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This file is auto-generated *\/\n!function(d,l){\"use strict\";l.querySelector&&d.addEventListener&&\"undefined\"!=typeof URL&&(d.wp=d.wp||{},d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage||(d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage=function(e){var t=e.data;if((t||t.secret||t.message||t.value)&&!\/[^a-zA-Z0-9]\/.test(t.secret)){for(var s,r,n,a=l.querySelectorAll('iframe[data-secret=\"'+t.secret+'\"]'),o=l.querySelectorAll('blockquote[data-secret=\"'+t.secret+'\"]'),c=new RegExp(\"^https?:$\",\"i\"),i=0;i<o.length;i++)o[i].style.display=\"none\";for(i=0;i<a.length;i++)s=a[i],e.source===s.contentWindow&&(s.removeAttribute(\"style\"),\"height\"===t.message?(1e3<(r=parseInt(t.value,10))?r=1e3:~~r<200&&(r=200),s.height=r):\"link\"===t.message&&(r=new URL(s.getAttribute(\"src\")),n=new URL(t.value),c.test(n.protocol))&&n.host===r.host&&l.activeElement===s&&(d.top.location.href=t.value))}},d.addEventListener(\"message\",d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage,!1),l.addEventListener(\"DOMContentLoaded\",function(){for(var e,t,s=l.querySelectorAll(\"iframe.wp-embedded-content\"),r=0;r<s.length;r++)(t=(e=s[r]).getAttribute(\"data-secret\"))||(t=Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,12),e.src+=\"#?secret=\"+t,e.setAttribute(\"data-secret\",t)),e.contentWindow.postMessage({message:\"ready\",secret:t},\"*\")},!1)))}(window,document);\n\/\/# sourceURL=https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-includes\/js\/wp-embed.min.js\n<\/script>\n"},"spectra_custom_meta":{"_wp_page_template":["default"],"transcript_url":["https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/flw\/flw2019-04-20.pdf"],"audio_file":["https:\/\/d2c17sq0nj1f7e.cloudfront.net\/flw2019-04-20.mp3"],"transcript_content":["<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> It's Easter weekend; and just the other night, we celebrated Good Friday. For some of you, you may feel that there's a series of Good Fridays in your life right now. Listen to what Paul Miller says about that.\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Hang in there; resurrection\u2019s coming! You don't know the timing or the shape of the resurrection; but you can begin to <em>taste<\/em> the resurrection, even as you begin to surrender to the path that God has put you on; because immediately, a joy begins to well up in your heart. You stop fighting the world that God has put you in.\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> This Easter weekend, we're going to talk about the love that Jesus had. Just how do we love like He did? Stay tuned. We're going to talk about that on this edition of <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>.\n\nWelcome to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. I'm Michelle Hill. You know, it is Easter weekend; and it is a time to celebrate! And you know, when there's a celebration, of course, that means a new outfit. I know lots of women, who are heading out to the stores this season, looking for the perfect Easter dress. And if you have a kid or two, I'm sure you have already thought through the white shorts the little boy's going to wear and the cute, frilly, pink or yellow dress that your daughter's going to wear.\n\nYou know, there's something about Easter. There's a freshness, or a newness, or\u2014if we're talking Easter brunch\u2014there's a yummy-ness to it. But this weekend is a weekend of <em>contrasts<\/em>. We just came out of a somber and dark Good Friday; and then we're supposed to celebrate the resurrection of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, on Sunday. That feels like a sharp turn to me; doesn't it to <em>you<\/em>?\n\nAnd it got me to thinking about the <em>love<\/em> that Jesus poured out for us on the cross, and how do we love? You know, I've been told that He loves extravagantly, but that it's tempered by His judging. I've been told that He's meek and mild\u2014and we\u2019re to be meek and mild\u2014but that He also ran the people out of the temple. How do we reconcile the contrast? How do we reconcile what we hear? Well, as I was told last night, we're to go back to the Bible. Don't rely on hearsay; rely on the <em>truth<\/em> of God's Word.\n\nYou know, there's a man, who has spent a lot of time in God's Word, and he has spent that time studying the love of our Savior. His name is Philip Ryken. He's currently President of Wheaton College; and he and his wife Lisa, of course, live there in Wheaton, Illinois. They have five children and\u2014interesting fact about him\u2014he loves to water ski. I just thought that was interesting, because I want to learn. I can't seem to pull myself up; I'm not strong enough.\n\nIn a discussion with Dennis Rainey and Bob Lepine, Philip Ryken helps us differentiate these loves and especially the love of our Savior.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, let's talk about this subject of love here. I want you to start just with your own observations about what the culture is communicating\u2014about what real love is.\n\n<strong>Philip:<\/strong> I think the culture thinks that love is primarily <em>emotional<\/em>\u2014that the most important kind of love is romantic love. That's very different than the picture you get in the Scriptures, where love has an emotional dimension for sure, but a lot of love is the practical living out of putting another person first in life.\n\nAnd the Bible does talk about romantic love\u2014celebrates it\/rejoices in it\u2014but there are other dimensions of love. I think one of the rich things about the biblical teaching on love is you have multiple vocabulary words. You know, in English, we really try to do all the work that love could do with a single word. That's not how it is in Greek and Hebrew\u2014you get a richer, fuller picture of multiple dimensions of love. It's a very different picture that you get in the Bible than in culture.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You say in your book that 1 Corinthians 13 is like a portrait of love or a good description of love; but it really is pointing back to the One, [who] was love\/who visited this planet.\n\n<strong>Philip:<\/strong> Yes; I think so. I mean, if you\u20141 Corinthians 13 is a very well-known passage of Scripture. Most of us have heard it at a lot of weddings, for example. This book is really just a careful exposition, and explanation\/application of the full richness of\n\n1 Corinthians 13.\n\nI don't think, at the beginning of this passage, the Apostle Paul says \u201cNow, let me tell you what the love of Jesus is like.