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There\u2019s a sense in which we need to learn to give up so we can never give up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, August 14<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. Sometimes, in order to hang in there, we have to give up. We\u2019ll talk more about that today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. In our conversation this week, we\u2019ve learned what Dave Wilson\u2019s next sermon series is going to be at his church; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Anxiety! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Because, as we\u2019ve been talking about persevering in the face of trials and tribulation, this is one of the reasons why we struggle with perseverance\u2014is because we feel anxious about the world we live in\/the issues we\u2019re dealing with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKyle Idleman is joining us, again, this week on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Welcome back, Kyle.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Thank you, guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Kyle has written a book called <em>Don\u2019t Give Up: Faith That Gives You the Confidence to Keep Believing and the Courage to Keep Going.<\/em> I know this series, as you preached it, resonated with folks at your church; but you told me, as you preached this, it turned into a marriage and family series.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes; I went through this series\u2014going through Hebrews 11 and 12\u2014and then really felt like it needs to be applied, specifically, to some situations and to some relationships; so I did a series on \u201cDon\u2019t Give Up on Your Marriage\u201d \u201cDon\u2019t Give Up on Your Family.\u201d\u00a0 One of the things that triggered that was a conversation I had with a couple that was doing some pseudo-marriage counseling\u2014I don\u2019t think it would technically qualify as counseling\u2014but I was listening and giving my thoughts. As I was talking to the two of them, the husband was pretty defensive. He made a comment, more in passing, about, \u201cI\u2019d take a bullet for her,\u201d and she kind of came back and said, \u201cI\u2019m just asking you to come to church with me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I was listening to it, I thought: \u201cMan, that is\u2014I bet there are a lot of husbands, who would say: \u2018I\u2019d step in front of a bullet for my wife. I would give my life for her.\u2019 Okay; well, I\u2019m just asking you to pray with her. I\u2019m just asking you to make an occasional date night a priority\u201d; right? What I saw was a tendency for us to put a <em>huge<\/em> emphasis on this grand gesture; oftentimes, perseverance requires the little things. It\u2019s the cumulative effect of the daily disciplines, of the daily commitments, of the daily prayers in marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, the Bible says, in Galatians 6:9: \u201cLet\u2019s not grow weary in doing good, for at the right time we\u2019ll reap the harvest if we don\u2019t give up.\u201d In our marriage and with our kids, that\u2019s so much of it: \u201cDon\u2019t grow weary in doing good, and in due time\u2026\u201d I don\u2019t know when due time is. [Laughter] I wish there was a date, where it would say, \u201cWhen they turn this age, you will reap a harvest if you don\u2019t give up.\u201d It just says, \u201cin due time.\u201d It\u2019s not today; but in due time, you will reap a harvest. It requires a commitment to the little things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Faithfulness in those small things. Like you, I\u2019ve talked to husbands, who\u2019d say, \u201cI\u2019d die for my wife\u201d; and I go, \u201cWill you <em>live<\/em> for your wife?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Every wife is resonating, right now, with this; because she\u2019s thinking: \u201cJust be <em>in<\/em> the every day with me. Help me in the every day. I love that you would do this grand gesture for me, but I need you today and tomorrow in the <em>little<\/em> things.\u201d That really communicates love, and it helps us along the way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; I think what happens to husbands\u2014I\u2019ve done this, and it\u2019s what your book\u2019s all about\u2014because you\u2019re talking about running the race. You start running, as a husband, and then it gets difficult: \u201cOkay; I\u2019ll pray with you,\u201d and you one day or maybe two days, and then, it\u2019s just <em>hard<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Why? Why is it hard?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I mean, one is just the habit of building a new habit into their life; but there\u2019s\u2014and you talk about it in your book\u2014there are obstacles. The race is marked out, but we don\u2019t know what it\u2019s going to look like. Talk about that, because it really is\u2014the little things are: \u201cJust take another step\u201d; \u201cTake another step\u201d; and yet, something pops up and we just sort of quit; right? How do we keep running?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>I mean, consistency is my struggle as a husband and as a father. I will do really well for a little while, and then I\u2019ll have a different challenge over here. I think: \u201cOh, I have it going over here. I have a solid four days as a husband and father!\u201d [Laughter] So I give my attention to something else and kind of turn away from this race that God has called me to run. I just kind of step off the track\/get distracted by something else.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That is totally you, Dave, too. Oh, sorry! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That\u2019s everybody, honey. She just called me out. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That is true. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know what? I do think there is something about men or about husbands, where we are inclined toward grand gestures. Part of the reason\u2014and you resonate with this, as a wife and mom, too\u2014the grand gestures get noticed, get affirmed, get appreciated\u2014somebody says, \u201cThat was really special.\u201d The day to day\u2014the reading the stories with the kids at night, or helping with the bath, or doing\u2014nobody goes, \u201cHey, that was really special.\u201d But it\u2019s showing up in those that is the perseverance\u2014it\u2019s the stuff of faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes; I think this is where the race metaphor helps us\u2014in that it is the one step at a time, and focusing on taking another step and another step. I\u2019ve heard it described as, you know: \u201cIt\u2019s the things that are easy to do and the things that are easy <em>not<\/em> to do that makes the difference.\u201d I think that\u2019s really true. There are certain things, especially at home with the family\u2014anybody can do them\u2014it\u2019s not that they\u2019re hard to do, but it\u2019s easy <em>not<\/em> to do them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat, oftentimes, is what makes the difference; so you take the next step. It doesn\u2019t seem like that big of a deal\u2014but then you take the next one, and the next one, and the next one\u2014and that\u2019s where the promise of a harvest comes from.