{"id":305645,"date":"2019-12-26T06:00:05","date_gmt":"2019-12-26T11:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/when-healing-is-a-process\/"},"modified":"2019-12-26T06:00:05","modified_gmt":"2019-12-26T11:00:05","slug":"when-healing-is-a-process","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/when-healing-is-a-process\/","title":{"rendered":"When Healing is a Process"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dr. Ren\u00e9 Rochester and her best friend committed to each other they would get yearly mammograms. The year she almost missed it, she was diagnosed with breast cancer. 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Do you know why you\u2019re here?\u201d And she was trying to get me to say that I have cancer. I just\u2014I just couldn\u2019t get it out of my mouth.<\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, December 26<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019ll hear today about Ren\u00e9 Rochester\u2019s journey, battling breast cancer, and about how she is learning to walk closely with Jesus as her journey continues. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us here on the day after Christmas. Hope everybody had a wonderful Christmas celebration. Today, we want you to hear a portion of a conversation that our friend, Kim Anthony, had recently with Dr. Ren\u00e9 Rochester. I don\u2019t know how many of our listeners are listening to podcasts on a regular basis; I know some <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners\u2014this is how you listen to us regularly\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s what we hear quite a bit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014yes, through the app or you download the podcast; you\u2019re signed up for that. FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>has a podcast network; and in addition to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, Ron Deal has a podcast called <em>FamilyLife Blended<\/em>. Kim Anthony has a podcast called <em>Unfavorable Odds. <\/em>On Kim\u2019s podcast, she talks to people who have faced significant adversity in their lives and have found strength in Christ in the face of this adversity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnn, we\u2019re going to hear a portion of a conversation she had with a woman who got a diagnosis that no woman wants to get.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s a fear that every woman does have; and that is, that she finds out she has breast cancer. I\u2019m telling you\u2014every woman listening, if you\u2019ve had a mammogram, there\u2019s a sense of unrest, nervousness, and fear as you sit in that room, waiting to go in. Ren\u00e9 faced her greatest fear with her diagnosis. I think we often think, \u201cWhat would I do if I had bad news?\u201d So it\u2019ll be interesting to hear this story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019re going to dive right into the first part of the interview that Kim did with Ren\u00e9 Rochester for the <em>Unfavorable Odds<\/em> podcast. If you want to hear the entire conversation, this is Episode 14; and we\u2019ve got a link on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com so you can listen to Kim\u2019s conversation with Ren\u00e9 Rochester. But we\u2019re going to pick things up where Ren\u00e9 got her initial diagnosis and began to become concerned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[<em>Unfavorable Odds <\/em>Podcast]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ren\u00e9:<\/strong> It was November. Actually, it was late October, of 2016, and we <em>almost<\/em> skipped. \u201cWe\u2019ve been good the last five years. We\u2019re both getting a little older, so we probably don\u2019t need to go.\u201d We had decided we\u2019re probably not going to go; and then she said, \u201cNo, just go ahead and go.\u201d We went; she couldn\u2019t get in, but I could get in. She goes, \u201cI\u2019ll just go later; you go today.\u201d I said, \u201cOkay, whatever!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe left and I went and did my little mammogram thing. That was on the 21<sup>st<\/sup> of October; and then I get a call back and something in the mail, saying: \u201cWe need you to return. We need to do another test. We saw some things we didn\u2019t like,\u201d whatever. So I go back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong> Okay, bring me in to what you\u2019re feeling when you see the letter\/you get the call.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ren\u00e9:<\/strong> Oh boy. Well, in all honesty, initially, I thought, \u201cIt\u2019s probably just scar tissue\u2014just something.\u201d Yes, I didn\u2019t know it was really any big deal. Sometimes it can be just small little tumors that are benign, because I had had a benign tumor on my left breast years ago\u2014no big deal. Sometimes they\u2019ll just see things; and so I thought, \u201cAh, no big deal. We\u2019ll just go in and take care of it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI went back, still not thinking really anything. I go in; this time, they do another mammogram; but he said they wanted to do an ultrasound. I go back in for the ultrasound after they did the mammogram. I\u2019m kind of lying back, and I could see out of my right eye\u2014I\u2019m looking at his face, and I\u2019m looking at the nurse\u2019s face. They\u2019re trying just to be, I guess, stoic and act like they don\u2019t see nothing. But you know, I\u2019m looking at their faces, like \u201cHmm, they don\u2019t look\u2014hmm.\u201d He looked real concerned, and I felt that in my gut. I thought, \u201cSomething\u2019s not right.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI didn\u2019t know what the \u201csomething\u2019s not right\u201d is because he still wasn\u2019t saying anything, because they don\u2019t want to share anything while they\u2019re doing the testing; because it\u2019s non-definitive at that time. But I knew something wasn\u2019t right by the look on his face and by what I was feeling. My heart started racing a little bit; I\u2019m thinking, \u201cOkay, what\u2019s the deal?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe says, \u201cWe need to check the [ultrasound], and we\u2019ll get back with you.\u201d That was on the 7<sup>th<\/sup> of November. Then on the 9<sup>th<\/sup>, he says: \u201cOkay, we did the ultrasound. I think we need to do a biopsy. We see some tissue here that just doesn\u2019t look right.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo in the meantime, I do a Monday night Bible study with my women. We had been studying about your faith walk is not just for you. We\u2019re talking about the woman with the issue of blood and Jairus\u2019 daughter, who was sick unto the point of death\u2014and just how, if he had not gone to Jesus, the woman with the issue of blood wouldn\u2019t have been healed and if she had not said to Him what had happened. He turns to her and says: \u201cWoman, your faith has made you whole. Go in peace.