\u201d But when you start going through, \u201cOkay; where have I seen this kind of patient, non-envious, non-boastful, fully kind\u2014I mean, you start going through the list, and what is the best example of this love? Where do we see it fully fleshed out? Of course, the answer to that is in the life of Jesus Christ. I think this passage is a great lens for looking at the life of Christ; and if you want the full portrait of 1 Corinthians 13, you see it lived out in the life, and death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It's interesting to me, too; because from an apologetics standpoint, that's <em>not<\/em> the center of the picture for other prophets or deities around the world. We don't think of Allah as the god of love. We don't think of Buddha as being the\u2014love being at the center of the bull's eye. For the Christian, this is the <em>sine qua non<\/em>; isn't it?\n\n<strong>Philip:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, you know, John says that in his epistles; doesn't he? \u201cGod is love,\u201d\u2014he makes a direct identification of God as love. And you could equally\u2014the Bible, I don't think, says it in so many words\u2014but Jesus is love. That's certainly the message of the gospel. Of course, there are other attributes of the character of Christ\u2014so love isn\u2019t His <em>only<\/em> attribute\u2014but if you're looking for the living definition of love, that<em> is <\/em>in the person and in the work of Jesus Christ.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So you and Lisa have been married 25 years.\n\n<strong>Philip:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What have you learned\u2014from gazing into the life of Jesus Christ\u2014what have you learned about loving her?\n\n<strong>Philip:<\/strong> Yes; well, how long do we have on today's broadcast? [Laughter] You know, one thing we often joke about\u2014this is something that her mother would say, from time to time\u2014is: \u201cThe first 25 years are the hardest.\u201d So, next year, will say, \u201cThe first 26 years are the hardest.\u201d [Laughter]\n\nI mean, marriage is an amazing crucible for discipleship\/for the life of sanctification. I tell young people: \u201cWhen you are prayerfully making a decision about a life partnership, you are really choosing the person that you will become; because this relationship will have a bigger impact on your sanctification than any other relationship.\u201d\n\nI think\u2014I mean, if you ask me just: \u201cWhat's the first thing that comes to mind? What have I learned about love from being married to Lisa Maxwell for 25 years?\u201d I have learned how selfish I am\u2014that's the first thing that comes to my mind\u2014 because there are all kinds of things that you just cater to your own wants and desires. That doesn't really get fully exposed until you live with somebody in that close proximity. Maybe, she would say, you know, I haven't learned enough about the love of Jesus yet. [Laughter]\n\nBut I\u2014you know, you look back over 25 years, and you're able to say, \u201cPraise God, I'm <em>not<\/em> the man that I was at the beginning of this relationship.\u201d Hopefully, you know, I'll be able\u201425 years later from now\u2014I\u2019ll be able to say, \u201cYou know, at this point, I'm not the man I was 25 years ago.\u201d It's a lifelong process.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> To that point, you mentioned, earlier, that the Greek language is robust in describing the one English word we have called love. Just real quickly\u2014because I think our listeners could benefit from this\u2014unpack the different Greek words\u2014that we have, in English, one word to describe\u2014that's \u201clove.\u201d\n\n<strong>Philip:<\/strong> Yes; I was mentioning earlier, this is part of the richness of the biblical teaching on love. You know, this is something that C. S. Lewis gave a great exposition of in his book, <em>The Four Loves<\/em>, where he talks about <em>storge<\/em>, which is a very comfortable, familiar, shoe leather kind of love\u2014that's an analogy that's often given.\n\n<em>Agape,<\/em> which is a unique New Testament term\u2014which Paul really <em>frequently<\/em> uses in the epistles\u2014which is a selfless love; it's an active love. You have <em>eros<\/em>, which, of course, we get our vocabulary of erotic; and it's more in the category of a romantic love. And it has this passion to it that's in a love relationship. And <em>filia<\/em>, which is brotherly love\u2014like Philadelphia, the City of Brotherly Love.\n\nAnd even that vocabulary shows that there are different relationships in life that have a different <em>quality<\/em>. I have a different kind of love relationship with a close colleague that I've worked with in ministry than I do with Lisa as my wife, or even, then, the kind of love that I have for my children. There are different loves that God gives us in life according to our various callings in life.\n\nAnd one thing that I would just emphasize\u2014since we're talking about loving the way that Jesus loves and thinking a little bit about 1 Corinthians 13\u2014I think it's important to recognize 1 Corinthians 13 is about this\u00a0 <em>agape, <\/em>selfle<em>ss<\/em> love that we\u2019re called to, as the followers of Christ.\n\nOne of the <em>huge<\/em> privileges of a life in ministry, where you have the privilege that I have\u2014which is regularly to spend private time studying God's Word in a deep way, preparing to teach God's Word to others\u2014is really digging into the Scriptures and getting a fuller sense of what is really there.\n\nI think kindness\u2014we think of as something that's, you know, a very <em>small<\/em> virtue\u2014if it's a virtue at all\u2014but the biblical notion of kindness is really <em>robust<\/em>; it has a <em>strong<\/em> sense to it. I really go back to the Old Testament in the vocabulary of lovingkindness, which is actually God's covenant faithful love. The whole love of God for His people is really expressed in terms of kindness. So then, rather than thinking of this as a small thing, it's a <em>huge<\/em> privilege for us to be showing kindness to others, in the biblical sense of lovingkindness, in imitation of the amazing lovingkindness of God.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That's Philip Ryken. Philip is President of Wheaton College. And just as Philip was talking about the lovingkindness of God, it got me thinking about the passage in Galatians\u2014Galatians 5, where it talks about the fruit of the Spirit. You know, that's a <em>great<\/em> reminder of how we're supposed to imitate God\u2014imitate Him and His lovingkindness.\n\nOkay; so now, we have a framework of love and the kind of love that we are to know; because we are loved by God and we love Him. But how do we go about showing this love to others?