{"id":305247,"date":"2019-08-06T06:00:04","date_gmt":"2019-08-06T10:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/take-our-advice-stay-in-school\/"},"modified":"2019-08-06T06:00:04","modified_gmt":"2019-08-06T10:00:04","slug":"take-our-advice-stay-in-school","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/take-our-advice-stay-in-school\/","title":{"rendered":"Take Our Advice &#8211; Stay in School"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Gary Chapman and Clarence Shuler talk about teaching young men to seek knowledge through education, learning from adults, and other wise steps. 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Dr. Gary Chapman, along with Clarence Shuler, say the best we can do as parents is point our children to the scriptures and warn them about the dangers ahead.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary: <\/strong>Clarence and I are both counselors, and through the years we have counseled many, many, many young people, young adults who made poor decisions\u2014I mean really poor decisions\u2014in those years, teenage years, and below the teenage years sometimes. Our heart is to try to help those younger people make decisions that will keep them from coming to our office, and also keep them out of prison and a lot of other bad experiences.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, August 6<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson, and I'm Bob Lepine. There are important conversations for parents to have with teenage sons and teenage daughters as we prepare them for adulthood. We\u2019ll talk about some of those conversations today. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. As you think back about your teen years, if you could tell your 14-year-old self one thing that would change how you lived your teen years, do you know what that would be?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you could come to yourself, and say, \u201cHey, you\u2019re about to go through this\u2014just this one thing. Don\u2019t do this, or do this instead.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think the first thing that comes to my mind is, \u201cDecisions you make now are going to impact your life for a long time\u2014if not forever.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, \u201cJust think really smart about the decisions you make.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We\u2019ve said to our son many times, \u201cGood choices yield good consequences, and bad choices yield bad consequences.\u201d I made some bad decisions that I thought, \u201cOh, this wouldn\u2019t last,\u201d and it lasted. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Is there one thing you would\u2019ve redirected your teenage self around?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> The first thing that came to my mind was my peers\u2019 opinions of me were the biggest things in my life. They really shaped who I was becoming. I wish that I would have seen the reality that those people probably wouldn\u2019t be my friends as I became an adult.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s interesting because I thought very similar\u2014how our peers influence and shape us. I think a lot of us jump quickly to areas of substances abuse or sexuality\u2014things we\u2019d do differently related to that\u2014so much of that was driven by our peers\u2019 opinion of us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I actually\u2014when you first asked me about it, when I was thinking I was 14\u2014here\u2019s my first thought: hair was <em>way<\/em> overrated. [Laughter] Oh, the hours I spent with a blow dryer!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You didn\u2019t even need hair then. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t need it. Who needs it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve got a couple guys joining us this week. I\u2019ll just point out that both of them have much more hair than you do. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> That\u2019s not much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Dr. Gary Chapman\u2019s joining us, along with Clarence Shuler. Men, welcome back to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary and Clarence: <\/strong>Thanks for having us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m going to ask you the same question. If you could go back and tell your 14-year-old self one thing that might have changed the trajectory of your life, do you know what the one thing would be?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence:<\/strong> Oh, easy. I would have studied more. [Laughter] Education was not a big deal. I was able to get by. In class I was able to get by and use it in high school, get a \u201cB.\u201d Even when I got to Moody Bible Institute, I could pay enough attention and cram. I could usually do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne time God let me outsmart myself, and I forgot my exam schedule. I ended up flunking out of school and becoming homeless in Chicago. So, if I had it to do over again, I definitely would\u2019ve studied more. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I became a Christian early on, at about the age of 10, but it was after I got in college at Moody Bible Institute that I learned how to have a personal daily devotional time with God, and how to dig into the scriptures and apply them to life. I wish I had known that a little earlier. I wish someone had come alongside <em>me<\/em> in those years and taught <em>me<\/em> how to apply scriptures to life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The reason for the question is because of the book you two have written together, which is called <em>Choose Greatness: 11 Wise Decisions That Brave Young Men Make<\/em>. I think all of the things we targeted here, are wrapped up in these 11 decisions. You talk about teaching young men how to seek knowledge through education, so, Clarence, that covers yours. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou talk about seeking wisdom from parents or trusted adults. Ann, you and I were thinking about peers instead of what grownups could teach us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGary, you talk about discovering the truth about God as one of the wise decisions and learning how to do that as a young man. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019ve written a book as a guidebook for young men to help them maybe navigate some of the paths ahead and not make some of the mistakes we made going through our teen years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> Clarence and I are both counselors, and through the years we have counseled many, many, many young people, young adults who made poor decisions\u2014I mean really poor decisions\u2014in those years, teenage years, and below the teenage years sometimes. Our heart is to try to help those younger people make decisions that will keep them from coming to our office, and also keep them out of prison and a lot of other bad experiences.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Clarence, as you look at young men in our culture today, a young man who\u2019s 14, what do you think are the challenges he\u2019s facing? What do you think are the deficits that are causing him to face his adolescent years and not be ready for them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence: <\/strong>I think, whether as a father or not, a lot of dads aren\u2019t stepping in to do that. They aren\u2019t doing a great job of providing for their sons. And the ones with single moms\u2014they don\u2019t have that. They don\u2019t have that man to model for them what it\u2019s like to be a man. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things Gary and I tried to hit upon is that these young guys\u2014they\u2019re thinking in their <em>now<\/em>\u2014they\u2019re not thinking <em>later<\/em>. A friend of mine, Chalmers Lee, says you need to give children direction\u2014young people direction\u2014<em>now <\/em>so they have options <em>later. <\/em>That\u2019s one of the things we try to come across. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, the education piece is big because education is not just about getting a grade\u2014it\u2019s learning. It also provides discipline. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnother thing Gary hit upon, as we wrote the book, is that it impacts your earning potential, which is huge if you want to get married and have kids. That\u2019s a big deal, which I had no clue to when I was 14.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, if I got the two of you together with a group of 13-year-old guys, and you were going to talk to them about school, and you said, \u201cLook. I want you to rethink school.\u201d What would the conversation sound like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> One of them would be, \u201cDon\u2019t drop out. Stay with school. The <em>minimum<\/em> is finishing high school in today\u2019s world, so don\u2019t even think about dropping out of high school. If you\u2019re struggling\u2014\u201d and let\u2019s face it, many have an academic background in the fifth or sixth grade where they\u2019re not doing well. \u201cIf you don\u2019t know how to read, let\u2019s find somebody who can teach you how to read outside the classroom because reading is fundamental to education.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re trying to take students wherever they are and say, \u201cDon\u2019t give up. There\u2019s hope. There are people who will help you. You can have an education that\u2019s going to impact the rest of your life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tReading is a big factor. We really emphasize reading because reading opens up the world to people, if you read. In fact, I was driving through the state of South Carolina some time ago, and there was a huge billboard that said, \u201cChildren who read live happily ever after.\u201d I thought, \u201cThat might be an overstatement.\u201d [Laughter] But there\u2019s a lot of truth to that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Clarence, you mentioned you dropped out of college\u2014how did you learn?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence:<\/strong> First, I learned that was not a wise decision. It could have been avoided. There were times I would stay in summer school, and I would make straight A\u2019s. I could do it. I think God wanted to show me that I was not in control. I was abusing the gift of education and the gift of intellect He\u2019s given me\u2014whatever it is\u2014and I was not using it well. That was a real big deal. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen survival\u2014even in my stupidity, God was gracious. There were times when I was actually homeless, but I never slept on the streets. God provided, so that was really kind of neat. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf I was talking to people, I would say, \u201cWhat do you want to do? What\u2019s your goal?\u201d If they want to make money and be successful, then I would say, \u201cHey, education is the way to get there.\u201d Even if they want to have a successful NBA or NFL career, the guys who stay in college until their junior year, do better overall than guys who go after their first year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, when guys think about that and, \u201cHere\u2019s your dream. How do you get there,\u201d that\u2019s another thing we try to bring to the table. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Some of this is tied to what we talked about earlier\u2014the whole subject of perseverance and just staying after something. When I was 15 or 16 years old, I was <em>two<\/em> merit badges short of being an Eagle Scout. I was at the point where I was, \u201cI don\u2019t want to do these last two merit badges.\u201d I remember my dad coming in and saying, \u201cYou know what? Do the two merit badges\u2014power through it\u2014do it. Get your Eagle Badge. You\u2019ll be glad someday you did.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat did not make sense to me. I was not glad in the moment, but I thought, \u201cOkay, I guess I have to do this.\u201d So, I powered through\u2014got my last two merit badges, and I got my Eagle Scout badge. I\u2019m so glad today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I was going to ask. Are you glad? Was that a good decision? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I completed it. I did\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014finish it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I finished it. When I\u2019m talking to people today, and some guy says, \u201cI\u2019m an Eagle Scout,\u201d I don\u2019t have to say, \u201cI had two merit badges to go, and I dropped out.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen my son, who had just finished his junior year in college\u2014he came to me and he said, \u201cDad, look. I\u2019m not getting much out of college.\u201d He was getting good grades. He was there on scholarship. College was fine. He said, \u201cI\u2019ve pretty much decided what I think I want to do. I want to do farming.\u201d He said, \u201cThese classes that I\u2019m about to take are going to do nothing to prepare me for farming.\u201d He said, \u201cI\u2019m sick of the whole thing.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI looked at him and I said, \u201cJust finish your senior year because of the scholarship.\u201d [Laughter] \u201cIt\u2019s paid for, so just do it, and someday, you\u2019ll be glad you did.\u201d He\u2019s still young enough that I haven\u2019t gone back and said, \u201cAre you glad you did?\u201d [Laughter] I think he knew the wisdom that just completing what you started and powering through it\u2014that\u2019s a part of the lesson. We\u2019re talking about education\u2014the value\u2014and I\u2019m not trying to minimize that. I\u2019m just saying, \u201cLook. Get to the finish line.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You just got into their number one wise decision\u2014listening to your parents\u2014wisdom from your parents. There\u2019s the parent right here\u2014Bob Lepine, sitting there. It\u2019s incredible wisdom.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> Yes, you\u2019re right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Let\u2019s talk about that a little bit. I do remember my mom\u2014a single mom. One of her driving passions\u2014and I married a woman with the same passion\u2014you never quit. You just keep fighting. No matter how bleak it looks, keep going.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember eighth grade track. I\u2019m not fast. I\u2019m adequate. I\u2019m in the 800, right? I only did it to be in shape for football in the fall, right? I ran every 800 and always got second to another guy on our team, Tom Jones. He ended up an actor. Ever heard of Tommy Lee Jones? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m kidding. Same name, but not that guy. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnyway. Tom won, and I always got second. We get to the city meet, which is just three or four other middle schools. I decide, after the first lap\u2014it\u2019s a two-lap race\u2014I\u2019m going to fall down and quit. [Laughter] I\u2019m not going to get first. I\u2019m not going to get second because now it\u2019s all the best in the city.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is very embarrassing and revealing right here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I just decided, \u201cI hate this race. I\u2019ve always hated this race. That second lap is the worst thing in the world.\u201d You know, you go\u2014we came around the first lap. We\u2019re going right where we started, and just going to the first turn, I looked up at the turn. I can remember this! Isn\u2019t it amazing how your memory is? It\u2019s like ten years ago.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI looked out there, and I\u2019m like, \u201cRight at that turn, I\u2019m going down. I\u2019ll just fake an injury, and I\u2019ll be done. I\u2019m so glad I don\u2019t have to finish this stupid race!\u201d That\u2019s what I thought. Just as we got to this turn\u2014Tom\u2019s out in front, and all these other runners, they all tangle up right in front of me. I can see it today. They flop down to the track\u2014boom, boom\u2014like <em>five<\/em> people, which shows you how far back I was. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll in front of me fall down. I literally jump over one of them, and I\u2019m now in first place. I finished the race in first place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s one of those moments I remember my mom saying, \u201cNever quit. You don\u2019t know what\u2019s going to happen. Never quit.\u201d It\u2019s a ridiculous little moment in my life, but it was confirmation\u2014the wisdom of your mom is worth living. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTalk about that. You guys made that one of your first principles\u2014listen to the wisdom of your parents. Why?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence: <\/strong>My parents were\u2014I had great parents. They were not believers initially. I got to lead them to Christ when I came home for Thanksgiving my freshman year of college. My mom worked hard, and she was in college. My dad had an eighth-grade education, working two or three jobs. They always made you finish. My sister made straight A\u2019s, which was really a problem. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It was a problem for <em>you<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence:<\/strong> It was a problem for me. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would make C\u2019s. One day my dad said, \u201cLook. The only job you have is going to school. I\u2019m supplying you with food, the roof over your house\u2014all you\u2019ve got to do\u2014don\u2019t bring any more C\u2019s into my house.\u201d I played with it and brought home one C\u2014he almost killed me\u2014my mother had to pull him off me. He said, \u201cYou\u2019re not going to be a janitor.\u201d He spanked me. The rest of high school I brought nothing less than a B in there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I went to Moody, they couldn\u2019t afford to send me a dime when I was going to Moody, so I worked close to 30-40 hours a week. I said, \u201cThis is about me. I can do what I want.\u201d That was just the wrong attitude. I had no idea what stewardship was all about, so God began to teach me what that was all about. I did flunk out of school the end of first semester my senior year. I just was made basketball captain\u2014I was the first African American to play basketball for Moody. I just blew it, but God was gracious. That was a tough time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the first people who tried to get hold of me was Gary. I wouldn\u2019t come home. My mom was a single mom now. She couldn\u2019t afford to do anything with me, so I\u2019m just trying to survive in Chicago. I remember he called\u2014he got hold of me and called because I didn\u2019t even want to talk to him. He said to my friend, \u201cIf he won\u2019t talk to me on the phone, I\u2019m coming up there.\u201d I knew he would. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was just really embarrassed and hurt, you know? I never thought it would happen to me. That was an education\u2014once I got my grades up and went back to school. It made a difference, but I still had the same pattern\u2014not studying hard\u2014I was playing basketball\u2014until I went to seminary. Then God just showed me the stewardship aspect. He said, \u201cIf you\u2019re not faithful to these books, I can\u2019t trust you with people.\u201d That changed my whole view of things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, my first semester in seminary, I got a 4.0. I sent it to Gary. He said, \u201cI always knew you had it in you, but it\u2019s good to see it in black and white.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you remember that conversation on the phone? You were being a dad to Clarence at that moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> Yes. Yes. His dad was dead already. Yes, I remember that conversation. I said clearly, \u201cYou tell Clarence, if he doesn\u2019t get on the phone, I\u2019ll be up there tomorrow morning.\u201d So, Clarence got on the phone. I said, \u201cClarence, I\u2019m disappointed, but it\u2019s not the end of the world. We\u2019ll work through this. God\u2019s going to help you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s one of the things I appreciate about Clarence. He <em>did<\/em> get up. He went to evening school, and he brought his grades up, and all of that. Later, he got involved in another college and finished his degree, and went on to seminary, and all that. He got up. He got going. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it\u2019s parents\u2014or someone who serves as a parent\u2014that has to help young people do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m imagining a single mom or a single dad, or a father and mom sitting down with a son, and saying, \u201cI just got this book I heard on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> called <em>Choose Greatness: 11 Wise Decisions.<\/em> Let\u2019s go through these together.\u201d The first one is \u201cchoose to seek wisdom from parents or trusted adults.\u201d [Laughter] I can just see the kid\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014rolling his eyes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014rolling his eyes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Kind of like, \u201cOh, this is another one of these propaganda books that my parents have brought in.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Especially as a single mom\u2014how can you encourage her? How can you help her? Does she go and recruit another man in the community? What are your suggestions?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence:<\/strong> We suggest that she go to her pastor and ask him, \u201cDo you know any godly men who could possibly serve as a mentor for her son?\u201d Gary and I talked about this. We hate to say it, but it\u2019s really important too, that no matter who it is, does a background check\u2014because of the sexual abuse today, that\u2019s just being very prudent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe thought the first place to go would be the pastor. We also felt that an access to the son did not give an access to the mother in regards to her feeling pressure to date this guy, or stuff like that. We thought that was really important or good first place to begin to go to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting. I\u2019m sitting here today because of my mom doing that. I didn\u2019t even know it as a young boy. I didn\u2019t have a dad in my life after age seven. I found out years later\u2014you know I was an athlete\u2014so every coach I had, my mom approached, privately, and said, \u201cI don\u2019t know if you know, David doesn\u2019t have a father. Could you be in this season, his.