{"id":305284,"date":"2019-08-21T06:00:05","date_gmt":"2019-08-21T10:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/your-boys-spiritual-formation\/"},"modified":"2019-08-21T06:00:05","modified_gmt":"2019-08-21T10:00:05","slug":"your-boys-spiritual-formation","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/your-boys-spiritual-formation\/","title":{"rendered":"Your Boy&#8217;s Spiritual Formation"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Monica Swanson talks about the importance of spiritually discipling sons. 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As a mom raising sons, that\u2019s something Monica Swanson has been very cognizant of.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>One of my key verses I always had on my mind is Ephesians 5:15; because, really, the theme is intentionality\u2014being intentional about the things you\u2019re talking about. It says, \u201cBe careful then how you live, not as unwise but as wise, because the days are evil.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the important thing there is to just realize that we are raising kids in an environment that is <em>not<\/em> for God. Whether they\u2019re in school; or in sports; or in my case, down at the beach, there\u2019s not going to be a whole lot of people cheering them on in their faith. We <em>must<\/em> be very careful, then, how we parent. Looking for those opportunities takes intentionality, and that\u2019s the only way we\u2019re going to do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, August 21<sup>st<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. How can we train our sons not to love the world or the things in the world, as the Bible tells us? We\u2019ll talk more about that today with Monica Swanson. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, there\u2019s a lot of conversation in the culture today about what has been labeled \u201ctoxic masculinity.\u201d I think what\u2019s happened is\u2014a lot of people have assumed that \u201ctoxic\u201d is the automatic modifier for the word, \u201cmasculinity\u201d; that if someone is masculine, then it must be toxic. Part of what we have to understand is that, by God\u2019s design, masculinity is not inherently toxic. As we raise our sons, we want to <em>affirm<\/em> the masculinity without affirming any of the toxic, sinful expressions of that masculinity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I think Jesus\u2019 example\u2014of what a real man is\u2014is pretty beautiful, because He was the ultimate servant leader. When those two are combined, I don\u2019t know how people can call that toxic if a man is loving, and leading, and serving the people that he\u2019s around and the people he loves.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I think it\u2019s true for both men and women. When we\u2019re living out our God-given design as a man\u2014and that doesn\u2019t mean overly-aggressive\u2014it does mean there\u2019s some aggression that\u2019s controlled in a beautiful, tempered way. Same for a woman; it\u2019s a beautiful thing. I think people <em>respond<\/em> to a man being a man and a woman being a woman. Yet, as we talk about today, it has a lot to do with developing boys into men. How do you do that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>As parents, we want to be careful that we\u2019re not imposing some kind of cultural gender bias with our kids; but we also want to acknowledge the reality of gender difference and that boys are different than girls. Rather than to try to erase that difference, let\u2019s figure out how to <em>embrace<\/em> that difference and how to affirm it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have Monica Swanson joining us this week. She is the author of a book called <em>Boy Mom: What Your Son Needs Most from You<\/em>. Monica, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Monica and her husband, Dr. Dave, live on the north shore of Oahu and have lived there for the last 18 years. He\u2019s a hospitalist; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You have four sons, so you\u2019ve been hard at work raising boys. One of the areas\u2014as we\u2019ve talked about the challenges of a mom raising boys\u2014one of the areas we haven\u2019t spent a lot of time with is helping disciple boys and spiritual formation of boys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDid you find that there was challenge in this area as you were raising the boys?\u2014 that there was resistance on their part to spiritual things, and to reading the Bible, and to going to church, and all of that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Yes; well, I appreciate that you mention my husband in the opening here; because really, I do like to always give credit where credit is due. My husband\u2019s been an <em>amazing<\/em> father and sets just a good and godly example to my boys. I write this book, <em>Boy Mom<\/em>, for moms out there. I realize there are a lot of single moms and a lot of moms, whose husbands maybe aren\u2019t doing their job so well in that area; but I like to just acknowledge that my husband\u2019s been an awesome father and really invests time into my sons\u2019 spiritual life and all areas of their life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI do think that a mom can do a lot, whether or not her husband\u2019s involved. I think a mom is such an important figure in shaping and forming her sons. Whether you have a man by your side or not, I think you can do a lot. Finding good male role models is a big key; so if your husband\u2019s not involved or a father\u2019s not in the picture, I say, \u201cGet out there and find some men, who are doing it well; and try to get them involved wherever you can.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs for my boys, we\u2014my husband and I\u2014just love the Lord and have been so blessed to walk with Him many years. When my boys were little, it was a very natural part of raising them\u2014is just teaching them, from the time they were little, the most basic Scriptures\u2014you know, my husband with my sons\u2014John 3:16 in bed at night, having them repeat after him, \u201cFor God so loved the world\u2026\u201d Some of their first memories were laying in bed with Dad, reciting Scripture verses before bed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs they grew up, they had questions, certainly. They\u2019d have questions; they\u2019d have doubts; they\u2019d have fears. They\u2019d start to think about things like death and \u201cWhat does that look like?\u201d and \u201cHow do I know that I can trust the Bible is real?\u201d When it comes to questions, the way we\u2019ve handled it is\u2014first of all, taking them to the Bible. We read them what God has to say about it; and then, as they get older, my husband really believes in teaching them to search for themselves and kind of wrestle with some of those things\/wrestle with their doubts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs he says: \u201cYou know, if it\u2019s truth, it\u2019s going to stand every test; so ask some hard questions. Yes; ask Mom and Dad\u201d; but he\u2019s also started directing them to go to their youth leaders\/people we trust outside of us, because I think kids need to know it\u2019s just not Mom and Dad. They have some good role models in their life that they can turn to, and meet with, and dig into God\u2019s Word, and ask the hard questions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I think modeling is probably <em>the<\/em> biggest thing we do, as parents. If your choice is between teaching and modeling, don\u2019t teach and not model; because that just undermines everything you\u2019re teaching\u2014that just says, \u201cHypocrisy on display here.