{"id":305671,"date":"2020-01-08T06:00:04","date_gmt":"2020-01-08T11:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/believing-for-our-prodigals\/"},"modified":"2020-01-08T06:00:04","modified_gmt":"2020-01-08T11:00:04","slug":"believing-for-our-prodigals","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/believing-for-our-prodigals\/","title":{"rendered":"Believing for Our Prodigals"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>guest: Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth, Robert Wolgemuth | Series: You Can Trust God to Write Your Story | God is always working in our lives. But many times, we just don&#8217;t see it. Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth and her husband, Robert, remind us that we have a Father in heaven who is so good and faithful. Even if your loved one has turned their back on Him, continue to entrust that child or loved one to the One who knows and loves them best.<\/p>\n<p>Show Notes and Resources<\/p>\n<p> \tFree Logos Bible Software for FamilyLife Today\u00ae listeners.\u00a0 http:\/\/www.logos.com\/familylifetoday<br \/>\n \tCheck out all that&#8217;s available on the FamilyLife Podcast Network.\u00a0 https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/familylife-podcast-network\/<br \/>\n \tHave the FamilyLife Today\u00ae podcast and resources helped you?\u00a0 Consider becoming a Legacy Partner, a monthly supporter of FamilyLife.\u00a0https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/legacy<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth and her husband, Robert, remind us that we have a Father in heaven who is so good and faithful, even when we can&#8217;t see it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2020-01-08.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:28:36","filesize":"26.18M","filesize_raw":"27455024","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2817,2822,2810],"tags":[6812],"podcast_series":[8328],"cwp_profile":[3196,3178],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-305671","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-choosing-a-spouse","category-growing-in-your-faith","category-growing-spiritually","tag-you-can-trust-god-to-write-your-story","podcast_series-you-can-trust-god-to-write-your-story","cwp_profile-nancy-demoss-wolgemuth","cwp_profile-robert-wolgemuth","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/305671\/believing-for-our-prodigals","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/305671\/believing-for-our-prodigals","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"mrf8pkoJcS\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/believing-for-our-prodigals\/\">Believing for Our Prodigals<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/believing-for-our-prodigals\/embed\/#?secret=mrf8pkoJcS\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Believing for Our Prodigals&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"mrf8pkoJcS\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Sometimes, the mystery is just trusting: \u201cI can\u2019t see how You\u2019re doing that God, and this makes <em>no sense<\/em> at all to me; but I know that You are good, and You do good.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, January 8<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Do we really believe that God is good and that everything He does is good? If we do, that should change the way we view our circumstances today. Stay with us.\n\nAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We\u2019re going to be talking about how to let God write your story today with our guests, Robert and Nancy Wolgemuth.\n\nBut before we introduce them and get into that topic\u2014if you guys will pardon us\u2014we shared earlier this week about the video series that has just been completed. It\u2019s a five-session small group series for couples called <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You ever heard that title before, Bob?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I have heard that title. [Laughter] This is based on the best-selling book that Dave and Ann Wilson wrote that came out last year. And now, to have it in a video format for couples to go through in a small group setting\u2014we\u2019re really excited about this.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We\u2019re super excited to have people walk through this with us.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You know, what\u2019s amazing is\u2014<em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> is sort of based on one of the worst moments in our marriage.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s our story.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; and at that moment, I thought: \u201cNobody will ever really hear this story. They don\u2019t need to.\u201d And yet, that\u2019s how God is\u2014He takes something that was dead, resurrects it, and then He says, \u201cI want the world to know so that it can help others.\u201d\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And it has helped others because a lot of people have worse moments in their marriage; right? We all have times we look back on with regret or things we wish we could have done differently. You guys have been public about what that moment was for you and some of the other moments in your marriage.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> There are quite a few bad moments, actually. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And we get to hear about that in the video series, which is now available. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com if you\u2019ve got a small group or a Sunday school class at church\u2014you\u2019re looking for something where you can focus on marriage for five weeks\u2014this is <em>great<\/em> content from Dave and Ann Wilson. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com to find out more about the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> DVD series.\n\nNow, we\u2019ve been hearing, this week, stories of God\u2019s providence\/stories where God\/where we can see the hand of God at work in somebody\u2019s life. He\u2019s <em>always<\/em> at work in our lives; sometimes, we just don\u2019t see it.\n\nIn fact, we\u2019ve got guests who are with us this week, Robert and Nancy Wolgemuth. Welcome back to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, guys.\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was with the two of you on the day that your book\u2014the book we\u2019re talking about this week: <em>You Can Trust God to Write Your Story<\/em>\u2014the book that you got your first copy right off the press; right?\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And I told you, that day, it instantly brought to mind, for me, an old hymn. In fact, you want to go back and say, \u201cWe should have put that hymn in the book.\u201d You want to go back and do an edit. The hymn is the hymn, <em>God Moves in a Mysterious Way<\/em>\u2014William Cowper\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> His wonder\u2014wonders to perform\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Are you going to sing it Bob?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019ve never heard this.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> C\u2019mon!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Listen to these lyrics: Ye fearful saints, fresh courage take;\n\nthe clouds ye so much dread\n\nare big with mercy, and shall break\n\nin blessings on your head.