{"id":304796,"date":"2017-12-07T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2017-12-07T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/god-breaking-into-history\/"},"modified":"2017-12-07T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2017-12-07T17:00:00","slug":"god-breaking-into-history","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/god-breaking-into-history\/","title":{"rendered":"God Breaking Into History"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sally Lloyd-Jones gets us in the spirit of the holidays by recalling the Christmases of her youth in Africa and England. 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Here\u2019s some thoughts from author, Sally Lloyd-Jones. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You know, I became a Christian when I was four. I am sure, the first four years of my life, we were\u2014it was more Santa Claus. Father Christmas was the big person looming in your life when you\u2019re little. I suppose the excitement of: \u201cHe\u2019s coming!\u201d and everything like that\u2014that\u2019s not so dissimilar to what you\u2014actually, is the truth of Christmas. It\u2019s exciting; because your rescuer is coming, which is much more exciting than \u201cSanta\u2019s coming with presents.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, December 7<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. Sally Lloyd-Jones joins us today to talk about how we keep Jesus at the center of the Christmas season. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>How\u2019s your English accent, Bob? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Terrible. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You have a great impersonation of Jerry Falwell. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; but\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Can I hear your Sally Lloyd-Jones? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m not that clever! [Laughter] No; mine would be [speaking with English accent]: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLook at her, a person of the gutters, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCondemned by every syllable she utters. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy right, she ought to be taken out and hung \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor the cold-blooded murder of the English tongue!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> That\u2019s <em>brilliant<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I know that one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I watched that over, and over, and over.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s Henry Higgins. Don\u2019t you know Henry Higgins?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Of course! I was just testing. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you could have anybody come to your house and tell the Christmas story to your kids at Christmas time, who would\u2014wouldn\u2019t you want Sally Lloyd-Jones coming and telling the Christmas story to your kids?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think a wonderful story I\u2019d love to hear\u2014just to hear George tell the Christmas story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh, <em>A Wonderful Life<\/em>! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> George Bailey?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Imitating George Bailey] \u201cHelp me, Clarence. Help me! [Laughter] Get me out of here!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> He\u2019s very good; isn\u2019t he? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Imitating George Bailey] \u201cGet me back to my wife and kids!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You love films, I guess.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I do; I do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When it\u2019s Christmas time\u2014this happens to Bob every 11 months\u2014so just put up with it if you would. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just introduced, very casually there, Sally Lloyd-Jones, who joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. She was born and raised in Africa, schooled in England, lives in New York City. She is the <em>New York Times<\/em> author of a bestselling book\u2014one of them she has written is called <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think everybody listening to <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>has <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>\u2014feels like. How many copies?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Two point five million.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Then I think you\u2019re right\u2014it is everybody.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Everybody I run into\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I have one, and I don\u2019t have children at home. I have mine marked\u2014I love it! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh. The most exciting thing to me is its now in 34 languages.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Oh, that\u2019s wonderful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s cool!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What\u2019s your favorite language out of those 34? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019m really excited about Arabic\u2014it\u2019s just been translated into Arabic. What I love to say is, \u201cI wrote a book I can\u2019t read,\u201d\u2014[Laughter]\u2014actually, three of them!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And is it in Mandarin?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think it is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s great!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That reaches a few people too. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlso joining us is my wife Barbara. Tell them about Sally\u2019s book that we\u2019re also talking about this Christmas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> We\u2019re talking about this book that she wrote for children for Christmas: <em>Song of the Stars: A Christmas Story<\/em>. I just think it\u2019s a great idea to have books to read to your kids during the different seasons, because we have all these traditions that we do. I remember when we were raising our kids\u2014there were certain books that we read, every season, that were favorites. I think this one will become a favorite of many families to read, year after year, with your children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We had, in our library at home, it was called <em>The Holiday Story Book<\/em>. There were stories for every holiday of the year. So you\u2019d open it and read one for Valentine\u2019s Day or whatever. I never read any of them except the Christmas one. I remember it was a story of a car in an old car lot that was sitting there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNobody wanted to buy this old car\u2014it was a clunker and barely ran. Apparently, as I remember it, Santa\u2019s sleigh malfunctioned right over the car lot; and he had to hook up the reindeer to the car. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>That\u2019s very good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>All of a sudden, this old clunker of a car became Santa\u2019s sleigh for the holidays. There was something about reading it that was kind of my Christmas rituals to get me <em>ready<\/em> for the holidays. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> It had a bit of a redemption story to it\u2014that\u2019s why it rang true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There is something about story, at Christmastime, and the opportunity for parents to engage with their children around the Christmas story, that is meaningful on a whole variety of levels; isn\u2019t it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; I love that tradition\u2014like Barbara said. We love traditions; don\u2019t we?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I love\u2014you know, that we have several days before Christmas to get ready for Christmas. You have lots of opportunities.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So how will you spend Christmas in New York City?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, the thing is\u2014I end up in England, really\u2014so I never have been in New York on Christmas day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, New York City is delightful that time of year!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I mean, Barbara and I have been there. There is definitely a nip in the air. That city is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, it\u2019s magical.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> It is magical.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s dressed up\u2014it is really dressed up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> And again, talk about traditions\u2014you have <em>The Nutcracker<\/em> you can go to every year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You know, <em>The Messiah<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014all these lovely things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn England, one of the traditions that\u2019s one of my <em>favorites<\/em> is Kings College Choir carols on Christmas Eve.