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>You talk about obstacles. What are some of the obstacles, that you\u2019ve seen, of running the race?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>You know, I talk in the book about the obstacle of indifference, which is an obstacle that\u2019s really dangerous; because you don\u2019t care. That is the apathy of: \u201cI\u2019m not running, and I don\u2019t really care.\u201d I think that\u2019s a really difficult obstacle to overcome. I also know the obstacle of indifference, oftentimes, requires a very difficult situation in order to get our attention so we\u2019ll get on the track and start running again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things I would say to your listeners is: \u201cIf that\u2019s where they\u2019re at\u2014if they\u2019re going through something that makes them feel like they just can\u2019t finish, it could also be the prompt that they\u2019re needing to actually get back in the race\/to start running again. How you <em>receive<\/em> that desperate moment: \u2018Is it going to cause me to just quit altogether, or is this going to be a wakeup call for me?\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIndifference or spiritual apathy\u2014you know, the early church fathers included as one of the seven deadly sins\u2014the sin of sloth, which doesn\u2019t sound very deadly. It sounds like laying in the bathtub, you know, long\u2014 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014recliner; that\u2019s what La-Z-Boys<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> are built for!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Right; it doesn\u2019t sound that deadly. [Laughter] But it\u2019s one of the most deadly of all sins, because you shrug your shoulders at the very things you should be fighting for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>What would you do with a teenager that you feel is right there? As a parent, what would your steps be toward them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Well, you know, what I would <em>do<\/em> is not the right thing to do. [Laughter] I know what I would do\u2014I\u2019d try to light a fire under him! [Laughter] I\u2019ve gone down that path many times. But, you know, in seriousness, I think what I\u2019ve learned with my teenagers is that, if I can be a little bit vulnerable with that struggle in my own life, it can go a long way. Whether it\u2019s connecting it to when I was their age or even more recently, that helps; but pushing them to get back in the race and <em>making<\/em> them take the next steps and run is often an exercise in futility.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, Ann brings up something that a lot of parents are struggling with, which is teenagers or young adults, who have basically decided to drop out of the race\/the spiritual race.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>They\u2019ve become very apathetic in their faith and don\u2019t really care.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I was talking to a young man, who went to Bible college, and was, at one point, thinking about ministry\/maybe missions is what he wanted to do. Today, he said: \u201cYes; I don\u2019t know that I\u2019m an atheist or an agnostic; I\u2019m just apathetic. I really don\u2019t care about this stuff.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI looked at him and said: \u201cYou know, we\u2019re talking about the big issues of life. We\u2019re talking about\u2014not about who\u2019s going to win the game or this year\u2019s election\u2014we\u2019re talking about: \u2018Where did I come from?\u2019 \u2018Why am I here?\u2019 \u2018What happens when I die?\u2019 These are the big issues of life, and you\u2019re going, \u2018Yes; I\u2019d just rather play some video games\u2019?\u201d He was like, \u201cIt\u2019s easier to not think about that stuff.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there are a lot of people, who\u2019ve just said: \u201cI was not finding joy; I was not finding peace; I was not finding contentment in trying to do the religious stuff that I was doing; so I just checked out and said: \u2018Okay; it\u2019s not there. I\u2019m going to just play some video games.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIs there a thing a parent can do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>My wife is a <em>huge<\/em> fan of natural consequences. She just believes, you know: \u201cDon\u2019t rescue them from this,\u201d \u201cDon\u2019t save them.\u201d If they\u2019re going to stay up, and they\u2019re going to play video games all night, then we\u2019re not going to wake them up in the morning; and we\u2019re not going\u2014you know, if they\u2019re not going to have the job, then when they need gas money\/if they run out of gas, then they\u2019ll have to figure that out. You know, I think there\u2019s a lot of wisdom in that. I mean, if she heard me saying this\u2014 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>She will!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>She will; yes\u2014because my tendency is to <em>rescue<\/em>. In my mind, I\u2019m thinking: \u201cOkay; here\u2019s an opportunity to express my love and \u2018I\u2019m there for you,\u2019\u201d and to come into a situation that was created by their indifference and apathy and to save the day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, if she was sitting here, I might not admit that she\u2019s right; [Laughter] but I do know that our apathy, in any area of life, will eventually create an unsustainable situation. When we reach that point, it\u2019s an opportunity for God to get our attention and to draw us back into what He\u2019s called us to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, the 16-year-old\u2014who says: \u201cDo I have to go to church? I don\u2019t want to go to church,\u201d\u2014as a parent, do you say\u2014do you make him?\u2014or do you say, \u201cOkay; I\u2019m just going to let whatever natural consequences come from not going to church be a part of what you deal with\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes; so, you know, it\u2019s interesting\u2014before I had teenagers, I would have said: \u201cWell, yes you <em>make<\/em> them! [Laughter] You make them go.\u201d What I have discovered with my kids\u2014and I don\u2019t know that this; I haven\u2019t done the study or the research on it\u2014but they know that that\u2019s the expectation. If they don\u2019t go to church on the weekend, then there are other things they\u2019re not going to get to do during the week; but I\u2019m not going to fight them. I\u2019m not going to say, \u201cNo; you are going to go.\u201d I don\u2019t want them to connect church and faith to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014obligation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes; to obligation and to dad saying, \u201cI don\u2019t care\u2026\u201d So, trying to understand where that\u2019s coming from\/why they would feel that way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you see a teenager wandering down the path, and they\u2019re headed toward the far country, and you go, \u201cBoy, if they get too far down that path, that\u2019s a long walk back; and there\u2019s danger out there.