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I cannot begin to tell you what a healing process that is\u2014to <em>really<\/em> be intentional \/ not just, \u201cI\u2019m sorry, Lord, for the things that I did wrong this week,\u201d\u2014but to really start to think through. When you actually are intentional about repentance, you love Jesus in a way that is much deeper and more profoundly life-changing than when it\u2019s just sort of a blanket repentance in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, December 5<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow often is genuine repentance a part of the fabric of your family \/ your relationships? We\u2019ll talk more about living life the broken way with our guest today, Ann Voskamp. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Bob, could you believe how we were flooded with phone calls yesterday?\u2014all the people calling who wanted to become a donor to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> because we had solved the mystery\u2014[Laughter]\u2014of the <em>name<\/em> of Ann Voskamp\u2019s husband. [Laughter] The Farmer actually has a name! Ann, thank you for being on our broadcast! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I surrendered the name voluntarily. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We needed donors around here, and you have <em>unlocked<\/em>\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>My privilege and honor, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you\u2019d like to make a yearend donation, you can go online\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014in honor of Darryl. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014in honor of Darryl.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There you go! Well, if you don\u2019t know Ann Voskamp, you should. By the way, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Come back again soon; would you? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Ann is the Farmer\u2019s wife \/ mom of seven; she\u2019s the author of four <em>New York Times<\/em> bestsellers, and the latest one is called <em>The Broken Way<\/em>. She lives west of Toronto, about an hour-and-a-half, and lives on a farm, where they raise little piglets.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I like your book for a number of reasons, but I like it because you\u2019re <em>feisty<\/em>. [Laughter] You\u2019re feisty\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>You might be the first\u2014well, no, Darryl has said that a few times. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; I\u2019ll bet he has. But you\u2019re feisty because\u2014you were seated outside, in a waiting room\u2014you didn\u2019t say whether it was a doctor\u2019s office.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes; a doctor\u2019s office; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, with seven kids, it had to be a doctor\u2019s office. [Laughter] You were thumbing through some articles.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Oh yes! I got myself all riled up on that one; didn\u2019t I? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; you did. I really like this, though. Share what you kind of railed about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>It was a <em>travel<\/em> article about how you needed to have a bucket list to go to all of these exotic places in the world to really\u2014not only just to experience them for yourself\u2014but to be able to boast about them at parties, that you had been to \u201cx,\u201d \u201cy,\u201d or \u201cz.\u201d I guess I was just really distressed that: \u201cReally, does the meaningfulness and the purposefulness of your life come down to how much you can stick in a bucket?\u2014how many experiences you can experience before you hit the bucket, per se?\u201d [Laughter] When I think that everything in Scripture gives us a much <em>richer<\/em>, more meaningful way to live our lives\u2014to pour <em>out<\/em> that bucket \/ to live with an <em>empty<\/em> bucket\u2014as opposed to a bucket <em>list<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Now, you\u2019re preaching it, girl!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes! So actually, only about\u2014what?\u2014six weeks ago \/ eight weeks ago, I was at a little Mennonite store, where they actually have lanterns on the walls because they don\u2019t have electricity. I had bought what I needed to buy. As I was up at the till, where bonnet lady was writing out my bill\u2014yes, not Walmart<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014[Laughter]\u2014she had a little stack of buckets\u2014little teeny, tiny buckets\u2014about two to three inches high. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said: \u201cYou know what? I\u2019d like a bucket to take home and put right beside the sink\u2014that I want to remember, \u2018Lord, I want a <em>poured<\/em>-out life.\u2019\u201d So, I had that little bucket sitting beside my kitchen sink to remind me: \u201cI don\u2019t my life with lots of bucket lists. I want, when I get to the end of my life, that I have poured that bucket right empty.\u201d Actually, when I got home, I pulled the price tag off the bottom of that little bucket\u2014it was made in China. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Of course.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>For some inexplicable reason, engraved in the bottom of this little two-to-three-inch little bucket is the word, \u201cendurance.\u201d I thought, \u201cOh, that\u2019s so like You, Jesus.\u201d Jesus <em>endured<\/em> the cross for the joy set before Him; but as we live our lives <em>poured<\/em> out, that\u2019s going to require endurance. The only way to live that life that\u2019s broken and given \/ that life of generosity\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that life of taking all that grace that we\u2019ve been given and now passing it on\u2014is a life of endurance, that we only find when we keep our eyes on the cross.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Let me read to you Paul\u2019s bucket list.