{"id":305605,"date":"2019-12-10T06:00:05","date_gmt":"2019-12-10T11:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/finding-joy-in-family-devotions\/"},"modified":"2019-12-10T06:00:05","modified_gmt":"2019-12-10T11:00:05","slug":"finding-joy-in-family-devotions","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/finding-joy-in-family-devotions\/","title":{"rendered":"Finding Joy in Family Devotions"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tim Shoemaker tells families how to fully engage with the truths of Scripture while also having a good time. 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One was this\u2014it became easier to talk about spiritual things in everyday life. It was the Deuteronomy example\u2014as we talked about it once a week, it became easier and easier, just as we\u2019re sitting around the table\/as we\u2019re doing something, we talk about spiritual things. That was <em>fantastic<\/em>; it was coming up in conversation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe second thing that happened that caught me by surprise\u2014I changed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, December 10<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. There are a lot of benefits that happen in a family when we start having regular conversations about spiritual things. We\u2019ll talk today about some creative ways we can do that. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I had a real dilemma as I was thinking about this program. The dilemma was: \u201cWho\u2019s going to get more excited about this\u2014Dave Wilson?\u2014or Ann Wilson?\u201d [<em>Laughter<\/em>] The subject we\u2019re talking about\u2014devotions, where you use object lessons, and where you get creative, and you have fun with the kids\u2014this is something that\u2019s right down the fat part of your back for <em>both<\/em> of you guys; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes, because we like to have fun. Joy is important. We feel like God\u2019s Word can be <em>packed<\/em> with great truth, but also it\u2019s creativity and fun. We can make God\u2019s Word come alive. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; there\u2019s something about creative and fun\u2014there is something I feel like we\u2019ve not brought our listeners in on this yet. Dave Wilson is\u2014you\u2019ve been playing guitar for how long?\u2014how long have you been playing guitar?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I went to the <em>Hard Day\u2019s Night<\/em> movie when I was seven years old, and I was in <em>love<\/em>. I didn\u2019t have a guitar until then, but I\u2019ve had one ever since.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When we first talked to you about being on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, you said, \u201cThere\u2019s got to be a guitar in the studio, or we\u2019re not doing the program.\u201d [Guitar strumming] So we\u2019ve\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014we got one. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Speaking of creative and fun, and while we\u2019re here in the month of December, and we\u2019re encouraging our listeners to make a yearend donation to support FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, you came in today and you said: \u201cI\u2019ve got a song. I have a song for this\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Dave always has a song for something. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I wrote this just the other day, Bob. It goes a little bit like this. [Laughter while Dave sings]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGive a little bit;\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGive a little bit of your cash to us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think that\u2019s the right key for you. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> [Singing] That\u2019s pretty high. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Were those the original words to that song?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s how the song goes. It\u2019s a funny little song, but it does have a good meaning to it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> With your lyric it does; because during the month of December, we\u2019re asking <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners to \u201cgive a little bit\u201d to help support the ministry of FamilyLife. We have some friends of the ministry, who have come along and said, \u201cWe\u2019re going to match every donation that is given to FamilyLife, during the month of December, up to a total of $2.5 million,\u201d\u2014which is amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Really amazing, actually. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; to take full advantage, we need <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners to do whatever you can do. Make a donation here to help make sure that FamilyLife, going into 2020, is in a great place financially and can continue and expand the ministry that is in front of us. As we look at the need for marriage and family in our culture today, we think advancing, rather than retreating, is what\u2019s needed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, you think about it\u2014we\u2019re having fun with this idea of giving; butut think about this\u2014I don\u2019t think I even understand this\u2014when you give $1, or $100, or $1,000, you change somebody\u2019s life through a program, through the ministry, through a weekend conference, through content. That money, actually, God uses to multiply in someone\u2019s life. It isn\u2019t just, \u201cI\u2019m giving a dollar,\u201d it is literally changing someone\u2019s life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe neat thing is\u2014you\u2019ll probably never meet these people\u2014but their kids and grandkids are going to have a different life because <em>you<\/em> decided to follow God and honor Him and give, and there\u2019s change.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> There\u2019s still things that we want to do, too\u2014dreams that we have that we want to continue to take great material, great content, great radio into people\u2019s homes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We may meet these people one day and hear the stories of how the money that was given\u2014God used it, and they came into the kingdom as a result of that. If you can help with a yearend donation, knowing your donation is going to be matched, dollar for dollar, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and donate online; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a donation. We\u2019re grateful for your support and look forward to hearing from you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re talking about having devotions with the family today. Dave, if you had had a copy of the <em>Very Best, Hands-On, Kinda Dangerous Family Devotions<\/em>, by our guest today, Tim Shoemaker\u2014Tim, welcome back to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Thanks, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014if you had had this, back when your boys were little, who would\u2019ve used it more, you or Ann?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That would\u2019ve been a fight. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; it would\u2019ve been; wouldn\u2019t it? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She would\u2019ve been battling. You know, the fun thing about it is that there are 52 weeks or 52, and we would\u2019ve split it up. There would\u2019ve been some I\u2019d done; but you know, she was the one\u2014I remember, one time, preaching at church and like, \u201cMy family\u2019s not here!\u201d I come home; I\u2019m like: \u201cDid you guys like\u2014did somebody get sick? Why weren\u2019t you there?\u201d She goes: \u201cOh, no! We had Boys\u2019 Day Out.\u201d [Laughter] I go\u2014no\u2014\u201cBoys\u2019 Island\u201d\u2014what was it; what did you call it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We had \u201cLost Boys\u2019 Island.