{"id":305257,"date":"2019-08-09T06:00:04","date_gmt":"2019-08-09T10:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-pressure-of-difficulties\/"},"modified":"2019-08-09T06:00:04","modified_gmt":"2019-08-09T10:00:04","slug":"the-pressure-of-difficulties","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-pressure-of-difficulties\/","title":{"rendered":"The Pressure of Difficulties"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Shelby Abbott reminds listeners that the gospel has solutions for everyday pressures. 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Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. The instant culture we\u2019re living in is not only having a negative effect on character, it\u2019s also leaving a lot of college-aged young people really stressed out. We\u2019re going to talk with Shelby Abbott about that today. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know what I remember about my freshman year in college? Two things I remember\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I can\u2019t wait to hear. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I remember going to see a movie on a Tuesday night\u2014a school night\u2014I could go out on my own\u2014I didn\u2019t have to ask anybody. I could go to the movies on a school night. I didn\u2019t even care about the movie. I just wanted to go to a movie on a school night. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Freedom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. And I remember the first time at 10 o\u2019clock at night, I was hungry, and there was a place nearby that would deliver pizza at 10 o\u2019clock at night. I was like\u2014\u201cI am living the dream. I can go to the movies on a Tuesday night. I can order pizza at 10.\u201d I mean, how much better does it get than that? Do you remember the feeling of, like\u2014\u201cThere are things I can do that I was never able to do before?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I just was sad I didn\u2019t have a car because at UK we couldn\u2019t have cars our freshman year. I thought, \u201cOh!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Here is what I remember. I think I ordered a pizza every single night. [Laughter] I\u2019m not kidding\u2014every night. I was just like you, Bob. They\u2019re going to bring it to our dorm\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I know. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014and I get to eat anything I want at any time. That was freedom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It was\u2014it was pretty amazing. So, I do remember kind of this\u2014the world is new. There are things about life that I\u2019ve never experienced before. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> With that comes pressure. My daughter\u2014I think if she were here, she would tell you about one of the things she remembers\u2014was getting the credit card that she didn\u2019t tell Mom and Dad about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Whoa. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and then about charging things to the credit card that Mom and Dad didn\u2019t know anything about, and then not being able to pay off the credit card that she had charged things to. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I bet she felt pressure with that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That was the time Mom and Dad got involved when they found out that she couldn\u2019t pay it off. That\u2019s when\u2014yes, we had to have some\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dave:<\/strong> What did you do? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Did she pay it off? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s what we did because I detest the whole high, exorbitant interest rate thing. So, I said, \u201cHere\u2019s how this is going to work. You are paying me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And I paid the credit card, and she paid me back\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> 38 percent? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014from\u2014I charged her a little\u2014no. [Laughter] I kept her out of that, but those are the kinds of pressures and lessons. We\u2019re talking about this because the college experience can be an invigorating experience for young people. It can be life altering in either positive or negative ways for young people and can be full of pressure which is what Shelby Abbott has been addressing with us this week on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us again. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Thanks for having me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Shelby has written a book called <em>Pressure Points<\/em>. The subtitle is <em>A Guide to Navigating Student Stress<\/em>. You hope that this book would help college students understand that stress is not abnormal\u2014and that the real way to address it is not behavior modification\u2014but it\u2019s to understand the gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s a totally different approach when you\u2019re talking about college students who are Christians who follow Jesus. There\u2019s a different level of, kind of, what it means\u2014because you are asking questions, maybe, that other college students are like\u2014\u201cWhat\u2019s my purpose? How do I interact with people well? What happens when hard things happen? How am I going to deal with those in a way that is different than the average college student around me? How am I going to be processing things? What am I going to think about? Where am I going to go to?\u201d <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, my goal is to push them toward the beauty and the truth of the gospel through this book and help them to understand that Jesus provides, not only future help and glory, but present every day, right now\u2014right here\u2014love, guidance, and grace. That\u2019s what I\u2019m going for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s really important that listeners understand what you\u2019ve just said because, for years, here is how I viewed the Gospel\u2014the Gospel is the message that we hear that introduces us to Jesus where we learn about salvation. We respond to it, now we\u2019re children of God\u2014now we move on to other things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Right; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What you\u2019re saying is the Gospel is the message that you need to be reminded of regularly in order to deal with the things that life is throwing at you. It\u2019s not like you need the new message or the different message or the deeper things. That\u2019s almost a gnostic tendency; but you need\u2014you need to be reminded of the Gospel and see how it applies to the fact that you\u2019re facing pressure today or you\u2019ve got relationship stress or whatever it is that is going on in your life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> We\u2019re never Gospel graduates. We never move beyond the \u201csimplicity\u201d of the Gospel. In fact, the book of Hebrews talks about angels staring into the Gospel and never getting bored with it because Jesus didn\u2019t die for the angels\u2014He died for us. They are enamored with that\u2014the thing in which angels long to look. We shouldn\u2019t ever be bored with the Gospel. I heard a pastor once say, \u201cIf you\u2019re bored in your Christian faith, you are doing it wrong.