{"id":305509,"date":"2019-11-09T06:00:05","date_gmt":"2019-11-09T11:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/surrendering-your-plans-to-god-2\/"},"modified":"2019-11-09T06:00:05","modified_gmt":"2019-11-09T11:00:05","slug":"surrendering-your-plans-to-god-2","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-this-week\/surrendering-your-plans-to-god-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Surrendering Your Plans to God"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lauren Chandler, Mike Howerton, and William Barcley teach that surrendering your plans to God is the first step in knowing His will.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"http:\/\/d2c17sq0nj1f7e.cloudfront.net\/flw2019-11-09.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:26:22","filesize":"24.14M","filesize_raw":"25307512","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2822],"tags":[],"podcast_series":[],"cwp_profile":[3528,3520,3527],"series":[10388],"class_list":["post-305509","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","hentry","category-growing-in-your-faith","cwp_profile-lauren-chandler","cwp_profile-mike-howerton","cwp_profile-william-barcley","series-familylife-this-week"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":false,"episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/10\/FLTW-Podcast-Cover-2-1400x1400-1-300x300-1.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/dts.podtrac.com\/redirect.mp3\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/305509\/surrendering-your-plans-to-god-2","player_link":"https:\/\/dts.podtrac.com\/redirect.mp3\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/305509\/surrendering-your-plans-to-god-2","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-this-week","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"xE67NF0TRw\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-this-week\/surrendering-your-plans-to-god-2\/\">Surrendering Your Plans to God<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-this-week\/surrendering-your-plans-to-god-2\/embed\/#?secret=xE67NF0TRw\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Surrendering Your Plans to God&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"xE67NF0TRw\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Lauren Chandler also understands this feeling.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> So it was manageable for a long time; because I could think: \u201cWell, you know, this is a good desire! I want to lead worship; I want to do something that I know the Lord\u2019s called me to do.\u201d I couldn\u2019t manage it for a while; and I could explain away the dissatisfaction in different ways until, finally, I was just <em>so tired.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s Lauren Chandler from a recent interview with Dennis Rainey and Bob Lepine on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><em>. <\/em>Well, Lauren\u2019s going to join me in the studio a little bit later on. We\u2019re going to talk about a big desire in her life to lead worship and how that desire turned into a big problem. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week. <\/em>I\u2019m Michelle Hill. You know, I\u2019ve been hearing a lot of talk about calling lately\u2014not calling on your cell phones; not calling out the back door, yelling at someone to come for supper\u2014but that calling of: \u201cWhat am I good at?\u201d You know, \u201cI don\u2019t feel called to my job anymore. I must not be called here.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, God does have a call on all of our lives, and for many people, we\u2019re left with, \u201cWell, what is it?!\u201d I recently read an article, and the author was talking about calling. She took up piano, when she was a young person, and she was really good at it. So that must have been God\u2019s calling on her life; right? But she would tell you, \u201cNo\u201d; because that is not the vocation that she\u2019s in. She enjoys piano, but that\u2019s not where she went in life. She would also say that we need to be careful of saying that our calling is how we best express ourselves, or our calling is how God has gifted us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs we set up this framework around the idea of calling, maybe we need to hear what it is <em>not <\/em>to better understand what <em>it is<\/em>. Let\u2019s hear from Mike Howerton, who has spent many years as a college pastor. I\u2019m sure that he\u2019s answered this calling question just a few times. Mike is lead pastor of Overlake Christian Church in Seattle, Washington. He shared with Dennis Rainey and Bob Lepine about how we could get this whole calling thing wrong.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike:<\/strong> In ministry for 22 years, I have seen a lot of that misconception. I\u2019ve seen a lot of that abuse of using\/sort of\u2014I call it: \u201cPlaying the God card,\u201d\u2014\u201cHey, God told me this!\u201d And how can you argue with that?\u2014because if God really did tell them; you know? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the first things I\u2019ll say is: \u201cGod\u2019s call will never contradict God\u2019s Word.\u201d God has already called us generally, revealing His general call through the Word that we have today. So knowing the Word\u2014investing your time in the Word\/meditating on the Word\u2014that will be a <em>great<\/em> first step to discerning God\u2019s call in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So the Scripture is our plumb line for where we start\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike:<\/strong> Absolutely!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014not an experience.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike:<\/strong> Absolutely; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Although God does speak to us through experiences that we have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike:<\/strong> He does speak through experiences; and He does, I think, speak directly into our hearts as well. I believe that the Spirit of God is given to every single believer, dwelling within us. I would confess to you\/to all those listening today that I have never heard the audible voice of the Lord; but I have felt His prompting\/I have felt His leading. There are times when I can\u2019t describe why I would be pressed to reach out to a person, or to make a phone call, or to write a letter; and yet I know, because of confirmation from the other end, that God was absolutely directing that moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would have to say it all has to fall under the general call of Scripture. We\u2019re called to love God; we\u2019re called to love people; we\u2019re called to serve the world. Underneath that general umbrella, I believe that God really does want a relationship with each one of us that is intimate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think one of the words of caution here is that, when you have that sense\/that prompting\u2014that: \u201cGee, is the Lord really leading me in this direction?\u201d\u2014God\u2019s Word is certain. Those promptings are subjective and may be less certain; that doesn\u2019t mean that you don\u2019t respond to the prompting. It just means that you don\u2019t presume that the prompting is as authoritative in your life as God\u2019s Word is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s so true from Bob Lepine. Bob was talking with Mike Howerton, and Mike was reminding us that our most important things in life can be summed up in a relationship: loving God and loving others.