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> That would be <em>wonderful<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s broadcast on the radio. Apparently, it\u2019s been broadcast since like, I think, the war\u2014or even before. One of the stories I love is that\u2014it\u2019s a boy choir \/ a male voice choir. They have little boys who might be six\/seven. The whole broadcast begins with <em>Once in Royal David\u2019s City<\/em>; but the first verse is sung so low by one of the youngest boys. So they don\u2019t get completely freaked out\u2014the choir master chooses three boys and trains them. Just like maybe <em>seconds<\/em> before the broadcast begins, he taps the boy that he\u2019s chosen on the head and he sings it; and he has no chance to get nervous. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Are you kidding me?! All <em>three<\/em> of them will get nervous! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; right! [Laughter] But it\u2019s so beautiful\u2014that voice\u2014the pure voice of a young boy singing <em>Once in Royal David\u2019s City <\/em>and the acoustics\u2014to me, that\u2019s one of the high points of Christmas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So what do you do in England for Christmas? Tell us how you celebrate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You know, we do have the edge on everyone; because we know how to do Christmas. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What\u2019s that?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> What is that edge? Yes; I want to know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Because we have Christmas pudding\u2014figgy pudding as Dickens would call it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Hold it; hold it! What\u2019s that made of?\u2014Christmas pudding?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s sounds horrid, but it\u2019s delicious. I\u2019m going to describe it, but you have to realize it\u2019s <em>delicious<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s got currents, raisins\u2014see, your faces already\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> No; so far, so good\u2014I love currents and raisins.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s got some liquor in it, but it gets burned away. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This is why the English like it!! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> And you have it with brandy butter. Oh, yes, there\u2019s a lot of liquor in it. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019ve got brandy in it!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Is this allowed on your program?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s what you have to do with your food in England. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s a merry Christmas. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m sorry\u2014I\u2019m really sorry for that. We\u2019ve been to England and your food\u2014you got to cross the\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>\u2014the Channel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014the English Channel\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>But then, we also wear hats at Christmas\u2014crowns \/ the paper crowns that come out of Christmas crackers. Now, you\u2019re really lost; aren\u2019t you? Christmas crackers\u2014I don\u2019t even know how to describe them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I know what they are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You pull them, and they bang, and inside is a hat and a present. Then, we drop everything at 3:00\u2014we go and listen to the Queen\u2019s speech\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> On Christmas Day?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014on Christmas Day. So, wherever you are with your Christmas meal, you stop everything\u2014go and watch the Queen give a speech. She gives this incredible speech. You know, you have to really be reverent. Sometimes, the grandchildren are doing terribly naughty things, and my mother gives them a look. We all have to stand up when the anthem happens. This has happened\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014forever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014forever and ever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> How long does\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What does she speak on? I mean\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> That\u2019s what I want to know. How long\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> She\u2019s amazing, actually. I mean, I\u2019m a <em>huge<\/em> fan. If you think about how faithful she has been for how long\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Her whole idea about duty versus\u2014you know\u2014of course, I am a big fan of <em>The Crown<\/em>. Did you watch <em>The Crown<\/em>?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh, yes, we did. It was <em>wonderful<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I\u2019m sorry; I\u2019m going all over the place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, yes; we did. That was very good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> We thought it was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I\u2019m mad on it, because you really believe Claire Foy is Queen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019re mad about it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Mad, in a British way, is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>\u2014is crazy!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014crazy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I knew what you said! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s my question for you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> They are very naughty, these people! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to know, if we could invite you over to everybody\u2019s house to tell the Christmas story to our kids and grandkids, would you just pull out your book and read it to them?\u2014or how would you engage a child in the story \/ the biblical story of Christmas if you were sitting down with them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I like, sometimes, to say, \u201cWhen does Christmas begin?\u201d and get them to sort of\u2014it\u2019s always good to ask them a question; because what you want to do is get them\u2014as they say, you\u2019re tuning your audience. Sometimes, I\u2019ll resort to pantomime effects\u2014so you\u2019ll say\/ask them a question; and they\u2019ll answer. You say: \u201cI am sorry I can\u2019t hear you. Could you say it louder?\u201d\u2014until they are <em>shouting<\/em>. Then, if you\u2019ve got parents there as well, you set up parents against the children. That way you have them where you want them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then I would say to them, \u201cSo, when do you think Christmas begins?\u201d and they\u2019ll tell you, \u201cWhen the star goes in the sky,\u201d \u201cWhen Jesus is born,\u201d \u201cWhen\u2026\u201d\u2014whatever they\u2019re going to say. Hopefully, they won\u2019t \/ none of them will say: \u201cActually, it begins even before there were stars in the sky \/ it begins even before there was <em>anything<\/em>. Before anything was there, God had a dream in His heart; and Christmas began in that dream,\u201d and start there, because it\u2019s not expected.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI always think the most important thing is to set up the longing and expectation, so that when Christmas day comes, we don\u2019t just go, \u201cOh, it\u2019s any old day.\u201d We get the sense that God\u2019s people were waiting, for thousands of years, for this and that this was a promise fulfilled. It\u2019s not just a sweet story\u2014it\u2019s the most <em>incredible<\/em> thing about God breaking into history.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you think about communicating biblical truth to kids, you want to make sure that the story is in a very broad context, not just an isolated story. Why is that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>I find that\u2019s how my heart gets got. If I see it in the big scope \/ if I see that none of this is just happenstance\u2014it\u2019s all a plan and that it started with God\u2019s\u2014just the idea that God was planning to bless us before He made us, and He knew it would all go wrong; but He still made us\u2014that\u2019s what melts my heart. I think that\u2019s the truth in the Bible; isn\u2019t it? If you just take one story at a time, they\u2019re wonderful; but it\u2019s when you see them in the context of the big story and you see that it\u2019s a love story, that\u2019s when your heart gets changed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>When you were a little girl, do you remember the time when Christmas, the story of Christmas, grabbed your heart and captured your imagination?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know if I remember exactly that. I knew I loved Christmas and I loved the fact that I knew Jesus was my best friend always, ever since I was four.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You didn\u2019t just celebrate Christmas in England, at that point; you went back to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>We were in Africa.