{"id":304798,"date":"2017-12-08T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2017-12-08T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/reading-to-children\/"},"modified":"2017-12-08T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2017-12-08T17:00:00","slug":"reading-to-children","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/reading-to-children\/","title":{"rendered":"Reading to Children"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Author Sally Lloyd-Jones tells about her calling as a children&#8217;s author and stresses the importance of reading and connecting with children.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2017-12-08.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:28:31","filesize":"26.12M","filesize_raw":"27386529","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2816,2891,2881],"tags":[6371,6370,6369,4642,6374,6373,6372,5630],"podcast_series":[8253],"cwp_profile":[9324],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-304798","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-christmas","category-making-memories","category-young-children","tag-birth-of-christ","tag-books-for-children","tag-childrens-books","tag-christmas","tag-kids-books","tag-reading-to-your-children","tag-reading-with-your-kids","tag-stories-for-kids","podcast_series-telling-stories-to-children","cwp_profile-sally-lloyd-jones","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/304798\/reading-to-children","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/304798\/reading-to-children","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"nykVEOy7K4\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/reading-to-children\/\">Reading to Children<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/reading-to-children\/embed\/#?secret=nykVEOy7K4\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Reading to Children&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"nykVEOy7K4\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Do you read Bible stories to them? Sally Lloyd-Jones has a caution for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Whenever we read a story and then we say, \u201cWell, what that story\u2019s about\u2026\u201d\u2014whatever we put on the other side of \u201cabout\u201d\u2014that becomes the only thing that story\u2019s about. The minute we do that\u2014it\u2019s terrible \/ it\u2019s the worst thing you could ever say. I\u2019m passionate about that because of what that does\u2014is, basically, you\u2019ve decided what that story is about \/ you\u2019ve decided what God might want to say to that child\u2014but what if God wants to say something completely different?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, December 8<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I'm Bob Lepine. There is great power in telling good stories. We\u2019ll hear from a great story-teller today, Sally Lloyd-Jones. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Friday edition. We\u2019re having a delightful time this week with a delightful friend. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBefore we introduce her again, we\u2019re in the final weeks of the year. This is a pretty important, pretty strategic time for us as a ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It is! I\u2019ll tell you something that delights me\u2014I love hearing from listeners. I heard, recently, from a single mom who said our broadcast gives her hope every day to keep on keeping on. Here\u2019s one from somebody who struggled through the heartbreak of a divorce and a broken family\u2014she said: \u201cIt helped me grow in Christ immensely.\u201d And then one other: \u201cOur marriage was falling apart. I started listening, daily, to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. The information I received gave me the strength to <em>fight<\/em> for my marriage.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have a lot of folks, Bob, who are finding help and hope for their marriage and family. But in order for us to do that, we need listeners to step up and say: \u201cI want to stand with you guys as you guys proclaim the biblical blueprints for a marriage and a family. You\u2019re ministering to marriages and families and leaving legacies, all across the nation and all around the globe.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWould you stand with us right now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s easy to make a yearend contribution. You can do it, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to donate at 1-800-FL-TODAY. There\u2019s a matching-gift opportunity that\u2019s in effect so, when you give your donation, it\u2019s going to be doubled\u2014the impact of your giving will be doubled. You\u2019ll help us reach more people in 2018 and that\u2019s our goal\u2014is to reach more people with practical biblical help and hope. Again, you can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, back to our conversation with our guest, Sally Lloyd-Jones. We\u2019ve been talking about holidays; we\u2019ve been talking about family, and fun, and about food. In fact, you don\u2019t think there can be good Christmas food in Great Britain. When you were over there, you thought all the food was horrible; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cI was trying to find out a way to get across the English Channel to get to France.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Have you watched <em>The Great British Bake Off<\/em>? Have you watched that show?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I have not, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Have you watched it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; everyone\u2019s obsessed!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I know, it\u2019s amazing; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Bob, I\u2019m concerned about you\u2014you\u2019re watching <em>The British Bake Off<\/em>!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> <em>The Great British Bake Off<\/em> is a great reality show. Barbara, you would love <em>The Great British Bake Off<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I would? Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, make Dennis watch it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No; she wouldn\u2019t; she does not like to cook! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I enjoy watching other people cook.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s <em>exactly<\/em> the point.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> That\u2019s perfectly fine with me!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I do want to welcome Sally Lloyd-Jones back to the broadcast. Welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Thank you so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We\u2019re thrilled to have you. She was born and raised in Africa, schooled in England, lives in New York City, but will celebrate Christmas back in England\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014eating figgy pudding\u2014we found out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014eating figgy pudding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She is a <em>great<\/em> author. She\u2019s written a number of best-selling books, including <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>, <em>Song of the Stars<\/em>, and one we are going to talk about today called, <em>Found<\/em>, which is the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm. And then a book about a child\u2019s identity, and his voice in this world their living in. How many books have you written?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Over 25. I had to count them up the other day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes? That\u2019s amazing!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYour whole journey started out writing books for children when you were a little girl and you read a book that opened your mind and your heart to a whole new world with books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes! When I was about seven, I thought books were to learn, to be serious, [and] to do at school. I wasn\u2019t a child that really thrived at school\u2014I was a bit dreamy. I was given this book called <em>The Complete Nonsense<\/em> by Edward Lear. In England, a lot of people know that book; but they may not in America\u2014he\u2019s not quite so well-known here. But I\u2019d advise <em>everyone<\/em> to get that book! I\u2019m not getting anything\u2014it sounds like I\u2019m getting referrals\u2014but I\u2019m not! I\u2019m just passionate about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reason I am is that it changed everything. I got this book, and it was the first book I had ever read all the way through\u2014I was seven. I opened up the book and there were these insane, in a good way, crazy limericks about people with long noses and great, long beards and birds that nested in the beards and then he did all the drawings in pen himself. They were completely like just zany! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was a revelation. I had no idea you could have so much fun inside a book. It changed everything. From then on, I wrote limericks and illustrations and then inflicted them on my poor friends and family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reason I tell that story is that they often say that whatever you were doing when you were maybe six\u2014five or six or seven\u2014before you became self-conscious, and you became what you thought everyone wanted you to be\u2014whatever you loved doing at that point, often clues you in to what should be in your life, whether it\u2019s your job or a hobby. For me, it\u2019s been proven so true. I was loving this book that was so much fun and having fun inside books; and now, all these years later\u2014it took a long time and a long journey \/ and very twisty\u2014but here I am, all these years later, basically having fun inside books, and hoping that I can get children to\u00a0 have fun inside books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Inviting them to the party!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes! Exactly, and realizing laughter\u2014that\u2019s such a gift that God\u2019s given us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You had an experience where you were telling a Bible story to a group of children, and it changed your thinking about how to tell stories to them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; yes. I like to tell this story on myself, because I don\u2019t ever want anyone to think I think of myself as an expert. I\u2019m learning every time I read to children. This particular time, I was invited to a Sunday school; and I was reading from <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>\u2014it was probably about like six years ago. I\u2019m very good at getting children out of control\u2014I think that\u2019s part of my job, getting them laughing\u2014but I\u2019m not so good at getting them under control. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Sunday school teacher had wandered away; so I read this whole story, <em>Daniel<\/em> <em>and the Scary Sleepover<\/em>. The story was all about Daniel and how he was obedient, even though he might be punished and killed; and that, one day, God was going to send another hero, who would again be willing to do whatever God told Him, no matter what it cost Him\u2014that\u2019s how the story ends.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhile I\u2019m reading this story, there\u2019s this young girl\u2014she\u2019s probably about six\u2014she\u2019s kneeling up. As I\u2019m telling this story, she\u2019s so engaged\u2014she\u2019s almost trying to get into my lap\u2014she\u2019s so engaged. At the end of the story, I panicked; because there was no teacher, I thought, \u201cI have to say something.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I went: \u201cSo, children,\u201d\u2014and I was horrified to hear this come out of my mouth\u2014I said: \u201cSo children, what can we learn about how God wants us to behave?\u201d As I said those words, the little girl\u2014she physically slumped \/ her head bowed, and she slumped. I have never forgotten it, because I think that is a picture of what happens to a child when we make a story into a sermon. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause I said that question at the end of the story, I basically made that story all about <em>her<\/em> instead of pointing to Jesus. The minute we do that, we leave the child in despair; because we don\u2019t need to be told to do it better. If we could do it better, Jesus never needed to have come. The story of Daniel is there\u2014not to tell us what we should be doing\u2014it\u2019s to tell us: \u201cLook, this is what God is going to do. God is going to bring someone, who is not going to be saved at the last minute, who is going to actually die to rescue us; and that\u2019s the most incredible story.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve learned from that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have never forgotten it; because whenever we read a story; and then we say: \u201cWell, what that story\u2019s about\u2026\u201d\u2014whatever we put on the other side of \u201cabout\u201d is basically what we lead the child with\u2014that becomes the only thing the story is about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> To say: \u201cThe moral of the story is\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Is the worst thing you could ever say. I\u2019m passionate about that!\u2014it\u2019s <em>terrible<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But don\u2019t you want kids to get it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You do; but what that does is\u2014basically, you\u2019ve decided what that story is about\/\u00a0 you\u2019ve decided what God might want to say to that child\u2014but what if God wants to say something completely different? It puts too much power in our hands. It would be much better to leave the story, because I believe the story is a seed\u2014it grows when it\u2019s left alone. It may take years for us to see the fruit of it. We may not see it growing; but that\u2019s what a seed does\u2014it grows in the dark. It\u2019s almost, I think, none of our business. If we read a good story to a child, it\u2019s between the child and the Holy Spirit what happens with that seed. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s not that we shouldn\u2019t ask questions; it\u2019s just that I think we need to be careful not to reduce the story down into a moral lesson, because there\u2019s a place for moral lessons. But stories are so much more powerful, because they can transform your heart. A lesson doesn\u2019t usually\u2014like a moral lesson often leaves you feeling like the little girl\u2014she felt in despair; because it was suddenly like: \u201cGod isn\u2019t pleased with you, because you\u2019re not as brave as Daniel,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what I used to think, as a child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPeople often say: \u201cWell, if you can\u2019t ask, \u2018What is the moral of the lesson?\u2019 what can you ask?\u201d\u2014because, sometimes, you need a question. I always say, \u201cWhat about if you, with the child\u201d\u2014like it\u2019s you are on the same level with the child, as if you\u2019re kneeling together before our Heavenly Father; because we are all children before Him\u2014\u201cWhat if you read the story together?\u201d\u2014coming together, not as you as the teacher, but as you and the child as children of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou listen to the story and then you go: \u201cWow!\u201d and you wonder, aloud, and you say something like\u2014say, with the story of the feeding of the 5,000\u2014instead of saying, \u201cWell, children, what can we learn about sharing our lunch?\u201d\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014you say, \u201cThe boy gave Jesus everything he had. I wonder what would happen if we gave Jesus everything we have?\u201d and you leave it open. Suddenly, that becomes completely open; and the child\u2019s imagination can soar with that. That\u2019s a question I think that\u2019s a good thing to ask; but it\u2019s not trying to <em>teach<\/em> a lesson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Part of what you do in that question is\u2014you put the focus on what God can do\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014rather than what we\u2019re supposed to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Amen, because then there\u2019s hope. We need to give children hope; don\u2019t we? They obviously need guidance, and there\u2019s a place for teaching and rules. I just think the story time is sacrosanct. We should come together, before our Heavenly Father, and wonder together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So when you approach writing a story like, <em>Baby Wren and the Great Gift<\/em>, which is not overtly a Christian story \/ no Bible verses in it\u2014do you approach that differently than when you are writing something for <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> The helpful thing about <em>The<\/em> <em>Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em> is the plot\u2018s already worked out. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The story\u2019s already there; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> So with <em>Baby Wren<\/em>, I try and \u201cbe someone on whom nothing is lost.\u201d I think Henry James said that\u2014I may have got that wrong\u2014\u201cbe someone on whom nothing is lost.\u201d I\u2019m always open; and that book\u2014what I have learned with books is\u2014an idea will come from anywhere; but when it comes and it hits me in a poignant way, or it makes me laugh, or does something with my heart, I\u2019ve learned to listen; because I realize, \u201cOkay; I think that\u2019s God working to show me there\u2019s something here that I need to follow.