\u201d So, I was invited over to dinners at houses, and I never understood why. Now I knew. My mom was intentional. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe thing she didn\u2019t have\u2014and none of them had\u2014was this. There was no game plan. They helped me, and I think I\u2019m sitting here today because of their influence. But what a great tool\u2014this book\u2014to be able to hand to a parent, to a single parent, to anybody, to say, \u201cYou want to mentor somebody? Here you go.\u201d It\u2019s a game plan to do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> We\u2019re encouraging, whenever possible, that there be a substitute adult male that will work through the book with that teenager. But if not, to the teenager, get in and go with it. If possible, find somebody who can come alongside you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Are you coaching football right now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I did. For 12 years. High school.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, is this the kind\u2014there are 11 wise decisions. How many games in a season?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> If you do well, if you win the playoffs, fifteen. We did that one time. Our team won the state championship. Normally nine games, and more. I speak every week to the team. We call it chapel\u2014in a public high school, which is awesome. This is the kind of thing you would teach every Thursday before the Friday game.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> You could come in and say, \u201cToday we\u2019re going to talk about a wise decision you could make\u2014\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary: <\/strong>\u201c\u2014a wise decision on respecting girls and women.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m laughing because it\u2019s written for young boys and men. This is material for 32-year-old boys who shave. They think they\u2019re men; they\u2019re not. I\u2019m thinking as an NFL chaplain, I would have used this with 20 and 30-year-old men no different than I would with 13-year-old boys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence:<\/strong> Dave, I\u2019m so glad you said that because they were targeting 11 to 16-year- old\u2019s; then, they went to 18-year-old\u2019s. One of my accountability buddies said his college sons came home and saw the book and grabbed it and started reading it. Some couples I\u2019ve been counseling said their 29-year-old friend grabbed this book. I was playing mixed doubles, and this one lady\u2014her son\u2019s a teaching pro in California\u2014she got the book for him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, we think the principles, no matter how old you are, apply to any young man who didn\u2019t have that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Who didn\u2019t have a mentor\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014didn\u2019t have a dad. Didn\u2019t have somebody saying, \u201cThis is how you make sense of life. This is how you navigate it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf somebody follows the 11 wise decisions in here, life is going to go much better for them than if they veer off on any one or two of these, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence:<\/strong> Right.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve got copies of Gary\u2019s and Clarence\u2019s book <em>Choose Greatness<\/em> in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. You can order the book from us online at FamilyLifeToday.com or call to order 1-800-FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, the website FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800 \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just mention\u2014we created a weekend getaway for dads and sons to do called <em>Passport to Identity\u00ae.<\/em> This is designed for when your kids are 14-15 years old. It prompts you to have discussions about issues of dating and identity. What does it mean that God made you a young man? What are the issues you should be focused on?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve also got it for moms and daughters. Find out more about <em>Passport to Identity, <\/em>and plan a weekend away with your teenage son or daughter sometime in the next couple of months. It would be a great investment with your kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs we\u2019re talking this week about raising the next generation, I\u2019m thinking back to <em>The<\/em> <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>\u00ae video series that FamilyLife released a little over a year ago. When we released that\u2014along with the movie <em>Like Arrows<\/em> which, by the way, is on Netflix now or available for purchase or rental on Amazon and iTunes. I think there are still DVD\u2019s at Wal-Mart if you\u2019re still interested in seeing the movie <em>Like Arrows<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>The<\/em> <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> video series is designed to help moms and dads have the kinds of conversations with their kids that we\u2019ve been talking about this week. Our team has a prayer goal. When we launched this, we prayed. We asked God to allow this series to impact more than one million people worldwide in the first three years the series was out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOver the last year, we\u2019ve seen God multiply the effect of this ministry and touch more than 350,000 people all around the world. In fact, it\u2019s been translated into Spanish. In Central and South America, there have been more than 150,000 people who went to theaters to see <em>Like Arrows<\/em>, and who have started <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> groups. Now we\u2019re hoping to translate into Mandarin and Arabic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe were sharing all this with some friends of our recently, and this couple said, \u201cWe want to help accelerate, not only the work of <em>The<\/em> <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>, but all that you\u2019re doing here at FamilyLife.\u201d They agreed that they would make a donation of 500,000 dollars <em>if<\/em> we could get FamilyLife listeners to match that amount.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, during the month of August, that\u2019s our request. Would you make as generous a donation as possible, so we can continue to expand the work of FamilyLife globally through <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em>, through this radio program, through all we\u2019re doing here at FamilyLife. Will you help make that possible when you give a donation today? Your donation will be matched dollar for dollar up to that total of 500,000 dollars. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe need to do this during August, so we\u2019re asking you to make that donation today. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com and donate online. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. When you do, we\u2019d like to say thank you. We\u2019ll send you a copy of Dennis and Barbara Rainey\u2019s book <em>The Art of Parenting. <\/em>You can pass that on to someone you know or keep it for yourself. Again, it\u2019s our gift for your ongoing support for the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em> We appreciate you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you can join us tomorrow. We\u2019re going to hear about the moment in Dr. Gary Chapman\u2019s life when he decided, \u201cI don\u2019t think I\u2019m going to drink alcohol.\u201d Pretty powerful story. We\u2019ll hear about it tomorrow. 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They discuss some of the biggest challenges teens face.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2019-08-06.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If there was a way to take a teenager ten years into the future\u2014let them see the impact of the choices they will make during their teen years\u2014perhaps they\u2019d think twice about some of those choices. Dr. Gary Chapman, along with Clarence Shuler, say the best we can do as parents is point our children to the scriptures and warn them about the dangers ahead.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary: <\/strong>Clarence and I are both counselors, and through the years we have counseled many, many, many young people, young adults who made poor decisions\u2014I mean really poor decisions\u2014in those years, teenage years, and below the teenage years sometimes. Our heart is to try to help those younger people make decisions that will keep them from coming to our office, and also keep them out of prison and a lot of other bad experiences.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, August 6<sup>th<\/sup>. Our hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson, and I'm Bob Lepine. There are important conversations for parents to have with teenage sons and teenage daughters as we prepare them for adulthood. We\u2019ll talk about some of those conversations today. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. As you think back about your teen years, if you could tell your 14-year-old self one thing that would change how you lived your teen years, do you know what that would be?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you could come to yourself, and say, \u201cHey, you\u2019re about to go through this\u2014just this one thing. Don\u2019t do this, or do this instead.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I think the first thing that comes to my mind is, \u201cDecisions you make now are going to impact your life for a long time\u2014if not forever.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, \u201cJust think really smart about the decisions you make.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> We\u2019ve said to our son many times, \u201cGood choices yield good consequences, and bad choices yield bad consequences.\u201d I made some bad decisions that I thought, \u201cOh, this wouldn\u2019t last,\u201d and it lasted. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Is there one thing you would\u2019ve redirected your teenage self around?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> The first thing that came to my mind was my peers\u2019 opinions of me were the biggest things in my life. They really shaped who I was becoming. I wish that I would have seen the reality that those people probably wouldn\u2019t be my friends as I became an adult.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s interesting because I thought very similar\u2014how our peers influence and shape us. I think a lot of us jump quickly to areas of substances abuse or sexuality\u2014things we\u2019d do differently related to that\u2014so much of that was driven by our peers\u2019 opinion of us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes, I actually\u2014when you first asked me about it, when I was thinking I was 14\u2014here\u2019s my first thought: hair was <em>way<\/em> overrated. [Laughter] Oh, the hours I spent with a blow dryer!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> You didn\u2019t even need hair then. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t need it. 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In class I was able to get by and use it in high school, get a \u201cB.\u201d Even when I got to Moody Bible Institute, I could pay enough attention and cram. I could usually do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne time God let me outsmart myself, and I forgot my exam schedule. I ended up flunking out of school and becoming homeless in Chicago. So, if I had it to do over again, I definitely would\u2019ve studied more. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I became a Christian early on, at about the age of 10, but it was after I got in college at Moody Bible Institute that I learned how to have a personal daily devotional time with God, and how to dig into the scriptures and apply them to life. I wish I had known that a little earlier. I wish someone had come alongside <em>me<\/em> in those years and taught <em>me<\/em> how to apply scriptures to life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The reason for the question is because of the book you two have written together, which is called <em>Choose Greatness: 11 Wise Decisions That Brave Young Men Make<\/em>. I think all of the things we targeted here, are wrapped up in these 11 decisions. You talk about teaching young men how to seek knowledge through education, so, Clarence, that covers yours. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou talk about seeking wisdom from parents or trusted adults. Ann, you and I were thinking about peers instead of what grownups could teach us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGary, you talk about discovering the truth about God as one of the wise decisions and learning how to do that as a young man. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019ve written a book as a guidebook for young men to help them maybe navigate some of the paths ahead and not make some of the mistakes we made going through our teen years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> Clarence and I are both counselors, and through the years we have counseled many, many, many young people, young adults who made poor decisions\u2014I mean really poor decisions\u2014in those years, teenage years, and below the teenage years sometimes. Our heart is to try to help those younger people make decisions that will keep them from coming to our office, and also keep them out of prison and a lot of other bad experiences.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Clarence, as you look at young men in our culture today, a young man who\u2019s 14, what do you think are the challenges he\u2019s facing? What do you think are the deficits that are causing him to face his adolescent years and not be ready for them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence: <\/strong>I think, whether as a father or not, a lot of dads aren\u2019t stepping in to do that. They aren\u2019t doing a great job of providing for their sons. And the ones with single moms\u2014they don\u2019t have that. They don\u2019t have that man to model for them what it\u2019s like to be a man. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things Gary and I tried to hit upon is that these young guys\u2014they\u2019re thinking in their <em>now<\/em>\u2014they\u2019re not thinking <em>later<\/em>. A friend of mine, Chalmers Lee, says you need to give children direction\u2014young people direction\u2014<em>now <\/em>so they have options <em>later. <\/em>That\u2019s one of the things we try to come across. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, the education piece is big because education is not just about getting a grade\u2014it\u2019s learning. It also provides discipline. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnother thing Gary hit upon, as we wrote the book, is that it impacts your earning potential, which is huge if you want to get married and have kids. That\u2019s a big deal, which I had no clue to when I was 14.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, if I got the two of you together with a group of 13-year-old guys, and you were going to talk to them about school, and you said, \u201cLook. I want you to rethink school.\u201d What would the conversation sound like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> One of them would be, \u201cDon\u2019t drop out. Stay with school. The <em>minimum<\/em> is finishing high school in today\u2019s world, so don\u2019t even think about dropping out of high school. If you\u2019re struggling\u2014\u201d and let\u2019s face it, many have an academic background in the fifth or sixth grade where they\u2019re not doing well. \u201cIf you don\u2019t know how to read, let\u2019s find somebody who can teach you how to read outside the classroom because reading is fundamental to education.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re trying to take students wherever they are and say, \u201cDon\u2019t give up. There\u2019s hope. There are people who will help you. You can have an education that\u2019s going to impact the rest of your life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tReading is a big factor. We really emphasize reading because reading opens up the world to people, if you read. In fact, I was driving through the state of South Carolina some time ago, and there was a huge billboard that said, \u201cChildren who read live happily ever after.\u201d I thought, \u201cThat might be an overstatement.\u201d [Laughter] But there\u2019s a lot of truth to that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Clarence, you mentioned you dropped out of college\u2014how did you learn?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence:<\/strong> First, I learned that was not a wise decision. It could have been avoided. There were times I would stay in summer school, and I would make straight A\u2019s. I could do it. I think God wanted to show me that I was not in control. I was abusing the gift of education and the gift of intellect He\u2019s given me\u2014whatever it is\u2014and I was not using it well. That was a real big deal. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen survival\u2014even in my stupidity, God was gracious. There were times when I was actually homeless, but I never slept on the streets. God provided, so that was really kind of neat. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf I was talking to people, I would say, \u201cWhat do you want to do? What\u2019s your goal?\u201d If they want to make money and be successful, then I would say, \u201cHey, education is the way to get there.\u201d Even if they want to have a successful NBA or NFL career, the guys who stay in college until their junior year, do better overall than guys who go after their first year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, when guys think about that and, \u201cHere\u2019s your dream. How do you get there,\u201d that\u2019s another thing we try to bring to the table. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Some of this is tied to what we talked about earlier\u2014the whole subject of perseverance and just staying after something. When I was 15 or 16 years old, I was <em>two<\/em> merit badges short of being an Eagle Scout. I was at the point where I was, \u201cI don\u2019t want to do these last two merit badges.\u201d I remember my dad coming in and saying, \u201cYou know what? Do the two merit badges\u2014power through it\u2014do it. Get your Eagle Badge. You\u2019ll be glad someday you did.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat did not make sense to me. I was not glad in the moment, but I thought, \u201cOkay, I guess I have to do this.\u201d So, I powered through\u2014got my last two merit badges, and I got my Eagle Scout badge. I\u2019m so glad today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> I was going to ask. Are you glad? Was that a good decision? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I completed it. I did\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014finish it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I finished it. When I\u2019m talking to people today, and some guy says, \u201cI\u2019m an Eagle Scout,\u201d I don\u2019t have to say, \u201cI had two merit badges to go, and I dropped out.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen my son, who had just finished his junior year in college\u2014he came to me and he said, \u201cDad, look. I\u2019m not getting much out of college.\u201d He was getting good grades. He was there on scholarship. College was fine. He said, \u201cI\u2019ve pretty much decided what I think I want to do. I want to do farming.\u201d He said, \u201cThese classes that I\u2019m about to take are going to do nothing to prepare me for farming.\u201d He said, \u201cI\u2019m sick of the whole thing.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI looked at him and I said, \u201cJust finish your senior year because of the scholarship.\u201d [Laughter] \u201cIt\u2019s paid for, so just do it, and someday, you\u2019ll be glad you did.\u201d He\u2019s still young enough that I haven\u2019t gone back and said, \u201cAre you glad you did?\u201d [Laughter] I think he knew the wisdom that just completing what you started and powering through it\u2014that\u2019s a part of the lesson. We\u2019re talking about education\u2014the value\u2014and I\u2019m not trying to minimize that. I\u2019m just saying, \u201cLook. Get to the finish line.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> You just got into their number one wise decision\u2014listening to your parents\u2014wisdom from your parents. There\u2019s the parent right here\u2014Bob Lepine, sitting there. It\u2019s incredible wisdom.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> Yes, you\u2019re right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Let\u2019s talk about that a little bit. I do remember my mom\u2014a single mom. One of her driving passions\u2014and I married a woman with the same passion\u2014you never quit. You just keep fighting. No matter how bleak it looks, keep going.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember eighth grade track. I\u2019m not fast. I\u2019m adequate. I\u2019m in the 800, right? I only did it to be in shape for football in the fall, right? I ran every 800 and always got second to another guy on our team, Tom Jones. He ended up an actor. Ever heard of Tommy Lee Jones? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m kidding. Same name, but not that guy. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnyway. Tom won, and I always got second. We get to the city meet, which is just three or four other middle schools. I decide, after the first lap\u2014it\u2019s a two-lap race\u2014I\u2019m going to fall down and quit. [Laughter] I\u2019m not going to get first. I\u2019m not going to get second because now it\u2019s all the best in the city.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> This is very embarrassing and revealing right here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I just decided, \u201cI hate this race. I\u2019ve always hated this race. That second lap is the worst thing in the world.