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOkay, so that doesn\u2019t help me out with this call on my life at all; because there are a whole lot of things that I\u2019m fairly good at, and there are a few specific ways that I\u2019ve been gifted. In fact, there\u2019s a calling or a yearning in my heart to be something\u2014and I\u2019ve had this for quite a long time\u2014but instead, God keeps me here, right where He has me: \u201cHow do I keep the hope of what I believe my call is balanced with resting in His perfect plan for me?\u201d Have you every wrestled with that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWilliam Barcley is Senior Pastor at Sovereign Grace Presbyterian Church in Charlotte, North Carolina. He\u2019s also an adjunct professor at Reformed Theological Seminary. He says that there are ways to find rest and satisfaction with where God has us. Maybe we just need to \u201cbe.\u201d Here\u2019s William Barcley.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>William:<\/strong> I think there are two ways that we find contentment in the midst of our difficult situations\u2014in the midst of hardship\/in the midst of affliction\u2014whatever it is. One is: \u201cWe simply do the work that God has called us to do.\u201d I mean, I think that\u2019s one. We carry on with the work that God has called us to do there until God moves us elsewhere. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s exactly what Paul did. In Philippians, Chapter 1, Paul talks about his imprisonment; and he says, \u201cMy imprisonment has become known to the palace guard that I am here for Christ.\u201d Well, how has it become known to the palace guard? Well, it\u2019s because Paul continued to preach the gospel in that circumstance. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA lot of times we think, when we go through difficulty, that we need to wait for a <em>better<\/em> circumstance before we carry on with the work that God has called us to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014or before we find contentment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>William:<\/strong> \u2014before we find contentment; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNo one, for instance, probably would have blamed Paul for saying, \u201cWell, I\u2019m just going to sit back here and wait in this time of imprisonment; and then I\u2019ll go on with my ministry and go on preaching the gospel.\u201d No; what did Paul do? He wrote letters to encourage his churches, and he continued to preach the gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSeveral years ago, there was a study done. People were asked: \u201cWhat do you live for?\u201d Ninety-four percent of the people who responded to that survey answered that they were <em>waiting<\/em> for something: either they were single, and they were waiting to get married; they were married, they were waiting to have kids; they were married with kids, and they were waiting for the kids to grow up and leave the home; waiting for a new job. The answers, in some ways, were different; but 94 percent answered in terms of <em>waiting<\/em> for something to happen instead of doing the work that God had called them to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s some great encouragement from William Barcley: \u201cDo the work that God has called you to now. Don\u2019t delay. Don\u2019t wait any longer.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was at an event recently with Christian recording artist, Sandi Patty. You remember Sandi; right? She sang a lot of hit songs back in the \u201880s and \u201890s, including the song, <em>Love in Any Language<\/em>. [Sandi singing <em>Love in Any Language<\/em>] She happened to say, at this event, that our journey is a compass; it is <em>not<\/em> a stopwatch. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat kind of stuck with me because we, as people, tend to set timelines for our life, and then we fit our callings into those spaces\u2014you know: \u201cI\u2019m 20 years old; I should be in college,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m 25 years old; I should be married and have one kid,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m 35 years old, and I should have my Master\u2019s and progressing in my career,\u201d\u2014on and on and on and on it goes! We forget that that\u2019s not necessarily what God has for us. Sandi encouraged everyone to just keep walking forward. Life is <em>not<\/em> about those timelines; it\u2019s more of a compass of where God\u2019s taking our journey. [Sandi singing <em>Love in Any Language<\/em>]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey! We need to take a break right now, but Lauren Chandler is going to join me in the studio right after that break. We\u2019ll be talking about what God\u2019s calling on her life looks like. Lauren, being married to Matt Chandler\u2014you\u2019re probably thinking, \u201cWell, her calling is to be a pastor\u2019s wife.\u201d Well, the answer is: \u201cIt might be a little bit more complicated than that.\u201d Stay tuned. [Sandi singing <em>Love in Any Language<\/em>]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Radio Station Spot Break]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle: <\/strong>Welcome back to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I'm Michelle Hill. Today, we\u2019re talking about calling; specifically, God\u2019s calling on your life. Just what does that look like? I don\u2019t know about you; but sometimes, I can get a little confused. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI invited somebody else who, at times, has been a little confused; yet she is further through the journey, and God has shown her what His calling on her life is. I\u2019m talking about Lauren Chandler. Welcome, Lauren.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Thanks for having me, Michelle!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Thanks for joining me! I always enjoy being able to have people in the studio, because not all of the time do I do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Sometimes, it\u2019s over the phone. Those interviews can be really good\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014but they can also be a little bit tough.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes, they can. There\u2019s something that the face to face helps <em>a lot.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes. Okay; before we get going, whenever there\u2019s a woman, who joins me in the studio, I always have to ask her, \u201cWhat\u2019s your favorite chocolate?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> My favorite chocolate?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> You\u2019re going to be disappointed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Oh, no!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I\u2019m not a chocolate person! What\u2019s wrong with me?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I know! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I\u2019m like a woman!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We can\u2019t be friends.