{"id":305264,"date":"2019-08-12T13:53:11","date_gmt":"2019-08-12T17:53:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/three-little-words-we-all-need-to-hear\/"},"modified":"2019-08-12T13:53:11","modified_gmt":"2019-08-12T17:53:11","slug":"three-little-words-we-all-need-to-hear","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/three-little-words-we-all-need-to-hear\/","title":{"rendered":"Three Little Words We All Need to Hear"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Kyle Idleman is convinced that what most people need to hear are the words, &#8220;Don&#8217;t give up.&#8221; Time and again in Scripture we see believers persevering in the face of trials, and Idleman reminds us that we can too.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2019-08-12.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:28:16","filesize":"25.89M","filesize_raw":"27145816","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2809,2822,2860],"tags":[],"podcast_series":[8296],"cwp_profile":[9359],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-305264","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-commitment","category-growing-in-your-faith","category-hardship-and-suffering","podcast_series-dont-give-up","cwp_profile-kyle-idleman","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/305264\/three-little-words-we-all-need-to-hear","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/305264\/three-little-words-we-all-need-to-hear","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"bpbA1COEFI\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/three-little-words-we-all-need-to-hear\/\">Three Little Words We All Need to Hear<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/three-little-words-we-all-need-to-hear\/embed\/#?secret=bpbA1COEFI\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Three Little Words We All Need to Hear&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"bpbA1COEFI\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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I\u2019m done!\u201d Pastor Kyle Idleman remembers counseling a woman who felt that way about her marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>She did <em>not<\/em> <em>want <\/em>to <em>want<\/em> to pursue her husband or to pursue reconciliation in her marriage. Family and friends were telling her, \u201cHey, be done.\u201d She wanted to be done; but she had this strong sense that God was saying: \u201cHey, I\u2019m going to do something. Just watch; just wait.\u201d She did that\u2014she said, \u201cI\u2019m not going to do anything except for not quit,\u201d which is the point of the story. She wasn\u2019t even <em>trying<\/em>; she just wasn\u2019t going to quit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, August 12<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. How do you know whether it\u2019s time to throw in the towel and say, \u201cThis isn\u2019t going to work,\u201d or whether you keep standing firm and don\u2019t give up? We\u2019re going to talk with Kyle Idleman about that today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I\u2019m guessing, knowing your background as a college athlete,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You don\u2019t know <em>anything<\/em> about my background. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I know that you are a two-time Hall of Fame recipient.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> How do you know that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Because your wife\/your cheerleader talks about this all the time. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s right; and a two-time <em>high school<\/em> Hall of Fame recipient.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Okay; that\u2019s enough! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m thinking what we\u2019re going to talk about today is almost second nature to you because, to excel at the level of athletics that you excelled at, you have to have a commitment to pressing though obstacles\/hurdles\u2014persevering. You don\u2019t quit; you hang in there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the strength of perseverance\u2014the Bible says we\u2019re all to be persevering. In marriage and family relationships, we are called upon to persevere with one another for a lifetime; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; but I tell you\u2014I don\u2019t love any words more than the three words of the book we\u2019re going to look at today: \u201cDon\u2019t give up\u201d is a\u2014it is a mantra.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve said that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, it is the way to live! I <em>love<\/em> this book; I <em>love<\/em> this concept. I think it\u2019s <em>straight<\/em> from the heart of God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, Kyle Idleman joins us. He is the author of that book that is \u201cstraight from the heart of God\u201d\u2014that\u2019s pretty good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> I\u2019ll take that. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Kyle, welcome back to <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Thanks. Great to be back with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Kyle is the senior pastor at Southeast Christian Church in Louisville, Kentucky, one of the ten largest churches in America. You have probably heard of, or read, or been through the Bible study: <em>Not a Fan<\/em>; familiar with his books: <em>Grace Is Greater<\/em>;<em> Gods at War.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis book on perseverance is kind of an extended meditation on Hebrew 11 and 12. It was right in meditating on those chapters that you said, \u201cGod\u2019s calling His people to get back up and stick with it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> I have had, over the years, so many conversations, as a pastor, with people who are struggling with any kind of issue\u2014maybe it\u2019s a marriage issue or family\u2014maybe it\u2019s financial or some kind of a faith crisis. I just really became convinced that almost every one of them have had this need in common\u2014to be challenged: \u201cto not give up.\u201d That was just a common pastoral conversation I was having with people: \u201cDon\u2019t give up,\u201d \u201cDon\u2019t give up.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI found that people would often come to church, thinking they wanted comfort because of whatever they were going through that was difficult. What they really needed was some courage. Those things aren\u2019t mutually exclusive, of course; right?\u2014comfort and courage can go together. But there\u2019s a difference between someone saying, \u201cHey, you have a seat, take a break, you\u2019ve been working hard,\u201d and somebody saying, \u201cGet back in there and stick with it; don\u2019t give up.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t know that we have very many people in our lives who will speak courage into us. We have people who\u2019ll put an arm around us and give us some comfort\u2014maybe some friends and family\u2014if we\u2019re blessed in that way. But oftentimes, we <em>don\u2019t<\/em> necessarily have somebody who will grab us by the shoulders and say, \u201cOkay; now is not the time to give up.\u201d Oftentimes, you\u2019ll see people give up right at a moment where they\u2019ve never really been closer to a breakthrough; so, sometimes, the most spiritual thing you can do is just not quit. Hebrews 11 and 12 is a powerful passage of Scripture that challenges us to not give up\/to not grow weary; and uses Jesus as our inspiration. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s easy to think of \u201cDon\u2019t give up,\u201d as this trite saying; but the question is, \u201cWhat\u2019s that rooted in?\u201d If it\u2019s rooted in something real\/if it\u2019s rooted in faith, then the foundation is secure. If it\u2019s self-taught\u2014if it\u2019s looking at yourself in the mirror, listening to <em>Eye of the Tiger<\/em>, [Laughter] saying, \u201cDon\u2019t give up,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s going to get exposed. But if it\u2019s rooted in God\/if it\u2019s rooted in our faith in Christ, it makes all the difference.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is a theme throughout Scripture\u2014the idea that we are to <em>persevere<\/em> in the face of trials. It\u2019s kind of <em>written<\/em> into the job description of what it means to be a follower of Christ; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong>It is a thread. You see it in the Old Testament and the New Testament as well. It could have variations of \u201cDon\u2019t give up\u201d; it could be: \u201cBe strong,\u201d \u201cBe courageous,\u201d \u201cBe brave.\u201d That is a constant theme, because that is a confidence that we can have as followers of Jesus\/as children of God. It\u2019s not surprising that that is a theme because of who is on our side: \u201cIf God is with us, then who can be against us? So, don\u2019t give up.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We probably should read the passage for the listener to hear, \u201cOkay; this is where a lot of this comes from.\u201d As I open the book and started reading this\u2014one of my favorite passages\u2014it\u2019s one of those you\u2019ve heard. The way, Kyle, you break it down is so insightful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll read it for you\u2014it says: \u201cTherefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders, and the sin that so easily entangles. Let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. Consider Him, who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.\u201d That\u2019s Hebrews 12:1-3.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Why is that one of your favorite passages?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s what Kyle gets into in the book; because it\u2019s rooted\u2014the perseverance, and the overcoming, and the \u201cNever give up,\u201d \u201cNever stop,\u201d\u2014is rooted in Someone that modeled that for us. It\u2019s our leader\u2014it\u2019s Jesus\u2014so you\u2019d go back to Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love how you broke it down. I\u2019ve preached this before, and I\u2019ve <em>never<\/em> done as good a job as you just did through the book, saying, \u201cOkay; let\u2019s break it down in three sections.\u201d You start with this cloud of witnesses. Let\u2019s start there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Okay; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>What does that mean? I\u2019ve heard all kinds of interpretations. I\u2019ve probably preached it wrongly. What is this cloud of witnesses?\u2014and how does that help us \u201cDon\u2019t give up\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Hebrews 12 begins with, \u201cTherefore, since we\u2019re surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses,\u201d\u2014it\u2019s pointing us back to Hebrews 11, which is sometimes called The Hall of Fame for faith. You have all these heroes of Scripture referenced in Hebrews 11\u2014it\u2019s pointing us to them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt says, \u201cWe\u2019re surrounded by a cloud of witnesses.\u201d That word, \u201cwitness,\u201d\u2014it could be translated in one of two ways. It could either be \u201csomeone who sees,\u201d which is, I think, how we would typically capture this: \u201cWe are being watched,\u201d\u2014this idea that, in the stands, watching us run our race, are these great heroes of the faith: they\u2019ve run theirs; the baton has been passed; now, it\u2019s our turn. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other way, though\u2014and I think this is probably the more accurate way to interpret the word, \u201cwitness,\u201d\u2014is \u201csomeone who speaks.\u201d There\u2019s a few reasons, if you do the word study, why it makes sense if it\u2019s someone who speaks. It\u2019s the idea that their story of faith speaks courage into <em>our<\/em> story. It\u2019s this idea that we read, we learn, we study these heroes of the faith. It\u2019s as if that story is waiting for us\u2014at a turn, where we have been running, and running, and running; and at just the right point, when we\u2019re really tired, they speak to us\u2014they start to tell us: \u201cHere\u2019s my story. It was hard for me. Here\u2019s what <em>I<\/em> went through.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes people read Scripture, and they wonder why certain things are included\u2014why all the obstacles, and challenges, and the low points in people\u2019s lives\u2014<em>that<\/em> story is meant to speak courage into <em>your<\/em> story. We have these witnesses, who <em>are<\/em> watching and who are speaking, and their stories speak courage into ours.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Part of the reason the Hebrews 11 stories speak courage to us is because everybody, who\u2019s listed in Hebrews 11, is a flawed individual\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and they have gone through trials\/hard things that have been difficult.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and not been superheroes, going through trials\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014but real human beings, with real problems, in how they lived out their faith\u2014who persevered and are in the Hall of Fame because they persevered, even though they were deeply-flawed people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I was struck by your story that you shared of visiting a young couple in the hospital as you talked about this. Can you share that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> I don\u2019t make a ton of hospital visits at the church where I\u2019m a pastor. We have a team of incredible pastors who take great care of our folks. But sometimes, I\u2019ll get called in, especially when the situation is <em>dire<\/em>. One of the things that God has taught me, because of that, is He has allowed me to have a front-row seat when people go through some of the most devastating, desperate moments of life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, there was a young couple in our church who I happened to know. They had been trying to get pregnant, and this was their <em>first<\/em> child. She was going into labor. They called for family and friends to meet them at the hospital. This was going to be a great day of celebration for them, and the baby was stillborn.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI get a phone call; rush over to the hospital. I walk into the hospital room, where the mother is there; and she\u2019s surrounded by some family. They point me towards the <em>next<\/em> room, a little room off to the side, where the father is. He\u2019s sitting\u2014and the lights are down\u2014he\u2019s sitting in a rocker, and holding his child, and saying goodbye. He\u2019s by himself. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2014as you all know\u2014there\u2019s just nothing you can really say in those moments, so I sat with him for a few minutes. I knelt down to pray for him. As I was praying, we could hear singing coming from the other room. They were singing the Tomlin song, <em>How Great Is Our God<\/em>. It grew louder, with more conviction: \u201cHow great is our God; how great is our God.