{"id":305327,"date":"2019-09-05T06:00:05","date_gmt":"2019-09-05T10:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/a-family-on-a-mission\/"},"modified":"2019-09-05T06:00:05","modified_gmt":"2019-09-05T10:00:05","slug":"a-family-on-a-mission","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-family-on-a-mission\/","title":{"rendered":"A Family on a Mission"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>guest: Shelly Wildman | Series: First Ask Why | What does it mean to live on mission? Shelly Wildman believes that if parents want kids who are on fire for the Lord, they must have a committed relationship with Christ themselves. Parents must show their kids that they are there to walk through their faith struggles and be available to talk through those harder, deeper issues in our culture. Also joining in the discussion is Dave and Ann Wilson&#8217;s son, Cody.<\/p>\n<p>Show Notes and Resources<\/p>\n<p> \tKevin DeYoung on family devotion fails. (1 min. video) https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcasts\/familylife-today\/art-of-parenting-video-clip-kevin-deyoung-on-family-devotions\/<br \/>\n \tDetermining Your Core Values, a 3 part process.\u00a0 Here&#8217;s a list to get you started.\u00a0 (4 min. read) https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/articles\/topics\/parenting\/foundations\/godly-legacy\/determining-your-core-values\/<br \/>\n \tHas the FamilyLife Today\u00ae podcast and resources helped you?\u00a0 Learn more about becoming a Legacy Partner, a monthly supporter of FamilyLife.\u00a0https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/legacy<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What does it mean to live on mission? 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Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I\u2019m Bob Lepine. You\u2019re on a spiritual journey just like your kids are; but do your kids see you on that journey?\u2014or do they think that somehow you\u2019ve arrived? We\u2019re going to talk about what intentional discipleship of our kids looks like today. Stay with us.\n\nAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. If you were to go to your adult children\u2014you\u2019ve got three sons, married, all in their 20s\/early 30s?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> 20s\/30s\u2014yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay; so if I were to go to your kids today\u2014your sons\u2014and say\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, please don\u2019t! I know where you\u2019re going. You\u2019re going to say, \u201cWhat\u2019s the Wilson mission?\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No; I\u2019m not going to ask them to define the mission\u2014although that would be interesting. Could they define it; do you think?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> No. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; they could. Of course, they\u2019d say it perfectly. Do you want me to call them right now?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; let\u2019s try that. [Laughter] I gave the phone number for your son, Cody, to our engineer Keith. I think we\u2019ve got him on the line\u2014Cody, are you there?\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Yes; I\u2019m here.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay; so we\u2019ve got\u2014this is your son, Cody Wilson; right?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; it is.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you want to say, \u201cHi,\u201d to him?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Hi, Cody.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> How are you doing?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, Cody, we\u2019ve been talking with your mom and dad, here, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> about intentional parenting. First of all, my question for you was: \u201cWere they intentional as parents? Did you feel like they were living on mission and had a focus for what they were doing as they raised you guys?\u201d\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Yes; I think they\u2019re definitely intentional. I think, sometimes, with the busyness of life, that can look a little differently\u2014especially, for our family. If you know my parents, they are not the best at planning things. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes?\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> It wasn\u2019t like, \u201cHey, this week, we\u2019re doing this at this time.\u201d They\u2019re just never going to function like that, regardless of parenting\u2014just in life in general. So, I think the intentionality\u2014I do think they had a vision for my life, for my brothers\u2019 lives, for us as a family. I think a lot of that vision was carried through in their personal lives and with our family; and because of that, I think a lot of what, I would say, I learned would be the idea of\u2014like so much was caught in addition to being taught.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> So, I think because their lifestyle was so authentic and genuine\u2014in how they pursued the Lord and, also, the joy and the authenticity they lived with at home\u2014it was an intentionality that was pretty organic, if that makes sense.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It does make sense. Your dad was telling me that there was some kind of a Wilson family mission statement or motto or something. Do you know what I\u2019m talking about? Do you remember anything like that?\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> I have no idea. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Thanks, Cody, you\u2019re making me look <em>really<\/em> good. It\u2019s okay; we\u2019ve got to go now.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No; no; no.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s enough. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No; what was it you said was the Wilson family mission?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Ann and I talked about raising L3 warriors\u2014and warrior was a key word\u2014that would impact the world. L3\u2014Cody, you remember the Love, Lock, Live?\u2014so love God and others;\u2014\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Yes; for sure.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014lock arms in community; and live open-handedly. That was, sort of, ours.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Like at family dinner, you weren\u2019t saying, \u201cLet\u2019s all chant the Wilson\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I would have liked to have done that, but that wouldn\u2019t have flown.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She would have loved it.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Cody, do you remember thinking, \u201cI\u2019m being raised as a warrior\u201d?\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, I think definitely. I think I heard words like that. I would say, being a kid, I thought I would probably think it was pretty weird if my parents were like, \u201cWe\u2019re raising you to be an L3.\u201d I would be like, \u201cThat\u2019s not cool to be.\u201d You know what I mean? [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I do.\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> I feel like I\u2014I feel like, especially, words are so important. I think most of my life I don\u2019t think I ever remember my parents speaking negative words over me, in the sense of my identity or who I was. I think that every single word that I heard was complimentary and really powerful in the sense of \u201cYou\u2019re a leader,\u201d or even things being \u201csmart\u201d or \u201cathletic.\u201d I think those were the things. Again, those are just overarching themes of day-to-day life, where there was intentionality. Then there is just\u2014like I think they really believed that about me, so it was an overflow of what they really thought. It was organic in that sense as well.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, let me have you think back to, maybe, high school graduation. If I could take you back to when you were 18 years old and say, \u201cCody, I want you to answer this sentence for me: \u2018My parents will think I\u2019ve really been a success\/I have accomplished what I\u2019m supposed to accomplish <em>if<\/em> I\u2026.\u2019 and then you complete the sentence.\u201d What did you think your parents cared most about for you when you were 18 years old?