{"id":305699,"date":"2020-01-22T06:00:04","date_gmt":"2020-01-22T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/why-marriage-is-good\/"},"modified":"2020-01-22T06:00:04","modified_gmt":"2020-01-22T11:00:04","slug":"why-marriage-is-good","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/why-marriage-is-good\/","title":{"rendered":"Why Marriage Is Good"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Cohabitation has become a cultural norm. But is it really equal to marriage? 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Curt Hamner says we need to understand why that is the conventional thinking in our day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Curt: <\/strong>You have to be compassionate towards folks that are moving into this idea of cohabitation. I mean, they look at divorce, and they think they know what caused it\u2014and it\u2019s marriage\u2014so they want to stay away from that. The pain is so deep; and the culture is saying, \u201cNo, there\u2019s freedom to do it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll we\u2019re saying is: \u201cThink about it before you do it. There\u2019s far more that we want you to understand about what marriage is.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, January 22<sup>nd<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You\u2019ll find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. How can we have a conversation with people about the glory, and the beauty, and the majesty of marriage as God designed it when they are preconditioned toward cohabitation? We\u2019re going to talk more about that today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Wednesday edition. I have a story I want to tell you about a conversation related to cohabitation, but I first want to make sure our listeners know they just have a few days left if they want to take advantage of the special offer we\u2019re making for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners to attend an upcoming <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaway for couples and save 50 percent off the regular registration fee. This week is your last chance to sign up for a getaway and take advantage of the savings. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, to find out when a getaway is coming to a city near you or to a city you\u2019d like to visit this spring. Find a weekend that works for you, then you and your spouse head off for a fun, romantic, relaxing getaway weekend, where you will together learn more about God\u2019s design for marriage and how your marriage can be the marriage that God intends for it to be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tInformation about the getaway is available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com; if you have any questions or if you\u2019d like to register by phone, call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Just make sure you get in touch with us this week so you can save 50 percent off the regular registration fee and take advantage of this special offer. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY and join us at an upcoming <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I was sitting down with a friend of mine just last week, and he said, \u201cI need your help.\u201d He said: \u201cI\u2019m going to be having a conversation with a guy. He\u2019s actually the drummer in our worship band at church; and he and his girlfriend are living together. He doesn\u2019t see anything wrong with that. In fact, he says, \u2018I don\u2019t think you can prove to me from the Bible that there\u2019s anything wrong with us living together.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought to myself, \u201cWe\u2019re in a whole new world, when the drummer in the worship band, going to church, doesn\u2019t think that there\u2019s anything wrong with living with your girlfriend before you get married.\u201d That would have been so unusual 50 years ago\/100 years ago, but today it\u2019s more commonplace than we realize. We\u2019re trying to address, not that specific issue, but the bigger issues of: \u201cWhat does God have to say about marriage?\u201d as we\u2019re talking this week with Curt Hamner and John Trent. Guys, welcome back to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Curt: <\/strong>Thank you!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>It\u2019s great to be with you guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Dave, you and Ann have dealt with these kinds of questions and issues with people in your church, who are going, \u201cYes, we don\u2019t think about marriage from a biblical viewpoint.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; I\u2019m smiling, because I\u2019m the bass player in that band; [Laughter] and I know this drummer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Really.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Different church, obviously, but the same conversations. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMost of us are being discipled today by the culture. I mean, it\u2019s always been true; but I think, in some ways, it\u2019s so heightened with social media\u2014it\u2019s every day; it\u2019s right in front of you. It\u2019s like: \u201cThis is how I think. This is my theology. I don\u2019t really know; I\u2019m immersed in it\u201d; so then I come and hear a different theology, which I think is a <em>new<\/em> theology; and it\u2019s as old as <em>time<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to ask\u2014we have the experts, sitting right here\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, and let me explain why they\u2019re\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014what do you say to this guy?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Let me explain why they\u2019re the experts. Curt Hamner and John Trent have been working for a couple of years on a project that has now culminated in a book called <em>Marriage: Its Foundation, Theology, and Mission in a Changing World<\/em>. You guys have gathered theologians, practitioners\u2014experts on marriage and family\u2014and had them address the foundational questions: \u201cWhat is God\u2019s plan for marriage?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2019s His purpose for marriage?\u201d \u201cWhy does marriage exist?\u201d \u201cHow do we glorify Him in our marriage?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn putting this book together, you\u2019ve taken those questions, head-on. They show up in the culture in the kind of thing that we\u2019re talking about\u2014right?\u2014where somebody grows up in the church, meets somebody\u2014because of all the movies they\u2019ve seen, or because of what they\u2019ve watched their friends do, or because they watched their parents get married and get divorced\u2014they say, \u201cWe don\u2019t want to do that.\u201d They say: \u201cWell, let\u2019s just do a trial run; there can\u2019t be anything wrong with that. As long as we love each other\u201d or \u201cWe\u2019re planning to get married, then it\u2019s okay for us to do this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYour book\u2014I don\u2019t know to the extent that you address that specifically, but you\u2019re getting at all these kinds of issues by saying, \u201cWe have to think, biblically, about marriage.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Yes, and you know, you think back all the way to Isaiah, Chapter 40. These people are struggling; and they\u2019re saying, you know: \u201cIs there really an answer?\u201d \u201cGod, can You see what\u2019s going on?\u201d and \u201cThe justice due me escapes the notice of my God.