\u201d As a parent, you\u2019re saying, \u201cSometimes, you just have to let them wander and find out what\u2019s out there\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>You know, one of the things I had tried to do with my kids is strategically place other people in that path. It may be pretty difficult for me to get out in front of them and say, \u201cHey, don\u2019t go down this path\u201d; <em>but<\/em> I know people in their life, and I know other kids their age, and I\u2019ll manipulate the situation\u2014 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>It\u2019s okay to do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>\u2014so that someone other that just my wife or I are the ones giving that message; because I don\u2019t know that\u2014I think that, oftentimes, that can backfire.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>With our adult kids, now, they\u2019ll come back and say, \u201cI wish you would have\u2026\u201d which is always very humbling, to be the parents of those adult kids now. But one of the things that one of our sons said: \u201cI wish you would have asked me the <em>whys<\/em> behind what I was doing. I wish you would have gone deeper into my heart if I didn\u2019t want to go to youth group.\u201d I think we did ask, but I didn\u2019t spend enough time of getting into \u201cWhat\u2019s going on that makes you <em>not<\/em> want to go?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think teenagers are <em>really<\/em> good at having those discussions if we\u2019re very open, and humble, and want to hear their heart. I think that\u2019s one of those things, as parents\u2014if our kids are going off into that path\u2014to really sit down and say: \u201cWhat\u2019s going on? Tell me what\u2019s going on in your heart. What\u2019s happened? Is there anything I can do to help you?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>One of my four kids really doesn\u2019t like being a pastor\u2019s kid very much. A couple of weeks ago, I was trying to get her out the door to go to church on a Sunday night. She didn\u2019t want to go; we were kind of going back and forth on it. She said, \u201cI just don\u2019t like\u201d\u2014and she didn\u2019t say it with an attitude\u2014she just said, \u201cI just don\u2019t like going with <em>you<\/em> to church.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe went, and she went with us that night. I paid attention to all the different people that stopped and kind of noticed her reaction when people were asking her questions. She didn\u2019t want to be in the spotlight. It wasn\u2019t a rebellious attitude; it was anxiety. She was feeling anxious over it. Understanding the <em>why<\/em> behind it\u2014it wasn\u2019t what I thought it was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Talk about applying this to parenting\/applying this to marriage\u2014this \u201cDon\u2019t give up\u201d attitude. As a parent, or even as just a friend, to somebody\u2014when are those times when they <em>should<\/em> quit?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I\u2019m thinking, \u201cIf I went on <em>American Idol<\/em> and auditioned right now, I would be 30 seconds and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cGive up,\u201d \u201cGive up.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; I mean, but if I\u2014and so many do; we laugh at it when they do that\u2014but you\u2019re sitting there, going, \u201cDude, quit!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Every time, Dave\u2019s thinking, \u201cWhy didn\u2019t the parents <em>tell<\/em> them they were not good?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That\u2019s why I\u2019m asking the question, because the parents are encouraging it; and everybody else knows: \u201cNo, no; this is one of those things you should quit. You have another gift,\u201d or something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cThe violin is not your instrument, sweetheart\u201d; right? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>So talk about, when the obstacles come up in the race, and it\u2019s like that obstacle is really a sign to say, \u201cYou have something else going, but you should quit this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes; and I think that\u2019s the way you do it\u2014right?\u2014is by you turning their attention to who God has made them to be, helping draw out the gifts that God has given them, and to say gently, \u201cWhat about this over here instead of <em>American Idol<\/em>?\u201d Yes; I do think that\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, one of the challenges with \u201cDon\u2019t give up\u201d is that one of the most important spiritual realizations for anyone is surrender\u2014it <em>is<\/em> giving up: it\u2019s giving up my right; it\u2019s giving up my desires; it\u2019s giving up my plans for the future\u2014it\u2019s surrendering all those things to God. There\u2019s a sense in which we need to learn to give up so we can <em>never<\/em> give up\u2014that it\u2019s only in surrendering those things and, as Jesus talks about, dying to ourselves, that we can find life and we can find strength.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, sometimes, surrender is the right message. Sometimes, giving up is the message we need to hear; because it\u2019s in giving up that we can discover a strength that\u2019s greater than our own.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You referenced Galatians 6:9, \u201cDon\u2019t be weary in well-doing; in due time you will reap what you sow.\u201d You thought, \u201cI wish I knew when \u2018due time\u2019 was.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou got a phone call from somebody, who was not a member of your church, but who had seen you on TV; and he wanted to talk to you. You, actually, connected with this guy; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes; this is a guy who had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and knew he didn\u2019t have much time left. I went to his house to visit with him. One of the things I do on a call like that is\u2014I don\u2019t bring a Bible with me. I\u2019ll ask for their Bible; because you find out, pretty quickly, who you\u2019re talking to. I said, \u201cDo you all have a Bible?\u201d At first, he said, \u201cNo, no; there\u2019s no Bible in the house.\u201d Then they remembered they did have one. They went over, and they pulled out a Bible that was three feet by three feet. [Laughter] I mean, it was\u2014it was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A door-to-door salesman had gotten them on that one; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>It was so big; it was this big white Bible, with gold lettering and King James version. I opened it up to Romans 8 to talk to them about the love of God, and getting right with God, and what that looks like. You know, he had come to a place in his life where he had worked really hard at getting a lot of things right, because he knew he didn\u2019t have much time left. He got some things right with his ex-; he got some things right with his kids; all his finances were in order. But this was the last thing\u2014he had been putting this off.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of my takeaways from my time with him was: \u201cEven if you\u2019re just now starting, God meets you right where you are.