\u201d The courage that that family had in that moment\u2014that\u2019s not from themselves\u2014you don\u2019t drum that up. That comes because of their faith in Jesus\u2014because of the hope, as Paul says in Romans\u2014\u201cit doesn\u2019t disappoint.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThose are the stories\u2014in some ways, those are the modern-day stories of Hebrews 11. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Those are the heroes of the faith <em>today<\/em>. That inspires; you hear those stories, and it helps you keep going. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> People will hear stories like that\u2014and I, at least\u2014will think: \u201cI don\u2019t know if I could do that. I don\u2019t know if, in that moment, that would be my response.\u201d I think there are two things to consider when you think that. First of all, God gives grace in the moment when you need it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes; it is sufficient. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You might not think you could do it\u2014because you\u2019re not in that moment, and God\u2019s not pouring out that grace to you\u2014but in the moment, you find God supplies it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s a second thing; and that is, you have to have a foundation built so that, when the storms come\u2014this is Matthew 7; right?\u2014build your house on rock so that, when the storms come, your house isn\u2019t destroyed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou isolate, Kyle\u2014when you talk about the crowd of witnesses, you say they help us keep believing in moments where there\u2019s doubt, keep fighting in moments where we\u2019re discouraged, and keep a perspective on what this is. This is where I will, oftentimes\u2014and I don\u2019t mean this to be trite\u2014but I am, oftentimes, with folks in hard circumstances. I will say, \u201cThe Bible calls what we\u2019re going through now \u2018light and momentary afflictions that are securing for you a great weight of glory.\u2019 What we\u2019re going through feels hard. It\u2019s a light and momentary affliction compared to the glory that\u2019s ahead for us.\u201d That\u2019s the kind of <em>perspective<\/em> that help us, in the moment, go: \u201cOkay; God\u2019s still in control. I can still trust Him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Yes; I personally went through a time in ministry\u2014it would have been around 2014 or so\u2014where I was pretty discouraged and felt worn out\/tired. It was surfacing at home\u2014I was not enjoying people the way I normally would have. To be honest, I was feeling sorry for myself. I was in that mode, where I was the victim. I could tell you a half a dozen things in my life that just were not fair.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe went, as a family, to Haiti during that season for eight weeks. I spent most every day with a Haitian pastor named Idri. Idri lived with his family in this tiny little hut with no air conditioning\/no windows. He\u2019d put three or four of his kids on his motorcycle and take them into school every day. Then he\u2019d go preach up in the mountains, where he didn\u2019t get paid a penny. His wife would make enough money in the market for them to eat and have a place to live. He would plant these churches up in the hills. He had a joyful spirit; he could not have been more grateful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSpending some time with him changed my perspective. It helped me see some things differently and realize how much I have to be grateful for. A shift in perspective can sometimes make all the difference in persevering\u2014we see things a little bit different.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That story about the couple in their twenty-third year of marriage\u2014she finds out her husband has an affair. Talk about that; because when I read that, I was like, \u201cMan!\u201d Reading it, I\u2019m like out. I don\u2019t know if I would be able to keep fighting; and yet\u2014tell that story because it\u2019s pretty\u2014you know that story, and you know the couples. I want to hear it from your personal standpoint\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> One of the things I have been inspired by, as a pastor over the years, is people who have fought for their marriage in times where, in my mind, they didn\u2019t have to\u2014like: \u201cHey, you\u2019ve got an out here,\u201d and \u201cI don\u2019t think I could do that,\u201d\u2014you see them fight for their marriage, and then how glad they are that they did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWatching people go through that has changed how I counsel people about: \u201cLook; you want to <em>know<\/em> you gave this everything you\u2019ve got. You can look back and say, \u2018I fought for this.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe story you\u2019re specifically speaking about\u2014Colleen is her name. She did <em>not<\/em> <em>want <\/em>to <em>want<\/em> to pursue her husband or to pursue reconciliation in her marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014because she had grounds for divorce\u2014most people would tell her that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Right; yes. Then it turned out there were multiple affairs\u2014it wasn\u2019t a one-time thing. More secrets were revealed. Family and friends were telling her, \u201cHey, be done.\u201d She wanted to be done; but she had this strong sense that God was saying: \u201cHey, I\u2019m going to do something. Just watch; just wait.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe did; she didn\u2019t believe it\u2014she told God: \u201cI don\u2019t think You will. I don\u2019t think it is going to change.\u201d But she did that\u2014she just said, \u201cI\u2019m not going to do anything except for not quit,\u201d which is kind of the point of the story. She wasn\u2019t even <em>trying<\/em>; she just wasn\u2019t going to quit. She stepped away and watched and saw how God began to change and transform her husband and how that, eventually, brought reconciliation. They would say going through that season was one of the best things that ever happened to their marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, looking back on it, she would tell you that the most important thing\u2014was not, necessarily, that they went to counseling\/it wasn\u2019t that they enacted certain principles\u2014it\u2019s just that she didn\u2019t quit. Then, to see how the ripple effect of them not quitting\u2014how that affects their kids and, now, how it affects their grandkids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> How <em>are<\/em> they doing now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Good; yes; they are doing great. In fact, one of the beautiful things about this story is that he blesses the fact that the story\u2019s in the book. I sent an email out to her\u2014said: \u201cIs it okay if I share this story? I\u2019m going to change your name, and I\u2019ll change a few details.\u201d She said, \u201cLet me talk to my husband.\u201d She comes back: \u201cWe don\u2019t want you to change our names. We don\u2019t want you to change any details. This is our story; this is how God has worked in our marriage\/in our relationship.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve got listeners, right now, who are in that circumstance\u2014married to someone who has been, serially, unfaithful\u2014wondering: \u201cHow do I know what\u2019s the right path for me? Is it always, \u2018Keep fighting\u2019? Is there a right time to give up?