\u201d If you could only do one, pick modeling; but the point is: \u201cYou can do both.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say, in our house, most of my spiritual training of our kids was\u2014it was more modeling than teaching. Mary Ann did more of the teaching of our kids, spiritually. She had more time; she was with them more than I was. This is something moms can do and can be intentional and purposeful; they just have to make it a priority.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. Incorporating into our days wherever we can\u2014not just church on Sundays; not just devotions for families that do that. Deuteronomy\u2019s Chapter 6 talks about: \u201cTalk about it as you walk along the street, when you get up, when you lie down,\u201d just trying to look for ways to incorporate your faith into your whole day. The best way to do that is to have the Lord on your mind all day long. If you\u2019re getting up, reading your Bible\/if you\u2019re spending time with the Lord, it\u2019s going to be a natural overflow into the things you\u2019re talking about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI find just really practical ways to talk about what God\u2019s doing in my life, and what I see around me can just be a very natural part of the day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I would add, you know\u2014as I watched Ann, and hearing you, Monica, talk about a mom\u2019s role in the spiritual development of your boys\u2014and daughters, but specifically boys\u2014you know, I even preached on it, celebrating Ann at mealtime, at drive-time, at bedtime; all these moments where I saw her <em>seize<\/em> moments to bring Jesus into the picture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I also want to say to the men listening: \u201cDon\u2019t abdicate that to your wife.\u201d I mean, it\u2019s real easy, as a husband and a dad, to watch a woman, sometimes better than us, teaching our kids and just become a bystander\/become passive. It\u2019s like, \u201cNo; we have to step in there and be a partner.\u201d It is the modeling\u2014they\u2019re going to look at Dad\u2014especially young boys\u2014to say: \u201cOkay; Mom tells me all this stuff. Is it real? Is Dad living this? Does Dad believe this?\u201d They need to hear that from us as well. We need to be <em>active<\/em>, teaching and living this out <em>beside<\/em> mom.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That really doesn\u2019t happen unless we\u2019re <em>saturated<\/em> with Jesus ourselves and it begins to pour out. It can be the driest time for moms and dads; because you\u2019re so busy with raising your kids, it\u2019s hard to get time in. It\u2019s not like you have an hour just to relax and spend in God\u2019s Word today. But that is when Deuteronomy 6 comes into play\u2014that we talk about Him when we walk along the way, when we\u2019re having breakfast, when we\u2019re having dinner, when we\u2019re going to bed. That became a theme for us, but it didn\u2019t happen unless it was <em>first<\/em> in me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I think that\u2019s key for moms\u2014to figure out how you can do that. I used to have my Bible in the car and at the table; so that I was telling stories, even to our boys, about, \u201cI talked to this woman about Jesus today.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>So they\u2019d see <em>me<\/em> doing it, like, \u201cOh, so this is for real.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>I totally agree. One of my key verses I always had on my mind, in writing the book and in all things parenting, is Ephesians 5:15; because really the theme is intentionality\u2014being intentional about the things you\u2019re talking about. It says, \u201cBe careful then how you live, not as unwise but as wise, because the days are evil.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the important thing there is to just realize that we are raising kids in an environment that is <em>not<\/em> for God. Whether they\u2019re in school; or in sports; or in my case, down at the beach, there\u2019s not going to be a whole lot of people cheering them on in their faith; so we <em>must<\/em> be very careful, then, how we parent. Looking for those opportunities takes intentionality, and that\u2019s the only way we\u2019re going to do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I clearly think Deuteronomy 6 gives us the paradigm for how we\u2019re to do this, as parents; but I\u2019m a little concerned that parents will read this and go: \u201cOkay; so I just do this kind of on-the-fly, when the Spirit moves me. I don\u2019t have to be purposeful and intentional; I just look for opportunities.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m concerned that we have kids, growing up, who can\u2019t recite the Lord\u2019s Prayer. Now, there\u2019s nothing magical about the Lord\u2019s Prayer; but when I was growing up, I memorized the Lord\u2019s Prayer, and I memorized some Scripture. In fact, with our kids, I decided, when they were little, that they needed to know the Apostles\u2019 Creed. Now, the Apostles\u2019 Creed\u2019s not Scripture\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Wow; you\u2019re going deep! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In our church\u2014see, we don\u2019t recite the Apostles\u2019 Creed in our church; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So I thought, \u201cMy kids need to know the Apostles\u2019 Creed!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It\u2019s full of truth and doctrine.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It is full of truth, and it\u2019ll serve them for a long time. When my son, James, was\u2014I forget how old he was at this point; he was maybe six years old\u2014I said, \u201cI\u2019ll pay you five bucks if you memorize the Apostles\u2019 Creed.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Perfect.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Bribing is always good when it comes to spiritual. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And I want to show you\u2014I wish I could show you the video\u2014but I\u2019ll play for you the audio of when he earned his $5.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>I can\u2019t wait.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You ready for this? Here we go; go ahead.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Here it is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Audio Recording]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Here on May 11, 1995, to say the Apostles\u2019 Creed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>James: <\/strong>\u201cI believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried. Ascended into hell\u2014\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Descended.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>James: <\/strong>\u201c\u2014<em>descended<\/em> into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father; from thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Alright!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>How old was he, Bob?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That was May of \u201995; he was born in June of \u201988, so he was almost seven years old when he did that. He doesn\u2019t know what half of those words mean; right? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>\u201c\u2026sitteth\u201d\u2014that\u2019s good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes! We used the old original. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>I love it!