{"id":305738,"date":"2020-02-07T06:00:04","date_gmt":"2020-02-07T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/whats-my-call\/"},"modified":"2020-02-07T06:00:04","modified_gmt":"2020-02-07T11:00:04","slug":"whats-my-call","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/whats-my-call\/","title":{"rendered":"What&#8217;s My Call?"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Larry and Gladine McCall talk about the special calling of grandparents. 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While grandparents can certainly bring the fun factor into grandchildren's lives, a grandparent's role is so much more.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2020-02-07.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>One of the key ways that we, as grandparents, can connect spiritually with our grandchildren is around prayer. Here\u2019s how Larry McCall does it with his grandkids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> We\u2019ll say: \u201cHow can I pray for you this week, sweetie?\u201d \u201cHow can I pray for you this week, buddy?\u201d They\u2019ll share things and we\u2019ll probe: \u201cLast week you said you weren\u2019t getting along with your sister, and we prayed about that. How\u2019s it been going? How would you like us to pray this week?\u201d We\u2019ll ask and then we\u2019ll pray <em>with<\/em> them, even if it\u2019s over the video call; that way they can <em>hear<\/em> us praying. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we\u2019ll ask them to pray for us. I\u2019ll share struggles on my heart, even with the grandchildren, and say, \u201cWould you pray for Papa this way or that way?\u201d It\u2019s sweet to hear them praying for Papa and Grandma.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, February 7<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019ll talk today about a variety of ways we can connect heart to heart and soul to soul with our grandchildren. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You guys set your date for Grand Camp yet for the kids? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s starting to stir in my mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was watching your wife while we were talking about this; and I was seeing her go, \u201cOh, I want to do this.\u201d We are talking about grandparenting this week, and we\u2019ve got Larry McCall and his wife Gladine joining us. Welcome guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> Thank you, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gladine:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Larry and Gladine live in Winona Lake, Indiana. Larry has\u2014you\u2019ve been a pastor there for 40 years?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> Almost\u201438.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow! Larry has written a book called <em>Grandparenting with Grace<\/em>. As you have entered into these years, you were asked to speak on it; and you said, \u201cI\u2019d better see what the Bible has to say about this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And that speaking has now turned into this book. It\u2019s been a good conversation for us to have because I think all of us enter into the grandparenting years without a good roadmap to follow as we look around and say, \u201cOkay, Lord, what\u2019s our assignment in these years?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, that\u2019s going to vary, as we\u2019ve already said, based on how your kids invite you in and welcome you in. But I think, as grandparents, we can be the initiators there to say, \u201cWe\u2019d like to do this,\u201d and see how our kids respond; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> Yes. When we taught that first grandparenting class in our church, I was amazed that <em>almost<\/em> all the grandparents in our church came to that class. It was <em>amazing<\/em> the percentage of grandparents who came\u2014which told me something\u2014there\u2019s a lot of grandparents who want to know how to be biblical grandparents\/how to be gospel-centered grandparents. It was encouraging to us to see the hunger. It\u2019s not that people don\u2019t care; it\u2019s that they\u2019ve never been trained\/they\u2019ve never been taught.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well you talk a lot in your book about being intentional as a grandparent. What are the baby steps to that? What are we being intentional about?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> I think the first thing, Ann, is to ask the question: \u201cWhat does God call me to as a grandparent?\u201d We get most of our cues about grandparenting from maybe the way our parents or our in-laws grand-parented <em>our<\/em> kids. Or maybe it was how our grandparents grand-parented us; and we think: \u201cI want to do it the way they did it,\u201d or \u201cI <em>don\u2019t<\/em> want to do it the way they did it.\u201d So it\u2019s just reacting to the way we\u2019ve been treated or other people in our family have been treated. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut to start with the question: \u201cWhat is God\u2019s calling on me as a grandparent?\u201d\u2014I think asking that question will launch us in a direction, and we can learn the steps as we go down that journey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> As you think about <em>your<\/em> grandparents, did they leave markers for you to follow? What are your most distinct memories about how your grandparents engaged with you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> I grew up in a commendable family, but my grandparents were not intentionally engaged with us grandkids. My maternal grandparents had twenty-some grandkids, and so I just got little bits and pieces of their time. They were hardworking, good people\/church-going people, probably believers, but I don\u2019t remember having any personal conversations with my grandparents.