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John Stonestreet says the message of Christmas is a message, not of isolation, but of incarnation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Christianity\u2014if we start with what Christianity is\u2014it\u2019s not an escapist religion; right? So, we can\u2019t adjust Christianity to our cultural experience; we\u2019ve got to adjust our cultural experience to what Christianity is. The center of Christianity is the God who became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We <em>do<\/em> <em>not<\/em> have an escapist religion.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, December 11<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. The challenge of living <em>in<\/em> the world without becoming <em>of<\/em> the world is something every generation of Christians has faced and, in our day, the challenge remains. We\u2019ll talk more about it. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I look at what\u2019s going on in our world these days, and more and more I\u2019m singing, \u201cThis world is not my home\u2014I\u2019m just-a passing through!\u201d You know what I mean?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I do; and yet, at the same time, Bob, as you see the world kind of disintegrate, it\u2019s a <em>great<\/em> time to be alive. I mean, if you know Whom you serve and who you are\u2014and you know the God of this Book <em>and<\/em> the Book\u2014you\u2019ve got all that you need to make an impact on this world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And we\u2019re supposed to be on mission; aren\u2019t we?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We are. We\u2019ve got a friend, who\u2019s back with us in the studio\u2014John Stonestreet joins us again. John, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Thanks Dennis. It\u2019s great to be with you. Bob; good to see you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; you too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He\u2019s the president of the Colson Center for Christian Worldview and the co-host of <em>BreakPoint<\/em>, which is a daily commentary on what is happening in our culture. He\u2019s just finished a book. I\u2019ve got to tell you\u2014this is good work that you\u2019ve done here along with your friend, Brett Kunkle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s called <em>A Practical Guide to Culture: Helping the Next Generation Navigate Today\u2019s World<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI use that term, John, myself, a lot these days. We\u2019ve got a generation of young people that need help to know how to handle the waves \/ the tsunamis that come at them, because they\u2019re coming! That\u2019s what you\u2019ve written about in here; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. I think a lot of us feel that pain\u2014that culture has dramatically changed. You could say there\u2019s a\u2014we\u2019re going through a time of cultural upheaval. It shouldn\u2019t have been unexpected\u2014guys like Chuck Colson, and Francis Schaeffer, and others kind of told us where it was going\u2014and they were <em>right<\/em>\u2014I mean, we see this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe next generation is kind of floating around in this. Many of them don\u2019t know how to navigate it. Here\u2019s the thing we know\u2014is leaving the next generation to navigate these waters without any help\u2014that\u2019s not an option. They\u2019re going to lose their soul if that\u2019s what happens.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was alive in the \u201860s\u2014I remember what the \u201860s felt like. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just looking around and going, \u201cThis feels a little bit like one of those cultural mega-shifts that we experienced in the \u201860s.\u201d Do you think we\u2019re seeing accelerated cultural change?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> I think we are. I think technology makes everything happen just a little bit faster. There\u2019s a level of access, as well, that this generation has to the changes in culture that maybe\u2014even when I was growing up\u2014I mean, even talk about an issue like pornography; right? When I was a kid and I wanted to look at dirty pictures, I, at least, had to go and look at a convenient store clerk\u2014at least, face somebody\u2014but man, a kid today? He has that on demand, whenever he wants, on one of the many screens that dominates his life. That sort of stuff\u2014technology and access\u2014that\u2019s really sped things up, I think. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I really like, in the book, how you start by just defining and helping us think through what exactly culture is. I love what Chuck Colson said\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014Chuck said that: \u201cCulture is a reflection of your belief system. It\u2019s really a reflection of your worldview.\u201d Now, that\u2019s looking at it from the top down. Explain: \u201cWhat is culture?\u201d and how it comes about, and how it impacts our life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> I\u2019m glad that we can start there; because I think, sometimes, in the time of cultural upheaval, it\u2019s easy to kind of default to an understanding in definition of culture that\u2019s just defensive: \u201cIt\u2019s all the bad stuff that\u2019s happening out in the world,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand we\u2019re Christians; so we stay out of culture.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut before we decide what to do with culture, we need to figure out: A: \u201cWhat is it?\u201d and B: \u201cWhat does God expect me to do with it?\u201d Defining culture is a little bit tricky; but the simplest way, I think, is that: \u201cIt\u2019s what humans do with the world\u201d; right? If you\u2019ve gone from one country to another country, you\u2019ve experienced different cultures in many ways\u2014it\u2019s not right or wrong to drive on the left side or the right side of the road\u2014but you need to figure out which one it is so that you can live together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCulture is what we make of the world, as human beings. It\u2019s actually a\u2014the way God made us to live in the world. We\u2019re actually made to make things of the world and to create an environment where we live. This environment can go in a direction that brings life and flourishing \/ it can go in a direction that <em>steals<\/em> our humanness, and trivializes people, and treats them as products or things instead of image-bearers. That\u2019s why I love what Chuck said; because, really, what we do with the world is determined by what we deeply believe about the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, the problem is not that we <em>have<\/em> culture; the problem is what we\u2019ve <em>done<\/em> with culture\u2014it\u2019s a reflection of what we <em>believe<\/em> about God, and about truth, and about morality. We have to, ourselves, understand what to do and how to think about the culture around us; but we\u2019re also living with people who have different beliefs, and that creates a lot of the tension.