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But, you know what? That foundation in him\/that intentionality\u2014those little assignments, along the way that we do, as parents, in the spiritual development and formation of our kids\u2014he can still do the Apostles\u2019 Creed today, even though he probably hasn\u2019t said it\u2014you know, he doesn\u2019t say it regularly; but it\u2019s buried in there. Such a fertile field in the lives of young children that we can be building spiritual truth in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>We don\u2019t set the bar high enough. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Our kids are capable of memorizing every song or video game\u2014what to do in the next step\u2014why wouldn\u2019t we take our time and be intentional about pouring into some real truth?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You know, it\u2019s funny\u2014I get to watch it [video of James], and he\u2019s moving around like a little\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Oh, he\u2019s acting it out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He\u2019s being a little comic\/a little cut-up. At one point, I\u2019m going, \u201cDon\u2019t be silly with, \u2018He was crucified, dead, and buried.\u2019\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I saw that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>He went down to the floor, you know, \u201cdead and buried.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I have thought this: \u201cThere were times when we were trying to teach our little boys spiritual truths in the family room, and they\u2019d be up running and crawling. Sometimes, as a parent, you give up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u201cYou\u2019re like, \u2018Oh, they\u2019re not listening.\u2019\u201d It\u2019s like: \u201cNo, no, no! Don\u2019t give up! Keep going! They\u2019re boys; they\u2019re going to move around; they need to be moving. You can still teach. Maybe use the movement as a way to teach.\u201d I\u2019m guessing you did that and are still doing that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>We sure do, and we sure have. There are times that, yes, we have to basically strap down our youngest; because everyone else is into a good discussion, and the youngest is set on being a comedian; so he\u2019ll stand up in the middle of it, but they\u2019re getting something out of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Here\u2019s the thing about the intentional moments\/about the spontaneous moments\u2014we look at it and think, \u201cDid what I want to accomplish in that moment\u2014was it successful?\u201d I think what we lose sight of is the message we\u2019ve just sent: \u201cThinking about God is important,\u201d \u201cLooking to the Bible for answers is important,\u201d \u201cSpending time with God is important.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhatever else got missed in the specifics of that, the discipline of that sends the bigger message to our children: \u201cOh, Mom and Dad think this is really important. This is not just something that we show up on Sunday and then we forget about it the rest of the week.\u201d We\u2019re modeling for them what\u2019s important to us. Again, even if the specifics don\u2019t come across, the general principle: \u201cGod and His Word are driving the agenda for the day,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what\u2019s important.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Just recently, I heard somebody ask my son\/my oldest son about his spiritual formation. Of course, I was thrilled to hear when he said: \u201cMore than anything else, it was seeing what my parents did and seeing where they found truth. When they had a question, they opened their Bible. They didn\u2019t look to culture; they went straight to the Word of God.\u201d You do wonder, when you\u2019re in the middle of it, what they\u2019re picking up. When you can hear them say that\u2019s what they picked up, more than anything else, then something good is happening.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne thing I talk about with friends, all the time, is just the Book of Proverbs and how that\u2019s been <em>so<\/em> helpful in raising boys. We all need wisdom. A boy\u2019s life\u2014I think the Book of Proverbs in the Bible is just so full of truths that are so practical and so applicable to everything going on today. It\u2019s just a handy book to turn to every day of the month, since there are 31 chapters. Something we ask our boys to do as part of their devotions: \u201cDo whatever you want\/read whatever you want,\u201d\u2014some of them are going through studies with their youth group\u2014but I say, \u201cJust read a chapter of Proverbs.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen my husband and I try to keep up on it as well; so around the dinner table or when things come up, we can say, \u201cOh, did you notice how the Proverbs we read today\u2026\u201d It kind of keeps them accountable. There are so many simple, profound truths in Proverbs that I think it\u2019s one of the best books for shaping a boy\u2019s heart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>With the Proverbs assignment that a lot of families will do\u2014here\u2019s what frustrated me\u2014Proverbs jumps from subject to subject to subject\u2014it\u2019s kind of like, \u201cWhat\u2019s the big idea?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So say to the kids, \u201cRead the chapter, and look for the one\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>\u2014one; that\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cwhat\u2019s the one verse for you today that you want to highlight?\u2014or that you want to think about?\u2014that you want to meditate on today? At dinner tonight, we\u2019ll each come up with what was our proverb of the day.\u201d Maybe, you don\u2019t do that every night\u2014again, kids kind of get, \u201cI\u2019m bored with this assignment,\u201d\u2014but you can throw that thing out and just make it a part of the warp and woof of your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That\u2019s what I was going to mention: \u201cHow do you get kids to do that if they don\u2019t want to?\u201d\u2014like, \u201cThis is dumb; I don\u2019t want to do this.\u201d How have you motivated your kids to read Proverbs or to be in the Word?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Interestingly, somehow, without being too hard and fast with rules, we\u2019ve just kind of made it what you do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>It\u2019s a rhythm of your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know; it\u2019s a rhythm of our life. I don\u2019t know if we got real lucky, but we haven\u2019t had anybody protest it. I think my youngest, right now, is the one I still have to do devotions <em>with<\/em>. If he\u2019s going to do it, it\u2019s going to require me pulling him into my lap and saying, \u201cLet\u2019s read your devotional.\u201d But we just say: \u201cThat\u2019s what you do. It\u2019s just part of what we do, as a family.\u201d We all\u2014my husband and I\u2014we get up; we read our Bible\u2014it\u2019s just what you <em>do<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it helps to start young; but if you don\u2019t, then you can still set that as a part of their day and just make it a simple requirement: \u201cI\u2019m not asking you to spend an hour-and-a-half. We\u2019re just saying, \u2018Find a chapter of the Bible and read it.