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen He turns around and immediately the Bible says He hears the people coming over the hill, saying: \u201cDon\u2019t bother the teacher anymore. Your daughter has died.\u201d Jesus looked at him and He said, \u201cDon\u2019t be afraid. Only believe.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI knew then, when we were teaching that Bible study, while I\u2019m waiting on the results of the biopsy\u2014because I had to go in for a biopsy the following\u2014I guess it was on the 9<sup>th<\/sup>. They just started moving real quickly. So I had a Monday night Bible study prior to getting a diagnosis. I just told the women\u2014I said: \u201cWe\u2019re just going to believe the Lord that it\u2019s really not anything,\u201d and then we\u2019d been walking through that faith journey piece in the Word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI get a call that day, the following week. I\u2019m on my way to work, and I usually pray with Annita every morning. I\u2019m calling her and her phone\u2014she\u2019s not picking up. I keep getting her voicemail. I\u2019m like: \u201cWhat is wrong! She knows I call her in the morning. Why isn\u2019t she picking up the phone?!\u201d I was a little irritated with her actually. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI finally get through. She [Annita] goes [sounds sorrowful], \u201cHello\u201d; and I\u2019m like \u201cWhat is wrong with you?\u201d [Speaking sorrowfully] \u201cI just talked to Steven. He needs to get ahold of you at work. He\u2019s going to call you at work.\u201d I said, \u201cStop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.\u201d I said, \u201cWhat is wrong with you?\u201d \u201cSteven heard from the doctor.\u201d I said, \u201cOkay\u201d; and <em>she<\/em> couldn\u2019t press him. He just could tell\u2014only thing he could say to her: \u201cIt wasn\u2019t good news.\u201d [I said,] \u201cThey got the results?\u201d She said [sorrowfully], \u201cYes.\u201d I said \u201cOkay.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s all I said really, for about the first month, Kim\u2014was \u201cOkay,\u201d because I didn\u2019t know what was next. I just said \u201cOkay.\u201d She said, \u201cHe\u2019s going to call you because it wasn\u2019t good.\u201d I said, \u201cOkay!\u201d She was so upset. Now, mind you, she had lost a sister 10 years ago, and I\u2019m like a sister to her. We are so close, and we\u2019ve been journeying together with Jesus for over 20 years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe calls me and he said: \u201cThis is what\u2019s going on. It\u2019s an invasive mammary carcinoma.\u201d All I heard was the invasive piece. I\u2019m like, \u201cThe devil is a liar,\u201d in my mind and I\u2019m thinking; but my heart\u2019s racing 100 miles an hour. Then I stopped for a minute, I said, \u201cOkay,\u201d again. I guess every time I was saying, \u201cOkay,\u201d the Lord was just telling me, \u201cIt\u2019s going to be okay,\u201d\u2014didn\u2019t know that then\u2014\u201cBut it\u2019s okay.\u201d I just wanted to know, \u201cWhat\u2019s the next step?\u201d He [Steven] says, \u201cYou\u2019re going to get a call today, probably two calls.\u201d He said: \u201cWe\u2019re not waiting on this. It\u2019s very invasive. We\u2019re moving swiftly.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSure enough, I parked in the parking lot at work. I get out of the car. I hadn\u2019t been out of the car for about, maybe, five minutes\u2014unloading my stuff\u2014still trying to process what I just heard, and then the phone rings. I got the phone call from the oncologist. She said, \u201cYou\u2019re going to get a call from Vanderbilt,\u201d\u2014no, actually, Vanderbilt called first and then the oncologist called me. This thing is moving; I hadn\u2019t even gotten into the building yet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the time I got into the building, they had scheduled my next meeting to go in to meet with the surgeon. That\u2019s how fast we were moving. I walked in the building; I stood there for a second. One of my colleagues was there; she goes, \u201cYou okay?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cNo!\u201d She goes, \u201cWhat?\u201d \u201cI\u2014I\u201d\u2014I said\u2014\u201cI have cancer; huh?!\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what I said, literally\u2014no tears, no nothing\u2014just \u201cHuh?!\u201d because I didn\u2019t know what to do with it. It was kind of like [explosion sound]. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI walked in; I told my headmaster\u2014I said \u201cListen, this is what happened this morning.\u201d He said: \u201cMy goodness! Do you want me to tell your students?\u201d I said, \u201cNo sir.\u201d I said, \u201cI need to tell them.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, let me step in here. We\u2019ve been listening to an excerpt from an interview that Kim Anthony did for the <em>Unfavorable Odds<\/em> podcast that\u2019s part of the FamilyLife Podcast Network\u2014a conversation with Dr. Ren\u00e9 Rochester, where Dr. Rochester received her diagnosis that she indeed had breast cancer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had to wonder, Ann, how many listeners were hearing her story and thinking, \u201cI remember the day I got my diagnosis.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014or remember the day one of their loved ones or friend was diagnosed, and they found the news. My sister, at 44, called me to tell me\u2014and she\u2019s in perfect health\u2014she said, \u201cI want you to know that I went to the gynecologist.\u201d They\u2019d heard some fluid in her lungs, and they took some fluid out; and she was diagnosed with lung cancer, stage four.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh my word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It just hits you. You don\u2019t even know how to process it. I think, as I listened to Ren\u00e9, I\u2019m thinking that same thing. She didn\u2019t know how to process it; and I\u2019m sure the people around her were trying to struggle with: \u201cHow do we process?\u201d and \u201cHow do we bring God into this?\u201d It\u2019s hard; it\u2019s really hard.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is where you need community. This is where you need people around you, who can walk this path with you; because this is a hard path to walk.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You know what I love? I love her relationship with her best friend.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That part for me was just like: \u201cYes! She has someone to walk beside her; to carry her; to pray for her, besides Jesus.\u201d That is such a healing for our souls and help.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019re going to pick things back up where Kim began to interact with Ren\u00e9 about how she worked through the news of the diagnosis and how she counseled her own heart and soul in the midst of that. Here\u2019s another excerpt from Kim Anthony\u2019s podcast, <em>Unfavorable Odds<\/em>, with Dr. Ren\u00e9 Rochester.