\u201d That\u2019s really what we\u2019ve done a lot\u2014is just forgotten. We think God can\u2019t see us; or He\u2019s not stepping in to act, because, \u201cLook at all the injustice in the world\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen it goes to a rhetorical question\u2014He says, \u201cDo you not know? Have you\u00a0 not heard?\u201d What used to be rhetorical; meaning, it used to be that we had lines in the bottom of the pool; now, there are no lines in the bottom of the pool.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, for a lot of people\u2014I mean, you hate to say it; but that drummer in the band: \u201cI mean, it\u2019s not in the culture.\u201d He doesn\u2019t realize that\u2014that, \u201cWait a minute; you have to go back to God\u2019s Word and look and see, \u2018What is it that really is foundational?\u2019 God\u2019s Word hasn\u2019t changed.\u201d So boy, this is what\u2019s really fun\u2014is to get to jump in on this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Curt, we had a guest on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> a number of years ago. I\u2019ll never forget this young couple, because they told this story\u2014they said: \u201cWe met on a missions trip. We were both out of high school; we were on an extended missions trip.\u201d They said: \u201cBoth of us were kind of the outcasts from the group, so we ended up together. The hormones took over; and by the end of the missions trip, we had been having sex together. So we get back home.\u201d He said, \u201cI said to her, \u2018Do you want to move in?\u2019\u201d So she said, \u201cYes.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey move into his parents\u2019 house. This has been going on for awhile, and they\u2019re going to church. One day, he says they were asking for volunteers to help with the kids program. He said, \u201cI went to the pastor and said, \u2018You know, we\u2019d be happy to help with the kids program.\u2019\u201d The pastor said, \u201cWell, you know, that\u2019s not going to work; because you guys aren\u2019t married, and we don\u2019t think you should be living together before you get married.\u201d He said to me, \u201cThat\u2019s the first time I\u2019d ever heard anybody say that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So I thought, \u201cHuh.\u201d He said, \u201cWe wound up going to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway; and at the getaway, we go to the engaged workshop.\u201d At the engaged workshop, we say, \u201cYou know, we believe that you shouldn\u2019t be having sex outside of marriage; that you should save sex for marriage.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said: \u201cIt dawned on me, \u2018They\u2019re right! We shouldn\u2019t be having sex outside of marriage.\u2019\u201d He said, \u201cI went to my girlfriend\u2014we were engaged; we were going to get married three months later\u2014I said, \u2018I don\u2019t think we should have sex anymore until we\u2019re married.\u2019\u201d He said, \u201cShe <em>thought<\/em> I was breaking up with her; and she was afraid, if we quit having sex, \u2018He\u2019s going to leave me.\u2019 So, what she\u2019s hearing me say is, \u2018I want to break up with you.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut that wasn\u2019t what he was saying at all. He was saying, \u201cI want to do it God\u2019s way!\u201d They worked it out; she began to trust that that was okay. They quit having sex prior to marriage; and now, on their honeymoon, they come together. But this was because nobody had ever told them, \u201cGod has a plan for marriage and family,\u201d even though they were in the church!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Well, I think\u2014I mean, that was my story as well. I didn\u2019t grow up in the church, and I had <em>heard<\/em> somewhere out there that God doesn\u2019t want you to have premarital sex. I thought, \u201cThat\u2019s the dumbest thing I\u2019ve ever heard.\u201d I thought: \u201cThat\u2019s ridiculous. That must be the 1800s,\u201d whatever. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember giving my life to Christ, wanting to obey; and then I\u2019m searching the Scriptures. I\u2019m thinking, \u201cWhere is it?\u201d I remember going into a Christian bookstore, all by myself, looking for a book but too embarrassed\u2014because I was only 16 years old\u2014to ask the lady: \u201cIs it okay if I have premarital sex?\u201d and \u201cWhat is premarital sex?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was back 35 years ago, so even more confusing today. How do we address that today?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Curt:<\/strong> Yes; I do think, you know, you asked the question: \u201cHow do we help people to <em>think<\/em> theologically?\u201d I think it begins with: \u201cHow do we help people to think?\u201d The average couple, who move in together\u2014cohabitation\u2014it\u2019s not a thought process; it\u2019s convenience. It is the idea that says: \u201cHey, listen; I\u2019m staying late at your house. I think I\u2019m just going to stay over.\u201d Then the next time, I\u2019m staying late: \u201cYou know what? I\u2019m going to bring a change of clothes,\u201d until finally, it\u2019s just easier.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014and it can become financial.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Curt: <\/strong>It is often financial. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll we\u2019re saying is, \u201cThink about it before you do it.\u201d You have to be compassionate towards folks that are moving into this idea of cohabitation. They look at divorce and they think they know what caused it\u2014and it\u2019s marriage\u2014so they want to stay away from that. The pain is so deep; and the culture is saying, \u201cNo, there\u2019s freedom to do it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had a couple that stayed at the bed and breakfast, that we ran a number of years ago, that had a focus on marriage ministry connected to it. Couples would come\/they would stay at the bed and breakfast; we\u2019d have four conversations about marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne night, as this couple checked in, Rhonda said, \u201cHey, I think they have different last names,\u201d which is not that unusual; but she said, \u201cI don\u2019t think they\u2019re married.\u201d So we said, \u201cOkay, we have to talk to them.\u201d After the meeting was over, I go up to their room and I knock on the door. I go, \u201cHey, it appears to me that you guys aren\u2019t married.\u201d They said, \u201cNo, is that a problem?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe said, \u201cWell, let me explain to you.\u201d We kind of talked to them about a Christian view of marriage\/a theology of marriage, just short and brief, and said: \u201cBy the way, we have an extra room that we could allow one of you to participate in the conference; and both of you can participate by staying in separate rooms. Why don\u2019t you think about it and talk about it; then come back and tell us.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe next morning, they came down. Eventually, we had a conversation with them, thinking through, in a conversational setting\/a safe setting, to be able to get to the place\u2014that they weren\u2019t ready to stop living together\u2014but they were ready to honor; so that night, they said, \u201cHey guys, we\u2019re going to take the separate rooms.\u201d We said, \u201cThat\u2019s great, because what we\u2019ll do is\u2014we\u2019ll honor that when you come back after you\u2019re married and give you a free weekend.