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I know! Isn\u2019t that horrible?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I mean, come on; just leave right now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> What in the world?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love like hot tamales! [Laughter] I want that chewy, gummy candy; isn\u2019t that weird?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Ahhh.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I know; I\u2019m sorry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I guess we all have our thing!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes, we do. Most women have their favorite chocolates.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I know!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So anything else?\u2014coffee?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Now, I do like\u2014if I\u2019ve got to choose a chocolate, I would choose maybe a dark chocolate with lots of salt and almonds in it\u2014like with the big granules of salt.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes; sounds good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I like that kind of stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That is really good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> There you go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Am I okay now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You\u2019re safe; you\u2019re safe.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Thanks!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Okay; I want to talk today about just who Lauren Chandler is. We know you\u2019re a wife; you\u2019re a mom; you\u2019re a worship leader; you\u2019re an author; but how would you describe yourself?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I would say that, one, I am a daughter of the King\u2014I really am; I\u2019m His. I am not forgotten\u2014that He pays attention to me\u2014that He cares. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut that He has also put some things into my heart to do, and most of those things have to do with connection. I feel like I\u2019m a connector. You know, as a worship leader, my job is to connect with the people in hopes that they would connect with the Lord\u2014that\u2019s my job\u2014it\u2019s not for them to look at me. My job is that they might connect with the God, who loves them, who has a desire forthem and their worship. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, even a connector, relationally. I meet different people; and I\u2019ll think: \u201cOh, my goodness! You need to meet this person!\u201d \u201cYou need to connect with this person.\u201d I think, naturally, I\u2019m given to be a connector. That\u2019s who I would say \u201cLauren is,\u201d in my essence, I guess.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s so neat; right. As a connector\u2014I\u2019ve never heard someone describe themselves as that\u2014maybe as a daughter of the King, but not as a connector.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That is just a really unique way of looking at it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So with worship, and being a worship leader, how did that come about for you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Well, I always sang in church, growing up. I was a part of this little ensemble of four girls. We were called First Song, because we were singing at First Baptist Church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Aww! How old?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> It started in like junior high; so probably seventh grade, all the way through my senior year of high school. We sang all the Point of Grace songs; we sang Sierra\u2014all these great songs.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Oh, yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> And then, in 1999, I was a freshman in college. I went to Passion\u2014the Passion Conference.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I heard Christy Nockels lead; and I was like: \u201cAhh! I\u2019ve never heard a woman lead worship like that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> There really hadn\u2019t been a space for women worship leaders. It was kind of like you sang the special at church\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014the solo or whatever. As far as singing these songs to the Lord\u2014but inviting all these people to join in with her to sing these songs to and about Him\u2014that\u2019s where that seed was planted. I already loved music, and I loved to sing; but that\u2019s where the seed was planted. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought, \u201cOkay, this is a way that I could glorify God in my singing,\u201d\u2014and not just singing, you know, Point of Grace songs at church\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014but a little bit of a different spin on it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> To be more of the connector, as you said. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes!\u2014to be more of the connector. I feel like the Lord keeps refining this vision for me. I think I\u2019m so given to be a performer\u2014like I want to perform, and I want to be perfect. The Lord has just said: \u201cYou know what? I haven\u2019t made you to, nor asked you to perform. What I want you to do is <em>prepare<\/em>. I want you to be a part of preparing the people to receive the Word, and maybe to receive some encounter with Me.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s where I\u2019m having more and more peace with the gift God\u2019s given me\u2014seeing it: \u201cOkay, I\u2019m not going to be a performer. I\u2019m not a singer\/songwriter, with my guitar up there, singing these songs.\u201d The heart of it is for me to be a conduit for people to connect with the Lord, and not to perform.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So right out of college, did you go right into a church? Were you a worship leader from that point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> No! It was a long, hard road. It was hard, because there was still this little performer inside of me\u2014really insecure\u2014was wanting to get all my identity from being a worship leader, or from singing\/from music. It just\u2014it\u2019s a <em>horrible<\/em> place to try to find your identity\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014to know who you are\u2014because there\u2019s always going to be someone that sings better than you do; there\u2019s always going to be someone that receives more compliments than you do; there\u2019s going to be someone that has more solos than you do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would sing and not be satisfied, because I didn\u2019t like how I sounded. I didn\u2019t want to sound like <em>me.<\/em> I wanted to sound like someone else that I knew\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cOh, everybody likes how she sounds! That\u2019s what I want to sound like!\u201d So I would kind of copy my voice after her. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I tell people I realized, \u201cI\u2019m a poor version of anyone else\u2019s authentic self.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We all are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes; so the Lord just saying, \u201cI have given you a voice.