\n\nJudge not the Lord by feeble sense,\n\nbut trust Him for His grace;\n\nThese are the lines I love.\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Oh yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 behind a frowning providence,\n\nHe hides a smiling face.\n\n<strong>Robert: <\/strong>Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We can\u2019t <em>see<\/em> the smiling face.\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> In fact, one of the lyrics there talks about Him planting His footsteps in the sea. I dare you to see your footstep after you take your foot out of the water.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You can\u2019t see it.\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> You can\u2019t see it; it\u2019s there, but you can\u2019t see it.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So here\u2019s the theme\/the message we\u2019re talking about this week is: \u201cGod is at work in ways we don\u2019t understand and don\u2019t see: even in the trials, even in the struggles, even in the pain. We have to learn how to respond to God in those moments\/how to <em>trust<\/em> God in those moments. That\u2019s the subtitle of the book: <em>Embracing the Mysteries of Providence<\/em>. Those mysteries are sometimes prickly and hard to embrace.\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> That\u2019s right; and you can choose to embrace them, even though you don\u2019t want to: \u201cI\u2019m going to <em>choose<\/em> to embrace what I don\u2019t understand. I\u2019m going to <em>choose<\/em> to embrace what I may not even like.\u201d What happens in that embrace changes my heart.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I fully agree with that, but if I could just add a caveat to that. It\u2019s not just bare- knuckled, \u201cI\u2019m going to <em>choose<\/em> this\u201d; okay, sometimes it is. But in the bigger picture, I think there\u2019s also this sense that we have a Father in heaven who loves us, and who wants what is best for us, and who is all powerful, and is <em>so<\/em> good, and is <em>so<\/em> faithful, and is writing a <em>beautiful<\/em> story. We have something to look forward to, even in our most painful moments. What does Paul say in Romans 8?\u2014\u201cI\u2019m confident I know that the sufferings of this present time\u201d\u2014intense as they may be\u2014\"are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.\u201d\n\nI think, in high school, we read O. Henry\u2014the man who was known for surprise endings. You would read these short stories by O. Henry; and he always had this\u2014you never knew where this thing was going\u2014and you get to the last page and it\u2019s: \u201c<em>Whoa!<\/em> I didn\u2019t expect <em>that<\/em>! This was amazing! Of course, now this all makes sense.\u201d He was the master of this surprise ending that made the whole thing come together in a way you could never have anticipated.\n\nI think God is the <em>master<\/em> storyteller. Why would I not choose to embrace His providence?\u2014if I know that He\u2019s good, and He\u2019s doing good, and that one day when I see what He has seen all along\u2014when I know what He has known all along\u2014I will say, \u201cThat\u2019s exactly the way the story should have been written!\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We talked about trusting God in the midst of marital challenges. You brought up another category though, where I think, for moms and dads, to trust God in a season when a child is wayward, and we\u2019re talking about eternity being in view. Those are times when our faith is tested at a deep level to go, \u201cIs God going to rescue my child from the path that they\u2019ve wandered down?\u201d\n\nAs you talked with parents on this journey, what did you come away with that caused you to say, \u201cThis is helpful for other parents who might be going through this\u201d?\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Well, for starters, there may be no pressure quite like the pressure on a marriage to have a child either die or be a prodigal runaway. What we learned from these amazing people was their faith in God in spite of what they could see.\n\nOne dad, in particular\u2014he was very methodical about what he trained his mind to believe and to not\u00a0 believe about\u2014\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Can I read that here, honey?\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Oh, please do.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Talked with this couple whose child is out in the tulies and no sign of coming back, and actually trying to justify some really unbiblical choices <em>with<\/em> Scripture. It\u2019s just very confused thinking and it\u2019s upset the eco system of the whole family. I mean, everything changes; all the kids are affected. There\u2019s no end in sight.\n\nBut this dad said to us\u2014they came to realize three things. He said: \u201cOne, you cannot change your child\u2019s heart. Two, it\u2019s not your responsibility to fix your child. And three, you can\u2019t quit.\u201d So he perseveres\u2014he and his wife\u2014we talked with them together. There was a time, early on\u2014I was with them, early on, when this began to unravel. There were lots of tears\u2014and still are\u2014and just <em>aching<\/em> over the choices of this young adult child. But the grappling, the striving, the trying to give this child books to read and things to listen to\u2014and all the things that parents do to try to <em>fix<\/em> this\u2014they finally settled into a\u2014not that they love their child less\/not that they care less\u2014but realizing: \u201cWe can\u2019t change their heart. Only God can do that, and it\u2019s not our job to do that. But we can\u2019t quit praying; we can\u2019t quit loving; we can\u2019t quit trusting God to write, not only our story, but the story of the one that we love.\u201d\n\nWhen we met with them, they\u2019re at peace in a situation that any parent would consider really painful. It is still painful; and yet, there\u2019s this peace that God is writing this child\u2019s story: \u201cWe\u2019re going to be there; we\u2019re available, but we\u2019re trusting God to write our story and this child\u2019s story.\u201d It\u2019s not glib, but it\u2019s really robust visceral faith that clings to God when there is nothing else to cling to.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And that\u2019s a real trust because you can imagine\u2014I know I would feel like a failure, laying in bed at night, going: \u201cWhat did I do? How did I fail?\u201d And being able to take that belief, which is really a lie, but to take that and go: \u201cI can still trust God. God is still good in this.\u201d\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> These parents, in multiple situations, we\u2019ve talked to\u2014they have said: \u201cLord, if there are things you want to teach us, or show us, or change us, we are sinners who have parented sinful children.\u201d So they\u2019re not saying,\u00a0 \u201cWe were perfect parents\u201d; what parent is? There\u2019s a humility that allows God to speak into <em>their<\/em> lives.\n\nBut they\u2019re also saying, \u201cThis child is responsible for his or her choices.\u201d You have to, at some point, let go of the shame and the sense of guilt, once you\u2019ve been humble and confessed any sin God reveals to you, and say, \u201cLord, only You can do this in my child\u2019s life as well.