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey left; they got married; came back. Again, it was the idea of helping them to think about it by conversation. Instead of just mandating everything, we had a conversation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, if you\u2019re sitting down with somebody today\u2014who\u2019s like the drummer in the worship band; or the young couple, who\u2019ve never heard this before and they say, like Ann said: \u201cThis is the dumbest thing I ever heard of. Why should we wait to have sex?\u201d\u2014what\u2019s your answer?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>I think the question, \u201cWhy should we wait to have sex?\u201d is: \u201cWhat and why do you want to have sex? Is it just that you\u2019re compelled by your instincts\/by your physical desire? Is it just the idea of being able to <em>physically<\/em> be involved with each other? Do you have any understanding that sex is <em>far more<\/em> than just a physical act?\u2014the bonding that happens, physiologically, between a man and a woman in sex.\u201d To help someone to think through it\/have a conversation, where it\u2019s safe enough to help them to walk through that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlso the idea that says: \u201cHey, listen; we\u2019re not telling you to wait to get married so that you can have sex. Marriage is <em>far<\/em> <em>more<\/em> than just legalizing and legitimizing sex. There\u2019s far more that we want you to understand about what marriage is.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Well, and maybe now, in the band, you have same-sex marriages or same-sex attraction. You guys dealt with everything in the book. You really tackled all the issues. How do we address that, as a church?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>You know, just to go back for just a second to that question\u2014you know, that couple comes up to you that\u2019s a same-sex couple, or they\u2019re cohabiting, or they\u2019re just not where you\u2019re at\u2014it\u2019s interesting, but Shakespeare has one of his characters in <em>King Lear<\/em> say, \u201cHe laughs at scars who, himself, never bore a wound.\u201d There\u2019s a sense in which all of us\u2014man, when we realize our brokenness, that\u2019s, as Curt said, that\u2019s what <em>drives<\/em> us to be compassionate. That\u2019s what helps us say, \u201cWell, Lord, You have healed that in me, so now let me be compassionate with this person.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI grew up in a single-parent home. Let me tell you\u2014there were people that just looked at my mom\/a single parent like a pariah. But boy, when you realize\u2014I mean, she was a <em>wonderful<\/em> person. She made some really not-great decisions before she came to know Jesus, but guess what? She came to know Jesus; and through that, it was really through love, not through judgment. I do think that\u2019s one great thing we get to do\u2014is we get to live out God\u2019s love; and that includes just patience, and love, and encouragement.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I remember sitting with a couple, 25 years ago\u2014our church is 30 years old, so it was in the first 5 years. I was going to do their wedding; didn\u2019t know them. A friend of mine calls me up\u2014this was before cell phones\u2014\u201cHey, you know, you\u2019re doing Scott and Jessica\u2019s wedding; right?\u201d I go: \u201cYes, some couple; I got their name. I don\u2019t know anything about it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe goes, \u201cYou know, they\u2019re living together. I know the policy at your church is\u2014you know: \u201cOur church is this...\u201d He goes, \u201cI\u2019m going to talk to them.\u201d I go, \u201cNo you\u2019re not; I am.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That\u2019s not something somebody else\u2014so they came in, and\u2014loved this couple. They were just the sweetest thing ever. They had <em>never<\/em> heard theology about marriage. I remember loving them\u2014feeling compassion for them\/no judgment\u2014just say, \u201cHey, let me\u2026\u201d\u2014truth and grace; I gave them the truth and the grace. I looked at them; I said: \u201cSo today\u2019s a line in the sand. I\u2019m asking you to really make a hard decision, and I\u2019m going to love you whatever you do; but I\u2019m asking you to really consider doing it God\u2019s way.\u201d They said, \u201cOkay; we\u2019ll think about it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis couple called me that night and said, \u201cOkay, we moved out.\u201d I did their wedding a few months later, or maybe it was six months later. I\u2019ll never forget\u2014two or three years later, I get this call. They say: \u201cHey, we\u2019re having our first child. We\u2019re naming him after you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Curt: <\/strong>Oh, wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I\u2019m like, \u201cWe don\u2019t know each other that well!\u201d They said: \u201cYou were the first person that ever spoke the truth, and you loved us as you spoke it. It changed our life; we want our son to be named after you.\u201d I was teary. Now, that boy\u2019s 20-something years old, you know; it\u2019s just really cool to think how God works.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Dave, I would really hope that, as a pastor for 25 years, and other pastors that are listening to that\u2014that it\u2019s an exhortation that says: \u201cNot only do we teach a theology of marriage, but we <em>live<\/em> it in our own marriage,\u201d and \u201cWe live it as we work with couples, and that we make sure that weddings are welcome at our church, and that couples come to our church to get married, and that the theology of marriage is expressed in that wedding ceremony as well.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes. I can tell\u2014the way you\u2019re talking, there\u2019s a real sense of a spirit of compassion. I can tell by the way you\u2019re talking about these conversations with people that there\u2019s compassion. Talk about that a little bit, because\u2014you know, in our churches, sitting in the pews, are couples living together\u2014same-sex attracted, maybe even married gay couples or homosexual couples\u2014they\u2019re actually married now in the state or by the state\u2014they\u2019re sitting there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf they would come to you and say\u2014you know, because you\u2019re theologians but you\u2019re practitioners\u2014and now, they want a little of both; but they\u2019re coming to you, saying: \u201cI need to understand why you\u2019re taking these positions on my life. I feel like I\u2019m making choices that I think are God-honoring\u201d; right? I\u2019ve had these conversations. How do you talk to these couples, and how do they feel?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What does truth and grace look like in that moment?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>I think part of it is it always comes back to the question of: \u201cWhat is the marriage that you\u2019re staying away from?\u201d If you are a same-sex couple, and you\u2019re moving towards marriage or you are married, \u201cWhat is marriage?\u201d Again, asking them to think through it a little bit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Christian church is not the only one that\u2019s been infiltrated by the culture. There is an agenda in the culture that is changing our thinking, as a culture at large. We\u2019ve said that there\u2019s been common Christian values for many, many decades; and that\u2019s changed over the last half century. So how do we get people to engage with that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, it has to begin by conversation that engages thinking. We\u2019ve got to get to that place; and it has to be that heart of compassion that says: \u201cNo, I get it. I understand the brokenness that would take us there.