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s where the polarization comes in;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because what we deeply believe we\u2019re divided on, as a nation, today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s leading to\u2014I hate to use the term, \u201ccultural wars\u201d; because we thought we\u2019d put that to bed and we learned to get along. Boy, it\u2019s emerged with a fresh vengeance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Absolutely. There\u2019s a level of divide that our country is in right now\u2014and even our larger culture\u2014and it\u2019s not just political. It\u2019s on what we deeply believe about fundamental questions like: \u201cWhat is true? How do we <em>know<\/em> what it true?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think\u2014one of the things we talk about in the book: \u201cWhat does it mean to be human?\u201d\u2014I mean, when you can\u2019t agree that the person you\u2019re riding the train with or driving behind is actually valuable in and of themselves \/ that they are who they are because they were created by God\u2014that creates a lot of tension in the culture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, we\u2019re sending our kids out to live in this world with other people, who believe differently; and so helping them navigate those differences?\u2014man, it\u2019s huge.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There\u2019s a lot about our culture, though, that is really good. You point this out in your book\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014you said, \u201cCulture is what we do in our world: we invent, imagine, create, tear down, replace, compose, design, emphasize, dismiss, embellish, and engineer.\u201d There\u2019s a lot of positive things about our culture that, I think, we kind of toss them all in the wastebasket, talking about culture just being evil, like you said. But culture, really, is\u2014would it be right to say it\u2019s amoral? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> It\u2019s moral depending on which direction we take it; right? I mean, it\u2019s going to exist\u2014anytime people get together, you\u2019re going to have culture. So to just, basically, take a posture towards the bad things to dismiss culture altogether\u2014\u201cA: It\u2019s not possible, because you can\u2019t really escape culture\u201d; but \u201cB: It\u2019s not actually what God\u2019s called us to do.\u201d Not only do we want this next generation to survive culture <em>now<\/em>\u2014it\u2019s that they grow into adulthood, able to live out their God-given talent and ability, and recognize that those talents and abilities have been, not only given to them by God, but given to them <em>for<\/em> this cultural moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn Acts, Chapter 17, Paul talks about God to the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers. What does he say?\u2014he says, \u201cGod determines the exact times that people live in the boundaries of their dwelling place.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You use a <em>great<\/em> illustration. Share that story, because this is what I like about your book\u2014you not only talk about what\u2019s taking place in the culture\u2014but you call out people to have a chest\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to be courageous today and have an impact on <em>their<\/em> culture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> You\u2019ve got to have a vision of success. If you look at culture, and all the change, and throw your hands up and say: \u201cIt\u2019s terrible! It\u2019s terrible! It\u2019s terrible!\u201d then we\u2019re missing the fact that we\u2019re not the first generation of Christians to find themselves in a <em>very<\/em> difficult cultural moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> We\u2019re not the first generation of Christians to face even things like the sexual brokenness or some of the other kind of really hot topics that we see. The story that I love to tell is a story that really gave me a vision of success: \u201cWhat does it look like for a young person to grow into adulthood and take on their God-given responsibility to make a difference in the culture?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a story of Hans and Sophie Scholl, a brother and sister in Nazi Germany\u2014grew up in kind of a moderate Christian home\u2014kind of the same cultural Christian home that was typical among Germany\u2014most of them went along with the Third Reich. But at university, Hans and Sophie Scholl met some mentors that took Jesus seriously; and they began to take Jesus seriously. As Steve Garber writes about in his book about this story, Hans Scholl wrestled with this question, \u201cI am Christian, and I am German; therefore, I am responsible for Germany.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo this idea that he had <em>met<\/em> Jesus and that God had placed him in this cultural moment came together and coalesced into a vision which led them to actually actively resist Hitler by publishing a series of pamphlets and tracts and distributing them around the university campus. They got caught when they were doing their sixth distribution. Within four days, they had been brought in; they had been tried; they had been convicted; and they had been executed, within four days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And these were college students.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> These were college students! You\u2019d think: \u201cWow! What does it take to get college students to care about the right things and to be able to live out their faith with that sort of conviction?\u201d <em>That\u2019s<\/em> a vision of success, I think, that we can all take seriously. Instead of just throwing our hands up\u2014and either hiding from culture or just throwing our hands up and surrendering to it and just changing our deeply-held beliefs to accommodate the cultural moment lest we be on the wrong side of history\u2014to live deeply out of the truth of the gospel and run into the culture of brokenness, believing the right things and, therefore, acting in the right way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> About three times, now, you\u2019ve said: \u201cWe can\u2019t retreat from\u2026\u201d \/ \u201cWe can\u2019t isolate ourselves from culture.\u201d That\u2019s been a strategy that a lot of Christian parents have tried to employ over the last 30 or 40 years\u2014seal off your house from cultural influence as a way to protect your kids from the toxicity that exists in the culture. You\u2019re saying that strategy won\u2019t work?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> No; but listen; I get the impulse; right?\u2014I have three daughters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Of course; of course.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> I mean, listen\u2014my three daughters\u2014I tell people all the time: \u201cWe just had a son, which is fun; but raising a boy is easier than raising a girl; right?\u2014because, if you have a boy, you just have to worry about a boy. If you have a girl, you have to worry about all the boys in the world.