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014Africa.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>So, we were having\u2014I don\u2019t know if we were still doing hats, and eating Christmas pudding, and all that stuff. We probably went to the beach. I think that\u2019s what we did on Christmas Day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So what country?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Uganda. First of all, Kampala; and then we moved to Nairobi and Kenya. So, Christmas, for me, was amidst wild animals and jungles, and that kind of\u2014savannahs and stuff\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In a tropical climate, not where there\u2019s snow falling.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>No. And I do remember\u2014actually, the first thing I do remember, when I came to England, was the first time I saw snow. I thought it was ice cream coming down. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>And you were how old?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>I was probably six.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Oh, amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, did the biblical story of Christmas compete in your heart with the traditions of Christmas?\u2014with St. Nicholas, with Santa Claus, with all of that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes; I mean, Father Christmas was the big person looming in your life when you\u2019re little. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you know, I became a Christian when I was four; so I\u2019m sure, the first four years of my life, we were\u2014it was more Santa Claus. But there\u2019s something\u2014I know there are big debates about whether you should have Santa Claus. I didn\u2019t find it harmful at all. I never thought anything other than it was\u2014I mean, I remember being <em>devastated<\/em> when I found out he wasn\u2019t real; but I soon got over it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So you were able to separate that that was fantasy and that the biblical story was history.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes; yes. I didn\u2019t find that confusing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Why do you think that was clear to you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Because I suppose\u2014I\u2019d met Jesus and I knew He was my best friend\u2014I wouldn\u2019t want it any other way. There was something lovely about it\u2014you know, the whole excitement. I suppose the excitement of, \u201cHe\u2019s coming,\u201d and everything like that\u2014that\u2019s not so dissimilar to what you\u2014actually, is the truth of Christmas\u2014it\u2019s exciting because your rescue is coming, which is much more exciting than, \u201cSanta\u2019s coming with presents.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And He\u2019s coming back!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes; yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Not just His first advent\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014but because the first Christmas occurred, we can look forward to His second advent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes; and that is deep in us; isn\u2019t it?\u2014that longing for Him to come.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It really is. Tell us how this book, <em>A Song of the Stars: A Christmas Story<\/em>, how it captures Christmas to young people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s interesting; because that one came because\u2014as I was saying, I was in Africa as a little one. You know, my Christmas was in the wilds of Africa, and there\u2019s no snow on the rooftops; but Christmas was coming. I was thinking\u2014we know the story of Bethlehem and how it\u2019s so busy and no one noticed Jesus and Mary and Joseph\u2014but I was thinking about the animals and back to my childhood in Africa. I was thinking, \u201cWhat if the animals knew, and the stars knew, and all the\u2026\u201d because they don\u2019t have an argument with their Maker. We\u2019re the only ones who have an argument with our Maker.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>[Laughter] That\u2019s exactly right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>And they\u2019re suffering; aren\u2019t they? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Right; because of us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>They\u2019re suffering because of our sin and the fall, but why wouldn\u2019t they have known? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I thought, \u201cWell, what if,\u201d\u2014and again, going back to that longing of, \u201cHe\u2019s coming,\u201d\u2014I thought, \u201cWhat if, that night, people didn\u2019t know because they were too busy; but what if the animals did?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s where this book came from. There\u2019s a refrain: \u201cIt\u2019s time. It\u2019s time. At last, He\u2019s coming!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I love that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Barbara, did you have a hard time, when your kids were little, with the competition between the cultural trappings of Christmas and the spiritual message of Christmas?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know that we had a hard time as much as we just did\u2014we were very intentional about teaching what Christmas was about. We wanted our kids to understand that it was about Jesus and it was about His birth. We made putting the manger scene up sort of the focal point; but we didn\u2019t dismiss Santa, and stockings, and things; because it was fun to pretend and do make-believe. We did all of that; but it was secondary to the real reason for Christmas so that, when our kids found out, I don\u2019t think they were devastated.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>What was central was the truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Right, and I remember being disappointed, when I was a child, finding out that Santa wasn\u2019t real; but I don\u2019t think our kids were disappointed. I think they <em>always<\/em> knew that this story about Jesus was what it was really about. This [Santa] was just play\u2014this was fun \/ this was pretend, and we all enjoyed it\u2014but that wasn\u2019t the real message.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>My recollection of Christmas was sprinting to the end, and putting together\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>You mean, as parents?\u2014talking about\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, as parents. Yes; I just remember getting everything ready\u2014the swing set that I was putting up, in the dark, on Christmas Eve\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You can\u2019t get it out and start putting it up until the kids are in bed; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Right; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You can\u2019t. And if I had it to do all over again, I think I\u2019d have taken a deep breath; and I think I would have just been more in the moment and not been so <em>frantic<\/em> about trying to turn the entire Christmas day, especially Christmas morning, into this life-altering seismic experience for our kids. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014a production.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And put a little more effort into enjoying them in the process and celebrating, as Sally is talking about, the real reason for Christmas\u2014celebrating His coming.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A lot of parents will get out their Bible and turn to Luke 2, and they\u2019ll read the familiar account of the shepherds, and maybe go to Matthew and read about the wise men; and they will wonder, having read that to their kids: \u201cDid any of that sink in? Did I just read something that their eyes glazed over?\u201d If they want this story to really come alive for their kids, and they\u2019re not Sally Lloyd-Jones, what do they do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Well, they know their children best. I\u2019m just covering all my bases and saying, as a story-teller, what I would do is include all the days leading up to Christmas. Don\u2019t rely on just Christmas; because one of the things I think is fun to do is set up a nativity\u2014but don\u2019t have Jesus in the nativity, and don\u2019t have the shepherds, and don\u2019t have the wise men\u2014start introducing them. You know, you could talk about: \u201cThere were some shepherds, and they\u2019re looking after their sheep. Where shall they be in the house?\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and put them somewhere in the house \/ same with the wise men. The fun thing about the wise men is\u2014you can have them coming closer and closer to the nativity, every day you move them, until they arrive at the nativity on the\u2014you know\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014on Christmas; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes; so you can\u2014I think it\u2019s making it interactive and, certainly, not making it a lesson. I think that\u2019s my\u2014I would say that: \u201cDon\u2019t make it into a lesson. Enjoy the story, because the story is so <em>powerful<\/em>.