\u201d But it\u2019s <em>not<\/em> the sense that we stop at our brokenness. We have <em>valued<\/em> the idea of brokenness to the place that we never get to redemption. The idea of this is that the brokenness is\u2014not just aligning yourself with others, who are broken\u2014it is aligning yourself with the One, who can bring healing to you. It really is Jesus. I mean, that is the whole idea\u2014that the marriage relationship in the New Testament talks about Christ as the Husband giving His life for the bride, the church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We\u2019re back to kind of where we started. Curt, talk about the idea of the \u201choly echo\u201d and that concept; because that\u2019s foundational to what you\u2019re talking about, not just in this issue, but all throughout the book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Curt: <\/strong>It really is that sense of the \u201choly echo.\u201d I see that as we look at it in Genesis, when we talk about the <em>imago Dei<\/em>, the image of God, in both a marriage relationship as well as within the church\u2014the sense of God as a God of relationship; a God of love, revealing Himself through the marriage relationship\u2014again, back to that idea of passion, commitment, and intimacy. Those are the values of love in the church as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it also is a very echoing kind of sense when we look at the relationship between Christ, the Bridegroom, and His church, the bride. Christ gives Himself. He becomes vulnerable to the point of death, sacrificing Himself, for His bride\/for the church\u2014for us as individuals. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow does the church respond to that?\u2014what is the call of Christ on our lives? It is to what? \u201cDeny ourselves, pick up our cross, and follow Him.\u201d We echo, as husbands love our wives sacrificially, to the place of death. That\u2019s not just a physical death; but that\u2019s the death of my ego, that I will serve my wife in a way that is like Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it is also the call to the wife that says, \u201cI will be like the church, like the Christian is to live before Christ\u201d; and that is the idea that I\u2019ll deny myself. That sense of mutual vulnerability really brings us to the place of where real unity happens; that\u2019s intimacy. When we are <em>vulnerable<\/em> together, that\u2019s intimacy\u2014that\u2019s marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; I <em>love<\/em> the idea that the Scriptures are the call of God for all of us, and our response is the echo back. When we live out God\u2019s call, we are that response echo that the world can hear and see, not just the original call, but then they hear the echo back; and there\u2019s something grand and glorious about the call and response, the voice and the echo.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think you guys have captured so much of that in this book. This is a gift to all of us, for you to have gathered the different names. You talked about some of the people who were involved in this\u2014Juli Slattery was involved, Darryl Bach was involved in this, Craig Blomberg, Greg Allison\u2014I mean, the name, Sean McDowell\u2019s, involved in this, Brett McCracken, Mike Mason, Crawford Loritts. This is just a <em>great<\/em> gift to have assembled all of these people to write on this subject and give us a foundation for marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re grateful for your work; grateful for you being here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Curt: <\/strong>Thank you!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Thanks for having us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We have copies of the book, <em>Marriage: Its Foundation, Theology, and Mission in a Changing World<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. Hope you\u2019ll go online to find out how you can get a copy and use this with your small group, or go through it together as a couple. You can order the book from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com. The number to call to order the book, <em>Marriage: Its Foundation, Theology, and Mission in a Changing World<\/em>\u2014the number is 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just say\u2014the theological foundation for marriage that we\u2019ve talked about this week\u2014when you come to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway, that\u2019s a part of what you come away with. Whether you\u2019re new to the faith or whether you\u2019ve been going to church for years, people come away with a better, more biblical understanding of marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have the president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, David Robbins, here with us. David, I talked one time to a guy\u2014he said: \u201cMy wife and I had been leading the youth group at church for ten years, but our marriage was a mess. We came to the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>; and we walked away, saying, \u2018How come nobody ever told us this is in the Bible?\u2019\u201d [Laughter] It was a revelation for them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>That is why I want to challenge everyone to carve time away and to get away with your spouse\u2014come and sit under amazing teaching and sit under what God\u2019s design for marriage and family is\u2014because such amazing transformation happens in that place, no matter where you are in your spiritual journey or even in seasons of life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI got some comments from people who went recently to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>. They\u2019ve been married at all different stages; one of them for one year, one of them for sixteen years, one of them for twenty-nine years. They said things like, \u201cThere\u2019s going to be no more absent husband for me; I will be there for my gift of God, my wife.\u201d Someone else said: \u201cIt reminded us that our marriage is too important for us to do on our own. We need God at the center.\u201d This last one said: \u201cIt\u2019s even better the second time around. We put our guard down and truly opened up to communicate like never before; totally life-changing.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what happens when we sit under God\u2019s authority and apply it, practically, to our lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You talk about seasons of life. You and Meg have four kids. For you to do a weekend like this\u2014it takes some planning and some orchestration, and it can be a hassle. You think, \u201cOh, I just don\u2019t want a hassle with it.\u201d But after you do it, you go, \u201cThat was so worth it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>Well, we did it about a year ago; and obviously, we\u2019ve been before, but I\u2019m telling you\u2014it took until about Saturday morning at 11 a.m., but oh my goodness, something just kind of opened up. It ministered to us in a place that we <em>really<\/em> needed in this season of life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, again, if you want to take advantage of the special offer we\u2019re making this week for <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>listeners\u2014save 50 percent off the regular registration fee for an upcoming <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway\u2014go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com. Find out when a getaway is coming to a city near where you live or a city you\u2019d like to visit this spring. Register online; or if you have any questions, call us at 1-800-FL-TODAY. You can also register by phone. Plan to join us for one of our upcoming getaways; and again, save 50 percent off the regular registration fee by signing up this week.