\u201d [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s\u2014you know, the temptation to want to escape\u2014in fact, my wife put on a praise CD when my\u2014maybe four or five years ago\u2014I think it was the song, <em>10,000 Reasons<\/em>, by Chris Tomlin. My middle daughter pipes up, \u201cHey Daddy, is that Justin Bieber?\u201d [Laughter] I go, \u201cWhere did you hear that name?!\u201d\u2014we\u2019ve never talked about Justin Bieber in our home. So we spanked her\u2014I\u2019m just kidding!\u2014we didn\u2019t. [Laughter] We thought of that. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe point is\u2014is you can <em>try<\/em> to escape culture, but you <em>can\u2019t<\/em>. That\u2019s what a lot of parents, who\u2019ve used that strategy, have figured out. Obviously, there\u2019s a level of protection guarding innocence. Our culture <em>steals<\/em> innocence at a very young age, particularly in the area of sexuality. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we\u2019ve got to take that seriously and be <em>very<\/em> intentional about what comes into our homes and so on, but the <em>goal<\/em> isn\u2019t escape.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s the second point, which I think is even more important, is that Christianity\u2014if we start with what Christianity is\u2014it\u2019s not an escapist religion; right? So, we can\u2019t adjust Christianity to our cultural experience; we\u2019ve got to adjust our cultural experience to what Christianity is. The center of Christianity is the God who invaded history. The trajectory of God is to come into the human experience\u2014He didn\u2019t escape. The center of Christianity is the God who became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We <em>do not<\/em> have an escapist religion.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are offered a vision of reality that actually helps us to make sense of the world\u2014a world that God created\u2014said was good \/ [Apostle] John says \u201c\u2026He still loves\u201d\u2014and to live into it by following Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I like how you said it a couple of times in our conversation\u2014you actually said, \u201cWe are saved for something.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s what those German college students, who became martyrs, were willing to give their lives for. They felt like they were called for this time to be in this world and to engage it, purposefully. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, as believers, there\u2019s not enough discussion among us of: \u201cWhat\u2019s your mission?\u201d \u201cWhat does God got you here for?\u201d \u201cWhat are you uniquely gifted to do for this time and this day in this marriage, in this family, and in this culture that will make an impact for the glory of God?\u201d Everybody\u2019s got a mission! The question is: \u201cAre you on that mission right now?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> That\u2019s right; and then connecting that with the culture in which we live\u2014that it\u2019s <em>not<\/em> a mistake that our kids live in today\u2019s world and not another. Listen, if you gave me my choice, I would probably choose that my daughters were raised in a culture in which they\u2019re not, from moment one, judged on the basis of what they look like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> <em>Little House on the Prairie<\/em> looks a lot\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> It looks <em>really<\/em> attractive; doesn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right; I get it! Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> I prefer my son not live in a culture where he\u2019s, essentially, sexually assaulted with bad ideas and images <em>all <\/em>the time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou brought it up, Dennis, and it\u2019s the importance of prepositions. When we talk about our faith, we often talk about what we\u2019re saved <em>from<\/em>\u2014that we\u2019re saved from sin and death and\u2014Man! If that\u2019s all salvation was, that\u2019d still be a great deal\u2014we would still take it. We talk about what we\u2019re saved <em>to<\/em>\u2014you know, heaven, when we die \/ the glory of God\u2014Man! That\u2019s fantastic too! But what are we saved <em>for<\/em>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Why is it that we\u2019re left here in this time and place when we meet Jesus? Why aren\u2019t we just whisked to heaven immediately? Jesus prayed, in his high priestly prayer, recorded in John 17, in the garden, before the crucifixion, \u201cFather, don\u2019t take them out of the world but protect them from the evil one.\u201d For some reason, God wants us, not only in the world, but in this particular time and place. We\u2019ve got to keep that <em>vision<\/em> in front of us as we engage the very specific issues of the culture, which we try to do in the book is\u2014attack the very specific issues\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but you\u2019ve got to have that framework in place first.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Back last summer, I was talking with one of my granddaughters. I was just asking her what she\u2019s seeing, as a young lady, who\u2019s in junior high\u2014middle school, I guess, what they call it today\u2014I just asked her what she was seeing among her peers. Man! I\u2019m telling you\u2014she was on target\u2014she said: \u201cThere\u2019s a lot of confusion. They\u2019re not sure what to think. They\u2019re being swayed by all kinds of things.\u201d I said, \u201cWhat about you?\u201d She said, \u201cWell, you know, I just kind of look at the Bible, and kind of read, and let it\u2014let it sink into my soul.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe went on to really talk about how she\u2019s applying her Christian faith, at a very young age, in the midst of being surrounded by peers that don\u2019t necessarily know why they are here\u2014what their mission is \/ how they\u2019re supposed to impact the world. She\u2019s having an impact on them. I got a chance to put my arm around her and say: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI just want you to know, God\u2019s going to use you in some powerful ways in your friends\u2019 lives over the next half a dozen years, because you\u2019re going to go through high school together \/ may go to college together. Those relationships will endure\u2014you can have a great impact on their lives if you represent the gospel and will speak into their lives.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; you know, the most true thing about any cultural moment we find ourselves in\u2014including the one now\u2014and I\u2019m not trying to gloss over, at any level, the <em>real<\/em> challenges of the moment that are <em>significant<\/em>\u2014but the most true thing about our moment is that Jesus Christ is risen from the dead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs Christians\u2014sometimes, we say that as if it\u2019s a personal truth\u2014well, yes, it\u2019s a <em>personal<\/em> truth; but it\u2019s a <em>public<\/em> truth. It\u2019s public in the sense that: \u201cNo; it is actually true that Jesus Christ rose from the dead; and that He is over human history; and that no Supreme Court decision, no Presidential election, no really bad music video or pop star, that steals our kids\u2019 innocence is ever going to put Jesus back in the grave.