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[<em>Unfavorable Odds <\/em>Podcast]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong> Now, you said something that stood out to me. You said that either the Lord is going to heal you on this side of heaven or the other side of heaven. When you said it, it was just matter of fact, which makes me think that you were okay with this; it wasn\u2019t a struggle for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ren\u00e9:<\/strong> I think, where I am now of understanding and being on the side of where I am in the journey, I knew that He was <em>Rapha<\/em>\u2014no doubt in my mind. I could quote all the Scriptures. Sometimes you know in your heart and your head what is right, but your emotions have to catch up with what you know in your gut is true. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt night, I would lie in bed, \u201cNow, Father, if this is what You have, I don\u2019t understand it; but I know <em>You<\/em> are faithful.\u201d I had gotten a call from a couple of people. Different ones, really, felt\u2014I remember talking to Madeline Mims and she said, \u201cI believe this will be a story for God\u2019s glory, and whether\u201d\u2014like I said: I have seen people\/I\u2019ve prayed for people\u2014I\u2019ve seen them healed on this side of glory, and I\u2019ve prayed for people and I\u2019ve seen them healed on the other side of glory. So what I did with my Bible study\u2014and I tell you my mother\u2019s a woman of faith. She just started believing that He is <em>Rapha<\/em>; and she said to me\u2014she goes: \u201cI wish it were me, but it\u2019s not. But I\u2019m believing God to restore you whole.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had people praying for me to be restored, whole, on this side of glory; but we hold to the truth of God\u2019s Word that says it\u2019s not up to us to know the times or seasons of God, which He\u2019s fixed by His own authority. I said, \u201cBut while I have breath to breathe, I\u2019m going to believe that He\u2019s able.\u201d Now, how that turns out\u2014and I think what we think a lot of times\u2014people pray for healing, expecting a miracle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd they\u2019re two different things. The Lord spoke very clearly to my heart, from the Scripture, as we were doing Bible study, that this was going to be a faith walk. I didn\u2019t know how long the walk was going to be, how long a journey it was going to be, if the journey was going to continue on the other side of glory\u2014all I knew is: \u201cHe said it\u2019s a faith walk, and it\u2019s going to be okay; but this is going to be a journey. It\u2019s not going to be [clap] a presto-chango.\u201d I think miracles are instantaneous; but one of the words for healing is the [Greek] word, <em>therapeuo<\/em>, which means therapy; and you don\u2019t just go one time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong> What was the type of treatment you received?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ren\u00e9:<\/strong> Okay, well I went in November 18<sup>th<\/sup> and I had\u2014here\u2019s my trio: I had Annita, my mother, and my younger sister with me\u2014all three of us, trying to march in together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong> Your entourage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ren\u00e9:<\/strong> Yes, we go in together: \u201cSurely goodness and mercy follow me all the days of my life\u201d; no anyway. [Laughter] But we go in and, in all honesty, Kim, I was nervous; but I had a peace. I giggled about stuff, and she [oncologist] was so personable; and we laughed. My mother got tickled, because when she told me she was from Chile, I started speaking a little Spanish. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe looked; and my mother and sister looked at each other, because they don\u2019t know like how I roll, you know, when I\u2019m in\u2014I said, \u201cYes.\u201d I said, \u201cJ<em>esucristo sana mi coraz\u00f3n<\/em>,\u201d: \u201cJesus Christ heals my heart\u201d; because she told\u2014you know, because the hardest thing for me in that meeting\u2014with her nurse, even before she got in there\u2014is that she asked the question, \u201cDo you know why you\u2019re here?\u201d and I said, \u201cYes.\u201d She goes \u201cWhy are you here?\u201d I said, \u201cI\u2019m here because I got test results that didn\u2019t look clear.\u201d She goes, \u201cI\u2019ll ask you again. Do you know why you\u2019re here?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd she was trying to get me to say\u2014I could see my mother and them looking at me\u2014and she was trying to get me to say that: \u201cI have cancer,\u201d and I just couldn\u2019t get it out of my mouth at first. I went, \u201cOh, well, the cells were cancerous.\u201d She said \u201cOkay, now we can begin.\u201d I was like, \u201cOh boy, here we go!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong> Why did you think it was important for you to say that word?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ren\u00e9:<\/strong> They want you to own the fact of the reality of where you are. The Word tells us to \u201cBe anxious about nothing but in everything, with prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God; and He\u2019ll give you a peace that surpasses your comprehension. He\u2019ll guard your heart and your mind in Christ Jesus.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou talk about the reality: \u201cNow, Father, we\u2019ve got some problems here. Now, I know you know; I know you know, <em>but<\/em> I\u2019m not there yet!\u201d I wasn\u2019t ready to embrace it, I guess, in my mind; but when I had to say it out of my mouth, it was like \u201cOkay\u201d; then everything started moving in fast motion. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong> What do you say to those people, who believe that <em>because you said it<\/em>, that did something to create more of a problem?\u2014those people who say: \u201cWell, you know what? I refuse to say that I\u2019m sick. I refuse to say that I have cancer,\u201d\u2014or any other disease\u2014\u201cbecause I\u2019m,\u201d\u2014I guess\u2014\u201cspeaking that into existence.\u201d [Laughter] I might be getting myself in trouble asking this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ren\u00e9:<\/strong> No, no girl; because I\u2019m going to go right down that street with you; because, like I said, I\u2019m a faith woman: I love the Lord, Holy Ghost-filled, love the Word of God, pray the Word of God, believe the Word of God. I do believe that death and life are in the power of the tongue\u2014I know that Scripture\u2014but I think we have to look at the text in its context. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I said, out of my mouth\u2014she\u2019s trying to get me to own the fact of what I have: \u201cYou have cancer.