\u201d You know, you go\u2014we came around the first lap. We\u2019re going right where we started, and just going to the first turn, I looked up at the turn. I can remember this! Isn\u2019t it amazing how your memory is? It\u2019s like ten years ago.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI looked out there, and I\u2019m like, \u201cRight at that turn, I\u2019m going down. I\u2019ll just fake an injury, and I\u2019ll be done. I\u2019m so glad I don\u2019t have to finish this stupid race!\u201d That\u2019s what I thought. Just as we got to this turn\u2014Tom\u2019s out in front, and all these other runners, they all tangle up right in front of me. I can see it today. They flop down to the track\u2014boom, boom\u2014like <em>five<\/em> people, which shows you how far back I was. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll in front of me fall down. I literally jump over one of them, and I\u2019m now in first place. I finished the race in first place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s one of those moments I remember my mom saying, \u201cNever quit. You don\u2019t know what\u2019s going to happen. Never quit.\u201d It\u2019s a ridiculous little moment in my life, but it was confirmation\u2014the wisdom of your mom is worth living. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTalk about that. You guys made that one of your first principles\u2014listen to the wisdom of your parents. Why?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence: <\/strong>My parents were\u2014I had great parents. They were not believers initially. I got to lead them to Christ when I came home for Thanksgiving my freshman year of college. My mom worked hard, and she was in college. My dad had an eighth-grade education, working two or three jobs. They always made you finish. My sister made straight A\u2019s, which was really a problem. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> It was a problem for <em>you<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence:<\/strong> It was a problem for me. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would make C\u2019s. One day my dad said, \u201cLook. The only job you have is going to school. I\u2019m supplying you with food, the roof over your house\u2014all you\u2019ve got to do\u2014don\u2019t bring any more C\u2019s into my house.\u201d I played with it and brought home one C\u2014he almost killed me\u2014my mother had to pull him off me. He said, \u201cYou\u2019re not going to be a janitor.\u201d He spanked me. The rest of high school I brought nothing less than a B in there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I went to Moody, they couldn\u2019t afford to send me a dime when I was going to Moody, so I worked close to 30-40 hours a week. I said, \u201cThis is about me. I can do what I want.\u201d That was just the wrong attitude. I had no idea what stewardship was all about, so God began to teach me what that was all about. I did flunk out of school the end of first semester my senior year. I just was made basketball captain\u2014I was the first African American to play basketball for Moody. I just blew it, but God was gracious. That was a tough time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the first people who tried to get hold of me was Gary. I wouldn\u2019t come home. My mom was a single mom now. She couldn\u2019t afford to do anything with me, so I\u2019m just trying to survive in Chicago. I remember he called\u2014he got hold of me and called because I didn\u2019t even want to talk to him. He said to my friend, \u201cIf he won\u2019t talk to me on the phone, I\u2019m coming up there.\u201d I knew he would. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was just really embarrassed and hurt, you know? I never thought it would happen to me. That was an education\u2014once I got my grades up and went back to school. It made a difference, but I still had the same pattern\u2014not studying hard\u2014I was playing basketball\u2014until I went to seminary. Then God just showed me the stewardship aspect. He said, \u201cIf you\u2019re not faithful to these books, I can\u2019t trust you with people.\u201d That changed my whole view of things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, my first semester in seminary, I got a 4.0. I sent it to Gary. He said, \u201cI always knew you had it in you, but it\u2019s good to see it in black and white.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you remember that conversation on the phone? You were being a dad to Clarence at that moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> Yes. Yes. His dad was dead already. Yes, I remember that conversation. I said clearly, \u201cYou tell Clarence, if he doesn\u2019t get on the phone, I\u2019ll be up there tomorrow morning.\u201d So, Clarence got on the phone. I said, \u201cClarence, I\u2019m disappointed, but it\u2019s not the end of the world. We\u2019ll work through this. God\u2019s going to help you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s one of the things I appreciate about Clarence. He <em>did<\/em> get up. He went to evening school, and he brought his grades up, and all of that. Later, he got involved in another college and finished his degree, and went on to seminary, and all that. He got up. He got going. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it\u2019s parents\u2014or someone who serves as a parent\u2014that has to help young people do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m imagining a single mom or a single dad, or a father and mom sitting down with a son, and saying, \u201cI just got this book I heard on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> called <em>Choose Greatness: 11 Wise Decisions.<\/em> Let\u2019s go through these together.\u201d The first one is \u201cchoose to seek wisdom from parents or trusted adults.\u201d [Laughter] I can just see the kid\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> \u2014rolling his eyes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014rolling his eyes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Kind of like, \u201cOh, this is another one of these propaganda books that my parents have brought in.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann:<\/strong> Especially as a single mom\u2014how can you encourage her? How can you help her? Does she go and recruit another man in the community? What are your suggestions?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence:<\/strong> We suggest that she go to her pastor and ask him, \u201cDo you know any godly men who could possibly serve as a mentor for her son?\u201d Gary and I talked about this. We hate to say it, but it\u2019s really important too, that no matter who it is, does a background check\u2014because of the sexual abuse today, that\u2019s just being very prudent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe thought the first place to go would be the pastor. We also felt that an access to the son did not give an access to the mother in regards to her feeling pressure to date this guy, or stuff like that. We thought that was really important or good first place to begin to go to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting. I\u2019m sitting here today because of my mom doing that. I didn\u2019t even know it as a young boy. I didn\u2019t have a dad in my life after age seven. I found out years later\u2014you know I was an athlete\u2014so every coach I had, my mom approached, privately, and said, \u201cI don\u2019t know if you know, David doesn\u2019t have a father. Could you be in this season, his.\u201d So, I was invited over to dinners at houses, and I never understood why. Now I knew. My mom was intentional. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe thing she didn\u2019t have\u2014and none of them had\u2014was this. There was no game plan. They helped me, and I think I\u2019m sitting here today because of their influence. But what a great tool\u2014this book\u2014to be able to hand to a parent, to a single parent, to anybody, to say, \u201cYou want to mentor somebody? Here you go.\u201d It\u2019s a game plan to do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> We\u2019re encouraging, whenever possible, that there be a substitute adult male that will work through the book with that teenager. But if not, to the teenager, get in and go with it. If possible, find somebody who can come alongside you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Are you coaching football right now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I did. For 12 years. High school.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, is this the kind\u2014there are 11 wise decisions. How many games in a season?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> If you do well, if you win the playoffs, fifteen. We did that one time. Our team won the state championship. Normally nine games, and more. I speak every week to the team. We call it chapel\u2014in a public high school, which is awesome. This is the kind of thing you would teach every Thursday before the Friday game.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> You could come in and say, \u201cToday we\u2019re going to talk about a wise decision you could make\u2014\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary: <\/strong>\u201c\u2014a wise decision on respecting girls and women.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave:<\/strong> I\u2019m laughing because it\u2019s written for young boys and men. This is material for 32-year-old boys who shave. They think they\u2019re men; they\u2019re not. I\u2019m thinking as an NFL chaplain, I would have used this with 20 and 30-year-old men no different than I would with 13-year-old boys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence:<\/strong> Dave, I\u2019m so glad you said that because they were targeting 11 to 16-year- old\u2019s; then, they went to 18-year-old\u2019s. One of my accountability buddies said his college sons came home and saw the book and grabbed it and started reading it. Some couples I\u2019ve been counseling said their 29-year-old friend grabbed this book. I was playing mixed doubles, and this one lady\u2014her son\u2019s a teaching pro in California\u2014she got the book for him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, we think the principles, no matter how old you are, apply to any young man who didn\u2019t have that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Who didn\u2019t have a mentor\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014didn\u2019t have a dad. Didn\u2019t have somebody saying, \u201cThis is how you make sense of life. This is how you navigate it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf somebody follows the 11 wise decisions in here, life is going to go much better for them than if they veer off on any one or two of these, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Clarence:<\/strong> Right.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve got copies of Gary\u2019s and Clarence\u2019s book <em>Choose Greatness<\/em> in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. You can order the book from us online at FamilyLifeToday.com or call to order 1-800-FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, the website FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800 \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just mention\u2014we created a weekend getaway for dads and sons to do called <em>Passport to Identity\u00ae.<\/em> This is designed for when your kids are 14-15 years old. It prompts you to have discussions about issues of dating and identity. What does it mean that God made you a young man? What are the issues you should be focused on?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve also got it for moms and daughters. Find out more about <em>Passport to Identity, <\/em>and plan a weekend away with your teenage son or daughter sometime in the next couple of months. It would be a great investment with your kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs we\u2019re talking this week about raising the next generation, I\u2019m thinking back to <em>The<\/em> <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>\u00ae video series that FamilyLife released a little over a year ago. When we released that\u2014along with the movie <em>Like Arrows<\/em> which, by the way, is on Netflix now or available for purchase or rental on Amazon and iTunes. I think there are still DVD\u2019s at Wal-Mart if you\u2019re still interested in seeing the movie <em>Like Arrows<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>The<\/em> <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> video series is designed to help moms and dads have the kinds of conversations with their kids that we\u2019ve been talking about this week. Our team has a prayer goal. When we launched this, we prayed. We asked God to allow this series to impact more than one million people worldwide in the first three years the series was out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOver the last year, we\u2019ve seen God multiply the effect of this ministry and touch more than 350,000 people all around the world. In fact, it\u2019s been translated into Spanish. In Central and South America, there have been more than 150,000 people who went to theaters to see <em>Like Arrows<\/em>, and who have started <em>Art of Parenting<\/em> groups. Now we\u2019re hoping to translate into Mandarin and Arabic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe were sharing all this with some friends of our recently, and this couple said, \u201cWe want to help accelerate, not only the work of <em>The<\/em> <em>Art of Parenting<\/em>, but all that you\u2019re doing here at FamilyLife.\u201d They agreed that they would make a donation of 500,000 dollars <em>if<\/em> we could get FamilyLife listeners to match that amount.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, during the month of August, that\u2019s our request. Would you make as generous a donation as possible, so we can continue to expand the work of FamilyLife globally through <em>The Art of Parenting<\/em>, through this radio program, through all we\u2019re doing here at FamilyLife. Will you help make that possible when you give a donation today? Your donation will be matched dollar for dollar up to that total of 500,000 dollars. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe need to do this during August, so we\u2019re asking you to make that donation today. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com and donate online. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. When you do, we\u2019d like to say thank you. We\u2019ll send you a copy of Dennis and Barbara Rainey\u2019s book <em>The Art of Parenting. <\/em>You can pass that on to someone you know or keep it for yourself. Again, it\u2019s our gift for your ongoing support for the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em> We appreciate you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you can join us tomorrow. We\u2019re going to hear about the moment in Dr. Gary Chapman\u2019s life when he decided, \u201cI don\u2019t think I\u2019m going to drink alcohol.\u201d Pretty powerful story. We\u2019ll hear about it tomorrow. 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