\u201d I wasn\u2019t satisfied; I wasn\u2019t there yet in college, or even in my early 20s; I hadn\u2019t made peace with that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> But did you feel called?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You felt like, \u201cThis is God\u2019s path for me.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> But it was still\u2014it was about \u201cme\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Right; a lot of times\u2014you know, we\u2019ll have an idea of what the Lord\u2019s called us to do\u2014maybe it\u2019s just a desire; it\u2019s something that\u2019s in our hearts to do that we want to do. I think, a lot of times, we\u2019ll think: \u201cOh, it\u2019s a bad desire! If I want to do it, then I probably am not supposed to do it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s wrong thinking. I think, probably, it\u2019s a desire that needs to be refined. It needs the right timing; it needs some waiting on the Lord to use it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, I knew this calling; but I didn\u2019t know what it was going to look like. There was a <em>load <\/em>of refining to do before He was going to let me really enjoy the fruit of this calling.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> So, you know, there were a lot of ups and downs; because I wasn\u2019t satisfied with my voice. Then, when I didn\u2019t get to sing, I wasn\u2019t satisfied; because I hadn\u2019t been asked to sing. It was just this <em>horrible<\/em> cycle of dissatisfaction and frustration. Finally, the Lord was like: \u201cYou know what? I\u2019ve got to be enough for you, even if you <em>never<\/em> sing!\u201d He brought 2 Corinthians 12:9 before me\u2014kind of set it before me: \u201cFor My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, looking back on that now\u2014and seeing that play out in my life more\u2014that weakness part is\u2014yes, the weakness of the struggle\u2014but also, the weakness of: \u201cMaybe my voice isn\u2019t perfect\u201d; \u201cMaybe I don\u2019t sing a song perfectly; but the Lord\u2014He is going to be glorified and strong, even in <em>that<\/em> kind of weakness\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014\u201ceven in a literal weakness in my voice.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It\u2019s true. When you laid down your desire\u2014and then, when God picked it back up\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014did it feel good during that time?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I mean, it was a struggle. I feel like I kind of went through a few seasons like that, where I would lay it down, and then I would pick it back up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> But when I finally laid it down for good, I was doing so much work on my heart that I was preoccupied with deep, heart-level work that He was doing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I was going through\u2014I was really going through steps\u2014Celebrate Recovery\u2019s step program; you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Really?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> For this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes, for this! This perfectionism\u2014this desire to <em>not<\/em> be me, and to be somebody else\u2014this desire to <em>perform<\/em>. I just knew that I needed to do something radical. I\u2019m telling you\u2014I would recommend everyone do some kind of Celebrate Recovery; or our church does Recovery Redemption\u2014some kind of program; because essentially, even if it\u2019s not an addiction to substance or a relationship, deep down, we kind of all have the same issue\u2014is that we want to be God! We don\u2019t want Him to tell us what to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tReally, our souls are in the best place when we\u2019re submitted to Him; because He is a <em>loving<\/em> God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> He knows what\u2019s best for us. It\u2019s not out of some, you know, desire to be controlling or for Him to make our lives miserable\u2014no! He loves us; we are His dearly loved children; and He wants to lead us into, you know, pleasures forevermore.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Now, are you still worship leader at church?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes, I am. It\u2019s been interesting\u2014being faithful in all these little places, the Lord has opened up more doors.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes. What is it like to be standing up there and seeing the folks be connected with God and seeing that God is just working mightily in hearts? What does that do for you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes; oh, it strengthens my faith; that\u2019s for sure. Sometimes, it\u2019s overwhelming; I can\u2019t sing; because I\u2019m just overcome with emotion. I think, more than anything, it strengthens my faith. I think that\u2019s what\u2019s great about\u2014and why Scripture implores us to gather together with the saints\u2014because we need that to face a week; you know? When I get to do that, it\u2019s like a shot of adrenaline to my faith: \u201cLord, You can do <em>anything!!\u201d<\/em>\u2014you know?\u2014\u201cI trust You! Look what You\u2019ve done!\u201d I feel just kind of revved up for whatever\u2019s next. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It\u2019s so interesting. God knows, above all, what we need and at the right timing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes; He does. And you know, it\u2019s interesting\u2014I\u2019ve kind of gotten a little bit of a taste of what I <em>thought <\/em>I wanted\u2014where I\u2019ll travel here or do this. I actually did like a little tour with a friend, not too long ago. It was fun, and I\u2019ll do it again; but I was like: \u201cMan! If I had to do this <em>all<\/em> the time\u2026!\u201d What I wanted, while I was there, was to be back home with my kids, sitting on my back porch with all of our animals around us. That\u2019s where I get a lot of peace and life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s like the Lord knew. He knew better than I did that\u2014if I, you know, was traveling all the time\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014and, you know, leading worship all over the place\u2014that I would have just shriveled up. I didn\u2019t know that, but He knew.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Neat.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Thank you, Lauren, for joining me today on <em>FamilyLife This Week.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes, my pleasure. Thanks for having me!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It\u2019s been a joy!