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, helping people to understand that the Gospel isn\u2019t just this message that changed the eternity of my soul\u2014which it is\u2014it\u2019s something that can then affect my daily life in a very real and practical way. I\u2019m a practical guy, and I want to make sure we are dealing with the practical issues that students are going through\u2014not just these ephemeral, spiritual things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s how that functions for me. Every day, I mess up at stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> I believe that. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And so do you; all right? We\u2019ll throw that in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, I need to be reminded every day that there is grace and forgiveness for the messing up I did today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Yes. <br><br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I need to be reminded of that every day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSecondly, I am in need of transformation every day. I need to be a different person than the person I was\u2014and God is at work doing that transforming work. That\u2019s the promise of the gospel. So, I need to remember God is still at work in my life. He\u2019s changing me\u2014so, to remember that every day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I have a hope for whatever I am facing today that looks hopeless\u2014there may be circumstances that look hopeless\u2014but I have a hope that is beyond what my circumstances are presenting to me. So, every day, I need to think about that and remember that. Forgiveness, transformation, and hope are the words that I keep coming back to that say, \u201cIn the daily-ness of life I need to be reminded that the promises of Jesus apply to those areas of my life.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Yes; the gospel is true whether things are great or they\u2019re\u2014things are going poorly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, a lot of this\u2014and I address this a little bit in the book, too\u2014of when hard times come, that\u2019s really where the rubber meets the road. We start to go\u2014\u201cMaybe, it\u2019s not just about I do the Christian life and then God gives me\u2014like a vending machine\u2014blessings the way that I want\u201d\u2014because, many years ago, my wife and I ran this race called the Broad Street Run which is a ten mile race down the center of Philadelphia. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAbout a week after we ran this race, I started to feel this really sharp pain in the back of my leg. I was like\u2014\u201cWhat is this feeling?\u201d I was on a missions\u2019 trip over the summer. So, my doctor couldn\u2019t deal with it at the time. He said, \u201cWhen you get back from the missions\u2019 trip, just come see me.\u201d So, I kind of gritted my teeth through it. It just felt like someone was stabbing an ice pick into the back of my leg. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI went to the doctor. They took some blood to check whether I had Lyme\u2019s Disease. They ran a bunch of tests, did an MRI, and x-rays. It turned out that I had a bulging herniated disc in my L5 and S1 vertebrae that was putting pressure on my sciatic nerve causing the radiating pain down my leg. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe prescribed some anti-inflammatory medication and some physical therapy. I did that\u2014didn\u2019t work. I went for three different series of shots of stuff right into my back. That didn\u2019t work. I went to three different chiropractors. I even went to an acupuncturist, and nothing worked. I went to see the top neurosurgeon at Penn Medicine. He said, \u201cThere\u2019s\u2014everything that I\u2019m seeing on your MRI here would not communicate to me that I need to do surgery. In fact, you can go into surgery and even come out with more pain.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, ten years later, I\u2019ve been living with chronic pain\u2014something that I never would have chosen for myself. I never would have looked at a list of ways I could suffer and go\u2014\u201cI\u2019ll take physical pain.\u201d That\u2019s what I\u2019ve been dealing with. Like I said, when your faith rubs up against the reality of pain and suffering and difficulty, you start to look at your relationship with God and the nature of the gospel in ways that you never did before. You start to examine, \u201cWhat do I really believe about God? What do I really think He wants from me? What do I think He is really capable of doing in my life?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve been able to\u2014not only identify with Christ sufferings in that way\u2014but students are going through hard things themselves. They\u2019re losing parents to cancer. I know students who have gone through their parents getting a divorce\u2014failing out of school\u2014there\u2019s a number of different things that they experience in terms of hardships. How are they going to deal with that in a real way that\u2019s biblical, that draws them closer to God and helps them to see that the gospel is applicable in their lives in the good times and in the bad? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Talk personally about the gospel in your situation applied to that pain\u2014because what a beautiful illustration\u2014easy for me to say. I had the surgery\u2014the pain went away. I know that physical pain; but looking at you, I would not know you have that pain. Looking at college students\u2014most people\u2014the pain is hidden. So, how do you apply the gospel practically to that pain? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> What I realized, kind of, maybe, eight years into\u2014so way too late\u2014was that I had been living most of my life as when something difficult happens, my immediate, knee-jerk reaction was to look at it and say, \u201cWhen is this going to end?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> \u201cWhere is the light at the end of the tunnel? When is this going to stop?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat this experience did was help me not so much look toward the end of the race, so to speak, when things will be over\u2014but look to the side to be able to see Jesus running alongside me in this race with me every step of the way with understanding in His eyes\u2014because He gets it. Then I would be so enamored my relationship with Him that\u2014as He runs alongside me\u2014that I wouldn\u2019t even really know whether or not I even crossed the finish line because life with God is really what the goal of Christian life should be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s not like\u2014\u201cHey, when will you make this better\u201d\u2014because I discovered, in my own heart, at least\u2014and I\u2019m not saying that for everyone who suffers\u2014but in my own heart, I wanted God for what He could give me\u2014what He could bless me with\u2014as opposed to God Himself. I wanted the blessings of God more than I wanted a relationship with God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis suffering has led me to a point where I\u2019ve been able to\u2014number one\u2014admit that; but then come to a conclusion that says, \u201cYou know what? A life with God is better than a life without Him where everything feels fine.