\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> I think, ultimately, they just wanted me to be following Jesus.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, at the end of the day\u2014because you had athletic gifts; you were smart; you had speaking gifts\/leadership gifts\u2014but at the end of the day, you would say what mattered most to them was: \u201cIs Cody following Jesus?\u201d\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, I think I would say that at the time. Now, looking back, I don\u2019t know if they would have viewed me as a success or a failure based on something I did, honestly. They probably just wanted me to be happy in the sense of living a life of purpose and of joy and doing what the Lord made me to be.\n\nI mean, I think even God, as a Father\u2014He finds delight when we delight in Him. I think any father finds joy when their children are in joy. I think beyond success, they probably would have ultimately wanted me to live a life of joy and of purpose; and ultimately, within that, being the person God made me to be and having a thriving relationship with Him.\n\nI think, probably, with my dad\u2019s history of being a chaplain for the Lions and with my own history of playing sports\u2014like I don\u2019t think it\u2019s like, in any sense like, \u201cMan, you played college football,\u201d or \u201cYou get a scholarship,\u201d\u2014that wouldn\u2019t mean like you\u2019re a success because even those things can be fleeting. I think, for me, it was definitely way more eternal in the sense of legacy, calling, and my relationship with Jesus.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Whether you remembered L3 warrior or not, you got the big picture. Thanks for taking time with us, Cody. Do you want to say goodbye to your son?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; thanks, Cody; that was awesome.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Bye, Cody. I thought you were going to say\u2014\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Appreciate it.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014your dad wanted you to play in the NFL. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> That\u2019s true.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And you did; that was sort of fun. Actually, you want to hear something from my perspective?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> When Cody was in the Detroit Lions\u2019 locker room, and he locker-ed right beside Calvin Johnson, so, it was pretty cool to walk in there and see a possible Hall of Famer, Calvin 6\u20196\u201d and then Cody, my son, 5\u2014how tall are you now, Cody?\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> 5\u201910\u201d\/5\u20199.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; he\u2019s 5\u20198.\u201d [Laughter] So, anyway\u2014\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> 5\u20199.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014okay; you\u2019re 5\u20199.\u201d Here is my point\u2014I always sort of thought, \u201cIf this could ever happen, it would be the ultimate dream, as the Lions\u2019 chaplain and his dad.\u201d Then, when he ended up, co-pastoring with us at our church, I realized that NFL dream was too small. I mean, I\u2019m getting teary thinking about what we get to do together now, as father\/son, leading a congregation to go on mission. It\u2019s so much greater. You know, the NFL\u2014that was a neat, little thing for a while\u2014but man, this is\u2014this is the ultimate\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014to raise sons and daughters, who are warriors for the kingdom.\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Could I add something else I thought would be a good story?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sure.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Uh-oh!\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Well, I was just thinking\u2014because I think this is really important, and this is what I\u2019m talking about\u2014like organic; like it\u2019s funny. When I think about intentional things, I remember way less the conversations that were had\u2014obviously, there were important ones\u2014but like things that are burned into my memory. I remember waking up, being in high school, and walking through the kitchen.\n\nOur deck was in the back. For some reason, my mom would always\u2014you always had dumb bells out there. [Laughter] You\u2019d be working out on the deck; but I remember walking by and seeing her on her knees and her hands lifted, and her like worshipping Jesus in the midst of\u2014I don\u2019t know if she was working out or whatever she was doing\u2014but like those are the visceral memories that were, I think, honestly, way more intentional and impactful a vision of what it looks like to follow Jesus, even in my own life.\n\nI\u2019ve heard the quote: \u201cYou teach what you know but reproduce who you are.\u201d Obviously, you imitate what you see; so it\u2019s\u2014sometimes, it\u2019s like: \u201cYou want to be intentional; your lifestyle is going to be the thing that is copied\u2014not what you say\u2014so be intentional with the way you are living, because that\u2019s going to create something that\u2019s going to be reproduced.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s great. Thanks for sharing the story; and thanks for sharing some time with us, Cody.\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Yes; appreciate it. Thanks.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Talk to you again.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> See you.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> See you.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we kind of sprung that on both you and your son; but hearing him reflect on that, you can kind of look back and say, \u201cIn spite of whatever we didn\u2019t do, should have done, did poorly, God still moves in the midst of our imperfections to accomplish things.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting because I remember, when they were little\/when he was little, so many nights, lying in bed, thinking: \u201cI\u2019m a bad mom. I\u2019ve blown it. I yelled at them.\u201d I think that the shame piece can come over us, as moms, that we feel disqualified.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We have a guest who is joining us today, who we haven\u2019t introduced yet; because we got sidetracked with your son. [Laughter] Shelly Wildman is here. Shelly, welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Thanks so much.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Shelly has written a book about intentional parenting. The book is called <em>First Ask Why: Raising Kids to Love God Through Intentional Discipleship<\/em>.\n\nShelly, part of what we just heard from Cody is that, even if you are not intentional about what you\u2019re <em>doing<\/em>, if you\u2019re intentional about who you are <em>being<\/em>, that may be the more important thing.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Oh, <em>absolutely<\/em>. Cody said some <em>wonderful<\/em> things that I was like, \u201cOh, yes; yes; that\u2019s it!\u201d He used the word, \u201cauthenticity\u201d\u2014that you guys were so authentic, and that\u2019s what he picked up. I have parents ask me, all the time, just: \u201cWhat can I do? What can I do? I feel like I\u2019m doing it wrong. I\u2019m messing up.\u201d I just keep saying: \u201cJust be authentic. Be yourself. What you have in your heart\u2014that is going to flow through to your kids,\u201d\u2014which is also a caution to us, as parents. We have to be where we need to be with the Lord in order to pour into our kids.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and as we worked on the video series, the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and Dennis and Barbara Rainey wrote a book by that title, one of the things that we wanted to make sure we communicated was that this model of what you are is what\u2019s most significant. In fact, if you are teaching your kids the right stuff, and you\u2019re not living it,\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014that may be more spiritually detrimental. If your kids are seeing hypocrisy,\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014it\u2019s almost like it would be better for them to see authentic lack of spiritual passion than for them to see an inauthentic, verbalized, \u201cYes, we\u2019re all about Jesus,\u201d\u2014and then, \u201cNo, we\u2019re really not.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014the lifestyle isn\u2019t matching.\n\n<strong>Shelly: <\/strong>Right; right.