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Likewise. [Lauren singing <em>No Other One<\/em>]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You know, as we go through each day\u2014and each day adds up to years and, basically, our life\u2014we need to remember that, ultimately, our call is growing in our relationship with Christ. The outflow of that is what He asks us to do. We need to have patience, and maybe that\u2019s part of the secret of contentment. And as with everything, we need to pray without ceasing\u2014pray, pray, pray. Something to think about as you\u2019re on your own journey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThinking about prayer without ceasing, what <em>is<\/em> the secret sauce to prayer? Have you ever wondered that? I tend to. Some will tell you it\u2019s about fasting; you know, giving up food. Others will say it\u2019s about praying God\u2019s words back to Him. Well, next week, we\u2019re going to take a look at praying for our children. There just might be a right way and a wrong way to do that; but you\u2019ll have to listen to find out. I hope you can join us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, thanks for listening! I want to thank the president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, David Robbins, along with our station partners around the country. A big \u201cThank you!\u201d to the team I pray for daily: for our engineer, Keith Lynch. Thanks to our producers, Marques Holt and Bruce Goff. Justin Adams is our mastering engineer, and Megan Martin is our production coordinator.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur program is a production of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, and our mission is to effectively develop godly families who change the world one home at a time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI'm Michelle Hill, inviting you to join us again next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife This Week.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<sup>\u00a9<\/sup>Song:\u00a0 <em>Love in Any Language<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tArtist:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sandi Patty\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlbum:\u00a0 <em>Morning Like This<\/em> (p)1986\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<sup>\u00a9<\/sup>Song:\u00a0 <em>No Other One<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tArtist:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Lauren Chandler\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlbum:\u00a0 <em>The Narrow Place <\/em>(p) 2012\u00a0\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>We are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. 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You know, I\u2019ve been hearing a lot of talk about calling lately\u2014not calling on your cell phones; not calling out the back door, yelling at someone to come for supper\u2014but that calling of: \u201cWhat am I good at?\u201d You know, \u201cI don\u2019t feel called to my job anymore. I must not be called here.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, God does have a call on all of our lives, and for many people, we\u2019re left with, \u201cWell, what is it?!\u201d I recently read an article, and the author was talking about calling. She took up piano, when she was a young person, and she was really good at it. So that must have been God\u2019s calling on her life; right? But she would tell you, \u201cNo\u201d; because that is not the vocation that she\u2019s in. She enjoys piano, but that\u2019s not where she went in life. She would also say that we need to be careful of saying that our calling is how we best express ourselves, or our calling is how God has gifted us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs we set up this framework around the idea of calling, maybe we need to hear what it is <em>not <\/em>to better understand what <em>it is<\/em>. Let\u2019s hear from Mike Howerton, who has spent many years as a college pastor. I\u2019m sure that he\u2019s answered this calling question just a few times. Mike is lead pastor of Overlake Christian Church in Seattle, Washington. He shared with Dennis Rainey and Bob Lepine about how we could get this whole calling thing wrong.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike:<\/strong> In ministry for 22 years, I have seen a lot of that misconception. I\u2019ve seen a lot of that abuse of using\/sort of\u2014I call it: \u201cPlaying the God card,\u201d\u2014\u201cHey, God told me this!\u201d And how can you argue with that?\u2014because if God really did tell them; you know? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the first things I\u2019ll say is: \u201cGod\u2019s call will never contradict God\u2019s Word.\u201d God has already called us generally, revealing His general call through the Word that we have today. So knowing the Word\u2014investing your time in the Word\/meditating on the Word\u2014that will be a <em>great<\/em> first step to discerning God\u2019s call in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So the Scripture is our plumb line for where we start\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike:<\/strong> Absolutely!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014not an experience.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike:<\/strong> Absolutely; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Although God does speak to us through experiences that we have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike:<\/strong> He does speak through experiences; and He does, I think, speak directly into our hearts as well. I believe that the Spirit of God is given to every single believer, dwelling within us. I would confess to you\/to all those listening today that I have never heard the audible voice of the Lord; but I have felt His prompting\/I have felt His leading. There are times when I can\u2019t describe why I would be pressed to reach out to a person, or to make a phone call, or to write a letter; and yet I know, because of confirmation from the other end, that God was absolutely directing that moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would have to say it all has to fall under the general call of Scripture. We\u2019re called to love God; we\u2019re called to love people; we\u2019re called to serve the world. Underneath that general umbrella, I believe that God really does want a relationship with each one of us that is intimate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think one of the words of caution here is that, when you have that sense\/that prompting\u2014that: \u201cGee, is the Lord really leading me in this direction?\u201d\u2014God\u2019s Word is certain. Those promptings are subjective and may be less certain; that doesn\u2019t mean that you don\u2019t respond to the prompting. It just means that you don\u2019t presume that the prompting is as authoritative in your life as God\u2019s Word is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s so true from Bob Lepine. Bob was talking with Mike Howerton, and Mike was reminding us that our most important things in life can be summed up in a relationship: loving God and loving others.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOkay, so that doesn\u2019t help me out with this call on my life at all; because there are a whole lot of things that I\u2019m fairly good at, and there are a few specific ways that I\u2019ve been gifted. In fact, there\u2019s a calling or a yearning in my heart to be something\u2014and I\u2019ve had this for quite a long time\u2014but instead, God keeps me here, right where He has me: \u201cHow do I keep the hope of what I believe my call is balanced with resting in His perfect plan for me?\u201d Have you every wrestled with that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWilliam Barcley is Senior Pastor at Sovereign Grace Presbyterian Church in Charlotte, North Carolina. He\u2019s also an adjunct professor at Reformed Theological Seminary. He says that there are ways to find rest and satisfaction with where God has us. Maybe we just need to \u201cbe.