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You skipped church?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I did. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> A pastor\u2019s wife skipped church?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You know, the preacher\u2019s sort of boring; so she said, \u201cI\u2019m going to make it exciting.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What happened was\u2014we were on our way to church. We stopped, and we pulled into a restaurant. They said, \u201cWhat are we doing?\u201d I said: \u201cAlong life\u2019s path, you think you\u2019re going one direction and, sometimes, you head\u2014you\u2019re in another place. Sometimes it\u2019s a <em>great<\/em> place\u2014like: \u2018God, look what You\u2019ve done! You\u2019ve taken us on this journey that\u2019s amazing!\u2019 Sometimes it\u2019s a really hard place. The question is: \u2018Will you walk with Jesus in both places?\u2014because we don\u2019t always end up on the path we think we\u2019re going to end up on.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was a life lesson day. We didn\u2019t end up making it to church, but we did have some principles.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Had you planned this the night before in your mind?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> No; I planned it that morning. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Was it because your hair didn\u2019t turn out the way you thought it [would]? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She saw my sermon.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s what I wondered\u2014if she\u2019s thinking, \u201cI don\u2019t want to hear this.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I\u2019m sure the kids never forgot that. Dave, obviously, didn\u2019t. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He does remain a little resentful, I\u2019m thinking.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> No; there was this little cul-de-sac area behind our house that they called Lost Boys\u2019 Island\u2014that was where they\u2019d go. I honestly didn\u2019t go more than once or twice; they had this spot with Mom. It was pretty cool; it was like an island, where they got spiritual truths.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It has trees, and woods, and we read books. With boys, especially\u2014and girls, too\u2014they like creativity; they like adventure; they like things that are change of pace. That\u2019s what that place became. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s part of the creativity that you\u2019ve [Tim] brought to the whole subject of trying to pass on spiritual truth to the next generation. Had you marked out one night a week that was your night for doing this when your boys were going through their years?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> We tried to do that; yes, we had a set time. That doesn\u2019t always work; so there\u2019s going to be someone listening, right now\u2014they say: \u201cThat can\u2019t work for me. We\u2019ve got sports; we\u2019ve got practice; we\u2019ve got all these things.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou find that time. You find a time where, at least, you can get most of them together. Sometimes you\u2019re going to miss too many weeks if you wait for everybody. You catch up with who you miss afterwards if you need to, but you try to stay consistent. As they get older, it gets tough.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It does get tougher. Does it get tougher to keep them engaged when they\u2019re 14, and potato guns aren\u2019t quite the things they used to be? I\u2019m saying potato guns because we talked, earlier, about making these spud bazookas or whatever they were. Did you find, as they got older, that it was harder to come up with things that were engaging?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> You know what? Actually, probably not; because it\u2019s not long. You blow up an egg in the microwave; you fry a CD in the microwave\u2014you do different things. You teach little nuggets of truth. You can make a fast-freeze solution; we give the\u2014you may\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I like how Tim\u2019s face lights up as he\u2019s talking about these things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014a what kind of solution?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> A fast-freeze\u2014it\u2019s like where you can freeze a hot dog or a pickle in a minute\u2014solid!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>How do you\u2014with some kind of solution? \u2014you put the hot dog in?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> All you do\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Here we go!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim: <\/strong>\u2014you pick up some acetone\u2014A-C-E-T-O-N-E\u2014from the paint aisle in the hardware store. You put a little of that in; and you get some dry ice, which you crush, and you put that together\u2014you\u2019ve got it. The freeze level of acetone is so low, it gets super cold. You could put a pickle in there or a hot dog\u2014boom! The whole idea there is\u2014we talked about how fast a heart can go hard. It doesn\u2019t take much time for a heart to go hard and how we have to protect against that. That was the basic lesson on that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This whole approach to devotions\u2014there are some parents, who are listening, go: \u201cThis feels a little gimmicky to me. I mean, what\u2019s wrong with just sitting down and opening up the Bible, reading a chapter of the Bible, and then saying, \u2018Do you have any thoughts?\u2019 and praying about that? Isn\u2019t that a more spiritual way to do devotions?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Okay; there\u2019s nothing wrong with it, but it\u2019s not necessarily more spiritual. Here\u2019s what happens. Most kids are pretty good at <em>looking<\/em> like they\u2019re engaged, especially when they get a little bit older because it\u2019ll end sooner, if they act like they\u2019re engaged. [Laughter] They pretend to be there, but their mind could be far away. Our job\u2014as parents and, even, grandparents\u2014we want to teach this next generation, so we have to make sure we\u2019re getting through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf somebody\u2019s doing something like that, on a daily basis, I say: \u201cDon\u2019t change it. That\u2019s great. But one day a week, switch out and do something more active\/more object-lesson oriented; because I guarantee: \u2018Their kids won\u2019t check out.\u2019 I\u2019ll know that, at least, I\u2019ll get that one nugget of truth a week, even if they\u2019ve been checking out the other times.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen there were some surprising things that happened that I <em>never<\/em> expected when I started doing family devotions. One was this\u2014it became easier to talk about spiritual things in everyday life. It was the Deuteronomy example\u2014as we talked about it once a week, it became easier and easier, just as we\u2019re sitting around the table\/as we\u2019re doing something, we talk about spiritual things. That was <em>fantastic<\/em>\u2014that was very organic; it was just coming up in conversation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe second thing that happened that I think was really\u2014it caught me by surprise\u2014I changed. When we\u2019re teaching kids, often the Holy Spirit will nudge us; and we make a little adjustment. Over the course of a year, I knew my life was different than it would\u2019ve been.