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you can be back with us again tomorrow. We\u2019re going to talk with a couple who had their marriage go off-course at one point, and they\u2019re now helping other couples figure out how to keep their marriage on-course rather than having it drift. You\u2019ll meet Clint and Penny Bragg tomorrow, and I hope you can join us back for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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There\u2019s far more that we want you to understand about what marriage is.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, January 22<sup>nd<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You\u2019ll find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. How can we have a conversation with people about the glory, and the beauty, and the majesty of marriage as God designed it when they are preconditioned toward cohabitation? We\u2019re going to talk more about that today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Wednesday edition. I have a story I want to tell you about a conversation related to cohabitation, but I first want to make sure our listeners know they just have a few days left if they want to take advantage of the special offer we\u2019re making for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners to attend an upcoming <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaway for couples and save 50 percent off the regular registration fee. This week is your last chance to sign up for a getaway and take advantage of the savings. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, to find out when a getaway is coming to a city near you or to a city you\u2019d like to visit this spring. Find a weekend that works for you, then you and your spouse head off for a fun, romantic, relaxing getaway weekend, where you will together learn more about God\u2019s design for marriage and how your marriage can be the marriage that God intends for it to be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tInformation about the getaway is available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com; if you have any questions or if you\u2019d like to register by phone, call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Just make sure you get in touch with us this week so you can save 50 percent off the regular registration fee and take advantage of this special offer. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY and join us at an upcoming <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I was sitting down with a friend of mine just last week, and he said, \u201cI need your help.\u201d He said: \u201cI\u2019m going to be having a conversation with a guy. He\u2019s actually the drummer in our worship band at church; and he and his girlfriend are living together. He doesn\u2019t see anything wrong with that. In fact, he says, \u2018I don\u2019t think you can prove to me from the Bible that there\u2019s anything wrong with us living together.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought to myself, \u201cWe\u2019re in a whole new world, when the drummer in the worship band, going to church, doesn\u2019t think that there\u2019s anything wrong with living with your girlfriend before you get married.\u201d That would have been so unusual 50 years ago\/100 years ago, but today it\u2019s more commonplace than we realize. We\u2019re trying to address, not that specific issue, but the bigger issues of: \u201cWhat does God have to say about marriage?\u201d as we\u2019re talking this week with Curt Hamner and John Trent. Guys, welcome back to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Curt: <\/strong>Thank you!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>It\u2019s great to be with you guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Dave, you and Ann have dealt with these kinds of questions and issues with people in your church, who are going, \u201cYes, we don\u2019t think about marriage from a biblical viewpoint.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; I\u2019m smiling, because I\u2019m the bass player in that band; [Laughter] and I know this drummer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Really.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Different church, obviously, but the same conversations. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMost of us are being discipled today by the culture. I mean, it\u2019s always been true; but I think, in some ways, it\u2019s so heightened with social media\u2014it\u2019s every day; it\u2019s right in front of you. It\u2019s like: \u201cThis is how I think. This is my theology. I don\u2019t really know; I\u2019m immersed in it\u201d; so then I come and hear a different theology, which I think is a <em>new<\/em> theology; and it\u2019s as old as <em>time<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to ask\u2014we have the experts, sitting right here\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, and let me explain why they\u2019re\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014what do you say to this guy?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Let me explain why they\u2019re the experts. Curt Hamner and John Trent have been working for a couple of years on a project that has now culminated in a book called <em>Marriage: Its Foundation, Theology, and Mission in a Changing World<\/em>. You guys have gathered theologians, practitioners\u2014experts on marriage and family\u2014and had them address the foundational questions: \u201cWhat is God\u2019s plan for marriage?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2019s His purpose for marriage?\u201d \u201cWhy does marriage exist?\u201d \u201cHow do we glorify Him in our marriage?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn putting this book together, you\u2019ve taken those questions, head-on. They show up in the culture in the kind of thing that we\u2019re talking about\u2014right?\u2014where somebody grows up in the church, meets somebody\u2014because of all the movies they\u2019ve seen, or because of what they\u2019ve watched their friends do, or because they watched their parents get married and get divorced\u2014they say, \u201cWe don\u2019t want to do that.\u201d They say: \u201cWell, let\u2019s just do a trial run; there can\u2019t be anything wrong with that. As long as we love each other\u201d or \u201cWe\u2019re planning to get married, then it\u2019s okay for us to do this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYour book\u2014I don\u2019t know to the extent that you address that specifically, but you\u2019re getting at all these kinds of issues by saying, \u201cWe have to think, biblically, about marriage.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Yes, and you know, you think back all the way to Isaiah, Chapter 40. These people are struggling; and they\u2019re saying, you know: \u201cIs there really an answer?\u201d \u201cGod, can You see what\u2019s going on?\u201d and \u201cThe justice due me escapes the notice of my God.\u201d That\u2019s really what we\u2019ve done a lot\u2014is just forgotten. We think God can\u2019t see us; or He\u2019s not stepping in to act, because, \u201cLook at all the injustice in the world\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen it goes to a rhetorical question\u2014He says, \u201cDo you not know? Have you\u00a0 not heard?\u201d What used to be rhetorical; meaning, it used to be that we had lines in the bottom of the pool; now, there are no lines in the bottom of the pool.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, for a lot of people\u2014I mean, you hate to say it; but that drummer in the band: \u201cI mean, it\u2019s not in the culture.