{"id":304778,"date":"2017-11-24T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2017-11-24T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-real-first-thanksgiving\/"},"modified":"2017-11-24T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2017-11-24T17:00:00","slug":"the-real-first-thanksgiving","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-real-first-thanksgiving\/","title":{"rendered":"The Real First Thanksgiving"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>guest: Barbara Rainey, Tracy McKenzie | Series: The First Thanksgiving | It&#8217;s Plymouth, Massachusetts, and the Thanksgiving celebration is about to begin. Pilgrims adorned in black hats and buckles are sitting down to a bountiful feast with their new friends, the Wampanoag Indians. Before them is a table decked with turkeys, cranberry sauce, and pumpkin pie&#8230; This is the Thanksgiving we all imagine, but is this what really happened? Barbara Rainey and history professor Tracy McKenzie take us on a fascinating journey through history to shed light on the real first Thanksgiving and the intriguing people we call the Pilgrims.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>History professor Tracy McKenzie and Barbara Rainey take us on a fascinating journey through history to shed light on the real first Thanksgiving and the intriguing people we call the Pilgrims.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2017-11-24.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:27:28","filesize":"25.15M","filesize_raw":"26367279","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2850,2823],"tags":[4858,5494,4792],"podcast_series":[8044],"cwp_profile":[3052,9365],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-304778","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-character-development","category-thanksgiving","tag-pilgrims","tag-puritans","tag-thanksgiving","podcast_series-the-first-thanksgiving","cwp_profile-barbara-rainey","cwp_profile-tracy-mckenzie","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/304778\/the-real-first-thanksgiving","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/304778\/the-real-first-thanksgiving","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"K3eQfVreYJ\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-real-first-thanksgiving\/\">The Real First Thanksgiving<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-real-first-thanksgiving\/embed\/#?secret=K3eQfVreYJ\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;The Real First Thanksgiving&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"K3eQfVreYJ\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Here is Professor Tracy McKenzie. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>The Pilgrims actually believed that the Scripture authorized irregular kinds of holy days\u2014either of humiliation and fasting in a moment of great crisis or thanksgiving in a moment of celebration of God\u2019s provision. What they called, actually, a thanksgiving holy day would not have involved games \/ it would not have involved a lot of celebration. It would have been a very solemn kind of church gathering. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, November 24<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We just celebrated Thanksgiving. There are a lot of things you don\u2019t know about the very first Thanksgiving\u2014and maybe some things you think you know that aren\u2019t really so. We\u2019ll talk more today about the holiday we just celebrated.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tStay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Friday edition. I want you to complete this sentence: \u201cThanksgiving dinner would not be Thanksgiving dinner without turkey and\u2026\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, traditionally\u2014here in America\u2014you\u2019ve got to say, \u201c\u2026football.\u201d\u00a0 I mean\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>See, I\u2019m still at the table\u2014I\u2019m still thinking, \u201c\u2026food.\u201d [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014\u201c\u2026food.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019re going right to\u2014I was thinking pecan pie or pumpkin pie. See, I\u2019ve never liked pumpkin pie. So, it was always pecan pie at our house. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Let\u2019s ask Barbara. How would you have finished the sentence?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cTurkey and\u2026\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>\u2014\u201c\u2026dressing.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; see\u2014we did mashed potatoes instead of dressing because I never liked\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>That\u2019s more northern\u2014it\u2019s the southern thing to do the cornbread dressing\u2014and, because my mother is southern, that\u2019s what we had. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019m just wondering if the Pilgrims had any of this stuff when they had the first Thanksgiving\u2014you know, if they had stuffing or\u2014I know they didn\u2019t have football. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I don\u2019t think they did\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Let\u2019s ask\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>\u2014not like we think of it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Let\u2019s ask our guest professor\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014who joins us, here, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDr. Tracy McKenzie joins us again. Welcome back, Tracy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Glad to be here, Dennis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He is Professor and Chair of the Department of History at Wheaton College, and he and his wife live north of Chicago. He is an expert\u2014he has written this book called <em>The First Thanksgiving<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In fact, you can get a half credit for listening to today\u2019s program. [Laughter] You just write to me, and I\u2019ll go ahead and send you the papers; okay?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; I think they need to get that. And some of the kids are going to ask for it, Bob, before it\u2019s over\u2014I promise you. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, let\u2019s go to the first Thanksgiving because you\u2019ve done some research on this. You\u2019ve kind of blown away some of the mythology around that first Thanksgiving that the Pilgrims celebrated there in Massachusetts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Sure, Dennis. Well, I hope I don\u2019t disillusion too many of your listeners\u2014burst too many bubbles. The reality is\u2014we don\u2019t have a lot of evidence \/ historical evidence that allows us to speak very specifically about what the event might have looked like, but we can piece together a decent sense. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reality is\u2014I hate to say it\u2014a lot of what we remember as being present there, historically, was not possible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll start with the pies. The reason I\u2019m pretty sure they didn\u2019t have pies is that they didn\u2019t have any ovens at the time. [Laughter] They didn\u2019t have sugar \/ they didn\u2019t have flour; so, they couldn\u2019t have made pie crusts. They probably didn\u2019t have cranberry sauce. They could have had cranberries, if they liked them without sugar, I suppose\u2014but that\u2019s not very attractive to most of us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>What we always tend to remember\u2014you started out with this, Bob\u2014is turkey. And the reality is\u2014the 115 words that have survived, describing the event, doesn\u2019t ever use the word explicitly, \u201cturkey.\u201d\u00a0 We\u2019re told that\u2014at the end of the harvest\u2014that the governor of Plymouth, William Bradford, sent some men out on \u201cfowling.\u201d So, they were out hunting for game birds. It\u2019s <em>possible<\/em> that that included turkey\u2014certainly, there were turkeys in the area\u2014but there are visitors to the area that describe the turkeys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, Dennis\u2014you\u2019re a hunter\u2014so maybe you can appreciate this. These turkeys are rangy, and they are <em>fast<\/em>, and we have to keep in mind that the kinds of weapons that the Pilgrims used weren\u2019t really meant to bring down fast-moving birds. In fact, they used what were known as matchlock muskets. These were <em>very<\/em> long, <em>very<\/em> heavy guns that you fired by lighting a fuse\u2014if you can believe that\u2014until it sets off the charge. The way that they were used was\u2014they were set upon a tripod. You would wait for something to come in front of your field of fire and blow away. [Laughter] Well, you\u2019re not bringing down rangy, really fast-moving wild turkeys that way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Dennis can\u2019t bring them down with modern guns. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s almost certain that what they were hunting were birds that would have settled on the various ponds in the area\u2014they would congregate \/ they would have hidden in a blind\u2014and they just would have shot them\u2014not quite as sporting but much more effective. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Is that ducks and geese?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>They were having ducks and geese \/ they would have cranes and herons. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reality is\u2014we know that in the 17<sup>th<\/sup> century, in England, at least\u2014swan was considered a delicacy. So, they very well could have had swans, in addition to the ducks and geese, and so on\u2014so some kind of game birds. They also, we know, had a lot of food out of the sea\u2014clams and mussels\u2014lobsters even. But basically, as a meal, it would have been heavy on meat \/ light on vegetables, and dessert would have been non-existent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Any mashed potatoes?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>No mashed potatoes. [Laughter]\u00a0 Sometimes\u2014in my home, it was sweet potatoes, growing up. Sweet potatoes were not native to the area. So, they would not have had any kind of potatoes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>But there was this harvest celebration\u2014this community meal that was a big feast to celebrate the bringing in of the harvest?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Absolutely; and that\u2019s very clear. The governor basically says: \u201cThe harvest is in. We\u2019ve worked hard. It appears that we have a harvest that will carry us through to the next year. So, let\u2019s celebrate.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What about the relationship with the natives?\u00a0 Did they have a good relationship, and did they invite Squanto?\u2014and, you know, I don\u2019t remember the rest of the names. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did they all come over for Thanksgiving?