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> One of the things that you said was you\u2019ve been walking with this couple, which to me says they\u2019ve opened up their lives. I think, sometimes when we\u2019re in those predicaments, we can hide in shame, feeling like it\u2019s our fault, or feeling depressed, and feeling like we don\u2019t know where to turn. But the fact that you\u2019ve walked with them, I think that\u2019s really key and critical in relationships\u2014that we have someone walking with us, holding our arms up. When we can\u2019t even pray anymore, they\u2019re praying for us and with us in our situations.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> And you know how we do that?\u2014out of our own pain\/out of our own experiences. In this conversation we\u2019ve had over the last few days, multiple times, your eyes have filled up with tears. The listeners can\u2019t see that, but I\u2019m watching you. I don\u2019t know you that well; but as I\u2019m listening to you, I\u2019m thinking: \u201cIf I were in a really hard place, here\u2019s a woman I could talk to. She may not have been <em>exactly<\/em> where I\u2019ve been, but she\u2019s been in some <em>hard<\/em> places\/she\u2019s experienced pain, and she has found God to be faithful in the midst of that pain.\u201d That draws me to you.\n\nOur tears from our own painful experiences\/our own challenges of embracing the mysteries of God\u2019s providence, that\u2019s part of what gives us the tools and resources to be an encouragement and a blessing to others.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s that beauty of fellowship.\n\nI\u2019ll never forget the time I was sharing my testimony; I shared about my sexual abuse\u2014but how God had redeemed it, and God had restored me, and healed me. I got a letter from a woman who said I had glorified Satan that day. I went into my home, and I did not come out; because if there\u2019s anything that could have hurt me more\u2014there couldn\u2019t have been anything that would hurt me more than those words\u2014because I wanted to bring glory to God. I hid in my house.\n\nBut I had shared with my best friend one time, \u201cWhen I get down, I hide and isolate; and I don\u2019t want to talk to anybody.\u201d And isn\u2019t that where Satan does his best work?\u2014when we\u2019re alone and we\u2019re isolated? She would call me and call me, and I wouldn\u2019t pick up. Finally, one day, she\u2019s knocking at the door. I wasn\u2019t going to answer; and she said, \u201cI know you\u2019re in there, hiding; let me in!\u201d\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> That\u2019s a real friend.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Isn\u2019t that a good friend? But we all need those good friends that can love us in the midst of our pain and we\u2019re in the valley. Because sometimes, that\u2019s what helps draw us to Jesus and back into the Word.\n\n<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What a vision the church would be if it was known for that. The community of God\/the people of God would be a place\u2014even unchurched people that don\u2019t believe in God: \u201cI want to run there. I hear those people\u201d\u2014are like you said Ann is\u2014\u201care compassionate; they\u2019ll walk beside you. They won\u2019t judge; they won\u2019t come and tell you what you need to do. They\u2019ll just embrace the mystery of providence of God with you in the middle of that.\u201d I think your book helps people do that\u2014to walk beside.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> They will do what Job\u2019s friends did, at first, instead of what Job\u2019s friends did later; right? They will come and sit in silence and bear the weight with you\u2014\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014be there\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and be very careful. It\u2019s not that we never offer counsel; because admonishing one another or encouraging one another\u2014we\u2019re called to do that\u2014but you got to be very careful and make sure that you are pointing somebody in God\u2019s direction when you do that.\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Yes; I\u2019d love to go back to the prodigal thing for a moment. Of course, we get the word from Luke 15\u2014this young man, who takes off on his own. This was a parable; this wasn\u2019t necessarily a true story, but something happened while he was in a faraway country. His dad\u2014let\u2019s just say\u2014must have done something\/said something\u2014whatever\u2014that the boy believed that, when he came home, his dad would be there. Now, he thought he was going to be a slave and that would have been good enough.\n\nBut I love the idea of doing\u2014even when your kids are very small, and even through the mistakes that you make, as parents\u2014you can draw your kids back, way later, when those seeds take root and your kid is miserable and he\u2019s thinking: \u201cYou know what? My dad loves me, and he would take me if I\u2019d come home.\u201d That\u2019s what you pray for\u2014for your prodigal.\n\nWhat you say to those parents is: \u201cDon\u2019t give up. Be the prodigal\u2019s father\u201d\u2014which is really a picture of God\u2014\u201cof patiently waiting: praying for your kids, longing for them to come home, and then\u201d\u2014listeners can\u2019t see this; but the image is the daddy looking down that lane, with his hand over his eyes, shading the sun, just waiting for his son to come\u2014\u201cand then, of course, we know he hiked up his robes and ran to meet him.\u201d\n\nThat\u2019s what you do, as a parent, of a prodigal: you\u2019re patient. What Nancy just read is right. You can\u2019t do anything about it except: wait patiently, pray like crazy, and be ready for when they come home.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> And related to that prodigal, and some of the people we talked to, I think another important takeaway was for parents to be careful not to rescue their children from the cross\u2014not to try and <em>fix<\/em> or change things to make life <em>easier<\/em> for their child if God\u2019s trying to get the child\u2019s attention and bring that child to Christ and to the gospel.\n\nParents want to fix; they want to change\u2014you know, it\u2019s a mommas heart, \u201cI don\u2019t want my child to hurt.\u201d But it was through the prodigal\u2019s coming to the end of himself and to the end of his resources\u2014that\u2019s what ultimately brought him back home. We\u2019ve heard parents say, \u201cWe need to be careful that we don\u2019t rescue our children from the story God\u2019s trying to write in their lives.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Nancy, how do you trust God though? It\u2019s one thing when you can look at somebody and say, \u201cThe story isn\u2019t over\u201d; but then, what do you do when the prodigal has gone and they die in the foreign field?\u201d When the [prodigal] you have prayed for dies with no evidence of ever having repented, and you think: \u201cHow do I trust God? I prayed all these years; I <em>hoped<\/em> all these years; and now, it would appear that my child\u2026\u201d As a parent, \u201c How do you trust God with this?\u201d\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> So one of the things that you said was: \u201cYou\u2019ve not seen the evidence\u201d; but you don\u2019t know. You don\u2019t know what\u2019s happened in the quietness of the heart of the child in terms of them coming to terms with their own sinfulness. Again, this is the seeds that parents plant; and pray like crazy that the Lord will water that and grow that into some kind of relationship with Him. You don\u2019t know; you don\u2019t know. But that\u2019s why it\u2019s mystery; if we had this figured out, this book wouldn\u2019t be necessary.