\u201d If you\u2019re doing pastoral counseling with somebody\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014or if this is your daughter\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Exactly; right. Is there a way to know: \u201cI should persevere,\u201d versus \u201cNo; I\u2019m continuing to put myself in danger, or harm, or\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Certainly; I think\u2014putting yourself in danger or harm\u2014you know, if you are in a situation or if\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014if there\u2019s physical abuse\/emotional abuse\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> \u2014you need to get out and you need to get help; absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>I wouldn\u2019t have said this ten years ago, but I will not counsel a couple\u2014or a husband or a wife\u2014I will not counsel them to get a divorce. That doesn\u2019t mean there aren\u2019t grounds for it; but you\u2019re not going to hear me say, \u201cGive up.\u201d I\u2019ve just seen too many people, who have endured and fought through it; and they\u2019re so glad that they did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know, sometimes in the moment, it seems like the only option\u2014and it seems like, \u201cThis is going to make me happy,\u201d\u2014but if you\u2019ll stick with it, there\u2019s, oftentimes, a redeeming work. I think it\u2019s hard to trust our <em>own<\/em> perspective on it. I think we need godly counsel; we need to hear some wisdom from people, who aren\u2019t especially connected to us and the situation. I do believe that, oftentimes, we quit too soon; we quit too early.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> My wife doesn\u2019t like this; but every year, at Christmas, I <em>always<\/em> want to watch <em>The Family Man. <\/em>You guys know that movie?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Nicolas Cage\u2014every year. I did it again this year; she\u2019s like: \u201cReally? We\u2019re going to watch it again?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Every other year would be fine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; for years, it was like, \u201cWhy do I love this movie?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I asked him that this time\u2014I said, \u201cYou need to think, \u2018What is it in this movie that resonates with your heart?\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I now know. Sitting here, right now, I just connected one more dot. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a long story, so I won\u2019t go into it; but it\u2019s basically a movie about a single man, who\u2019s living the life in Manhattan, years after he said goodbye to his college sweetheart. He wakes up with\u2014they call it a \u201cglimpse\u201d: \u201cThis is what your life <em>would<\/em> have been if you would have married her.\u201d He doesn\u2019t know what\u2019s going on, but he wakes up and he\u2019s in a house in Jersey. They\u2019ve got two little kids; this unbelievable marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, toward the end, it goes back to real life. He realizes, \u201cI would rather have that life than the life of being the bachelor in Manhattan.\u201d He chases her down\u2014she\u2019s a lawyer now\u2014a non-profit. Do you remember the scene in the airport? She\u2019s getting on a plane to go somewhere, and he runs up. That\u2019s where\u2014I cry every time; because he\u2019s like\u2014she\u2019s like: \u201cJack, that was years ago. We\u2019re fine. You need closure? You\u2019ve got it; you know, I\u2019m fine.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou guys, if you\u2019ve ever seen it\u2014he\u2019s like: \u201cWe have a house in Jersey! We have two little kids!\u201d He starts yelling stuff; she, of course, has no idea about what he\u2019s talking about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s why it\u2019s so emotional for me\u2014it\u2019s my story. It just connected it out, right here, Kyle, as you\u2019re talking. It\u2019s like the house that my mom and dad had was in Jersey\u2014I had <em>never<\/em> connected that much. I know it\u2019s emotional for me because, when I watch that, I\u2019m the son whose mom and dad<em> did<\/em> split up, <em>wishing<\/em> they would\u2019ve stayed together, <em>wishing<\/em> they would have kept believing, kept fighting, and had a different perspective.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy dad, who\u2019s passed now, would say to you, \u201cI wish I would\u2019ve fought harder,\u201d\u2014such an important message. Again, there\u2019s discernment and wisdom to know when and when not; but there\u2019s a person, right now, that I\u2019m talking to\/that Kyle\u2019s talking to. I\u2019d say to pick up Kyle\u2019s book, as well; but I would say: \u201cDon\u2019t quit. Hang on; fight; and see what God may do.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you need some encouragement to do that, the book is a great source of that encouragement.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, definitely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Go to FamilyLifeToday.com. You can get a copy of Kyle Idleman\u2019s book, <em>Don\u2019t Give Up<\/em>:<em> Faith that Gives You the Confidence to Keep Believing and the Courage to Keep Going.<\/em> We\u2019ve got copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. Order from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d The title of the book, again: <em>Don\u2019t Give Up.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have to read a note we got recently from a woman in Central America who wrote to us. This is a woman who, I would say she had given up as a mom. She wrote and said, \u201cI have had a habit of abusing my own son.\u201d She said: \u201cMy mom abused me. I heard God say, \u2018You have a new beginning. You\u2019re not like your mother.\u2019\u201d This woman had gone to see our movie, <em>Like Arrows<\/em>, in Central America and has now begun to go through the<em> Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series and is getting help and hope for how she lives as a mom to her son. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI read that; I got excited. First of all, I got excited because I know some of our listeners were a part of helping us be able to translate <em>Like Arrows<\/em> and the<em> Art of Parenting<\/em> into Spanish. Of course, right now, we\u2019re hoping to raise the funds necessary to be able to translate these resources into Arabic and into Mandarin, where we\u2019ve had people coming to us, saying, \u201cHow can we get these tools in our language?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had some friends of the ministry, recently, who came to us and said, \u201cWe want to accelerate, not only what is happening with the<em> Art of Parenting<\/em>, but <em>all <\/em>that is happening through FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. They agreed, during the month of August, they would match every donation we receive from listeners, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $500,000. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith projects like the translation of the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> video series\/other things we\u2019re involved with, we\u2019re hoping, this month, to be able to take full advantage of this matching-gift opportunity. That\u2019s why we want to ask you: \u201cWill you be a part of extending the reach of FamilyLife so that more moms and dads\/more husbands and wives can get the kind of practical biblical help and hope they need for their marriage and for their family?