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What do you do when the person is your husband? Join us for an insightful and compassionate discussion of this difficult topic.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2019-10-21.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, October 21<sup>st<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson, and I'm Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet\u2019s be honest: there are certain things that make us more or less attractive to one another, and if we\u2019re less attracted to our spouse, does that mean our marriage needs to change in some way? We\u2019re going to spend time talking about that today; stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, here\u2019s what I thought we\u2019d do today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh boy, Ann, when he says, \u201cWell\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 I know, there\u2019s always something coming. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 From time to time we\u2019ll get a note, a letter, a phone call from a listener who has a question for Dave and Ann, so I thought, \u201cOkay\u2014\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 And Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, they didn\u2019t mention me, but I might want to chime in here. This particular caller said, \u201cI have an issue that I haven\u2019t heard addressed yet on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, and I\u2019d like to know your perspective on this.\u201d It\u2019s related to both parties in the marriage maintaining their health and body types.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, before I read what this person called in and asked, just in general, a couple\u2019s getting married and they come to you guys and they say, \u201cLet\u2019s just talk\u2014you know, we\u2019re both athletic, we both want to keep our bodies in shape, but I\u2019m a little worried as I think ahead. What if my spouse doesn\u2019t want to stay in shape ten years from now?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 We had this exact conversation with a couple.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Mm-hmm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Do you remember?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 I don\u2019t remember.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 That was his question. \u201cI\u2019m really worried that my wife will gain weight when we get married, and I don\u2019t think I could deal with that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, I do remember. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, so what did you say when they were having that conversation?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 I got a little feisty about it and angry\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, it surprises me that my wife got feisty!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And angry?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 And angry!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m thinking, well, she\u2019ll probably have babies. Our body types change. There\u2019s a lot going on. Are you not able to accept her if that happens, and if you\u2019re not able to, what\u2019s the deeper issue in that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Did you say that to him?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 She pounced pretty good on that one. Remember? It was in our family room.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 I always remember where these conversations happened. It was along the lines\u2014tell me if you remember it this way\u2014\u201cYou\u2019re going to make a vow, at your wedding, which is for better or worse, and sometimes things aren\u2019t going to go the way you like or want\u2014\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Or expect.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u201c\u2014she could end up unable to walk for different reasons. Are you going to bail out? She can\u2019t work out or you can\u2019t work out.\u201d So we talked about that a little bit, and also the unconditional love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, we talked about the vows and the covenant, what that means.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 He could sit there and say, \u201cOkay, I understand intellectually what you\u2019re talking about. I get it. I know what my responsibility should be, and I know what I\u2019m vowing. I\u2019m just telling you, it\u2019s going to be hard if ten years from now she\u2019s 40 pounds heavier than she is today. I know what I\u2019m supposed to do, but it\u2019s going to feel awkward.\u201d Is that legit?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I could have said, \u201cIf my husband loses his hair, I don\u2019t know if could stay in that marriage.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think she actually did say that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, I didn\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 But, I mean, that is a little different, because I have no control over my hair.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And that is important.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me read this message that we got from a listener, who said, \u201cWhen I married my wife, she was a dancer. She was attractive, and she was toned. Now, 25 years later, she\u2019s 100 pounds heavier, and she says I should love her regardless of her weight. I mean, even at 65 years old, I\u2019m still a visual person, and\u2014just putting it bluntly\u2014I\u2019m not attracted to fat. I feel like I have no choice but to take part in pornography, because my wife refuses to lose weight, and therefore my needs are not being met.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI know I\u2019m not the only one who feels like this or who deals with this. In fact, I have a friend whose wife is almost 400 pounds. They got the kids grown up and out of the house, and he left. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI\u2019d like this to be addressed, because my spouse plays a part in this as well. It would be helpful if there was a show where you guys talked about this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, we can talk about \u201cfor better, for worse, in sickness, in health,\u201d and I think there is a differentiator between things we have zero control over and things where we do have some control. So you bring up, well, what if she\u2019s in a wheelchair? What if he loses his hair? What if there are things that he can\u2019t or she can\u2019t control? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s one issue, but what if there\u2019s something where we\u2019re getting sloppy and we\u2019re putting on weight and it doesn\u2019t seem to matter, and now the attractive, toned dancer that you used to be is not the woman I\u2019m married to, and I am visually not attracted to you any longer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me ask you this. We hear this, and we think, \u201cOkay, we just need to tell this guy to grow up, to man up, and to do his job.\u201d Is there anything legitimate, Dave, in his objection to a wife who\u2019s way overweight?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 My first thought\u2014and it is what I thought when you raised that question, he raised that question\u2014well, first of all, I had to get over my anger. I want to come after the guy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes. I mean, just about the idea that because\u2014now, I understand, you know, his disappointment and maybe not being as attracted or not attracted to his wife. I understand that, and let\u2019s talk about that second.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFirst, I would say that is no reason to say, \u201cI\u2019m going to look at pornography.\u201d That is a victim mentality, that\u2019s an excuse, that\u2019s a\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, the words were, \u201cI feel that I have no choice but to take part in pornography.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes. Here\u2019s where we have to deconstruct this and say, what he\u2019s saying is, \u201cMy wife has put on weight, I\u2019m not attracted to her; therefore, my only option is to sin.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Jesus said to look on a woman to lust is to commit adultery in your heart. He\u2019s saying, \u201cI have no choice but to commit adultery in my heart. That\u2019s my only option,\u201d and he\u2019s basically calling God a liar, because God says, \u201cNo, you have choices. You have the choice to be holy, to be pure, to be blameless. You have a choice to set your mind on things that are above and not on things that are on earth.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLike you, I think we have to take that off the table. We\u2019ll talk about husbands and wives and putting on weight and challenges and frustrations; that\u2019s a secondary issue. But the idea that this somehow makes pornography acceptable or an affair acceptable, that there\u2019s some infidelity excused because one partner has put on weight and you\u2019re no longer physically attracted\u2014there\u2019s no biblical basis for that at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s skirting your personal responsibility. I mean, I used to do this in our marriage with Ann in terms of conflict. I\u2019d say, \u201cBecause of you I\u2019m all mad right now,\u201d and actually I\u2019m choosing to be mad on my own. Is our conflict contributing? Yes, but I made a choice to be angry. This guy is making a choice to sin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay, now let\u2019s go back to the issue of weight and body image, and let me just say, I have in my closet at home the suit that I wore on the day we got married. After we took off the tux I put on a suit, and I still have that in my closet.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay, Bob. Here\u2019s the question: can you fit into it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 My teenage sons have been able to fit into it! [Laughter] All of them have worn it at some point or another. I\u2019m not sure I could put my leg in where the waist is supposed to go. [Laughter] It\u2019s not quite that bad, but no, clearly my body\u2019s different today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Does Mary Ann complain about that? Does she have a right to complain about that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let\u2019s call her up!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Should we do that? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Wouldn\u2019t that be fun?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Mary Ann doesn\u2019t complain about it, but I know for her that the skinny boy she married versus the heftier she\u2019s married to today, it\u2019s a different deal for her, and it\u2019s something that she would look at and say, \u201cYes, I wish you were skinner.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, in that situation, is she now justified to say, \u201cI\u2019m not physically attracted to you, therefore I\u2019m free from marital obligations,\u201d or, \u201cI\u2019m justified to have alienation of affection\u201d? She\u2019s say, \u201cNo. I have to deal with my own thoughts and my own issues related to this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, by the same token, I have a responsibility to look and say, \u201cIs there anything I can do here?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes. I mean, if Mary Ann came to you tomorrow and said, \u201cBob, this really does lessen my desire not only to be attracted to you but to even be married to you, and it\u2019s causing me to even be tempted. Could you lose 20 pounds, 30 pounds, 100 pounds?\u201d Would you be like\u2014how would you respond to that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Even the way you verbalize that makes me cringe a little bit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m just asking the question that this guy asked.