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I think, also, we have to come to the place in any of these stories\u2014whether it\u2019s our health, or our finances, or our family, or whatever\u2014that we care more about God\u2019s story, and what He is writing, and what He is doing to redeem this broken world than we care about our own problems being solved.\n\nThat can seem cold-hearted or hard-hearted in the moment of somebody\u2019s pain; but ultimately, we know the judge of all the earth will do right. He will do right; He is going to vindicate righteousness. He\u2019s going to judge the unrighteous, and He is going to be glorified. He is writing a story that, in the consummation of all things, is going to be grand, and glorious, and beautiful. Sometimes the mystery is just trusting: \u201cI can\u2019t see how You\u2019re doing that God, and this makes <em>no sense<\/em> at all to me; but I know that You are good, and You do good.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019ve been thinking, over and over again, as we\u2019ve been talking about this, about that scene in Job, Chapter 2, where after financial ruin and the death of children\u2014\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014<em>ten<\/em> children.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and now disease that has you covered in sores so that you\u2019ve got broken pottery as you try to\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Is this that hard for anybody else to read?\u2014like Job is a difficult book to read.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; sure.\n\n<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Then his wife says to him: \u201cDo you still hold fast to your integrity? Curse God and die.\u201d But he says to her: \u201cYou speak as one of the foolish women would speak. Shall we receive good from God and shall we not receive evil? And in all of this, Job did not sin with his lips\u201d; and then later he says, \u201cThough He slay me, I will still hope in Him.\u201d That\u2019s the kind of trust we\u2019re trying to cultivate\/the kind of faith we\u2019re trying to get to. We say: \u201cWhatever the frowning providence\/whatever the circumstance God is going to bring my way, even if it\u2019s death, I\u2019ll trust Him. He\u2019s good; He knows what\u2019s right,\u201d and \u201cHis plan and His ways are perfect, when mine are imperfect, and flawed, and fallible,\u201d and \u201cMy hope\u2019s going to be in Him all the way to the end.\u201d\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014not in the circumstance being changed but having hope in God.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, your book is a gift to all of us. In fact, we\u2019re going to keep, at our house, about five copies on hand just so we\u2019ve got them; because already\u2014we had two, and we\u2019re down to one. We\u2019ve got to go replenish the stock.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You\u2019ve already given it out?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We just keep running into people, where we\u2019re going\u2014hearing their story, and we go, \u201cI\u2019ve got a book for you that you need to read.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I was thinking, \u201cIf this book had been out four or five years ago, I would have had 53 of them in the Detroit Lions\u2019 locker room; because we faced a lot of adversity.\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What was the record that season? [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m kidding; 0-16. I\u2019m kidding, because those are trite\u2014they don\u2019t really mean anything\u2014but to <em>them<\/em>, going through an NFL season, where you don\u2019t win a game, it feels heavy; and they needed perspective that there is a God that\u2019s in control and you can trust.\n\nBut obviously, in the <em>real<\/em> battles of life, what a gift to be able to help people walk through that.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And what <em>great<\/em> stories because stories <em>motivate<\/em> us, and <em>move<\/em> us, and <em>change<\/em> us. To read these stories, of God entering in and reminding us of who He is, has been a gift. Thank you.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We do have copies of Robert and Nancy\u2019s book, <em>You Can Trust God to Write Your Story: Embracing the Mysteries of Providence<\/em>. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order your copy, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY,\u201d to order your copy of the book.\n\nAs we have been talking to Robert and Nancy this week, I\u2019ve been thinking about people, who are facing storms in life\u2014who are trusting God, right now, to write their story\u2014but I\u2019m also thinking about those, who are in a pretty good place and thinking, \u201cWell, it\u2019s smooth sailing; I can kind of relax.\u201d\n\nDavid Robbins, the president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, is here with us. Just because things are going okay doesn\u2019t mean you can relax; does it?\n\n<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes, this conversation is such a gift because seasons of trial, or waiting, or suffering are never too far away in this broken world. I\u2019m caught up in Nancy\u2019s picture she gave us of pouring a foundation to fuel our faith in God\u2019s providence before the storms hit. She said no one pours a foundation in the storm; you pour the foundation during nice days before the storm.\n\nFor me, it\u2019s kind of said: \u201cOkay, what are passages of Scripture I want to memorize anew in this moment\/in this day?\u201d or \u201cWhat are dates I need to take my preteen daughter on, right now, before we\u2019re in the thick of the teenage years?\u201d Also, I\u2019m just kind of convicted\u2014like, \u201cAlright, I want to get back in the rhythm of taking walks with my wife so that we have those rhythms <em>now<\/em> when the next crisis hits.\u201d\n\nI\u2019d just ask you: \u201cWhat is God prompting in your heart as you hear this conversation?\u201d God is good and is faithful toward you, no matter what. Choosing today something that will help you, as the storm comes or as the waves get bigger than they currently are, may make all the difference.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sounds like we\u2019ve looked at your New Year\u2019s resolution list a little bit. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>David:<\/strong> Maybe, I need that; yes. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Thank you, David.\n\nSpeaking of New Year\u2019s resolutions, we\u2019ve got a lot of listeners, who made New Year\u2019s resolutions to spend more time in God\u2019s Word in 2020. We were talking with our friends at Logos, back before the beginning of the year; and we said, \u201cWouldn\u2019t it be cool if we could find a way to get more people using your Bible software?\u2014and if that could be catalytic to people spending more time in God\u2019s Word in the year ahead.\u201d\n\nWe put together a plan to make their Bible software, along with a library of more than $2000 worth of books and resources, available to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners for <em>free<\/em>. Our hope is that having Logos on your computer, or on your mobile phone, or on your mobile devices\/your tablet, that will be catalytic to have you spending more time in God\u2019s Word in the year ahead.