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t always know what the story is\u2014but with <em>Baby Wren and the Great Gift<\/em>, the thing that struck me was\u2014I was in Texas at Laity Lodge. There was this little wren called a canyon wren. Literally, one time, I was just hearing this <em>huge<\/em> song; and I said, \u201cWhat on earth is that?\u201d And they said: \u201cOh, that\u2019s the canyon wren. You never see it\u2014it\u2019s too tiny to notice\u2014and yet, look at its great song.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat idea started playing in my head. I started thinking: \u201cThat\u2019s like a child. A child is only small, and they have so many insecurities; and where do they belong in the big world?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s where the book came from. That wasn\u2019t really me setting out with a message\u2014it was me responding to a clue I was given and then following clues. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s how I think the books come. I trust the Lord with that; because, if the joy and redemption are at the center of my life, they are going to be in my books\u2014I won\u2019t be able to help it. In a way, that frees me to trust the Lord\u2014that my passion is to bless children with the truth and with hope. That can come in the form of pre-evangelistic\u2014it can be like Emily Dickinson said, \u201cTell all of the truth, but tell it slant.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe thing about the story is\u2014you\u2019re not coming at it, head on, like you are with <em>The<\/em> <em>Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>\u2014but even there, it\u2019s a story. Every time you tell a story, what happens is\u2014it captures your heart. It doesn\u2019t come at you with rules and lessons; it comes around the side and it captures your heart. I just basically trust that, \u201cIf something moves me, that\u2019s something I need to listen to.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think you\u2019re exhorting us, as adults, as we tell stories to kids, \u201cLet\u2019s leave room for imagination.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s really well-put.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Comment, if you would, on your children\u2019s book called <em>Found<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You said that\u2019s an edible book; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes! It\u2019s <em>The<\/em> <em>Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>\u2014the edible version. [Laughter] Basically, it\u2019s a padded board book. The board book is one of those books that toddlers cannot rip. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> They can chew on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>They can chew on and not destroy\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh! Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014because, when you are a baby, you don\u2019t read them; you eat them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You are going all the way through the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm and just unpacking it, verse by verse. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s the same version as in <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. We re-illustrated it\u2014we have given it like 12 spreads, I think. If you put, individually, one line on a page and then you illustrate it, you give space to the whole psalm. Jago has done the most incredible job of\u2014what we talk about in picture books, you have to have heart\u2014you have to have it in the text, and you have to have it in the art. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s an indefinable thing; but you know when you haven\u2019t got it, and you know when you get it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, you\u2019ve got it; because here\u2019s the\u2014I guess, almost halfway through the book\u2014\u201c\u2026even when I walk through the dark, scary, lonely places\u2026\u201d\u2014there\u2019s a lonely lamb in a valley with a rainstorm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> That\u2019s my favorite spread.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It is mine too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Because that little lamb\u2014it\u2019s just so representative of, not just children, but all of us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> He looks so alone, and I think that just captures what we all feel that the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm speaks to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You know what\u2019s interesting? It\u2019s children\u2019s favorite spread, as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh, is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> They will always go there no matter how tiny they are. I think that\u2019s fascinating; because, again, we try and\u2014it\u2019s appropriate to protect children\u2014but we have to be sure that we are equipping them as well. Little ones <em>know<\/em> that not everything is right out there. Whether or not we\u2019re telling them, they <em>know<\/em>\u2014so the more that you give them a safe place\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that\u2019s why I think they love that spread, because they\u2019re looking at something scary, which they know exists; but they are doing it with you, they\u2019re doing it with the lamb, and together you\u2019re going to get through this story. It\u2019s very important that we let them look at the dark, not just the light, obviously, in an age-appropriate way; but I think that\u2019s why it\u2019s powerful to them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; and then the next page, of course, it says, \u201cI won\u2019t be afraid, because my Shepherd knows where I am.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> And he\u2019s panned out; hasn\u2019t he?\u00a0 He\u2019s panned out, and you see that he wasn\u2019t alone\u2014the shepherd was running. The look on the shepherd\u2019s face\u2014again, heart\u2014it\u2019s just so\u2014it\u2019s poignant to me. When I saw the illustrations, I was just blown away.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Sally, I want to ask you for a book that you\u2019ve never written \/ a book that has never been illustrated, but it\u2019s a story that is a book in your mind that you love to tell children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Are you looking for a scoop here? You trying to get\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, gosh! [Laughter] Yes; I know he\u2019s trying! He\u2019s got a notebook\u2014I can see it!\u2014and a recorder. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve already got the publisher lined up, fellas! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNo; I just have to believe that you\u2019ve got a few tucked away that you\u2019ve never put on parchment\u2014it\u2019s just a favorite of yours. I\u2019d be interested if you wouldn\u2019t mind telling it to our audience here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh my; I\u2019ve gone completely blank. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Have you?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; performance anxiety, you see. [Laughter] I need to skip to the loo. Maybe I\u2019ll think about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay! We can come back at the end of the broadcast, and you can tell a story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; okay; okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Barbara, as you look at books and their illustrations, you recognize the power that comes. I mean, Sally\u2019s prose is beautiful prose; but let\u2019s be honest\u2014the book, <em>Found<\/em>, is what?\u2014maybe 40 words?\u2014maybe 50 words?\u2014and well-chosen words. The illustrations are what give the words a context and a texture that bring it alive.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I always looked for books for my kids that had beautiful illustrations. To me, that was as important as the story\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, dear; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014because I <em>loved<\/em> the illustrations as much as my kids did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt allowed the story to come alive at a level that the words couldn\u2019t do on their own\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014because the illustrations support it \/ they give it life. They make it three-dimensional. As you said, with that center spread of the rainstorm, it takes you to that place that the words alone can\u2019t do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I just think illustrations are powerful in books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes! I love hearing that. I feel the same way. I also think design\u2014you know, like the cover\u2014so much goes into a picture book. What you said is so true; because a picture book is a story told in two languages, word and image. The best picture books are when, as a publisher of mine said: \u201cOne plus one equals more than two. Neither of them would work without each other.