\u201d Right now, there are cancer cells in my body. I know God is the healer of cancer; but currently, in this present state, cancer cells are there. I can\u2019t deny that, so what do we do with that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, sometimes, when we grab things and just run with it\u2014because \u201cWell, the Bible says\u2026\u201d\u2014but look at the text in its context. If this little earth suit wasn\u2019t a reality, Jesus wouldn\u2019t have come in an earth suit. God sent His Son in an earth suit. It says in Hebrews 5:7\u2014it says, \u201cIn the days of His flesh.\u201d The Bible says, \u201cHe offered up loud crying and tears to the only One who was able to save Him, and He was heard because of His piety.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think for us\u2014we forget about His humanity, trying to safeguard His deity. He says, \u201cYou can be of good cheer because I have overcome the world.\u201d He overcame it so we can overcome it. So what we do now\u2014we follow suit with what He did. He offered up\u2014it says\u2014loud crying and tears, so there were days that he had to cry out to God. There were days he cried; there were days He mourned; there were days He got angry, but He did not sin. We have to be <em>honest<\/em> with what comes our way, but we take it to the One who is the healer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf I\u2019m a faith-believing\/faith-talking woman, when the cancer is recognized as an enemy coming in my camp, now I\u2019ve got to know how to strategically fight against that cancer. It\u2019s not that: \u201cYou\u2019re going\u2014you\u2019re confessing; you\u2019re confessing\u2026\u201d\u2014no, no, no. Confess\u2014the word is <em>homologous<\/em>: \u201cto say the same thing as.\u201d When you confess that He is <em>Rapha<\/em> in the midst of your cancer. He only can be the Healer if He has something to heal, so you have to admit you have something to heal for Him to be the Healer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, again, I hate to break in. We\u2019ve been listening to a portion of a conversation that Kim Anthony had with Dr. Ren\u00e9 Rochester about processing her own diagnosis with breast cancer. There is always that dilemma of knowing that our God is the Great Physician, who <em>can<\/em> heal whatever He chooses to heal; but in this life there are a lot of things we look at and go, \u201cLord, why didn\u2019t You heal that one?\u201d We don\u2019t understand the purposes and the mind of God; but we have to trust that He knows what He\u2019s doing, and what He is doing is right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And I think what she said, \u201cHe will heal me\u2014on either this side of heaven or the next,\u201d and that is true. He is the Healer and He will. We just don\u2019t know which way it will happen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s hard to really process that because we all want to be healed on this side of heaven, and we want our loved ones healed on this side of heaven. I will say, as I watch people\u2014and I watched my sister struggle with lung cancer, and she was only 44\u2014the thing that struck me was her dependence on God: her dependence on the Holy Spirit\/her dependence on God\u2019s Word coming alive in her; because she could have just mourned and grieved, which you have to do. But it could have taken her to a point, where she couldn\u2019t even take a breath because of the fear; and yet, she would put on praise music. Do you remember this Dave?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> She would put on praise music. She would watch this worship and listen; and she couldn\u2019t stand up, but she would have me help her stand up. She would lift her hands, and she said it was like it took her to a whole other world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And did God take her home?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He did. He took her home; and He healed her on the other side of heaven, and she\u2019s with Him. But to watch her cling to Him was one of the greatest things I\u2019ve ever witnessed in terms of courage, and bravery, and dependence on God through the good and through the bad.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I have to imagine listeners listening to this\u2014this has been a hard interview for some of them to listen to. Some of them are going to want to hear the entire conversation, which you can do. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com; and there\u2019s a link there to the FamilyLife Podcast Network, which includes, not only Kim Anthony\u2019s podcast, <em>Unfavorable Odds<\/em>; but also Ron Deal\u2019s podcast, <em>FamilyLife Blended; <\/em>and the <em>Married with Benefits<\/em> podcast with Brian Goins and Shaunti Feldhahn. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can also listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> as a podcast. If that\u2019s easier for you to subscribe to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> as a podcast, that\u2019s easy to do. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the link for the FamilyLife Podcast Network page. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDid I also mention you can listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> on your smart speaker? You can train it to listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. If you got a smart speaker for Christmas, that should be one of the first things you do with it; right? Again, there\u2019s more information available about all of this\u2014go to FamilyLifeToday.com. We have resources listed there to help you if you are in the midst of a journey like the one we\u2019ve heard about today from Ren\u00e9 Rochester. There\u2019s a great book by Jerry Sittser called <em>A Grace Disguised<\/em> that you can order from us, or a book called <em>Therefore I Have Hope: 12 Truths That Comfort, Sustain, and Redeem You in Tragedy<\/em>. Now you can check those out, again, on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then keep in mind there\u2019s less than a week to go now before it\u2019s 2020. That means there\u2019s less than a week for us to try to take full advantage of the special matching gift that has been offered to us during the month of December. Every donation we receive between now and next Tuesday is going to be matched, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $3 million. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe still have a long way to go to get there; so if you have thought about yearend giving\u2014if God has used the ministry of FamilyLife: this radio program, our events, our resources, our website\u2014if God\u2019s using this in your life, your marriage, and your family, would you consider making as generous a yearend contribution as possible?