\u201d That\u2019s the perspective\u2014and your granddaughter has it; right?\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that the truest thing around her is what we read in the Scripture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> It\u2019s not what we <em>see<\/em>\u2014we look <em>through<\/em> the Scripture to understand the world. We don\u2019t look through the <em>world<\/em> and what\u2019s happening in our culture to renegotiate Scripture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What I want to know is: \u201cWhat you\u2019re doing, as a dad\u2014together with your wife\u2014to have your kids be engaged, culturally, and yet protected from evil\u201d? You quoted the verse that says, \u201cDon\u2019t take them out of this world, but protect them from the evil one.\u201d Where do we find the balance line between enough cultural engagements but not so much that your kids get polluted?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> The first thing is that\u2014from the very beginning, is presenting to them the truth that we see in Scripture about the world. What happens, oftentimes, when we talk about the Bible to our kids\u2014is we\u2019re using kind of disconnected Bible stories to give a specific <em>moral<\/em> lesson. What they learn is that the Bible has really good things to say about morality\u2014which is great\u2014but they don\u2019t understand the Bible <em>as the true story of the world.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you pick up the Scripture and just look at it, what we\u2019re actually given is, not just a set of disconnected\u2014I think Philip Yancey once called it \u201cmoral McNuggets\u201d; right?\u2014[Laughter]\u2014about life in the world\u2014but there\u2019s actually an <em>overarching<\/em> narrative, from creation to new creation\u2014it tells us who God is, and who we are as made in His image, what God\u2019s doing in the world\u2014and why we see the evil, and the brokenness, and the sin around us; and yet, why we also see the goodness, and the beauty, and the truth around us. We try to talk about Scripture, first and foremost, as being that sort of book\u2014not like <em>Aesop\u2019s Fables<\/em> sort of book\u2014but really like: \u201cThis is the map!\u201d\u2014right? \u201cThis is the Big Story\u2014capital \u2018B\u2019 \/ capital \u2018S,\u2019\u201d \u201cThis is the framework.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019ll just say here\u2014what you\u2019ve done in the book is\u2014you\u2019ve given parents, who would say, \u201cI don\u2019t know what to say to my kids in these moments,\u201d\u2014you\u2019ve given them outline on the\u2014the compelling cultural issues of our day so that they can go there and get\u2014get a little coaching before they have those kinds of conversations with their kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> We really tried to do that. We called it a \u201cpractical guide,\u201d which made us make it practical. I think there\u2019s been a lot of really good books written about culture over the last several years\u2014I mean, big framework books\u2014but what we felt <em>wasn\u2019t<\/em> there was just kind of a handbook, like: \u201cIf you\u2019re dealing with this issue, you can look at the table of contents and go to that issue.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> If you want to say, \u201cWell, wait a minute; where did this issue come from and how has it developed?\u201d That\u2019s also there as well\u2014what we call the difference between undercurrents that are happening in our culture and the waves that we are being pounded by.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> John, as I was reading your book, there\u2019s one other thing you give people. You don\u2019t just give them a framework to know how to answer the questions and address culture, but you also give them the courage to do it. I think having the right answer doesn\u2019t guarantee you\u2019ll be courageous, but it sure goes a long way to help a parent step into the battle with their children and address the issues.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I was reading your book, I kept thinking about a verse we\u2019re not quoting often enough these days from the Apostle Paul\u2019s writing to the church in Rome\u2014he writes in Chapter 12\u2014and notice what he says about the world\u2014he says: \u201cI appeal to you therefore brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind; that by testing, you may discern what is the will of God, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can take on the world \/ you can go make an impact on the world if you surrender to Jesus Christ; you\u2019re applying this Book to your life, as best you know how; and you\u2019re passing that truth on to your kids. This is a life-and-death matter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI do think these are days when parents do need to be called to courageous involvement with their kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; I think all of us, as parents, need help knowing how we\u2019re going to answer some of the specific challenges that we face today. That\u2019s where, John\u2014what you\u2019ve written, <em>A Practical Guide to Culture<\/em>\u2014you\u2019re helping parents know what the Bible says \/ why it\u2019s reasonable. You\u2019re helping the next generation navigate the culture in which we live. We\u2019ve got copies of John\u2019s book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order <em>A Practical Guide to Culture<\/em>, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, order online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, here, in the middle of December, most of us continue to have Christmas at the forefront of our thinking\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014preparing for that holiday \/ that celebration\u2014maybe a time with your family. I hope you\u2019re going to get some time with your family during the Christmas holidays. Then, we\u2019re also starting to think about the turning of the calendar. It\u2019s going to be 2018 before we know it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor ministries like ours, this is a very critical time of the year; because what happens over the next few weeks will really determine, for us, how much ministry we\u2019re able to do in 2018. The reason is because we\u2019re listener-supported. The cost of producing and syndicating this daily radio program is covered by folks, like you, who partner with us so that these messages can be heard by more people. What happens in December lets us know whether we can expand or maintain what we\u2019re doing or whether we\u2019ll have to reduce what we do in the months and years ahead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs we\u2019ve talked about today, we don\u2019t think this is a time for pulling back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe think this is a time when this kind of practical biblical help for marriages and families needs to be expanded. The good news is that we\u2019ve got a matching gift that\u2019s available\u2014we\u2019ve been talking about it this month. Our friend, Michelle Hill, is here to give us an update on how things are going with our matching-gift