{"id":304804,"date":"2017-12-13T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2017-12-13T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-culture-and-our-kids\/"},"modified":"2017-12-13T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2017-12-13T17:00:00","slug":"the-culture-and-our-kids","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-culture-and-our-kids\/","title":{"rendered":"The Culture and Our Kids"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Do your kids know how to think critically? 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Author John Stonestreet says that\u2019s particularly challenging for parents today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>It\u2019s one thing to have Christian views in a culture, where if you\u2019re [considered] wrong, you are considered silly, or outdated, or quaint, or just wrong; it\u2019s another thing to live in a cultural moment, where to have certain beliefs is, not only to be considered wrong, but to be considered evil. That means a different level of preparation of our kids for this cultural moment than even the ones that we were raised in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, December 13<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I'm Bob Lepine. How do we raise children who can be salt and light and, at the same time, strangers and aliens in this culture? We\u2019ll talk about that today with our guest, John Stonestreet. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. One of the things your wife has always been passionate about, as you\u2019ve raised your kids and now as you\u2019re working with your grandkids, is that they have\u2014she likes to call it critical-thinking skills; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>She was all over that. Basically, she is talking about children who know how to think <em>from<\/em> the Bible to life\u2014they know who God is; they know who they are, as a result of knowing who God is; and they apply the Scriptures to the issues they\u2019re facing in life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat, basically, is what our guest on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> all this week has been talking about. John Stonestreet joins us again for another discussion on how parents are to help their children think about culture. John, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Thanks, it\u2019s been a great couple of days with you guys. Thanks so much for letting me be a part of this program.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do you think young people today have good critical-thinking skills?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Is that a trick question? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDo I think most adults have good\u2026\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNo; I mean, look, it is one thing to have an opinion \/ it\u2019s another thing to have an <em>informed<\/em> opinion. It is one thing to make an assertion; it\u2019s another thing to make an argument. We have a culture that has chosen, you know, loud, verbose assertions in the place of actually making reasoned arguments. We\u2019ve substituted feeling for thinking. Critical thinking is not high on our culture\u2019s priority list; and in an age of information, then that means our kids are easily deceived.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>To that point, you\u2019ve written a book called <em>A Practical Guide to Culture: Helping the Next Generation Navigate Today\u2019s World<\/em>. In your book, you make the statement, \u201cMany students struggle with ideas simply because they don\u2019t know how to think.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>That\u2019s absolutely right. One of the best things we can do is take a cue from the two greatest educators in history. We wanted this book to be as practical as possible. This is an example\u2014you know, here\u2019s a strategy you can keep in your back pocket and teach kids to think. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the most important things that kids need to be able to <em>do<\/em> is wrestle with the definition of words. G.K. Chesterton said, \u201cIf words aren\u2019t worth fighting for, what on earth would be?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, the two greatest educators in history, Jesus and Socrates, were great at, not just giving answers, but <em>asking<\/em> good questions. Here\u2019s a question every parent\/educator should have in their back pocket all the time: \u201cWhat do you mean by that?\u201d Think about the times you\u2019ve had a conversation with someone else and you realize, about midway through: \u201cYou\u2019re using the same vocabulary, but you\u2019re using a different dictionary\u201d; right?\u2014\u201cyou don\u2019t mean the same thing.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember once having a conversation with a woman on an airplane, who asked me how I could believe in God. I said, \u201cWell, what do you mean by God?\u201d She said, \u201cA grumpy old man with a beard, who can\u2019t wait for you to do something wrong so he can strike you with a lightning bolt.\u201d I was like, \u201cWell lady, I don\u2019t believe in Zeus,\u201d\u2014right? [Laughter]\u2014\u201cThat\u2019s not who\u2026\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was the <em>power<\/em> of defining words. Think about the words that take kids captive these days: words like \u201clove\u201d \/ \u201cWhat is love?\u201d\u2014\u201cfreedom\u201d \/ \u201c[Is] freedom doing whatever I want?\u201d or \u201cIs freedom being who I\u2019m created to be?\u201d\u2014<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014\u201ctruth,\u201d \u201cmale and female,\u201d \u201cmarriage,\u201d \u201csex,\u201d \u201cmeaning,\u201d \u201cpurpose.\u201d These are words that <em>demand<\/em> a definition. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s one of the ways, I think, to create what Nancy Pearcey once called \u201ca baloney detector\u201d\u2014right?\u2014is teaching kids: \u201cWhat do you mean by that?\u201d whenever they use a word\u2014whenever they hear a word \/ whenever you\u2019re watching a movie and a word is used\u2014\u201cWhat do they mean by that?\u201d Getting at the definition is one way to get started.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I ran across an illustration of what you\u2019re talking about, flying back from Atlanta. I sat next to a Chick-fil-A<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> operator\u2014owner\/operator of one of their stores. I asked him the question\u2014I said, \u201cTell me the biggest difference you see between kids today and when our kids used to work for you.\u201d Five of our six children worked at Chick-fil-A for this owner\/operator, and he\u2019s been doing this for 30 years. I said, \u201cWhat\u2019s the biggest difference?\u201d He said: \u201cThey don\u2019t know how to think and solve problems.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cIf you can\u2019t Google<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> it \/ if you can\u2019t go online and check it out, they don\u2019t know how to look at an issue and how to think their way through to a solution.