\u201d Would you make a donation this month? You can do it easily, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKeep in mind your donation will be matched, dollar for dollar, <em>and<\/em> we\u2019ll send you a thank-you gift. We want to send you a copy of Dennis and Barbara Rainey\u2019s book, <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em>. You can either keep it for yourself or pass it on to someone you know. It\u2019s our way of saying: \u201cThank you for your partnership with us and helping us effectively develop godly families and marriages all around the world. We\u2019re grateful to have you on the team.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you can join us back tomorrow. We\u2019re going to talk about why anxiety is one of the things that causes us to lose heart and to give up. We\u2019ll talk about that with Kyle Idleman tomorrow. I hope you can be with us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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Idleman is convinced that what most people need to hear are the words, \"Don't give up.\" Time and again in Scripture we see believers persevering in the face of trials, and Idleman reminds us that we can too.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2019-08-12.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Have you ever thought to yourself: \u201cI\u2019ve had enough here. I\u2019m done!\u201d Pastor Kyle Idleman remembers counseling a woman who felt that way about her marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>She did <em>not<\/em> <em>want <\/em>to <em>want<\/em> to pursue her husband or to pursue reconciliation in her marriage. Family and friends were telling her, \u201cHey, be done.\u201d She wanted to be done; but she had this strong sense that God was saying: \u201cHey, I\u2019m going to do something. Just watch; just wait.\u201d She did that\u2014she said, \u201cI\u2019m not going to do anything except for not quit,\u201d which is the point of the story. She wasn\u2019t even <em>trying<\/em>; she just wasn\u2019t going to quit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, August 12<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson; I'm Bob Lepine. How do you know whether it\u2019s time to throw in the towel and say, \u201cThis isn\u2019t going to work,\u201d or whether you keep standing firm and don\u2019t give up? We\u2019re going to talk with Kyle Idleman about that today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I\u2019m guessing, knowing your background as a college athlete,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You don\u2019t know <em>anything<\/em> about my background. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I know that you are a two-time Hall of Fame recipient.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> How do you know that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Because your wife\/your cheerleader talks about this all the time. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> That\u2019s right; and a two-time <em>high school<\/em> Hall of Fame recipient.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Okay; that\u2019s enough! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m thinking what we\u2019re going to talk about today is almost second nature to you because, to excel at the level of athletics that you excelled at, you have to have a commitment to pressing though obstacles\/hurdles\u2014persevering. You don\u2019t quit; you hang in there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the strength of perseverance\u2014the Bible says we\u2019re all to be persevering. In marriage and family relationships, we are called upon to persevere with one another for a lifetime; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; but I tell you\u2014I don\u2019t love any words more than the three words of the book we\u2019re going to look at today: \u201cDon\u2019t give up\u201d is a\u2014it is a mantra.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve said that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, it is the way to live! I <em>love<\/em> this book; I <em>love<\/em> this concept. I think it\u2019s <em>straight<\/em> from the heart of God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, Kyle Idleman joins us. He is the author of that book that is \u201cstraight from the heart of God\u201d\u2014that\u2019s pretty good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> I\u2019ll take that. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Kyle, welcome back to <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Thanks. Great to be back with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Kyle is the senior pastor at Southeast Christian Church in Louisville, Kentucky, one of the ten largest churches in America. You have probably heard of, or read, or been through the Bible study: <em>Not a Fan<\/em>; familiar with his books: <em>Grace Is Greater<\/em>;<em> Gods at War.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis book on perseverance is kind of an extended meditation on Hebrew 11 and 12. It was right in meditating on those chapters that you said, \u201cGod\u2019s calling His people to get back up and stick with it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> I have had, over the years, so many conversations, as a pastor, with people who are struggling with any kind of issue\u2014maybe it\u2019s a marriage issue or family\u2014maybe it\u2019s financial or some kind of a faith crisis. I just really became convinced that almost every one of them have had this need in common\u2014to be challenged: \u201cto not give up.\u201d That was just a common pastoral conversation I was having with people: \u201cDon\u2019t give up,\u201d \u201cDon\u2019t give up.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI found that people would often come to church, thinking they wanted comfort because of whatever they were going through that was difficult. What they really needed was some courage. Those things aren\u2019t mutually exclusive, of course; right?\u2014comfort and courage can go together. But there\u2019s a difference between someone saying, \u201cHey, you have a seat, take a break, you\u2019ve been working hard,\u201d and somebody saying, \u201cGet back in there and stick with it; don\u2019t give up.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t know that we have very many people in our lives who will speak courage into us. We have people who\u2019ll put an arm around us and give us some comfort\u2014maybe some friends and family\u2014if we\u2019re blessed in that way. But oftentimes, we <em>don\u2019t<\/em> necessarily have somebody who will grab us by the shoulders and say, \u201cOkay; now is not the time to give up.\u201d Oftentimes, you\u2019ll see people give up right at a moment where they\u2019ve never really been closer to a breakthrough; so, sometimes, the most spiritual thing you can do is just not quit. Hebrews 11 and 12 is a powerful passage of Scripture that challenges us to not give up\/to not grow weary; and uses Jesus as our inspiration. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s easy to think of \u201cDon\u2019t give up,\u201d as this trite saying; but the question is, \u201cWhat\u2019s that rooted in?\u201d If it\u2019s rooted in something real\/if it\u2019s rooted in faith, then the foundation is secure. If it\u2019s self-taught\u2014if it\u2019s looking at yourself in the mirror, listening to <em>Eye of the Tiger<\/em>, [Laughter] saying, \u201cDon\u2019t give up,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s going to get exposed. But if it\u2019s rooted in God\/if it\u2019s rooted in our faith in Christ, it makes all the difference.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is a theme throughout Scripture\u2014the idea that we are to <em>persevere<\/em> in the face of trials. It\u2019s kind of <em>written<\/em> into the job description of what it means to be a follower of Christ; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong>It is a thread. You see it in the Old Testament and the New Testament as well. It could have variations of \u201cDon\u2019t give up\u201d; it could be: \u201cBe strong,\u201d \u201cBe courageous,\u201d \u201cBe brave.