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Let me ask you if you\u2019ve had a dinner conversation about this proverb. This gets us into another area, and you mentioned this as one of the 12 areas to talk about with you son. Tell me if you know where this comes from\u2014Proverbs; I won\u2019t tell you where\u2014but it says: \u201cFor the lips of a forbidden woman drip honey and her speech is smoother than oil; but in the end she is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword. Her feet go down the path, her steps follow the path to Sheol. She does not ponder the path of life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>But it does bring into the whole area for a young man\u2014and all men\u2014of sexual temptation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I had a single mom, so I had no dad there to talk to me about that. I actually could watch his model, and it wasn\u2019t a good one with women. So I have a single mom, trying\u2014as I\u2019m 13, 14, 16, 18\u2014talking to me. Talk about that\u2014as a mom, stepping into those areas with a young son.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Not only is my husband a great man, he\u2019s also a medical doctor; but I will say, \u201cI\u2019m the one who has most of the talks with my sons about those things.\u201d I encourage moms: \u201cIt doesn\u2019t have to be the father. There\u2019s no right way to do it. Whoever\u2019s most comfortable talking about this stuff, talk about it.\u201d My husband does get involved in the conversation, but I am usually the one to bring it up. We do talk about that from the time that they can understand things\u2014we talk about purity. Proverbs is a <em>great<\/em> place to start.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA couple of the verses I have my boys memorize come from Psalm 119; verse 9 says: \u201cHow can a young man keep his way pure? By living according to Your word.\u201d Verse 11 says, \u201cI have hidden Your word in my heart, that I might not sin against You.\u201d Those, to me, have been just two verses that, from a very young age, I said: \u201cYou need to know these; because there\u2019s only one way to stay pure, and that\u2019s by having God\u2019s Word hidden in your heart. That\u2019s <em>why<\/em> we go over these. There\u2019s a reason behind what we do. You have to know the Word of God, or else you\u2019re going to be double-challenged.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Here\u2019s how this gets expressed in the Boy Mom Manifesto, which is at the back of your book, <em>Boy Mom: What Your Son Needs Most from You<\/em>. You say, \u201cAs a boy mom, I\u2019m committed to investing in my son daily. I will lead my son into relationship with God through guidance and personal example; I\u2019ll pray for my son daily; and I\u2019ll do whatever I can to help him mature a vibrant, spiritual life.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you fail at a lot, and you succeed at that, that covers a multitude of other issues in your son\u2019s life; because it brings him back to what is the source, what is the anchor, and what\u2019s going to really matter. I think your book, your blog, and this conversation that we\u2019ve been having this week for boy moms is <em>really<\/em> significant. I think this is going to help a lot of moms, who are raising boys. Monica, we\u2019re grateful for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Thank you so much!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Thanks for being here and for talking about this, and thanks for writing the book. We have copies of Monica\u2019s book, <em>Boy Mom: What Your Son Needs Most from You<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order the book from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; the number to call is 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThinking about what Monica shared with us today, I\u2019m just aware, again, of how important it is for us, as parents, to be intentional, to be purposeful, to get out of the day-to-day mindset and think big picture\/think long-term. David Robbins, who\u2019s the President of FamilyLife, is here with us today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid, we\u2019re doing all we know how to do to try help moms and dads, all around the world, adapt an intentionality mindset with their parenting. The <em>Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series that came out last year is now starting to expand in Central America\/Latin America. We\u2019re hoping to take it into East Asia and into Arabic-speaking countries, but we\u2019re working on raising the money for translations. This is something we think can be revolutionary for families and for cultures.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>Parenting is such a universal language. We\u2019re <em>sitting<\/em> on this resource that we knew God was making something special as we created it, but we are seeing it truly reach hundreds of thousands of people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know personally, for me, living in a secular place like New York before I came to FamilyLife, not everyone would come to church with us; but they would sit around our kitchen tables or in our living rooms, and they would talk about the challenges of parenting. There was something sacred with it\u2014there\u2019s something around legacy\u2014and there\u2019s something in this want to of: \u201cI need help.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are helping people, radically, reorient their lives around a gospel-driven, biblical viewpoint on what parenting is and how the role of a mom and a dad in their kids\u2019 lives and how they shape them. You know, in Latin America, one of the things that has been so encouraging for me is watching FamilyLife staff and volunteers train pastors and lay leaders in churches all over Latin America, where the <em>Like Arrows<\/em> movie is shown to full audiences. At the end of it, there\u2019s a team of people, going, \u201cWe are starting these <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> groups.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou really do see the power of a mobilized force of people\u2014laypeople\/pastors\u2014connecting with this resource; and it going and reaching areas, and countries, and streets, and neighborhoods. It really is awe-inspiring to see all God is doing and how He is using this resource. That\u2019s why we want to invest more into it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and this month is a significant month; because we\u2019ve had some friends of the ministry, who have come and said: \u201cWe want to help you guys expand. We want to see this happen on a broader scale.\u201d They have agreed, during the month of August, to match every donation we receive, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $500,000. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve been hearing from listeners; thank you to those of you who have gotten in touch with us. We still have a ways to go if we\u2019re going to take full advantage of the matching gift, so would you consider making a donation today? Go to FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014donate online\u2014or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. When you do, we\u2019ll say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending you a copy of Dennis and Barbara Rainey\u2019s book, <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em>, which is a great book for you if you\u2019re in the middle of raising your own kids; or if that season has passed, get a copy of the book and share it with somebody at church or maybe with one of your own kids, so that they can benefit from the book. 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Swanson talks about the importance of spiritually discipling sons. She encourages parents to be purposeful about incorporating God's Word into their children's daily lives.