challenge. Michelle\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong>\u2026and Bob, you mentioned expanding our outreaches? well that\u2019s exactly what this matching fund is for. As listeners like Nate and Dorothy call in and make donations, their gifts combine with funds from the match\u2026and this multiplies what we can accomplish\u2026so Bob, I\u2019m grateful to report that as of today, folks have given three hundred fifty six thousand dollars toward the two million dollar match\u2026 which is fantastic! See ya Bob\u2026 \uf04a\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So if you\u2019d like to participate\u2014if you\u2019d like your yearend donation to be multiplied\u2014you can go, online, to donate at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a donation; or you can mail your donation to us at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThank you, Michelle. We\u2019ll see you back tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope we\u2019ll see <em>you<\/em> back tomorrow when John Stonestreet\u2019s going to join us again. We\u2019re going to continue to talk about how we raise counter-cultural children in a culture that continues moving away from biblical thinking. We\u2019ll explore that tomorrow. I hope you can be with us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll see you tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> Ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. 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I\u2019ve got to tell you\u2014this is good work that you\u2019ve done here along with your friend, Brett Kunkle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s called <em>A Practical Guide to Culture: Helping the Next Generation Navigate Today\u2019s World<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI use that term, John, myself, a lot these days. We\u2019ve got a generation of young people that need help to know how to handle the waves \/ the tsunamis that come at them, because they\u2019re coming! That\u2019s what you\u2019ve written about in here; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. I think a lot of us feel that pain\u2014that culture has dramatically changed. You could say there\u2019s a\u2014we\u2019re going through a time of cultural upheaval. It shouldn\u2019t have been unexpected\u2014guys like Chuck Colson, and Francis Schaeffer, and others kind of told us where it was going\u2014and they were <em>right<\/em>\u2014I mean, we see this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe next generation is kind of floating around in this. Many of them don\u2019t know how to navigate it. Here\u2019s the thing we know\u2014is leaving the next generation to navigate these waters without any help\u2014that\u2019s not an option. 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When I was a kid and I wanted to look at dirty pictures, I, at least, had to go and look at a convenient store clerk\u2014at least, face somebody\u2014but man, a kid today? He has that on demand, whenever he wants, on one of the many screens that dominates his life. That sort of stuff\u2014technology and access\u2014that\u2019s really sped things up, I think. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I really like, in the book, how you start by just defining and helping us think through what exactly culture is. I love what Chuck Colson said\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014Chuck said that: \u201cCulture is a reflection of your belief system. It\u2019s really a reflection of your worldview.\u201d Now, that\u2019s looking at it from the top down. Explain: \u201cWhat is culture?\u201d and how it comes about, and how it impacts our life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> I\u2019m glad that we can start there; because I think, sometimes, in the time of cultural upheaval, it\u2019s easy to kind of default to an understanding in definition of culture that\u2019s just defensive: \u201cIt\u2019s all the bad stuff that\u2019s happening out in the world,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand we\u2019re Christians; so we stay out of culture.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut before we decide what to do with culture, we need to figure out: A: \u201cWhat is it?\u201d and B: \u201cWhat does God expect me to do with it?\u201d Defining culture is a little bit tricky; but the simplest way, I think, is that: \u201cIt\u2019s what humans do with the world\u201d; right? If you\u2019ve gone from one country to another country, you\u2019ve experienced different cultures in many ways\u2014it\u2019s not right or wrong to drive on the left side or the right side of the road\u2014but you need to figure out which one it is so that you can live together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCulture is what we make of the world, as human beings. It\u2019s actually a\u2014the way God made us to live in the world. We\u2019re actually made to make things of the world and to create an environment where we live. This environment can go in a direction that brings life and flourishing \/ it can go in a direction that <em>steals<\/em> our humanness, and trivializes people, and treats them as products or things instead of image-bearers. That\u2019s why I love what Chuck said; because, really, what we do with the world is determined by what we deeply believe about the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, the problem is not that we <em>have<\/em> culture; the problem is what we\u2019ve <em>done<\/em> with culture\u2014it\u2019s a reflection of what we <em>believe<\/em> about God, and about truth, and about morality. We have to, ourselves, understand what to do and how to think about the culture around us; but we\u2019re also living with people who have different beliefs, and that creates a lot of the tension.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s where the polarization comes in;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because what we deeply believe we\u2019re divided on, as a nation, today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s leading to\u2014I hate to use the term, \u201ccultural wars\u201d; because we thought we\u2019d put that to bed and we learned to get along. Boy, it\u2019s emerged with a fresh vengeance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Absolutely. There\u2019s a level of divide that our country is in right now\u2014and even our larger culture\u2014and it\u2019s not just political. It\u2019s on what we deeply believe about fundamental questions like: \u201cWhat is true? How do we <em>know<\/em> what it true?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think\u2014one of the things we talk about in the book: \u201cWhat does it mean to be human?\u201d\u2014I mean, when you can\u2019t agree that the person you\u2019re riding the train with or driving behind is actually valuable in and of themselves \/ that they are who they are because they were created by God\u2014that creates a lot of tension in the culture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, we\u2019re sending our kids out to live in this world with other people, who believe differently; and so helping them navigate those differences?\u2014man, it\u2019s huge.