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong><em>Yes<\/em>; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is what he boasts about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong><em>Yes<\/em>; yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He says: \u201cSince many boast according to the flesh, I too will boast. Five times I received at the hands of the Jews 40 lashes, less one. Three times I was beaten with the rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, a night and a day I was adrift at sea, on frequent journeys in dangers from rivers, dangers from robbers, dangers from my own people, dangers from the Gentiles, danger in the city, danger in the wilderness, danger at sea, danger from false brothers;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s a dangerous bucket; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cin toil and hardship, through many a sleepless night, in hunger and thirst, often without food, in cold and exposure. And apart from other things, there\u2019s the daily pressure of my anxiety with all my churches.\u201d There\u2019s his bucket list.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>But why does Paul choose to live a life like that?\u2014<em>why<\/em>?\u2014because Jesus is his ultimate treasure! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think our <em>whole<\/em> culture tells us to avoid suffering\u2014numb ourselves out from suffering \/ <em>escape<\/em> suffering. Jesus says: \u201cNo; come and live the broken way. Come and live a life that\u2019s not afraid of broken things, because I\u2019m <em>redeeming<\/em> everything.\u201d In the midst of those broken places, Christ becomes your ultimate <em>treasure<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, one of the things that I was thinking, as you were talking about all of this, is: \u201cWhy is it so hard to remember what we have in Christ, what He has given, what He has done for us?\u2014just even to remember that He is present with us.\u201d I find myself, walking around a lot recently, saying: \u201cThank You that You are with me. Thank You that You never leave me,\u201d in all kinds of different situations.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve known that in my head for decades; but to remind myself so that I\u2019m remembering it\u2014so that it\u2019s not just facts in my brain\u2014but it\u2019s a <em>practical<\/em> sort of an experience as I walk down the hall or as I drive the car: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cThank You that You\u2019re with me, here in this moment, and You\u2019ll never leave me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou talk about how prone we are to forgetting, which reminded me of Psalm 106; isn\u2019t that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>He repeats over and over again, \u201cBut they forgot God,\u201d \u201cThey forgot His wonders.\u201d That\u2019s so like all of us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes. I write in <em>The Broken Way<\/em>, \u201cI wonder if all the <em>bad<\/em> brokenness in the world begins with the act of forgetting\u2014forgetting that God is enough, forgetting that what He gives is good enough, forgetting there\u2019s <em>always<\/em> more than enough, that we can live into an intimate communion\u2014and that, ultimately, forgetting is akin to fear.\u201d I think so much of our fear happens because we <em>forget<\/em> who God <em>is<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014and remembering heals brokenness. That is why we\u2019re called the \u201cremembering people.\u201d You see that all through the Old Testament\u2014the Israelites, again, were called over and over and over again\u2014they remember who God is and what God has done for them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, can we be the remembering people?\u2014remembering the heart of God for us, remembering the cross and the communion and the crucifixion, remembering <em>koinonia<\/em> \/ the fellowship we have with Christ, remembering to be broken and given into the world so Jesus can re-member \/ put together our broken hearts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>But we suffer from what I call spiritual amnesia.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>I am a woman of chronic soul amnesia! I say it <em>all the time<\/em>, Dennis! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; but in your book, you call it something else\u2014you call it \u201cGod Alzheimer\u2019s.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>It is! It is God Alzheimer\u2019s: I <em>forget<\/em> who God is; I forget His character; I forget His heart of goodness towards me. When I forget who He <em>is<\/em>, I forget who I <em>am<\/em> in Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>And once we forget who we are in Him, that\u2019s when our lives start to unravel on the edges and sort of implode.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, then, we\u2019re prone to everything.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes; everything.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>You mentioned fear a minute ago. I think that\u2019s one of the big ones\u2014that was the first emotion Adam and Eve felt when they sinned\u2014was fear. They were afraid; so they hid. I think that\u2019s the foundation of all our brokenness\u2014is when we\u2019re afraid.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis, I remember we talked about this a lot when we were newlyweds. We realized how much <em>fear<\/em> we brought into our marriage, and it\u2019s so easy to hang onto that and to want to hide from one another.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>But when we remember who God is and what He has done for us, then fear is put in its proper place; then we can be transparent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What do you have engraved in your wedding band?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Oh; \u201cPerfect love casts out all fear.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes; I think, for us to become remembering people, we need to be really intentional. That may mean writing out a Bible verse\u2014and I\u2019m going to stick that beside the sink, or on the mirror, the steering wheel\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes; whatever it takes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014whatever it takes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, a really profound season in my life\u2014I write about it in <em>The Broken Way<\/em>\u2014is: \u201cHave you memorized your identity in Christ?