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2019-08-21.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>As a parent, you undoubtedly recognize that the virtues and values being promoted in our culture are often at odds with the virtues and values being promoted in Scripture. As a mom raising sons, that\u2019s something Monica Swanson has been very cognizant of.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>One of my key verses I always had on my mind is Ephesians 5:15; because, really, the theme is intentionality\u2014being intentional about the things you\u2019re talking about. It says, \u201cBe careful then how you live, not as unwise but as wise, because the days are evil.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the important thing there is to just realize that we are raising kids in an environment that is <em>not<\/em> for God. Whether they\u2019re in school; or in sports; or in my case, down at the beach, there\u2019s not going to be a whole lot of people cheering them on in their faith. We <em>must<\/em> be very careful, then, how we parent. Looking for those opportunities takes intentionality, and that\u2019s the only way we\u2019re going to do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, August 21<sup>st<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. How can we train our sons not to love the world or the things in the world, as the Bible tells us? We\u2019ll talk more about that today with Monica Swanson. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, there\u2019s a lot of conversation in the culture today about what has been labeled \u201ctoxic masculinity.\u201d I think what\u2019s happened is\u2014a lot of people have assumed that \u201ctoxic\u201d is the automatic modifier for the word, \u201cmasculinity\u201d; that if someone is masculine, then it must be toxic. Part of what we have to understand is that, by God\u2019s design, masculinity is not inherently toxic. As we raise our sons, we want to <em>affirm<\/em> the masculinity without affirming any of the toxic, sinful expressions of that masculinity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I think Jesus\u2019 example\u2014of what a real man is\u2014is pretty beautiful, because He was the ultimate servant leader. When those two are combined, I don\u2019t know how people can call that toxic if a man is loving, and leading, and serving the people that he\u2019s around and the people he loves.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I think it\u2019s true for both men and women. When we\u2019re living out our God-given design as a man\u2014and that doesn\u2019t mean overly-aggressive\u2014it does mean there\u2019s some aggression that\u2019s controlled in a beautiful, tempered way. Same for a woman; it\u2019s a beautiful thing. I think people <em>respond<\/em> to a man being a man and a woman being a woman. Yet, as we talk about today, it has a lot to do with developing boys into men. How do you do that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>As parents, we want to be careful that we\u2019re not imposing some kind of cultural gender bias with our kids; but we also want to acknowledge the reality of gender difference and that boys are different than girls. Rather than to try to erase that difference, let\u2019s figure out how to <em>embrace<\/em> that difference and how to affirm it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have Monica Swanson joining us this week. She is the author of a book called <em>Boy Mom: What Your Son Needs Most from You<\/em>. Monica, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Monica and her husband, Dr. Dave, live on the north shore of Oahu and have lived there for the last 18 years. He\u2019s a hospitalist; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You have four sons, so you\u2019ve been hard at work raising boys. One of the areas\u2014as we\u2019ve talked about the challenges of a mom raising boys\u2014one of the areas we haven\u2019t spent a lot of time with is helping disciple boys and spiritual formation of boys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDid you find that there was challenge in this area as you were raising the boys?\u2014 that there was resistance on their part to spiritual things, and to reading the Bible, and to going to church, and all of that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Yes; well, I appreciate that you mention my husband in the opening here; because really, I do like to always give credit where credit is due. My husband\u2019s been an <em>amazing<\/em> father and sets just a good and godly example to my boys. I write this book, <em>Boy Mom<\/em>, for moms out there. I realize there are a lot of single moms and a lot of moms, whose husbands maybe aren\u2019t doing their job so well in that area; but I like to just acknowledge that my husband\u2019s been an awesome father and really invests time into my sons\u2019 spiritual life and all areas of their life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI do think that a mom can do a lot, whether or not her husband\u2019s involved. I think a mom is such an important figure in shaping and forming her sons. Whether you have a man by your side or not, I think you can do a lot. Finding good male role models is a big key; so if your husband\u2019s not involved or a father\u2019s not in the picture, I say, \u201cGet out there and find some men, who are doing it well; and try to get them involved wherever you can.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs for my boys, we\u2014my husband and I\u2014just love the Lord and have been so blessed to walk with Him many years. When my boys were little, it was a very natural part of raising them\u2014is just teaching them, from the time they were little, the most basic Scriptures\u2014you know, my husband with my sons\u2014John 3:16 in bed at night, having them repeat after him, \u201cFor God so loved the world\u2026\u201d Some of their first memories were laying in bed with Dad, reciting Scripture verses before bed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs they grew up, they had questions, certainly. They\u2019d have questions; they\u2019d have doubts; they\u2019d have fears. They\u2019d start to think about things like death and \u201cWhat does that look like?\u201d and \u201cHow do I know that I can trust the Bible is real?\u201d When it comes to questions, the way we\u2019ve handled it is\u2014first of all, taking them to the Bible. We read them what God has to say about it; and then, as they get older, my husband really believes in teaching them to search for themselves and kind of wrestle with some of those things\/wrestle with their doubts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs he says: \u201cYou know, if it\u2019s truth, it\u2019s going to stand every test; so ask some hard questions. Yes; ask Mom and Dad\u201d; but he\u2019s also started directing them to go to their youth leaders\/people we trust outside of us, because I think kids need to know it\u2019s just not Mom and Dad. They have some good role models in their life that they can turn to, and meet with, and dig into God\u2019s Word, and ask the hard questions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I think modeling is probably <em>the<\/em> biggest thing we do, as parents. If your choice is between teaching and modeling, don\u2019t teach and not model; because that just undermines everything you\u2019re teaching\u2014that just says, \u201cHypocrisy on display here.\u201d If you could only do one, pick modeling; but the point is: \u201cYou can do both.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say, in our house, most of my spiritual training of our kids was\u2014it was more modeling than teaching. Mary Ann did more of the teaching of our kids, spiritually. She had more time; she was with them more than I was. This is something moms can do and can be intentional and purposeful; they just have to make it a priority.