\u2014because loving others\u2014well, it's <em>hard<\/em> work. It would be <em>so easy<\/em> if we were hermits or something and all we had to do was just love God, but we're <em>not<\/em>. We're surrounded by people, all day long. So where do we start? How about we start with those in our immediate circle?\u2014our family.\n\nBob and Dennis chatted with Paul Miller about loving our families when life is hard. Paul is the Executive Director of the ministry, See Jesus<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. He's a best-selling author; and one of his books is titled<em> Love Walked among Us: Learning to Love Like Jesus Did<\/em>. To give you a little bit of context, as you listen to Paul talk with Dennis Rainey and Bob Lepine, you need to know that Paul's daughter, Kimmie, is sitting in the control room, watching this interview happen.\n\nNow, Kimmie has special needs. She has autism, and she also is mute; but Paul brings her along with him on many of his trips because it enriches her life, and it also enriches his; and he <em>loves<\/em> his daughter! Here's Paul.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Down there, in the crucible, is where you get to know God. If you don't give into bitterness\u2014if you <em>receive<\/em> what the Father has given you in this hard thing, whether it's a difficult spouse, or a disabled child, or a difficult boss\u2014if you receive that as from the Father, then you meet and get to know God in ways that you've <em>never<\/em> imagined. You begin to pick up the cadences of Jesus. He becomes almost physically tangible to you.\n\nHere's just a quick story, just from on the work side\/on the ministry side. I was at a conference, speaking, that had about 500 people in it. We had roving mics. There was one person in the seminar\u2014when I would ask questions\u2014who kept saying a lot of stuff, and it really didn't connect too much with what I was asking about.\n\nAnd the pastor came up to me at the end of Friday night and said, \u201cPaul, I've talked to that person; and you won't have that problem again.\u201d I thanked him for it, because that was a helpful thing to do; but I said: \u201cIt's not the worst thing in the world. In fact, it's a <em>good<\/em> thing for 499 people to see me being <em>patient<\/em> with a slightly-troubled person; because I, by my seminar being mildly ruined\u2014I get to display Christ.\u201d It's just an <em>entirely<\/em> different way of looking at life.\n\nWhat we tend to do is look for the perfection of the seminar, but what Christ wants to find is the perfection of the image of His Son in me. So then, God becomes <em>present<\/em> as we begin to see the beauty of Christ emerge in the church.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> How do you think you and Jill would be different people today if God had not put Kimmie in your life?\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> I can't even imagine it\u2014she's God's best gift us.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> In what way? Give me a tangible way you're a different man today because of her.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Because when you say that, you know, people think, \u201cWell, that's the right Christian answer to say\u2014is that she\u2019s God's gift\u201d; but you say it with sincerity; don't you?\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Oh, yes.\n\nOne of the stories I remember was\u2014I was working at the Independence National Park, the national park downtown. A homeless man\u2014he was drunk\u2014came up to me and this other coworker. He barely got his words out, and I just kind of dismissed him. My friend, who I'm not even sure was a believer, <em>listened<\/em> to the guy\/found out what he wanted. Then, afterward, turned to me and said, \u201cWhy did you treat him that way?\u201d I mean, I was doing the <em>opposite<\/em> of Jesus-looking compassion; so that's what I mean by that.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Your eyesight is better, you're saying.\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> We see much better.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You see people for who they are\u2014image bearers\u2014\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You're a little more patient.\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You listen better.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and your assignment to love them in the moment, regardless of the circumstances.\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes; yes; yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to read a passage of Scripture, and then I want you to just help conclude our broadcast; because this is what you've been talking about all this week. It's found in 1 Peter, Chapter 4, verse 12: \u201cBeloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though\u201d\u2014and this is the part I always smile about\u2014\u201cas though something strange were happening to you.\u201d\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes; yes; yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> In other words, we're to <em>expect<\/em> trials\u2014not be surprised by trials\u2014\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because trials come with an assignment; don\u2019t they?\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It goes on to say, \u201cBut rejoice in so far as you share Christ\u2019s sufferings that you may also rejoice and be glad when His glory is revealed.\u201d That's what it's about; isn\u2019t it?\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes. You begin to taste down payments of that glory, even in the bottom of the crucible, as people begin to see the beauty of Christ emerge out of you.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You're saying you've tasted glory through a daughter, who's 30-plus years old\u2014\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014in loving her, being patient with her, humbling yourself to care for her\u2014giving, giving, giving, and not quitting.\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> That's exactly it.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And to that person, who's got an assignment right now\u2014that may not be packaged just like this was packaged for you and Jill\u2014what would you say to him or her, who\u2019s finding circumstances unbearable?\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Hang in there; resurrection\u2019s coming! You don't know the timing or the shape of the resurrection; but you can begin to <em>taste<\/em> the resurrection, even as you begin to <em>surrender<\/em> to the path that God has put you on; because immediately, a joy begins to well up in your heart, and you stop fighting the world that God has put you in.