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is permeating our culture much more than we think. As parents, we need to be on this and training our children\u2014back to what you said, Bob, what Barbara did\u2014help your children know how to critically think their way through problems, issues, definitions\u2014like you\u2019re talking about\u2014and also, how to think about some of the issues that are coming at them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet\u2019s just take one of the issues, culturally, that is attacking our youth today\u2014pornography. Where are you starting with your girls? You have three girls who are 12 and under; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You undoubtedly are talking about this culture of pornography, even though they are not the ones that are being primarily targeted, like the boys are. Where are you starting with them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Well, I think the first thing is\u2014I\u2019ll tell you what jolted me into reality on this issue\u2014was having a conversation with Josh McDowell. Josh, of course, has spent a lot of time on this issue. I was sitting at an airport, early in the morning; we both were catching an early flight from a conference. He looked at me and he said, \u201cJohn, the question is not, \u2018<em>Will<\/em> your daughters see pornography?\u2019 but \u2018What will happen when they do?\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe live in a culture of aggressive pornography \/ predatory pornography. That\u2019s the first thing to understand\u2014is that internet users \/ the average of first exposure to pornography by internet users is nine years old\u2014and that\u2019s an old statistic \/ newer ones are making that age younger, and younger, and younger.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe first conversation we\u2019ve had with our daughters is the idea of what it means to be human\u2014that: \u201cGod actually created us. He created us with bodies and that these bodies are good things; but they can be used, like all good things, in wrong ways.\u201d So giving that framework, first of all, before telling them, \u201cDon\u2019t watch pornography.\u201d \u201cWhat is the human body for? What did God give it to us for?\u2014introducing that concept of kind of sacredness to how God has made us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe second thing, though, is just to have some\u2014and there\u2019s just no way around this\u2014have some very important safeguards in your home. It\u2019s <em>insane<\/em> for a kid to have unfettered, unregulated access to the internet in the privacy of their own bedroom.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Do your daughters have cell phones that are live to the internet?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>No, actually; they don\u2019t. That\u2019s one of the geographic\u2014we talk about this\u2014geography has a lot to do with purity; right? I mean, Joseph said, \u201cNo,\u201d to Potiphar\u2019s wife, day in and day out, until one day, he realized he needed to get out of there. Sometimes, we just need to have that sort of boundary\u2014so we have those boundaries with our kids: certainly, no access to the internet in the privacy of their bedroom \/ they\u2019re using our devices, not their own devices. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, you know, that will change as they go into teen years. Every parent has to make that decision about when they offer that sort of access. Parents, oftentimes, seem to have this view that: \u201cWell, my kids deserve their privacy in this area. I don\u2019t <em>need<\/em> to know my kid\u2019s password.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKnow your kids\u2019 passwords! Know what device they\u2019re using \/ check their history\u2014it\u2019s not unloving to do that\u2014it\u2019s actually <em>loving<\/em> them, because there are forces out there that <em>hate<\/em> them and that are trying to steal their souls.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think part of it is you just have to get over, as a parent or as a youth pastor, this somehow sacrosanct idea that, \u201cMy kids deserve their own privacy, and I don\u2019t have the right.\u201d No; you do; you have a responsibility to be in your kid\u2019s life at that level.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019ll never forget watching TV in San Diego one morning before I flew out. It was about parents snooping on their kids, and they were talking like that was wrong for parents to snoop and to try to catch their kids in deceit or in lies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>And that\u2019s one of the <em>lies<\/em> of our culture, Dennis\u2014that sexuality has not only become a personal thing\u2014it\u2019s become <em>privatized<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is why God gave us marriage, because what marriage <em>does<\/em>\u2014is it makes us publicly accountable for a personal act of sexuality. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>This is a lie across the culture\u2014it came from the FDA when they said that, \u201cWell, girls of any age should be able to buy Plan \u2018B\u2019 over the counter without a prescription.\u201d Really? I mean: \u201cYou don\u2019t think a girl should have to, at least, consult a doctor\/physician, or her parents?\u201d\u2014no?! The Plan \u201cB\u201d vending machine at universities that has been in the news over the last couple years\u2014really?\u2014no one else needs to know about someone\u2019s risky sexual behavior? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSee, this is all part of a trend to privatize sexuality. It\u2019s a personal act, but it has very public reality \/ very public consequences. Parents have to actually help their kids by making them publicly accountable about these things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You know, one of the things that I think closes kids up is that they get shamed by their parents or they don\u2019t feel like it\u2019s safe to tell their parents something that happened that they didn\u2019t choose to do\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014they were just\u2014a screen was put in front of their faces without a choice about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. I had a mom come to me in a conference that I was speaking at. I was talking about this particular issue; and she said, \u201cThe reason I\u2019m here is because my nine-year-old came to me and said, \u2018Mommy, what\u2019s a pervert?\u2019\u201d She said, \u201cWell, how did you know that word?\u201d And he said, \u201cI was on the computer; and a pop-up came up: \u2018Are you a pervert?\u2019 and I clicked.\u201d You know what he saw next. I encouraged that mom\u2014in that case, they\u2019re not looking for porn\u2014porn\u2019s looking for <em>them<\/em>. There is a very predatory reality there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, what we\u2019re trying to do is develop disciplines in <em>all<\/em> areas of life. When our daughters see something that they shouldn\u2019t\u2014that there\u2019s actually a spiritual discipline of averting your eyes \/ of just making a choice\u2014you actually have to decide to move your eyes from one direction to the other. This is something all men have to learn \/ all women have to learn as well\u2014and not just in areas of sexuality\u2014but in violence or anything else that we see in our culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd that\u2019s a habit. We talk a lot in the book, by the way, about habits that we need and kids need. We also\u2014and I think your point was really wise, which is we create this shame, as if somehow <em>they\u2019re<\/em> to blame that something else basically assaulted them with an image. Making them believe and aware that that is always open\u2014to come to you and lets you know: \u201cThis is what I saw. How do I make sense of this?