\u2014that you can remember that over and over and recount it to yourself?\u201d Like David, we often, \u201cO my soul, why are you so downcast within me?\u201d We need to preach gospel back to ourselves, day in and day out; and that takes intentionality to be the remembering people, because it\u2019s too easy to fall into God\u2019s Alzheimer\u2019s throughout the day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think to remember, in the midst of my brokenness, my true identity is all summed up in that cross.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Martin Luther said, \u201cEvery week I preach the gospel because every week I forget it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That\u2019s right! It constantly comes back to forgetting; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s true. And Martyn Lloyd-Jones talked about this importance of not listening to yourself but preaching to yourself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Exactly; talk to yourself more than you listen to yourself; exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and take your own counsel at that point.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt struck me, as I was reading your book\u2014in fact, Barbara pointed this out\u2014she said, \u201cI think we need to ask Ann for her definition of the word, \u2018brokenness.\u2019\u201d It\u2019s a word we throw around within the community of faith, but I wonder sometimes if it\u2019s not kind of a catch-all and doesn\u2019t really have the depth that it ought to have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes; I really believe that all ancient truths are paradoxical \/ they have two sides to them. I think, when you look at brokenness, there is detrimental brokenness, which is sin, which is anything that is going ahead and harming human flourishing\u2014that is brokenness that God never intended. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen there\u2019s also deeply beneficial brokenness that we see throughout Scripture\u2014the brokenness of humility, the brokenness of a repentant heart, the brokenness of living broken and given, like bread, out into the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think\u2014to really understand that there is <em>bad<\/em> brokenness in the world; and then there is really <em>good<\/em> brokenness that comes through that humility, that vulnerability, that generosity. Ultimately, <em>good<\/em> brokenness breaks <em>bad<\/em> brokenness in the world. So: \u201cCan I live a life that\u2019s cruciform?\u2014that\u2019s shaped like a cross?\u2014that literally is embracing humility, vulnerability, and generosity?\u201d That breaks the bad brokenness in the world; because you\u2019re living cross-shaped \/ you\u2019re living a Christ-shaped life that brings people to what they ultimately want\u2014which is that intimacy \/ which is that communion with Christ and with each other.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We\u2019re back to the bucket again; [Laughter] because, in your book, you said, \u201cThe way to life is pouring out your brokenness.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>It is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI didn\u2019t realize, when I started this journey, which was very\u2014\u201cThank You, Lord,\u201d \/ very humbling\u2014I still was thinking, \u201cI go ahead and I can give during the day to all kinds of people in different ways, but was I really willing to share my broken-<em>heartedness<\/em> with people?\u201d When you share your <em>brokenness<\/em> with people\u2014I talk about, in the book, our 14-year-old son, Malachi, who\u2019s diagnosed with Type I diabetes\u2014reaching out and being really transparent about how that totally shook up our world. Sharing my brokenness with someone else\u2014she said: \u201cYou know what? You have given to me in a million ways, Ann; but this is the most I\u2019ve ever felt close to you, because now you\u2019re giving me your brokenness.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, so often, we think, \u201cI could be generous in so many ways to somebody,\u201d but \u201cWill I choose the broken way of humility and vulnerability and be generous with my <em>brokenness<\/em> to someone?\u201d\u2014that can bring you closer than anything else.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Ann, you touched on this; but you make an important point about brokenness that results in humility\u2014where you admit who you are, and you acknowledge who God is and that you\u2019re not God\u2014that He is\u2014that He has forgiven us, and He can heal our wounds, and turn those wounds into holy scars.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou say that the word, \u201crepent,\u201d is really a key word for a believer today in dealing with your brokenness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes; yes. I think of\u2014we bring repentance to the cross at our initial meeting of Christ; and then, after that, we are not a people of repentance, repenting on a continual basis. Martin Luther says that repentance should be the <em>constant<\/em> posture of the Christian\u2019s life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, in lots of ways, dysfunctionality in relationships comes from a lack of repentance. Dysfunctionality in churches comes from a lack of repentance. If we can have short accounts with each other\u2014if we can confess to each other our own brokenness, our own sinfulness, our own shortcomings with each other and in the church\u2014that\u2019s where <em>healthiness<\/em> comes from. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we can go ahead\u2014just like you said earlier, Bob\u2014we go ahead and we turn the lights on in places\u2014and it\u2019s, living in a posture of repentance, brings us back to the cross. Actually, I sat down, and during the course of a week, picked up a journal and a pen and wrote out <em>all<\/em> the things I wanted to repent of\u2014not just in the last week\u2014but over the course of my life. I cannot begin to tell you what a <em>healing<\/em> process that is\u2014to <em>really<\/em> be intentional \/ not just, \u201cI\u2019m sorry, Lord, for the things that I did wrong this week,\u201d\u2014but to really start to think through all the people that you have sinned against, all the ways that you\u2019ve sinned against the Lord, all of the shortcomings in your own life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you actually are intentional about repentance, you love Jesus in a way that is <em>much<\/em> deeper and more profoundly life-changing than when it\u2019s just sort of a blanket repentance in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And can we just say, here, that repentance is beyond confession?