\u201d He doesn\u2019t realize that\u2014that, \u201cWait a minute; you have to go back to God\u2019s Word and look and see, \u2018What is it that really is foundational?\u2019 God\u2019s Word hasn\u2019t changed.\u201d So boy, this is what\u2019s really fun\u2014is to get to jump in on this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Curt, we had a guest on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> a number of years ago. I\u2019ll never forget this young couple, because they told this story\u2014they said: \u201cWe met on a missions trip. We were both out of high school; we were on an extended missions trip.\u201d They said: \u201cBoth of us were kind of the outcasts from the group, so we ended up together. The hormones took over; and by the end of the missions trip, we had been having sex together. So we get back home.\u201d He said, \u201cI said to her, \u2018Do you want to move in?\u2019\u201d So she said, \u201cYes.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey move into his parents\u2019 house. This has been going on for awhile, and they\u2019re going to church. One day, he says they were asking for volunteers to help with the kids program. He said, \u201cI went to the pastor and said, \u2018You know, we\u2019d be happy to help with the kids program.\u2019\u201d The pastor said, \u201cWell, you know, that\u2019s not going to work; because you guys aren\u2019t married, and we don\u2019t think you should be living together before you get married.\u201d He said to me, \u201cThat\u2019s the first time I\u2019d ever heard anybody say that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So I thought, \u201cHuh.\u201d He said, \u201cWe wound up going to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway; and at the getaway, we go to the engaged workshop.\u201d At the engaged workshop, we say, \u201cYou know, we believe that you shouldn\u2019t be having sex outside of marriage; that you should save sex for marriage.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said: \u201cIt dawned on me, \u2018They\u2019re right! We shouldn\u2019t be having sex outside of marriage.\u2019\u201d He said, \u201cI went to my girlfriend\u2014we were engaged; we were going to get married three months later\u2014I said, \u2018I don\u2019t think we should have sex anymore until we\u2019re married.\u2019\u201d He said, \u201cShe <em>thought<\/em> I was breaking up with her; and she was afraid, if we quit having sex, \u2018He\u2019s going to leave me.\u2019 So, what she\u2019s hearing me say is, \u2018I want to break up with you.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut that wasn\u2019t what he was saying at all. He was saying, \u201cI want to do it God\u2019s way!\u201d They worked it out; she began to trust that that was okay. They quit having sex prior to marriage; and now, on their honeymoon, they come together. But this was because nobody had ever told them, \u201cGod has a plan for marriage and family,\u201d even though they were in the church!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Well, I think\u2014I mean, that was my story as well. I didn\u2019t grow up in the church, and I had <em>heard<\/em> somewhere out there that God doesn\u2019t want you to have premarital sex. I thought, \u201cThat\u2019s the dumbest thing I\u2019ve ever heard.\u201d I thought: \u201cThat\u2019s ridiculous. That must be the 1800s,\u201d whatever. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember giving my life to Christ, wanting to obey; and then I\u2019m searching the Scriptures. I\u2019m thinking, \u201cWhere is it?\u201d I remember going into a Christian bookstore, all by myself, looking for a book but too embarrassed\u2014because I was only 16 years old\u2014to ask the lady: \u201cIs it okay if I have premarital sex?\u201d and \u201cWhat is premarital sex?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was back 35 years ago, so even more confusing today. How do we address that today?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Curt:<\/strong> Yes; I do think, you know, you asked the question: \u201cHow do we help people to <em>think<\/em> theologically?\u201d I think it begins with: \u201cHow do we help people to think?\u201d The average couple, who move in together\u2014cohabitation\u2014it\u2019s not a thought process; it\u2019s convenience. It is the idea that says: \u201cHey, listen; I\u2019m staying late at your house. I think I\u2019m just going to stay over.\u201d Then the next time, I\u2019m staying late: \u201cYou know what? I\u2019m going to bring a change of clothes,\u201d until finally, it\u2019s just easier.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014and it can become financial.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Curt: <\/strong>It is often financial. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll we\u2019re saying is, \u201cThink about it before you do it.\u201d You have to be compassionate towards folks that are moving into this idea of cohabitation. They look at divorce and they think they know what caused it\u2014and it\u2019s marriage\u2014so they want to stay away from that. The pain is so deep; and the culture is saying, \u201cNo, there\u2019s freedom to do it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had a couple that stayed at the bed and breakfast, that we ran a number of years ago, that had a focus on marriage ministry connected to it. Couples would come\/they would stay at the bed and breakfast; we\u2019d have four conversations about marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne night, as this couple checked in, Rhonda said, \u201cHey, I think they have different last names,\u201d which is not that unusual; but she said, \u201cI don\u2019t think they\u2019re married.\u201d So we said, \u201cOkay, we have to talk to them.\u201d After the meeting was over, I go up to their room and I knock on the door. I go, \u201cHey, it appears to me that you guys aren\u2019t married.\u201d They said, \u201cNo, is that a problem?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe said, \u201cWell, let me explain to you.\u201d We kind of talked to them about a Christian view of marriage\/a theology of marriage, just short and brief, and said: \u201cBy the way, we have an extra room that we could allow one of you to participate in the conference; and both of you can participate by staying in separate rooms. Why don\u2019t you think about it and talk about it; then come back and tell us.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe next morning, they came down. Eventually, we had a conversation with them, thinking through, in a conversational setting\/a safe setting, to be able to get to the place\u2014that they weren\u2019t ready to stop living together\u2014but they were ready to honor; so that night, they said, \u201cHey guys, we\u2019re going to take the separate rooms.\u201d We said, \u201cThat\u2019s great, because what we\u2019ll do is\u2014we\u2019ll honor that when you come back after you\u2019re married and give you a free weekend.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey left; they got married; came back. Again, it was the idea of helping them to think about it by conversation. Instead of just mandating everything, we had a conversation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, if you\u2019re sitting down with somebody today\u2014who\u2019s like the drummer in the worship band; or the young couple, who\u2019ve never heard this before and they say, like Ann said: \u201cThis is the dumbest thing I ever heard of. Why should we wait to have sex?\u201d\u2014what\u2019s your answer?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>I think the question, \u201cWhy should we wait to have sex?