\u201d\u2014that you\u2019ll talk them through it. That has to be the posture that we have to our kids in an age of predatory pornography.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I think, at points, maybe hiding your shock.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Because they may show you something they\u2019ve seen, and it may stun <em>you<\/em> beyond belief.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to go to another issue in our culture\u2014the whole concept of hooking up. You have daughters, and you said you\u2019re concerned about all the boys in the world as a result of having daughters. How are you talking to your daughters about maintaining their personal moral and sexual purity? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>I think one of the things is just, again, going back to what we said\u2014that before they know what to do with sex, they need to know who they are \/ what they\u2019re made for; and then, as part of that, what sex is for. G.K. Chesterton said: \u201cThere are a lot of ways to fall down. There\u2019s only one way to stand up straight.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn our culture\u2014I think, particularly, in the Christian world\u2014we spend a lot of time talking about different sexual issues\u2014maybe homosexuality\/transgenderism\u2014something like that\u2014that are kind of the hot topics. We fail to then really address the overall sexual brokenness that we see in our culture; and the hookup culture is one of those ways, where everything is sexualized.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, the first thing we talk about with our kids is\u2014what sex is for. We started that at a really young age. Your resources, at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis, have been very, very helpful in having that journey with our kids. So, thank you for that. That\u2019s one of the resources we recommend in the book, <em>A Practical Guide to Culture<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other thing, though, is helping students understand\u2014going back to the definition of words: \u201cWhat do we mean by love?\u201d I wonder if the most significant book that we can read to help our kids right now\u2014other than mine, of course\u2014is <em>The Four Loves<\/em> by C.S. Lewis. See, we live in a culture that\u2019s taken the <em>multitude<\/em> of ways that the Bible talks about what it means to relate to one another\u2014right?\u2014<em>agape<\/em>, sacrificial love; <em>phileo<\/em>, the brotherly love; <em>eros<\/em>, that romantic, passionate love\u2014and we\u2019ve kind of dumbed it down in our culture to just being either sentimental or sexual. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe hookup culture, I think, by and large, comes about by a culture that doesn\u2019t know how to relate to each other; because all we know is one of those two definitions of love\u2014we either sentimentalize love and make it something that\u2019s really weak and sad or we sexualize love. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe talked about this recently on <em>BreakPoint<\/em>\u2014that two young guys \/ two young teenagers want to be good friends. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Bible had an understanding of male-male love that wasn\u2019t sexualized, but in our culture, it almost always becomes sexual. So, helping them understand, from the earliest age, the broad ways that humans \/ that God has given us the capacity to love each other. It seems kind of esoteric, but I think it\u2019s about as practical as we can get. They need categories of what it means to love each other.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And as they go into junior high, they\u2019re going to need, not only categories, but some words to put with those categories to understand what their peers are believing and their peers are promoting; because in junior high and high school, parents take second place to peers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019re about to send your daughters into that category of education, but also of peer pressure. What are you going to do to prepare them around the issue of sexual orientation?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>That is\u2014again, we go back again: \u201cWhat is sex for?\u201d You have to start there\u2014you have to start with, \u201cWhat did God <em>intend<\/em> sexuality to be?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other distinction I think that needs to be made, when it comes to sexual orientation in their minds, is the difference between behavior and identity. That identity struggle that we talked about last time is, to me, so important. From the earliest age in our culture, what students hear is that the most significant thing about who they <em>are<\/em> is their sexual inclinations and attractions\u2014that, somehow, that trumps everything\u2014that trumps what body parts you have, that trumps what the procreative process looks like, that trumps laws and that\u2014you know, trumps experiences. You really have to back pedal on this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe second thing is to have this conversation early, not late; because I tell you what\u2014we don\u2019t always get to choose the timing of our conversations. When the Supreme Court ruled on the Obergefell decision, we started that conversation with our six-year-old\u2014that there actually is this belief that marriage is not just mommies and daddies but can be two mommies or two daddies\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and: \u201cWhy isn\u2019t that God\u2019s design?\u201d and \u201cWhy is the government\u2014even though the government does a lot of things right\u2014why are they wrong on this one?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI <em>didn\u2019t<\/em> want to have that conversation. When I signed up\u2014you know, Sarah and I were going to get married and I thought we were going to have kids\u2014I did not want to have a conversation with a six-year-old about sexual orientation; but I don\u2019t get that choice, because I live in this particular cultural moment that God chose.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>John, here\u2019s the issue, though\u2014your kids may think <em>rightly<\/em> about human sexuality. If they <em>do<\/em>, what they\u2019re going to face is an unrelenting onslaught of both peer <em>and<\/em> adult pressure to change their views or be ostracized. How are you helping your kids get ready for that standing alone that is going to be required of them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Bob, I\u2019m so glad you asked that question. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI wish I had the silver bullet here, because the reality is\u2014it is one thing to have Christian views in a culture, where if you\u2019re [considered] wrong, you\u2019re considered silly, or outdated, or quaint, or just wrong. It\u2019s another thing to live in a cultural moment, where to have certain beliefs is, not only to be considered wrong, but to be considered evil. That means a different level of preparation of our kids for this cultural moment than even the ones that we were raised in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember in a Sunday school class once, a teacher telling a story about a missionary who was martyred and saying, \u201cWould you be willing to die for your faith?\u201d\u2014it was this complete hypothetical situation. Certainly, that could have happened to any of us; but it didn\u2019t. What\u2019s going to happen to all of our kids is kind of the hypothetical\u2014which isn\u2019t a hypothetical\u2014which is: \u201cAre you <em>willing<\/em> to lose friends because you\u2019re going to be faithful to Jesus?\u201d \u201cAre you willing to be kicked out of your degree program at your university?\u201d Cultural success in this moment is a lot more like Hans and Sophie Scholl, that we talked about\u2014you know, being willing to pay the price, even unto death, for things that are ultimately true and good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the ways we do that, Bob, is by telling stories of Hans and Sophie Scholl, and Dietrich Bonhoeffer, and William Wilberforce, and Martin Luther King, and individuals whose beliefs about life in the world and about people were culturally unpopular and led them to have to pay a price. I think you have to go back to that point and show some heroes of the faith. I think that\u2019s what the author of Hebrews does in Hebrews, Chapter 11; and that leads up to Hebrews, Chapter 12: \u201cSo therefore <em>you<\/em> run with patience the race that is set before you [emphasis added].\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>When I was reading your book, I noticed that you told that story about Hans and Sophie. Barbara tells it in a book she wrote called <em>Growing Together in Courage<\/em>. The storytelling that you\u2019re talking about, John, is also a lost art today; because we\u2019re so busy with our electronics, we\u2019re not wrapping flesh around people who experienced God and God energized them and gave them the courage to take a stand as they faced the enemy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>It\u2019s absolutely <em>huge<\/em>, Dennis; because culture is most powerful\u2014not in where it\u2019s most blatant but where it\u2019s most subtle\u2014because it captures your imagination. If you think about in our culture: \u201cWho are the heroes of our culture?\u201d\u2014and other times, heroes made history \/ today, they make CDs and touchdowns; right? I mean, it\u2019s a very different definition of what it means to be heroic. You talk about: \u201cWho are the good guys and the bad guys?\u201d in the movie. \u201cWhat is the heroic act?\u201d in so many movies today?\u2014just following your heart, without ever asking the question [that] maybe your heart\u2019s misinformed or wicked; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, to capture imagination in an area like courage, like you\u2019re just talking about\u2014or any of the other virtues\u2014we talked about perpetual adolescence earlier. That\u2019s a direct antidote to perpetual adolescence\u2014is capturing their imagination with better stories. And there are a lot out there. That\u2019s a great book, Dennis\u2014that Barbara wrote. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy colleague, Eric Metaxas, has written some\u2014you know, <em>7 Men<\/em>;<em> 7 Women<\/em>; <em>Bonhoeffer<\/em>; <em>Amazing Grace<\/em> about Wilberforce\u2014we need to get these heroic biographies in front of our kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And we need to read those stories aloud and, then, interact with them about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJohn, I want to thank you for your book \/ thank you for your work and being a courageous man to stand on behalf of the truth of Scripture and the gospel. You\u2019re a key player in being light in a dark world, especially in our country\u2014being salt and light\u2014helping parents train their kids to be salt and light, in fact, to their generation. Thanks for being on the broadcast. Hope you\u2019ll come back and join us again after you\u2019ve written your next book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Hey, listen, I am so thankful for the work of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014and Dennis, your career, and Bob, your career\u2014it\u2019s just been a terrific inspiration. Thank you so much for having me on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and we hope a lot of parents will take advantage of the work that you\u2019ve done in putting together a practical guide to culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is a great resource for moms and dads to have and to work through with their kids. It\u2019s easy to do a chapter or even a half-a-chapter at the dinner table. This is going to provoke some great conversations with your children to help them think, critically, and think, biblically, about the world we live in and how they should live in the middle of a world that is rapidly moving away from what the Bible teaches. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can get John Stonestreet\u2019s book <em>A Practical Guide to Culture<\/em>, when you go online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website\u2014FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014or call 1-800-358-6329 to order the book\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, this is an exciting time of year for families as we prepare for the Christmas celebration and for the beginning of a new year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere, at FamilyLife, thinking ahead to 2018\u2014there\u2019s a lot that we\u2019re excited about\u2014the launch of a new video series called <em>FamilyLife\u2019s Art of Parenting<\/em>. There\u2019s a movie we\u2019ve made that goes along with that that\u2019ll be in theaters May 1<sup>st<\/sup> and May 3<sup>rd<\/sup>\u2014Stephen and Alex Kendrick helped us with that film. We\u2019re excited about giving you guys a chance to see the movie. And there are a lot of other ministry projects that we\u2019re focused on, all designed to try to continue to provide practical biblical help and hope for couples \/ for moms and dads\u2014for whole families. Our goal is to effectively develop godly families\u2014as many as possible\u2014because we believe godly families can change the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd the next couple of weeks are going to be critical for helping us know just how forward-thinking we can be as we look to 2018. This is a season of the year when a lot of people think about making a yearend contribution to a ministry like <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, and those yearend contributions will set the course for us in the year ahead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe good news is\u2014we have a matching gift that\u2019s in place. 