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Paul Miller reminding us that there is <em>hope<\/em>; that the resurrection brings hope in our lives. To hear the entire interview, go to FamilyLifeThisWeek.com\u2014that's FamilyLifeThisWeek.com.\n\nHey, we need to take a break; but you\u2019ll want to stay with us, because we're going to have a discussion with Josh McDowell on the other side. Stay tuned.\n\n[Radio Station Spot Break]\n\nWelcome back to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. We are celebrating Easter this weekend, and we are celebrating the ultimate sacrifice of love from our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.\n\nWe're talking about love, and we could <em>not<\/em> talk about a love if we didn't talk with Josh McDowell. He is somebody who knows this love of our Savior well. He's passionate about what he does. He is on staff with Cru, and he's written over 115 books. You might have heard of one of them, called <em>More than a Carpenter<\/em>. Josh is married to Dottie, and they have raised four children. Josh loves Jesus, and he loves to share that love with others.\n\nHe was in the FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> studios, a while back, and talked with Dennis Rainey and Bob Lepine about teaching <em>his<\/em> children how to love others well. Here's Josh.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Josh:<\/strong> I need to raise my children to\u2014not just believe that the Bible is the Word of God, and what God says, and everything\u2014but how do you know it's true? How do you know it's true? If we do not do that, then you really don't have much of a way to counteract intolerance in culture today; because you've lost all objective reality.\n\nWhen you were growing up\u2014whatever your pastor taught\/whatever your parents taught you\u2014when you turned on the TV\u2014to various degrees, the structures around you reinforced it\u2014when you went to school\/when you went in the classroom. What your pastor taught and you taught, as a parent, was reinforced. That is no longer true! Right now, this Sunday morning, whatever your pastor teaches\/whatever you teach your kids\u2014the moment they turn on TV, they go to their internet, they go to Facebook<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, they walk down the street\u2014almost <em>every<\/em> structure and culture flies in the face.\n\nAnd this is why I say: \u201cMom and Dad, you were able to survive with a belief system. Your kids <em>won't<\/em>, without convictions. If you raise your children the way your parents raised you, you\u2019ll probably lose them.\u201d Why?\u2014because your parents, who did a great job for that culture at that time, raised you with a very good belief system\u2014that won't work anymore.\n\nYou must now raise your children with convictions. A conviction is knowing <em>what<\/em> you believe, <em>why<\/em> you believe it\u2014now, this is important\u2014and experiencing it in your life. Most people say, \u201cWell, if it's true, it will really work.\u201d You see, today, 78 percent of evangelical Christian young people, when asked the question, \u201cHow do you know something's true?\u201d\u2014not \u201cBecause Jesus said it in the Bible,\u201d\u2014no!\u2014\u201c\u2026if it works!\u201d\n\nA kid says, \u201cIf it really works, it is true.\u201d And here is the problem with that\u2014say a pastor\/somebody makes a decision to enter into sexual immorality\u2014pornography or whatever. The average adult in the church would say, \u201cWell, the pastor is not living the truth.\u201d The child will look at that and say, \u201cNot true!\u201d What's not true? \u201cWhatever the pastor teaches.\u201d Why?\u2014\u201cIt doesn't work.\u201d This is why hypocrisy today has <em>ten times<\/em> the impact it used to have; because now, it reflects on truth <em>itself<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You made an observation\u2014earlier, when we were talking about this\u2014that I think would be good for our listeners to hear. You were saying most people do not move away from the anchor of the biblical faith because they are persuaded, intellectually, away. You said most of them rearrange their intellect because they're persuaded, <em>morally<\/em>, in a different direction.\n\n<strong>Josh:<\/strong> I learned that over\u2014I don\u2019t know how many years\u20141,216 universities I have lectured in. Almost every time I ever met a professor, a graduate student, or anyone who's adamant against Christianity\u2014just attacks Christians\/would ridicule me when I'd come to the campus\u2014I can say, almost 100 percent of the time, when I was able to spend time with that person, they did not have an intellectual question. They had a moral problem.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Josh:<\/strong> They had a <em>moral<\/em> problem with it. Now, here's the key: \u201cWell, Josh, what do you do? What do we teach our children?\u201d I refused to ever teach my children to be tolerant, because I believe you <em>diminish<\/em> the value of a person. I raised my children to be loving. When you <em>love<\/em> someone, you attribute <em>value<\/em> to their life in the image of God\u2014value, dignity, worth.\n\nWhen you <em>tolerate<\/em> someone, you diminish; because you\u2019re saying: \u201cIt doesn't matter what you believe. Everything is true.\u201d When you <em>love<\/em> someone, you <em>acknowledge<\/em> who they are, as a person. So I raised my children to be loving; and you know, it's interesting\u2014in Psalm 89:14\u2014this ought to be the clamoring bell\u2014it says, \u201cUnfailing love and truth walk before You as attendants.\u201d I raised my children to be loving and to love truth.\n\nBoy! This is so powerful\u2014teach the truth in love. And the thing is\u2014the love there\u2014teach the truth in love\u2014love doesn't make it true. You could teach truth in hatred, and it\u2019s still true\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Josh:<\/strong> \u2014now, nobody will want it! What love does\u2014is fertilize the ground to <em>receive<\/em> the truth. This's why we have to be <em>so<\/em> careful of our attitudes with our own children in everything and show <em>compassion<\/em> for the individual. This is how we must raise our children.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I think the world needs just a <em>few<\/em> more Josh McDowells. It seems like there are just a few men who have such a <em>deep<\/em> passion to equip the next generation with truth, and teaching them <em>why<\/em> it's truth, and how to live it out. We have a link to Josh's ministry on our website, along with the full interview that he had with Dennis and Bob. Go to FamilyLifeThisWeek.com\u2014that's FamilyLifeThisWeek.com.