\u201d That is a constant theme, because that is a confidence that we can have as followers of Jesus\/as children of God. It\u2019s not surprising that that is a theme because of who is on our side: \u201cIf God is with us, then who can be against us? So, don\u2019t give up.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We probably should read the passage for the listener to hear, \u201cOkay; this is where a lot of this comes from.\u201d As I open the book and started reading this\u2014one of my favorite passages\u2014it\u2019s one of those you\u2019ve heard. The way, Kyle, you break it down is so insightful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll read it for you\u2014it says: \u201cTherefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders, and the sin that so easily entangles. Let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. Consider Him, who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.\u201d That\u2019s Hebrews 12:1-3.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Why is that one of your favorite passages?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s what Kyle gets into in the book; because it\u2019s rooted\u2014the perseverance, and the overcoming, and the \u201cNever give up,\u201d \u201cNever stop,\u201d\u2014is rooted in Someone that modeled that for us. It\u2019s our leader\u2014it\u2019s Jesus\u2014so you\u2019d go back to Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love how you broke it down. I\u2019ve preached this before, and I\u2019ve <em>never<\/em> done as good a job as you just did through the book, saying, \u201cOkay; let\u2019s break it down in three sections.\u201d You start with this cloud of witnesses. Let\u2019s start there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Okay; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>What does that mean? I\u2019ve heard all kinds of interpretations. I\u2019ve probably preached it wrongly. What is this cloud of witnesses?\u2014and how does that help us \u201cDon\u2019t give up\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Hebrews 12 begins with, \u201cTherefore, since we\u2019re surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses,\u201d\u2014it\u2019s pointing us back to Hebrews 11, which is sometimes called The Hall of Fame for faith. You have all these heroes of Scripture referenced in Hebrews 11\u2014it\u2019s pointing us to them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt says, \u201cWe\u2019re surrounded by a cloud of witnesses.\u201d That word, \u201cwitness,\u201d\u2014it could be translated in one of two ways. It could either be \u201csomeone who sees,\u201d which is, I think, how we would typically capture this: \u201cWe are being watched,\u201d\u2014this idea that, in the stands, watching us run our race, are these great heroes of the faith: they\u2019ve run theirs; the baton has been passed; now, it\u2019s our turn. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other way, though\u2014and I think this is probably the more accurate way to interpret the word, \u201cwitness,\u201d\u2014is \u201csomeone who speaks.\u201d There\u2019s a few reasons, if you do the word study, why it makes sense if it\u2019s someone who speaks. It\u2019s the idea that their story of faith speaks courage into <em>our<\/em> story. It\u2019s this idea that we read, we learn, we study these heroes of the faith. It\u2019s as if that story is waiting for us\u2014at a turn, where we have been running, and running, and running; and at just the right point, when we\u2019re really tired, they speak to us\u2014they start to tell us: \u201cHere\u2019s my story. It was hard for me. Here\u2019s what <em>I<\/em> went through.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes people read Scripture, and they wonder why certain things are included\u2014why all the obstacles, and challenges, and the low points in people\u2019s lives\u2014<em>that<\/em> story is meant to speak courage into <em>your<\/em> story. We have these witnesses, who <em>are<\/em> watching and who are speaking, and their stories speak courage into ours.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Part of the reason the Hebrews 11 stories speak courage to us is because everybody, who\u2019s listed in Hebrews 11, is a flawed individual\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014and they have gone through trials\/hard things that have been difficult.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and not been superheroes, going through trials\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014but real human beings, with real problems, in how they lived out their faith\u2014who persevered and are in the Hall of Fame because they persevered, even though they were deeply-flawed people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I was struck by your story that you shared of visiting a young couple in the hospital as you talked about this. Can you share that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> I don\u2019t make a ton of hospital visits at the church where I\u2019m a pastor. We have a team of incredible pastors who take great care of our folks. But sometimes, I\u2019ll get called in, especially when the situation is <em>dire<\/em>. One of the things that God has taught me, because of that, is He has allowed me to have a front-row seat when people go through some of the most devastating, desperate moments of life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, there was a young couple in our church who I happened to know. They had been trying to get pregnant, and this was their <em>first<\/em> child. She was going into labor. They called for family and friends to meet them at the hospital. This was going to be a great day of celebration for them, and the baby was stillborn.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI get a phone call; rush over to the hospital. I walk into the hospital room, where the mother is there; and she\u2019s surrounded by some family. They point me towards the <em>next<\/em> room, a little room off to the side, where the father is. He\u2019s sitting\u2014and the lights are down\u2014he\u2019s sitting in a rocker, and holding his child, and saying goodbye. He\u2019s by himself. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2014as you all know\u2014there\u2019s just nothing you can really say in those moments, so I sat with him for a few minutes. I knelt down to pray for him. As I was praying, we could hear singing coming from the other room. They were singing the Tomlin song, <em>How Great Is Our God<\/em>. It grew louder, with more conviction: \u201cHow great is our God; how great is our God.\u201d The courage that that family had in that moment\u2014that\u2019s not from themselves\u2014you don\u2019t drum that up. That comes because of their faith in Jesus\u2014because of the hope, as Paul says in Romans\u2014\u201cit doesn\u2019t disappoint.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThose are the stories\u2014in some ways, those are the modern-day stories of Hebrews 11. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Those are the heroes of the faith <em>today<\/em>. That inspires; you hear those stories, and it helps you keep going. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> People will hear stories like that\u2014and I, at least\u2014will think: \u201cI don\u2019t know if I could do that. I don\u2019t know if, in that moment, that would be my response.