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 I know, and I think a guy might be able to receive that a little bit better than a woman.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think that\u2019s a valid point. I also think we have to take into account that, as you look at the science on this, it\u2019s not as easy as somebody being able to say, \u201cOh, yes, I can drop 50, I can drop 100.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes. This guy says, \u201cMy wife refuses to lose weight.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Mm-hmm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think as women we already feel the pressure from society of looking a certain way, not only in our youth but as we age. I think, poor Dave, I\u2019m getting older, and I\u2019m changing, and it\u2019s not always for the positive. So we feel that pressure anyway as women, and I sit there and I say to this guy, come alongside her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Is it a physical issue? Is there something wrong medically that\u2019s not allowing her to lose weight? I can tell you, she probably isn\u2019t thrilled that she\u2019s gained 100 pounds. So, what\u2019s the deeper issue of her life? I know that I can struggle with wanting to overeat, and it\u2019s usually because I\u2019m filling my life with something, but to have a partner in it, for her to be vulnerable and to say, \u201cI hate this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019ll tell you where I would go\u2014and if I had five minutes with this man I would encourage him, hopefully, to go here\u2014if this was my wife (tell me if I wouldn\u2019t do this), I would be looking in the mirror at myself, saying, \u201cHow have I contributed to her feeling this need to eat,\u201d or whatever the struggle is?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Or just feeling less than.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 I really feel like\u2014I pulled it up when you said that, Bob, I pulled up Ephesians five, and I feel like a biblical, godly perspective on being a husband\u2014here it is; I\u2019ll read it to you. \u201cHusbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her.\u201d Many of us have heard that, and we\u2019re like, \u201cOkay, I have to lay down my life for my wife.\u201d But we often stop there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPaul goes on to say, \u201c\u2026to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to Himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.\u201d It\u2019s this beautiful picture, obviously, of Jesus and the church and the Bride and how He cleanses and sanctifies us to this unbelievable image of beauty, back to Himself; but He\u2019s giving husbands a picture of loving your wives in such a way that you bring out radiant beauty.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs Ann and I have been married all these years, I keep thinking, it isn\u2019t just physical beauty, but is she beaming?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Is she a better woman because of the way I love her and treat her like Christ does the church? If I\u2019m this guy, I\u2019d be\u2014you know, it\u2019s really easy to say, \u201cIt\u2019s her fault, she has a problem; I can\u2019t deal with this anymore.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnother way is to say, \u201cOkay, I\u2019m going to look in the mirror and say, \u2018What am I doing? How can I love her in such a way that I can help bring her back to the beauty that she wants to have as well?\u2019\u201d I mean, I would want to be her partner. I\u2019d feel very strongly responsible, rather than opposite. He\u2019s like, \u201cI\u2019m\u00a0 not responsible; it\u2019s her fault.\u201d I\u2019d be like, \u201cNo, this is part of me. What can I do? How can I love her in such a way that she becomes radiant?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Mm-hmm. I think this husband, we could ask him, \u201cHave you been doing that? Are you washing your wife with the Word? Do you read the Scriptures with her? Are you praying with her regularly? Are you spiritually engaged with her? Does she know\u2014are you leading her spiritually?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, it goes on to talk about how a husband nourishes and cherishes his wife. Does she feel cherished by you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes. Is he affectionate?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Does she feel nourished by you? I think you have to look and say, \u201cWhat\u2019s my role in trying to strengthen and build up our marriage?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, the guy who says, \u201cOkay, I\u2019ll try this for awhile and see if she loses some weight,\u201d he\u2019s missed the whole point, which is, you shouldn\u2019t be focused on the outer man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, elsewhere in the Scriptures Paul says, look, the outer man is wasting away, and the outer man is the tent that will one day be folded up. It\u2019s the inner man that\u2019s being renewed. What about your wife\u2019s inner person? Do you value that? Do you cherish that? Do you love her inner person? Are you attracted to her inner person? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr have you become so body-oriented, so visually oriented, that you can\u2019t even see the person God made, who she is inside, and nurture and nourish and cherish who that person is?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Andy Stanley once said that your spouse should be able to know how much God loves them by the way you treat them. I\u2019ve always been struck by that, thinking, \u201cDoes Dave know how much God loves him by the way I treat him? Would Jesus treat him the same way?