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. Incorporating into our days wherever we can\u2014not just church on Sundays; not just devotions for families that do that. Deuteronomy\u2019s Chapter 6 talks about: \u201cTalk about it as you walk along the street, when you get up, when you lie down,\u201d just trying to look for ways to incorporate your faith into your whole day. The best way to do that is to have the Lord on your mind all day long. If you\u2019re getting up, reading your Bible\/if you\u2019re spending time with the Lord, it\u2019s going to be a natural overflow into the things you\u2019re talking about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI find just really practical ways to talk about what God\u2019s doing in my life, and what I see around me can just be a very natural part of the day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I would add, you know\u2014as I watched Ann, and hearing you, Monica, talk about a mom\u2019s role in the spiritual development of your boys\u2014and daughters, but specifically boys\u2014you know, I even preached on it, celebrating Ann at mealtime, at drive-time, at bedtime; all these moments where I saw her <em>seize<\/em> moments to bring Jesus into the picture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I also want to say to the men listening: \u201cDon\u2019t abdicate that to your wife.\u201d I mean, it\u2019s real easy, as a husband and a dad, to watch a woman, sometimes better than us, teaching our kids and just become a bystander\/become passive. It\u2019s like, \u201cNo; we have to step in there and be a partner.\u201d It is the modeling\u2014they\u2019re going to look at Dad\u2014especially young boys\u2014to say: \u201cOkay; Mom tells me all this stuff. Is it real? Is Dad living this? Does Dad believe this?\u201d They need to hear that from us as well. We need to be <em>active<\/em>, teaching and living this out <em>beside<\/em> mom.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That really doesn\u2019t happen unless we\u2019re <em>saturated<\/em> with Jesus ourselves and it begins to pour out. It can be the driest time for moms and dads; because you\u2019re so busy with raising your kids, it\u2019s hard to get time in. It\u2019s not like you have an hour just to relax and spend in God\u2019s Word today. But that is when Deuteronomy 6 comes into play\u2014that we talk about Him when we walk along the way, when we\u2019re having breakfast, when we\u2019re having dinner, when we\u2019re going to bed. That became a theme for us, but it didn\u2019t happen unless it was <em>first<\/em> in me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I think that\u2019s key for moms\u2014to figure out how you can do that. I used to have my Bible in the car and at the table; so that I was telling stories, even to our boys, about, \u201cI talked to this woman about Jesus today.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>So they\u2019d see <em>me<\/em> doing it, like, \u201cOh, so this is for real.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>I totally agree. One of my key verses I always had on my mind, in writing the book and in all things parenting, is Ephesians 5:15; because really the theme is intentionality\u2014being intentional about the things you\u2019re talking about. It says, \u201cBe careful then how you live, not as unwise but as wise, because the days are evil.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the important thing there is to just realize that we are raising kids in an environment that is <em>not<\/em> for God. Whether they\u2019re in school; or in sports; or in my case, down at the beach, there\u2019s not going to be a whole lot of people cheering them on in their faith; so we <em>must<\/em> be very careful, then, how we parent. Looking for those opportunities takes intentionality, and that\u2019s the only way we\u2019re going to do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I clearly think Deuteronomy 6 gives us the paradigm for how we\u2019re to do this, as parents; but I\u2019m a little concerned that parents will read this and go: \u201cOkay; so I just do this kind of on-the-fly, when the Spirit moves me. I don\u2019t have to be purposeful and intentional; I just look for opportunities.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m concerned that we have kids, growing up, who can\u2019t recite the Lord\u2019s Prayer. Now, there\u2019s nothing magical about the Lord\u2019s Prayer; but when I was growing up, I memorized the Lord\u2019s Prayer, and I memorized some Scripture. In fact, with our kids, I decided, when they were little, that they needed to know the Apostles\u2019 Creed. Now, the Apostles\u2019 Creed\u2019s not Scripture\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Wow; you\u2019re going deep! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In our church\u2014see, we don\u2019t recite the Apostles\u2019 Creed in our church; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So I thought, \u201cMy kids need to know the Apostles\u2019 Creed!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>It\u2019s full of truth and doctrine.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It is full of truth, and it\u2019ll serve them for a long time. When my son, James, was\u2014I forget how old he was at this point; he was maybe six years old\u2014I said, \u201cI\u2019ll pay you five bucks if you memorize the Apostles\u2019 Creed.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Perfect.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Bribing is always good when it comes to spiritual. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And I want to show you\u2014I wish I could show you the video\u2014but I\u2019ll play for you the audio of when he earned his $5.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>I can\u2019t wait.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You ready for this? Here we go; go ahead.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Here it is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Audio Recording]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Here on May 11, 1995, to say the Apostles\u2019 Creed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>James: <\/strong>\u201cI believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried. Ascended into hell\u2014\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Descended.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>James: <\/strong>\u201c\u2014<em>descended<\/em> into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father; from thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Alright!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>How old was he, Bob?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That was May of \u201995; he was born in June of \u201988, so he was almost seven years old when he did that. He doesn\u2019t know what half of those words mean; right? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>\u201c\u2026sitteth\u201d\u2014that\u2019s good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes! We used the old original. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>I love it!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But, you know what? That foundation in him\/that intentionality\u2014those little assignments, along the way that we do, as parents, in the spiritual development and formation of our kids\u2014he can still do the Apostles\u2019 Creed today, even though he probably hasn\u2019t said it\u2014you know, he doesn\u2019t say it regularly; but it\u2019s buried in there. Such a fertile field in the lives of young children that we can be building spiritual truth in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>We don\u2019t set the bar high enough. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Our kids are capable of memorizing every song or video game\u2014what to do in the next step\u2014why wouldn\u2019t we take our time and be intentional about pouring into some real truth?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>You know, it\u2019s funny\u2014I get to watch it [video of James], and he\u2019s moving around like a little\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Oh, he\u2019s acting it out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He\u2019s being a little comic\/a little cut-up. At one point, I\u2019m going, \u201cDon\u2019t be silly with, \u2018He was crucified, dead, and buried.\u2019\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I saw that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>He went down to the floor, you know, \u201cdead and buried.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I have thought this: \u201cThere were times when we were trying to teach our little boys spiritual truths in the family room, and they\u2019d be up running and crawling. Sometimes, as a parent, you give up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u201cYou\u2019re like, \u2018Oh, they\u2019re not listening.\u2019\u201d It\u2019s like: \u201cNo, no, no! Don\u2019t give up! Keep going! They\u2019re boys; they\u2019re going to move around; they need to be moving. You can still teach. Maybe use the movement as a way to teach.\u201d I\u2019m guessing you did that and are still doing that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>We sure do, and we sure have. There are times that, yes, we have to basically strap down our youngest; because everyone else is into a good discussion, and the youngest is set on being a comedian; so he\u2019ll stand up in the middle of it, but they\u2019re getting something out of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Here\u2019s the thing about the intentional moments\/about the spontaneous moments\u2014we look at it and think, \u201cDid what I want to accomplish in that moment\u2014was it successful?\u201d I think what we lose sight of is the message we\u2019ve just sent: \u201cThinking about God is important,\u201d \u201cLooking to the Bible for answers is important,\u201d \u201cSpending time with God is important.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhatever else got missed in the specifics of that, the discipline of that sends the bigger message to our children: \u201cOh, Mom and Dad think this is really important. This is not just something that we show up on Sunday and then we forget about it the rest of the week.\u201d We\u2019re modeling for them what\u2019s important to us. Again, even if the specifics don\u2019t come across, the general principle: \u201cGod and His Word are driving the agenda for the day,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what\u2019s important.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Just recently, I heard somebody ask my son\/my oldest son about his spiritual formation. Of course, I was thrilled to hear when he said: \u201cMore than anything else, it was seeing what my parents did and seeing where they found truth. When they had a question, they opened their Bible. They didn\u2019t look to culture; they went straight to the Word of God.\u201d You do wonder, when you\u2019re in the middle of it, what they\u2019re picking up. When you can hear them say that\u2019s what they picked up, more than anything else, then something good is happening.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne thing I talk about with friends, all the time, is just the Book of Proverbs and how that\u2019s been <em>so<\/em> helpful in raising boys. We all need wisdom. A boy\u2019s life\u2014I think the Book of Proverbs in the Bible is just so full of truths that are so practical and so applicable to everything going on today. It\u2019s just a handy book to turn to every day of the month, since there are 31 chapters. Something we ask our boys to do as part of their devotions: \u201cDo whatever you want\/read whatever you want,\u201d\u2014some of them are going through studies with their youth group\u2014but I say, \u201cJust read a chapter of Proverbs.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen my husband and I try to keep up on it as well; so around the dinner table or when things come up, we can say, \u201cOh, did you notice how the Proverbs we read today\u2026\u201d It kind of keeps them accountable. There are so many simple, profound truths in Proverbs that I think it\u2019s one of the best books for shaping a boy\u2019s heart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>With the Proverbs assignment that a lot of families will do\u2014here\u2019s what frustrated me\u2014Proverbs jumps from subject to subject to subject\u2014it\u2019s kind of like, \u201cWhat\u2019s the big idea?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So say to the kids, \u201cRead the chapter, and look for the one\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>\u2014one; that\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cwhat\u2019s the one verse for you today that you want to highlight?\u2014or that you want to think about?\u2014that you want to meditate on today? At dinner tonight, we\u2019ll each come up with what was our proverb of the day.\u201d Maybe, you don\u2019t do that every night\u2014again, kids kind of get, \u201cI\u2019m bored with this assignment,\u201d\u2014but you can throw that thing out and just make it a part of the warp and woof of your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That\u2019s what I was going to mention: \u201cHow do you get kids to do that if they don\u2019t want to?\u201d\u2014like, \u201cThis is dumb; I don\u2019t want to do this.\u201d How have you motivated your kids to read Proverbs or to be in the Word?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Interestingly, somehow, without being too hard and fast with rules, we\u2019ve just kind of made it what you do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>It\u2019s a rhythm of your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know; it\u2019s a rhythm of our life. I don\u2019t know if we got real lucky, but we haven\u2019t had anybody protest it. I think my youngest, right now, is the one I still have to do devotions <em>with<\/em>. If he\u2019s going to do it, it\u2019s going to require me pulling him into my lap and saying, \u201cLet\u2019s read your devotional.\u201d But we just say: \u201cThat\u2019s what you do. It\u2019s just part of what we do, as a family.\u201d We all\u2014my husband and I\u2014we get up; we read our Bible\u2014it\u2019s just what you <em>do<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it helps to start young; but if you don\u2019t, then you can still set that as a part of their day and just make it a simple requirement: \u201cI\u2019m not asking you to spend an hour-and-a-half. We\u2019re just saying, \u2018Find a chapter of the Bible and read it.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Let me ask you if you\u2019ve had a dinner conversation about this proverb. This gets us into another area, and you mentioned this as one of the 12 areas to talk about with you son. Tell me if you know where this comes from\u2014Proverbs; I won\u2019t tell you where\u2014but it says: \u201cFor the lips of a forbidden woman drip honey and her speech is smoother than oil; but in the end she is bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword. Her feet go down the path, her steps follow the path to Sheol. She does not ponder the path of life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>But it does bring into the whole area for a young man\u2014and all men\u2014of sexual temptation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I had a single mom, so I had no dad there to talk to me about that. I actually could watch his model, and it wasn\u2019t a good one with women. So I have a single mom, trying\u2014as I\u2019m 13, 14, 16, 18\u2014talking to me. Talk about that\u2014as a mom, stepping into those areas with a young son.