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There\u2019s a lot about our culture, though, that is really good. You point this out in your book\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014you said, \u201cCulture is what we do in our world: we invent, imagine, create, tear down, replace, compose, design, emphasize, dismiss, embellish, and engineer.\u201d There\u2019s a lot of positive things about our culture that, I think, we kind of toss them all in the wastebasket, talking about culture just being evil, like you said. But culture, really, is\u2014would it be right to say it\u2019s amoral? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> It\u2019s moral depending on which direction we take it; right? I mean, it\u2019s going to exist\u2014anytime people get together, you\u2019re going to have culture. So to just, basically, take a posture towards the bad things to dismiss culture altogether\u2014\u201cA: It\u2019s not possible, because you can\u2019t really escape culture\u201d; but \u201cB: It\u2019s not actually what God\u2019s called us to do.\u201d Not only do we want this next generation to survive culture <em>now<\/em>\u2014it\u2019s that they grow into adulthood, able to live out their God-given talent and ability, and recognize that those talents and abilities have been, not only given to them by God, but given to them <em>for<\/em> this cultural moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn Acts, Chapter 17, Paul talks about God to the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers. What does he say?\u2014he says, \u201cGod determines the exact times that people live in the boundaries of their dwelling place.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You use a <em>great<\/em> illustration. Share that story, because this is what I like about your book\u2014you not only talk about what\u2019s taking place in the culture\u2014but you call out people to have a chest\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to be courageous today and have an impact on <em>their<\/em> culture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> You\u2019ve got to have a vision of success. If you look at culture, and all the change, and throw your hands up and say: \u201cIt\u2019s terrible! It\u2019s terrible! It\u2019s terrible!\u201d then we\u2019re missing the fact that we\u2019re not the first generation of Christians to find themselves in a <em>very<\/em> difficult cultural moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> We\u2019re not the first generation of Christians to face even things like the sexual brokenness or some of the other kind of really hot topics that we see. The story that I love to tell is a story that really gave me a vision of success: \u201cWhat does it look like for a young person to grow into adulthood and take on their God-given responsibility to make a difference in the culture?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a story of Hans and Sophie Scholl, a brother and sister in Nazi Germany\u2014grew up in kind of a moderate Christian home\u2014kind of the same cultural Christian home that was typical among Germany\u2014most of them went along with the Third Reich. But at university, Hans and Sophie Scholl met some mentors that took Jesus seriously; and they began to take Jesus seriously. As Steve Garber writes about in his book about this story, Hans Scholl wrestled with this question, \u201cI am Christian, and I am German; therefore, I am responsible for Germany.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo this idea that he had <em>met<\/em> Jesus and that God had placed him in this cultural moment came together and coalesced into a vision which led them to actually actively resist Hitler by publishing a series of pamphlets and tracts and distributing them around the university campus. They got caught when they were doing their sixth distribution. Within four days, they had been brought in; they had been tried; they had been convicted; and they had been executed, within four days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And these were college students.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> These were college students! You\u2019d think: \u201cWow! What does it take to get college students to care about the right things and to be able to live out their faith with that sort of conviction?\u201d <em>That\u2019s<\/em> a vision of success, I think, that we can all take seriously. Instead of just throwing our hands up\u2014and either hiding from culture or just throwing our hands up and surrendering to it and just changing our deeply-held beliefs to accommodate the cultural moment lest we be on the wrong side of history\u2014to live deeply out of the truth of the gospel and run into the culture of brokenness, believing the right things and, therefore, acting in the right way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> About three times, now, you\u2019ve said: \u201cWe can\u2019t retreat from\u2026\u201d \/ \u201cWe can\u2019t isolate ourselves from culture.\u201d That\u2019s been a strategy that a lot of Christian parents have tried to employ over the last 30 or 40 years\u2014seal off your house from cultural influence as a way to protect your kids from the toxicity that exists in the culture. You\u2019re saying that strategy won\u2019t work?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> No; but listen; I get the impulse; right?\u2014I have three daughters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Of course; of course.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> I mean, listen\u2014my three daughters\u2014I tell people all the time: \u201cWe just had a son, which is fun; but raising a boy is easier than raising a girl; right?\u2014because, if you have a boy, you just have to worry about a boy. If you have a girl, you have to worry about all the boys in the world.\u201d [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s\u2014you know, the temptation to want to escape\u2014in fact, my wife put on a praise CD when my\u2014maybe four or five years ago\u2014I think it was the song, <em>10,000 Reasons<\/em>, by Chris Tomlin. My middle daughter pipes up, \u201cHey Daddy, is that Justin Bieber?\u201d [Laughter] I go, \u201cWhere did you hear that name?!\u201d\u2014we\u2019ve never talked about Justin Bieber in our home. So we spanked her\u2014I\u2019m just kidding!\u2014we didn\u2019t. [Laughter] We thought of that. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe point is\u2014is you can <em>try<\/em> to escape culture, but you <em>can\u2019t<\/em>. That\u2019s what a lot of parents, who\u2019ve used that strategy, have figured out. Obviously, there\u2019s a level of protection guarding innocence. Our culture <em>steals<\/em> innocence at a very young age, particularly in the area of sexuality. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we\u2019ve got to take that seriously and be <em>very<\/em> intentional about what comes into our homes and so on, but the <em>goal<\/em> isn\u2019t escape.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s the second point, which I think is even more important, is that Christianity\u2014if we start with what Christianity is\u2014it\u2019s not an escapist religion; right? So, we can\u2019t adjust Christianity to our cultural experience; we\u2019ve got to adjust our cultural experience to what Christianity is. The center of Christianity is the God who invaded history. The trajectory of God is to come into the human experience\u2014He didn\u2019t escape. The center of Christianity is the God who became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We <em>do not<\/em> have an escapist religion.