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That means a different level of preparation of our kids for this cultural moment than even the ones that we were raised in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, December 13<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I'm Bob Lepine. How do we raise children who can be salt and light and, at the same time, strangers and aliens in this culture? We\u2019ll talk about that today with our guest, John Stonestreet. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. One of the things your wife has always been passionate about, as you\u2019ve raised your kids and now as you\u2019re working with your grandkids, is that they have\u2014she likes to call it critical-thinking skills; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>She was all over that. Basically, she is talking about children who know how to think <em>from<\/em> the Bible to life\u2014they know who God is; they know who they are, as a result of knowing who God is; and they apply the Scriptures to the issues they\u2019re facing in life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat, basically, is what our guest on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> all this week has been talking about. John Stonestreet joins us again for another discussion on how parents are to help their children think about culture. John, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Thanks, it\u2019s been a great couple of days with you guys. Thanks so much for letting me be a part of this program.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do you think young people today have good critical-thinking skills?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Is that a trick question? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDo I think most adults have good\u2026\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNo; I mean, look, it is one thing to have an opinion \/ it\u2019s another thing to have an <em>informed<\/em> opinion. It is one thing to make an assertion; it\u2019s another thing to make an argument. We have a culture that has chosen, you know, loud, verbose assertions in the place of actually making reasoned arguments. We\u2019ve substituted feeling for thinking. Critical thinking is not high on our culture\u2019s priority list; and in an age of information, then that means our kids are easily deceived.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>To that point, you\u2019ve written a book called <em>A Practical Guide to Culture: Helping the Next Generation Navigate Today\u2019s World<\/em>. In your book, you make the statement, \u201cMany students struggle with ideas simply because they don\u2019t know how to think.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>That\u2019s absolutely right. One of the best things we can do is take a cue from the two greatest educators in history. We wanted this book to be as practical as possible. This is an example\u2014you know, here\u2019s a strategy you can keep in your back pocket and teach kids to think. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the most important things that kids need to be able to <em>do<\/em> is wrestle with the definition of words. G.K. Chesterton said, \u201cIf words aren\u2019t worth fighting for, what on earth would be?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, the two greatest educators in history, Jesus and Socrates, were great at, not just giving answers, but <em>asking<\/em> good questions. Here\u2019s a question every parent\/educator should have in their back pocket all the time: \u201cWhat do you mean by that?\u201d Think about the times you\u2019ve had a conversation with someone else and you realize, about midway through: \u201cYou\u2019re using the same vocabulary, but you\u2019re using a different dictionary\u201d; right?\u2014\u201cyou don\u2019t mean the same thing.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember once having a conversation with a woman on an airplane, who asked me how I could believe in God. I said, \u201cWell, what do you mean by God?\u201d She said, \u201cA grumpy old man with a beard, who can\u2019t wait for you to do something wrong so he can strike you with a lightning bolt.\u201d I was like, \u201cWell lady, I don\u2019t believe in Zeus,\u201d\u2014right? [Laughter]\u2014\u201cThat\u2019s not who\u2026\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was the <em>power<\/em> of defining words. Think about the words that take kids captive these days: words like \u201clove\u201d \/ \u201cWhat is love?\u201d\u2014\u201cfreedom\u201d \/ \u201c[Is] freedom doing whatever I want?\u201d or \u201cIs freedom being who I\u2019m created to be?\u201d\u2014<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014\u201ctruth,\u201d \u201cmale and female,\u201d \u201cmarriage,\u201d \u201csex,\u201d \u201cmeaning,\u201d \u201cpurpose.\u201d These are words that <em>demand<\/em> a definition. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s one of the ways, I think, to create what Nancy Pearcey once called \u201ca baloney detector\u201d\u2014right?\u2014is teaching kids: \u201cWhat do you mean by that?\u201d whenever they use a word\u2014whenever they hear a word \/ whenever you\u2019re watching a movie and a word is used\u2014\u201cWhat do they mean by that?\u201d Getting at the definition is one way to get started.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I ran across an illustration of what you\u2019re talking about, flying back from Atlanta. I sat next to a Chick-fil-A<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> operator\u2014owner\/operator of one of their stores. I asked him the question\u2014I said, \u201cTell me the biggest difference you see between kids today and when our kids used to work for you.\u201d Five of our six children worked at Chick-fil-A for this owner\/operator, and he\u2019s been doing this for 30 years. I said, \u201cWhat\u2019s the biggest difference?\u201d He said: \u201cThey don\u2019t know how to think and solve problems.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cIf you can\u2019t Google<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> it \/ if you can\u2019t go online and check it out, they don\u2019t know how to look at an issue and how to think their way through to a solution.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is permeating our culture much more than we think. As parents, we need to be on this and training our children\u2014back to what you said, Bob, what Barbara did\u2014help your children know how to critically think their way through problems, issues, definitions\u2014like you\u2019re talking about\u2014and also, how to think about some of the issues that are coming at them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet\u2019s just take one of the issues, culturally, that is attacking our youth today\u2014pornography. Where are you starting with your girls? You have three girls who are 12 and under; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You undoubtedly are talking about this culture of pornography, even though they are not the ones that are being primarily targeted, like the boys are. Where are you starting with them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Well, I think the first thing is\u2014I\u2019ll tell you what jolted me into reality on this issue\u2014was having a conversation with Josh McDowell. Josh, of course, has spent a lot of time on this issue. I was sitting at an airport, early in the morning; we both were catching an early flight from a conference. He looked at me and he said, \u201cJohn, the question is not, \u2018<em>Will<\/em> your daughters see pornography?