\n\nOf course, the folks at Logos are hoping that, once you start using this software, you\u2019ll want to add books to your library. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com; click the link for the Logos Bible software, and you can download the Logos system immediately and start using it <em>today<\/em>. Again, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com, and the link for Logos is right there.\n\nAnd we hope you can join us back tomorrow. We\u2019re going to talk to a husband and wife, who have had to learn how to let God write their story; because God took them through a very difficult circumstance\u2014one where they saw victory, but it was in the midst of tragedy. You\u2019ll meet Tony and Kelly Trent tomorrow as we hear the story of their son, Tyler. I hope you can be with us for that.\n\nI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\nWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. 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DeMoss Wolgemuth and her husband, Robert, remind us that we have a Father in heaven who is so good and faithful, even when we can't see it.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2020-01-08.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you face circumstances in life that are painful or difficult\/stressful, Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth says we have to be asking our self: \u201cWhose agenda do we care about most?\u201d\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> We have to come to the place\u2014whether it\u2019s our health, or our finances, or our family, or whatever\u2014that we care more about God\u2019s story, and what He is writing, and what He is doing to redeem this broken world than we care about our own problems being solved. Sometimes, the mystery is just trusting: \u201cI can\u2019t see how You\u2019re doing that God, and this makes <em>no sense<\/em> at all to me; but I know that You are good, and You do good.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, January 8<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Do we really believe that God is good and that everything He does is good? If we do, that should change the way we view our circumstances today. Stay with us.\n\nAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We\u2019re going to be talking about how to let God write your story today with our guests, Robert and Nancy Wolgemuth.\n\nBut before we introduce them and get into that topic\u2014if you guys will pardon us\u2014we shared earlier this week about the video series that has just been completed. It\u2019s a five-session small group series for couples called <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You ever heard that title before, Bob?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I have heard that title. [Laughter] This is based on the best-selling book that Dave and Ann Wilson wrote that came out last year. And now, to have it in a video format for couples to go through in a small group setting\u2014we\u2019re really excited about this.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We\u2019re super excited to have people walk through this with us.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You know, what\u2019s amazing is\u2014<em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> is sort of based on one of the worst moments in our marriage.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s our story.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; and at that moment, I thought: \u201cNobody will ever really hear this story. They don\u2019t need to.\u201d And yet, that\u2019s how God is\u2014He takes something that was dead, resurrects it, and then He says, \u201cI want the world to know so that it can help others.\u201d\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And it has helped others because a lot of people have worse moments in their marriage; right? We all have times we look back on with regret or things we wish we could have done differently. You guys have been public about what that moment was for you and some of the other moments in your marriage.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> There are quite a few bad moments, actually. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And we get to hear about that in the video series, which is now available. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com if you\u2019ve got a small group or a Sunday school class at church\u2014you\u2019re looking for something where you can focus on marriage for five weeks\u2014this is <em>great<\/em> content from Dave and Ann Wilson. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com to find out more about the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> DVD series.\n\nNow, we\u2019ve been hearing, this week, stories of God\u2019s providence\/stories where God\/where we can see the hand of God at work in somebody\u2019s life. He\u2019s <em>always<\/em> at work in our lives; sometimes, we just don\u2019t see it.\n\nIn fact, we\u2019ve got guests who are with us this week, Robert and Nancy Wolgemuth. Welcome back to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, guys.\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was with the two of you on the day that your book\u2014the book we\u2019re talking about this week: <em>You Can Trust God to Write Your Story<\/em>\u2014the book that you got your first copy right off the press; right?\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And I told you, that day, it instantly brought to mind, for me, an old hymn. In fact, you want to go back and say, \u201cWe should have put that hymn in the book.\u201d You want to go back and do an edit. The hymn is the hymn, <em>God Moves in a Mysterious Way<\/em>\u2014William Cowper\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> His wonder\u2014wonders to perform\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Are you going to sing it Bob?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019ve never heard this.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> C\u2019mon!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Listen to these lyrics: Ye fearful saints, fresh courage take;\n\nthe clouds ye so much dread\n\nare big with mercy, and shall break\n\nin blessings on your head.\n\nJudge not the Lord by feeble sense,\n\nbut trust Him for His grace;\n\nThese are the lines I love.\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Oh yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 behind a frowning providence,\n\nHe hides a smiling face.\n\n<strong>Robert: <\/strong>Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We can\u2019t <em>see<\/em> the smiling face.\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> In fact, one of the lyrics there talks about Him planting His footsteps in the sea. I dare you to see your footstep after you take your foot out of the water.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You can\u2019t see it.\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> You can\u2019t see it; it\u2019s there, but you can\u2019t see it.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So here\u2019s the theme\/the message we\u2019re talking about this week is: \u201cGod is at work in ways we don\u2019t understand and don\u2019t see: even in the trials, even in the struggles, even in the pain. We have to learn how to respond to God in those moments\/how to <em>trust<\/em> God in those moments. That\u2019s the subtitle of the book: <em>Embracing the Mysteries of Providence<\/em>. Those mysteries are sometimes prickly and hard to embrace.