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are offered a vision of reality that actually helps us to make sense of the world\u2014a world that God created\u2014said was good \/ [Apostle] John says \u201c\u2026He still loves\u201d\u2014and to live into it by following Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I like how you said it a couple of times in our conversation\u2014you actually said, \u201cWe are saved for something.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s what those German college students, who became martyrs, were willing to give their lives for. They felt like they were called for this time to be in this world and to engage it, purposefully. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, as believers, there\u2019s not enough discussion among us of: \u201cWhat\u2019s your mission?\u201d \u201cWhat does God got you here for?\u201d \u201cWhat are you uniquely gifted to do for this time and this day in this marriage, in this family, and in this culture that will make an impact for the glory of God?\u201d Everybody\u2019s got a mission! The question is: \u201cAre you on that mission right now?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> That\u2019s right; and then connecting that with the culture in which we live\u2014that it\u2019s <em>not<\/em> a mistake that our kids live in today\u2019s world and not another. Listen, if you gave me my choice, I would probably choose that my daughters were raised in a culture in which they\u2019re not, from moment one, judged on the basis of what they look like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> <em>Little House on the Prairie<\/em> looks a lot\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> It looks <em>really<\/em> attractive; doesn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right; I get it! Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> I prefer my son not live in a culture where he\u2019s, essentially, sexually assaulted with bad ideas and images <em>all <\/em>the time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou brought it up, Dennis, and it\u2019s the importance of prepositions. When we talk about our faith, we often talk about what we\u2019re saved <em>from<\/em>\u2014that we\u2019re saved from sin and death and\u2014Man! If that\u2019s all salvation was, that\u2019d still be a great deal\u2014we would still take it. We talk about what we\u2019re saved <em>to<\/em>\u2014you know, heaven, when we die \/ the glory of God\u2014Man! That\u2019s fantastic too! But what are we saved <em>for<\/em>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Why is it that we\u2019re left here in this time and place when we meet Jesus? Why aren\u2019t we just whisked to heaven immediately? Jesus prayed, in his high priestly prayer, recorded in John 17, in the garden, before the crucifixion, \u201cFather, don\u2019t take them out of the world but protect them from the evil one.\u201d For some reason, God wants us, not only in the world, but in this particular time and place. We\u2019ve got to keep that <em>vision<\/em> in front of us as we engage the very specific issues of the culture, which we try to do in the book is\u2014attack the very specific issues\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but you\u2019ve got to have that framework in place first.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Back last summer, I was talking with one of my granddaughters. I was just asking her what she\u2019s seeing, as a young lady, who\u2019s in junior high\u2014middle school, I guess, what they call it today\u2014I just asked her what she was seeing among her peers. Man! I\u2019m telling you\u2014she was on target\u2014she said: \u201cThere\u2019s a lot of confusion. They\u2019re not sure what to think. They\u2019re being swayed by all kinds of things.\u201d I said, \u201cWhat about you?\u201d She said, \u201cWell, you know, I just kind of look at the Bible, and kind of read, and let it\u2014let it sink into my soul.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe went on to really talk about how she\u2019s applying her Christian faith, at a very young age, in the midst of being surrounded by peers that don\u2019t necessarily know why they are here\u2014what their mission is \/ how they\u2019re supposed to impact the world. She\u2019s having an impact on them. I got a chance to put my arm around her and say: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI just want you to know, God\u2019s going to use you in some powerful ways in your friends\u2019 lives over the next half a dozen years, because you\u2019re going to go through high school together \/ may go to college together. Those relationships will endure\u2014you can have a great impact on their lives if you represent the gospel and will speak into their lives.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; you know, the most true thing about any cultural moment we find ourselves in\u2014including the one now\u2014and I\u2019m not trying to gloss over, at any level, the <em>real<\/em> challenges of the moment that are <em>significant<\/em>\u2014but the most true thing about our moment is that Jesus Christ is risen from the dead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs Christians\u2014sometimes, we say that as if it\u2019s a personal truth\u2014well, yes, it\u2019s a <em>personal<\/em> truth; but it\u2019s a <em>public<\/em> truth. It\u2019s public in the sense that: \u201cNo; it is actually true that Jesus Christ rose from the dead; and that He is over human history; and that no Supreme Court decision, no Presidential election, no really bad music video or pop star, that steals our kids\u2019 innocence is ever going to put Jesus back in the grave.\u201d That\u2019s the perspective\u2014and your granddaughter has it; right?\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that the truest thing around her is what we read in the Scripture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> It\u2019s not what we <em>see<\/em>\u2014we look <em>through<\/em> the Scripture to understand the world. We don\u2019t look through the <em>world<\/em> and what\u2019s happening in our culture to renegotiate Scripture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What I want to know is: \u201cWhat you\u2019re doing, as a dad\u2014together with your wife\u2014to have your kids be engaged, culturally, and yet protected from evil\u201d? You quoted the verse that says, \u201cDon\u2019t take them out of this world, but protect them from the evil one.\u201d Where do we find the balance line between enough cultural engagements but not so much that your kids get polluted?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> The first thing is that\u2014from the very beginning, is presenting to them the truth that we see in Scripture about the world. What happens, oftentimes, when we talk about the Bible to our kids\u2014is we\u2019re using kind of disconnected Bible stories to give a specific <em>moral<\/em> lesson. What they learn is that the Bible has really good things to say about morality\u2014which is great\u2014but they don\u2019t understand the Bible <em>as the true story of the world.