\u2014knowing that donation is going to be matched, dollar for dollar, when you give today. You can donate, online, at FamilyLIfeToday.com; or you can call to donate at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re able to donate $50 or more, ask to receive the new devotional for couples called <em>The Story of Us<\/em> that FamilyLife has produced. Again, thank you for your support. Pray for us; will you?\u2014that we will be able to take full advantage of this matching-gift opportunity between now and when the year ends Tuesday night.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I hope you can join us back tomorrow when we\u2019re going to talk about how we can help our kids understand and grow in the fruit of the Spirit. How do we help them get their arms around this concept and begin to cultivate this fruit of the Spirit in their lives? Josh and Christi Straub are going to join us tomorrow. 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Ren\u00e9 Rochester and her best friend committed to each other they would get yearly mammograms. The year she almost missed it, she was diagnosed with breast cancer. Dr. Rochester discusses how God sustained her.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2019-12-26.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>After a mammogram, <a id=\"_Hlk27035270\">Ren\u00e9<\/a> Rochester\u2019s doctor sat down with Ren\u00e9 in her office.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ren\u00e9:<\/strong> <a id=\"_Hlk21341423\">She asked the question, \u201cDo you know why you\u2019re here?\u201d I said, \u201cI\u2019m here because I got test results that didn\u2019t look clear.\u201d She said: \u201cI\u2019ll ask you again. Do you know why you\u2019re here?\u201d And she was trying to get me to say that I have cancer. I just\u2014I just couldn\u2019t get it out of my mouth.<\/a>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, December 26<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. You can find us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019ll hear today about Ren\u00e9 Rochester\u2019s journey, battling breast cancer, and about how she is learning to walk closely with Jesus as her journey continues. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us here on the day after Christmas. Hope everybody had a wonderful Christmas celebration. Today, we want you to hear a portion of a conversation that our friend, Kim Anthony, had recently with Dr. Ren\u00e9 Rochester. I don\u2019t know how many of our listeners are listening to podcasts on a regular basis; I know some <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners\u2014this is how you listen to us regularly\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s what we hear quite a bit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014yes, through the app or you download the podcast; you\u2019re signed up for that. FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>has a podcast network; and in addition to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, Ron Deal has a podcast called <em>FamilyLife Blended<\/em>. Kim Anthony has a podcast called <em>Unfavorable Odds. <\/em>On Kim\u2019s podcast, she talks to people who have faced significant adversity in their lives and have found strength in Christ in the face of this adversity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnn, we\u2019re going to hear a portion of a conversation she had with a woman who got a diagnosis that no woman wants to get.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s a fear that every woman does have; and that is, that she finds out she has breast cancer. I\u2019m telling you\u2014every woman listening, if you\u2019ve had a mammogram, there\u2019s a sense of unrest, nervousness, and fear as you sit in that room, waiting to go in. Ren\u00e9 faced her greatest fear with her diagnosis. I think we often think, \u201cWhat would I do if I had bad news?\u201d So it\u2019ll be interesting to hear this story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019re going to dive right into the first part of the interview that Kim did with Ren\u00e9 Rochester for the <em>Unfavorable Odds<\/em> podcast. If you want to hear the entire conversation, this is Episode 14; and we\u2019ve got a link on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com so you can listen to Kim\u2019s conversation with Ren\u00e9 Rochester. But we\u2019re going to pick things up where Ren\u00e9 got her initial diagnosis and began to become concerned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[<em>Unfavorable Odds <\/em>Podcast]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ren\u00e9:<\/strong> It was November. Actually, it was late October, of 2016, and we <em>almost<\/em> skipped. \u201cWe\u2019ve been good the last five years. We\u2019re both getting a little older, so we probably don\u2019t need to go.\u201d We had decided we\u2019re probably not going to go; and then she said, \u201cNo, just go ahead and go.\u201d We went; she couldn\u2019t get in, but I could get in. She goes, \u201cI\u2019ll just go later; you go today.\u201d I said, \u201cOkay, whatever!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe left and I went and did my little mammogram thing. That was on the 21<sup>st<\/sup> of October; and then I get a call back and something in the mail, saying: \u201cWe need you to return. We need to do another test. We saw some things we didn\u2019t like,\u201d whatever. So I go back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong> Okay, bring me in to what you\u2019re feeling when you see the letter\/you get the call.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ren\u00e9:<\/strong> Oh boy. Well, in all honesty, initially, I thought, \u201cIt\u2019s probably just scar tissue\u2014just something.\u201d Yes, I didn\u2019t know it was really any big deal. Sometimes it can be just small little tumors that are benign, because I had had a benign tumor on my left breast years ago\u2014no big deal. Sometimes they\u2019ll just see things; and so I thought, \u201cAh, no big deal. We\u2019ll just go in and take care of it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI went back, still not thinking really anything. I go in; this time, they do another mammogram; but he said they wanted to do an ultrasound. I go back in for the ultrasound after they did the mammogram. I\u2019m kind of lying back, and I could see out of my right eye\u2014I\u2019m looking at his face, and I\u2019m looking at the nurse\u2019s face. They\u2019re trying just to be, I guess, stoic and act like they don\u2019t see nothing. But you know, I\u2019m looking at their faces, like \u201cHmm, they don\u2019t look\u2014hmm.\u201d He looked real concerned, and I felt that in my gut. I thought, \u201cSomething\u2019s not right.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI didn\u2019t know what the \u201csomething\u2019s not right\u201d is because he still wasn\u2019t saying anything, because they don\u2019t want to share anything while they\u2019re doing the testing; because it\u2019s non-definitive at that time. But I knew something wasn\u2019t right by the look on his face and by what I was feeling. My heart started racing a little bit; I\u2019m thinking, \u201cOkay, what\u2019s the deal?