\u201d And there are lots of resources. You don\u2019t have to\u2014I mean, obviously, reading the biblical account is wonderful; and then read other ways to look at it so that you come at it from different angles. There are all kinds of\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; that\u2019s what I was thinking about. Your book, <em>Song of the Stars<\/em>, fits in with what Barbara has created for this Christmas\u2014the names of Christ Adorenaments<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> in stars \/ His eternal names.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, my dream has been to create something that would help families teach their children who Jesus is, because Christmas is about Jesus. And so I\u2019ve created this set of ornaments\u2014that each one is a different name of Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis year, it is stars; and I\u2019ve written a piece about following the star\u2014that\u2019s what the wise men did. I think\u2014you know, to hitchhike off what we were just saying \/ you said a few minutes ago\u2014that asking questions is the way to prime your audience. I think, for parents\u2014whether you\u2019re hanging the ornaments on the tree about Jesus and His names or whether you\u2019re reading the book\u2014the more you can engage with your kids and ask them questions: \u201cWhy do you think it\u2019s important that we know that Jesus is the Bright and Morning Star?\u201d \u201cWhat do you think the wise men were thinking when they traveled? How long did it take them to get here?\u201d\u2014make it be something that engages their imagination and their thinking. They are much more likely to, not just remember the story, but want to hear it again; because it was intriguing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019d just say, \u201cIf you\u2019ll sit quiet and listen, we\u2019ll have figgy pudding when it\u2019s over; okay?\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>And they\u2019ll run a mile! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other thing I think I\u2019ve\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Forget the figgy pudding; let\u2019s have some of this British pudding! [Laughter] I thought it was Christmas pudding!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Are you not paying attention, Dennis?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I thought you said Christmas pudding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Well, no\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>She did say Christmas pudding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>They\u2019re both one and the same.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh really?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I didn\u2019t catch that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Dickens had figgy pudding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>[Singing] \u201cNow bring us our figgy pudding, now bring us our figgy pudding\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I didn\u2019t equate that with Christmas pudding that she described that had all the liquor in it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>I\u2019m sorry about this figgy pudding; it\u2019s really bringing the show down. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was going to mention another great idea, I think, that I\u2019ve seen people do is\u2014like with <em>Song of the Stars <\/em>for instance\u2014I\u2019ll give that as an example. I do the same thing\u2014I talk about, you know: \u201cThe sheep knew,\u201d \u201cThe lambs knew, and the Great Shepherd.\u201d So, you could take one day\u2014the Great Shepherd\u2014and then put some beautiful Christmas music on and have your children draw sheep or just spend some time together focusing on sheep. Then, another day, you could talk about the lion knew He was coming\u2014the Lion of Judah. So then, you could draw lions and put on more music. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the more you can engage the different senses and have them creating their own art\u2014and those could become Advent calendars \/ they could become ornaments\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I agree.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Trust me, those are things that, 20 years from now, you\u2019ll pull out of a file and just delight over.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Absolutely; absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In fact\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And in fact, the kids will be fighting over them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, just recently\u2014when our kids were young, our son, David, had a little bit of a flair for art. When he was ten, he did our Christmas card\u2014it was his drawing of the nativity that we sent out as our Christmas card that year\u2014same as when he was eleven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, David\u2019s married now. His wife just saw the Christmas cards and she said, \u201cI want those!\u201d And we\u2019re going: \u201cNo; those belong to Mom and Dad. [Laughter] You have to get him to draw you some new ones.\u201d [Laughter] But it is that kind of a delightful recollection of what Christmas was about, as a child, that you\u2019ll look forward to years from now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, regardless\u2014this Christmas, enjoy the moment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Celebrate the Savior and don\u2019t miss the reason for the season.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And Sally is not able to come to your home, but her books are; and of course, we have her books in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center\u2014the Christmas story,<em> Song of the Stars;<\/em> her book, <em>Found<\/em>, which is the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm for children; and then, of course, <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. Find out more about what\u2019s available to read to your children when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd while you\u2019re there, look at the resources Barbara has been developing for families at Christmas as well, including her new set of Christmas tree ornaments that talk about the eternal names of Jesus. Again, it\u2019s all available, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call if you have any questions or if you\u2019d like to order by phone: 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, as we\u2019re now a few weeks away from the end of 2017, we\u2019ve started to look back at how God has been at work through the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> in the last 12 months: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis wrote a book called <em>Choosing a Life that Matters<\/em> that was released earlier this year; we\u2019ve seen more people attending <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways; we\u2019ve added new cities, and the average attendance is up at our events. There is more hunger than ever for practical biblical help and hope for marriage and family. We\u2019ve seen more people coming to FamilyLifeToday.com, our website, getting easier access to articles, and audio, and video\u2014they\u2019re getting the help they need when they access our content.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd of course, our listeners\u2014we\u2019re hearing from new folks, every week, who are listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> and telling us how God is using this ministry in profound ways in their marriage and in their family. We\u2019re grateful for all that God is doing through this ministry, and all of it has been enabled by a relatively small number of listeners\u2014those of you who believe in the mission of this ministry and who want to see it expanded\u2014want to see more people in your community and around the world helped. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re grateful for the partnership that we have with listeners, like you, who help support the ministry of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, right now, as we\u2019re approaching the end of 2017, this is a particularly good time to think about making a donation. Our friend, Michelle Hill, is here to explain why. Hello, Michelle.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey Bob, yes it is a good time to donate, which is what John from Los Altos California did\u2026John called and took advantage of the matching fund?... and <em>his <\/em>donation was matched dollar for dollar...the reason it\u2019s a good time Bob is that the matching is going to continue during December, up to a total of two million dollars! So a big thanks to folks like John and Diane and Leona and almost thirteen hundred other folks who\u2019ve called and given over two hundred sixty five thousand dollars so far\u2026we <strong><em>really <\/em><\/strong>appreciate you!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks Bob\u2026see you tomorrow\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And it is easy to join us. You can do that, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; you can call to donate\u20141-800-FL-TODAY\u2014or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and the zip code is 72223. Thank you for the update, Michelle; and we\u2019ll see you back tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you\u2019ll join us back tomorrow as well. Sally Lloyd-Jones will be with us again, and we\u2019re going to continue to talk about how moms and dads can connect with their kids around biblical truth. I hope you can be with us for that conversation.