\u201d is: \u201cWhat and why do you want to have sex? Is it just that you\u2019re compelled by your instincts\/by your physical desire? Is it just the idea of being able to <em>physically<\/em> be involved with each other? Do you have any understanding that sex is <em>far more<\/em> than just a physical act?\u2014the bonding that happens, physiologically, between a man and a woman in sex.\u201d To help someone to think through it\/have a conversation, where it\u2019s safe enough to help them to walk through that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlso the idea that says: \u201cHey, listen; we\u2019re not telling you to wait to get married so that you can have sex. Marriage is <em>far<\/em> <em>more<\/em> than just legalizing and legitimizing sex. There\u2019s far more that we want you to understand about what marriage is.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Well, and maybe now, in the band, you have same-sex marriages or same-sex attraction. You guys dealt with everything in the book. You really tackled all the issues. How do we address that, as a church?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>You know, just to go back for just a second to that question\u2014you know, that couple comes up to you that\u2019s a same-sex couple, or they\u2019re cohabiting, or they\u2019re just not where you\u2019re at\u2014it\u2019s interesting, but Shakespeare has one of his characters in <em>King Lear<\/em> say, \u201cHe laughs at scars who, himself, never bore a wound.\u201d There\u2019s a sense in which all of us\u2014man, when we realize our brokenness, that\u2019s, as Curt said, that\u2019s what <em>drives<\/em> us to be compassionate. That\u2019s what helps us say, \u201cWell, Lord, You have healed that in me, so now let me be compassionate with this person.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI grew up in a single-parent home. Let me tell you\u2014there were people that just looked at my mom\/a single parent like a pariah. But boy, when you realize\u2014I mean, she was a <em>wonderful<\/em> person. She made some really not-great decisions before she came to know Jesus, but guess what? She came to know Jesus; and through that, it was really through love, not through judgment. I do think that\u2019s one great thing we get to do\u2014is we get to live out God\u2019s love; and that includes just patience, and love, and encouragement.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I remember sitting with a couple, 25 years ago\u2014our church is 30 years old, so it was in the first 5 years. I was going to do their wedding; didn\u2019t know them. A friend of mine calls me up\u2014this was before cell phones\u2014\u201cHey, you know, you\u2019re doing Scott and Jessica\u2019s wedding; right?\u201d I go: \u201cYes, some couple; I got their name. I don\u2019t know anything about it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe goes, \u201cYou know, they\u2019re living together. I know the policy at your church is\u2014you know: \u201cOur church is this...\u201d He goes, \u201cI\u2019m going to talk to them.\u201d I go, \u201cNo you\u2019re not; I am.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That\u2019s not something somebody else\u2014so they came in, and\u2014loved this couple. They were just the sweetest thing ever. They had <em>never<\/em> heard theology about marriage. I remember loving them\u2014feeling compassion for them\/no judgment\u2014just say, \u201cHey, let me\u2026\u201d\u2014truth and grace; I gave them the truth and the grace. I looked at them; I said: \u201cSo today\u2019s a line in the sand. I\u2019m asking you to really make a hard decision, and I\u2019m going to love you whatever you do; but I\u2019m asking you to really consider doing it God\u2019s way.\u201d They said, \u201cOkay; we\u2019ll think about it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis couple called me that night and said, \u201cOkay, we moved out.\u201d I did their wedding a few months later, or maybe it was six months later. I\u2019ll never forget\u2014two or three years later, I get this call. They say: \u201cHey, we\u2019re having our first child. We\u2019re naming him after you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Curt: <\/strong>Oh, wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I\u2019m like, \u201cWe don\u2019t know each other that well!\u201d They said: \u201cYou were the first person that ever spoke the truth, and you loved us as you spoke it. It changed our life; we want our son to be named after you.\u201d I was teary. Now, that boy\u2019s 20-something years old, you know; it\u2019s just really cool to think how God works.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Dave, I would really hope that, as a pastor for 25 years, and other pastors that are listening to that\u2014that it\u2019s an exhortation that says: \u201cNot only do we teach a theology of marriage, but we <em>live<\/em> it in our own marriage,\u201d and \u201cWe live it as we work with couples, and that we make sure that weddings are welcome at our church, and that couples come to our church to get married, and that the theology of marriage is expressed in that wedding ceremony as well.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes. I can tell\u2014the way you\u2019re talking, there\u2019s a real sense of a spirit of compassion. I can tell by the way you\u2019re talking about these conversations with people that there\u2019s compassion. Talk about that a little bit, because\u2014you know, in our churches, sitting in the pews, are couples living together\u2014same-sex attracted, maybe even married gay couples or homosexual couples\u2014they\u2019re actually married now in the state or by the state\u2014they\u2019re sitting there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf they would come to you and say\u2014you know, because you\u2019re theologians but you\u2019re practitioners\u2014and now, they want a little of both; but they\u2019re coming to you, saying: \u201cI need to understand why you\u2019re taking these positions on my life. I feel like I\u2019m making choices that I think are God-honoring\u201d; right? I\u2019ve had these conversations. How do you talk to these couples, and how do they feel?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What does truth and grace look like in that moment?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>I think part of it is it always comes back to the question of: \u201cWhat is the marriage that you\u2019re staying away from?\u201d If you are a same-sex couple, and you\u2019re moving towards marriage or you are married, \u201cWhat is marriage?\u201d Again, asking them to think through it a little bit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Christian church is not the only one that\u2019s been infiltrated by the culture. There is an agenda in the culture that is changing our thinking, as a culture at large. We\u2019ve said that there\u2019s been common Christian values for many, many decades; and that\u2019s changed over the last half century. So how do we get people to engage with that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, it has to begin by conversation that engages thinking. We\u2019ve got to get to that place; and it has to be that heart of compassion that says: \u201cNo, I get it. I understand the brokenness that would take us there.\u201d But it\u2019s <em>not<\/em> the sense that we stop at our brokenness. We have <em>valued<\/em> the idea of brokenness to the place that we never get to redemption. The idea of this is that the brokenness is\u2014not just aligning yourself with others, who are broken\u2014it is aligning yourself with the One, who can bring healing to you. It really is Jesus. I mean, that is the whole idea\u2014that the marriage relationship in the New Testament talks about Christ as the Husband giving His life for the bride, the church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We\u2019re back to kind of where we started. Curt, talk about the idea of the \u201choly echo\u201d and that concept; because that\u2019s foundational to what you\u2019re talking about, not just in this issue, but all throughout the book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Curt: <\/strong>It really is that sense of the \u201choly echo.