\u201d Here\u2019s William Barcley.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>William:<\/strong> I think there are two ways that we find contentment in the midst of our difficult situations\u2014in the midst of hardship\/in the midst of affliction\u2014whatever it is. One is: \u201cWe simply do the work that God has called us to do.\u201d I mean, I think that\u2019s one. We carry on with the work that God has called us to do there until God moves us elsewhere. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s exactly what Paul did. In Philippians, Chapter 1, Paul talks about his imprisonment; and he says, \u201cMy imprisonment has become known to the palace guard that I am here for Christ.\u201d Well, how has it become known to the palace guard? Well, it\u2019s because Paul continued to preach the gospel in that circumstance. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA lot of times we think, when we go through difficulty, that we need to wait for a <em>better<\/em> circumstance before we carry on with the work that God has called us to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014or before we find contentment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>William:<\/strong> \u2014before we find contentment; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNo one, for instance, probably would have blamed Paul for saying, \u201cWell, I\u2019m just going to sit back here and wait in this time of imprisonment; and then I\u2019ll go on with my ministry and go on preaching the gospel.\u201d No; what did Paul do? He wrote letters to encourage his churches, and he continued to preach the gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSeveral years ago, there was a study done. People were asked: \u201cWhat do you live for?\u201d Ninety-four percent of the people who responded to that survey answered that they were <em>waiting<\/em> for something: either they were single, and they were waiting to get married; they were married, they were waiting to have kids; they were married with kids, and they were waiting for the kids to grow up and leave the home; waiting for a new job. The answers, in some ways, were different; but 94 percent answered in terms of <em>waiting<\/em> for something to happen instead of doing the work that God had called them to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s some great encouragement from William Barcley: \u201cDo the work that God has called you to now. Don\u2019t delay. Don\u2019t wait any longer.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was at an event recently with Christian recording artist, Sandi Patty. You remember Sandi; right? She sang a lot of hit songs back in the \u201880s and \u201890s, including the song, <em>Love in Any Language<\/em>. [Sandi singing <em>Love in Any Language<\/em>] She happened to say, at this event, that our journey is a compass; it is <em>not<\/em> a stopwatch. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat kind of stuck with me because we, as people, tend to set timelines for our life, and then we fit our callings into those spaces\u2014you know: \u201cI\u2019m 20 years old; I should be in college,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m 25 years old; I should be married and have one kid,\u201d \u201cI\u2019m 35 years old, and I should have my Master\u2019s and progressing in my career,\u201d\u2014on and on and on and on it goes! We forget that that\u2019s not necessarily what God has for us. Sandi encouraged everyone to just keep walking forward. Life is <em>not<\/em> about those timelines; it\u2019s more of a compass of where God\u2019s taking our journey. [Sandi singing <em>Love in Any Language<\/em>]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey! We need to take a break right now, but Lauren Chandler is going to join me in the studio right after that break. We\u2019ll be talking about what God\u2019s calling on her life looks like. Lauren, being married to Matt Chandler\u2014you\u2019re probably thinking, \u201cWell, her calling is to be a pastor\u2019s wife.\u201d Well, the answer is: \u201cIt might be a little bit more complicated than that.\u201d Stay tuned. [Sandi singing <em>Love in Any Language<\/em>]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Radio Station Spot Break]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle: <\/strong>Welcome back to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I'm Michelle Hill. Today, we\u2019re talking about calling; specifically, God\u2019s calling on your life. Just what does that look like? I don\u2019t know about you; but sometimes, I can get a little confused. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI invited somebody else who, at times, has been a little confused; yet she is further through the journey, and God has shown her what His calling on her life is. I\u2019m talking about Lauren Chandler. Welcome, Lauren.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Thanks for having me, Michelle!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Thanks for joining me! I always enjoy being able to have people in the studio, because not all of the time do I do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Sometimes, it\u2019s over the phone. Those interviews can be really good\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014but they can also be a little bit tough.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes, they can. There\u2019s something that the face to face helps <em>a lot.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes. Okay; before we get going, whenever there\u2019s a woman, who joins me in the studio, I always have to ask her, \u201cWhat\u2019s your favorite chocolate?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> My favorite chocolate?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> You\u2019re going to be disappointed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Oh, no!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I\u2019m not a chocolate person! What\u2019s wrong with me?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I know! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I\u2019m like a woman!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We can\u2019t be friends.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I know! Isn\u2019t that horrible?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I mean, come on; just leave right now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> What in the world?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love like hot tamales! [Laughter] I want that chewy, gummy candy; isn\u2019t that weird?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Ahhh.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I know; I\u2019m sorry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I guess we all have our thing!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes, we do. Most women have their favorite chocolates.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I know!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So anything else?\u2014coffee?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Now, I do like\u2014if I\u2019ve got to choose a chocolate, I would choose maybe a dark chocolate with lots of salt and almonds in it\u2014like with the big granules of salt.