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> You know, that\u2019s not to say we don\u2019t all mess up.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sure.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> We absolutely do.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> But, when we, then, can come to our kids in humility and say: \u201cYou know what? I really did mess up, and this isn\u2019t how God wants me to act,\u201d\u2014that idea of, again, being authentic in our humility is so important.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You know, what\u2019s really interesting that\u2014I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s recent research\u2014but youth pastors are always trying evaluate, \u201cHow is our youth ministry doing?\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You know what they recently, sort of, discovered? We get these kids in our youth group\u2014middle school\/high school\u2014they get really involved. Usually, there is a weekly meeting; there are retreats. There seems to be fire in their bellies with these kids on their walk with Jesus\u2014really effective. Then they go to college, and they grow up, and they walk away from the faith.\n\nThey [youth pastors] are like: \u201cWhat are we missing? What isn\u2019t sticking? What isn\u2019t working?\u201d You know what they found out? The kids that stay are the ones that come home from the retreat and go to a family that has the same values\/is living it out, authentically, in front of them.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The ones that go home to families that aren\u2019t living it\u2014often, it doesn\u2019t stick. It\u2019s like: \u201cMan, you want to impact a high school kid? Don\u2019t have a great youth ministry; have a great family ministry.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u201cHelp those families really walk with God.\u201d As you talk about this in your book\u2014\u201cit\u2019s an overflow.\u201d\n\nWhen I was a young dad, especially, we are <em>exhausted<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We have <em>no time<\/em>\u2014we\u2019re trying to work, trying to raise kids, trying to get them to bed, trying to get them to all the sports activities. How does a mom and dad keep their fire in their own spiritual walk <em>real<\/em> so that it can be an overflow that is caught by their kids?\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes; you know, I think, you have to be committed to having that relationship with Christ in your own life\u2014and encouraging each other\/nurturing that in each other.\n\nAlso, something just occurred to me, too, is wrestling in front of our kids. Sometimes, I think parents feel like: \u201cIf I am wrestling with some element of my faith, I don\u2019t want my kids to see that. They might see that as a chink in the armor.\u201d But you know? I think kids really want to see that you are wrestling with your faith\u2014that your faith matters enough to you to talk these things through.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, here\u2019s why that\u2019s important; because, when they face doubts,\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and they will\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> \u2014and they will.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014if they think: \u201cI don\u2019t know what\u2019s wrong with me. Mom and Dad never faced doubts.\u201d\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Then they think, \u201cI\u2019m just different than Mom and Dad.\u201d Then they will start to drift\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because they feel like: \u201cI can\u2019t get to where Mom and Dad are. I can\u2019t be that person.\u201d\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> They\u2019ll struggle in private\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Absolutely; absolutely.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014because they are afraid to admit.\n\nRemember when CJ, our oldest, came to you [Ann] with something he didn\u2019t think was right about believing in God because\u2014remember? He wasn\u2019t even 12 years old. You know, like he is so intelligent. He was like, \u201cWhy would God command no murder\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, it was\u2014he was four, actually.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Four?!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He was four years old, and we were reading the story of David and Goliath.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I was reading it, and it was to the part where David cut off Goliath\u2019s head. CJ stopped and he said: \u201cI don\u2019t understand. I thought the Bible said we weren\u2019t to murder. Yet, David murders Goliath; and that\u2019s okay. I don\u2019t understand. Where is that?\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Here\u2019s the funny thing about it.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wait; wait. What\u2019s Mom\u2019s answer to that question?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I said, \u201cHey, Dave, how would you answer that?\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Pastor Dave?\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Exactly; good answer. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Honestly, she did then; but as CJ became 10\/12\u2014and he\u2019s got a really sharp mind\u2014he would doubt.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I remember Ann coming to me one time\u2014remember? She was freaking out, like, \u201cHe\u2019s not believing.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cThis is <em>awesome<\/em>\u201d; because I struggle with those things. It\u2019s like we can talk; because he\u2019s got a dad, who has asked those hard questions: \u201cLet\u2019s ask them together.\u201d What was almost a freak-out moment was also\u2014it\u2019s just what you said\u2014\u201cLet\u2019s struggle together.\u201d\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> That shows our kids that it matters enough to us to have those same struggles with them. That was, often, our dinnertime conversation. I mention in the book, we kind of got an \u201cF\u201d in family devotions; we weren\u2019t that great at that. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> But that\u2019s so encouraging to hear; because I think a lot of families have a picture, like, \u201cWe should be sitting down talking.\u201d \u201cWhat went wrong? Why didn\u2019t it work?\u201d I always thought, with girls, it would work.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Oh, no. Oh, it was\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Because with boys, it didn\u2019t work.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> No, it was terrible; it was terrible. Then, we felt this awful guilt\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> \u2014terrible, terrible guilt; because I\u2019m sure everybody else in my wonderful church was doing it just right, and we could <em>not<\/em> get it right. But you know what we did was\u2014we talked about those questions, and we struggled together.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I will tell you what. Just for the encouragement of our listeners, if you go to FamilyLifeToday.com, there is a video clip there. Kevin DeYoung, who is a pastor, shares about their family devotions; and it\u2019s a mess for them, too.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> I\u2019m so glad. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, if you want some real encouragement around your house, you can go and watch the video of just Kevin talking about\u2014this is a part from the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> video series\u2014but it\u2019s just that clip of him talking about family devotions.\n\nI think we have to recognize that the Deuteronomy 6 model that we often hear about\u2014you have your family devotions in the car, and as you are on a walk, and as you are at the grocery store. That\u2019s not to say that you don\u2019t have formal times of teaching\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014times you get the family together and open the Bible\u2014or that you can\u2019t, at dinnertime, just say, \u201cI\u2019m going to read three verses\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes; for sure.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand then we\u2019ll ask if anybody has anything to pray about.