\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> That\u2019s right; and you can choose to embrace them, even though you don\u2019t want to: \u201cI\u2019m going to <em>choose<\/em> to embrace what I don\u2019t understand. I\u2019m going to <em>choose<\/em> to embrace what I may not even like.\u201d What happens in that embrace changes my heart.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I fully agree with that, but if I could just add a caveat to that. It\u2019s not just bare- knuckled, \u201cI\u2019m going to <em>choose<\/em> this\u201d; okay, sometimes it is. But in the bigger picture, I think there\u2019s also this sense that we have a Father in heaven who loves us, and who wants what is best for us, and who is all powerful, and is <em>so<\/em> good, and is <em>so<\/em> faithful, and is writing a <em>beautiful<\/em> story. We have something to look forward to, even in our most painful moments. What does Paul say in Romans 8?\u2014\u201cI\u2019m confident I know that the sufferings of this present time\u201d\u2014intense as they may be\u2014\"are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.\u201d\n\nI think, in high school, we read O. Henry\u2014the man who was known for surprise endings. You would read these short stories by O. Henry; and he always had this\u2014you never knew where this thing was going\u2014and you get to the last page and it\u2019s: \u201c<em>Whoa!<\/em> I didn\u2019t expect <em>that<\/em>! This was amazing! Of course, now this all makes sense.\u201d He was the master of this surprise ending that made the whole thing come together in a way you could never have anticipated.\n\nI think God is the <em>master<\/em> storyteller. Why would I not choose to embrace His providence?\u2014if I know that He\u2019s good, and He\u2019s doing good, and that one day when I see what He has seen all along\u2014when I know what He has known all along\u2014I will say, \u201cThat\u2019s exactly the way the story should have been written!\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We talked about trusting God in the midst of marital challenges. You brought up another category though, where I think, for moms and dads, to trust God in a season when a child is wayward, and we\u2019re talking about eternity being in view. Those are times when our faith is tested at a deep level to go, \u201cIs God going to rescue my child from the path that they\u2019ve wandered down?\u201d\n\nAs you talked with parents on this journey, what did you come away with that caused you to say, \u201cThis is helpful for other parents who might be going through this\u201d?\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Well, for starters, there may be no pressure quite like the pressure on a marriage to have a child either die or be a prodigal runaway. What we learned from these amazing people was their faith in God in spite of what they could see.\n\nOne dad, in particular\u2014he was very methodical about what he trained his mind to believe and to not\u00a0 believe about\u2014\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Can I read that here, honey?\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Oh, please do.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Talked with this couple whose child is out in the tulies and no sign of coming back, and actually trying to justify some really unbiblical choices <em>with<\/em> Scripture. It\u2019s just very confused thinking and it\u2019s upset the eco system of the whole family. I mean, everything changes; all the kids are affected. There\u2019s no end in sight.\n\nBut this dad said to us\u2014they came to realize three things. He said: \u201cOne, you cannot change your child\u2019s heart. Two, it\u2019s not your responsibility to fix your child. And three, you can\u2019t quit.\u201d So he perseveres\u2014he and his wife\u2014we talked with them together. There was a time, early on\u2014I was with them, early on, when this began to unravel. There were lots of tears\u2014and still are\u2014and just <em>aching<\/em> over the choices of this young adult child. But the grappling, the striving, the trying to give this child books to read and things to listen to\u2014and all the things that parents do to try to <em>fix<\/em> this\u2014they finally settled into a\u2014not that they love their child less\/not that they care less\u2014but realizing: \u201cWe can\u2019t change their heart. Only God can do that, and it\u2019s not our job to do that. But we can\u2019t quit praying; we can\u2019t quit loving; we can\u2019t quit trusting God to write, not only our story, but the story of the one that we love.\u201d\n\nWhen we met with them, they\u2019re at peace in a situation that any parent would consider really painful. It is still painful; and yet, there\u2019s this peace that God is writing this child\u2019s story: \u201cWe\u2019re going to be there; we\u2019re available, but we\u2019re trusting God to write our story and this child\u2019s story.\u201d It\u2019s not glib, but it\u2019s really robust visceral faith that clings to God when there is nothing else to cling to.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And that\u2019s a real trust because you can imagine\u2014I know I would feel like a failure, laying in bed at night, going: \u201cWhat did I do? How did I fail?\u201d And being able to take that belief, which is really a lie, but to take that and go: \u201cI can still trust God. God is still good in this.\u201d\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> These parents, in multiple situations, we\u2019ve talked to\u2014they have said: \u201cLord, if there are things you want to teach us, or show us, or change us, we are sinners who have parented sinful children.\u201d So they\u2019re not saying,\u00a0 \u201cWe were perfect parents\u201d; what parent is? There\u2019s a humility that allows God to speak into <em>their<\/em> lives.\n\nBut they\u2019re also saying, \u201cThis child is responsible for his or her choices.\u201d You have to, at some point, let go of the shame and the sense of guilt, once you\u2019ve been humble and confessed any sin God reveals to you, and say, \u201cLord, only You can do this in my child\u2019s life as well.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> One of the things that you said was you\u2019ve been walking with this couple, which to me says they\u2019ve opened up their lives. I think, sometimes when we\u2019re in those predicaments, we can hide in shame, feeling like it\u2019s our fault, or feeling depressed, and feeling like we don\u2019t know where to turn. But the fact that you\u2019ve walked with them, I think that\u2019s really key and critical in relationships\u2014that we have someone walking with us, holding our arms up. When we can\u2019t even pray anymore, they\u2019re praying for us and with us in our situations.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> And you know how we do that?\u2014out of our own pain\/out of our own experiences. In this conversation we\u2019ve had over the last few days, multiple times, your eyes have filled up with tears. The listeners can\u2019t see that, but I\u2019m watching you. I don\u2019t know you that well; but as I\u2019m listening to you, I\u2019m thinking: \u201cIf I were in a really hard place, here\u2019s a woman I could talk to. She may not have been <em>exactly<\/em> where I\u2019ve been, but she\u2019s been in some <em>hard<\/em> places\/she\u2019s experienced pain, and she has found God to be faithful in the midst of that pain.