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe says, \u201cWe need to check the [ultrasound], and we\u2019ll get back with you.\u201d That was on the 7<sup>th<\/sup> of November. Then on the 9<sup>th<\/sup>, he says: \u201cOkay, we did the ultrasound. I think we need to do a biopsy. We see some tissue here that just doesn\u2019t look right.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo in the meantime, I do a Monday night Bible study with my women. We had been studying about your faith walk is not just for you. We\u2019re talking about the woman with the issue of blood and Jairus\u2019 daughter, who was sick unto the point of death\u2014and just how, if he had not gone to Jesus, the woman with the issue of blood wouldn\u2019t have been healed and if she had not said to Him what had happened. He turns to her and says: \u201cWoman, your faith has made you whole. Go in peace.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen He turns around and immediately the Bible says He hears the people coming over the hill, saying: \u201cDon\u2019t bother the teacher anymore. Your daughter has died.\u201d Jesus looked at him and He said, \u201cDon\u2019t be afraid. Only believe.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI knew then, when we were teaching that Bible study, while I\u2019m waiting on the results of the biopsy\u2014because I had to go in for a biopsy the following\u2014I guess it was on the 9<sup>th<\/sup>. They just started moving real quickly. So I had a Monday night Bible study prior to getting a diagnosis. I just told the women\u2014I said: \u201cWe\u2019re just going to believe the Lord that it\u2019s really not anything,\u201d and then we\u2019d been walking through that faith journey piece in the Word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI get a call that day, the following week. I\u2019m on my way to work, and I usually pray with Annita every morning. I\u2019m calling her and her phone\u2014she\u2019s not picking up. I keep getting her voicemail. I\u2019m like: \u201cWhat is wrong! She knows I call her in the morning. Why isn\u2019t she picking up the phone?!\u201d I was a little irritated with her actually. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI finally get through. She [Annita] goes [sounds sorrowful], \u201cHello\u201d; and I\u2019m like \u201cWhat is wrong with you?\u201d [Speaking sorrowfully] \u201cI just talked to Steven. He needs to get ahold of you at work. He\u2019s going to call you at work.\u201d I said, \u201cStop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.\u201d I said, \u201cWhat is wrong with you?\u201d \u201cSteven heard from the doctor.\u201d I said, \u201cOkay\u201d; and <em>she<\/em> couldn\u2019t press him. He just could tell\u2014only thing he could say to her: \u201cIt wasn\u2019t good news.\u201d [I said,] \u201cThey got the results?\u201d She said [sorrowfully], \u201cYes.\u201d I said \u201cOkay.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s all I said really, for about the first month, Kim\u2014was \u201cOkay,\u201d because I didn\u2019t know what was next. I just said \u201cOkay.\u201d She said, \u201cHe\u2019s going to call you because it wasn\u2019t good.\u201d I said, \u201cOkay!\u201d She was so upset. Now, mind you, she had lost a sister 10 years ago, and I\u2019m like a sister to her. We are so close, and we\u2019ve been journeying together with Jesus for over 20 years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe calls me and he said: \u201cThis is what\u2019s going on. It\u2019s an invasive mammary carcinoma.\u201d All I heard was the invasive piece. I\u2019m like, \u201cThe devil is a liar,\u201d in my mind and I\u2019m thinking; but my heart\u2019s racing 100 miles an hour. Then I stopped for a minute, I said, \u201cOkay,\u201d again. I guess every time I was saying, \u201cOkay,\u201d the Lord was just telling me, \u201cIt\u2019s going to be okay,\u201d\u2014didn\u2019t know that then\u2014\u201cBut it\u2019s okay.\u201d I just wanted to know, \u201cWhat\u2019s the next step?\u201d He [Steven] says, \u201cYou\u2019re going to get a call today, probably two calls.\u201d He said: \u201cWe\u2019re not waiting on this. It\u2019s very invasive. We\u2019re moving swiftly.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSure enough, I parked in the parking lot at work. I get out of the car. I hadn\u2019t been out of the car for about, maybe, five minutes\u2014unloading my stuff\u2014still trying to process what I just heard, and then the phone rings. I got the phone call from the oncologist. She said, \u201cYou\u2019re going to get a call from Vanderbilt,\u201d\u2014no, actually, Vanderbilt called first and then the oncologist called me. This thing is moving; I hadn\u2019t even gotten into the building yet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the time I got into the building, they had scheduled my next meeting to go in to meet with the surgeon. That\u2019s how fast we were moving. I walked in the building; I stood there for a second. One of my colleagues was there; she goes, \u201cYou okay?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cNo!\u201d She goes, \u201cWhat?\u201d \u201cI\u2014I\u201d\u2014I said\u2014\u201cI have cancer; huh?!\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what I said, literally\u2014no tears, no nothing\u2014just \u201cHuh?!\u201d because I didn\u2019t know what to do with it. It was kind of like [explosion sound]. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI walked in; I told my headmaster\u2014I said \u201cListen, this is what happened this morning.\u201d He said: \u201cMy goodness! Do you want me to tell your students?\u201d I said, \u201cNo sir.\u201d I said, \u201cI need to tell them.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, let me step in here. We\u2019ve been listening to an excerpt from an interview that Kim Anthony did for the <em>Unfavorable Odds<\/em> podcast that\u2019s part of the FamilyLife Podcast Network\u2014a conversation with Dr. Ren\u00e9 Rochester, where Dr. Rochester received her diagnosis that she indeed had breast cancer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had to wonder, Ann, how many listeners were hearing her story and thinking, \u201cI remember the day I got my diagnosis.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014or remember the day one of their loved ones or friend was diagnosed, and they found the news. My sister, at 44, called me to tell me\u2014and she\u2019s in perfect health\u2014she said, \u201cI want you to know that I went to the gynecologist.\u201d They\u2019d heard some fluid in her lungs, and they took some fluid out; and she was diagnosed with lung cancer, stage four.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh my word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It just hits you. You don\u2019t even know how to process it. I think, as I listened to Ren\u00e9, I\u2019m thinking that same thing. She didn\u2019t know how to process it; and I\u2019m sure the people around her were trying to struggle with: \u201cHow do we process?