\u201d I mean, you can keep it really simple; but just know that there is not a requirement in heaven. They don\u2019t look at you, when you get to heaven and go: \u201cOkay; look, we saw the family devotions. You did get an \u2018F\u2019 in family devotions.\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> \u201cYou failed.\u201d\n\nYou know, what I also\u2014what I mention in the book is\u2014I looked at the life of Jesus. He had disciples; we are discipling our kids.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s interesting because I did think that, as a mom: \u201cMy number-one job is to be a discipler of my kids first.\u201d I had this thought, like, \u201cAs a discipler, I should always have something that God put in me,\u201d\u2014it made me desperate for Jesus. I realized, \u201cIf I would go five days and I never mentioned Jesus, like, \u2018Whoa! I haven\u2019t invested my own personal time with Him to hear God of what He\u2019s saying to me in His Word.\u2019\u201d So, it made me cling to Him and say, \u201cGod, what are You saying to me today that I can pass on?\u201d\n\nBut I think that\u2019s good for us to remember\u2014like, \u201cIs there something going on that is fresh each day?\u201d\u2014not something I\u2019m pulling out, 20 years ago, that God did. Our kids are looking for that; and even dialoguing about that of, maybe: \u201cI struggled today with this\u2026\u201d or \u201c\u2026this thought\u2026\u201d \u201cI read this Scripture...\u201d \u201cI had this conversation\u2026\u201d\u2014that\u2019s just part of our dialogue.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes; it doesn\u2019t have to be forced.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> You know, our kids sniff out that hypocrisy in us if we are just like, \u201cOoh, I have to talk about Jesus today.\u201d It doesn\u2019t have to be forced, but it can be authentic.\n\nIn the chapter on prayer, I talk about, you know: \u201cHow do you develop a sense of prayer in your kids?\u201d It\u2019s really hard, I think; but one of my daughters said to me, \u201cOh, Mom, talk about praying,\u201d in the car. That was one of those examples of\u2014you\u2019re having these deep conversations in the car, and you don\u2019t really know either what to say or how to respond. I would often just say, \u201cOkay.\u201d We\u2019d pull in the garage; and I\u2019d just say, \u201cCan I just pray for you right now?\u201d I\u2019d put my hand on their arm, and we would just have a quick moment of prayer; but I felt like, \u201cOkay, that\u2019s the right response at that time.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s amazing that she remembers that.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> I know it.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And you didn\u2019t even think of it, \u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> No.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014but it impacted her.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I would add this\u2014and it\u2019s in your book\u2014is, as a parent, you\u2019ve got to be there.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> You do.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, if we\u2019re called to be the disciplers of our kids, you can\u2019t do it when you\u2019re not there. It\u2019s interesting\u2014just Sunday, Ann and I, together, spoke on parenting at our church. I shared something that most people didn\u2019t know.\n\nI said, \u201cTwenty-nine years ago, we started this church, and many of you weren\u2019t here; but I stood on this stage in the first year after my wife had said to me,\u201d\u2014first chapter of <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> book\u2014\u201c\u2018I\u2019ve lost my feelings for you.\u2019\u201d I realized a lot of that was\u2014\u201cI\u2019m not home, and I\u2019m not there.\u201d So, I said to her, \u201cYou need me here to help put the kids to bed. When do you need me? I can\u2019t be here every night. I can\u2019t be here every morning. What would you pick? Morning or evening?\u201d She said, \u201cEvening.\u201d\n\nSteve Andrews and I said to the congregation\u2014because his marriage was in trouble as well\u2014and it\u2019s sort of a historic moment that nobody in church ever has heard before. We said to the church: \u201cWe\u2019re not going to be available to any of you in the evenings anymore as your pastors,\u201d\u2014it was a smaller church at the time. \u201cBut if you want to meet with us, our wives have said the morning\u2019s the time\u2014so 4 a.m., 5 a.m., 6 a.m. we\u2019ll be there\u20147 p.m., we\u2019re going to be home, lying in bed with our boys and our daughters, praying, reading Scripture, helping our wives\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> That\u2019s great.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cput them to bed.\u201d Here is what I shared.\n\nWhen we shared that stage, we <em>thought<\/em>: \u201cThe congregation is going to applaud. They\u2019re going to be like: \u2018Way to lead. Way to show us.\u2019\u201d They got mad. We heard more complaints like: \u201cWait, wait, wait. You\u2019re our pastor. I work all day; the only time I can meet you is evening.\u201d\n\nWe said: \u201cSorry\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cthis is something\u2026\u201d Now, I can look back, over 30 years later, and go, \u201cOne of the best decisions we ever made.\u201d Being there to pour into disciples\u2014they\u2019re not perfect\u2014but man, I\u2019d just say to every husband, every dad, every mom listening, \u201cDo whatever it takes to seize those moments, because we know.\u201d\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> \u2014because it\u2019s a season, too.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> You\u2019re not\u2014probably now, you take evening appointments\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> \u2014if you have to\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Sure.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> \u2014because you don\u2019t have kids at home. But during that season, you needed to be there.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Be there, abide in Christ, and be authentic about your relationship with Him so that your kids, who don\u2019t remember anything you ever said to them, do remember you on your knees\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014out on the back porch\/do remember that your relationship with Jesus was the real thing\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and that you were living that out and you were there enough so that they could see it.\n\nAgain, it\u2019s not that you can\u2019t do\u2014a lot of what you talk about in the book\u2014these are things that are the activities that can surround that.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But that\u2019s the foundation of it all; don\u2019t you think?\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes; for sure.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s the baseline for this; and it\u2019s on that platform that you, then, start to build the structure of intentional discipleship for your kids. Shelly\u2019s outlined that in a book called <em>First Ask Why<\/em>, which a book that we\u2019re talking about this week. The subtitle is <em>Raising Kids to Love God Through Intentional Discipleship<\/em>.\n\nWe\u2019ve got Shelly\u2019s book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order it from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to order. Again, the title of the book, <em>First Ask Why<\/em>\u2014order online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-358-6329 to get your copy of the book.\n\nLet me just say\u2014this subject of intentional discipleship is at the heart of the video series that FamilyLife produced called the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>. It\u2019s a companion to Dennis and Barbara Rainey\u2019s book by the same name. It\u2019s exciting for us to see how many individuals and churches\u2014how many people are hosting <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> groups in their neighborhoods, having a small group with the parents of their kids\u2019 friends all coming over, once a week, to go through this material\u2014churches are using this in class settings or in small group settings.\n\nThe ministry of the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> is expanding worldwide. We\u2019re seeing tens of thousands of families go through this content in Central and South America; and because of your support during the month of August, we\u2019re moving forward with translating this material into Arabic and into Mandarin. Thank you for helping us take full advantage of the matching-gift opportunity we had in the month of August. We appreciate your partnership with us.