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Gladine, how about you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gladine:<\/strong> It was similar for me. It was a generation I think when children were meant to be seen and not heard, in some aspects. We were probably loved but there wasn\u2019t that one on one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019m thinking back to my grandparents, who\u2014I had two sets of living grandparents. One lived in Buffalo, New York; the other in Flint, Michigan. We were in St. Louis at the time. There was no FaceTime<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. We had long distance phone calls, occasionally, where I\u2019d get on and tell them what I was doing. They would say, \u201dWell, that sounds great\u201d; and that was my five minutes with my grandparents. My mom\u2019s parents would come at Christmas to see us; but I don\u2019t remember a whole lot of intentional coaching, training, or engagement with us. And maybe that was just a generational difference. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019re trying to flip it a little bit and say: \u201cFun and relationship\u2014yes, let\u2019s make that a part of it. Let\u2019s also be investing at a deeper level than just grandparents are here to have fun with the grandkids and spoil them.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> We <em>love<\/em> having fun with our grandkids; but I think, as Christian grandparents, we want to go <em>beyond<\/em> that; we want to keep eternity in view. We want to keep the souls of these grandkids in view. In addition to having all that fun, also influence them toward Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting listening to you, and even talking about this topic\u2014I haven\u2019t thought about this in decades\u2014my grandparents, Leland and Hallie Crouse\u2014I got to know them really well when I turned seven. My mom and dad got divorced. I didn\u2019t know at the time, but \u201cWhy did we move from New Jersey to Ohio?\u201d\u2014because that\u2019s where my mom\u2019s parents were; and now, it\u2019s the only stability in our life. I didn\u2019t even know my dad\u2019s parents; I don\u2019t even remember <em>meeting<\/em> them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> But my mom\u2019s parents, Leland and Hallie, were the security in my life. I can remember now\u2014I\u2019m getting emotional thinking about it\u2014every time we\u2019d drive out to their house, it was security: it was a mom and dad together. It was stability in the midst of a storm\u2014my little brother died of leukemia the same year. It reminds me of the <em>power<\/em> of a grandparent\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and influence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014and influence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> \u2014a legacy of life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I would have never known then that she was intentional, but she was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s interesting, too, because how we feel about our grandparents\u2014that can be determined sometimes by the parents. I had a set of grandparents that they were the special grandparents; and then there was another set\u2014and I think it was probably because my mom didn\u2019t like her mother-in-law as well\u2014but that kind of fed into me, unknowingly\u2014like I just thought, \u201cOh, I don\u2019t want to spend as much time with her,\u201d because there was an attitude about that home that wasn\u2019t as special. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, as parents, that\u2019s really important for us to speak <em>highly<\/em> of the grandparents. Even if you don\u2019t necessarily agree or love some of the things, you\u2019re still honoring them. I think that\u2019s an important attribute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> Yes; I think it goes the other direction too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> I think for grandparents, especially when they\u2019re with their grandkids, not to badmouth one of the kids or kids-in-law that they\u2019re not getting along with\u2014to be very careful to honor the parents in the eyes of their children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Great point.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Let me ask you this: \u201cAs a grandparent,\u201d\u2014I know a lot of us wonder this\u2014\u201chow do we still parent our kids?\u2014especially like when you\u2019re doing Grand Camp.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Are you still parenting your kids?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Well, here\u2019s what I mean\u2014like you see things in your grandkids that you <em>know<\/em> that you\u2019d love to speak something into their parents about how they\u2019re raising them, but you <em>can\u2019t<\/em> because they\u2019re now adults; but you see things. Talk about how you negotiate that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> Dave, that\u2019s not a hypothetical situation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> No; not at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> I think, as we\u2019re with our grandkids, we see things\u2014and we have a really good relationship with our kids and kids-in-law\u2014so even after this Grand Camp, sat down with our kids and just said\/asked, actually, \u201cWould you like to hear some observations we made during Grand Camp this week?\u201d We asked permission; we didn\u2019t just intrude and tell them. We asked permission: \u201cWould you like to hear?\u201d They said, \u201cYes.\u201d They value our input; they know we love their kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo we were able to point out certain strengths and certain weaknesses\u2014offered to help in any way we could. Those were some good conversations. The relationship is strong enough that it wasn\u2019t <em>too<\/em> awkward; we can talk about these things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What\u2019s an example of that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> I think one example, for instance, is one of the grandchildren I think really is struggling with how he sees himself\u2014you know: \u201cI\u2019m no good at this,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m no good at that.\u201d How do we deal with that? How can we team up with the parents? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGladine said the parents are the primary disciplers\u2014we believe that; we want to live that way\u2014but we can come alongside, as grandparents, and support the parents. But as they\u2019re wrestling with this: \u201cHow do we deal with our son\u201d\u2014their son\u2014\u201cwho\u2019s feeling his in-competencies\/who\u2019s feeling discouraged?\u2014\u2018I\u2019m not as good at this as somebody else.\u2019\u201d To come alongside them\u2014and be able to talk about that, and pray about it, and encourage him, but also encourage <em>them<\/em> as they seek to disciple their son through that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Now, if you were to ask them the question, \u201cAre you interested in our observations?\u201d and they say, \u201cWe\u2019re not really interested,\u201d what are you going to do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> Yes; I can\u2019t imagine that with our kids, but I\u2019m <em>sure<\/em> it happens. I think, if that were the case, I\u2019d want to honor that and not be overbearing. At the same time, that would increase our prayer life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Talk about your prayer life; and talk about praying for your grandkids and what structure you built in or what the rhythm of that looks like. Do you do that as God brings them to mind? Or have you set out an intentionality there as well?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> We do pray for our grandkids\u2019 salvation on a daily basis; we do that individually. When we pray together, we\u2019re praying for our grandkids and, also, we\u2019ll be talking <em>to<\/em> them about their relationship with God. But we\u2019re praying for their salvation; we pray for specific things in their lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have the privilege of interacting with our grandkids pretty regularly. I mean, several of them just live a mile away; and we see them once, twice, three times a week. We can talk with them: \u201cWhat\u2019s on your heart? How can we pray for you this week?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut even the kids that live in another state\u2014when we do the video call, we usually begin our call after the chitchat: \u201cHow you doing?\u201d \u201cHow\u2019d that go?\u201d \u201cHow\u2019d this go?\u201d\u2014we\u2019ll say: \u201cHow can I pray for you this week, sweetie?\u201d \u201cHow can I pray for you this week, buddy?\u201d They\u2019ll share things and we\u2019ll probe: \u201cLast week you said you weren\u2019t getting along with your sister, and we prayed about that. How\u2019s it been going? How would you like us to pray this week?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll ask and then we\u2019ll pray <em>with<\/em> them\u2014even if it\u2019s over the video call. That way they can <em>hear<\/em> us praying. And we\u2019ll ask them to pray for us. I\u2019ll share struggles on my heart, even with the grandchildren, and say, \u201cWould you pray for Papa this way or that way?\u201d It\u2019s sweet to hear them praying for Papa and Grandma.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh I love that\u2014of being intentional with praying\u2014letting them see you and you praying for them. That\u2019s <em>beautiful<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGladine, you have your Bible open. What do you have in mind?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gladine:<\/strong> Well, just one of the passages of Scripture that\u2019s been meaningful to me is in Psalm 145. It\u2019s the passage that talks about extolling the Lord, my God, the King. I think in the Scripture there\u2019s so much that can help us as grandparents. In verse 4 it says, \u201cOne generation will commend Your works to the next generation and to future generations.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou think: \u201cThat seems like a lot. I mean, what are we supposed to talk about with our grandchildren? How do we be intentional? What does that look like?\u201d And it\u2019s like right here in this psalm\u2014is a beautiful example of how we can do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt describes all the things that we can think about God: \u201cGreat is the Lord and most worthy of praise.\u201d We can share that with our grandkids: \u201cHis greatness no one can <em>fathom<\/em>.\u201d We can tell of His mighty acts; we can speak of the glorious splendor of his majesty. It goes on and on talking about these glorious aspects of God that we can specifically share with our grandkids. \u201cIn all your ways acknowledge Him,\u201d\u2014as we look at nature, as we experience things in life. It goes on describing, \u201cWho is God?\u201d\u2014\u201cHe\u2019s gracious; He\u2019s compassionate; He\u2019s slow to anger; and this is the God who wants to meet us in our daily lives.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen also in this passage you think: \u201cWell, how am I going to remember all these things? You know, this is a glorious passage of what to share with our grandkids; but how can I do that? I feel so inadequate. I\u2019m not smart enough; I\u2019m not strong enough to be able to bring all this up to mind.\u201d But it tells us here in the end of verse 5: \u201cI will meditate on your wonderful works.\u201d I think, as grandparents, the more we meditate on God and His glorious works and who He is\u2014and it\u2019s all through Scripture\u2014we have our job description; we have our curriculum\u2014if you want to call it that\u2014with our grandchildren. It\u2019s beautiful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It is beautiful. We were out with two of our grandkids in California last summer at a family camp. We\u2019ve gone out to Forest Home Family Camp for the last four years, and we had two of the grandkids with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Is it good?\u2014Forest Home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh, we had a great time; love going out there; yes. It was wonderful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re walking back to our cabin\u2014beautiful clear night\u2014and looking up at the stars. I could spot the Big Dipper. In fact, I stopped; said: \u201cSee that. There\u2019s the Big Dipper,\u201d and pointed out some stars. I said, \u201cDo you know what those stars are doing tonight?\u201d They said, \u201cNo.