\u201d and \u201cHow do we bring God into this?\u201d It\u2019s hard; it\u2019s really hard.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is where you need community. This is where you need people around you, who can walk this path with you; because this is a hard path to walk.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You know what I love? I love her relationship with her best friend.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That part for me was just like: \u201cYes! She has someone to walk beside her; to carry her; to pray for her, besides Jesus.\u201d That is such a healing for our souls and help.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019re going to pick things back up where Kim began to interact with Ren\u00e9 about how she worked through the news of the diagnosis and how she counseled her own heart and soul in the midst of that. Here\u2019s another excerpt from Kim Anthony\u2019s podcast, <em>Unfavorable Odds<\/em>, with Dr. Ren\u00e9 Rochester.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[<em>Unfavorable Odds <\/em>Podcast]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong> Now, you said something that stood out to me. You said that either the Lord is going to heal you on this side of heaven or the other side of heaven. When you said it, it was just matter of fact, which makes me think that you were okay with this; it wasn\u2019t a struggle for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ren\u00e9:<\/strong> I think, where I am now of understanding and being on the side of where I am in the journey, I knew that He was <em>Rapha<\/em>\u2014no doubt in my mind. I could quote all the Scriptures. Sometimes you know in your heart and your head what is right, but your emotions have to catch up with what you know in your gut is true. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt night, I would lie in bed, \u201cNow, Father, if this is what You have, I don\u2019t understand it; but I know <em>You<\/em> are faithful.\u201d I had gotten a call from a couple of people. Different ones, really, felt\u2014I remember talking to Madeline Mims and she said, \u201cI believe this will be a story for God\u2019s glory, and whether\u201d\u2014like I said: I have seen people\/I\u2019ve prayed for people\u2014I\u2019ve seen them healed on this side of glory, and I\u2019ve prayed for people and I\u2019ve seen them healed on the other side of glory. So what I did with my Bible study\u2014and I tell you my mother\u2019s a woman of faith. She just started believing that He is <em>Rapha<\/em>; and she said to me\u2014she goes: \u201cI wish it were me, but it\u2019s not. But I\u2019m believing God to restore you whole.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had people praying for me to be restored, whole, on this side of glory; but we hold to the truth of God\u2019s Word that says it\u2019s not up to us to know the times or seasons of God, which He\u2019s fixed by His own authority. I said, \u201cBut while I have breath to breathe, I\u2019m going to believe that He\u2019s able.\u201d Now, how that turns out\u2014and I think what we think a lot of times\u2014people pray for healing, expecting a miracle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd they\u2019re two different things. The Lord spoke very clearly to my heart, from the Scripture, as we were doing Bible study, that this was going to be a faith walk. I didn\u2019t know how long the walk was going to be, how long a journey it was going to be, if the journey was going to continue on the other side of glory\u2014all I knew is: \u201cHe said it\u2019s a faith walk, and it\u2019s going to be okay; but this is going to be a journey. It\u2019s not going to be [clap] a presto-chango.\u201d I think miracles are instantaneous; but one of the words for healing is the [Greek] word, <em>therapeuo<\/em>, which means therapy; and you don\u2019t just go one time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong> What was the type of treatment you received?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ren\u00e9:<\/strong> Okay, well I went in November 18<sup>th<\/sup> and I had\u2014here\u2019s my trio: I had Annita, my mother, and my younger sister with me\u2014all three of us, trying to march in together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong> Your entourage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ren\u00e9:<\/strong> Yes, we go in together: \u201cSurely goodness and mercy follow me all the days of my life\u201d; no anyway. [Laughter] But we go in and, in all honesty, Kim, I was nervous; but I had a peace. I giggled about stuff, and she [oncologist] was so personable; and we laughed. My mother got tickled, because when she told me she was from Chile, I started speaking a little Spanish. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe looked; and my mother and sister looked at each other, because they don\u2019t know like how I roll, you know, when I\u2019m in\u2014I said, \u201cYes.\u201d I said, \u201cJ<em>esucristo sana mi coraz\u00f3n<\/em>,\u201d: \u201cJesus Christ heals my heart\u201d; because she told\u2014you know, because the hardest thing for me in that meeting\u2014with her nurse, even before she got in there\u2014is that she asked the question, \u201cDo you know why you\u2019re here?\u201d and I said, \u201cYes.\u201d She goes \u201cWhy are you here?\u201d I said, \u201cI\u2019m here because I got test results that didn\u2019t look clear.\u201d She goes, \u201cI\u2019ll ask you again. Do you know why you\u2019re here?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd she was trying to get me to say\u2014I could see my mother and them looking at me\u2014and she was trying to get me to say that: \u201cI have cancer,\u201d and I just couldn\u2019t get it out of my mouth at first. I went, \u201cOh, well, the cells were cancerous.\u201d She said \u201cOkay, now we can begin.\u201d I was like, \u201cOh boy, here we go!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong> Why did you think it was important for you to say that word?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ren\u00e9:<\/strong> They want you to own the fact of the reality of where you are. The Word tells us to \u201cBe anxious about nothing but in everything, with prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God; and He\u2019ll give you a peace that surpasses your comprehension. He\u2019ll guard your heart and your mind in Christ Jesus.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou talk about the reality: \u201cNow, Father, we\u2019ve got some problems here. Now, I know you know; I know you know, <em>but<\/em> I\u2019m not there yet!\u201d I wasn\u2019t ready to embrace it, I guess, in my mind; but when I had to say it out of my mouth, it was like \u201cOkay\u201d; then everything started moving in fast motion. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong> What do you say to those people, who believe that <em>because you said it<\/em>, that did something to create more of a problem?\u2014those people who say: \u201cWell, you know what? I refuse to say that I\u2019m sick. I refuse to say that I have cancer,\u201d\u2014or any other disease\u2014\u201cbecause I\u2019m,\u201d\u2014I guess\u2014\u201cspeaking that into existence.\u201d [Laughter] I might be getting myself in trouble asking this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ren\u00e9:<\/strong> No, no girl; because I\u2019m going to go right down that street with you; because, like I said, I\u2019m a faith woman: I love the Lord, Holy Ghost-filled, love the Word of God, pray the Word of God, believe the Word of God. I do believe that death and life are in the power of the tongue\u2014I know that Scripture\u2014but I think we have to look at the text in its context. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I said, out of my mouth\u2014she\u2019s trying to get me to own the fact of what I have: \u201cYou have cancer.\u201d Right now, there are cancer cells in my body. I know God is the healer of cancer; but currently, in this present state, cancer cells are there. I can\u2019t deny that, so what do we do with that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, sometimes, when we grab things and just run with it\u2014because \u201cWell, the Bible says\u2026\u201d\u2014but look at the text in its context. If this little earth suit wasn\u2019t a reality, Jesus wouldn\u2019t have come in an earth suit. God sent His Son in an earth suit. It says in Hebrews 5:7\u2014it says, \u201cIn the days of His flesh.\u201d The Bible says, \u201cHe offered up loud crying and tears to the only One who was able to save Him, and He was heard because of His piety.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think for us\u2014we forget about His humanity, trying to safeguard His deity. He says, \u201cYou can be of good cheer because I have overcome the world.\u201d He overcame it so we can overcome it. So what we do now\u2014we follow suit with what He did. He offered up\u2014it says\u2014loud crying and tears, so there were days that he had to cry out to God. There were days he cried; there were days He mourned; there were days He got angry, but He did not sin. We have to be <em>honest<\/em> with what comes our way, but we take it to the One who is the healer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf I\u2019m a faith-believing\/faith-talking woman, when the cancer is recognized as an enemy coming in my camp, now I\u2019ve got to know how to strategically fight against that cancer. It\u2019s not that: \u201cYou\u2019re going\u2014you\u2019re confessing; you\u2019re confessing\u2026\u201d\u2014no, no, no. Confess\u2014the word is <em>homologous<\/em>: \u201cto say the same thing as.\u201d When you confess that He is <em>Rapha<\/em> in the midst of your cancer. He only can be the Healer if He has something to heal, so you have to admit you have something to heal for Him to be the Healer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, again, I hate to break in. We\u2019ve been listening to a portion of a conversation that Kim Anthony had with Dr. Ren\u00e9 Rochester about processing her own diagnosis with breast cancer. There is always that dilemma of knowing that our God is the Great Physician, who <em>can<\/em> heal whatever He chooses to heal; but in this life there are a lot of things we look at and go, \u201cLord, why didn\u2019t You heal that one?\u201d We don\u2019t understand the purposes and the mind of God; but we have to trust that He knows what He\u2019s doing, and what He is doing is right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> And I think what she said, \u201cHe will heal me\u2014on either this side of heaven or the next,\u201d and that is true. He is the Healer and He will. We just don\u2019t know which way it will happen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s hard to really process that because we all want to be healed on this side of heaven, and we want our loved ones healed on this side of heaven. I will say, as I watch people\u2014and I watched my sister struggle with lung cancer, and she was only 44\u2014the thing that struck me was her dependence on God: her dependence on the Holy Spirit\/her dependence on God\u2019s Word coming alive in her; because she could have just mourned and grieved, which you have to do. But it could have taken her to a point, where she couldn\u2019t even take a breath because of the fear; and yet, she would put on praise music. Do you remember this Dave?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> She would put on praise music. She would watch this worship and listen; and she couldn\u2019t stand up, but she would have me help her stand up. She would lift her hands, and she said it was like it took her to a whole other world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And did God take her home?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He did. He took her home; and He healed her on the other side of heaven, and she\u2019s with Him. But to watch her cling to Him was one of the greatest things I\u2019ve ever witnessed in terms of courage, and bravery, and dependence on God through the good and through the bad.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I have to imagine listeners listening to this\u2014this has been a hard interview for some of them to listen to. Some of them are going to want to hear the entire conversation, which you can do. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com; and there\u2019s a link there to the FamilyLife Podcast Network, which includes, not only Kim Anthony\u2019s podcast, <em>Unfavorable Odds<\/em>; but also Ron Deal\u2019s podcast, <em>FamilyLife Blended; <\/em>and the <em>Married with Benefits<\/em> podcast with Brian Goins and Shaunti Feldhahn. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can also listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> as a podcast. 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Now you can check those out, again, on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then keep in mind there\u2019s less than a week to go now before it\u2019s 2020. That means there\u2019s less than a week for us to try to take full advantage of the special matching gift that has been offered to us during the month of December. Every donation we receive between now and next Tuesday is going to be matched, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $3 million. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe still have a long way to go to get there; so if you have thought about yearend giving\u2014if God has used the ministry of FamilyLife: this radio program, our events, our resources, our website\u2014if God\u2019s using this in your life, your marriage, and your family, would you consider making as generous a yearend contribution as possible?\u2014knowing that donation is going to be matched, dollar for dollar, when you give today. 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