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s one thing to confess, which is to agree with God that what He said is wrong; you\u2019re saying, \u201cI agree; You are right \/ I was wrong,\u201d but repenting is saying, \u201cI will now go in a different direction. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes; \u201cI will turn.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cI will turn.\u201d A friend of mine shared this with me, years ago; and this was one of those paradigm shift moments in my own spiritual journey. He said, \u201cAs Christians, we need to, not only repent daily, but we need to rebelieve the gospel daily.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>When you live a life of constant repentance\u2014not that you need to get saved again \/ Jesus holds onto you and never lets go of you\u2014but then the gospel becomes, not something that was the ABCs of the faith, the gospel becomes your <em>everyday<\/em> complete <em>joy<\/em> that you can\u2019t wait to share with other people; because you know you need it <em>daily<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>That reminds me of a time in our family\u2014because I think about how this applies with our kids. You and I talked about this earlier, about how we make so many mistakes, as parents, with our children. Dennis and I had a really good habit of apologizing to our kids when we did things wrong, which was very, very frequent\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014we were apologizing multiple times throughout the day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I think there was a mindset that I had, for a time, that: \u201cEverybody makes mistakes. These are just mistakes. I have to apologize when I make a mistake.\u201d But <em>repentance<\/em> means you come before Christ and you admit your depravity \/ you admit that you have <em>nothing<\/em> on your own. I came to a place, with our kids, when I did that; because I realized it wasn\u2019t just that I was a failure at times \/ it wasn\u2019t just that I had made mistakes; it\u2019s that I was inherently broken. I was inherently flawed, and I did not have the ability in me, at all, to be the kind of mother that my children needed \/ that I wanted to be for my children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe only hope I had of becoming that kind of mother was to really be humble, and to repent, and allow Him to do the changing that is needed. I actually did what you did\u2014made this long list of things that I needed to repent of and to come clean of. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd it really was transformational to me, as well, to recognize that\u2014that heart-level depravity\u2014because it\u2019s so easy to think we can cover it up, and we can look okay on the outside; and we deceive ourselves into thinking we\u2019re okay when we\u2019re not okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And to grieve the impact it\u2019s had on those you\u2019ve hurt\u2014I watched Barbara do this \/ she\u2019s watched me do it as well\u2014is to express a sorrow \/ a genuine, heartfelt sorrow for how you\u2019ve wounded people because of your brokenness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes; and then, don\u2019t stay in that place. Jesus meets us and He washes those wounds with <em>grace<\/em>: \u201cShe who knows she has sinned much loves much.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>And when you\u2019ve written down all the things\u2014you love Jesus in a <em>very<\/em> intimate, passionate way\u2014you say: \u201cHere\u2019s my life, Lord. I want to live cruciform \/ completely given to You; because You gave <em>everything<\/em> for me to redeem me from my brokenness.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLooking back at mama\u2019s life\u2014she\u2019s always lived it over and over again\u2014she has said it; and the kids say it now too: \u201cIt\u2019s not that you\u2019re not going to get it wrong; it\u2019s what you do with it afterwards.\u201d If you can always come with humility, with that broken-way attitude of repentance, there can be <em>redemption<\/em> in relationship. It\u2019s not that you have to get it right every time; what will you do with it afterwards? If you can go ahead and choose repentance, God can <em>redeem<\/em> relationships in those spaces.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, I\u2019m thinking to a message that the three of us heard, almost 25 years ago now, when Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth spoke on the subject of brokenness at a gathering of Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> staff back in 1993. The thing that stood out to me\u2014she talked about a wild horse and used the term, \u201cYou break a horse.\u201d She said: \u201cWhen a horse is broken, the horse is now ridable. The horse is now under the control of the rider \/ the master, not doing its own thing, but is responding now to the direction of the master.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s who we want to be; right? Brokenness is a good thing that we should not shy away from but embrace.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>Yes; ultimately, you come to the place of realizing that living a broken and given life, ultimately, is embodied in that word, \u201csurrender.\u201d I guess I\u2019ve come to realize one of the most words is \u201cgave.\u201d\u00a0 \u201cFor God so loved the world\u201d\u2014what did He do?\u2014\u201c\u2026He <em>gave<\/em>...\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>One Thousand Gifts<\/em> was about me <em>giving<\/em> thanks; and \u201cNow, how do I live the broken way, being broken and given?\u201d Given really is about living a completely surrendered life: \u201cHere I am, Lord. All the grace that You\u2019ve given to me, now go ahead and use it. Let me be a gift back out into the world. Let me live a given life. And also, let me just live completely surrendered and given to You. Use me however You will, Lord.