\u2019 but \u2018What will happen when they do?\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe live in a culture of aggressive pornography \/ predatory pornography. That\u2019s the first thing to understand\u2014is that internet users \/ the average of first exposure to pornography by internet users is nine years old\u2014and that\u2019s an old statistic \/ newer ones are making that age younger, and younger, and younger.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe first conversation we\u2019ve had with our daughters is the idea of what it means to be human\u2014that: \u201cGod actually created us. He created us with bodies and that these bodies are good things; but they can be used, like all good things, in wrong ways.\u201d So giving that framework, first of all, before telling them, \u201cDon\u2019t watch pornography.\u201d \u201cWhat is the human body for? What did God give it to us for?\u2014introducing that concept of kind of sacredness to how God has made us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe second thing, though, is just to have some\u2014and there\u2019s just no way around this\u2014have some very important safeguards in your home. It\u2019s <em>insane<\/em> for a kid to have unfettered, unregulated access to the internet in the privacy of their own bedroom.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Do your daughters have cell phones that are live to the internet?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>No, actually; they don\u2019t. That\u2019s one of the geographic\u2014we talk about this\u2014geography has a lot to do with purity; right? I mean, Joseph said, \u201cNo,\u201d to Potiphar\u2019s wife, day in and day out, until one day, he realized he needed to get out of there. Sometimes, we just need to have that sort of boundary\u2014so we have those boundaries with our kids: certainly, no access to the internet in the privacy of their bedroom \/ they\u2019re using our devices, not their own devices. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, you know, that will change as they go into teen years. Every parent has to make that decision about when they offer that sort of access. Parents, oftentimes, seem to have this view that: \u201cWell, my kids deserve their privacy in this area. I don\u2019t <em>need<\/em> to know my kid\u2019s password.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKnow your kids\u2019 passwords! Know what device they\u2019re using \/ check their history\u2014it\u2019s not unloving to do that\u2014it\u2019s actually <em>loving<\/em> them, because there are forces out there that <em>hate<\/em> them and that are trying to steal their souls.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think part of it is you just have to get over, as a parent or as a youth pastor, this somehow sacrosanct idea that, \u201cMy kids deserve their own privacy, and I don\u2019t have the right.\u201d No; you do; you have a responsibility to be in your kid\u2019s life at that level.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019ll never forget watching TV in San Diego one morning before I flew out. It was about parents snooping on their kids, and they were talking like that was wrong for parents to snoop and to try to catch their kids in deceit or in lies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>And that\u2019s one of the <em>lies<\/em> of our culture, Dennis\u2014that sexuality has not only become a personal thing\u2014it\u2019s become <em>privatized<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is why God gave us marriage, because what marriage <em>does<\/em>\u2014is it makes us publicly accountable for a personal act of sexuality. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>This is a lie across the culture\u2014it came from the FDA when they said that, \u201cWell, girls of any age should be able to buy Plan \u2018B\u2019 over the counter without a prescription.\u201d Really? I mean: \u201cYou don\u2019t think a girl should have to, at least, consult a doctor\/physician, or her parents?\u201d\u2014no?! The Plan \u201cB\u201d vending machine at universities that has been in the news over the last couple years\u2014really?\u2014no one else needs to know about someone\u2019s risky sexual behavior? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSee, this is all part of a trend to privatize sexuality. It\u2019s a personal act, but it has very public reality \/ very public consequences. Parents have to actually help their kids by making them publicly accountable about these things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You know, one of the things that I think closes kids up is that they get shamed by their parents or they don\u2019t feel like it\u2019s safe to tell their parents something that happened that they didn\u2019t choose to do\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014they were just\u2014a screen was put in front of their faces without a choice about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. I had a mom come to me in a conference that I was speaking at. I was talking about this particular issue; and she said, \u201cThe reason I\u2019m here is because my nine-year-old came to me and said, \u2018Mommy, what\u2019s a pervert?\u2019\u201d She said, \u201cWell, how did you know that word?\u201d And he said, \u201cI was on the computer; and a pop-up came up: \u2018Are you a pervert?\u2019 and I clicked.\u201d You know what he saw next. I encouraged that mom\u2014in that case, they\u2019re not looking for porn\u2014porn\u2019s looking for <em>them<\/em>. There is a very predatory reality there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, what we\u2019re trying to do is develop disciplines in <em>all<\/em> areas of life. When our daughters see something that they shouldn\u2019t\u2014that there\u2019s actually a spiritual discipline of averting your eyes \/ of just making a choice\u2014you actually have to decide to move your eyes from one direction to the other. This is something all men have to learn \/ all women have to learn as well\u2014and not just in areas of sexuality\u2014but in violence or anything else that we see in our culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd that\u2019s a habit. We talk a lot in the book, by the way, about habits that we need and kids need. We also\u2014and I think your point was really wise, which is we create this shame, as if somehow <em>they\u2019re<\/em> to blame that something else basically assaulted them with an image. Making them believe and aware that that is always open\u2014to come to you and lets you know: \u201cThis is what I saw. How do I make sense of this?\u201d\u2014that you\u2019ll talk them through it. That has to be the posture that we have to our kids in an age of predatory pornography.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I think, at points, maybe hiding your shock.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Because they may show you something they\u2019ve seen, and it may stun <em>you<\/em> beyond belief.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to go to another issue in our culture\u2014the whole concept of hooking up. You have daughters, and you said you\u2019re concerned about all the boys in the world as a result of having daughters. How are you talking to your daughters about maintaining their personal moral and sexual purity? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>I think one of the things is just, again, going back to what we said\u2014that before they know what to do with sex, they need to know who they are \/ what they\u2019re made for; and then, as part of that, what sex is for. G.K. Chesterton said: \u201cThere are a lot of ways to fall down. There\u2019s only one way to stand up straight.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn our culture\u2014I think, particularly, in the Christian world\u2014we spend a lot of time talking about different sexual issues\u2014maybe homosexuality\/transgenderism\u2014something like that\u2014that are kind of the hot topics. We fail to then really address the overall sexual brokenness that we see in our culture; and the hookup culture is one of those ways, where everything is sexualized.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, the first thing we talk about with our kids is\u2014what sex is for. We started that at a really young age. Your resources, at FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis, have been very, very helpful in having that journey with our kids. So, thank you for that. That\u2019s one of the resources we recommend in the book, <em>A Practical Guide to Culture<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other thing, though, is helping students understand\u2014going back to the definition of words: \u201cWhat do we mean by love?\u201d I wonder if the most significant book that we can read to help our kids right now\u2014other than mine, of course\u2014is <em>The Four Loves<\/em> by C.S. Lewis. See, we live in a culture that\u2019s taken the <em>multitude<\/em> of ways that the Bible talks about what it means to relate to one another\u2014right?\u2014<em>agape<\/em>, sacrificial love; <em>phileo<\/em>, the brotherly love; <em>eros<\/em>, that romantic, passionate love\u2014and we\u2019ve kind of dumbed it down in our culture to just being either sentimental or sexual. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe hookup culture, I think, by and large, comes about by a culture that doesn\u2019t know how to relate to each other; because all we know is one of those two definitions of love\u2014we either sentimentalize love and make it something that\u2019s really weak and sad or we sexualize love. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe talked about this recently on <em>BreakPoint<\/em>\u2014that two young guys \/ two young teenagers want to be good friends. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Bible had an understanding of male-male love that wasn\u2019t sexualized, but in our culture, it almost always becomes sexual. So, helping them understand, from the earliest age, the broad ways that humans \/ that God has given us the capacity to love each other. It seems kind of esoteric, but I think it\u2019s about as practical as we can get. They need categories of what it means to love each other.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And as they go into junior high, they\u2019re going to need, not only categories, but some words to put with those categories to understand what their peers are believing and their peers are promoting; because in junior high and high school, parents take second place to peers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019re about to send your daughters into that category of education, but also of peer pressure. What are you going to do to prepare them around the issue of sexual orientation?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>That is\u2014again, we go back again: \u201cWhat is sex for?\u201d You have to start there\u2014you have to start with, \u201cWhat did God <em>intend<\/em> sexuality to be?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other distinction I think that needs to be made, when it comes to sexual orientation in their minds, is the difference between behavior and identity. That identity struggle that we talked about last time is, to me, so important. From the earliest age in our culture, what students hear is that the most significant thing about who they <em>are<\/em> is their sexual inclinations and attractions\u2014that, somehow, that trumps everything\u2014that trumps what body parts you have, that trumps what the procreative process looks like, that trumps laws and that\u2014you know, trumps experiences. You really have to back pedal on this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe second thing is to have this conversation early, not late; because I tell you what\u2014we don\u2019t always get to choose the timing of our conversations. When the Supreme Court ruled on the Obergefell decision, we started that conversation with our six-year-old\u2014that there actually is this belief that marriage is not just mommies and daddies but can be two mommies or two daddies\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and: \u201cWhy isn\u2019t that God\u2019s design?\u201d and \u201cWhy is the government\u2014even though the government does a lot of things right\u2014why are they wrong on this one?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI <em>didn\u2019t<\/em> want to have that conversation. When I signed up\u2014you know, Sarah and I were going to get married and I thought we were going to have kids\u2014I did not want to have a conversation with a six-year-old about sexual orientation; but I don\u2019t get that choice, because I live in this particular cultural moment that God chose.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>John, here\u2019s the issue, though\u2014your kids may think <em>rightly<\/em> about human sexuality. If they <em>do<\/em>, what they\u2019re going to face is an unrelenting onslaught of both peer <em>and<\/em> adult pressure to change their views or be ostracized. How are you helping your kids get ready for that standing alone that is going to be required of them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Bob, I\u2019m so glad you asked that question. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI wish I had the silver bullet here, because the reality is\u2014it is one thing to have Christian views in a culture, where if you\u2019re [considered] wrong, you\u2019re considered silly, or outdated, or quaint, or just wrong. It\u2019s another thing to live in a cultural moment, where to have certain beliefs is, not only to be considered wrong, but to be considered evil. That means a different level of preparation of our kids for this cultural moment than even the ones that we were raised in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember in a Sunday school class once, a teacher telling a story about a missionary who was martyred and saying, \u201cWould you be willing to die for your faith?\u201d\u2014it was this complete hypothetical situation. Certainly, that could have happened to any of us; but it didn\u2019t. What\u2019s going to happen to all of our kids is kind of the hypothetical\u2014which isn\u2019t a hypothetical\u2014which is: \u201cAre you <em>willing<\/em> to lose friends because you\u2019re going to be faithful to Jesus?\u201d \u201cAre you willing to be kicked out of your degree program at your university?