\u201d I think there are two things to consider when you think that. First of all, God gives grace in the moment when you need it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>Yes; it is sufficient. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You might not think you could do it\u2014because you\u2019re not in that moment, and God\u2019s not pouring out that grace to you\u2014but in the moment, you find God supplies it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s a second thing; and that is, you have to have a foundation built so that, when the storms come\u2014this is Matthew 7; right?\u2014build your house on rock so that, when the storms come, your house isn\u2019t destroyed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou isolate, Kyle\u2014when you talk about the crowd of witnesses, you say they help us keep believing in moments where there\u2019s doubt, keep fighting in moments where we\u2019re discouraged, and keep a perspective on what this is. This is where I will, oftentimes\u2014and I don\u2019t mean this to be trite\u2014but I am, oftentimes, with folks in hard circumstances. I will say, \u201cThe Bible calls what we\u2019re going through now \u2018light and momentary afflictions that are securing for you a great weight of glory.\u2019 What we\u2019re going through feels hard. It\u2019s a light and momentary affliction compared to the glory that\u2019s ahead for us.\u201d That\u2019s the kind of <em>perspective<\/em> that help us, in the moment, go: \u201cOkay; God\u2019s still in control. I can still trust Him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Yes; I personally went through a time in ministry\u2014it would have been around 2014 or so\u2014where I was pretty discouraged and felt worn out\/tired. It was surfacing at home\u2014I was not enjoying people the way I normally would have. To be honest, I was feeling sorry for myself. I was in that mode, where I was the victim. I could tell you a half a dozen things in my life that just were not fair.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe went, as a family, to Haiti during that season for eight weeks. I spent most every day with a Haitian pastor named Idri. Idri lived with his family in this tiny little hut with no air conditioning\/no windows. He\u2019d put three or four of his kids on his motorcycle and take them into school every day. Then he\u2019d go preach up in the mountains, where he didn\u2019t get paid a penny. His wife would make enough money in the market for them to eat and have a place to live. He would plant these churches up in the hills. He had a joyful spirit; he could not have been more grateful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSpending some time with him changed my perspective. It helped me see some things differently and realize how much I have to be grateful for. A shift in perspective can sometimes make all the difference in persevering\u2014we see things a little bit different.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That story about the couple in their twenty-third year of marriage\u2014she finds out her husband has an affair. Talk about that; because when I read that, I was like, \u201cMan!\u201d Reading it, I\u2019m like out. I don\u2019t know if I would be able to keep fighting; and yet\u2014tell that story because it\u2019s pretty\u2014you know that story, and you know the couples. I want to hear it from your personal standpoint\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> One of the things I have been inspired by, as a pastor over the years, is people who have fought for their marriage in times where, in my mind, they didn\u2019t have to\u2014like: \u201cHey, you\u2019ve got an out here,\u201d and \u201cI don\u2019t think I could do that,\u201d\u2014you see them fight for their marriage, and then how glad they are that they did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWatching people go through that has changed how I counsel people about: \u201cLook; you want to <em>know<\/em> you gave this everything you\u2019ve got. You can look back and say, \u2018I fought for this.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe story you\u2019re specifically speaking about\u2014Colleen is her name. She did <em>not<\/em> <em>want <\/em>to <em>want<\/em> to pursue her husband or to pursue reconciliation in her marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014because she had grounds for divorce\u2014most people would tell her that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Right; yes. Then it turned out there were multiple affairs\u2014it wasn\u2019t a one-time thing. More secrets were revealed. Family and friends were telling her, \u201cHey, be done.\u201d She wanted to be done; but she had this strong sense that God was saying: \u201cHey, I\u2019m going to do something. Just watch; just wait.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe did; she didn\u2019t believe it\u2014she told God: \u201cI don\u2019t think You will. I don\u2019t think it is going to change.\u201d But she did that\u2014she just said, \u201cI\u2019m not going to do anything except for not quit,\u201d which is kind of the point of the story. She wasn\u2019t even <em>trying<\/em>; she just wasn\u2019t going to quit. She stepped away and watched and saw how God began to change and transform her husband and how that, eventually, brought reconciliation. They would say going through that season was one of the best things that ever happened to their marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, looking back on it, she would tell you that the most important thing\u2014was not, necessarily, that they went to counseling\/it wasn\u2019t that they enacted certain principles\u2014it\u2019s just that she didn\u2019t quit. Then, to see how the ripple effect of them not quitting\u2014how that affects their kids and, now, how it affects their grandkids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> How <em>are<\/em> they doing now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Good; yes; they are doing great. In fact, one of the beautiful things about this story is that he blesses the fact that the story\u2019s in the book. I sent an email out to her\u2014said: \u201cIs it okay if I share this story? I\u2019m going to change your name, and I\u2019ll change a few details.\u201d She said, \u201cLet me talk to my husband.\u201d She comes back: \u201cWe don\u2019t want you to change our names. We don\u2019t want you to change any details. This is our story; this is how God has worked in our marriage\/in our relationship.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve got listeners, right now, who are in that circumstance\u2014married to someone who has been, serially, unfaithful\u2014wondering: \u201cHow do I know what\u2019s the right path for me? Is it always, \u2018Keep fighting\u2019? Is there a right time to give up?\u201d If you\u2019re doing pastoral counseling with somebody\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014or if this is your daughter\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Exactly; right. Is there a way to know: \u201cI should persevere,\u201d versus \u201cNo; I\u2019m continuing to put myself in danger, or harm, or\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Certainly; I think\u2014putting yourself in danger or harm\u2014you know, if you are in a situation or if\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014if there\u2019s physical abuse\/emotional abuse\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> \u2014you need to get out and you need to get help; absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle: <\/strong>I wouldn\u2019t have said this ten years ago, but I will not counsel a couple\u2014or a husband or a wife\u2014I will not counsel them to get a divorce. That doesn\u2019t mean there aren\u2019t grounds for it; but you\u2019re not going to hear me say, \u201cGive up.