\n\nIn fact, we need your partnership, day in and day out. The cost of producing and syndicating this daily radio program, keeping our website up and active, making this content available through a variety of platforms, the events we host, and the resources we create\u2014you make all of that possible when you support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. You can do that easily. You can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. Keep in mind, when you do, you are making practical biblical help and hope for marriage and family available to hundreds of thousands of people all around the world every day. So, again, thanks for your partnership.\n\nNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to continue our conversation with Shelly Wildman, talking about our most important priority, as parents; and that is, the intentional discipling of our children. Hope you can tune in for that.\n\nI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. 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Shelly Wildman believes that if parents want kids who are on fire for the Lord, the parents must have a committed relationship with Christ themselves.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2019-09-05.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, September 5<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I\u2019m Bob Lepine. You\u2019re on a spiritual journey just like your kids are; but do your kids see you on that journey?\u2014or do they think that somehow you\u2019ve arrived? We\u2019re going to talk about what intentional discipleship of our kids looks like today. Stay with us.\n\nAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. If you were to go to your adult children\u2014you\u2019ve got three sons, married, all in their 20s\/early 30s?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> 20s\/30s\u2014yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay; so if I were to go to your kids today\u2014your sons\u2014and say\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, please don\u2019t! I know where you\u2019re going. You\u2019re going to say, \u201cWhat\u2019s the Wilson mission?\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No; I\u2019m not going to ask them to define the mission\u2014although that would be interesting. Could they define it; do you think?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> No. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; they could. Of course, they\u2019d say it perfectly. Do you want me to call them right now?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; let\u2019s try that. [Laughter] I gave the phone number for your son, Cody, to our engineer Keith. I think we\u2019ve got him on the line\u2014Cody, are you there?\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Yes; I\u2019m here.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay; so we\u2019ve got\u2014this is your son, Cody Wilson; right?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes; it is.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you want to say, \u201cHi,\u201d to him?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Hi, Cody.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> How are you doing?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, Cody, we\u2019ve been talking with your mom and dad, here, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> about intentional parenting. First of all, my question for you was: \u201cWere they intentional as parents? Did you feel like they were living on mission and had a focus for what they were doing as they raised you guys?\u201d\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Yes; I think they\u2019re definitely intentional. I think, sometimes, with the busyness of life, that can look a little differently\u2014especially, for our family. If you know my parents, they are not the best at planning things. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes?\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> It wasn\u2019t like, \u201cHey, this week, we\u2019re doing this at this time.\u201d They\u2019re just never going to function like that, regardless of parenting\u2014just in life in general. So, I think the intentionality\u2014I do think they had a vision for my life, for my brothers\u2019 lives, for us as a family. I think a lot of that vision was carried through in their personal lives and with our family; and because of that, I think a lot of what, I would say, I learned would be the idea of\u2014like so much was caught in addition to being taught.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> So, I think because their lifestyle was so authentic and genuine\u2014in how they pursued the Lord and, also, the joy and the authenticity they lived with at home\u2014it was an intentionality that was pretty organic, if that makes sense.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It does make sense. Your dad was telling me that there was some kind of a Wilson family mission statement or motto or something. Do you know what I\u2019m talking about? Do you remember anything like that?\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> I have no idea. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Thanks, Cody, you\u2019re making me look <em>really<\/em> good. It\u2019s okay; we\u2019ve got to go now.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No; no; no.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s enough. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No; what was it you said was the Wilson family mission?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Ann and I talked about raising L3 warriors\u2014and warrior was a key word\u2014that would impact the world. L3\u2014Cody, you remember the Love, Lock, Live?\u2014so love God and others;\u2014\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Yes; for sure.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014lock arms in community; and live open-handedly. That was, sort of, ours.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Like at family dinner, you weren\u2019t saying, \u201cLet\u2019s all chant the Wilson\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I would have liked to have done that, but that wouldn\u2019t have flown.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> She would have loved it.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Cody, do you remember thinking, \u201cI\u2019m being raised as a warrior\u201d?\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, I think definitely. I think I heard words like that. I would say, being a kid, I thought I would probably think it was pretty weird if my parents were like, \u201cWe\u2019re raising you to be an L3.\u201d I would be like, \u201cThat\u2019s not cool to be.\u201d You know what I mean? [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I do.\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> I feel like I\u2014I feel like, especially, words are so important. I think most of my life I don\u2019t think I ever remember my parents speaking negative words over me, in the sense of my identity or who I was. I think that every single word that I heard was complimentary and really powerful in the sense of \u201cYou\u2019re a leader,\u201d or even things being \u201csmart\u201d or \u201cathletic.\u201d I think those were the things. Again, those are just overarching themes of day-to-day life, where there was intentionality. Then there is just\u2014like I think they really believed that about me, so it was an overflow of what they really thought. It was organic in that sense as well.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, let me have you think back to, maybe, high school graduation. If I could take you back to when you were 18 years old and say, \u201cCody, I want you to answer this sentence for me: \u2018My parents will think I\u2019ve really been a success\/I have accomplished what I\u2019m supposed to accomplish <em>if<\/em> I\u2026.\u2019 and then you complete the sentence.\u201d What did you think your parents cared most about for you when you were 18 years old?\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> I think, ultimately, they just wanted me to be following Jesus.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, at the end of the day\u2014because you had athletic gifts; you were smart; you had speaking gifts\/leadership gifts\u2014but at the end of the day, you would say what mattered most to them was: \u201cIs Cody following Jesus?