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you pick up the Scripture and just look at it, what we\u2019re actually given is, not just a set of disconnected\u2014I think Philip Yancey once called it \u201cmoral McNuggets\u201d; right?\u2014[Laughter]\u2014about life in the world\u2014but there\u2019s actually an <em>overarching<\/em> narrative, from creation to new creation\u2014it tells us who God is, and who we are as made in His image, what God\u2019s doing in the world\u2014and why we see the evil, and the brokenness, and the sin around us; and yet, why we also see the goodness, and the beauty, and the truth around us. We try to talk about Scripture, first and foremost, as being that sort of book\u2014not like <em>Aesop\u2019s Fables<\/em> sort of book\u2014but really like: \u201cThis is the map!\u201d\u2014right? \u201cThis is the Big Story\u2014capital \u2018B\u2019 \/ capital \u2018S,\u2019\u201d \u201cThis is the framework.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019ll just say here\u2014what you\u2019ve done in the book is\u2014you\u2019ve given parents, who would say, \u201cI don\u2019t know what to say to my kids in these moments,\u201d\u2014you\u2019ve given them outline on the\u2014the compelling cultural issues of our day so that they can go there and get\u2014get a little coaching before they have those kinds of conversations with their kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> We really tried to do that. We called it a \u201cpractical guide,\u201d which made us make it practical. I think there\u2019s been a lot of really good books written about culture over the last several years\u2014I mean, big framework books\u2014but what we felt <em>wasn\u2019t<\/em> there was just kind of a handbook, like: \u201cIf you\u2019re dealing with this issue, you can look at the table of contents and go to that issue.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> If you want to say, \u201cWell, wait a minute; where did this issue come from and how has it developed?\u201d That\u2019s also there as well\u2014what we call the difference between undercurrents that are happening in our culture and the waves that we are being pounded by.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> John, as I was reading your book, there\u2019s one other thing you give people. You don\u2019t just give them a framework to know how to answer the questions and address culture, but you also give them the courage to do it. I think having the right answer doesn\u2019t guarantee you\u2019ll be courageous, but it sure goes a long way to help a parent step into the battle with their children and address the issues.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I was reading your book, I kept thinking about a verse we\u2019re not quoting often enough these days from the Apostle Paul\u2019s writing to the church in Rome\u2014he writes in Chapter 12\u2014and notice what he says about the world\u2014he says: \u201cI appeal to you therefore brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind; that by testing, you may discern what is the will of God, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can take on the world \/ you can go make an impact on the world if you surrender to Jesus Christ; you\u2019re applying this Book to your life, as best you know how; and you\u2019re passing that truth on to your kids. This is a life-and-death matter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI do think these are days when parents do need to be called to courageous involvement with their kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; I think all of us, as parents, need help knowing how we\u2019re going to answer some of the specific challenges that we face today. That\u2019s where, John\u2014what you\u2019ve written, <em>A Practical Guide to Culture<\/em>\u2014you\u2019re helping parents know what the Bible says \/ why it\u2019s reasonable. You\u2019re helping the next generation navigate the culture in which we live. We\u2019ve got copies of John\u2019s book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order <em>A Practical Guide to Culture<\/em>, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, order online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, here, in the middle of December, most of us continue to have Christmas at the forefront of our thinking\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014preparing for that holiday \/ that celebration\u2014maybe a time with your family. I hope you\u2019re going to get some time with your family during the Christmas holidays. Then, we\u2019re also starting to think about the turning of the calendar. It\u2019s going to be 2018 before we know it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor ministries like ours, this is a very critical time of the year; because what happens over the next few weeks will really determine, for us, how much ministry we\u2019re able to do in 2018. The reason is because we\u2019re listener-supported. The cost of producing and syndicating this daily radio program is covered by folks, like you, who partner with us so that these messages can be heard by more people. What happens in December lets us know whether we can expand or maintain what we\u2019re doing or whether we\u2019ll have to reduce what we do in the months and years ahead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs we\u2019ve talked about today, we don\u2019t think this is a time for pulling back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe think this is a time when this kind of practical biblical help for marriages and families needs to be expanded. The good news is that we\u2019ve got a matching gift that\u2019s available\u2014we\u2019ve been talking about it this month. Our friend, Michelle Hill, is here to give us an update on how things are going with our matching-gift challenge. Michelle\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong>\u2026and Bob, you mentioned expanding our outreaches? well that\u2019s exactly what this matching fund is for. As listeners like Nate and Dorothy call in and make donations, their gifts combine with funds from the match\u2026and this multiplies what we can accomplish\u2026so Bob, I\u2019m grateful to report that as of today, folks have given three hundred fifty six thousand dollars toward the two million dollar match\u2026 which is fantastic! See ya Bob\u2026 \uf04a\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So if you\u2019d like to participate\u2014if you\u2019d like your yearend donation to be multiplied\u2014you can go, online, to donate at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a donation; or you can mail your donation to us at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThank you, Michelle. We\u2019ll see you back tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope we\u2019ll see <em>you<\/em> back tomorrow when John Stonestreet\u2019s going to join us again. We\u2019re going to continue to talk about how we raise counter-cultural children in a culture that continues moving away from biblical thinking. We\u2019ll explore that tomorrow. I hope you can be with us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll see you tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> Ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. 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