\u201d Some people give up because it feels like it\u2019s too late: \u201cI\u2019ve gone too far down this path. I\u2019ve made too much of a mess of things.\u201d Just talking to him about the gospel, and the nature of God, and what Jesus does for us, it\u2019s <em>never<\/em> too late to get back in the race. Even if you have stepped off the track; even if you\u2019ve given up, spiritually, in some ways\u2014you may have given up on God\u2014but God hasn\u2019t given up on you. He is still faithful; and when we reach out to Him, He is there for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, the person who\u2019s listening, who has felt that way, \u201cI\u2019m too far from God\u2019s grace,\u201d they\u2019ve given up on God because life has been a mess\u2014would you pray for them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJesus, I just thank You for not giving up on us. I think of <em>all<\/em> the ways that You could have given up. When they pressed the thorns into Your brow, You could have said: \u201cThat\u2019s enough. I\u2019m done.\u201d When You were spit upon and beaten, You could have, just with a nod of Your head, paralyzed every soldier in the room. You could have said one word and called the angels of heaven to Your defense, but You didn\u2019t do that. You didn\u2019t give up; You were nailed to the cross. You persevered, because You wanted us to know how much You loved us, You wanted to forever establish our value to You, God, by giving us Your only Son, Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I pray, God, that You would help the person who\u2019s listening to this right now to do exactly what Hebrews 12 says\u2014to fix their eyes on You\u2014that, Jesus, they would <em>know<\/em> that You did not give up on them and that You have <em>not<\/em> given up on them and that they would pray a very simple prayer; and that prayer would just be, \u201cI need help.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod, I believe that that\u2019s what You will respond to\u2014it\u2019s when we humble ourselves and just ask for help. God, I have been there, as a husband and father. I\u2019m <em>embarrassed<\/em> when I think about how long it took me to get on my knees and just say to You: \u201cGod, I need help as a husband. I don\u2019t know what I\u2019m doing, and I\u2019ve made a mess of some things. I need help.\u201d And as a father, how hard it was for me. I\u2019d read all kinds of books on parenting; but it was hard for me to just get on my knees with my wife and say, \u201cGod, I need help.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLord, I believe that\u2019s where You meet us\u2014is when we recognize that we can\u2019t go any further on our own. I pray that You would help us humble ourselves and cry out to You for help, and that we would receive Your strength and, God, that You would give us faith and confidence that\u2014no matter where we\u2019re at or what the situation is\u2014that You are the great Redeemer and Healer. You can work things for good. It\u2019s in Jesus\u2019 name we pray; amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob and Ann: <\/strong>Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Kyle, thanks. Thanks for encouraging all of us to persevere and to not give up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I just hear your wife\u2019s voice in my ear, going: \u201cKeep going! You can do it!\u201d\u2014right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>She never stops. [Laughter] And that\u2019s a good thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>That is a good thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That is a very good thing. Thank God for her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We have copies of Kyle Idleman\u2019s book, <em>Don\u2019t Give Up: Faith That Gives You the Confidence to Keep Believing and the Courage to Keep Going<\/em>. You can order it from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get your copy. Again, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329 to get a copy of the book, <em>Don\u2019t Give Up<\/em>\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, we\u2019ve been talking this week about perseverance\/about not giving up with Kyle Idleman. David Robbins, the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, is here with us today. We all need to hear a message like this somewhat regularly; don\u2019t you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>Yes; this was <em>such<\/em> a good conversation for our culture; but also, just for <em>me<\/em> and each one of us. You know, when I think about virtues lacking in our culture, faithfulness would have to be pretty top-of-the-list as one of those that is lacking today. One of the reasons I think faithfulness is lacking is because we\u2019re so enticed by the next thing\u2014something new\u2014whatever\u2019s being pushed to us by consumerism or to make us feel comfortable.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen faithfulness is <em>lacking<\/em> in a culture, <em>everyone<\/em> suffers: marriages suffer, families suffer, our own souls suffer. I feel this often\u2014the temptation to find life in something else. I think all of us do. I needed, today, what Kyle is talking about\u2014a commitment to persevere, to be faithful, to do the things that we commit to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, Galatians 6 really comes to my mind as I say that: \u201cDon\u2019t grow weary in doing good, because in due time you will reap, if you don\u2019t give up.\u201d The passage goes on to say: \u201cSo then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, especially to those in the household of faith.\u201d My action, after listening today, is to not give up\/to be faithful and to even pursue doing good to the covenant relationships in my life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; that\u2019s good. Thank you, David.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, I know a lot of our listeners have gotten an email or a letter from you this month, talking about the matching-gift campaign that\u2019s going on, where donations are being matched, dollar for dollar, as we\u2019re raising money for translation of <em>Like Arrows<\/em> and the<em> Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> into new languages\u2014Mandarin, Arabic\u2014other outreaches that we\u2019re fully-engaged in. I hope listeners will take the time to read the emails and the letters that you sent, and I hope they\u2019ll respond and help us take the ministry of FamilyLife to more moms and dads and husbands and wives all around the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you want to help with a donation today, it\u2019s easy to do. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014donate online\u2014or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. Keep in mind, your donation, right now, is matched, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $500,000. 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Idleman talks about applying Hebrews to our relationships, especially marriage. Idleman lists some of the obstacles, like indifference, that can tank a relationship.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2019-08-14.