\u201d That draws me to you.\n\nOur tears from our own painful experiences\/our own challenges of embracing the mysteries of God\u2019s providence, that\u2019s part of what gives us the tools and resources to be an encouragement and a blessing to others.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s that beauty of fellowship.\n\nI\u2019ll never forget the time I was sharing my testimony; I shared about my sexual abuse\u2014but how God had redeemed it, and God had restored me, and healed me. I got a letter from a woman who said I had glorified Satan that day. I went into my home, and I did not come out; because if there\u2019s anything that could have hurt me more\u2014there couldn\u2019t have been anything that would hurt me more than those words\u2014because I wanted to bring glory to God. I hid in my house.\n\nBut I had shared with my best friend one time, \u201cWhen I get down, I hide and isolate; and I don\u2019t want to talk to anybody.\u201d And isn\u2019t that where Satan does his best work?\u2014when we\u2019re alone and we\u2019re isolated? She would call me and call me, and I wouldn\u2019t pick up. Finally, one day, she\u2019s knocking at the door. I wasn\u2019t going to answer; and she said, \u201cI know you\u2019re in there, hiding; let me in!\u201d\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> That\u2019s a real friend.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Isn\u2019t that a good friend? But we all need those good friends that can love us in the midst of our pain and we\u2019re in the valley. Because sometimes, that\u2019s what helps draw us to Jesus and back into the Word.\n\n<strong>Nancy: <\/strong>Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What a vision the church would be if it was known for that. The community of God\/the people of God would be a place\u2014even unchurched people that don\u2019t believe in God: \u201cI want to run there. I hear those people\u201d\u2014are like you said Ann is\u2014\u201care compassionate; they\u2019ll walk beside you. They won\u2019t judge; they won\u2019t come and tell you what you need to do. They\u2019ll just embrace the mystery of providence of God with you in the middle of that.\u201d I think your book helps people do that\u2014to walk beside.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> They will do what Job\u2019s friends did, at first, instead of what Job\u2019s friends did later; right? They will come and sit in silence and bear the weight with you\u2014\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014be there\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and be very careful. It\u2019s not that we never offer counsel; because admonishing one another or encouraging one another\u2014we\u2019re called to do that\u2014but you got to be very careful and make sure that you are pointing somebody in God\u2019s direction when you do that.\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Yes; I\u2019d love to go back to the prodigal thing for a moment. Of course, we get the word from Luke 15\u2014this young man, who takes off on his own. This was a parable; this wasn\u2019t necessarily a true story, but something happened while he was in a faraway country. His dad\u2014let\u2019s just say\u2014must have done something\/said something\u2014whatever\u2014that the boy believed that, when he came home, his dad would be there. Now, he thought he was going to be a slave and that would have been good enough.\n\nBut I love the idea of doing\u2014even when your kids are very small, and even through the mistakes that you make, as parents\u2014you can draw your kids back, way later, when those seeds take root and your kid is miserable and he\u2019s thinking: \u201cYou know what? My dad loves me, and he would take me if I\u2019d come home.\u201d That\u2019s what you pray for\u2014for your prodigal.\n\nWhat you say to those parents is: \u201cDon\u2019t give up. Be the prodigal\u2019s father\u201d\u2014which is really a picture of God\u2014\u201cof patiently waiting: praying for your kids, longing for them to come home, and then\u201d\u2014listeners can\u2019t see this; but the image is the daddy looking down that lane, with his hand over his eyes, shading the sun, just waiting for his son to come\u2014\u201cand then, of course, we know he hiked up his robes and ran to meet him.\u201d\n\nThat\u2019s what you do, as a parent, of a prodigal: you\u2019re patient. What Nancy just read is right. You can\u2019t do anything about it except: wait patiently, pray like crazy, and be ready for when they come home.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> And related to that prodigal, and some of the people we talked to, I think another important takeaway was for parents to be careful not to rescue their children from the cross\u2014not to try and <em>fix<\/em> or change things to make life <em>easier<\/em> for their child if God\u2019s trying to get the child\u2019s attention and bring that child to Christ and to the gospel.\n\nParents want to fix; they want to change\u2014you know, it\u2019s a mommas heart, \u201cI don\u2019t want my child to hurt.\u201d But it was through the prodigal\u2019s coming to the end of himself and to the end of his resources\u2014that\u2019s what ultimately brought him back home. We\u2019ve heard parents say, \u201cWe need to be careful that we don\u2019t rescue our children from the story God\u2019s trying to write in their lives.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Nancy, how do you trust God though? It\u2019s one thing when you can look at somebody and say, \u201cThe story isn\u2019t over\u201d; but then, what do you do when the prodigal has gone and they die in the foreign field?\u201d When the [prodigal] you have prayed for dies with no evidence of ever having repented, and you think: \u201cHow do I trust God? I prayed all these years; I <em>hoped<\/em> all these years; and now, it would appear that my child\u2026\u201d As a parent, \u201c How do you trust God with this?\u201d\n\n<strong>Robert:<\/strong> So one of the things that you said was: \u201cYou\u2019ve not seen the evidence\u201d; but you don\u2019t know. You don\u2019t know what\u2019s happened in the quietness of the heart of the child in terms of them coming to terms with their own sinfulness. Again, this is the seeds that parents plant; and pray like crazy that the Lord will water that and grow that into some kind of relationship with Him. You don\u2019t know; you don\u2019t know. But that\u2019s why it\u2019s mystery; if we had this figured out, this book wouldn\u2019t be necessary.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> I think, also, we have to come to the place in any of these stories\u2014whether it\u2019s our health, or our finances, or our family, or whatever\u2014that we care more about God\u2019s story, and what He is writing, and what He is doing to redeem this broken world than we care about our own problems being solved.\n\nThat can seem cold-hearted or hard-hearted in the moment of somebody\u2019s pain; but ultimately, we know the judge of all the earth will do right. He will do right; He is going to vindicate righteousness. He\u2019s going to judge the unrighteous, and He is going to be glorified. He is writing a story that, in the consummation of all things, is going to be grand, and glorious, and beautiful. Sometimes the mystery is just trusting: \u201cI can\u2019t see how You\u2019re doing that God, and this makes <em>no sense<\/em> at all to me; but I know that You are good, and You do good.