\u201d Also, what you want is that it should look as if the person, who illustrated it, wrote it; and the person who wrote it, illustrated it\u2014they should have the same voice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> They both have a message too. The words alone don\u2019t say what the pictures alone say. They work together so that the whole thing is a much greater package, as you were explaining. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd it\u2019s a gift. When you get a book like that, you feel like it\u2019s a treasure. Your anticipation is greater when you get a\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s true, because it\u2019s beautiful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014beautiful book than [when] you just get a book. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Another thing I\u2019m passionate about is\u2014beauty honors God\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Absolutely!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014when we do something beautiful. I also think it reaches everyone\u2014beauty calls to everyone. Our job is to be as excellent as we can be; because beauty honors Him, and it also\u2014it just takes away the obstacles. Like I was describing with the design: \u201cIf it\u2019s really well-designed, there\u2019s no obstacle to the story.\u201d I think my job is always to get out of the way and let the story through. If you are a good designer, get out of the way and let the story through; and if you\u2019re an illustrator... \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>At what age do kids move beyond you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Never! I collect picture books, and I never grow out of them. They\u2019re an art form that\u2014well, C.S. Lewis said it; didn\u2019t he?\u2014when he dedicated\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> He did! I was just thinking about his\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes! You probably remember it better, but I can\u2019t remember exactly the words.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I don\u2019t remember exactly how he said it either. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> He dedicated it to his\u2014to Lucy\u2014he said, \u201cYou\u2019re too old for fairy tales, but you\u2019ll grow up and become young enough,\u201d\u2014or something like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> He also said something about \u201cA book that\u2019s good for children is good for adults,\u201d\u2014if it\u2019s good enough for them, then it should speak to all ages.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Like \u201cThere is no book that\u2019s only for children,\u201d\u2014is what he said\u2014\u201conly good for children; because, if it\u2019s not good enough for children, it\u2019s not\u201d\u2014something\u2014we\u2019re really massacring this quote; aren\u2019t we?! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I know! That is the idea\u2014I\u2019ve always loved that quote.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Have you ever had a desire to write young adult fiction?\u2014or to write a novel? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, sometimes, I think about that; but then I think I\u2019m already reaching adults in the best way, by reaching children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I just love the idea that they\u2014you know, like <em>Found<\/em>, or <em>Baby Wren<\/em>, or <em>Song of the Stars<\/em>\u2014they\u2019re books designed to read together; and the sound of the language\u2014C.S. Lewis, again, said, \u201cYou should write for the ear as well as the eye.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And most of the books on my bookshelf have been read once, if they\u2019ve been read at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Isn\u2019t that the truth? There, again\u2014you see?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But children\u2019s books? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Children\u2019s books\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014over and over.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014books get read. I mean, we could almost recite <em>Goodnight, Moon<\/em>; can\u2019t we?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh; I mean, it\u2019s a genius book; and it\u2019s so deceptively simple; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It is! So, I\u2019ve stalled here for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, dear; you did, and I still haven\u2019t got that story. Well, I think the thing is\u2014my stories\u2014I may have them; but they are sort of, again, a bit like seeds. I never quite know what they are\u2014I have to keep following them. I have lots in process but not\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014if I\u2019ve got one ready to tell, I usually do it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> So you have lots of ideas, but they haven\u2019t been developed yet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; like picture books\u2014I can have an idea that can sort of\u2014I was going to say \u201cvegetate\u201d\u2014that\u2019s not the right word; is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014germinate. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014germinate \/ vegetate doesn\u2019t sound nice\u2014germinate\u2014thank you!\u2014for several years. I find that\u2019s the best way; because, again, following clues\u2014I follow clues. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes\u2014I\u2019m working on a middle-grade novel; but I\u2014you know, sometimes, you don\u2019t actually want to talk about the book until it\u2019s done; because, if you talk about it, you\u2019ve kind of told the story and you take away the energy you need to finish it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, that\u2019s a good excuse; isn\u2019t it? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It really is! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You can\u2019t say anything now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> It works; it works!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I just hope you\u2018ll come back, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I\u2019d love to come back; it\u2019s always so fun!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, you just need to know\u2014Bob is a \u201cfoodie.\u201d So, next time you come back, bring bread crumbs and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally<\/strong> <strong>and<\/strong> <strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014figgy pudding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014figgy pudding!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I might send you a figgy pudding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m waiting for it; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> No; he looks like it\u2019s a threat! [Laughter] I might send it to you, and you might have to eat it on air!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I will\u2014I will eat your figgy pudding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> If you send it, we will have to taste it for sure, after all of that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Then, I\u2019ll let you know whether to send me anymore after that. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s right! I will\u2014if I eat it, and I like it\u2014I will repent of all my\u2014not all\u2014but some of my comments about English food. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think you\u2019re just really jealous of England really; aren\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, I do love England! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> We really do love England.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I do! We had a delightful time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You\u2019re right. English food\u2014you don\u2019t really see English food restaurants. Although, you do in New York\u2014fish \u2018n chips \/ Toad in the Hole! Now, I\u2019m really confusing you! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No; no. I know\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>By the way, we have none of that in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center; but we do have some of Sally\u2019s books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Toad in the hole? We\u2019ve got some of that; don\u2019t we?