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When you knew you had a Thursday night\u2014\u201cWe\u2019re going to do family devotions on Thursday night,\u201d\u2014and it\u2019s Tuesday, and you don\u2019t have anything to come up with; I mean, there\u2019s nothing\u2014no object lesson that has come to mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You just went to the hardware store? Is that what you did?\u2014started walking the aisles? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim: <\/strong>You could do that. [Laughter] Often, I would pray; I would just pray, \u201cGod, I need an idea,\u201d or \u201cI\u2019ve got this cool thing I\u2019d like to do, but I have <em>no<\/em> <em>idea<\/em> how to tie it in.\u201d Often it would come that way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou could walk in a store\u2014the hardware store\/a camping store\u2014that\u2019s where I found fire paste.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Fire paste.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What is fire paste?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It\u2019s like petroleum jelly; it comes in a tube. You use it to light damp logs for camping. It\u2019s a great tool for camping; but it works for devotions, too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> For what? What is it illustrating? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What do you light on fire first?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> You know what?\u2014just take a little piece of wood\u2014like a piece of plywood\u2014in fact, I had three of them. I had three pastes in a tube: one was toothpaste; one was Desitin<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>; one was fire paste. I put tinfoil around them, so you couldn\u2019t see what it was. Had each one of the boys pick one; make an \u201cX\u201d on the board; then we tried to light it. You can light it with one of those stick lighters, or you get the little plumbers torch\u2014you know, the little blue propane thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I knew you were going to say that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes; yes. You get a blue flame coming out of there, and that\u2019s cooler; definitely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s cooler. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014and a little more dangerous.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> You try to light the toothpaste\u2014you know, it\u2019s not happening; it just melts. The diaper\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Desitin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Desitin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim: <\/strong>\u2014you get it to spark a little bit when you hit it with a blue flame, but it won\u2019t light. Hit the other?\u2014Ohhh! It lights up real nice and just keeps burning. We talked about: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know what these represent?\u2014three kinds of Christians. These are the three Christians I see in here. The first one: what is\u2014oh, it\u2019s toothpaste\u2014that\u2019s the Christian who wants to look good. It\u2019s just all about the smile, and they\u2019re all just a happy Christian; but you know what? They\u2019re not on fire.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere you have diaper rash, and that didn\u2019t light either. You have the baby Christians\u2014they just never mature. They might have been a Christian for 30 years, but you still have to feed them; you still have to clean up their messes. They\u2019re not on fire on themselves. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAhhhh\u2014the fire paste. You ignite them, and they keep burning. Boys, that\u2019s what I want for you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What I\u2019m imagining, too\u2014if you\u2019re going to pick, as a family, your devotional time\u2014your day, whatever works best\u2014I\u2019m thinking it would be really great to make this evening a great evening with food, especially as your kids get older. Teenagers love food. If you create an atmosphere of joy\/of anticipation: \u201cWe\u2019re going to have a great meal tonight. We\u2019re going to laugh. We\u2019re going to have fun,\u201d\u2014whether our kids remember the actual principle, they\u2019ll remember what it felt like to do family devotions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So like: \u201cThursday nights are our family devotion night, and we make it a special night,\u201d\u2014you\u2019re branding it; you\u2019re marketing it; you\u2019re selling it to your kids. You\u2019re also building memories. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We did something every year at Christmas time. We had a special family meal for Christmas Eve. Mary Ann came up with the idea that we were going to have a special Christmas meal for Christmas Adam, too. Do you know what Christmas Adam is? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Adam came before Eve, so Christmas Adam is December 23<sup>rd<\/sup>, and Christmas Eve is December 24<sup>th<\/sup>. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The things I learn from Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim: <\/strong>I\u2019ve never heard that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> On Christmas Adam, she would have a shepherd\u2019s meal. Shepherd\u2019s meal was potato soup and homemade bread, a very simple meal that she would serve by candlelight. We\u2019d turn off all of the lights. We\u2019d have this bowl of potato soup and this homemade bread. We\u2019d talk about this simple meal and: \u201cWhat were the shepherds eating?\u201d Sometimes the boys would put on their robes and come to the table, dressed like shepherds. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have, now, this stored bank of memories. Now, as adults, they remember shepherd\u2019s meal on Christmas Adam and can kind of maybe tie to the spiritual principles we talked about there. They also remember what was important and the fact that we made something special out of this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it\u2019s a great point that you can dress it up a little bit and build some anticipation on the part of your kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I like what you said, too, about the whole idea of food, especially if you have teenagers\/especially if you have boys. They\u2019ll listen better if they have food.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you always do this, or did your wife pitch in? Did she ever take charge of this and say, \u201cI\u2019m doing family devotions tonight\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> You know, I think it was pretty much me. She was a terrific support. She encouraged me when there were those stop times, when I wasn\u2019t doing it. She was good\u2014help me get back into it\u2014so she was a great support.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Cheering you on when you\u2019d done a night\u2014she went, \u201cThat was awesome\u2014what you did with the kids tonight.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Did she ever caution you?\u2014like, \u201cDon\u2019t get the potato\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u201cDon\u2019t hurt our kids.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cwith the probes\u201d? You know, seriously, did she like say, \u201cWait a minute; be careful\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes, she did. Like with the probes\u2014I know some people get concerned about that. But I\u2019ll ask them, \u201cDo you keep your car keys on the counter?\u201d \u201cYes.\u201d \u201cI\u2019ll tell you what\u2014if your kid takes that car, that\u2019s going to be <em>awful<\/em>.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The time you said, \u201cI\u2019m going to take the boys on the roof of the house.\u201d She said, \u201cNo. We\u2019re not going to do that one.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnn, I\u2019m wondering\u2014because there are a lot of wives, who are going: \u201cI <em>wish<\/em> my husband would do this. Do I just buy the book and put it by his bedside table?