\u201d Cultural success in this moment is a lot more like Hans and Sophie Scholl, that we talked about\u2014you know, being willing to pay the price, even unto death, for things that are ultimately true and good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the ways we do that, Bob, is by telling stories of Hans and Sophie Scholl, and Dietrich Bonhoeffer, and William Wilberforce, and Martin Luther King, and individuals whose beliefs about life in the world and about people were culturally unpopular and led them to have to pay a price. I think you have to go back to that point and show some heroes of the faith. I think that\u2019s what the author of Hebrews does in Hebrews, Chapter 11; and that leads up to Hebrews, Chapter 12: \u201cSo therefore <em>you<\/em> run with patience the race that is set before you [emphasis added].\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>When I was reading your book, I noticed that you told that story about Hans and Sophie. Barbara tells it in a book she wrote called <em>Growing Together in Courage<\/em>. The storytelling that you\u2019re talking about, John, is also a lost art today; because we\u2019re so busy with our electronics, we\u2019re not wrapping flesh around people who experienced God and God energized them and gave them the courage to take a stand as they faced the enemy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>It\u2019s absolutely <em>huge<\/em>, Dennis; because culture is most powerful\u2014not in where it\u2019s most blatant but where it\u2019s most subtle\u2014because it captures your imagination. If you think about in our culture: \u201cWho are the heroes of our culture?\u201d\u2014and other times, heroes made history \/ today, they make CDs and touchdowns; right? I mean, it\u2019s a very different definition of what it means to be heroic. You talk about: \u201cWho are the good guys and the bad guys?\u201d in the movie. \u201cWhat is the heroic act?\u201d in so many movies today?\u2014just following your heart, without ever asking the question [that] maybe your heart\u2019s misinformed or wicked; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, to capture imagination in an area like courage, like you\u2019re just talking about\u2014or any of the other virtues\u2014we talked about perpetual adolescence earlier. That\u2019s a direct antidote to perpetual adolescence\u2014is capturing their imagination with better stories. And there are a lot out there. That\u2019s a great book, Dennis\u2014that Barbara wrote. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy colleague, Eric Metaxas, has written some\u2014you know, <em>7 Men<\/em>;<em> 7 Women<\/em>; <em>Bonhoeffer<\/em>; <em>Amazing Grace<\/em> about Wilberforce\u2014we need to get these heroic biographies in front of our kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And we need to read those stories aloud and, then, interact with them about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJohn, I want to thank you for your book \/ thank you for your work and being a courageous man to stand on behalf of the truth of Scripture and the gospel. You\u2019re a key player in being light in a dark world, especially in our country\u2014being salt and light\u2014helping parents train their kids to be salt and light, in fact, to their generation. Thanks for being on the broadcast. Hope you\u2019ll come back and join us again after you\u2019ve written your next book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John: <\/strong>Hey, listen, I am so thankful for the work of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014and Dennis, your career, and Bob, your career\u2014it\u2019s just been a terrific inspiration. Thank you so much for having me on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and we hope a lot of parents will take advantage of the work that you\u2019ve done in putting together a practical guide to culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is a great resource for moms and dads to have and to work through with their kids. It\u2019s easy to do a chapter or even a half-a-chapter at the dinner table. This is going to provoke some great conversations with your children to help them think, critically, and think, biblically, about the world we live in and how they should live in the middle of a world that is rapidly moving away from what the Bible teaches. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can get John Stonestreet\u2019s book <em>A Practical Guide to Culture<\/em>, when you go online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to order: 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website\u2014FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014or call 1-800-358-6329 to order the book\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, this is an exciting time of year for families as we prepare for the Christmas celebration and for the beginning of a new year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere, at FamilyLife, thinking ahead to 2018\u2014there\u2019s a lot that we\u2019re excited about\u2014the launch of a new video series called <em>FamilyLife\u2019s Art of Parenting<\/em>. There\u2019s a movie we\u2019ve made that goes along with that that\u2019ll be in theaters May 1<sup>st<\/sup> and May 3<sup>rd<\/sup>\u2014Stephen and Alex Kendrick helped us with that film. We\u2019re excited about giving you guys a chance to see the movie. And there are a lot of other ministry projects that we\u2019re focused on, all designed to try to continue to provide practical biblical help and hope for couples \/ for moms and dads\u2014for whole families. Our goal is to effectively develop godly families\u2014as many as possible\u2014because we believe godly families can change the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd the next couple of weeks are going to be critical for helping us know just how forward-thinking we can be as we look to 2018. This is a season of the year when a lot of people think about making a yearend contribution to a ministry like <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, and those yearend contributions will set the course for us in the year ahead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe good news is\u2014we have a matching gift that\u2019s in place. Every donation we receive this month is being matched, dollar for dollar. Michelle Hill is here with our daily update on how things are going with the matching gift. Michelle\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle: <\/strong>Hi Bob, so we\u2019re <em>almost<\/em> two weeks into the match and thanks to friends like Frank from Pasadena, Phyllis from Oklahoma City and Stanley from San Francisco\u2026plus three thousand other folks who\u2019ve stepped up, today\u2019s total is\u2026(and I feel like I almost need a little drum roll or something\u2026\uf04a hahaha) \u2026four hundred twenty four thousand four hundred and seventeen dollars! And of course that\u2019s being matched dollar for dollar up to 2 million dollars\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And it\u2019s easy to make a yearend contribution and to have your donation matched, dollar for dollar. You can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to talk with a young woman who had a heart for missions\u2014wound up on the mission field, only to find her faith shaken a bit in the process. Amy Peterson joins us tomorrow to talk about going into dangerous territory. Hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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