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s not in the <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can go, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com to find out more about the books that Sally has written for children: the Christmas story\u2014<em>Song of the Stars<\/em>; the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm book called <em>Found<\/em>; and of course, <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. We\u2019ve got all of those available, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to order at 1-800- FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve also got the resources Barbara Rainey has worked on for the holiday season for families, including her new set of Christmas tree ornaments that reflect the Eternal Names of Jesus. Find out more about those when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Or call if you have any questions: 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, as Dennis mentioned earlier, this is a significant time of year for this ministry. We\u2019re hoping to hear from listeners to take advantage of a matching-gift opportunity that has been made available to us. Our friend, Michelle Hill, who is the host of <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>, is keeping us up to date this month on all that\u2019s going on with the matching gift. Hi, Michelle!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:21<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Hi Bob \uf04a yeah, what\u2019s happened is pretty simple\u2026and very generous. Some friends of FamilyLife offered to match every donation in December, so yesterday\u2026when Leona from Pennsylvania called in? Our friends <em>matched<\/em> Leona\u2019s gift, dollar for dollar! Simple! Your gifts are being matched all December, up to a total of two million dollars, and Bob? As of today, <em>our listeners <\/em>have given just over three hundred six thousand dollars\u2026which is REALLY encouraging!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It is indeed! You can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. Or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend, and I hope you can join us back on Monday. John Stonestreet will be here to talk about how we can raise children in a culture that does not always support what we believe. Hope you can be with us as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. 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Do you read Bible stories to them? Sally Lloyd-Jones has a caution for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Whenever we read a story and then we say, \u201cWell, what that story\u2019s about\u2026\u201d\u2014whatever we put on the other side of \u201cabout\u201d\u2014that becomes the only thing that story\u2019s about. The minute we do that\u2014it\u2019s terrible \/ it\u2019s the worst thing you could ever say. I\u2019m passionate about that because of what that does\u2014is, basically, you\u2019ve decided what that story is about \/ you\u2019ve decided what God might want to say to that child\u2014but what if God wants to say something completely different?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, December 8<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey; I'm Bob Lepine. There is great power in telling good stories. We\u2019ll hear from a great story-teller today, Sally Lloyd-Jones. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Friday edition. We\u2019re having a delightful time this week with a delightful friend. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBefore we introduce her again, we\u2019re in the final weeks of the year. This is a pretty important, pretty strategic time for us as a ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It is! I\u2019ll tell you something that delights me\u2014I love hearing from listeners. I heard, recently, from a single mom who said our broadcast gives her hope every day to keep on keeping on. Here\u2019s one from somebody who struggled through the heartbreak of a divorce and a broken family\u2014she said: \u201cIt helped me grow in Christ immensely.\u201d And then one other: \u201cOur marriage was falling apart. I started listening, daily, to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. The information I received gave me the strength to <em>fight<\/em> for my marriage.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have a lot of folks, Bob, who are finding help and hope for their marriage and family. But in order for us to do that, we need listeners to step up and say: \u201cI want to stand with you guys as you guys proclaim the biblical blueprints for a marriage and a family. You\u2019re ministering to marriages and families and leaving legacies, all across the nation and all around the globe.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWould you stand with us right now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s easy to make a yearend contribution. You can do it, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to donate at 1-800-FL-TODAY. There\u2019s a matching-gift opportunity that\u2019s in effect so, when you give your donation, it\u2019s going to be doubled\u2014the impact of your giving will be doubled. You\u2019ll help us reach more people in 2018 and that\u2019s our goal\u2014is to reach more people with practical biblical help and hope. Again, you can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, back to our conversation with our guest, Sally Lloyd-Jones. We\u2019ve been talking about holidays; we\u2019ve been talking about family, and fun, and about food. In fact, you don\u2019t think there can be good Christmas food in Great Britain. When you were over there, you thought all the food was horrible; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cI was trying to find out a way to get across the English Channel to get to France.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Have you watched <em>The Great British Bake Off<\/em>? Have you watched that show?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I have not, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Have you watched it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; everyone\u2019s obsessed!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I know, it\u2019s amazing; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Bob, I\u2019m concerned about you\u2014you\u2019re watching <em>The British Bake Off<\/em>!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> <em>The Great British Bake Off<\/em> is a great reality show. Barbara, you would love <em>The Great British Bake Off<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I would? 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She was born and raised in Africa, schooled in England, lives in New York City, but will celebrate Christmas back in England\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014eating figgy pudding\u2014we found out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014eating figgy pudding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She is a <em>great<\/em> author. She\u2019s written a number of best-selling books, including <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>, <em>Song of the Stars<\/em>, and one we are going to talk about today called, <em>Found<\/em>, which is the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm. And then a book about a child\u2019s identity, and his voice in this world their living in. How many books have you written?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Over 25. I had to count them up the other day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes? That\u2019s amazing!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYour whole journey started out writing books for children when you were a little girl and you read a book that opened your mind and your heart to a whole new world with books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes! When I was about seven, I thought books were to learn, to be serious, [and] to do at school. I wasn\u2019t a child that really thrived at school\u2014I was a bit dreamy. I was given this book called <em>The Complete Nonsense<\/em> by Edward Lear. In England, a lot of people know that book; but they may not in America\u2014he\u2019s not quite so well-known here. But I\u2019d advise <em>everyone<\/em> to get that book! I\u2019m not getting anything\u2014it sounds like I\u2019m getting referrals\u2014but I\u2019m not! I\u2019m just passionate about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reason I am is that it changed everything. I got this book, and it was the first book I had ever read all the way through\u2014I was seven. I opened up the book and there were these insane, in a good way, crazy limericks about people with long noses and great, long beards and birds that nested in the beards and then he did all the drawings in pen himself. They were completely like just zany! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was a revelation. I had no idea you could have so much fun inside a book. It changed everything. From then on, I wrote limericks and illustrations and then inflicted them on my poor friends and family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reason I tell that story is that they often say that whatever you were doing when you were maybe six\u2014five or six or seven\u2014before you became self-conscious, and you became what you thought everyone wanted you to be\u2014whatever you loved doing at that point, often clues you in to what should be in your life, whether it\u2019s your job or a hobby. For me, it\u2019s been proven so true. I was loving this book that was so much fun and having fun inside books; and now, all these years later\u2014it took a long time and a long journey \/ and very twisty\u2014but here I am, all these years later, basically having fun inside books, and hoping that I can get children to\u00a0 have fun inside books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Inviting them to the party!