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We\u2019re back to the bucket again\u2014[Laughter]\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>That\u2019s why I have it sitting beside the sink, Dennis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014pouring out your life \/ giving it away. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, you quoted\u2014I forget who it was\u2014but you quoted an author who talked about us being small, little Jesus Christs. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>It\u2019s C.S. Lewis; yes. We\u2019re called to be little Christs everywhere that we go. Culture would have you believe that you need to consume things to have a fulfilling life\u2014that you need to literally fill yourself up\u2014when Christ says the exact opposite. Take that bucket and pour yourself out, and you will find yourself filled up with a far deeper, greater joy. Be that little Christ, which is, really, \u201cHow can I live like a cross, cruciform, day in and day out?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI ended up taking a pen\u2014the same pen that I wrote out a thousand things I was grateful for\u2014and writing a cross on my wrist over the top of the scars, where I had cut myself. Not only am I saying, \u201cThis is my new identity,\u201d\u2014my identity is fully in Christ, but this is also\u2014\u201cI want this to be the shape and form of my days\u2014cruciform \/ shaped like a cross\u2014day in and day out.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And those scars, now\u2014because of the cross that has \/ that has invaded your soul\u2014those scars are <em>holy scars<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong><em>Holy scars<\/em> now \/ holy scars\u2014completely redeemed. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd in Christ, now, I get to go ahead and press His scars into other scarred people\u2019s lives, to say: \u201cYou know what? Jesus is a wounded Healer. He redeems all of this.\u201d I think I realized: \u201cDo not be afraid of broken things. Christ is <em>redeeming<\/em> everything. He\u2019s redeeming those scarred places that you think, \u2018Nothing good can come out of this.\u2019 God will go ahead and redeem it and write a story that you can\u2019t even imagine, yourself.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And if you wonder what to do with those broken places\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ann: <\/strong>\u2014go find someone else who is broken in the same kind of ways! Come alongside that person and say: \u201cI\u2019m going to live a life of compassion, co-suffering with you. I\u2019m going to just live a life of generosity, being broken and given.\u201d Be the gift to <em>that<\/em> person in the midst of <em>their<\/em> brokenness, because you understand that brokenness like no one else can!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And get a copy of <em>The Broken Way<\/em> and study it\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014might help you on that journey; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; study it together and create a common vocabulary around the gospel of Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; and of course, we have copies of the book, <em>The Broken Way<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. It\u2019s easy to go online to order\u2014FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get your copy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, the website\u2014FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014the title of the book is <em>The Broken Way<\/em> by Ann Voskamp, <em>A Daring Path into the Abundant Life<\/em>. You can also order by calling 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, as most of you know, the month of December is a key month for ministries like ours; because a lot of our listeners, who listen all year long, make the month of December the month where they pitch in and help make <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>possible. In fact, what happens in December, for a ministry like ours, really determines what the next year is going to look like and how effective our ministry can be in the coming 12 months.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd that\u2019s why we want to ask you: \u201cIf God\u2019s used the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> in your life this year, would you make a yearend contribution and help expand the reach of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, help us reach more people in 2018?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve had some friends of the ministry, who have come along, and said they\u2019d like to see that happen. In fact, they\u2019ve agreed to match every donation we receive this month, dollar for dollar. Our friend, Michelle Hill, is keeping track of what\u2019s going on with our matching-gift fund. She is here with an update. Hi, Michelle!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michelle: <\/strong>Hey Bob! I <strong><em>am<\/em><\/strong> tracking and today\u2019s number is up a little from yesterday\u2026you remember we were at a hundred thirty five thousand yesterday\u2026well as of today we\u2019re at one hundred forty seven thousand five hundred forty one dollars toward the two million dollar match\u2026so things<strong><em> have<\/em><\/strong> slowed down a little\u2026which makes this a great moment for listeners to jump in and keep things moving in the right direction! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Sounds good! And if folks would like to take part in the matching-gift challenge, they can go, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com to donate; or they can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. Or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to talk about the cure for anxiety and depression. What happens when you feel anxious or you get depressed, and what does God\u2019s Word have to say about the broken way out of that? Ann Voskamp\u2019s going to be back with us tomorrow. I hope you can be back with us as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. 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