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes; sounds good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I like that kind of stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That is really good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> There you go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Am I okay now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You\u2019re safe; you\u2019re safe.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Thanks!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Okay; I want to talk today about just who Lauren Chandler is. We know you\u2019re a wife; you\u2019re a mom; you\u2019re a worship leader; you\u2019re an author; but how would you describe yourself?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I would say that, one, I am a daughter of the King\u2014I really am; I\u2019m His. I am not forgotten\u2014that He pays attention to me\u2014that He cares. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut that He has also put some things into my heart to do, and most of those things have to do with connection. I feel like I\u2019m a connector. You know, as a worship leader, my job is to connect with the people in hopes that they would connect with the Lord\u2014that\u2019s my job\u2014it\u2019s not for them to look at me. My job is that they might connect with the God, who loves them, who has a desire forthem and their worship. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, even a connector, relationally. I meet different people; and I\u2019ll think: \u201cOh, my goodness! You need to meet this person!\u201d \u201cYou need to connect with this person.\u201d I think, naturally, I\u2019m given to be a connector. That\u2019s who I would say \u201cLauren is,\u201d in my essence, I guess.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That\u2019s so neat; right. As a connector\u2014I\u2019ve never heard someone describe themselves as that\u2014maybe as a daughter of the King, but not as a connector.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That is just a really unique way of looking at it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So with worship, and being a worship leader, how did that come about for you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Well, I always sang in church, growing up. I was a part of this little ensemble of four girls. We were called First Song, because we were singing at First Baptist Church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Aww! How old?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> It started in like junior high; so probably seventh grade, all the way through my senior year of high school. We sang all the Point of Grace songs; we sang Sierra\u2014all these great songs.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Oh, yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> And then, in 1999, I was a freshman in college. I went to Passion\u2014the Passion Conference.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I heard Christy Nockels lead; and I was like: \u201cAhh! I\u2019ve never heard a woman lead worship like that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> There really hadn\u2019t been a space for women worship leaders. It was kind of like you sang the special at church\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014the solo or whatever. As far as singing these songs to the Lord\u2014but inviting all these people to join in with her to sing these songs to and about Him\u2014that\u2019s where that seed was planted. I already loved music, and I loved to sing; but that\u2019s where the seed was planted. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought, \u201cOkay, this is a way that I could glorify God in my singing,\u201d\u2014and not just singing, you know, Point of Grace songs at church\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014but a little bit of a different spin on it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> To be more of the connector, as you said. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes!\u2014to be more of the connector. I feel like the Lord keeps refining this vision for me. I think I\u2019m so given to be a performer\u2014like I want to perform, and I want to be perfect. The Lord has just said: \u201cYou know what? I haven\u2019t made you to, nor asked you to perform. What I want you to do is <em>prepare<\/em>. I want you to be a part of preparing the people to receive the Word, and maybe to receive some encounter with Me.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s where I\u2019m having more and more peace with the gift God\u2019s given me\u2014seeing it: \u201cOkay, I\u2019m not going to be a performer. I\u2019m not a singer\/songwriter, with my guitar up there, singing these songs.\u201d The heart of it is for me to be a conduit for people to connect with the Lord, and not to perform.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> So right out of college, did you go right into a church? Were you a worship leader from that point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> No! It was a long, hard road. It was hard, because there was still this little performer inside of me\u2014really insecure\u2014was wanting to get all my identity from being a worship leader, or from singing\/from music. It just\u2014it\u2019s a <em>horrible<\/em> place to try to find your identity\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014to know who you are\u2014because there\u2019s always going to be someone that sings better than you do; there\u2019s always going to be someone that receives more compliments than you do; there\u2019s going to be someone that has more solos than you do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would sing and not be satisfied, because I didn\u2019t like how I sounded. I didn\u2019t want to sound like <em>me.<\/em> I wanted to sound like someone else that I knew\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cOh, everybody likes how she sounds! That\u2019s what I want to sound like!\u201d So I would kind of copy my voice after her. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I tell people I realized, \u201cI\u2019m a poor version of anyone else\u2019s authentic self.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> We all are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes; so the Lord just saying, \u201cI have given you a voice.\u201d I wasn\u2019t satisfied; I wasn\u2019t there yet in college, or even in my early 20s; I hadn\u2019t made peace with that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> But did you feel called?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You felt like, \u201cThis is God\u2019s path for me.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> But it was still\u2014it was about \u201cme\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Right; a lot of times\u2014you know, we\u2019ll have an idea of what the Lord\u2019s called us to do\u2014maybe it\u2019s just a desire; it\u2019s something that\u2019s in our hearts to do that we want to do. I think, a lot of times, we\u2019ll think: \u201cOh, it\u2019s a bad desire! If I want to do it, then I probably am not supposed to do it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s wrong thinking. I think, probably, it\u2019s a desire that needs to be refined. It needs the right timing; it needs some waiting on the Lord to use it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, I knew this calling; but I didn\u2019t know what it was going to look like. There was a <em>load <\/em>of refining to do before He was going to let me really enjoy the fruit of this calling.