<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. 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Her book, \"Song of the Stars,\" recounts the birth of Christ.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2017-12-07.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>One of the challenges that families often face during the Christmas season is how toor even whether to blend in the holiday traditions with the biblical story of Christmas. Here\u2019s some thoughts from author, Sally Lloyd-Jones. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You know, I became a Christian when I was four. I am sure, the first four years of my life, we were\u2014it was more Santa Claus. Father Christmas was the big person looming in your life when you\u2019re little. I suppose the excitement of: \u201cHe\u2019s coming!\u201d and everything like that\u2014that\u2019s not so dissimilar to what you\u2014actually, is the truth of Christmas. 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[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You have a great impersonation of Jerry Falwell. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; but\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Can I hear your Sally Lloyd-Jones? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m not that clever! [Laughter] No; mine would be [speaking with English accent]: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLook at her, a person of the gutters, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCondemned by every syllable she utters. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy right, she ought to be taken out and hung \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor the cold-blooded murder of the English tongue!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> That\u2019s <em>brilliant<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I know that one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I watched that over, and over, and over.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s Henry Higgins. Don\u2019t you know Henry Higgins?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Of course! I was just testing. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you could have anybody come to your house and tell the Christmas story to your kids at Christmas time, who would\u2014wouldn\u2019t you want Sally Lloyd-Jones coming and telling the Christmas story to your kids?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think a wonderful story I\u2019d love to hear\u2014just to hear George tell the Christmas story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh, <em>A Wonderful Life<\/em>! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> George Bailey?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Imitating George Bailey] \u201cHelp me, Clarence. Help me! [Laughter] Get me out of here!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> He\u2019s very good; isn\u2019t he? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Imitating George Bailey] \u201cGet me back to my wife and kids!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You love films, I guess.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I do; I do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When it\u2019s Christmas time\u2014this happens to Bob every 11 months\u2014so just put up with it if you would. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just introduced, very casually there, Sally Lloyd-Jones, who joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. She was born and raised in Africa, schooled in England, lives in New York City. She is the <em>New York Times<\/em> author of a bestselling book\u2014one of them she has written is called <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think everybody listening to <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>has <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>\u2014feels like. How many copies?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Two point five million.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Then I think you\u2019re right\u2014it is everybody.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Everybody I run into\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I have one, and I don\u2019t have children at home. I have mine marked\u2014I love it! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh. The most exciting thing to me is its now in 34 languages.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Oh, that\u2019s wonderful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s cool!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What\u2019s your favorite language out of those 34? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019m really excited about Arabic\u2014it\u2019s just been translated into Arabic. What I love to say is, \u201cI wrote a book I can\u2019t read,\u201d\u2014[Laughter]\u2014actually, three of them!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And is it in Mandarin?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think it is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s great!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That reaches a few people too. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlso joining us is my wife Barbara. Tell them about Sally\u2019s book that we\u2019re also talking about this Christmas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> We\u2019re talking about this book that she wrote for children for Christmas: <em>Song of the Stars: A Christmas Story<\/em>. I just think it\u2019s a great idea to have books to read to your kids during the different seasons, because we have all these traditions that we do. I remember when we were raising our kids\u2014there were certain books that we read, every season, that were favorites. I think this one will become a favorite of many families to read, year after year, with your children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We had, in our library at home, it was called <em>The Holiday Story Book<\/em>. There were stories for every holiday of the year. So you\u2019d open it and read one for Valentine\u2019s Day or whatever. I never read any of them except the Christmas one. I remember it was a story of a car in an old car lot that was sitting there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNobody wanted to buy this old car\u2014it was a clunker and barely ran. Apparently, as I remember it, Santa\u2019s sleigh malfunctioned right over the car lot; and he had to hook up the reindeer to the car. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>That\u2019s very good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>All of a sudden, this old clunker of a car became Santa\u2019s sleigh for the holidays. There was something about reading it that was kind of my Christmas rituals to get me <em>ready<\/em> for the holidays. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> It had a bit of a redemption story to it\u2014that\u2019s why it rang true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There is something about story, at Christmastime, and the opportunity for parents to engage with their children around the Christmas story, that is meaningful on a whole variety of levels; isn\u2019t it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; I love that tradition\u2014like Barbara said. We love traditions; don\u2019t we?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I love\u2014you know, that we have several days before Christmas to get ready for Christmas. You have lots of opportunities.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So how will you spend Christmas in New York City?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, the thing is\u2014I end up in England, really\u2014so I never have been in New York on Christmas day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, New York City is delightful that time of year!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I mean, Barbara and I have been there. There is definitely a nip in the air. That city is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, it\u2019s magical.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> It is magical.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s dressed up\u2014it is really dressed up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> And again, talk about traditions\u2014you have <em>The Nutcracker<\/em> you can go to every year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You know, <em>The Messiah<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014all these lovely things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn England, one of the traditions that\u2019s one of my <em>favorites<\/em> is Kings College Choir carols on Christmas Eve.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> That would be <em>wonderful<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s broadcast on the radio. Apparently, it\u2019s been broadcast since like, I think, the war\u2014or even before. One of the stories I love is that\u2014it\u2019s a boy choir \/ a male voice choir. They have little boys who might be six\/seven. The whole broadcast begins with <em>Once in Royal David\u2019s City<\/em>; but the first verse is sung so low by one of the youngest boys. So they don\u2019t get completely freaked out\u2014the choir master chooses three boys and trains them. Just like maybe <em>seconds<\/em> before the broadcast begins, he taps the boy that he\u2019s chosen on the head and he sings it; and he has no chance to get nervous. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Are you kidding me?! All <em>three<\/em> of them will get nervous! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes; right! [Laughter] But it\u2019s so beautiful\u2014that voice\u2014the pure voice of a young boy singing <em>Once in Royal David\u2019s City <\/em>and the acoustics\u2014to me, that\u2019s one of the high points of Christmas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So what do you do in England for Christmas? Tell us how you celebrate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You know, we do have the edge on everyone; because we know how to do Christmas. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What\u2019s that?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> What is that edge? Yes; I want to know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Because we have Christmas pudding\u2014figgy pudding as Dickens would call it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Hold it; hold it! What\u2019s that made of?\u2014Christmas pudding?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s sounds horrid, but it\u2019s delicious. I\u2019m going to describe it, but you have to realize it\u2019s <em>delicious<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s got currents, raisins\u2014see, your faces already\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> No; so far, so good\u2014I love currents and raisins.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s got some liquor in it, but it gets burned away. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This is why the English like it!! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> And you have it with brandy butter. Oh, yes, there\u2019s a lot of liquor in it. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019ve got brandy in it!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Is this allowed on your program?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s what you have to do with your food in England. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s a merry Christmas. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m sorry\u2014I\u2019m really sorry for that. We\u2019ve been to England and your food\u2014you got to cross the\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>\u2014the Channel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014the English Channel\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>But then, we also wear hats at Christmas\u2014crowns \/ the paper crowns that come out of Christmas crackers. Now, you\u2019re really lost; aren\u2019t you? Christmas crackers\u2014I don\u2019t even know how to describe them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I know what they are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> You pull them, and they bang, and inside is a hat and a present. Then, we drop everything at 3:00\u2014we go and listen to the Queen\u2019s speech\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> On Christmas Day?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014on Christmas Day. So, wherever you are with your Christmas meal, you stop everything\u2014go and watch the Queen give a speech. She gives this incredible speech. You know, you have to really be reverent. Sometimes, the grandchildren are doing terribly naughty things, and my mother gives them a look. We all have to stand up when the anthem happens. This has happened\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014forever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014forever and ever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> How long does\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What does she speak on? I mean\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> That\u2019s what I want to know. How long\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> She\u2019s amazing, actually. I mean, I\u2019m a <em>huge<\/em> fan. If you think about how faithful she has been for how long\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Her whole idea about duty versus\u2014you know\u2014of course, I am a big fan of <em>The Crown<\/em>. Did you watch <em>The Crown<\/em>?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh, yes, we did. It was <em>wonderful<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I\u2019m sorry; I\u2019m going all over the place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, yes; we did. That was very good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> We thought it was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I\u2019m mad on it, because you really believe Claire Foy is Queen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019re mad about it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Mad, in a British way, is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>\u2014is crazy!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014crazy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I knew what you said! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s my question for you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> They are very naughty, these people! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to know, if we could invite you over to everybody\u2019s house to tell the Christmas story to our kids and grandkids, would you just pull out your book and read it to them?\u2014or how would you engage a child in the story \/ the biblical story of Christmas if you were sitting down with them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I like, sometimes, to say, \u201cWhen does Christmas begin?\u201d and get them to sort of\u2014it\u2019s always good to ask them a question; because what you want to do is get them\u2014as they say, you\u2019re tuning your audience. Sometimes, I\u2019ll resort to pantomime effects\u2014so you\u2019ll say\/ask them a question; and they\u2019ll answer. You say: \u201cI am sorry I can\u2019t hear you. Could you say it louder?\u201d\u2014until they are <em>shouting<\/em>. Then, if you\u2019ve got parents there as well, you set up parents against the children. That way you have them where you want them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then I would say to them, \u201cSo, when do you think Christmas begins?\u201d and they\u2019ll tell you, \u201cWhen the star goes in the sky,\u201d \u201cWhen Jesus is born,\u201d \u201cWhen\u2026\u201d\u2014whatever they\u2019re going to say. Hopefully, they won\u2019t \/ none of them will say: \u201cActually, it begins even before there were stars in the sky \/ it begins even before there was <em>anything<\/em>. Before anything was there, God had a dream in His heart; and Christmas began in that dream,\u201d and start there, because it\u2019s not expected.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI always think the most important thing is to set up the longing and expectation, so that when Christmas day comes, we don\u2019t just go, \u201cOh, it\u2019s any old day.\u201d We get the sense that God\u2019s people were waiting, for thousands of years, for this and that this was a promise fulfilled. It\u2019s not just a sweet story\u2014it\u2019s the most <em>incredible<\/em> thing about God breaking into history.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you think about communicating biblical truth to kids, you want to make sure that the story is in a very broad context, not just an isolated story. Why is that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>I find that\u2019s how my heart gets got. If I see it in the big scope \/ if I see that none of this is just happenstance\u2014it\u2019s all a plan and that it started with God\u2019s\u2014just the idea that God was planning to bless us before He made us, and He knew it would all go wrong; but He still made us\u2014that\u2019s what melts my heart. I think that\u2019s the truth in the Bible; isn\u2019t it? If you just take one story at a time, they\u2019re wonderful; but it\u2019s when you see them in the context of the big story and you see that it\u2019s a love story, that\u2019s when your heart gets changed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>When you were a little girl, do you remember the time when Christmas, the story of Christmas, grabbed your heart and captured your imagination?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know if I remember exactly that. I knew I loved Christmas and I loved the fact that I knew Jesus was my best friend always, ever since I was four.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You didn\u2019t just celebrate Christmas in England, at that point; you went back to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>We were in Africa.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014Africa.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>So, we were having\u2014I don\u2019t know if we were still doing hats, and eating Christmas pudding, and all that stuff. We probably went to the beach. I think that\u2019s what we did on Christmas Day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So what country?