\u201d Plus, I get to identify in Christ\u2019s sufferings in a way that draws me closer to Him\u2014and that\u2019s helped me to feel even more special in the fact that I\u2019m suffering in a way that helps me to see God in ways that I never would have before if I had not suffered. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I talk to many people that, when they envision Jesus running beside them, they are angry with Him and accusing Him for allowing this suffering. How would you respond to that because you went the opposite? You\u2019re saying, \u201cI need You to run beside me. I\u2019m seeing You. I\u2019m watching You. I\u2019m walking in the truth of the gospel.\u201d What do you say when someone says, \u201cHe caused this,\u201d or \u201cHe let this happen in my life.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Yes; I think it\u2019s\u2014maybe\u2014a perspective\u2014and I didn\u2019t get it right away. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember like standing in my bathroom with my head buried in the towels hung from the towel rack just crying my eyes out when one the injections that was in my back that the doctor accidentally clipped the nerve and it spasmed for, like, two days\u2014it was the most excruciating pain I\u2019ve ever been in in my life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI realized in that moment as I was crying, I was like\u2014\u201cGod, take this away. Why are You doing this <em>to<\/em> me? Why are You doing this <em>to<\/em> me\u2014instead of helping me to get better so that I could really do ministry better\u2014do life better\u2014be a better husband\u2014better father\u2014all that kind of stuff?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the realization I came to was that He graciously ushers those things into our lives as a means to help us kick ourselves off the thrown of our lives\u2014to help us realize that <em>He<\/em> is the one who is in charge. God is the ultimate desire of our hearts. When in reality most of the time, what we settle for is a sugar substitute. It\u2019s that perspective where you need to back up and go\u2014\u201cOkay; I definitely want to be pain free more than I want a relationship with God.\u201d Well, that immediately reveals the idol of your heart. It really does. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe idol is there. The idol needs to be executed\u2014it needs to be killed. Now, I look at stories like\u2014from when the Israelites are waiting for Moses to come down from Mt. Sinai with the Ten Commandments and after a while, they are like\u2014\u201cWe need a god to worship.\u201d Aaron is like\u2014\u201cAll right; give me your earrings and your necklaces. I\u2019ll go ahead and fashion a golden calf. By the way, this golden calf that I made\u2014he\u2019s the one who brought you out of Egypt.\u201d \u201cYAY!\u201d 40 days\u2014that is all it took\u201440 days for them to completely abandon God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI read that, and then I go\u2014\u201cThey are so stupid!\u201d But then, I go\u2014\u201cOh, wait. <em>I\u2019m<\/em> so stupid!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Yes. \u201cI\u2019m so stupid. I want to worship a life of comfort and ease and painlessness more than I want to worship God, Himself.\u201d God was gracious enough and kind enough to me to not allow me to experience a life without pain before I got in my heart that I wanted Him more. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I remember the night before my back surgery, gripped with fear\u2014and for whatever reason\u2014I felt like God led me to Psalm 34. I remember\u2014I\u2019ll never forget this moment. I\u2019m lying there, and I\u2019m just\u2014in the quietness, I read this\u2014\u201cI will bless the Lord at all times. His praise shall continually be in mouth.\u201d I\u2019m like\u2014\u201cNope. Not me.\u201d That\u2019s what I thought. I\u2019m like\u2014\u201cI can\u2019t praise You right now. I just want You to do what You do. You\u2019re God. That\u2019s what You\u2019re supposed to do. Heal this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen it says, \u201cMy soul makes its boasts in the Lord. Let the humble hear and be glad.\u201d I\u2019m like\u2014\u201cNope.\u201d That\u2019s where I was. \u201cOh, magnify the Lord with me. Let us exalt His name together.\u201d I still was like\u2014\u201cI just can\u2019t get there.\u201d Then I read verse four\u2014\u201cI sought the Lord, and He answered me and delivered me from all my fears.\u201d I\u2019m like\u2014\u201cThat\u2019s why I\u2019m reading Psalm 34 right now\u2014I am gripped with fear. Who is going to remove that?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was\u2014He\u2019s right here. Just turn to the side. What you just said\u2014He\u2019s going to heal me in a different way through a surgeon with a beautiful gift called medical science\u2014and He\u2019s right here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen I\u2019ll never forget as I got down to verse 18: \u201cThe Lord is near the brokenhearted and saves the crushed in spirit.\u201d I remember just praying and just saying, \u201cOkay, God, we get to go through this tomorrow together, and I know you\u2019re with me. I think I\u2019m going to be better man because of this pressure and this pain that I\u2019ve seen You meet me in and through it.\u201d I was applying\u2014in your words\u2014the gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> He\u2019s right here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> One of the things that has really helped me to understand what I truly believe about my relationship with God is the way I\u2019m able to explain stuff to my children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have an eight-year-old and a five-year-old. About a year ago, I had this growth that was on my neck\u2014like this bump. So, we scheduled an appointment and went in. It was like outpatient. Right there in the doctor\u2019s office, they just numbed it, cut it, put two stiches in, and then I was done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll never forget. Later on that day, I went to pick up my daughter from gymnastics; and I told them about the surgery I had that they cut open my neck and they took this thing out. My five-year-old goes\u2014\u201cThe doctor cut your neck.\u201d I was like\u2014\u201cYes; he did.\u201d She goes\u2014\u201cDid you forgive him?\u201d I was like\u2014\u201cSweetie, I love your heart\u2014but no, I didn\u2019t need to forgive him because he\u2019s my doctor. He cares about me. He wants what\u2019s best for me. Sometimes, when we want to get better, sometimes, that means surgery\u2014but we trust the one who takes care of that for us because it\u2019s a process.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember lying in bed and praying those things, too, when my leg was throbbing: \u201cLord, You can do this right now if You wanted to. You could take it away right now. Would You please do that?\u201d\u2014begging and just saying, \u201cPlease You can. Why won\u2019t You? You can. Why won\u2019t You?