\u201d If a wife is wanting her husband to do this, does she pray?\u2014does she ask him? Or does she start modeling it for him\u2014and do it for awhile\u2014and then he takes over? What would you recommend?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think I\u2019d have a discussion, first of all, of saying, \u201cI listened to this radio program\u201d or \u201c\u2026podcast today, and it was fascinating.\u201d As a wife, if you gave the illustration of blowing up a pickle, or the toilet paper, I think that would be intriguing. I\u2019d probably say to Dave: \u201cDave, you\u2019ve got to listen to this,\u201d or \u201cI came up with this idea. I\u2019m going to try it. What do you think? Would you want to do it <em>with<\/em> me?\u201d Do you think that would be good for a guy to hear?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I would get a slingshot and slingshot the book at him. I\u2019d say: \u201cDo you think that was fun? There\u2019s a bunch of those in it.\u201d No, I\u2019m kidding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019d probably\u2014even at dinner, I\u2019d probably read the ideas to our kids and say: \u201cYou guys, what do you think of this? Should we try it?!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; that\u2019s cool.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>The other thing I was thinking\u2014for single parents\u2014there\u2019s a lot of single parents, that maybe you don\u2019t have a husband who will do it or a wife that\u2019s encouraging you. I think it would be great to pull some of my single friends together and do this kind of thing together, where you maybe have a little group of kids together and you do some of these. There\u2019s a bonding experience with that as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s what I want moms and dads to hear\u2014I think we can play this for our listeners. We did an interview with Don Whitney, who\u2019s a professor at Southern Theological Seminary. He is big on family devotions\/family worship. He\u2019s written a book on doing this. He said that he always felt like this was going nowhere, like his kids weren\u2019t paying attention. He was faithful to do it, but they weren\u2019t paying attention\u2014until there came a moment, where he went, \u201cThis was having more impact than I realized.\u201d Here\u2019s how he described that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Don:<\/strong> At the Christian school where she graduated, it was the tradition for the parents to present the diploma to the graduate\/to their child. Then they would make some remarks, encouraging the child and congratulating them as a graduate and blessing them there. Then the graduate would, in turn, speak some prepared remarks to the parents, thanking them, and so forth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy daughter thanked my wife and said a number of very precious things to her. Then she turned to me and she began by saying how much family worship had meant to her, but she never got finished; because she just collapsed on my shoulder, in cap and gown, in tears. I am not exaggerating when I say she wept harder than I had seen her since she was a preschooler. The picture of us together is my favorite picture of the two of us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe gave me, later, the transcript of what she had prepared. It was thanking me for what family worship had meant to her. Lest your listeners misunderstand, they may think that that means, when we had family worship, she sat in rapt attention with her hands folded. I mean, not one time, <em>ever<\/em>, would I have walked away from family worship, saying: \u201cOh, the Spirit of God came in great power upon us tonight. We were on our faces before God. The Spirit\u2019s presence was just atmospheric in our home.\u201d <em>Never<\/em> would I have said that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Most<\/em> of the time, I would walk away, saying: \u201cI wonder if that did any good whatsoever. I wonder if anything happened.\u201d There was <em>nothing<\/em> remarkable\u2014<em>ever<\/em>. You know what it\u2019s like, until this day? She\u2019s married and has a first child of her own now. When you have a family in the family room doing family worship, they do what families do in the family room. The three-year-old\u2019s are rolling around on the floor; they\u2019re being real families. Yet, you do this, night after night, year after year, and the Word does its work. God may do things that you never imagined He was doing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, again, that\u2019s Don Whitney, talking about family devotions in his home. We were listening to that, and smiling, and nodding our heads. We\u2019ve all been there; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But the truth is\u2014you do what God prompts you to do. You share His Word; His Word does not return void. You be faithful as a parent; and your faithfulness will mark your kids, maybe, as much as whatever the spiritual principles you\u2019re teaching do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We were together with our three sons. I remember saying, \u201cYou guys remember some of those <em>great<\/em> devotional things that I did?\u2014like those big props?\u201d They said, \u201cNo.\u201d [Laughter] I said, \u201cWait; you don\u2019t remember <em>one<\/em>?\u201d They said, \u201cNope.\u201d It was the most disappointing\u2014I just thought, \u201cWhat\u2019s the use?\u201d Then one of them said: \u201cBut we remembered that it was so important to you, and we can remember you crying at times. We can remember that Jesus is the most important thing in your life. That\u2019s what we remember.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019ll add this\u2014our middle son, who has three [of our] grandkids is doing that, at night, crawling in their bed; one of them\u2014crawling in the crib. You watch him do these crazy\u2014they\u2019re not Tim Shoemaker crazy\u2014but now they will be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No potato guns with the infants.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Once he gets this book\u2014they\u2019re going to eat it up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would add this\u2014even as I listened to Don there, I thought, \u201cYou know, I\u2019m not Don; I\u2019m not Tim.\u201d I can be intimidated\u2014like: \u201cI can\u2019t be that creative. I can\u2019t be that consistent.\u201d But I can be me, and you can be you; so do <em>you<\/em>, and do something. That\u2019s the key: \u201cDo something. Do it your way. God will honor your faithfulness.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Tim, this has been great; this has been inspiring, and motivating, and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and fun.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m ready to get the grandkids and get a pickle and some nails and go to work. [Laughter] If you\u2019re wondering what I\u2019m talking about, get a copy of Tim\u2019s book, <em>The Very Best, Hands-On, Kinda Dangerous Family Devotions,<\/em> which we\u2019ve got in our FamilyLife Resource Center. Thanks for being on <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> My pleasure. Thank you all. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order a copy of Tim\u2019s book on family devotions. You can order it from us, online, or you can call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. The title of the book again: <em>The Very Best, Hands-On, Kinda Dangerous Family Devotions<\/em> by Tim Shoemaker. Order online at FamilyLIfeToday.com, or call to order at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, a reminder\u2014we talked about this earlier\u2014the month of December is a critical month for FamilyLife as we approach the end of the calendar year. What happens over the next couple of weeks will determine what FamilyLife is able to do in the year 2020: \u201cCan we continue on this local radio station\/on our network of stations across the country? Can we expand the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, going forward?