\u201d I don\u2019t think Jesus would treat this woman in that same way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes. So, let me just take it one step further, because this issue emerges. There are some husbands who encourage their wives or pressure their wives for body enhancement, and there are some wives who go along with that because they want to be attractive to their husband. \u201cIf that\u2019s what he wants, I\u2019m willing to go along with that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFirst of all, if a husband has that desire, is that okay for him to have that desire and to want to do cosmetic surgery? Secondly, if a husband and wife are both okay with it, do we say, \u201cWell, that\u2019s fine,\u201d or should we pull back and go, \u201cWe need to ask a few deeper questions first\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Wow, Bob\u2019s asking the tough stuff today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 I know. I think it would never end. I\u2019d like to get a face-lift; is that okay? [Laughter] We could just keep going!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, I was thinking about getting some plugs.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Were you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, I\u2019m going to have a beetle hair-cut by the end of the month.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNo, I mean, obviously, I think we tend to focus on the things that aren\u2019t as important.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Because our culture does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Does the body matter? Of course it does, and we\u2019re not going to pretend that it doesn\u2019t. But to think that, \u201cIf my wife or my husband enhances their body in a certain way that my love for them is going to be greater,\u201d is superficial. It\u2019s so much deeper, it\u2019s soulish in nature. I think we have to be reminded to go back to what really, really matters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the good things about getting older, as we three know, is it\u2019s not about the body. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Gravity always wins! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 If it was, where would we be? You cannot control some things, but yet it\u2019s about the soul, and if you continue to pursue that, pursue that. We have to work intimately on our relationship. I\u2019m not saying don\u2019t take care of your body; of course take care of your body! We try to work out every single day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, and Shaunti Feldhahn talks about that in her book <em>For Women Only<\/em>. This really does matter to our husbands.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 So, given that, should a wife\u2014if you\u2019re talking to a younger wife, do you say to her, \u201cOne of the things you ought to try to do is try to keep your appearance as attractive as you possibly can\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 I have shared that, because I\u2019ve shared the statistics that Shaunti brings up. It\u2019s not that we become this size\u2026whatever\u2026size two of four; it\u2019s that we take care of ourselves. So that part I do say. I think it\u2019s important that we take care of ourselves. We house the temple of the Holy Spirit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, it\u2019s interesting. In Shaunti\u2019s book, her point is\u2014she says this, \u201cWhy What\u2019s on the Outside Matters to Him on the Inside,\u201d and her subtitle there on the chapter is, \u201cYou don\u2019t need to be a size three, but your man does need to see you making the effort to take care of yourself, and he will willingly help you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s interesting; in her research, I think she was probably shocked, we were as well, like, wow, that does matter. It isn\u2019t the most important thing, but it is up there in the top ten, according to Shaunti, just from research.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I have heard women say (you can verify this for me) that they\u2019re probably the most self-critical\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2014in terms of body image.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s what I\u2019m saying. This woman feels terrible about herself, probably. She\u2019s not happy about it. We are very self-critical.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 So if a husband comes along and says, \u201cYou look beautiful,\u201d she wonders if he\u2019s lying to her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, I always say that to Dave. \u201cYou\u2019re lying.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 She does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Even if he goes, \u201cNo, I really think you look wonderful,\u201d in the back of your mind it\u2019s kind of like, \u201cThat doesn\u2019t compute, because when I look at myself in the mirror, I don\u2019t see the beauty you see, I see the flaws.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, as a general principle, a husband should say, \u201cI will never criticize my wife\u2019s appearance. I am doing nobody any good to say a critical thing about her appearance.\u201d Now, if she has a big stain on her shirt, you can say, \u201cYou might want to notice that,\u201d right, if there\u2019s something obvious. But for him to say, \u201cHave you put on a little weight?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Ah!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You may think that\u2019s an innocent comment\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 And would motivate her\u2026but it does the opposite.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Bob, you said never. Do you mean it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I mean never.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 I agree. Never.