\u201d\u2014and recognizing that God is with you in those times whether they be excruciating physical pain or emotional pain or the pain of the fact that you are failing a class. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRegardless of what someone is going through, there\u2019s always going to be difficulty in the lives of people who they could compare and say, \u201cOh, well, I\u2019ve got it off worse than you do\u201d\u2014but talking to college students and recognizing that\u2014\u201cHey, your pain is legitimate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThings are going to be hard, and they may seem fine right now, but they are going to be hard. Where are you going to go when the pressure hits? You can run to your old ways of coping with things, or you could run to the open embrace of the grace of the gospel of Jesus Christ.\u201d That\u2019s where I\u2019m encouraging people to go. That\u2019s where I want people to run. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m just looking at the whole last section of your book, <em>Pressure Points<\/em>, and the third section is about difficulties and how that brings pressure into our lives. I\u2019m hearing you say it also brings character development\u2014it also brings sanctification\u2014to use the theological term\u2014it\u2019s a good gift from God even in the midst of what we\u2019re going through; and God is drawing us to Himself. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe says, \u201cThough you walk through the valley of the shadow\u2014I am with you.\u201d He doesn\u2019t say, \u201cI will keep you out of the valley of the shadow.\u201d He says, \u201cI\u2019ll go through it with you, and we\u2019re going to go through some hard places and some hard times and some painful things\u2014but I\u2019ll be there, and it\u2019ll be for your good and I\u2019ll get glory for it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Patience is never built quickly. It\u2019s never, ever built quickly. It\u2019s one of those things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, I wish it was; don\u2019t you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Yes; I do. It\u2019s one of those things that\u2014especially in today\u2019s culture, too, we\u2019re used to getting things immediately. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI quote this one guy, Simon Senik, who is kind of a cultural guru right now. He\u2019s like\u2014\u201cYoung people today don\u2019t need to wait for anything. If you want to watch a movie, you log online and watch a movie\u2014you don\u2019t go to the theater. If you want to buy something, you don\u2019t go to the store\u2014you order it on Amazon, and it arrives the next day. If you want music, you get it immediately. If you want a date, even\u2014and I\u2019ve addressed this before\u2014you just swipe right. Boom\u2014you\u2019re done.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut there is no app for character. There is no app for integrity. That\u2019s one of the things that young people need to realize in a way. It will determine the course of their future. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou mentioned, like, where people are going to run\u2014and it reminded me of when the 72 come back to Jesus after they\u2019ve done all these crazy things in His name and then He says, \u201cEat my flesh and drink my blood.\u201d Everybody is like\u2014\u201cWhat?! You\u2019re a weirdo. We\u2019re out of here.\u201d They run away. Then, as they go away, He spins on His heels and looks at the disciples\u2014the twelve and says, \u201cWhat about you? Are you going to leave too?\u201d Peter goes\u2014\u201cWhere else am I going to go? You have the words of eternal life.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy hope is that with this book\u2014regardless of what hits and the pressure points of life\u2014whether it be purpose, relationships, or difficulties\u2014that we would look to Jesus and go\u2014\u201cWhere else am I going to go because You have the words of eternal life.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, really, for our kids, it starts in elementary\u2014maybe middle school\u2014high school\u2014but they start to experience difficulties and rejection and challenges and pain. Part of God\u2019s design for them is to take them through those moments to teach them to lean on Him and to trust Him. It\u2019s where you point college students in the book, <em>Pressure Points<\/em>, which, again, we want to commend to listeners. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is a great book for young people to go through as they\u2019re headed toward the college campus or in their first semester to go through it with other students and campus ministry. We\u2019ve got copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can go online to order your copy. Shelby, again, thank you for taking time to be with us and to talk about this today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> As Chick-fil-A says, \u201cMy pleasure.\u201d [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to get a copy of Shelby\u2019s book, <em>Pressure Points<\/em>. Order it from us online, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to order. Again, our website, FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014or order by calling 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know David Robbins, the President of FamilyLife who is joining us here\u2014I know you have known Shelby Abbott who has been on the program with us today. You\u2019ve known him for a while, and you are really a fan of his; aren\u2019t you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes. I mean I\u2019m a fan because he really is effective with the next generation. I have watched him with college students and with 20-somethings and how he ministers and effectively pushes people to Jesus. People really surrender and really grow and form and disciple under some of his tools and his resources of ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think one of the things Shelby does\u2014that really all of us can do\u2014is that he simply believes in the next generation. He believes that Ephesians 2:10 is for them. He doesn\u2019t belittle the next generation. He goes\u2014\u201cOkay; you are God\u2019s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus, and He has prepared in advance things for you to step into.\u201d That is his posture to them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe really takes Psalm 145 seriously of one generation commending God\u2019s works to the next generation. You know many of us have kids who are millennials or Gen Z or people in your church that God\u2019s put around you\u2014and they so long for people to invest in them. I think we, sometimes, need to shift our posture to really believing God has His hand on this generation just like He\u2019s had His hand on our generation. He wants His ways to be known and to be declared. Let\u2019s call out the best in them, not just be frustrated with them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Shelby models that for us, and hopefully, we can all follow that model\u2014that example. Thank you, David. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith that, we\u2019re done for the week. Thanks for joining us. Hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend. Then I hope you can join us back on Monday. We\u2019re going to talk about the importance of perseverance in every aspect of life\u2014but particularly in your marriage and in your family. Kyle Idleman joins us to talk about that\u2014about not giving up. I hope you can be with us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Have a great weekend. We will see you Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. 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Abbott tells of a time when the pain from a herniated disc had him scrambling to understand the character of God.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2019-08-09.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, August 9<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. The instant culture we\u2019re living in is not only having a negative effect on character, it\u2019s also leaving a lot of college-aged young people really stressed out. We\u2019re going to talk with Shelby Abbott about that today. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know what I remember about my freshman year in college? Two things I remember\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I can\u2019t wait to hear. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I remember going to see a movie on a Tuesday night\u2014a school night\u2014I could go out on my own\u2014I didn\u2019t have to ask anybody. I could go to the movies on a school night. I didn\u2019t even care about the movie. I just wanted to go to a movie on a school night. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Freedom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. And I remember the first time at 10 o\u2019clock at night, I was hungry, and there was a place nearby that would deliver pizza at 10 o\u2019clock at night. I was like\u2014\u201cI am living the dream. I can go to the movies on a Tuesday night. I can order pizza at 10.\u201d I mean, how much better does it get than that? Do you remember the feeling of, like\u2014\u201cThere are things I can do that I was never able to do before?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I just was sad I didn\u2019t have a car because at UK we couldn\u2019t have cars our freshman year. I thought, \u201cOh!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Here is what I remember. I think I ordered a pizza every single night. [Laughter] I\u2019m not kidding\u2014every night. I was just like you, Bob. They\u2019re going to bring it to our dorm\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I know. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> \u2014and I get to eat anything I want at any time. That was freedom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It was\u2014it was pretty amazing. So, I do remember kind of this\u2014the world is new. There are things about life that I\u2019ve never experienced before. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> With that comes pressure. My daughter\u2014I think if she were here, she would tell you about one of the things she remembers\u2014was getting the credit card that she didn\u2019t tell Mom and Dad about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Whoa. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and then about charging things to the credit card that Mom and Dad didn\u2019t know anything about, and then not being able to pay off the credit card that she had charged things to. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I bet she felt pressure with that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That was the time Mom and Dad got involved when they found out that she couldn\u2019t pay it off. That\u2019s when\u2014yes, we had to have some\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dave:<\/strong> What did you do? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Did she pay it off? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s what we did because I detest the whole high, exorbitant interest rate thing. So, I said, \u201cHere\u2019s how this is going to work. You are paying me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And I paid the credit card, and she paid me back\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> 38 percent? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014from\u2014I charged her a little\u2014no. [Laughter] I kept her out of that, but those are the kinds of pressures and lessons. We\u2019re talking about this because the college experience can be an invigorating experience for young people. It can be life altering in either positive or negative ways for young people and can be full of pressure which is what Shelby Abbott has been addressing with us this week on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us again. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Thanks for having me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Shelby has written a book called <em>Pressure Points<\/em>. The subtitle is <em>A Guide to Navigating Student Stress<\/em>. You hope that this book would help college students understand that stress is not abnormal\u2014and that the real way to address it is not behavior modification\u2014but it\u2019s to understand the gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s a totally different approach when you\u2019re talking about college students who are Christians who follow Jesus. There\u2019s a different level of, kind of, what it means\u2014because you are asking questions, maybe, that other college students are like\u2014\u201cWhat\u2019s my purpose? How do I interact with people well? What happens when hard things happen? How am I going to deal with those in a way that is different than the average college student around me? How am I going to be processing things? What am I going to think about? Where am I going to go to?\u201d <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, my goal is to push them toward the beauty and the truth of the gospel through this book and help them to understand that Jesus provides, not only future help and glory, but present every day, right now\u2014right here\u2014love, guidance, and grace. That\u2019s what I\u2019m going for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s really important that listeners understand what you\u2019ve just said because, for years, here is how I viewed the Gospel\u2014the Gospel is the message that we hear that introduces us to Jesus where we learn about salvation. We respond to it, now we\u2019re children of God\u2014now we move on to other things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Right; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What you\u2019re saying is the Gospel is the message that you need to be reminded of regularly in order to deal with the things that life is throwing at you. It\u2019s not like you need the new message or the different message or the deeper things. That\u2019s almost a gnostic tendency; but you need\u2014you need to be reminded of the Gospel and see how it applies to the fact that you\u2019re facing pressure today or you\u2019ve got relationship stress or whatever it is that is going on in your life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> We\u2019re never Gospel graduates. We never move beyond the \u201csimplicity\u201d of the Gospel. In fact, the book of Hebrews talks about angels staring into the Gospel and never getting bored with it because Jesus didn\u2019t die for the angels\u2014He died for us. They are enamored with that\u2014the thing in which angels long to look. We shouldn\u2019t ever be bored with the Gospel. I heard a pastor once say, \u201cIf you\u2019re bored in your Christian faith, you are doing it wrong.