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe think the need is urgent. We\u2019re hoping you will help us take advantage of a matching gift that\u2019s been made available to us. 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That was <em>fantastic<\/em>; it was coming up in conversation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe second thing that happened that caught me by surprise\u2014I changed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, December 10<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. There are a lot of benefits that happen in a family when we start having regular conversations about spiritual things. We\u2019ll talk today about some creative ways we can do that. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I had a real dilemma as I was thinking about this program. The dilemma was: \u201cWho\u2019s going to get more excited about this\u2014Dave Wilson?\u2014or Ann Wilson?\u201d [<em>Laughter<\/em>] The subject we\u2019re talking about\u2014devotions, where you use object lessons, and where you get creative, and you have fun with the kids\u2014this is something that\u2019s right down the fat part of your back for <em>both<\/em> of you guys; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes, because we like to have fun. Joy is important. We feel like God\u2019s Word can be <em>packed<\/em> with great truth, but also it\u2019s creativity and fun. We can make God\u2019s Word come alive. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; there\u2019s something about creative and fun\u2014there is something I feel like we\u2019ve not brought our listeners in on this yet. Dave Wilson is\u2014you\u2019ve been playing guitar for how long?\u2014how long have you been playing guitar?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I went to the <em>Hard Day\u2019s Night<\/em> movie when I was seven years old, and I was in <em>love<\/em>. I didn\u2019t have a guitar until then, but I\u2019ve had one ever since.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When we first talked to you about being on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, you said, \u201cThere\u2019s got to be a guitar in the studio, or we\u2019re not doing the program.\u201d [Guitar strumming] So we\u2019ve\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014we got one. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Speaking of creative and fun, and while we\u2019re here in the month of December, and we\u2019re encouraging our listeners to make a yearend donation to support FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, you came in today and you said: \u201cI\u2019ve got a song. I have a song for this\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Dave always has a song for something. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I wrote this just the other day, Bob. It goes a little bit like this. [Laughter while Dave sings]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGive a little bit;\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGive a little bit of your cash to us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think that\u2019s the right key for you. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> [Singing] That\u2019s pretty high. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Were those the original words to that song?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s how the song goes. It\u2019s a funny little song, but it does have a good meaning to it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> With your lyric it does; because during the month of December, we\u2019re asking <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners to \u201cgive a little bit\u201d to help support the ministry of FamilyLife. We have some friends of the ministry, who have come along and said, \u201cWe\u2019re going to match every donation that is given to FamilyLife, during the month of December, up to a total of $2.5 million,\u201d\u2014which is amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Really amazing, actually. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; to take full advantage, we need <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners to do whatever you can do. Make a donation here to help make sure that FamilyLife, going into 2020, is in a great place financially and can continue and expand the ministry that is in front of us. As we look at the need for marriage and family in our culture today, we think advancing, rather than retreating, is what\u2019s needed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, you think about it\u2014we\u2019re having fun with this idea of giving; butut think about this\u2014I don\u2019t think I even understand this\u2014when you give $1, or $100, or $1,000, you change somebody\u2019s life through a program, through the ministry, through a weekend conference, through content. That money, actually, God uses to multiply in someone\u2019s life. It isn\u2019t just, \u201cI\u2019m giving a dollar,\u201d it is literally changing someone\u2019s life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe neat thing is\u2014you\u2019ll probably never meet these people\u2014but their kids and grandkids are going to have a different life because <em>you<\/em> decided to follow God and honor Him and give, and there\u2019s change.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> There\u2019s still things that we want to do, too\u2014dreams that we have that we want to continue to take great material, great content, great radio into people\u2019s homes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We may meet these people one day and hear the stories of how the money that was given\u2014God used it, and they came into the kingdom as a result of that. If you can help with a yearend donation, knowing your donation is going to be matched, dollar for dollar, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and donate online; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a donation. We\u2019re grateful for your support and look forward to hearing from you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re talking about having devotions with the family today. Dave, if you had had a copy of the <em>Very Best, Hands-On, Kinda Dangerous Family Devotions<\/em>, by our guest today, Tim Shoemaker\u2014Tim, welcome back to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Thanks, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014if you had had this, back when your boys were little, who would\u2019ve used it more, you or Ann?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That would\u2019ve been a fight. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; it would\u2019ve been; wouldn\u2019t it? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She would\u2019ve been battling. You know, the fun thing about it is that there are 52 weeks or 52, and we would\u2019ve split it up. There would\u2019ve been some I\u2019d done; but you know, she was the one\u2014I remember, one time, preaching at church and like, \u201cMy family\u2019s not here!\u201d I come home; I\u2019m like: \u201cDid you guys like\u2014did somebody get sick? Why weren\u2019t you there?\u201d She goes: \u201cOh, no! We had Boys\u2019 Day Out.\u201d [Laughter] I go\u2014no\u2014\u201cBoys\u2019 Island\u201d\u2014what was it; what did you call it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We had \u201cLost Boys\u2019 Island.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You skipped church?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I did. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> A pastor\u2019s wife skipped church?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes, I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You know, the preacher\u2019s sort of boring; so she said, \u201cI\u2019m going to make it exciting.