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Uganda. First of all, Kampala; and then we moved to Nairobi and Kenya. So, Christmas, for me, was amidst wild animals and jungles, and that kind of\u2014savannahs and stuff\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In a tropical climate, not where there\u2019s snow falling.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>No. And I do remember\u2014actually, the first thing I do remember, when I came to England, was the first time I saw snow. I thought it was ice cream coming down. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>And you were how old?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>I was probably six.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Oh, amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, did the biblical story of Christmas compete in your heart with the traditions of Christmas?\u2014with St. Nicholas, with Santa Claus, with all of that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes; I mean, Father Christmas was the big person looming in your life when you\u2019re little. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you know, I became a Christian when I was four; so I\u2019m sure, the first four years of my life, we were\u2014it was more Santa Claus. But there\u2019s something\u2014I know there are big debates about whether you should have Santa Claus. I didn\u2019t find it harmful at all. I never thought anything other than it was\u2014I mean, I remember being <em>devastated<\/em> when I found out he wasn\u2019t real; but I soon got over it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So you were able to separate that that was fantasy and that the biblical story was history.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes; yes. I didn\u2019t find that confusing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Why do you think that was clear to you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Because I suppose\u2014I\u2019d met Jesus and I knew He was my best friend\u2014I wouldn\u2019t want it any other way. There was something lovely about it\u2014you know, the whole excitement. I suppose the excitement of, \u201cHe\u2019s coming,\u201d and everything like that\u2014that\u2019s not so dissimilar to what you\u2014actually, is the truth of Christmas\u2014it\u2019s exciting because your rescue is coming, which is much more exciting than, \u201cSanta\u2019s coming with presents.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And He\u2019s coming back!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes; yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Not just His first advent\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014but because the first Christmas occurred, we can look forward to His second advent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes; and that is deep in us; isn\u2019t it?\u2014that longing for Him to come.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It really is. Tell us how this book, <em>A Song of the Stars: A Christmas Story<\/em>, how it captures Christmas to young people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s interesting; because that one came because\u2014as I was saying, I was in Africa as a little one. You know, my Christmas was in the wilds of Africa, and there\u2019s no snow on the rooftops; but Christmas was coming. I was thinking\u2014we know the story of Bethlehem and how it\u2019s so busy and no one noticed Jesus and Mary and Joseph\u2014but I was thinking about the animals and back to my childhood in Africa. I was thinking, \u201cWhat if the animals knew, and the stars knew, and all the\u2026\u201d because they don\u2019t have an argument with their Maker. We\u2019re the only ones who have an argument with our Maker.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>[Laughter] That\u2019s exactly right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>And they\u2019re suffering; aren\u2019t they? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Right; because of us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>They\u2019re suffering because of our sin and the fall, but why wouldn\u2019t they have known? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I thought, \u201cWell, what if,\u201d\u2014and again, going back to that longing of, \u201cHe\u2019s coming,\u201d\u2014I thought, \u201cWhat if, that night, people didn\u2019t know because they were too busy; but what if the animals did?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s where this book came from. There\u2019s a refrain: \u201cIt\u2019s time. It\u2019s time. At last, He\u2019s coming!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I love that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Barbara, did you have a hard time, when your kids were little, with the competition between the cultural trappings of Christmas and the spiritual message of Christmas?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know that we had a hard time as much as we just did\u2014we were very intentional about teaching what Christmas was about. We wanted our kids to understand that it was about Jesus and it was about His birth. We made putting the manger scene up sort of the focal point; but we didn\u2019t dismiss Santa, and stockings, and things; because it was fun to pretend and do make-believe. We did all of that; but it was secondary to the real reason for Christmas so that, when our kids found out, I don\u2019t think they were devastated.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>What was central was the truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Right, and I remember being disappointed, when I was a child, finding out that Santa wasn\u2019t real; but I don\u2019t think our kids were disappointed. I think they <em>always<\/em> knew that this story about Jesus was what it was really about. This [Santa] was just play\u2014this was fun \/ this was pretend, and we all enjoyed it\u2014but that wasn\u2019t the real message.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>My recollection of Christmas was sprinting to the end, and putting together\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>You mean, as parents?\u2014talking about\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, as parents. Yes; I just remember getting everything ready\u2014the swing set that I was putting up, in the dark, on Christmas Eve\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You can\u2019t get it out and start putting it up until the kids are in bed; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Right; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You can\u2019t. And if I had it to do all over again, I think I\u2019d have taken a deep breath; and I think I would have just been more in the moment and not been so <em>frantic<\/em> about trying to turn the entire Christmas day, especially Christmas morning, into this life-altering seismic experience for our kids. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014a production.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And put a little more effort into enjoying them in the process and celebrating, as Sally is talking about, the real reason for Christmas\u2014celebrating His coming.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A lot of parents will get out their Bible and turn to Luke 2, and they\u2019ll read the familiar account of the shepherds, and maybe go to Matthew and read about the wise men; and they will wonder, having read that to their kids: \u201cDid any of that sink in? Did I just read something that their eyes glazed over?\u201d If they want this story to really come alive for their kids, and they\u2019re not Sally Lloyd-Jones, what do they do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Well, they know their children best. I\u2019m just covering all my bases and saying, as a story-teller, what I would do is include all the days leading up to Christmas. Don\u2019t rely on just Christmas; because one of the things I think is fun to do is set up a nativity\u2014but don\u2019t have Jesus in the nativity, and don\u2019t have the shepherds, and don\u2019t have the wise men\u2014start introducing them. You know, you could talk about: \u201cThere were some shepherds, and they\u2019re looking after their sheep. Where shall they be in the house?\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and put them somewhere in the house \/ same with the wise men. The fun thing about the wise men is\u2014you can have them coming closer and closer to the nativity, every day you move them, until they arrive at the nativity on the\u2014you know\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014on Christmas; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes; so you can\u2014I think it\u2019s making it interactive and, certainly, not making it a lesson. I think that\u2019s my\u2014I would say that: \u201cDon\u2019t make it into a lesson. Enjoy the story, because the story is so <em>powerful<\/em>.\u201d And there are lots of resources. You don\u2019t have to\u2014I mean, obviously, reading the biblical account is wonderful; and then read other ways to look at it so that you come at it from different angles. There are all kinds of\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; that\u2019s what I was thinking about. Your book, <em>Song of the Stars<\/em>, fits in with what Barbara has created for this Christmas\u2014the names of Christ Adorenaments<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> in stars \/ His eternal names.