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019ve been thinking, over and over again, as we\u2019ve been talking about this, about that scene in Job, Chapter 2, where after financial ruin and the death of children\u2014\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014<em>ten<\/em> children.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and now disease that has you covered in sores so that you\u2019ve got broken pottery as you try to\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Is this that hard for anybody else to read?\u2014like Job is a difficult book to read.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; sure.\n\n<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Then his wife says to him: \u201cDo you still hold fast to your integrity? Curse God and die.\u201d But he says to her: \u201cYou speak as one of the foolish women would speak. Shall we receive good from God and shall we not receive evil? And in all of this, Job did not sin with his lips\u201d; and then later he says, \u201cThough He slay me, I will still hope in Him.\u201d That\u2019s the kind of trust we\u2019re trying to cultivate\/the kind of faith we\u2019re trying to get to. We say: \u201cWhatever the frowning providence\/whatever the circumstance God is going to bring my way, even if it\u2019s death, I\u2019ll trust Him. He\u2019s good; He knows what\u2019s right,\u201d and \u201cHis plan and His ways are perfect, when mine are imperfect, and flawed, and fallible,\u201d and \u201cMy hope\u2019s going to be in Him all the way to the end.\u201d\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> \u2014not in the circumstance being changed but having hope in God.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, your book is a gift to all of us. In fact, we\u2019re going to keep, at our house, about five copies on hand just so we\u2019ve got them; because already\u2014we had two, and we\u2019re down to one. We\u2019ve got to go replenish the stock.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You\u2019ve already given it out?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We just keep running into people, where we\u2019re going\u2014hearing their story, and we go, \u201cI\u2019ve got a book for you that you need to read.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I was thinking, \u201cIf this book had been out four or five years ago, I would have had 53 of them in the Detroit Lions\u2019 locker room; because we faced a lot of adversity.\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What was the record that season? [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m kidding; 0-16. I\u2019m kidding, because those are trite\u2014they don\u2019t really mean anything\u2014but to <em>them<\/em>, going through an NFL season, where you don\u2019t win a game, it feels heavy; and they needed perspective that there is a God that\u2019s in control and you can trust.\n\nBut obviously, in the <em>real<\/em> battles of life, what a gift to be able to help people walk through that.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And what <em>great<\/em> stories because stories <em>motivate<\/em> us, and <em>move<\/em> us, and <em>change<\/em> us. To read these stories, of God entering in and reminding us of who He is, has been a gift. Thank you.\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We do have copies of Robert and Nancy\u2019s book, <em>You Can Trust God to Write Your Story: Embracing the Mysteries of Providence<\/em>. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order your copy, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY,\u201d to order your copy of the book.\n\nAs we have been talking to Robert and Nancy this week, I\u2019ve been thinking about people, who are facing storms in life\u2014who are trusting God, right now, to write their story\u2014but I\u2019m also thinking about those, who are in a pretty good place and thinking, \u201cWell, it\u2019s smooth sailing; I can kind of relax.\u201d\n\nDavid Robbins, the president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, is here with us. Just because things are going okay doesn\u2019t mean you can relax; does it?\n\n<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes, this conversation is such a gift because seasons of trial, or waiting, or suffering are never too far away in this broken world. I\u2019m caught up in Nancy\u2019s picture she gave us of pouring a foundation to fuel our faith in God\u2019s providence before the storms hit. She said no one pours a foundation in the storm; you pour the foundation during nice days before the storm.\n\nFor me, it\u2019s kind of said: \u201cOkay, what are passages of Scripture I want to memorize anew in this moment\/in this day?\u201d or \u201cWhat are dates I need to take my preteen daughter on, right now, before we\u2019re in the thick of the teenage years?\u201d Also, I\u2019m just kind of convicted\u2014like, \u201cAlright, I want to get back in the rhythm of taking walks with my wife so that we have those rhythms <em>now<\/em> when the next crisis hits.\u201d\n\nI\u2019d just ask you: \u201cWhat is God prompting in your heart as you hear this conversation?\u201d God is good and is faithful toward you, no matter what. Choosing today something that will help you, as the storm comes or as the waves get bigger than they currently are, may make all the difference.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sounds like we\u2019ve looked at your New Year\u2019s resolution list a little bit. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>David:<\/strong> Maybe, I need that; yes. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Thank you, David.\n\nSpeaking of New Year\u2019s resolutions, we\u2019ve got a lot of listeners, who made New Year\u2019s resolutions to spend more time in God\u2019s Word in 2020. We were talking with our friends at Logos, back before the beginning of the year; and we said, \u201cWouldn\u2019t it be cool if we could find a way to get more people using your Bible software?\u2014and if that could be catalytic to people spending more time in God\u2019s Word in the year ahead.\u201d\n\nWe put together a plan to make their Bible software, along with a library of more than $2000 worth of books and resources, available to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners for <em>free<\/em>. Our hope is that having Logos on your computer, or on your mobile phone, or on your mobile devices\/your tablet, that will be catalytic to have you spending more time in God\u2019s Word in the year ahead.\n\nOf course, the folks at Logos are hoping that, once you start using this software, you\u2019ll want to add books to your library. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com; click the link for the Logos Bible software, and you can download the Logos system immediately and start using it <em>today<\/em>. Again, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com, and the link for Logos is right there.\n\nAnd we hope you can join us back tomorrow. We\u2019re going to talk to a husband and wife, who have had to learn how to let God write their story; because God took them through a very difficult circumstance\u2014one where they saw victory, but it was in the midst of tragedy. You\u2019ll meet Tony and Kelly Trent tomorrow as we hear the story of their son, Tyler. I hope you can be with us for that.\n\nI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\nWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. 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