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, helping people to understand that the Gospel isn\u2019t just this message that changed the eternity of my soul\u2014which it is\u2014it\u2019s something that can then affect my daily life in a very real and practical way. I\u2019m a practical guy, and I want to make sure we are dealing with the practical issues that students are going through\u2014not just these ephemeral, spiritual things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s how that functions for me. 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He\u2019s changing me\u2014so, to remember that every day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I have a hope for whatever I am facing today that looks hopeless\u2014there may be circumstances that look hopeless\u2014but I have a hope that is beyond what my circumstances are presenting to me. So, every day, I need to think about that and remember that. Forgiveness, transformation, and hope are the words that I keep coming back to that say, \u201cIn the daily-ness of life I need to be reminded that the promises of Jesus apply to those areas of my life.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Yes; the gospel is true whether things are great or they\u2019re\u2014things are going poorly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, a lot of this\u2014and I address this a little bit in the book, too\u2014of when hard times come, that\u2019s really where the rubber meets the road. We start to go\u2014\u201cMaybe, it\u2019s not just about I do the Christian life and then God gives me\u2014like a vending machine\u2014blessings the way that I want\u201d\u2014because, many years ago, my wife and I ran this race called the Broad Street Run which is a ten mile race down the center of Philadelphia. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAbout a week after we ran this race, I started to feel this really sharp pain in the back of my leg. I was like\u2014\u201cWhat is this feeling?\u201d I was on a missions\u2019 trip over the summer. So, my doctor couldn\u2019t deal with it at the time. He said, \u201cWhen you get back from the missions\u2019 trip, just come see me.\u201d So, I kind of gritted my teeth through it. It just felt like someone was stabbing an ice pick into the back of my leg. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI went to the doctor. They took some blood to check whether I had Lyme\u2019s Disease. They ran a bunch of tests, did an MRI, and x-rays. It turned out that I had a bulging herniated disc in my L5 and S1 vertebrae that was putting pressure on my sciatic nerve causing the radiating pain down my leg. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe prescribed some anti-inflammatory medication and some physical therapy. I did that\u2014didn\u2019t work. I went for three different series of shots of stuff right into my back. That didn\u2019t work. I went to three different chiropractors. I even went to an acupuncturist, and nothing worked. I went to see the top neurosurgeon at Penn Medicine. He said, \u201cThere\u2019s\u2014everything that I\u2019m seeing on your MRI here would not communicate to me that I need to do surgery. In fact, you can go into surgery and even come out with more pain.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, ten years later, I\u2019ve been living with chronic pain\u2014something that I never would have chosen for myself. I never would have looked at a list of ways I could suffer and go\u2014\u201cI\u2019ll take physical pain.\u201d That\u2019s what I\u2019ve been dealing with. Like I said, when your faith rubs up against the reality of pain and suffering and difficulty, you start to look at your relationship with God and the nature of the gospel in ways that you never did before. You start to examine, \u201cWhat do I really believe about God? What do I really think He wants from me? What do I think He is really capable of doing in my life?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve been able to\u2014not only identify with Christ sufferings in that way\u2014but students are going through hard things themselves. They\u2019re losing parents to cancer. I know students who have gone through their parents getting a divorce\u2014failing out of school\u2014there\u2019s a number of different things that they experience in terms of hardships. How are they going to deal with that in a real way that\u2019s biblical, that draws them closer to God and helps them to see that the gospel is applicable in their lives in the good times and in the bad? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Talk personally about the gospel in your situation applied to that pain\u2014because what a beautiful illustration\u2014easy for me to say. I had the surgery\u2014the pain went away. I know that physical pain; but looking at you, I would not know you have that pain. Looking at college students\u2014most people\u2014the pain is hidden. So, how do you apply the gospel practically to that pain? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> What I realized, kind of, maybe, eight years into\u2014so way too late\u2014was that I had been living most of my life as when something difficult happens, my immediate, knee-jerk reaction was to look at it and say, \u201cWhen is this going to end?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> \u201cWhere is the light at the end of the tunnel? When is this going to stop?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat this experience did was help me not so much look toward the end of the race, so to speak, when things will be over\u2014but look to the side to be able to see Jesus running alongside me in this race with me every step of the way with understanding in His eyes\u2014because He gets it. Then I would be so enamored my relationship with Him that\u2014as He runs alongside me\u2014that I wouldn\u2019t even really know whether or not I even crossed the finish line because life with God is really what the goal of Christian life should be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s not like\u2014\u201cHey, when will you make this better\u201d\u2014because I discovered, in my own heart, at least\u2014and I\u2019m not saying that for everyone who suffers\u2014but in my own heart, I wanted God for what He could give me\u2014what He could bless me with\u2014as opposed to God Himself. I wanted the blessings of God more than I wanted a relationship with God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis suffering has led me to a point where I\u2019ve been able to\u2014number one\u2014admit that; but then come to a conclusion that says, \u201cYou know what? A life with God is better than a life without Him where everything feels fine.\u201d Plus, I get to identify in Christ\u2019s sufferings in a way that draws me closer to Him\u2014and that\u2019s helped me to feel even more special in the fact that I\u2019m suffering in a way that helps me to see God in ways that I never would have before if I had not suffered. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I talk to many people that, when they envision Jesus running beside them, they are angry with Him and accusing Him for allowing this suffering. How would you respond to that because you went the opposite? You\u2019re saying, \u201cI need You to run beside me. I\u2019m seeing You. I\u2019m watching You. I\u2019m walking in the truth of the gospel.\u201d What do you say when someone says, \u201cHe caused this,\u201d or \u201cHe let this happen in my life.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Yes; I think it\u2019s\u2014maybe\u2014a perspective\u2014and I didn\u2019t get it right away. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember like standing in my bathroom with my head buried in the towels hung from the towel rack just crying my eyes out when one the injections that was in my back that the doctor accidentally clipped the nerve and it spasmed for, like, two days\u2014it was the most excruciating pain I\u2019ve ever been in in my life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI realized in that moment as I was crying, I was like\u2014\u201cGod, take this away. Why are You doing this <em>to<\/em> me? Why are You doing this <em>to<\/em> me\u2014instead of helping me to get better so that I could really do ministry better\u2014do life better\u2014be a better husband\u2014better father\u2014all that kind of stuff?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the realization I came to was that He graciously ushers those things into our lives as a means to help us kick ourselves off the thrown of our lives\u2014to help us realize that <em>He<\/em> is the one who is in charge. God is the ultimate desire of our hearts. When in reality most of the time, what we settle for is a sugar substitute. It\u2019s that perspective where you need to back up and go\u2014\u201cOkay; I definitely want to be pain free more than I want a relationship with God.\u201d Well, that immediately reveals the idol of your heart. It really does. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe idol is there. The idol needs to be executed\u2014it needs to be killed. Now, I look at stories like\u2014from when the Israelites are waiting for Moses to come down from Mt. Sinai with the Ten Commandments and after a while, they are like\u2014\u201cWe need a god to worship.\u201d Aaron is like\u2014\u201cAll right; give me your earrings and your necklaces. I\u2019ll go ahead and fashion a golden calf. By the way, this golden calf that I made\u2014he\u2019s the one who brought you out of Egypt.\u201d \u201cYAY!\u201d 40 days\u2014that is all it took\u201440 days for them to completely abandon God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI read that, and then I go\u2014\u201cThey are so stupid!\u201d But then, I go\u2014\u201cOh, wait. <em>I\u2019m<\/em> so stupid!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Yes. \u201cI\u2019m so stupid. I want to worship a life of comfort and ease and painlessness more than I want to worship God, Himself.\u201d God was gracious enough and kind enough to me to not allow me to experience a life without pain before I got in my heart that I wanted Him more. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I remember the night before my back surgery, gripped with fear\u2014and for whatever reason\u2014I felt like God led me to Psalm 34. I remember\u2014I\u2019ll never forget this moment. I\u2019m lying there, and I\u2019m just\u2014in the quietness, I read this\u2014\u201cI will bless the Lord at all times. His praise shall continually be in mouth.\u201d I\u2019m like\u2014\u201cNope. Not me.\u201d That\u2019s what I thought. I\u2019m like\u2014\u201cI can\u2019t praise You right now. I just want You to do what You do. You\u2019re God. That\u2019s what You\u2019re supposed to do. Heal this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen it says, \u201cMy soul makes its boasts in the Lord. Let the humble hear and be glad.\u201d I\u2019m like\u2014\u201cNope.\u201d That\u2019s where I was. \u201cOh, magnify the Lord with me. Let us exalt His name together.\u201d I still was like\u2014\u201cI just can\u2019t get there.\u201d Then I read verse four\u2014\u201cI sought the Lord, and He answered me and delivered me from all my fears.\u201d I\u2019m like\u2014\u201cThat\u2019s why I\u2019m reading Psalm 34 right now\u2014I am gripped with fear. Who is going to remove that?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was\u2014He\u2019s right here. Just turn to the side. What you just said\u2014He\u2019s going to heal me in a different way through a surgeon with a beautiful gift called medical science\u2014and He\u2019s right here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen I\u2019ll never forget as I got down to verse 18: \u201cThe Lord is near the brokenhearted and saves the crushed in spirit.\u201d I remember just praying and just saying, \u201cOkay, God, we get to go through this tomorrow together, and I know you\u2019re with me. I think I\u2019m going to be better man because of this pressure and this pain that I\u2019ve seen You meet me in and through it.\u201d I was applying\u2014in your words\u2014the gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> He\u2019s right here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> One of the things that has really helped me to understand what I truly believe about my relationship with God is the way I\u2019m able to explain stuff to my children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have an eight-year-old and a five-year-old. About a year ago, I had this growth that was on my neck\u2014like this bump. So, we scheduled an appointment and went in. It was like outpatient. Right there in the doctor\u2019s office, they just numbed it, cut it, put two stiches in, and then I was done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll never forget. Later on that day, I went to pick up my daughter from gymnastics; and I told them about the surgery I had that they cut open my neck and they took this thing out. My five-year-old goes\u2014\u201cThe doctor cut your neck.\u201d I was like\u2014\u201cYes; he did.\u201d She goes\u2014\u201cDid you forgive him?\u201d I was like\u2014\u201cSweetie, I love your heart\u2014but no, I didn\u2019t need to forgive him because he\u2019s my doctor. He cares about me. He wants what\u2019s best for me. Sometimes, when we want to get better, sometimes, that means surgery\u2014but we trust the one who takes care of that for us because it\u2019s a process.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember lying in bed and praying those things, too, when my leg was throbbing: \u201cLord, You can do this right now if You wanted to. You could take it away right now. Would You please do that?\u201d\u2014begging and just saying, \u201cPlease You can. Why won\u2019t You? You can. Why won\u2019t You?\u201d\u2014and recognizing that God is with you in those times whether they be excruciating physical pain or emotional pain or the pain of the fact that you are failing a class. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRegardless of what someone is going through, there\u2019s always going to be difficulty in the lives of people who they could compare and say, \u201cOh, well, I\u2019ve got it off worse than you do\u201d\u2014but talking to college students and recognizing that\u2014\u201cHey, your pain is legitimate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThings are going to be hard, and they may seem fine right now, but they are going to be hard. Where are you going to go when the pressure hits? You can run to your old ways of coping with things, or you could run to the open embrace of the grace of the gospel of Jesus Christ.