\u201d I see that as we look at it in Genesis, when we talk about the <em>imago Dei<\/em>, the image of God, in both a marriage relationship as well as within the church\u2014the sense of God as a God of relationship; a God of love, revealing Himself through the marriage relationship\u2014again, back to that idea of passion, commitment, and intimacy. Those are the values of love in the church as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it also is a very echoing kind of sense when we look at the relationship between Christ, the Bridegroom, and His church, the bride. Christ gives Himself. He becomes vulnerable to the point of death, sacrificing Himself, for His bride\/for the church\u2014for us as individuals. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow does the church respond to that?\u2014what is the call of Christ on our lives? It is to what? \u201cDeny ourselves, pick up our cross, and follow Him.\u201d We echo, as husbands love our wives sacrificially, to the place of death. That\u2019s not just a physical death; but that\u2019s the death of my ego, that I will serve my wife in a way that is like Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it is also the call to the wife that says, \u201cI will be like the church, like the Christian is to live before Christ\u201d; and that is the idea that I\u2019ll deny myself. That sense of mutual vulnerability really brings us to the place of where real unity happens; that\u2019s intimacy. When we are <em>vulnerable<\/em> together, that\u2019s intimacy\u2014that\u2019s marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; I <em>love<\/em> the idea that the Scriptures are the call of God for all of us, and our response is the echo back. When we live out God\u2019s call, we are that response echo that the world can hear and see, not just the original call, but then they hear the echo back; and there\u2019s something grand and glorious about the call and response, the voice and the echo.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think you guys have captured so much of that in this book. This is a gift to all of us, for you to have gathered the different names. You talked about some of the people who were involved in this\u2014Juli Slattery was involved, Darryl Bach was involved in this, Craig Blomberg, Greg Allison\u2014I mean, the name, Sean McDowell\u2019s, involved in this, Brett McCracken, Mike Mason, Crawford Loritts. This is just a <em>great<\/em> gift to have assembled all of these people to write on this subject and give us a foundation for marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re grateful for your work; grateful for you being here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Curt: <\/strong>Thank you!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Thanks for having us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We have copies of the book, <em>Marriage: Its Foundation, Theology, and Mission in a Changing World<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. Hope you\u2019ll go online to find out how you can get a copy and use this with your small group, or go through it together as a couple. You can order the book from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com. The number to call to order the book, <em>Marriage: Its Foundation, Theology, and Mission in a Changing World<\/em>\u2014the number is 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just say\u2014the theological foundation for marriage that we\u2019ve talked about this week\u2014when you come to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway, that\u2019s a part of what you come away with. Whether you\u2019re new to the faith or whether you\u2019ve been going to church for years, people come away with a better, more biblical understanding of marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have the president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, David Robbins, here with us. David, I talked one time to a guy\u2014he said: \u201cMy wife and I had been leading the youth group at church for ten years, but our marriage was a mess. We came to the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>; and we walked away, saying, \u2018How come nobody ever told us this is in the Bible?\u2019\u201d [Laughter] It was a revelation for them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>That is why I want to challenge everyone to carve time away and to get away with your spouse\u2014come and sit under amazing teaching and sit under what God\u2019s design for marriage and family is\u2014because such amazing transformation happens in that place, no matter where you are in your spiritual journey or even in seasons of life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI got some comments from people who went recently to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>. They\u2019ve been married at all different stages; one of them for one year, one of them for sixteen years, one of them for twenty-nine years. They said things like, \u201cThere\u2019s going to be no more absent husband for me; I will be there for my gift of God, my wife.\u201d Someone else said: \u201cIt reminded us that our marriage is too important for us to do on our own. We need God at the center.\u201d This last one said: \u201cIt\u2019s even better the second time around. We put our guard down and truly opened up to communicate like never before; totally life-changing.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what happens when we sit under God\u2019s authority and apply it, practically, to our lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You talk about seasons of life. You and Meg have four kids. For you to do a weekend like this\u2014it takes some planning and some orchestration, and it can be a hassle. You think, \u201cOh, I just don\u2019t want a hassle with it.\u201d But after you do it, you go, \u201cThat was so worth it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>Well, we did it about a year ago; and obviously, we\u2019ve been before, but I\u2019m telling you\u2014it took until about Saturday morning at 11 a.m., but oh my goodness, something just kind of opened up. It ministered to us in a place that we <em>really<\/em> needed in this season of life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, again, if you want to take advantage of the special offer we\u2019re making this week for <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>listeners\u2014save 50 percent off the regular registration fee for an upcoming <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway\u2014go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com. Find out when a getaway is coming to a city near where you live or a city you\u2019d like to visit this spring. Register online; or if you have any questions, call us at 1-800-FL-TODAY. You can also register by phone. Plan to join us for one of our upcoming getaways; and again, save 50 percent off the regular registration fee by signing up this week.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you can be back with us again tomorrow. We\u2019re going to talk with a couple who had their marriage go off-course at one point, and they\u2019re now helping other couples figure out how to keep their marriage on-course rather than having it drift. You\u2019ll meet Clint and Penny Bragg tomorrow, and I hope you can join us back for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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