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes! Exactly, and realizing laughter\u2014that\u2019s such a gift that God\u2019s given us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You had an experience where you were telling a Bible story to a group of children, and it changed your thinking about how to tell stories to them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; yes. I like to tell this story on myself, because I don\u2019t ever want anyone to think I think of myself as an expert. 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As I\u2019m telling this story, she\u2019s so engaged\u2014she\u2019s almost trying to get into my lap\u2014she\u2019s so engaged. At the end of the story, I panicked; because there was no teacher, I thought, \u201cI have to say something.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I went: \u201cSo, children,\u201d\u2014and I was horrified to hear this come out of my mouth\u2014I said: \u201cSo children, what can we learn about how God wants us to behave?\u201d As I said those words, the little girl\u2014she physically slumped \/ her head bowed, and she slumped. I have never forgotten it, because I think that is a picture of what happens to a child when we make a story into a sermon. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause I said that question at the end of the story, I basically made that story all about <em>her<\/em> instead of pointing to Jesus. The minute we do that, we leave the child in despair; because we don\u2019t need to be told to do it better. If we could do it better, Jesus never needed to have come. The story of Daniel is there\u2014not to tell us what we should be doing\u2014it\u2019s to tell us: \u201cLook, this is what God is going to do. God is going to bring someone, who is not going to be saved at the last minute, who is going to actually die to rescue us; and that\u2019s the most incredible story.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve learned from that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have never forgotten it; because whenever we read a story; and then we say: \u201cWell, what that story\u2019s about\u2026\u201d\u2014whatever we put on the other side of \u201cabout\u201d is basically what we lead the child with\u2014that becomes the only thing the story is about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> To say: \u201cThe moral of the story is\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Is the worst thing you could ever say. I\u2019m passionate about that!\u2014it\u2019s <em>terrible<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But don\u2019t you want kids to get it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You do; but what that does is\u2014basically, you\u2019ve decided what that story is about\/\u00a0 you\u2019ve decided what God might want to say to that child\u2014but what if God wants to say something completely different? It puts too much power in our hands. It would be much better to leave the story, because I believe the story is a seed\u2014it grows when it\u2019s left alone. It may take years for us to see the fruit of it. We may not see it growing; but that\u2019s what a seed does\u2014it grows in the dark. It\u2019s almost, I think, none of our business. If we read a good story to a child, it\u2019s between the child and the Holy Spirit what happens with that seed. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s not that we shouldn\u2019t ask questions; it\u2019s just that I think we need to be careful not to reduce the story down into a moral lesson, because there\u2019s a place for moral lessons. But stories are so much more powerful, because they can transform your heart. A lesson doesn\u2019t usually\u2014like a moral lesson often leaves you feeling like the little girl\u2014she felt in despair; because it was suddenly like: \u201cGod isn\u2019t pleased with you, because you\u2019re not as brave as Daniel,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what I used to think, as a child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPeople often say: \u201cWell, if you can\u2019t ask, \u2018What is the moral of the lesson?\u2019 what can you ask?\u201d\u2014because, sometimes, you need a question. I always say, \u201cWhat about if you, with the child\u201d\u2014like it\u2019s you are on the same level with the child, as if you\u2019re kneeling together before our Heavenly Father; because we are all children before Him\u2014\u201cWhat if you read the story together?\u201d\u2014coming together, not as you as the teacher, but as you and the child as children of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou listen to the story and then you go: \u201cWow!\u201d and you wonder, aloud, and you say something like\u2014say, with the story of the feeding of the 5,000\u2014instead of saying, \u201cWell, children, what can we learn about sharing our lunch?\u201d\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014you say, \u201cThe boy gave Jesus everything he had. I wonder what would happen if we gave Jesus everything we have?\u201d and you leave it open. Suddenly, that becomes completely open; and the child\u2019s imagination can soar with that. That\u2019s a question I think that\u2019s a good thing to ask; but it\u2019s not trying to <em>teach<\/em> a lesson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Part of what you do in that question is\u2014you put the focus on what God can do\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014rather than what we\u2019re supposed to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Amen, because then there\u2019s hope. We need to give children hope; don\u2019t we? They obviously need guidance, and there\u2019s a place for teaching and rules. I just think the story time is sacrosanct. We should come together, before our Heavenly Father, and wonder together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So when you approach writing a story like, <em>Baby Wren and the Great Gift<\/em>, which is not overtly a Christian story \/ no Bible verses in it\u2014do you approach that differently than when you are writing something for <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> The helpful thing about <em>The<\/em> <em>Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em> is the plot\u2018s already worked out. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The story\u2019s already there; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> So with <em>Baby Wren<\/em>, I try and \u201cbe someone on whom nothing is lost.\u201d I think Henry James said that\u2014I may have got that wrong\u2014\u201cbe someone on whom nothing is lost.\u201d I\u2019m always open; and that book\u2014what I have learned with books is\u2014an idea will come from anywhere; but when it comes and it hits me in a poignant way, or it makes me laugh, or does something with my heart, I\u2019ve learned to listen; because I realize, \u201cOkay; I think that\u2019s God working to show me there\u2019s something here that I need to follow.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t always know what the story is\u2014but with <em>Baby Wren and the Great Gift<\/em>, the thing that struck me was\u2014I was in Texas at Laity Lodge. There was this little wren called a canyon wren. Literally, one time, I was just hearing this <em>huge<\/em> song; and I said, \u201cWhat on earth is that?\u201d And they said: \u201cOh, that\u2019s the canyon wren. You never see it\u2014it\u2019s too tiny to notice\u2014and yet, look at its great song.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat idea started playing in my head. I started thinking: \u201cThat\u2019s like a child. A child is only small, and they have so many insecurities; and where do they belong in the big world?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s where the book came from. That wasn\u2019t really me setting out with a message\u2014it was me responding to a clue I was given and then following clues. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s how I think the books come. I trust the Lord with that; because, if the joy and redemption are at the center of my life, they are going to be in my books\u2014I won\u2019t be able to help it. In a way, that frees me to trust the Lord\u2014that my passion is to bless children with the truth and with hope. That can come in the form of pre-evangelistic\u2014it can be like Emily Dickinson said, \u201cTell all of the truth, but tell it slant.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe thing about the story is\u2014you\u2019re not coming at it, head on, like you are with <em>The<\/em> <em>Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>\u2014but even there, it\u2019s a story. Every time you tell a story, what happens is\u2014it captures your heart. It doesn\u2019t come at you with rules and lessons; it comes around the side and it captures your heart. I just basically trust that, \u201cIf something moves me, that\u2019s something I need to listen to.