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, my dream has been to create something that would help families teach their children who Jesus is, because Christmas is about Jesus. And so I\u2019ve created this set of ornaments\u2014that each one is a different name of Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis year, it is stars; and I\u2019ve written a piece about following the star\u2014that\u2019s what the wise men did. I think\u2014you know, to hitchhike off what we were just saying \/ you said a few minutes ago\u2014that asking questions is the way to prime your audience. I think, for parents\u2014whether you\u2019re hanging the ornaments on the tree about Jesus and His names or whether you\u2019re reading the book\u2014the more you can engage with your kids and ask them questions: \u201cWhy do you think it\u2019s important that we know that Jesus is the Bright and Morning Star?\u201d \u201cWhat do you think the wise men were thinking when they traveled? How long did it take them to get here?\u201d\u2014make it be something that engages their imagination and their thinking. They are much more likely to, not just remember the story, but want to hear it again; because it was intriguing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019d just say, \u201cIf you\u2019ll sit quiet and listen, we\u2019ll have figgy pudding when it\u2019s over; okay?\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>And they\u2019ll run a mile! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other thing I think I\u2019ve\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Forget the figgy pudding; let\u2019s have some of this British pudding! [Laughter] I thought it was Christmas pudding!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Are you not paying attention, Dennis?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I thought you said Christmas pudding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Well, no\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>She did say Christmas pudding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>They\u2019re both one and the same.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh really?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I didn\u2019t catch that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Dickens had figgy pudding.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>[Singing] \u201cNow bring us our figgy pudding, now bring us our figgy pudding\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I didn\u2019t equate that with Christmas pudding that she described that had all the liquor in it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>I\u2019m sorry about this figgy pudding; it\u2019s really bringing the show down. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was going to mention another great idea, I think, that I\u2019ve seen people do is\u2014like with <em>Song of the Stars <\/em>for instance\u2014I\u2019ll give that as an example. I do the same thing\u2014I talk about, you know: \u201cThe sheep knew,\u201d \u201cThe lambs knew, and the Great Shepherd.\u201d So, you could take one day\u2014the Great Shepherd\u2014and then put some beautiful Christmas music on and have your children draw sheep or just spend some time together focusing on sheep. Then, another day, you could talk about the lion knew He was coming\u2014the Lion of Judah. So then, you could draw lions and put on more music. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the more you can engage the different senses and have them creating their own art\u2014and those could become Advent calendars \/ they could become ornaments\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I agree.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Trust me, those are things that, 20 years from now, you\u2019ll pull out of a file and just delight over.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Absolutely; absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In fact\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And in fact, the kids will be fighting over them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, just recently\u2014when our kids were young, our son, David, had a little bit of a flair for art. When he was ten, he did our Christmas card\u2014it was his drawing of the nativity that we sent out as our Christmas card that year\u2014same as when he was eleven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, David\u2019s married now. His wife just saw the Christmas cards and she said, \u201cI want those!\u201d And we\u2019re going: \u201cNo; those belong to Mom and Dad. [Laughter] You have to get him to draw you some new ones.\u201d [Laughter] But it is that kind of a delightful recollection of what Christmas was about, as a child, that you\u2019ll look forward to years from now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, regardless\u2014this Christmas, enjoy the moment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Celebrate the Savior and don\u2019t miss the reason for the season.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And Sally is not able to come to your home, but her books are; and of course, we have her books in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center\u2014the Christmas story,<em> Song of the Stars;<\/em> her book, <em>Found<\/em>, which is the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm for children; and then, of course, <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. Find out more about what\u2019s available to read to your children when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd while you\u2019re there, look at the resources Barbara has been developing for families at Christmas as well, including her new set of Christmas tree ornaments that talk about the eternal names of Jesus. Again, it\u2019s all available, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call if you have any questions or if you\u2019d like to order by phone: 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, as we\u2019re now a few weeks away from the end of 2017, we\u2019ve started to look back at how God has been at work through the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> in the last 12 months: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis wrote a book called <em>Choosing a Life that Matters<\/em> that was released earlier this year; we\u2019ve seen more people attending <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways; we\u2019ve added new cities, and the average attendance is up at our events. There is more hunger than ever for practical biblical help and hope for marriage and family. We\u2019ve seen more people coming to FamilyLifeToday.com, our website, getting easier access to articles, and audio, and video\u2014they\u2019re getting the help they need when they access our content.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd of course, our listeners\u2014we\u2019re hearing from new folks, every week, who are listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> and telling us how God is using this ministry in profound ways in their marriage and in their family. We\u2019re grateful for all that God is doing through this ministry, and all of it has been enabled by a relatively small number of listeners\u2014those of you who believe in the mission of this ministry and who want to see it expanded\u2014want to see more people in your community and around the world helped. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re grateful for the partnership that we have with listeners, like you, who help support the ministry of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, right now, as we\u2019re approaching the end of 2017, this is a particularly good time to think about making a donation. Our friend, Michelle Hill, is here to explain why. Hello, Michelle.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle:<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHey Bob, yes it is a good time to donate, which is what John from Los Altos California did\u2026John called and took advantage of the matching fund?... and <em>his <\/em>donation was matched dollar for dollar...the reason it\u2019s a good time Bob is that the matching is going to continue during December, up to a total of two million dollars! So a big thanks to folks like John and Diane and Leona and almost thirteen hundred other folks who\u2019ve called and given over two hundred sixty five thousand dollars so far\u2026we <strong><em>really <\/em><\/strong>appreciate you!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks Bob\u2026see you tomorrow\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And it is easy to join us. You can do that, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; you can call to donate\u20141-800-FL-TODAY\u2014or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and the zip code is 72223. Thank you for the update, Michelle; and we\u2019ll see you back tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you\u2019ll join us back tomorrow as well. Sally Lloyd-Jones will be with us again, and we\u2019re going to continue to talk about how moms and dads can connect with their kids around biblical truth. I hope you can be with us for that conversation.<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs? \u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2017 FamilyLife. 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