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It is important for us, as followers of Christ, to persevere, to dig in, to not quit\/not give up; and yet, as Kyle Idleman points out, there are some things, where giving up is the exact <em>right<\/em> answer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>The most important spiritual realization for anyone is surrender\u2014it <em>is<\/em> giving up: it\u2019s giving up my rights; it\u2019s giving up my desires; it\u2019s giving up my plans for the future\u2014it\u2019s surrendering all those things to God. There\u2019s a sense in which we need to learn to give up so we can never give up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, August 14<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. Sometimes, in order to hang in there, we have to give up. We\u2019ll talk more about that today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. In our conversation this week, we\u2019ve learned what Dave Wilson\u2019s next sermon series is going to be at his church; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Anxiety! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Because, as we\u2019ve been talking about persevering in the face of trials and tribulation, this is one of the reasons why we struggle with perseverance\u2014is because we feel anxious about the world we live in\/the issues we\u2019re dealing with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKyle Idleman is joining us, again, this week on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Welcome back, Kyle.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Thank you, guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Kyle has written a book called <em>Don\u2019t Give Up: Faith That Gives You the Confidence to Keep Believing and the Courage to Keep Going.<\/em> I know this series, as you preached it, resonated with folks at your church; but you told me, as you preached this, it turned into a marriage and family series.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes; I went through this series\u2014going through Hebrews 11 and 12\u2014and then really felt like it needs to be applied, specifically, to some situations and to some relationships; so I did a series on \u201cDon\u2019t Give Up on Your Marriage\u201d \u201cDon\u2019t Give Up on Your Family.\u201d\u00a0 One of the things that triggered that was a conversation I had with a couple that was doing some pseudo-marriage counseling\u2014I don\u2019t think it would technically qualify as counseling\u2014but I was listening and giving my thoughts. As I was talking to the two of them, the husband was pretty defensive. He made a comment, more in passing, about, \u201cI\u2019d take a bullet for her,\u201d and she kind of came back and said, \u201cI\u2019m just asking you to come to church with me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I was listening to it, I thought: \u201cMan, that is\u2014I bet there are a lot of husbands, who would say: \u2018I\u2019d step in front of a bullet for my wife. I would give my life for her.\u2019 Okay; well, I\u2019m just asking you to pray with her. I\u2019m just asking you to make an occasional date night a priority\u201d; right? What I saw was a tendency for us to put a <em>huge<\/em> emphasis on this grand gesture; oftentimes, perseverance requires the little things. It\u2019s the cumulative effect of the daily disciplines, of the daily commitments, of the daily prayers in marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, the Bible says, in Galatians 6:9: \u201cLet\u2019s not grow weary in doing good, for at the right time we\u2019ll reap the harvest if we don\u2019t give up.\u201d In our marriage and with our kids, that\u2019s so much of it: \u201cDon\u2019t grow weary in doing good, and in due time\u2026\u201d I don\u2019t know when due time is. [Laughter] I wish there was a date, where it would say, \u201cWhen they turn this age, you will reap a harvest if you don\u2019t give up.\u201d It just says, \u201cin due time.\u201d It\u2019s not today; but in due time, you will reap a harvest. It requires a commitment to the little things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Faithfulness in those small things. Like you, I\u2019ve talked to husbands, who\u2019d say, \u201cI\u2019d die for my wife\u201d; and I go, \u201cWill you <em>live<\/em> for your wife?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Every wife is resonating, right now, with this; because she\u2019s thinking: \u201cJust be <em>in<\/em> the every day with me. Help me in the every day. I love that you would do this grand gesture for me, but I need you today and tomorrow in the <em>little<\/em> things.\u201d That really communicates love, and it helps us along the way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; I think what happens to husbands\u2014I\u2019ve done this, and it\u2019s what your book\u2019s all about\u2014because you\u2019re talking about running the race. You start running, as a husband, and then it gets difficult: \u201cOkay; I\u2019ll pray with you,\u201d and you one day or maybe two days, and then, it\u2019s just <em>hard<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Why? Why is it hard?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>I mean, one is just the habit of building a new habit into their life; but there\u2019s\u2014and you talk about it in your book\u2014there are obstacles. The race is marked out, but we don\u2019t know what it\u2019s going to look like. Talk about that, because it really is\u2014the little things are: \u201cJust take another step\u201d; \u201cTake another step\u201d; and yet, something pops up and we just sort of quit; right? How do we keep running?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>I mean, consistency is my struggle as a husband and as a father. I will do really well for a little while, and then I\u2019ll have a different challenge over here. I think: \u201cOh, I have it going over here. I have a solid four days as a husband and father!\u201d [Laughter] So I give my attention to something else and kind of turn away from this race that God has called me to run. I just kind of step off the track\/get distracted by something else.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That is totally you, Dave, too. Oh, sorry! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That\u2019s everybody, honey. She just called me out. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That is true. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know what? I do think there is something about men or about husbands, where we are inclined toward grand gestures. Part of the reason\u2014and you resonate with this, as a wife and mom, too\u2014the grand gestures get noticed, get affirmed, get appreciated\u2014somebody says, \u201cThat was really special.\u201d The day to day\u2014the reading the stories with the kids at night, or helping with the bath, or doing\u2014nobody goes, \u201cHey, that was really special.\u201d But it\u2019s showing up in those that is the perseverance\u2014it\u2019s the stuff of faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes; I think this is where the race metaphor helps us\u2014in that it is the one step at a time, and focusing on taking another step and another step. I\u2019ve heard it described as, you know: \u201cIt\u2019s the things that are easy to do and the things that are easy <em>not<\/em> to do that makes the difference.