\u201d\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, I think I would say that at the time. Now, looking back, I don\u2019t know if they would have viewed me as a success or a failure based on something I did, honestly. They probably just wanted me to be happy in the sense of living a life of purpose and of joy and doing what the Lord made me to be.\n\nI mean, I think even God, as a Father\u2014He finds delight when we delight in Him. I think any father finds joy when their children are in joy. I think beyond success, they probably would have ultimately wanted me to live a life of joy and of purpose; and ultimately, within that, being the person God made me to be and having a thriving relationship with Him.\n\nI think, probably, with my dad\u2019s history of being a chaplain for the Lions and with my own history of playing sports\u2014like I don\u2019t think it\u2019s like, in any sense like, \u201cMan, you played college football,\u201d or \u201cYou get a scholarship,\u201d\u2014that wouldn\u2019t mean like you\u2019re a success because even those things can be fleeting. I think, for me, it was definitely way more eternal in the sense of legacy, calling, and my relationship with Jesus.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Whether you remembered L3 warrior or not, you got the big picture. Thanks for taking time with us, Cody. Do you want to say goodbye to your son?\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; thanks, Cody; that was awesome.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Bye, Cody. I thought you were going to say\u2014\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Appreciate it.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014your dad wanted you to play in the NFL. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> That\u2019s true.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And you did; that was sort of fun. Actually, you want to hear something from my perspective?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> When Cody was in the Detroit Lions\u2019 locker room, and he locker-ed right beside Calvin Johnson, so, it was pretty cool to walk in there and see a possible Hall of Famer, Calvin 6\u20196\u201d and then Cody, my son, 5\u2014how tall are you now, Cody?\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> 5\u201910\u201d\/5\u20199.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; he\u2019s 5\u20198.\u201d [Laughter] So, anyway\u2014\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> 5\u20199.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014okay; you\u2019re 5\u20199.\u201d Here is my point\u2014I always sort of thought, \u201cIf this could ever happen, it would be the ultimate dream, as the Lions\u2019 chaplain and his dad.\u201d Then, when he ended up, co-pastoring with us at our church, I realized that NFL dream was too small. I mean, I\u2019m getting teary thinking about what we get to do together now, as father\/son, leading a congregation to go on mission. It\u2019s so much greater. You know, the NFL\u2014that was a neat, little thing for a while\u2014but man, this is\u2014this is the ultimate\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014to raise sons and daughters, who are warriors for the kingdom.\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Could I add something else I thought would be a good story?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sure.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Uh-oh!\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Well, I was just thinking\u2014because I think this is really important, and this is what I\u2019m talking about\u2014like organic; like it\u2019s funny. When I think about intentional things, I remember way less the conversations that were had\u2014obviously, there were important ones\u2014but like things that are burned into my memory. I remember waking up, being in high school, and walking through the kitchen.\n\nOur deck was in the back. For some reason, my mom would always\u2014you always had dumb bells out there. [Laughter] You\u2019d be working out on the deck; but I remember walking by and seeing her on her knees and her hands lifted, and her like worshipping Jesus in the midst of\u2014I don\u2019t know if she was working out or whatever she was doing\u2014but like those are the visceral memories that were, I think, honestly, way more intentional and impactful a vision of what it looks like to follow Jesus, even in my own life.\n\nI\u2019ve heard the quote: \u201cYou teach what you know but reproduce who you are.\u201d Obviously, you imitate what you see; so it\u2019s\u2014sometimes, it\u2019s like: \u201cYou want to be intentional; your lifestyle is going to be the thing that is copied\u2014not what you say\u2014so be intentional with the way you are living, because that\u2019s going to create something that\u2019s going to be reproduced.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s great. Thanks for sharing the story; and thanks for sharing some time with us, Cody.\n\n<strong>Cody:<\/strong> Yes; appreciate it. Thanks.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Talk to you again.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> See you.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> See you.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we kind of sprung that on both you and your son; but hearing him reflect on that, you can kind of look back and say, \u201cIn spite of whatever we didn\u2019t do, should have done, did poorly, God still moves in the midst of our imperfections to accomplish things.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting because I remember, when they were little\/when he was little, so many nights, lying in bed, thinking: \u201cI\u2019m a bad mom. I\u2019ve blown it. 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Cody said some <em>wonderful<\/em> things that I was like, \u201cOh, yes; yes; that\u2019s it!\u201d He used the word, \u201cauthenticity\u201d\u2014that you guys were so authentic, and that\u2019s what he picked up. I have parents ask me, all the time, just: \u201cWhat can I do? What can I do? I feel like I\u2019m doing it wrong. I\u2019m messing up.\u201d I just keep saying: \u201cJust be authentic. Be yourself. What you have in your heart\u2014that is going to flow through to your kids,\u201d\u2014which is also a caution to us, as parents. We have to be where we need to be with the Lord in order to pour into our kids.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and as we worked on the video series, the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and Dennis and Barbara Rainey wrote a book by that title, one of the things that we wanted to make sure we communicated was that this model of what you are is what\u2019s most significant. In fact, if you are teaching your kids the right stuff, and you\u2019re not living it,\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014that may be more spiritually detrimental. If your kids are seeing hypocrisy,\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014it\u2019s almost like it would be better for them to see authentic lack of spiritual passion than for them to see an inauthentic, verbalized, \u201cYes, we\u2019re all about Jesus,\u201d\u2014and then, \u201cNo, we\u2019re really not.\u201d\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014the lifestyle isn\u2019t matching.\n\n<strong>Shelly: <\/strong>Right; right.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> You know, that\u2019s not to say we don\u2019t all mess up.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sure.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> We absolutely do.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> But, when we, then, can come to our kids in humility and say: \u201cYou know what? I really did mess up, and this isn\u2019t how God wants me to act,\u201d\u2014that idea of, again, being authentic in our humility is so important.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You know, what\u2019s really interesting that\u2014I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s recent research\u2014but youth pastors are always trying evaluate, \u201cHow is our youth ministry doing?\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You know what they recently, sort of, discovered? We get these kids in our youth group\u2014middle school\/high school\u2014they get really involved. Usually, there is a weekly meeting; there are retreats. There seems to be fire in their bellies with these kids on their walk with Jesus\u2014really effective. Then they go to college, and they grow up, and they walk away from the faith.