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I would say, yes, absolutely; you think it, you bite your tongue. You don\u2019t say that. That\u2019s not helpful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 One of my friends, she\u2019d been married 25 years, and\u2014this was the most remarkable story to me\u2014she said, \u201cAnn, my husband always made me feel so beautiful. He constantly told me how beautiful I was, and I believed him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe said, \u201cThis one day we went to a water park,\u201d where there are just hundreds and hundreds of people in their bathing suits and bikinis, and she said, \u201cI remember looking at myself in the mirror at this bathroom at the water park and then going outside and seeing all these women, and I thought, \u2018I\u2019m nothing compared to these women! My body is terrible! My husband\u2019s been lying to me all these years!\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe said, \u201cBut I also thought, \u2018If my husband thinks I\u2019m beautiful, I can\u2019t think of anything better.\u2019\u201d She said, \u201cIt made me love him and made we want to respect him even more, because he thought I was stunning, when the world is continually critiquing me.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was like, wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s Ephesians 5.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 We\u2019ll close with this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Radiant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 There\u2019s a story\u2014you\u2019ve probably heard this told at one point or another at a <em>Weekend to Remember <\/em>marriage getaway\u2014where a wife had to have facial surgery, and the facial surgery meant some nerves had to be cut. When the facial surgery was done, her face was paralyzed in some spaces, there was an eye that was drooping. She looked at herself in the mirror and what she was, \u201cI look\u00a0 hideous.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe story goes on that her husband came in for the first time after the surgery and saw her, and she was petrified at how he was going to react. He saw her and he smiled and he said, \u201cYou have a crooked little smile.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat comment from that husband, to say, \u201cI still love you. Your face is now not what it was and will never be what it was\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 But it\u2019s almost endearing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes. So I would say to this husband and to any husband, find a way to nourish and cherish your wife, and don\u2019t find her weight as an excuse for you to indulge yourself in some kind of sin. Right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Alright. So, if you have a tougher question than that one\u2014 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 That was pretty tough! That was not easy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2014you can go online at FamilyLifeToday.com, and we want to tackle these from time to time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Bob wants to tackle them. [Laughter] Send them to Bob Lepine.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com, and there\u2019s a link there where you can send in your question and from time to time we\u2019ll answer some of those here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, I wanted to mention that we are in the process of wrapping up some final work on a small group video series that we\u2019ve produced with you guys on the book <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 This should be available this winter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 It\u2019s a five-part marriage series that FamilyLife is producing, a small group video series on marriage based on your book, <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em>. You can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and there\u2019s a link there available that has more information about this upcoming series. Let us know if you\u2019re interested, and we\u2019ll keep in touch with you and let you know when it comes out. This may be something you want to do with your small group in the spring, or do a class at church around marriage, using the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> material.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, go to FamilyLifeToday.com to find out more about the <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> video series from FamilyLife, or call us if you have any questions or want information over the phone. 1-800-FLTODAY is our number. 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I don\u2019t want to do anything to rush the season\u2014I\u2019m talking about the holiday season, the Christmas season\u2014but the reality is it\u2019s all around us everywhere. I mean, I heard a Christmas song in a story the other day, and I thought, \u201cReally? Really? Here is mid-October.\u201d But we know the holiday season kind of comes up on us, and you start getting overwhelmed by it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFamilyLife has put together a free e-book that is designed as a holiday survival guide, designed to help you make the most of the holiday season and keep the focus where it ought to be. Again, this is completely free. You can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and download the holiday survival guide. Even if you\u2019re not ready to open up the file yet, just have it on hand so that when you start to feel ready for engaging on holiday issues, this is available to help walk you through it. FamilyLife\u2019s <em>Holiday Survival Guide<\/em> is available online at FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow we\u2019re going to hear a conversation that our friend Kim Anthony had recently with Anthony Thompson, who is a pastor in Charleston, South Carolina. His wife was at the Bible study at Emmanuel AME Church when the shooting took place four years ago, and she was killed in that shooting. Pastor Thompson has written a book on the subject of forgiveness, and we\u2019ll hear his story tomorrow. Hope you can be with us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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