\n\nHey! If you're a working mom\u2014oh, let me clarify that\u2014because I know all moms work! But if you are a working mom, outside the home, do you deal with mom guilt? As my friend, Megan, says, \u201cIt's the constant feeling that you're missing something, somewhere; and you just can't seem to find it; because your kids want 100 percent of your time\/your job wants 100 percent of your time.\u201d How do you mash those together? Oh, and then, there's the husband, who wants some of your time too. We\u2019re going to talk with my good friend and co-worker, Shannon Simmons, next week. We're going to discuss mom guilt and how to deal with it.\n\nThanks for listening today. I want to thank the President of FamilyLife, David Robbins, along with our station partners around the country. A big \u201cThank you!\u201d to our engineer today, Keith Lynch. Thanks to our producers, Marques Holt and Bruce Goff. Justin Adams is our mastering engineer, and Megan Martin is our production coordinator.\n\nOur program is a production of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, and our mission is to effectively develop godly families who change the world one home at a time. I'm Michelle Hill, inviting you to join us again next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\nWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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I know lots of women, who are heading out to the stores this season, looking for the perfect Easter dress. And if you have a kid or two, I'm sure you have already thought through the white shorts the little boy's going to wear and the cute, frilly, pink or yellow dress that your daughter's going to wear.\n\nYou know, there's something about Easter. There's a freshness, or a newness, or\u2014if we're talking Easter brunch\u2014there's a yummy-ness to it. But this weekend is a weekend of <em>contrasts<\/em>. We just came out of a somber and dark Good Friday; and then we're supposed to celebrate the resurrection of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, on Sunday. That feels like a sharp turn to me; doesn't it to <em>you<\/em>?\n\nAnd it got me to thinking about the <em>love<\/em> that Jesus poured out for us on the cross, and how do we love? You know, I've been told that He loves extravagantly, but that it's tempered by His judging. I've been told that He's meek and mild\u2014and we\u2019re to be meek and mild\u2014but that He also ran the people out of the temple. How do we reconcile the contrast? How do we reconcile what we hear? Well, as I was told last night, we're to go back to the Bible. Don't rely on hearsay; rely on the <em>truth<\/em> of God's Word.\n\nYou know, there's a man, who has spent a lot of time in God's Word, and he has spent that time studying the love of our Savior. His name is Philip Ryken. He's currently President of Wheaton College; and he and his wife Lisa, of course, live there in Wheaton, Illinois. They have five children and\u2014interesting fact about him\u2014he loves to water ski. I just thought that was interesting, because I want to learn. I can't seem to pull myself up; I'm not strong enough.\n\nIn a discussion with Dennis Rainey and Bob Lepine, Philip Ryken helps us differentiate these loves and especially the love of our Savior.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, let's talk about this subject of love here. I want you to start just with your own observations about what the culture is communicating\u2014about what real love is.\n\n<strong>Philip:<\/strong> I think the culture thinks that love is primarily <em>emotional<\/em>\u2014that the most important kind of love is romantic love. That's very different than the picture you get in the Scriptures, where love has an emotional dimension for sure, but a lot of love is the practical living out of putting another person first in life.\n\nAnd the Bible does talk about romantic love\u2014celebrates it\/rejoices in it\u2014but there are other dimensions of love. I think one of the rich things about the biblical teaching on love is you have multiple vocabulary words. You know, in English, we really try to do all the work that love could do with a single word. That's not how it is in Greek and Hebrew\u2014you get a richer, fuller picture of multiple dimensions of love. It's a very different picture that you get in the Bible than in culture.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You say in your book that 1 Corinthians 13 is like a portrait of love or a good description of love; but it really is pointing back to the One, [who] was love\/who visited this planet.\n\n<strong>Philip:<\/strong> Yes; I think so. I mean, if you\u20141 Corinthians 13 is a very well-known passage of Scripture. Most of us have heard it at a lot of weddings, for example. This book is really just a careful exposition, and explanation\/application of the full richness of\n\n1 Corinthians 13.\n\nI don't think, at the beginning of this passage, the Apostle Paul says \u201cNow, let me tell you what the love of Jesus is like.\u201d But when you start going through, \u201cOkay; where have I seen this kind of patient, non-envious, non-boastful, fully kind\u2014I mean, you start going through the list, and what is the best example of this love? Where do we see it fully fleshed out? Of course, the answer to that is in the life of Jesus Christ. I think this passage is a great lens for looking at the life of Christ; and if you want the full portrait of 1 Corinthians 13, you see it lived out in the life, and death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It's interesting to me, too; because from an apologetics standpoint, that's <em>not<\/em> the center of the picture for other prophets or deities around the world. We don't think of Allah as the god of love. We don't think of Buddha as being the\u2014love being at the center of the bull's eye. For the Christian, this is the <em>sine qua non<\/em>; isn't it?\n\n<strong>Philip:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, you know, John says that in his epistles; doesn't he? \u201cGod is love,\u201d\u2014he makes a direct identification of God as love. And you could equally\u2014the Bible, I don't think, says it in so many words\u2014but Jesus is love. That's certainly the message of the gospel. Of course, there are other attributes of the character of Christ\u2014so love isn\u2019t His <em>only<\/em> attribute\u2014but if you're looking for the living definition of love, that<em> is <\/em>in the person and in the work of Jesus Christ.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So you and Lisa have been married 25 years.