\n\nThey [youth pastors] are like: \u201cWhat are we missing? What isn\u2019t sticking? What isn\u2019t working?\u201d You know what they found out? The kids that stay are the ones that come home from the retreat and go to a family that has the same values\/is living it out, authentically, in front of them.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> The ones that go home to families that aren\u2019t living it\u2014often, it doesn\u2019t stick. It\u2019s like: \u201cMan, you want to impact a high school kid? Don\u2019t have a great youth ministry; have a great family ministry.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u201cHelp those families really walk with God.\u201d As you talk about this in your book\u2014\u201cit\u2019s an overflow.\u201d\n\nWhen I was a young dad, especially, we are <em>exhausted<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We have <em>no time<\/em>\u2014we\u2019re trying to work, trying to raise kids, trying to get them to bed, trying to get them to all the sports activities. How does a mom and dad keep their fire in their own spiritual walk <em>real<\/em> so that it can be an overflow that is caught by their kids?\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes; you know, I think, you have to be committed to having that relationship with Christ in your own life\u2014and encouraging each other\/nurturing that in each other.\n\nAlso, something just occurred to me, too, is wrestling in front of our kids. Sometimes, I think parents feel like: \u201cIf I am wrestling with some element of my faith, I don\u2019t want my kids to see that. They might see that as a chink in the armor.\u201d But you know? I think kids really want to see that you are wrestling with your faith\u2014that your faith matters enough to you to talk these things through.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, here\u2019s why that\u2019s important; because, when they face doubts,\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and they will\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> \u2014and they will.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014if they think: \u201cI don\u2019t know what\u2019s wrong with me. Mom and Dad never faced doubts.\u201d\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Then they think, \u201cI\u2019m just different than Mom and Dad.\u201d Then they will start to drift\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because they feel like: \u201cI can\u2019t get to where Mom and Dad are. I can\u2019t be that person.\u201d\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> They\u2019ll struggle in private\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Absolutely; absolutely.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014because they are afraid to admit.\n\nRemember when CJ, our oldest, came to you [Ann] with something he didn\u2019t think was right about believing in God because\u2014remember? He wasn\u2019t even 12 years old. You know, like he is so intelligent. He was like, \u201cWhy would God command no murder\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, it was\u2014he was four, actually.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Four?!\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> He was four years old, and we were reading the story of David and Goliath.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I was reading it, and it was to the part where David cut off Goliath\u2019s head. CJ stopped and he said: \u201cI don\u2019t understand. I thought the Bible said we weren\u2019t to murder. Yet, David murders Goliath; and that\u2019s okay. I don\u2019t understand. Where is that?\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Here\u2019s the funny thing about it.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wait; wait. What\u2019s Mom\u2019s answer to that question?\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I said, \u201cHey, Dave, how would you answer that?\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Pastor Dave?\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Exactly; good answer. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Honestly, she did then; but as CJ became 10\/12\u2014and he\u2019s got a really sharp mind\u2014he would doubt.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I remember Ann coming to me one time\u2014remember? She was freaking out, like, \u201cHe\u2019s not believing.\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cThis is <em>awesome<\/em>\u201d; because I struggle with those things. It\u2019s like we can talk; because he\u2019s got a dad, who has asked those hard questions: \u201cLet\u2019s ask them together.\u201d What was almost a freak-out moment was also\u2014it\u2019s just what you said\u2014\u201cLet\u2019s struggle together.\u201d\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> That shows our kids that it matters enough to us to have those same struggles with them. That was, often, our dinnertime conversation. I mention in the book, we kind of got an \u201cF\u201d in family devotions; we weren\u2019t that great at that. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> But that\u2019s so encouraging to hear; because I think a lot of families have a picture, like, \u201cWe should be sitting down talking.\u201d \u201cWhat went wrong? Why didn\u2019t it work?\u201d I always thought, with girls, it would work.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Oh, no. Oh, it was\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Because with boys, it didn\u2019t work.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> No, it was terrible; it was terrible. Then, we felt this awful guilt\u2014\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> \u2014terrible, terrible guilt; because I\u2019m sure everybody else in my wonderful church was doing it just right, and we could <em>not<\/em> get it right. But you know what we did was\u2014we talked about those questions, and we struggled together.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I will tell you what. Just for the encouragement of our listeners, if you go to FamilyLifeToday.com, there is a video clip there. Kevin DeYoung, who is a pastor, shares about their family devotions; and it\u2019s a mess for them, too.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> I\u2019m so glad. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, if you want some real encouragement around your house, you can go and watch the video of just Kevin talking about\u2014this is a part from the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> video series\u2014but it\u2019s just that clip of him talking about family devotions.\n\nI think we have to recognize that the Deuteronomy 6 model that we often hear about\u2014you have your family devotions in the car, and as you are on a walk, and as you are at the grocery store. That\u2019s not to say that you don\u2019t have formal times of teaching\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014times you get the family together and open the Bible\u2014or that you can\u2019t, at dinnertime, just say, \u201cI\u2019m going to read three verses\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes; for sure.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand then we\u2019ll ask if anybody has anything to pray about.\u201d I mean, you can keep it really simple; but just know that there is not a requirement in heaven. They don\u2019t look at you, when you get to heaven and go: \u201cOkay; look, we saw the family devotions. You did get an \u2018F\u2019 in family devotions.\u201d [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> \u201cYou failed.\u201d\n\nYou know, what I also\u2014what I mention in the book is\u2014I looked at the life of Jesus. He had disciples; we are discipling our kids.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s interesting because I did think that, as a mom: \u201cMy number-one job is to be a discipler of my kids first.\u201d I had this thought, like, \u201cAs a discipler, I should always have something that God put in me,\u201d\u2014it made me desperate for Jesus. I realized, \u201cIf I would go five days and I never mentioned Jesus, like, \u2018Whoa! I haven\u2019t invested my own personal time with Him to hear God of what He\u2019s saying to me in His Word.\u2019\u201d So, it made me cling to Him and say, \u201cGod, what are You saying to me today that I can pass on?\u201d\n\nBut I think that\u2019s good for us to remember\u2014like, \u201cIs there something going on that is fresh each day?