\u201d I think that\u2019s really true. There are certain things, especially at home with the family\u2014anybody can do them\u2014it\u2019s not that they\u2019re hard to do, but it\u2019s easy <em>not<\/em> to do them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat, oftentimes, is what makes the difference; so you take the next step. It doesn\u2019t seem like that big of a deal\u2014but then you take the next one, and the next one, and the next one\u2014and that\u2019s where the promise of a harvest comes from.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>You talk about obstacles. What are some of the obstacles, that you\u2019ve seen, of running the race?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>You know, I talk in the book about the obstacle of indifference, which is an obstacle that\u2019s really dangerous; because you don\u2019t care. That is the apathy of: \u201cI\u2019m not running, and I don\u2019t really care.\u201d I think that\u2019s a really difficult obstacle to overcome. I also know the obstacle of indifference, oftentimes, requires a very difficult situation in order to get our attention so we\u2019ll get on the track and start running again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things I would say to your listeners is: \u201cIf that\u2019s where they\u2019re at\u2014if they\u2019re going through something that makes them feel like they just can\u2019t finish, it could also be the prompt that they\u2019re needing to actually get back in the race\/to start running again. How you <em>receive<\/em> that desperate moment: \u2018Is it going to cause me to just quit altogether, or is this going to be a wakeup call for me?\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIndifference or spiritual apathy\u2014you know, the early church fathers included as one of the seven deadly sins\u2014the sin of sloth, which doesn\u2019t sound very deadly. It sounds like laying in the bathtub, you know, long\u2014 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014recliner; that\u2019s what La-Z-Boys<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> are built for!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Right; it doesn\u2019t sound that deadly. [Laughter] But it\u2019s one of the most deadly of all sins, because you shrug your shoulders at the very things you should be fighting for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>What would you do with a teenager that you feel is right there? As a parent, what would your steps be toward them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Well, you know, what I would <em>do<\/em> is not the right thing to do. [Laughter] I know what I would do\u2014I\u2019d try to light a fire under him! [Laughter] I\u2019ve gone down that path many times. But, you know, in seriousness, I think what I\u2019ve learned with my teenagers is that, if I can be a little bit vulnerable with that struggle in my own life, it can go a long way. Whether it\u2019s connecting it to when I was their age or even more recently, that helps; but pushing them to get back in the race and <em>making<\/em> them take the next steps and run is often an exercise in futility.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, Ann brings up something that a lot of parents are struggling with, which is teenagers or young adults, who have basically decided to drop out of the race\/the spiritual race.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>They\u2019ve become very apathetic in their faith and don\u2019t really care.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I was talking to a young man, who went to Bible college, and was, at one point, thinking about ministry\/maybe missions is what he wanted to do. Today, he said: \u201cYes; I don\u2019t know that I\u2019m an atheist or an agnostic; I\u2019m just apathetic. I really don\u2019t care about this stuff.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI looked at him and said: \u201cYou know, we\u2019re talking about the big issues of life. We\u2019re talking about\u2014not about who\u2019s going to win the game or this year\u2019s election\u2014we\u2019re talking about: \u2018Where did I come from?\u2019 \u2018Why am I here?\u2019 \u2018What happens when I die?\u2019 These are the big issues of life, and you\u2019re going, \u2018Yes; I\u2019d just rather play some video games\u2019?\u201d He was like, \u201cIt\u2019s easier to not think about that stuff.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there are a lot of people, who\u2019ve just said: \u201cI was not finding joy; I was not finding peace; I was not finding contentment in trying to do the religious stuff that I was doing; so I just checked out and said: \u2018Okay; it\u2019s not there. I\u2019m going to just play some video games.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIs there a thing a parent can do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>My wife is a <em>huge<\/em> fan of natural consequences. She just believes, you know: \u201cDon\u2019t rescue them from this,\u201d \u201cDon\u2019t save them.\u201d If they\u2019re going to stay up, and they\u2019re going to play video games all night, then we\u2019re not going to wake them up in the morning; and we\u2019re not going\u2014you know, if they\u2019re not going to have the job, then when they need gas money\/if they run out of gas, then they\u2019ll have to figure that out. You know, I think there\u2019s a lot of wisdom in that. I mean, if she heard me saying this\u2014 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>She will!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>She will; yes\u2014because my tendency is to <em>rescue<\/em>. In my mind, I\u2019m thinking: \u201cOkay; here\u2019s an opportunity to express my love and \u2018I\u2019m there for you,\u2019\u201d and to come into a situation that was created by their indifference and apathy and to save the day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, if she was sitting here, I might not admit that she\u2019s right; [Laughter] but I do know that our apathy, in any area of life, will eventually create an unsustainable situation. When we reach that point, it\u2019s an opportunity for God to get our attention and to draw us back into what He\u2019s called us to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, the 16-year-old\u2014who says: \u201cDo I have to go to church? I don\u2019t want to go to church,\u201d\u2014as a parent, do you say\u2014do you make him?\u2014or do you say, \u201cOkay; I\u2019m just going to let whatever natural consequences come from not going to church be a part of what you deal with\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes; so, you know, it\u2019s interesting\u2014before I had teenagers, I would have said: \u201cWell, yes you <em>make<\/em> them! [Laughter] You make them go.\u201d What I have discovered with my kids\u2014and I don\u2019t know that this; I haven\u2019t done the study or the research on it\u2014but they know that that\u2019s the expectation. If they don\u2019t go to church on the weekend, then there are other things they\u2019re not going to get to do during the week; but I\u2019m not going to fight them. I\u2019m not going to say, \u201cNo; you are going to go.