\u201d I\u2019ve just seen too many people, who have endured and fought through it; and they\u2019re so glad that they did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know, sometimes in the moment, it seems like the only option\u2014and it seems like, \u201cThis is going to make me happy,\u201d\u2014but if you\u2019ll stick with it, there\u2019s, oftentimes, a redeeming work. I think it\u2019s hard to trust our <em>own<\/em> perspective on it. I think we need godly counsel; we need to hear some wisdom from people, who aren\u2019t especially connected to us and the situation. I do believe that, oftentimes, we quit too soon; we quit too early.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> My wife doesn\u2019t like this; but every year, at Christmas, I <em>always<\/em> want to watch <em>The Family Man. <\/em>You guys know that movie?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Nicolas Cage\u2014every year. I did it again this year; she\u2019s like: \u201cReally? We\u2019re going to watch it again?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Every other year would be fine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes; for years, it was like, \u201cWhy do I love this movie?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I asked him that this time\u2014I said, \u201cYou need to think, \u2018What is it in this movie that resonates with your heart?\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I now know. Sitting here, right now, I just connected one more dot. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a long story, so I won\u2019t go into it; but it\u2019s basically a movie about a single man, who\u2019s living the life in Manhattan, years after he said goodbye to his college sweetheart. He wakes up with\u2014they call it a \u201cglimpse\u201d: \u201cThis is what your life <em>would<\/em> have been if you would have married her.\u201d He doesn\u2019t know what\u2019s going on, but he wakes up and he\u2019s in a house in Jersey. They\u2019ve got two little kids; this unbelievable marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, toward the end, it goes back to real life. He realizes, \u201cI would rather have that life than the life of being the bachelor in Manhattan.\u201d He chases her down\u2014she\u2019s a lawyer now\u2014a non-profit. Do you remember the scene in the airport? She\u2019s getting on a plane to go somewhere, and he runs up. That\u2019s where\u2014I cry every time; because he\u2019s like\u2014she\u2019s like: \u201cJack, that was years ago. We\u2019re fine. You need closure? You\u2019ve got it; you know, I\u2019m fine.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou guys, if you\u2019ve ever seen it\u2014he\u2019s like: \u201cWe have a house in Jersey! We have two little kids!\u201d He starts yelling stuff; she, of course, has no idea about what he\u2019s talking about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s why it\u2019s so emotional for me\u2014it\u2019s my story. It just connected it out, right here, Kyle, as you\u2019re talking. It\u2019s like the house that my mom and dad had was in Jersey\u2014I had <em>never<\/em> connected that much. I know it\u2019s emotional for me because, when I watch that, I\u2019m the son whose mom and dad<em> did<\/em> split up, <em>wishing<\/em> they would\u2019ve stayed together, <em>wishing<\/em> they would have kept believing, kept fighting, and had a different perspective.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy dad, who\u2019s passed now, would say to you, \u201cI wish I would\u2019ve fought harder,\u201d\u2014such an important message. Again, there\u2019s discernment and wisdom to know when and when not; but there\u2019s a person, right now, that I\u2019m talking to\/that Kyle\u2019s talking to. I\u2019d say to pick up Kyle\u2019s book, as well; but I would say: \u201cDon\u2019t quit. Hang on; fight; and see what God may do.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you need some encouragement to do that, the book is a great source of that encouragement.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Oh, definitely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Go to FamilyLifeToday.com. You can get a copy of Kyle Idleman\u2019s book, <em>Don\u2019t Give Up<\/em>:<em> Faith that Gives You the Confidence to Keep Believing and the Courage to Keep Going.<\/em> We\u2019ve got copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. Order from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d The title of the book, again: <em>Don\u2019t Give Up.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have to read a note we got recently from a woman in Central America who wrote to us. This is a woman who, I would say she had given up as a mom. She wrote and said, \u201cI have had a habit of abusing my own son.\u201d She said: \u201cMy mom abused me. I heard God say, \u2018You have a new beginning. You\u2019re not like your mother.\u2019\u201d This woman had gone to see our movie, <em>Like Arrows<\/em>, in Central America and has now begun to go through the<em> Art of Parenting<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series and is getting help and hope for how she lives as a mom to her son. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI read that; I got excited. First of all, I got excited because I know some of our listeners were a part of helping us be able to translate <em>Like Arrows<\/em> and the<em> Art of Parenting<\/em> into Spanish. Of course, right now, we\u2019re hoping to raise the funds necessary to be able to translate these resources into Arabic and into Mandarin, where we\u2019ve had people coming to us, saying, \u201cHow can we get these tools in our language?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had some friends of the ministry, recently, who came to us and said, \u201cWe want to accelerate, not only what is happening with the<em> Art of Parenting<\/em>, but <em>all <\/em>that is happening through FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. They agreed, during the month of August, they would match every donation we receive from listeners, dollar for dollar, up to a total of $500,000. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith projects like the translation of the <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> video series\/other things we\u2019re involved with, we\u2019re hoping, this month, to be able to take full advantage of this matching-gift opportunity. That\u2019s why we want to ask you: \u201cWill you be a part of extending the reach of FamilyLife so that more moms and dads\/more husbands and wives can get the kind of practical biblical help and hope they need for their marriage and for their family?\u201d Would you make a donation this month? You can do it easily, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKeep in mind your donation will be matched, dollar for dollar, <em>and<\/em> we\u2019ll send you a thank-you gift. We want to send you a copy of Dennis and Barbara Rainey\u2019s book, <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em>. You can either keep it for yourself or pass it on to someone you know. It\u2019s our way of saying: \u201cThank you for your partnership with us and helping us effectively develop godly families and marriages all around the world. We\u2019re grateful to have you on the team.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you can join us back tomorrow. We\u2019re going to talk about why anxiety is one of the things that causes us to lose heart and to give up. We\u2019ll talk about that with Kyle Idleman tomorrow. I hope you can be with us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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