\u201d\u2014not something I\u2019m pulling out, 20 years ago, that God did. Our kids are looking for that; and even dialoguing about that of, maybe: \u201cI struggled today with this\u2026\u201d or \u201c\u2026this thought\u2026\u201d \u201cI read this Scripture...\u201d \u201cI had this conversation\u2026\u201d\u2014that\u2019s just part of our dialogue.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes; it doesn\u2019t have to be forced.\n\n<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> You know, our kids sniff out that hypocrisy in us if we are just like, \u201cOoh, I have to talk about Jesus today.\u201d It doesn\u2019t have to be forced, but it can be authentic.\n\nIn the chapter on prayer, I talk about, you know: \u201cHow do you develop a sense of prayer in your kids?\u201d It\u2019s really hard, I think; but one of my daughters said to me, \u201cOh, Mom, talk about praying,\u201d in the car. That was one of those examples of\u2014you\u2019re having these deep conversations in the car, and you don\u2019t really know either what to say or how to respond. I would often just say, \u201cOkay.\u201d We\u2019d pull in the garage; and I\u2019d just say, \u201cCan I just pray for you right now?\u201d I\u2019d put my hand on their arm, and we would just have a quick moment of prayer; but I felt like, \u201cOkay, that\u2019s the right response at that time.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s amazing that she remembers that.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> I know it.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> And you didn\u2019t even think of it, \u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> No.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014but it impacted her.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I would add this\u2014and it\u2019s in your book\u2014is, as a parent, you\u2019ve got to be there.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> You do.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I mean, if we\u2019re called to be the disciplers of our kids, you can\u2019t do it when you\u2019re not there. It\u2019s interesting\u2014just Sunday, Ann and I, together, spoke on parenting at our church. I shared something that most people didn\u2019t know.\n\nI said, \u201cTwenty-nine years ago, we started this church, and many of you weren\u2019t here; but I stood on this stage in the first year after my wife had said to me,\u201d\u2014first chapter of <em>Vertical Marriage<\/em> book\u2014\u201c\u2018I\u2019ve lost my feelings for you.\u2019\u201d I realized a lot of that was\u2014\u201cI\u2019m not home, and I\u2019m not there.\u201d So, I said to her, \u201cYou need me here to help put the kids to bed. When do you need me? I can\u2019t be here every night. I can\u2019t be here every morning. What would you pick? Morning or evening?\u201d She said, \u201cEvening.\u201d\n\nSteve Andrews and I said to the congregation\u2014because his marriage was in trouble as well\u2014and it\u2019s sort of a historic moment that nobody in church ever has heard before. We said to the church: \u201cWe\u2019re not going to be available to any of you in the evenings anymore as your pastors,\u201d\u2014it was a smaller church at the time. \u201cBut if you want to meet with us, our wives have said the morning\u2019s the time\u2014so 4 a.m., 5 a.m., 6 a.m. we\u2019ll be there\u20147 p.m., we\u2019re going to be home, lying in bed with our boys and our daughters, praying, reading Scripture, helping our wives\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> That\u2019s great.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cput them to bed.\u201d Here is what I shared.\n\nWhen we shared that stage, we <em>thought<\/em>: \u201cThe congregation is going to applaud. They\u2019re going to be like: \u2018Way to lead. Way to show us.\u2019\u201d They got mad. We heard more complaints like: \u201cWait, wait, wait. You\u2019re our pastor. I work all day; the only time I can meet you is evening.\u201d\n\nWe said: \u201cSorry\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cthis is something\u2026\u201d Now, I can look back, over 30 years later, and go, \u201cOne of the best decisions we ever made.\u201d Being there to pour into disciples\u2014they\u2019re not perfect\u2014but man, I\u2019d just say to every husband, every dad, every mom listening, \u201cDo whatever it takes to seize those moments, because we know.\u201d\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> \u2014because it\u2019s a season, too.\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> You\u2019re not\u2014probably now, you take evening appointments\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> \u2014if you have to\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Sure.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> \u2014because you don\u2019t have kids at home. But during that season, you needed to be there.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Be there, abide in Christ, and be authentic about your relationship with Him so that your kids, who don\u2019t remember anything you ever said to them, do remember you on your knees\u2014\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014out on the back porch\/do remember that your relationship with Jesus was the real thing\u2014\n\n<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and that you were living that out and you were there enough so that they could see it.\n\nAgain, it\u2019s not that you can\u2019t do\u2014a lot of what you talk about in the book\u2014these are things that are the activities that can surround that.\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But that\u2019s the foundation of it all; don\u2019t you think?\n\n<strong>Shelly:<\/strong> Yes; for sure.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s the baseline for this; and it\u2019s on that platform that you, then, start to build the structure of intentional discipleship for your kids. Shelly\u2019s outlined that in a book called <em>First Ask Why<\/em>, which a book that we\u2019re talking about this week. The subtitle is <em>Raising Kids to Love God Through Intentional Discipleship<\/em>.\n\nWe\u2019ve got Shelly\u2019s book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order it from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to order. Again, the title of the book, <em>First Ask Why<\/em>\u2014order online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-358-6329 to get your copy of the book.\n\nLet me just say\u2014this subject of intentional discipleship is at the heart of the video series that FamilyLife produced called the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>. It\u2019s a companion to Dennis and Barbara Rainey\u2019s book by the same name. It\u2019s exciting for us to see how many individuals and churches\u2014how many people are hosting <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> groups in their neighborhoods, having a small group with the parents of their kids\u2019 friends all coming over, once a week, to go through this material\u2014churches are using this in class settings or in small group settings.\n\nThe ministry of the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> is expanding worldwide. We\u2019re seeing tens of thousands of families go through this content in Central and South America; and because of your support during the month of August, we\u2019re moving forward with translating this material into Arabic and into Mandarin. Thank you for helping us take full advantage of the matching-gift opportunity we had in the month of August. We appreciate your partnership with us.\n\nIn fact, we need your partnership, day in and day out. The cost of producing and syndicating this daily radio program, keeping our website up and active, making this content available through a variety of platforms, the events we host, and the resources we create\u2014you make all of that possible when you support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. You can do that easily. You can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. Keep in mind, when you do, you are making practical biblical help and hope for marriage and family available to hundreds of thousands of people all around the world every day. So, again, thanks for your partnership.\n\nNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to continue our conversation with Shelly Wildman, talking about our most important priority, as parents; and that is, the intentional discipling of our children. Hope you can tune in for that.\n\nI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. 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