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> So, you know, there were a lot of ups and downs; because I wasn\u2019t satisfied with my voice. Then, when I didn\u2019t get to sing, I wasn\u2019t satisfied; because I hadn\u2019t been asked to sing. It was just this <em>horrible<\/em> cycle of dissatisfaction and frustration. Finally, the Lord was like: \u201cYou know what? I\u2019ve got to be enough for you, even if you <em>never<\/em> sing!\u201d He brought 2 Corinthians 12:9 before me\u2014kind of set it before me: \u201cFor My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, looking back on that now\u2014and seeing that play out in my life more\u2014that weakness part is\u2014yes, the weakness of the struggle\u2014but also, the weakness of: \u201cMaybe my voice isn\u2019t perfect\u201d; \u201cMaybe I don\u2019t sing a song perfectly; but the Lord\u2014He is going to be glorified and strong, even in <em>that<\/em> kind of weakness\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014\u201ceven in a literal weakness in my voice.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It\u2019s true. When you laid down your desire\u2014and then, when God picked it back up\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> \u2014did it feel good during that time?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I mean, it was a struggle. I feel like I kind of went through a few seasons like that, where I would lay it down, and then I would pick it back up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> But when I finally laid it down for good, I was doing so much work on my heart that I was preoccupied with deep, heart-level work that He was doing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> I was going through\u2014I was really going through steps\u2014Celebrate Recovery\u2019s step program; you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Really?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> For this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes, for this! This perfectionism\u2014this desire to <em>not<\/em> be me, and to be somebody else\u2014this desire to <em>perform<\/em>. I just knew that I needed to do something radical. I\u2019m telling you\u2014I would recommend everyone do some kind of Celebrate Recovery; or our church does Recovery Redemption\u2014some kind of program; because essentially, even if it\u2019s not an addiction to substance or a relationship, deep down, we kind of all have the same issue\u2014is that we want to be God! We don\u2019t want Him to tell us what to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tReally, our souls are in the best place when we\u2019re submitted to Him; because He is a <em>loving<\/em> God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> He knows what\u2019s best for us. It\u2019s not out of some, you know, desire to be controlling or for Him to make our lives miserable\u2014no! He loves us; we are His dearly loved children; and He wants to lead us into, you know, pleasures forevermore.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Now, are you still worship leader at church?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes, I am. It\u2019s been interesting\u2014being faithful in all these little places, the Lord has opened up more doors.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Yes. What is it like to be standing up there and seeing the folks be connected with God and seeing that God is just working mightily in hearts? What does that do for you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes; oh, it strengthens my faith; that\u2019s for sure. Sometimes, it\u2019s overwhelming; I can\u2019t sing; because I\u2019m just overcome with emotion. I think, more than anything, it strengthens my faith. I think that\u2019s what\u2019s great about\u2014and why Scripture implores us to gather together with the saints\u2014because we need that to face a week; you know? When I get to do that, it\u2019s like a shot of adrenaline to my faith: \u201cLord, You can do <em>anything!!\u201d<\/em>\u2014you know?\u2014\u201cI trust You! Look what You\u2019ve done!\u201d I feel just kind of revved up for whatever\u2019s next. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It\u2019s so interesting. God knows, above all, what we need and at the right timing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes; He does. And you know, it\u2019s interesting\u2014I\u2019ve kind of gotten a little bit of a taste of what I <em>thought <\/em>I wanted\u2014where I\u2019ll travel here or do this. I actually did like a little tour with a friend, not too long ago. It was fun, and I\u2019ll do it again; but I was like: \u201cMan! If I had to do this <em>all<\/em> the time\u2026!\u201d What I wanted, while I was there, was to be back home with my kids, sitting on my back porch with all of our animals around us. That\u2019s where I get a lot of peace and life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s like the Lord knew. He knew better than I did that\u2014if I, you know, was traveling all the time\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> \u2014and, you know, leading worship all over the place\u2014that I would have just shriveled up. I didn\u2019t know that, but He knew.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Neat.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Thank you, Lauren, for joining me today on <em>FamilyLife This Week.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Yes, my pleasure. Thanks for having me!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It\u2019s been a joy!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lauren:<\/strong> Likewise. [Lauren singing <em>No Other One<\/em>]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> You know, as we go through each day\u2014and each day adds up to years and, basically, our life\u2014we need to remember that, ultimately, our call is growing in our relationship with Christ. The outflow of that is what He asks us to do. We need to have patience, and maybe that\u2019s part of the secret of contentment. And as with everything, we need to pray without ceasing\u2014pray, pray, pray. Something to think about as you\u2019re on your own journey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThinking about prayer without ceasing, what <em>is<\/em> the secret sauce to prayer? Have you ever wondered that? I tend to. Some will tell you it\u2019s about fasting; you know, giving up food. Others will say it\u2019s about praying God\u2019s words back to Him. Well, next week, we\u2019re going to take a look at praying for our children. There just might be a right way and a wrong way to do that; but you\u2019ll have to listen to find out. I hope you can join us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey, thanks for listening! I want to thank the president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, David Robbins, along with our station partners around the country. A big \u201cThank you!\u201d to the team I pray for daily: for our engineer, Keith Lynch. Thanks to our producers, Marques Holt and Bruce Goff. 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