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What happened was\u2014we were on our way to church. We stopped, and we pulled into a restaurant. They said, \u201cWhat are we doing?\u201d I said: \u201cAlong life\u2019s path, you think you\u2019re going one direction and, sometimes, you head\u2014you\u2019re in another place. Sometimes it\u2019s a <em>great<\/em> place\u2014like: \u2018God, look what You\u2019ve done! You\u2019ve taken us on this journey that\u2019s amazing!\u2019 Sometimes it\u2019s a really hard place. The question is: \u2018Will you walk with Jesus in both places?\u2014because we don\u2019t always end up on the path we think we\u2019re going to end up on.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was a life lesson day. We didn\u2019t end up making it to church, but we did have some principles.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Had you planned this the night before in your mind?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> No; I planned it that morning. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Was it because your hair didn\u2019t turn out the way you thought it [would]? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She saw my sermon.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s what I wondered\u2014if she\u2019s thinking, \u201cI don\u2019t want to hear this.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I\u2019m sure the kids never forgot that. Dave, obviously, didn\u2019t. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He does remain a little resentful, I\u2019m thinking.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> No; there was this little cul-de-sac area behind our house that they called Lost Boys\u2019 Island\u2014that was where they\u2019d go. I honestly didn\u2019t go more than once or twice; they had this spot with Mom. It was pretty cool; it was like an island, where they got spiritual truths.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It has trees, and woods, and we read books. With boys, especially\u2014and girls, too\u2014they like creativity; they like adventure; they like things that are change of pace. That\u2019s what that place became. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s part of the creativity that you\u2019ve [Tim] brought to the whole subject of trying to pass on spiritual truth to the next generation. Had you marked out one night a week that was your night for doing this when your boys were going through their years?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> We tried to do that; yes, we had a set time. That doesn\u2019t always work; so there\u2019s going to be someone listening, right now\u2014they say: \u201cThat can\u2019t work for me. We\u2019ve got sports; we\u2019ve got practice; we\u2019ve got all these things.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou find that time. You find a time where, at least, you can get most of them together. Sometimes you\u2019re going to miss too many weeks if you wait for everybody. You catch up with who you miss afterwards if you need to, but you try to stay consistent. As they get older, it gets tough.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It does get tougher. Does it get tougher to keep them engaged when they\u2019re 14, and potato guns aren\u2019t quite the things they used to be? I\u2019m saying potato guns because we talked, earlier, about making these spud bazookas or whatever they were. Did you find, as they got older, that it was harder to come up with things that were engaging?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> You know what? Actually, probably not; because it\u2019s not long. You blow up an egg in the microwave; you fry a CD in the microwave\u2014you do different things. You teach little nuggets of truth. You can make a fast-freeze solution; we give the\u2014you may\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I like how Tim\u2019s face lights up as he\u2019s talking about these things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014a what kind of solution?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> A fast-freeze\u2014it\u2019s like where you can freeze a hot dog or a pickle in a minute\u2014solid!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>How do you\u2014with some kind of solution? \u2014you put the hot dog in?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> All you do\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Here we go!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim: <\/strong>\u2014you pick up some acetone\u2014A-C-E-T-O-N-E\u2014from the paint aisle in the hardware store. You put a little of that in; and you get some dry ice, which you crush, and you put that together\u2014you\u2019ve got it. The freeze level of acetone is so low, it gets super cold. You could put a pickle in there or a hot dog\u2014boom! The whole idea there is\u2014we talked about how fast a heart can go hard. It doesn\u2019t take much time for a heart to go hard and how we have to protect against that. That was the basic lesson on that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This whole approach to devotions\u2014there are some parents, who are listening, go: \u201cThis feels a little gimmicky to me. I mean, what\u2019s wrong with just sitting down and opening up the Bible, reading a chapter of the Bible, and then saying, \u2018Do you have any thoughts?\u2019 and praying about that? Isn\u2019t that a more spiritual way to do devotions?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Okay; there\u2019s nothing wrong with it, but it\u2019s not necessarily more spiritual. Here\u2019s what happens. Most kids are pretty good at <em>looking<\/em> like they\u2019re engaged, especially when they get a little bit older because it\u2019ll end sooner, if they act like they\u2019re engaged. [Laughter] They pretend to be there, but their mind could be far away. Our job\u2014as parents and, even, grandparents\u2014we want to teach this next generation, so we have to make sure we\u2019re getting through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf somebody\u2019s doing something like that, on a daily basis, I say: \u201cDon\u2019t change it. That\u2019s great. But one day a week, switch out and do something more active\/more object-lesson oriented; because I guarantee: \u2018Their kids won\u2019t check out.\u2019 I\u2019ll know that, at least, I\u2019ll get that one nugget of truth a week, even if they\u2019ve been checking out the other times.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen there were some surprising things that happened that I <em>never<\/em> expected when I started doing family devotions. One was this\u2014it became easier to talk about spiritual things in everyday life. It was the Deuteronomy example\u2014as we talked about it once a week, it became easier and easier, just as we\u2019re sitting around the table\/as we\u2019re doing something, we talk about spiritual things. That was <em>fantastic<\/em>\u2014that was very organic; it was just coming up in conversation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe second thing that happened that I think was really\u2014it caught me by surprise\u2014I changed. When we\u2019re teaching kids, often the Holy Spirit will nudge us; and we make a little adjustment. Over the course of a year, I knew my life was different than it would\u2019ve been.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When you knew you had a Thursday night\u2014\u201cWe\u2019re going to do family devotions on Thursday night,\u201d\u2014and it\u2019s Tuesday, and you don\u2019t have anything to come up with; I mean, there\u2019s nothing\u2014no object lesson that has come to mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You just went to the hardware store? Is that what you did?\u2014started walking the aisles? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim: <\/strong>You could do that. [Laughter] Often, I would pray; I would just pray, \u201cGod, I need an idea,\u201d or \u201cI\u2019ve got this cool thing I\u2019d like to do, but I have <em>no<\/em> <em>idea<\/em> how to tie it in.