\n\n<strong>Philip:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What have you learned\u2014from gazing into the life of Jesus Christ\u2014what have you learned about loving her?\n\n<strong>Philip:<\/strong> Yes; well, how long do we have on today's broadcast? [Laughter] You know, one thing we often joke about\u2014this is something that her mother would say, from time to time\u2014is: \u201cThe first 25 years are the hardest.\u201d So, next year, will say, \u201cThe first 26 years are the hardest.\u201d [Laughter]\n\nI mean, marriage is an amazing crucible for discipleship\/for the life of sanctification. I tell young people: \u201cWhen you are prayerfully making a decision about a life partnership, you are really choosing the person that you will become; because this relationship will have a bigger impact on your sanctification than any other relationship.\u201d\n\nI think\u2014I mean, if you ask me just: \u201cWhat's the first thing that comes to mind? What have I learned about love from being married to Lisa Maxwell for 25 years?\u201d I have learned how selfish I am\u2014that's the first thing that comes to my mind\u2014 because there are all kinds of things that you just cater to your own wants and desires. That doesn't really get fully exposed until you live with somebody in that close proximity. Maybe, she would say, you know, I haven't learned enough about the love of Jesus yet. [Laughter]\n\nBut I\u2014you know, you look back over 25 years, and you're able to say, \u201cPraise God, I'm <em>not<\/em> the man that I was at the beginning of this relationship.\u201d Hopefully, you know, I'll be able\u201425 years later from now\u2014I\u2019ll be able to say, \u201cYou know, at this point, I'm not the man I was 25 years ago.\u201d It's a lifelong process.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> To that point, you mentioned, earlier, that the Greek language is robust in describing the one English word we have called love. Just real quickly\u2014because I think our listeners could benefit from this\u2014unpack the different Greek words\u2014that we have, in English, one word to describe\u2014that's \u201clove.\u201d\n\n<strong>Philip:<\/strong> Yes; I was mentioning earlier, this is part of the richness of the biblical teaching on love. You know, this is something that C. S. Lewis gave a great exposition of in his book, <em>The Four Loves<\/em>, where he talks about <em>storge<\/em>, which is a very comfortable, familiar, shoe leather kind of love\u2014that's an analogy that's often given.\n\n<em>Agape,<\/em> which is a unique New Testament term\u2014which Paul really <em>frequently<\/em> uses in the epistles\u2014which is a selfless love; it's an active love. You have <em>eros<\/em>, which, of course, we get our vocabulary of erotic; and it's more in the category of a romantic love. And it has this passion to it that's in a love relationship. And <em>filia<\/em>, which is brotherly love\u2014like Philadelphia, the City of Brotherly Love.\n\nAnd even that vocabulary shows that there are different relationships in life that have a different <em>quality<\/em>. I have a different kind of love relationship with a close colleague that I've worked with in ministry than I do with Lisa as my wife, or even, then, the kind of love that I have for my children. There are different loves that God gives us in life according to our various callings in life.\n\nAnd one thing that I would just emphasize\u2014since we're talking about loving the way that Jesus loves and thinking a little bit about 1 Corinthians 13\u2014I think it's important to recognize 1 Corinthians 13 is about this\u00a0 <em>agape, <\/em>selfle<em>ss<\/em> love that we\u2019re called to, as the followers of Christ.\n\nOne of the <em>huge<\/em> privileges of a life in ministry, where you have the privilege that I have\u2014which is regularly to spend private time studying God's Word in a deep way, preparing to teach God's Word to others\u2014is really digging into the Scriptures and getting a fuller sense of what is really there.\n\nI think kindness\u2014we think of as something that's, you know, a very <em>small<\/em> virtue\u2014if it's a virtue at all\u2014but the biblical notion of kindness is really <em>robust<\/em>; it has a <em>strong<\/em> sense to it. I really go back to the Old Testament in the vocabulary of lovingkindness, which is actually God's covenant faithful love. The whole love of God for His people is really expressed in terms of kindness. So then, rather than thinking of this as a small thing, it's a <em>huge<\/em> privilege for us to be showing kindness to others, in the biblical sense of lovingkindness, in imitation of the amazing lovingkindness of God.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> That's Philip Ryken. Philip is President of Wheaton College. And just as Philip was talking about the lovingkindness of God, it got me thinking about the passage in Galatians\u2014Galatians 5, where it talks about the fruit of the Spirit. You know, that's a <em>great<\/em> reminder of how we're supposed to imitate God\u2014imitate Him and His lovingkindness.\n\nOkay; so now, we have a framework of love and the kind of love that we are to know; because we are loved by God and we love Him. But how do we go about showing this love to others?\u2014because loving others\u2014well, it's <em>hard<\/em> work. It would be <em>so easy<\/em> if we were hermits or something and all we had to do was just love God, but we're <em>not<\/em>. We're surrounded by people, all day long. So where do we start? How about we start with those in our immediate circle?\u2014our family.\n\nBob and Dennis chatted with Paul Miller about loving our families when life is hard. Paul is the Executive Director of the ministry, See Jesus<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. He's a best-selling author; and one of his books is titled<em> Love Walked among Us: Learning to Love Like Jesus Did<\/em>. To give you a little bit of context, as you listen to Paul talk with Dennis Rainey and Bob Lepine, you need to know that Paul's daughter, Kimmie, is sitting in the control room, watching this interview happen.\n\nNow, Kimmie has special needs. She has autism, and she also is mute; but Paul brings her along with him on many of his trips because it enriches her life, and it also enriches his; and he <em>loves<\/em> his daughter! Here's Paul.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Down there, in the crucible, is where you get to know God. If you don't give into bitterness\u2014if you <em>receive<\/em> what the Father has given you in this hard thing, whether it's a difficult spouse, or a disabled child, or a difficult boss\u2014if you receive that as from the Father, then you meet and get to know God in ways that you've <em>never<\/em> imagined. You begin to pick up the cadences of Jesus. He becomes almost physically tangible to you.