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think you\u2019re exhorting us, as adults, as we tell stories to kids, \u201cLet\u2019s leave room for imagination.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s really well-put.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Comment, if you would, on your children\u2019s book called <em>Found<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You said that\u2019s an edible book; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes! It\u2019s <em>The<\/em> <em>Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>\u2014the edible version. [Laughter] Basically, it\u2019s a padded board book. The board book is one of those books that toddlers cannot rip. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> They can chew on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>They can chew on and not destroy\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh! Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014because, when you are a baby, you don\u2019t read them; you eat them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You are going all the way through the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm and just unpacking it, verse by verse. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s the same version as in <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. We re-illustrated it\u2014we have given it like 12 spreads, I think. If you put, individually, one line on a page and then you illustrate it, you give space to the whole psalm. Jago has done the most incredible job of\u2014what we talk about in picture books, you have to have heart\u2014you have to have it in the text, and you have to have it in the art. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s an indefinable thing; but you know when you haven\u2019t got it, and you know when you get it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, you\u2019ve got it; because here\u2019s the\u2014I guess, almost halfway through the book\u2014\u201c\u2026even when I walk through the dark, scary, lonely places\u2026\u201d\u2014there\u2019s a lonely lamb in a valley with a rainstorm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> That\u2019s my favorite spread.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It is mine too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Because that little lamb\u2014it\u2019s just so representative of, not just children, but all of us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> He looks so alone, and I think that just captures what we all feel that the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm speaks to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You know what\u2019s interesting? It\u2019s children\u2019s favorite spread, as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh, is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> They will always go there no matter how tiny they are. I think that\u2019s fascinating; because, again, we try and\u2014it\u2019s appropriate to protect children\u2014but we have to be sure that we are equipping them as well. Little ones <em>know<\/em> that not everything is right out there. Whether or not we\u2019re telling them, they <em>know<\/em>\u2014so the more that you give them a safe place\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that\u2019s why I think they love that spread, because they\u2019re looking at something scary, which they know exists; but they are doing it with you, they\u2019re doing it with the lamb, and together you\u2019re going to get through this story. It\u2019s very important that we let them look at the dark, not just the light, obviously, in an age-appropriate way; but I think that\u2019s why it\u2019s powerful to them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; and then the next page, of course, it says, \u201cI won\u2019t be afraid, because my Shepherd knows where I am.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> And he\u2019s panned out; hasn\u2019t he?\u00a0 He\u2019s panned out, and you see that he wasn\u2019t alone\u2014the shepherd was running. The look on the shepherd\u2019s face\u2014again, heart\u2014it\u2019s just so\u2014it\u2019s poignant to me. When I saw the illustrations, I was just blown away.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Sally, I want to ask you for a book that you\u2019ve never written \/ a book that has never been illustrated, but it\u2019s a story that is a book in your mind that you love to tell children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Are you looking for a scoop here? You trying to get\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; I mean, gosh! [Laughter] Yes; I know he\u2019s trying! He\u2019s got a notebook\u2014I can see it!\u2014and a recorder. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve already got the publisher lined up, fellas! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNo; I just have to believe that you\u2019ve got a few tucked away that you\u2019ve never put on parchment\u2014it\u2019s just a favorite of yours. I\u2019d be interested if you wouldn\u2019t mind telling it to our audience here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh my; I\u2019ve gone completely blank. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Have you?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; performance anxiety, you see. [Laughter] I need to skip to the loo. Maybe I\u2019ll think about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay! We can come back at the end of the broadcast, and you can tell a story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; okay; okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Barbara, as you look at books and their illustrations, you recognize the power that comes. I mean, Sally\u2019s prose is beautiful prose; but let\u2019s be honest\u2014the book, <em>Found<\/em>, is what?\u2014maybe 40 words?\u2014maybe 50 words?\u2014and well-chosen words. The illustrations are what give the words a context and a texture that bring it alive.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I always looked for books for my kids that had beautiful illustrations. To me, that was as important as the story\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, dear; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014because I <em>loved<\/em> the illustrations as much as my kids did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt allowed the story to come alive at a level that the words couldn\u2019t do on their own\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014because the illustrations support it \/ they give it life. They make it three-dimensional. As you said, with that center spread of the rainstorm, it takes you to that place that the words alone can\u2019t do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I just think illustrations are powerful in books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes! I love hearing that. I feel the same way. I also think design\u2014you know, like the cover\u2014so much goes into a picture book. What you said is so true; because a picture book is a story told in two languages, word and image. The best picture books are when, as a publisher of mine said: \u201cOne plus one equals more than two. Neither of them would work without each other.\u201d Also, what you want is that it should look as if the person, who illustrated it, wrote it; and the person who wrote it, illustrated it\u2014they should have the same voice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> They both have a message too. The words alone don\u2019t say what the pictures alone say. They work together so that the whole thing is a much greater package, as you were explaining. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd it\u2019s a gift. When you get a book like that, you feel like it\u2019s a treasure. Your anticipation is greater when you get a\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s true, because it\u2019s beautiful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014beautiful book than [when] you just get a book. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Another thing I\u2019m passionate about is\u2014beauty honors God\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Absolutely!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014when we do something beautiful. I also think it reaches everyone\u2014beauty calls to everyone. Our job is to be as excellent as we can be; because beauty honors Him, and it also\u2014it just takes away the obstacles. Like I was describing with the design: \u201cIf it\u2019s really well-designed, there\u2019s no obstacle to the story.\u201d I think my job is always to get out of the way and let the story through. If you are a good designer, get out of the way and let the story through; and if you\u2019re an illustrator... \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>At what age do kids move beyond you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Never! I collect picture books, and I never grow out of them. They\u2019re an art form that\u2014well, C.S. Lewis said it; didn\u2019t he?