\u201d I said, \u201cThose stars are doing\u2014they\u2019re just shouting at us, \u2018How great is God!\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> That\u2019s good, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s really good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s Psalm 19: \u201cThe heavens declare the glory of God.\u201d And here you are in this beautiful spot\u2014this creation, where all around you the whole creation is screaming at God\u2019s glory. I looked up and said: \u201cThose stars, what they\u2019re doing tonight\u2014they\u2019re just shouting down, \u2018How great is God!\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo every night, as we\u2019re walking back up, we\u2019re looking at the stars: \u201cThey\u2019re doing it again tonight.\u201d \u201cLook, they\u2019re doing it again tonight.\u201d It\u2019s those kind of walk by the way moments, as a grandparent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I\u2019d thought before we got out to camp: \u201cLord, I want some times like that with my grandkids. I want to be\u2014I don\u2019t want to just go out and have fun, but I want to have some opportunities to make some spiritual deposits.\u201d I think, if you ask God for that and if you\u2019re meditating\u2014as you said Gladine\u2014on His Word, those things will just pop up as you walk along and you have an opportunity to talk about God\u2019s greatness to your grandkids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; and I think the meditation of our own hearts\u2014then it makes the grandparenting, or the parenting, or anything we do in life an <em>overflow<\/em>. It isn\u2019t like: \u201cOkay, I\u2019m a grandparent. I\u2019ve got the grandkids this week. I\u2019ve got to do \u2018A,\u2019 \u2018B,\u2019 \u2018C,\u2019\u201d and we make our checklist,\u201d\u2014although that\u2019s part of it, because you do have an intentional plan\u2014but at the other side, it\u2019s just an overflow: \u201cThis is what God\u2019s doing in me.\u201d I\u2019ve got these little ones around me; it just comes out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob, I don\u2019t think you probably put that in your plan before you got out there: \u201cWhen I walk [under] the sky I\u2019m going to look up\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> But you had prayed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> There it is; it\u2019s just an overflow of what God\u2019s doing in him; and now, it\u2019s a legacy going through generations.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, let\u2019s talk about legacy. I can\u2019t think about grandparenting without thinking about Psalm 78. And probably the reason for that is because of the number of times I heard Dennis Rainey, over and over again, take me to Psalm 78 and talk about: \u201cDeclaring both who God <em>is<\/em> and declaring His works.\u201d He said: \u201cYou have to teach them about what the Bible says about God; but also teach them about God\u2019s work in <em>your<\/em> life so that they don\u2019t just see that God is somebody who did things a long time ago, and it got in a book, and since then He\u2019s been on vacation. Talk about how God\u2019s at work in your life and your experience of God.\u201d He drilled that whole thing home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPsalm 78 says, if we do this, there\u2019s a generation of faithfulness that continues. If we don\u2019t do it, it\u2019s so easy for one generation to head off in the wrong direction and take a long detour.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> And Psalm 71, verse 18, says \u201cSo even to old age and gray hairs, O God, do not forsake me, until I proclaim Your might to another generation, Your power to all who will come.\u201d That should be a prayer in our hearts as older Christians: \u201cLord, don\u2019t let me pass away until I pass that baton of faith onto the next generation.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> For you all, you wanted to pass on what had been a legacy that was handed down to you. Not all parents are in that situation; in fact, some of them are trying to start a new legacy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That would be me and Ann; because my legacy was one of divorce and alcohol, and watching my mom and dad split up, when I was seven years old, and moving away with my single mom to Ohio and starting a new life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I become a father, first of all, I was just overwhelmed\u2014like, \u201cHow do I do this?\u201d Never saw this modeled in my house; but I <em>know<\/em>, from day one in our marriage, we had this visceral feeling about even the word, \u201clegacy\u201d: \u201cWe get a chance to change the Wilson name from adultery, and alcohol, and divorce to a godly legacy that can impact the world.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, as grandparents, you get to see: \u201cOkay, has God done this?\u201d because we prayed on our knees, constantly, for our kids\u2014who they would marry; and then, now, our grandkids and great grandkids. I remember getting a video from our middle son with our number-one grandchild, which is a little daughter, Olive, who is now four. This was probably a couple of years ago\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> She was two when Austin and Kendall sent this to us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; it was interesting\u2014when we helped them move in their house out near Denver\u2014I\u2019ve got it here in my phone\u2014one of the things that hangs in Olive\u2019s room\u2014I took a picture of it because I thought it was so beautiful. Her mom and dad put this up; it says: \u201cI am the daughter of a King who is not moved by the world. For my God is with me and goes before me. I do not fear because I am His.\u201d And the big words are \u201cI am His.\u201d I remember seeing that on her wall and just thinking, \u201cThe legacy is changing.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Again, it\u2019s not perfect; but it\u2019s just like: \u201cOh my goodness! That is something I <em>never<\/em> had\u2014I never had a thought like that when I was four years old that that\u2019s who I am.