\n\nHere's just a quick story, just from on the work side\/on the ministry side. I was at a conference, speaking, that had about 500 people in it. We had roving mics. There was one person in the seminar\u2014when I would ask questions\u2014who kept saying a lot of stuff, and it really didn't connect too much with what I was asking about.\n\nAnd the pastor came up to me at the end of Friday night and said, \u201cPaul, I've talked to that person; and you won't have that problem again.\u201d I thanked him for it, because that was a helpful thing to do; but I said: \u201cIt's not the worst thing in the world. In fact, it's a <em>good<\/em> thing for 499 people to see me being <em>patient<\/em> with a slightly-troubled person; because I, by my seminar being mildly ruined\u2014I get to display Christ.\u201d It's just an <em>entirely<\/em> different way of looking at life.\n\nWhat we tend to do is look for the perfection of the seminar, but what Christ wants to find is the perfection of the image of His Son in me. So then, God becomes <em>present<\/em> as we begin to see the beauty of Christ emerge in the church.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> How do you think you and Jill would be different people today if God had not put Kimmie in your life?\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> I can't even imagine it\u2014she's God's best gift us.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> In what way? Give me a tangible way you're a different man today because of her.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Because when you say that, you know, people think, \u201cWell, that's the right Christian answer to say\u2014is that she\u2019s God's gift\u201d; but you say it with sincerity; don't you?\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Oh, yes.\n\nOne of the stories I remember was\u2014I was working at the Independence National Park, the national park downtown. A homeless man\u2014he was drunk\u2014came up to me and this other coworker. He barely got his words out, and I just kind of dismissed him. My friend, who I'm not even sure was a believer, <em>listened<\/em> to the guy\/found out what he wanted. Then, afterward, turned to me and said, \u201cWhy did you treat him that way?\u201d I mean, I was doing the <em>opposite<\/em> of Jesus-looking compassion; so that's what I mean by that.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Your eyesight is better, you're saying.\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> We see much better.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You see people for who they are\u2014image bearers\u2014\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You're a little more patient.\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You listen better.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and your assignment to love them in the moment, regardless of the circumstances.\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes; yes; yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to read a passage of Scripture, and then I want you to just help conclude our broadcast; because this is what you've been talking about all this week. It's found in 1 Peter, Chapter 4, verse 12: \u201cBeloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though\u201d\u2014and this is the part I always smile about\u2014\u201cas though something strange were happening to you.\u201d\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes; yes; yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> In other words, we're to <em>expect<\/em> trials\u2014not be surprised by trials\u2014\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because trials come with an assignment; don\u2019t they?\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It goes on to say, \u201cBut rejoice in so far as you share Christ\u2019s sufferings that you may also rejoice and be glad when His glory is revealed.\u201d That's what it's about; isn\u2019t it?\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes. You begin to taste down payments of that glory, even in the bottom of the crucible, as people begin to see the beauty of Christ emerge out of you.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You're saying you've tasted glory through a daughter, who's 30-plus years old\u2014\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014in loving her, being patient with her, humbling yourself to care for her\u2014giving, giving, giving, and not quitting.\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> That's exactly it.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And to that person, who's got an assignment right now\u2014that may not be packaged just like this was packaged for you and Jill\u2014what would you say to him or her, who\u2019s finding circumstances unbearable?\n\n<strong>Paul:<\/strong> Hang in there; resurrection\u2019s coming! You don't know the timing or the shape of the resurrection; but you can begin to <em>taste<\/em> the resurrection, even as you begin to <em>surrender<\/em> to the path that God has put you on; because immediately, a joy begins to well up in your heart, and you stop fighting the world that God has put you in.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> Paul Miller reminding us that there is <em>hope<\/em>; that the resurrection brings hope in our lives. To hear the entire interview, go to FamilyLifeThisWeek.com\u2014that's FamilyLifeThisWeek.com.\n\nHey, we need to take a break; but you\u2019ll want to stay with us, because we're going to have a discussion with Josh McDowell on the other side. Stay tuned.\n\n[Radio Station Spot Break]\n\nWelcome back to <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>. We are celebrating Easter this weekend, and we are celebrating the ultimate sacrifice of love from our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.\n\nWe're talking about love, and we could <em>not<\/em> talk about a love if we didn't talk with Josh McDowell. He is somebody who knows this love of our Savior well. He's passionate about what he does. He is on staff with Cru, and he's written over 115 books. You might have heard of one of them, called <em>More than a Carpenter<\/em>. Josh is married to Dottie, and they have raised four children. Josh loves Jesus, and he loves to share that love with others.\n\nHe was in the FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> studios, a while back, and talked with Dennis Rainey and Bob Lepine about teaching <em>his<\/em> children how to love others well. Here's Josh.