\u201d I don\u2019t want them to connect church and faith to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014obligation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes; to obligation and to dad saying, \u201cI don\u2019t care\u2026\u201d So, trying to understand where that\u2019s coming from\/why they would feel that way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you see a teenager wandering down the path, and they\u2019re headed toward the far country, and you go, \u201cBoy, if they get too far down that path, that\u2019s a long walk back; and there\u2019s danger out there.\u201d As a parent, you\u2019re saying, \u201cSometimes, you just have to let them wander and find out what\u2019s out there\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>You know, one of the things I had tried to do with my kids is strategically place other people in that path. It may be pretty difficult for me to get out in front of them and say, \u201cHey, don\u2019t go down this path\u201d; <em>but<\/em> I know people in their life, and I know other kids their age, and I\u2019ll manipulate the situation\u2014 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>It\u2019s okay to do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>\u2014so that someone other that just my wife or I are the ones giving that message; because I don\u2019t know that\u2014I think that, oftentimes, that can backfire.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>With our adult kids, now, they\u2019ll come back and say, \u201cI wish you would have\u2026\u201d which is always very humbling, to be the parents of those adult kids now. But one of the things that one of our sons said: \u201cI wish you would have asked me the <em>whys<\/em> behind what I was doing. I wish you would have gone deeper into my heart if I didn\u2019t want to go to youth group.\u201d I think we did ask, but I didn\u2019t spend enough time of getting into \u201cWhat\u2019s going on that makes you <em>not<\/em> want to go?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think teenagers are <em>really<\/em> good at having those discussions if we\u2019re very open, and humble, and want to hear their heart. I think that\u2019s one of those things, as parents\u2014if our kids are going off into that path\u2014to really sit down and say: \u201cWhat\u2019s going on? Tell me what\u2019s going on in your heart. What\u2019s happened? Is there anything I can do to help you?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>One of my four kids really doesn\u2019t like being a pastor\u2019s kid very much. A couple of weeks ago, I was trying to get her out the door to go to church on a Sunday night. She didn\u2019t want to go; we were kind of going back and forth on it. She said, \u201cI just don\u2019t like\u201d\u2014and she didn\u2019t say it with an attitude\u2014she just said, \u201cI just don\u2019t like going with <em>you<\/em> to church.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe went, and she went with us that night. I paid attention to all the different people that stopped and kind of noticed her reaction when people were asking her questions. She didn\u2019t want to be in the spotlight. It wasn\u2019t a rebellious attitude; it was anxiety. She was feeling anxious over it. Understanding the <em>why<\/em> behind it\u2014it wasn\u2019t what I thought it was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Talk about applying this to parenting\/applying this to marriage\u2014this \u201cDon\u2019t give up\u201d attitude. As a parent, or even as just a friend, to somebody\u2014when are those times when they <em>should<\/em> quit?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I\u2019m thinking, \u201cIf I went on <em>American Idol<\/em> and auditioned right now, I would be 30 seconds and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cGive up,\u201d \u201cGive up.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes; I mean, but if I\u2014and so many do; we laugh at it when they do that\u2014but you\u2019re sitting there, going, \u201cDude, quit!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Every time, Dave\u2019s thinking, \u201cWhy didn\u2019t the parents <em>tell<\/em> them they were not good?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That\u2019s why I\u2019m asking the question, because the parents are encouraging it; and everybody else knows: \u201cNo, no; this is one of those things you should quit. You have another gift,\u201d or something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cThe violin is not your instrument, sweetheart\u201d; right? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>So talk about, when the obstacles come up in the race, and it\u2019s like that obstacle is really a sign to say, \u201cYou have something else going, but you should quit this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes; and I think that\u2019s the way you do it\u2014right?\u2014is by you turning their attention to who God has made them to be, helping draw out the gifts that God has given them, and to say gently, \u201cWhat about this over here instead of <em>American Idol<\/em>?\u201d Yes; I do think that\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, one of the challenges with \u201cDon\u2019t give up\u201d is that one of the most important spiritual realizations for anyone is surrender\u2014it <em>is<\/em> giving up: it\u2019s giving up my right; it\u2019s giving up my desires; it\u2019s giving up my plans for the future\u2014it\u2019s surrendering all those things to God. There\u2019s a sense in which we need to learn to give up so we can <em>never<\/em> give up\u2014that it\u2019s only in surrendering those things and, as Jesus talks about, dying to ourselves, that we can find life and we can find strength.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, sometimes, surrender is the right message. Sometimes, giving up is the message we need to hear; because it\u2019s in giving up that we can discover a strength that\u2019s greater than our own.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You referenced Galatians 6:9, \u201cDon\u2019t be weary in well-doing; in due time you will reap what you sow.\u201d You thought, \u201cI wish I knew when \u2018due time\u2019 was.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou got a phone call from somebody, who was not a member of your church, but who had seen you on TV; and he wanted to talk to you. You, actually, connected with this guy; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes; this is a guy who had been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and knew he didn\u2019t have much time left. I went to his house to visit with him. One of the things I do on a call like that is\u2014I don\u2019t bring a Bible with me. I\u2019ll ask for their Bible; because you find out, pretty quickly, who you\u2019re talking to. I said, \u201cDo you all have a Bible?\u201d At first, he said, \u201cNo, no; there\u2019s no Bible in the house.\u201d Then they remembered they did have one. They went over, and they pulled out a Bible that was three feet by three feet. [Laughter] I mean, it was\u2014it was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A door-to-door salesman had gotten them on that one; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>It was so big; it was this big white Bible, with gold lettering and King James version. I opened it up to Romans 8 to talk to them about the love of God, and getting right with God, and what that looks like. You know, he had come to a place in his life where he had worked really hard at getting a lot of things right, because he knew he didn\u2019t have much time left. He got some things right with his ex-; he got some things right with his kids; all his finances were in order. But this was the last thing\u2014he had been putting this off.