\u201d I\u2019m seeing my son and daughter-in-law instilling that down to the generation. Then they send us this little video of her singing <em>Jesus Loves Me<\/em>. I\u2019m the proud grandparent, saying: \u201cHey, you got to hear this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand watch it,\u201d because we\u2019ll put a link to watch it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u201cYou\u2019ve got to watch it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You can go to FamilyLifeToday.com to see Olive do this, but we\u2019ll let you hear her singing <em>Jesus Loves Me<\/em> right here because this really is special. Here it is. [Olive singing] [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> Yay!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> A big ending there for Olive. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Did you notice that musical? She added a tag.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> A little reprise there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She added a tag there. [Laughter] But I\u2019ve got to tell you\u2014when I got it\u2014it\u2019s cute; it\u2019s a little girl singing, but it\u2019s a legacy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> Amen. That warms your heart and encourages you; doesn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It was like, \u201cGod, You\u2019re doing something.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think for us, too, Dave and I wanted to have a marriage that glorified God\/that <em>reflected<\/em> Him. We had never seen that. My parents had been married a long time, but Jesus wasn\u2019t the foundation of their marriage. The model that we saw\u2014it was Dennis and Barbara Rainey\u2014and we thought: \u201cWe want to have that kind of legacy. We want to watch\/we want to model what they\u2019ve done, and their love,\u201d\u2014and it comes from their love for Jesus. For us to have our grandkids following Him\u2014man, there\u2019s no greater gift than seeing the future generations declaring His name.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> Amen. How precious.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gladine:<\/strong> \u201c\u2026no greater joy than our children walk in the truth.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Thank you guys for your work in this area\/for your book. Thanks for being here and talking about it on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We appreciate you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry:<\/strong> Thanks so much for having us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gladine:<\/strong> Yes; thank you for your ministry. We appreciate you all too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve got copies of Larry\u2019s book, <em>Grandparenting with Grace,<\/em> in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. In fact, let me just mention\u2014if you have thought about having a Grand Camp, we\u2019ve had guests on who have explored this idea and had ideas about it. You can go to our website at FamilyLifeToday.com; there are links to podcasts and other resources that will help flesh this idea out for you\u2014give you some practical suggestions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd of course, you can get a copy of Larry McCall\u2019s book, <em>Grandparenting with Grace<\/em>. Order it from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get your copy. Again, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to order the book, <em>Grandparenting with Grace<\/em>. Call 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, this weekend\u2019s a big weekend for us, here at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, because we are kicking off our spring season of <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways. Our first event happens this weekend and then events will continue throughout the spring in cities all across the country. I think we\u2019ve got five dozen events happening this spring. David Robbins, who is the president of FamilyLife, is here with us. These events are routinely transformational events in the lives of couples who come.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> I mean, I get excited and geared up for the start of this spring season because I know it begins this trickle of every Sunday night when I get emails from people sharing the stories of transformation that have happened in their lives. Whether you\u2019re at a place, where you just want time together, and a tune-up, and things are well\u2014or whether you\u2019re at a place that you really need some intervention and some processing time\u2014what is <em>amazing<\/em> about <em>Weekends to Remember<\/em> is that you get time together over the timeless truth in God\u2019s Word. It just opens up conversations and levels of intimacy for couples, time and time again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m going to be speaking at the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> in Orlando in April. You and Meg are speaking this spring; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s right; we\u2019re in Austin in June.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Alright! So listeners who would like to join us at either of those events can find the information online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Or just look for a location near you. Whether it\u2019s the Robbins, or the Lepines, or the Wilsons\u2014whoever it is\u2014you\u2019re going to have a <em>great<\/em> time together at one of our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> getaways. Get more information online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Do us a favor: just pray for the couples who will be meeting this weekend in Napa, California\u2014that God would meet with them during their time together this weekend. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope <em>you<\/em> have a great weekend. I hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend; and then join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk to a pastor who wants to help young adults step into the responsibilities that go along with adulthood. He\u2019s written a book called <em>Welcome to Adulting<\/em>. We\u2019ll talk to JP Pokluda on Monday. 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