\n\n[Previous <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Broadcast]\n\n<strong>Josh:<\/strong> I need to raise my children to\u2014not just believe that the Bible is the Word of God, and what God says, and everything\u2014but how do you know it's true? How do you know it's true? If we do not do that, then you really don't have much of a way to counteract intolerance in culture today; because you've lost all objective reality.\n\nWhen you were growing up\u2014whatever your pastor taught\/whatever your parents taught you\u2014when you turned on the TV\u2014to various degrees, the structures around you reinforced it\u2014when you went to school\/when you went in the classroom. What your pastor taught and you taught, as a parent, was reinforced. That is no longer true! Right now, this Sunday morning, whatever your pastor teaches\/whatever you teach your kids\u2014the moment they turn on TV, they go to their internet, they go to Facebook<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, they walk down the street\u2014almost <em>every<\/em> structure and culture flies in the face.\n\nAnd this is why I say: \u201cMom and Dad, you were able to survive with a belief system. Your kids <em>won't<\/em>, without convictions. If you raise your children the way your parents raised you, you\u2019ll probably lose them.\u201d Why?\u2014because your parents, who did a great job for that culture at that time, raised you with a very good belief system\u2014that won't work anymore.\n\nYou must now raise your children with convictions. A conviction is knowing <em>what<\/em> you believe, <em>why<\/em> you believe it\u2014now, this is important\u2014and experiencing it in your life. Most people say, \u201cWell, if it's true, it will really work.\u201d You see, today, 78 percent of evangelical Christian young people, when asked the question, \u201cHow do you know something's true?\u201d\u2014not \u201cBecause Jesus said it in the Bible,\u201d\u2014no!\u2014\u201c\u2026if it works!\u201d\n\nA kid says, \u201cIf it really works, it is true.\u201d And here is the problem with that\u2014say a pastor\/somebody makes a decision to enter into sexual immorality\u2014pornography or whatever. The average adult in the church would say, \u201cWell, the pastor is not living the truth.\u201d The child will look at that and say, \u201cNot true!\u201d What's not true? \u201cWhatever the pastor teaches.\u201d Why?\u2014\u201cIt doesn't work.\u201d This is why hypocrisy today has <em>ten times<\/em> the impact it used to have; because now, it reflects on truth <em>itself<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You made an observation\u2014earlier, when we were talking about this\u2014that I think would be good for our listeners to hear. You were saying most people do not move away from the anchor of the biblical faith because they are persuaded, intellectually, away. You said most of them rearrange their intellect because they're persuaded, <em>morally<\/em>, in a different direction.\n\n<strong>Josh:<\/strong> I learned that over\u2014I don\u2019t know how many years\u20141,216 universities I have lectured in. Almost every time I ever met a professor, a graduate student, or anyone who's adamant against Christianity\u2014just attacks Christians\/would ridicule me when I'd come to the campus\u2014I can say, almost 100 percent of the time, when I was able to spend time with that person, they did not have an intellectual question. They had a moral problem.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Josh:<\/strong> They had a <em>moral<\/em> problem with it. Now, here's the key: \u201cWell, Josh, what do you do? What do we teach our children?\u201d I refused to ever teach my children to be tolerant, because I believe you <em>diminish<\/em> the value of a person. I raised my children to be loving. When you <em>love<\/em> someone, you attribute <em>value<\/em> to their life in the image of God\u2014value, dignity, worth.\n\nWhen you <em>tolerate<\/em> someone, you diminish; because you\u2019re saying: \u201cIt doesn't matter what you believe. Everything is true.\u201d When you <em>love<\/em> someone, you <em>acknowledge<\/em> who they are, as a person. So I raised my children to be loving; and you know, it's interesting\u2014in Psalm 89:14\u2014this ought to be the clamoring bell\u2014it says, \u201cUnfailing love and truth walk before You as attendants.\u201d I raised my children to be loving and to love truth.\n\nBoy! This is so powerful\u2014teach the truth in love. And the thing is\u2014the love there\u2014teach the truth in love\u2014love doesn't make it true. You could teach truth in hatred, and it\u2019s still true\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\n<strong>Josh:<\/strong> \u2014now, nobody will want it! What love does\u2014is fertilize the ground to <em>receive<\/em> the truth. This's why we have to be <em>so<\/em> careful of our attitudes with our own children in everything and show <em>compassion<\/em> for the individual. This is how we must raise our children.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Michelle:<\/strong> I think the world needs just a <em>few<\/em> more Josh McDowells. It seems like there are just a few men who have such a <em>deep<\/em> passion to equip the next generation with truth, and teaching them <em>why<\/em> it's truth, and how to live it out. We have a link to Josh's ministry on our website, along with the full interview that he had with Dennis and Bob. Go to FamilyLifeThisWeek.com\u2014that's FamilyLifeThisWeek.com.\n\nHey! If you're a working mom\u2014oh, let me clarify that\u2014because I know all moms work! But if you are a working mom, outside the home, do you deal with mom guilt? As my friend, Megan, says, \u201cIt's the constant feeling that you're missing something, somewhere; and you just can't seem to find it; because your kids want 100 percent of your time\/your job wants 100 percent of your time.\u201d How do you mash those together? Oh, and then, there's the husband, who wants some of your time too. We\u2019re going to talk with my good friend and co-worker, Shannon Simmons, next week. We're going to discuss mom guilt and how to deal with it.\n\nThanks for listening today. I want to thank the President of FamilyLife, David Robbins, along with our station partners around the country. A big \u201cThank you!\u201d to our engineer today, Keith Lynch. Thanks to our producers, Marques Holt and Bruce Goff. Justin Adams is our mastering engineer, and Megan Martin is our production coordinator.\n\nOur program is a production of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, and our mission is to effectively develop godly families who change the world one home at a time. I'm Michelle Hill, inviting you to join us again next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\nWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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