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of my takeaways from my time with him was: \u201cEven if you\u2019re just now starting, God meets you right where you are.\u201d Some people give up because it feels like it\u2019s too late: \u201cI\u2019ve gone too far down this path. I\u2019ve made too much of a mess of things.\u201d Just talking to him about the gospel, and the nature of God, and what Jesus does for us, it\u2019s <em>never<\/em> too late to get back in the race. Even if you have stepped off the track; even if you\u2019ve given up, spiritually, in some ways\u2014you may have given up on God\u2014but God hasn\u2019t given up on you. He is still faithful; and when we reach out to Him, He is there for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, the person who\u2019s listening, who has felt that way, \u201cI\u2019m too far from God\u2019s grace,\u201d they\u2019ve given up on God because life has been a mess\u2014would you pray for them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJesus, I just thank You for not giving up on us. I think of <em>all<\/em> the ways that You could have given up. When they pressed the thorns into Your brow, You could have said: \u201cThat\u2019s enough. I\u2019m done.\u201d When You were spit upon and beaten, You could have, just with a nod of Your head, paralyzed every soldier in the room. You could have said one word and called the angels of heaven to Your defense, but You didn\u2019t do that. You didn\u2019t give up; You were nailed to the cross. You persevered, because You wanted us to know how much You loved us, You wanted to forever establish our value to You, God, by giving us Your only Son, Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I pray, God, that You would help the person who\u2019s listening to this right now to do exactly what Hebrews 12 says\u2014to fix their eyes on You\u2014that, Jesus, they would <em>know<\/em> that You did not give up on them and that You have <em>not<\/em> given up on them and that they would pray a very simple prayer; and that prayer would just be, \u201cI need help.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod, I believe that that\u2019s what You will respond to\u2014it\u2019s when we humble ourselves and just ask for help. God, I have been there, as a husband and father. I\u2019m <em>embarrassed<\/em> when I think about how long it took me to get on my knees and just say to You: \u201cGod, I need help as a husband. I don\u2019t know what I\u2019m doing, and I\u2019ve made a mess of some things. I need help.\u201d And as a father, how hard it was for me. I\u2019d read all kinds of books on parenting; but it was hard for me to just get on my knees with my wife and say, \u201cGod, I need help.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLord, I believe that\u2019s where You meet us\u2014is when we recognize that we can\u2019t go any further on our own. I pray that You would help us humble ourselves and cry out to You for help, and that we would receive Your strength and, God, that You would give us faith and confidence that\u2014no matter where we\u2019re at or what the situation is\u2014that You are the great Redeemer and Healer. You can work things for good. It\u2019s in Jesus\u2019 name we pray; amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob and Ann: <\/strong>Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Kyle, thanks. Thanks for encouraging all of us to persevere and to not give up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I just hear your wife\u2019s voice in my ear, going: \u201cKeep going! You can do it!\u201d\u2014right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>She never stops. [Laughter] And that\u2019s a good thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>That is a good thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>That is a very good thing. Thank God for her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We have copies of Kyle Idleman\u2019s book, <em>Don\u2019t Give Up: Faith That Gives You the Confidence to Keep Believing and the Courage to Keep Going<\/em>. You can order it from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get your copy. Again, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329 to get a copy of the book, <em>Don\u2019t Give Up<\/em>\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, we\u2019ve been talking this week about perseverance\/about not giving up with Kyle Idleman. David Robbins, the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, is here with us today. We all need to hear a message like this somewhat regularly; don\u2019t you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>Yes; this was <em>such<\/em> a good conversation for our culture; but also, just for <em>me<\/em> and each one of us. You know, when I think about virtues lacking in our culture, faithfulness would have to be pretty top-of-the-list as one of those that is lacking today. One of the reasons I think faithfulness is lacking is because we\u2019re so enticed by the next thing\u2014something new\u2014whatever\u2019s being pushed to us by consumerism or to make us feel comfortable.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen faithfulness is <em>lacking<\/em> in a culture, <em>everyone<\/em> suffers: marriages suffer, families suffer, our own souls suffer. I feel this often\u2014the temptation to find life in something else. I think all of us do. I needed, today, what Kyle is talking about\u2014a commitment to persevere, to be faithful, to do the things that we commit to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, Galatians 6 really comes to my mind as I say that: \u201cDon\u2019t grow weary in doing good, because in due time you will reap, if you don\u2019t give up.\u201d The passage goes on to say: \u201cSo then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, especially to those in the household of faith.\u201d My action, after listening today, is to not give up\/to be faithful and to even pursue doing good to the covenant relationships in my life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; that\u2019s good. Thank you, David.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, I know a lot of our listeners have gotten an email or a letter from you this month, talking about the matching-gift campaign that\u2019s going on, where donations are being matched, dollar for dollar, as we\u2019re raising money for translation of <em>Like Arrows<\/em> and the<em> Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> into new languages\u2014Mandarin, Arabic\u2014other outreaches that we\u2019re fully-engaged in. I hope listeners will take the time to read the emails and the letters that you sent, and I hope they\u2019ll respond and help us take the ministry of FamilyLife to more moms and dads and husbands and wives all around the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you want to help with a donation today, it\u2019s easy to do. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014donate online\u2014or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. Keep in mind, your donation, right now, is matched, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $500,000. 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