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Not only is my husband a great man, he\u2019s also a medical doctor; but I will say, \u201cI\u2019m the one who has most of the talks with my sons about those things.\u201d I encourage moms: \u201cIt doesn\u2019t have to be the father. There\u2019s no right way to do it. Whoever\u2019s most comfortable talking about this stuff, talk about it.\u201d My husband does get involved in the conversation, but I am usually the one to bring it up. We do talk about that from the time that they can understand things\u2014we talk about purity. Proverbs is a <em>great<\/em> place to start.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA couple of the verses I have my boys memorize come from Psalm 119; verse 9 says: \u201cHow can a young man keep his way pure? By living according to Your word.\u201d Verse 11 says, \u201cI have hidden Your word in my heart, that I might not sin against You.\u201d Those, to me, have been just two verses that, from a very young age, I said: \u201cYou need to know these; because there\u2019s only one way to stay pure, and that\u2019s by having God\u2019s Word hidden in your heart. That\u2019s <em>why<\/em> we go over these. There\u2019s a reason behind what we do. You have to know the Word of God, or else you\u2019re going to be double-challenged.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Here\u2019s how this gets expressed in the Boy Mom Manifesto, which is at the back of your book, <em>Boy Mom: What Your Son Needs Most from You<\/em>. You say, \u201cAs a boy mom, I\u2019m committed to investing in my son daily. I will lead my son into relationship with God through guidance and personal example; I\u2019ll pray for my son daily; and I\u2019ll do whatever I can to help him mature a vibrant, spiritual life.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you fail at a lot, and you succeed at that, that covers a multitude of other issues in your son\u2019s life; because it brings him back to what is the source, what is the anchor, and what\u2019s going to really matter. I think your book, your blog, and this conversation that we\u2019ve been having this week for boy moms is <em>really<\/em> significant. I think this is going to help a lot of moms, who are raising boys. Monica, we\u2019re grateful for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Monica: <\/strong>Thank you so much!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Thanks for being here and for talking about this, and thanks for writing the book. We have copies of Monica\u2019s book, <em>Boy Mom: What Your Son Needs Most from You<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order the book from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; the number to call is 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThinking about what Monica shared with us today, I\u2019m just aware, again, of how important it is for us, as parents, to be intentional, to be purposeful, to get out of the day-to-day mindset and think big picture\/think long-term. David Robbins, who\u2019s the President of FamilyLife, is here with us today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid, we\u2019re doing all we know how to do to try help moms and dads, all around the world, adapt an intentionality mindset with their parenting. The <em>Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series that came out last year is now starting to expand in Central America\/Latin America. We\u2019re hoping to take it into East Asia and into Arabic-speaking countries, but we\u2019re working on raising the money for translations. This is something we think can be revolutionary for families and for cultures.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>Parenting is such a universal language. We\u2019re <em>sitting<\/em> on this resource that we knew God was making something special as we created it, but we are seeing it truly reach hundreds of thousands of people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know personally, for me, living in a secular place like New York before I came to FamilyLife, not everyone would come to church with us; but they would sit around our kitchen tables or in our living rooms, and they would talk about the challenges of parenting. There was something sacred with it\u2014there\u2019s something around legacy\u2014and there\u2019s something in this want to of: \u201cI need help.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are helping people, radically, reorient their lives around a gospel-driven, biblical viewpoint on what parenting is and how the role of a mom and a dad in their kids\u2019 lives and how they shape them. You know, in Latin America, one of the things that has been so encouraging for me is watching FamilyLife staff and volunteers train pastors and lay leaders in churches all over Latin America, where the <em>Like Arrows<\/em> movie is shown to full audiences. At the end of it, there\u2019s a team of people, going, \u201cWe are starting these <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> groups.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou really do see the power of a mobilized force of people\u2014laypeople\/pastors\u2014connecting with this resource; and it going and reaching areas, and countries, and streets, and neighborhoods. It really is awe-inspiring to see all God is doing and how He is using this resource. That\u2019s why we want to invest more into it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and this month is a significant month; because we\u2019ve had some friends of the ministry, who have come and said: \u201cWe want to help you guys expand. We want to see this happen on a broader scale.\u201d They have agreed, during the month of August, to match every donation we receive, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $500,000. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve been hearing from listeners; thank you to those of you who have gotten in touch with us. We still have a ways to go if we\u2019re going to take full advantage of the matching gift, so would you consider making a donation today? Go to FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014donate online\u2014or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. When you do, we\u2019ll say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending you a copy of Dennis and Barbara Rainey\u2019s book, <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em>, which is a great book for you if you\u2019re in the middle of raising your own kids; or if that season has passed, get a copy of the book and share it with somebody at church or maybe with one of your own kids, so that they can benefit from the book. Again, donate online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Help us take advantage of this unique matching-gift opportunity. We appreciate you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you can join us back tomorrow when we want to talk about the challenges that seem to be almost daily for a mom who is a stepmom. Ron Deal\u2019s going to talk with Melanie Anthony tomorrow about where a stepmom finds her strength. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. 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