\u201d Often it would come that way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou could walk in a store\u2014the hardware store\/a camping store\u2014that\u2019s where I found fire paste.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Fire paste.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What is fire paste?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It\u2019s like petroleum jelly; it comes in a tube. You use it to light damp logs for camping. It\u2019s a great tool for camping; but it works for devotions, too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> For what? What is it illustrating? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> What do you light on fire first?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> You know what?\u2014just take a little piece of wood\u2014like a piece of plywood\u2014in fact, I had three of them. I had three pastes in a tube: one was toothpaste; one was Desitin<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>; one was fire paste. I put tinfoil around them, so you couldn\u2019t see what it was. Had each one of the boys pick one; make an \u201cX\u201d on the board; then we tried to light it. You can light it with one of those stick lighters, or you get the little plumbers torch\u2014you know, the little blue propane thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I knew you were going to say that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes; yes. You get a blue flame coming out of there, and that\u2019s cooler; definitely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s cooler. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014and a little more dangerous.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> You try to light the toothpaste\u2014you know, it\u2019s not happening; it just melts. The diaper\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Desitin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Desitin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim: <\/strong>\u2014you get it to spark a little bit when you hit it with a blue flame, but it won\u2019t light. Hit the other?\u2014Ohhh! It lights up real nice and just keeps burning. We talked about: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know what these represent?\u2014three kinds of Christians. These are the three Christians I see in here. The first one: what is\u2014oh, it\u2019s toothpaste\u2014that\u2019s the Christian who wants to look good. It\u2019s just all about the smile, and they\u2019re all just a happy Christian; but you know what? They\u2019re not on fire.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere you have diaper rash, and that didn\u2019t light either. You have the baby Christians\u2014they just never mature. They might have been a Christian for 30 years, but you still have to feed them; you still have to clean up their messes. They\u2019re not on fire on themselves. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAhhhh\u2014the fire paste. You ignite them, and they keep burning. Boys, that\u2019s what I want for you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> What I\u2019m imagining, too\u2014if you\u2019re going to pick, as a family, your devotional time\u2014your day, whatever works best\u2014I\u2019m thinking it would be really great to make this evening a great evening with food, especially as your kids get older. Teenagers love food. If you create an atmosphere of joy\/of anticipation: \u201cWe\u2019re going to have a great meal tonight. We\u2019re going to laugh. We\u2019re going to have fun,\u201d\u2014whether our kids remember the actual principle, they\u2019ll remember what it felt like to do family devotions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So like: \u201cThursday nights are our family devotion night, and we make it a special night,\u201d\u2014you\u2019re branding it; you\u2019re marketing it; you\u2019re selling it to your kids. You\u2019re also building memories. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We did something every year at Christmas time. We had a special family meal for Christmas Eve. Mary Ann came up with the idea that we were going to have a special Christmas meal for Christmas Adam, too. Do you know what Christmas Adam is? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Adam came before Eve, so Christmas Adam is December 23<sup>rd<\/sup>, and Christmas Eve is December 24<sup>th<\/sup>. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The things I learn from Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim: <\/strong>I\u2019ve never heard that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> On Christmas Adam, she would have a shepherd\u2019s meal. Shepherd\u2019s meal was potato soup and homemade bread, a very simple meal that she would serve by candlelight. We\u2019d turn off all of the lights. We\u2019d have this bowl of potato soup and this homemade bread. We\u2019d talk about this simple meal and: \u201cWhat were the shepherds eating?\u201d Sometimes the boys would put on their robes and come to the table, dressed like shepherds. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have, now, this stored bank of memories. Now, as adults, they remember shepherd\u2019s meal on Christmas Adam and can kind of maybe tie to the spiritual principles we talked about there. They also remember what was important and the fact that we made something special out of this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it\u2019s a great point that you can dress it up a little bit and build some anticipation on the part of your kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I like what you said, too, about the whole idea of food, especially if you have teenagers\/especially if you have boys. They\u2019ll listen better if they have food.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you always do this, or did your wife pitch in? Did she ever take charge of this and say, \u201cI\u2019m doing family devotions tonight\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> You know, I think it was pretty much me. She was a terrific support. She encouraged me when there were those stop times, when I wasn\u2019t doing it. She was good\u2014help me get back into it\u2014so she was a great support.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Cheering you on when you\u2019d done a night\u2014she went, \u201cThat was awesome\u2014what you did with the kids tonight.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Did she ever caution you?\u2014like, \u201cDon\u2019t get the potato\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u201cDon\u2019t hurt our kids.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cwith the probes\u201d? You know, seriously, did she like say, \u201cWait a minute; be careful\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes, she did. Like with the probes\u2014I know some people get concerned about that. But I\u2019ll ask them, \u201cDo you keep your car keys on the counter?\u201d \u201cYes.\u201d \u201cI\u2019ll tell you what\u2014if your kid takes that car, that\u2019s going to be <em>awful<\/em>.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The time you said, \u201cI\u2019m going to take the boys on the roof of the house.\u201d She said, \u201cNo. We\u2019re not going to do that one.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnn, I\u2019m wondering\u2014because there are a lot of wives, who are going: \u201cI <em>wish<\/em> my husband would do this. Do I just buy the book and put it by his bedside table?\u201d If a wife is wanting her husband to do this, does she pray?\u2014does she ask him? Or does she start modeling it for him\u2014and do it for awhile\u2014and then he takes over? What would you recommend?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I think I\u2019d have a discussion, first of all, of saying, \u201cI listened to this radio program\u201d or \u201c\u2026podcast today, and it was fascinating.