\u2014when he dedicated\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> He did! I was just thinking about his\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes! You probably remember it better, but I can\u2019t remember exactly the words.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I don\u2019t remember exactly how he said it either. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> He dedicated it to his\u2014to Lucy\u2014he said, \u201cYou\u2019re too old for fairy tales, but you\u2019ll grow up and become young enough,\u201d\u2014or something like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> He also said something about \u201cA book that\u2019s good for children is good for adults,\u201d\u2014if it\u2019s good enough for them, then it should speak to all ages.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Like \u201cThere is no book that\u2019s only for children,\u201d\u2014is what he said\u2014\u201conly good for children; because, if it\u2019s not good enough for children, it\u2019s not\u201d\u2014something\u2014we\u2019re really massacring this quote; aren\u2019t we?! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I know! That is the idea\u2014I\u2019ve always loved that quote.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Have you ever had a desire to write young adult fiction?\u2014or to write a novel? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, sometimes, I think about that; but then I think I\u2019m already reaching adults in the best way, by reaching children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I just love the idea that they\u2014you know, like <em>Found<\/em>, or <em>Baby Wren<\/em>, or <em>Song of the Stars<\/em>\u2014they\u2019re books designed to read together; and the sound of the language\u2014C.S. Lewis, again, said, \u201cYou should write for the ear as well as the eye.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And most of the books on my bookshelf have been read once, if they\u2019ve been read at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Isn\u2019t that the truth? There, again\u2014you see?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But children\u2019s books? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Children\u2019s books\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014over and over.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014books get read. I mean, we could almost recite <em>Goodnight, Moon<\/em>; can\u2019t we?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh; I mean, it\u2019s a genius book; and it\u2019s so deceptively simple; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It is! So, I\u2019ve stalled here for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, dear; you did, and I still haven\u2019t got that story. Well, I think the thing is\u2014my stories\u2014I may have them; but they are sort of, again, a bit like seeds. I never quite know what they are\u2014I have to keep following them. I have lots in process but not\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014if I\u2019ve got one ready to tell, I usually do it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> So you have lots of ideas, but they haven\u2019t been developed yet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; like picture books\u2014I can have an idea that can sort of\u2014I was going to say \u201cvegetate\u201d\u2014that\u2019s not the right word; is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014germinate. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014germinate \/ vegetate doesn\u2019t sound nice\u2014germinate\u2014thank you!\u2014for several years. I find that\u2019s the best way; because, again, following clues\u2014I follow clues. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes\u2014I\u2019m working on a middle-grade novel; but I\u2014you know, sometimes, you don\u2019t actually want to talk about the book until it\u2019s done; because, if you talk about it, you\u2019ve kind of told the story and you take away the energy you need to finish it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, that\u2019s a good excuse; isn\u2019t it? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It really is! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You can\u2019t say anything now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> It works; it works!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I just hope you\u2018ll come back, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I\u2019d love to come back; it\u2019s always so fun!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, you just need to know\u2014Bob is a \u201cfoodie.\u201d So, next time you come back, bring bread crumbs and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally<\/strong> <strong>and<\/strong> <strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014figgy pudding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014figgy pudding!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I might send you a figgy pudding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m waiting for it; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> No; he looks like it\u2019s a threat! [Laughter] I might send it to you, and you might have to eat it on air!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I will\u2014I will eat your figgy pudding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> If you send it, we will have to taste it for sure, after all of that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Then, I\u2019ll let you know whether to send me anymore after that. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s right! I will\u2014if I eat it, and I like it\u2014I will repent of all my\u2014not all\u2014but some of my comments about English food. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think you\u2019re just really jealous of England really; aren\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, I do love England! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> We really do love England.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I do! We had a delightful time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You\u2019re right. English food\u2014you don\u2019t really see English food restaurants. Although, you do in New York\u2014fish \u2018n chips \/ Toad in the Hole! Now, I\u2019m really confusing you! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No; no. I know\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>By the way, we have none of that in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center; but we do have some of Sally\u2019s books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Toad in the hole? We\u2019ve got some of that; don\u2019t we?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s not in the <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can go, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com to find out more about the books that Sally has written for children: the Christmas story\u2014<em>Song of the Stars<\/em>; the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm book called <em>Found<\/em>; and of course, <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. We\u2019ve got all of those available, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to order at 1-800- FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve also got the resources Barbara Rainey has worked on for the holiday season for families, including her new set of Christmas tree ornaments that reflect the Eternal Names of Jesus. Find out more about those when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Or call if you have any questions: 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, as Dennis mentioned earlier, this is a significant time of year for this ministry. We\u2019re hoping to hear from listeners to take advantage of a matching-gift opportunity that has been made available to us. Our friend, Michelle Hill, who is the host of <em>FamilyLife This Week<\/em>, is keeping us up to date this month on all that\u2019s going on with the matching gift. Hi, Michelle!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:21<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Hi Bob \uf04a yeah, what\u2019s happened is pretty simple\u2026and very generous. Some friends of FamilyLife offered to match every donation in December, so yesterday\u2026when Leona from Pennsylvania called in? Our friends <em>matched<\/em> Leona\u2019s gift, dollar for dollar! Simple! Your gifts are being matched all December, up to a total of two million dollars, and Bob? As of today, <em>our listeners <\/em>have given just over three hundred six thousand dollars\u2026which is REALLY encouraging!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It is indeed! You can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. Or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together in your local church this weekend, and I hope you can join us back on Monday. John Stonestreet will be here to talk about how we can raise children in a culture that does not always support what we believe. Hope you can be with us as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. 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