\u201d That\u2019s where I\u2019m encouraging people to go. That\u2019s where I want people to run. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m just looking at the whole last section of your book, <em>Pressure Points<\/em>, and the third section is about difficulties and how that brings pressure into our lives. I\u2019m hearing you say it also brings character development\u2014it also brings sanctification\u2014to use the theological term\u2014it\u2019s a good gift from God even in the midst of what we\u2019re going through; and God is drawing us to Himself. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe says, \u201cThough you walk through the valley of the shadow\u2014I am with you.\u201d He doesn\u2019t say, \u201cI will keep you out of the valley of the shadow.\u201d He says, \u201cI\u2019ll go through it with you, and we\u2019re going to go through some hard places and some hard times and some painful things\u2014but I\u2019ll be there, and it\u2019ll be for your good and I\u2019ll get glory for it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Patience is never built quickly. It\u2019s never, ever built quickly. It\u2019s one of those things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Oh, I wish it was; don\u2019t you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> Yes; I do. It\u2019s one of those things that\u2014especially in today\u2019s culture, too, we\u2019re used to getting things immediately. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI quote this one guy, Simon Senik, who is kind of a cultural guru right now. He\u2019s like\u2014\u201cYoung people today don\u2019t need to wait for anything. If you want to watch a movie, you log online and watch a movie\u2014you don\u2019t go to the theater. If you want to buy something, you don\u2019t go to the store\u2014you order it on Amazon, and it arrives the next day. If you want music, you get it immediately. If you want a date, even\u2014and I\u2019ve addressed this before\u2014you just swipe right. Boom\u2014you\u2019re done.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut there is no app for character. There is no app for integrity. That\u2019s one of the things that young people need to realize in a way. It will determine the course of their future. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou mentioned, like, where people are going to run\u2014and it reminded me of when the 72 come back to Jesus after they\u2019ve done all these crazy things in His name and then He says, \u201cEat my flesh and drink my blood.\u201d Everybody is like\u2014\u201cWhat?! You\u2019re a weirdo. We\u2019re out of here.\u201d They run away. Then, as they go away, He spins on His heels and looks at the disciples\u2014the twelve and says, \u201cWhat about you? Are you going to leave too?\u201d Peter goes\u2014\u201cWhere else am I going to go? You have the words of eternal life.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy hope is that with this book\u2014regardless of what hits and the pressure points of life\u2014whether it be purpose, relationships, or difficulties\u2014that we would look to Jesus and go\u2014\u201cWhere else am I going to go because You have the words of eternal life.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, really, for our kids, it starts in elementary\u2014maybe middle school\u2014high school\u2014but they start to experience difficulties and rejection and challenges and pain. Part of God\u2019s design for them is to take them through those moments to teach them to lean on Him and to trust Him. It\u2019s where you point college students in the book, <em>Pressure Points<\/em>, which, again, we want to commend to listeners. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is a great book for young people to go through as they\u2019re headed toward the college campus or in their first semester to go through it with other students and campus ministry. We\u2019ve got copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can go online to order your copy. Shelby, again, thank you for taking time to be with us and to talk about this today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Shelby:<\/strong> As Chick-fil-A says, \u201cMy pleasure.\u201d [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to get a copy of Shelby\u2019s book, <em>Pressure Points<\/em>. Order it from us online, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to order. Again, our website, FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014or order by calling 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know David Robbins, the President of FamilyLife who is joining us here\u2014I know you have known Shelby Abbott who has been on the program with us today. You\u2019ve known him for a while, and you are really a fan of his; aren\u2019t you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong> Yes. I mean I\u2019m a fan because he really is effective with the next generation. I have watched him with college students and with 20-somethings and how he ministers and effectively pushes people to Jesus. People really surrender and really grow and form and disciple under some of his tools and his resources of ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think one of the things Shelby does\u2014that really all of us can do\u2014is that he simply believes in the next generation. He believes that Ephesians 2:10 is for them. He doesn\u2019t belittle the next generation. He goes\u2014\u201cOkay; you are God\u2019s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus, and He has prepared in advance things for you to step into.\u201d That is his posture to them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe really takes Psalm 145 seriously of one generation commending God\u2019s works to the next generation. You know many of us have kids who are millennials or Gen Z or people in your church that God\u2019s put around you\u2014and they so long for people to invest in them. I think we, sometimes, need to shift our posture to really believing God has His hand on this generation just like He\u2019s had His hand on our generation. He wants His ways to be known and to be declared. Let\u2019s call out the best in them, not just be frustrated with them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Shelby models that for us, and hopefully, we can all follow that model\u2014that example. Thank you, David. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith that, we\u2019re done for the week. Thanks for joining us. Hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend. Then I hope you can join us back on Monday. We\u2019re going to talk about the importance of perseverance in every aspect of life\u2014but particularly in your marriage and in your family. Kyle Idleman joins us to talk about that\u2014about not giving up. I hope you can be with us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our hosts, Dave and Ann Wilson, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Have a great weekend. We will see you Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. Help for today. 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