\u201d As a wife, if you gave the illustration of blowing up a pickle, or the toilet paper, I think that would be intriguing. I\u2019d probably say to Dave: \u201cDave, you\u2019ve got to listen to this,\u201d or \u201cI came up with this idea. I\u2019m going to try it. What do you think? Would you want to do it <em>with<\/em> me?\u201d Do you think that would be good for a guy to hear?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; I would get a slingshot and slingshot the book at him. I\u2019d say: \u201cDo you think that was fun? There\u2019s a bunch of those in it.\u201d No, I\u2019m kidding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I\u2019d probably\u2014even at dinner, I\u2019d probably read the ideas to our kids and say: \u201cYou guys, what do you think of this? Should we try it?!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; that\u2019s cool.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>The other thing I was thinking\u2014for single parents\u2014there\u2019s a lot of single parents, that maybe you don\u2019t have a husband who will do it or a wife that\u2019s encouraging you. I think it would be great to pull some of my single friends together and do this kind of thing together, where you maybe have a little group of kids together and you do some of these. There\u2019s a bonding experience with that as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s what I want moms and dads to hear\u2014I think we can play this for our listeners. We did an interview with Don Whitney, who\u2019s a professor at Southern Theological Seminary. He is big on family devotions\/family worship. He\u2019s written a book on doing this. He said that he always felt like this was going nowhere, like his kids weren\u2019t paying attention. He was faithful to do it, but they weren\u2019t paying attention\u2014until there came a moment, where he went, \u201cThis was having more impact than I realized.\u201d Here\u2019s how he described that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Don:<\/strong> At the Christian school where she graduated, it was the tradition for the parents to present the diploma to the graduate\/to their child. Then they would make some remarks, encouraging the child and congratulating them as a graduate and blessing them there. Then the graduate would, in turn, speak some prepared remarks to the parents, thanking them, and so forth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy daughter thanked my wife and said a number of very precious things to her. Then she turned to me and she began by saying how much family worship had meant to her, but she never got finished; because she just collapsed on my shoulder, in cap and gown, in tears. I am not exaggerating when I say she wept harder than I had seen her since she was a preschooler. The picture of us together is my favorite picture of the two of us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe gave me, later, the transcript of what she had prepared. It was thanking me for what family worship had meant to her. Lest your listeners misunderstand, they may think that that means, when we had family worship, she sat in rapt attention with her hands folded. I mean, not one time, <em>ever<\/em>, would I have walked away from family worship, saying: \u201cOh, the Spirit of God came in great power upon us tonight. We were on our faces before God. The Spirit\u2019s presence was just atmospheric in our home.\u201d <em>Never<\/em> would I have said that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Most<\/em> of the time, I would walk away, saying: \u201cI wonder if that did any good whatsoever. I wonder if anything happened.\u201d There was <em>nothing<\/em> remarkable\u2014<em>ever<\/em>. You know what it\u2019s like, until this day? She\u2019s married and has a first child of her own now. When you have a family in the family room doing family worship, they do what families do in the family room. The three-year-old\u2019s are rolling around on the floor; they\u2019re being real families. Yet, you do this, night after night, year after year, and the Word does its work. God may do things that you never imagined He was doing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, again, that\u2019s Don Whitney, talking about family devotions in his home. We were listening to that, and smiling, and nodding our heads. We\u2019ve all been there; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But the truth is\u2014you do what God prompts you to do. You share His Word; His Word does not return void. You be faithful as a parent; and your faithfulness will mark your kids, maybe, as much as whatever the spiritual principles you\u2019re teaching do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> We were together with our three sons. I remember saying, \u201cYou guys remember some of those <em>great<\/em> devotional things that I did?\u2014like those big props?\u201d They said, \u201cNo.\u201d [Laughter] I said, \u201cWait; you don\u2019t remember <em>one<\/em>?\u201d They said, \u201cNope.\u201d It was the most disappointing\u2014I just thought, \u201cWhat\u2019s the use?\u201d Then one of them said: \u201cBut we remembered that it was so important to you, and we can remember you crying at times. We can remember that Jesus is the most important thing in your life. That\u2019s what we remember.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019ll add this\u2014our middle son, who has three [of our] grandkids is doing that, at night, crawling in their bed; one of them\u2014crawling in the crib. You watch him do these crazy\u2014they\u2019re not Tim Shoemaker crazy\u2014but now they will be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No potato guns with the infants.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Once he gets this book\u2014they\u2019re going to eat it up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would add this\u2014even as I listened to Don there, I thought, \u201cYou know, I\u2019m not Don; I\u2019m not Tim.\u201d I can be intimidated\u2014like: \u201cI can\u2019t be that creative. I can\u2019t be that consistent.\u201d But I can be me, and you can be you; so do <em>you<\/em>, and do something. That\u2019s the key: \u201cDo something. Do it your way. God will honor your faithfulness.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Tim, this has been great; this has been inspiring, and motivating, and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and fun.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m ready to get the grandkids and get a pickle and some nails and go to work. [Laughter] If you\u2019re wondering what I\u2019m talking about, get a copy of Tim\u2019s book, <em>The Very Best, Hands-On, Kinda Dangerous Family Devotions,<\/em> which we\u2019ve got in our FamilyLife Resource Center. Thanks for being on <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> My pleasure. Thank you all. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order a copy of Tim\u2019s book on family devotions. You can order it from us, online, or you can call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. The title of the book again: <em>The Very Best, Hands-On, Kinda Dangerous Family Devotions<\/em> by Tim Shoemaker. Order online at FamilyLIfeToday.com, or call to order at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, a reminder\u2014we talked about this earlier\u2014the month of December is a critical month for FamilyLife as we approach the end of the calendar year. What happens over the next couple of weeks will determine what FamilyLife is able to do in the year 2020: \u201cCan we continue on this local radio station\/on our network of stations across the country? Can we expand the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, going forward?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe think the need is urgent. We\u2019re hoping you will help us take advantage of a matching gift that\u2019s been made available to us. 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