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Good questions. Just in terms of context\u2014really quickly\u2014there is a pretty significant Native American presence in the area. That area had been devastated, however, by disease\u2014sometime \/ maybe as late as even 1616\/1617\u2014so the populations had been <em>very<\/em> much depleted. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere were a number of tribes in the area, and the one that was closest was a tribe called the Wampanoag. The Wampanoag\u2014its chief was Massasoit. We know, from another Pilgrim writer, that Massasoit and 90 male members of his tribe were present. The way that we tend to remember the first Thanksgiving is that the Pilgrims invited them\u2014they were wanting to celebrate, with the native peoples, the harvest. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reality is\u2014the letter that tells us about this event doesn\u2019t say that they were invited\u2014which it\u2019s just ambiguous\u2014they may have shown up. The reason I mention this is because we know, from other writings, that the Wampanoag did very regularly stop by and did very regularly share a meal; but we don\u2019t know that they were invited. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I have neighbors like this! [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>I have as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne thing I would say is\u2014this is clear\u2014there were <em>many<\/em> more Native Americans at that event than there were Pilgrims\u2014at least on the order of two to one. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And there was a reason for that\u2014a number of them had died in the winter that preceded that feast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Absolutely. One hundred and two passengers on the <em>Mayflower<\/em>\u2014by the following spring, we are talking about fifty survivors. If you think about the Pilgrims, when they are gathering for this celebration, sometime in the fall\u2014we don\u2019t know exactly when\u2014here is what we\u2019ve seen\u2014of the 18 married couples that were passengers on the <em>Mayflower<\/em>, one or both members had died in 15 of the 18 families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat, to me, is just a <em>staggering<\/em> kind of statistic\u2014just to even stop for a moment and let that wash over us\u2014and then, to imagine that here is a people\u2014they\u2019re stopping to celebrate and to give thanks in the context of such great loss. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s just a\u2014it\u2019s a marvelous testimony to resilience and hope, I think. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>But it was a time for them to give thanks that was, indeed, a spiritual time of celebration before God?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>It was <em>definitely<\/em> a spiritual time. I\u2019m going to be a little bit evasive, Dennis. For the Pilgrims, <em>every<\/em> moment was full of spiritual significance. They could not have conceived of giving thanks in some abstract, impersonal way. When they gave thanks, they were giving thanks to the Author of every good thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHaving said that, it wasn\u2019t necessarily a religious event\u2014and that\u2019s important, I guess, as a distinction to make. The Pilgrims actually believed that the Scripture authorized irregular kinds of holy days\u2014either of humiliation and fasting in a moment of great crisis or a thanksgiving in a moment of celebration of God\u2019s provision. But what they called, actually, a Thanksgiving <em>holy<\/em> day would not have involved games \/ it would not have involved a lot of celebration\u2014it would have been a very <em>solemn<\/em> kind of church gathering.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did they bring those big black hats with the silver buckles? [Laughter] Did they bring those on the <em>Mayflower <\/em>with them, because they couldn\u2019t buy them in the New World?!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Yes; that\u2019s a great question. You know, it\u2019s so funny our mind\u2019s eye conjures up these images of what the event might have looked like. You\u2019re exactly right\u2014big buckles and tall hats are the very first things that come to mind. The reality is\u2014I hate to say it\u2014but the image that we have is something that comes from the late 19<sup>th<\/sup> century. Buckles weren\u2019t even widely used in England or any part of the Western world at that time. I don\u2019t know where the tall hats come from\u2014the big lace collars. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe evidence that we have from inventories of their property suggests another myth. They didn\u2019t wear black all the time. William Bradford had a <em>red <\/em>coat and a purple cloak that he wore for certain occasions. So, let\u2019s imagine Bradford in purple and red. And others\u2014they have waistcoats \/ vests that are white, or blue, or whatever. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey actually used lots of bright colors.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Barbara talked about how she wanted to correct some of the politically-correct Thanksgiving that was being shared with her children in school. I\u2019m sure we have our own religiously-correct mythology that we bring to this holiday. What do you think are some of the common misconceptions that need to be corrected\u2014either from a secular standpoint, trying to take God out of Thanksgiving, or from a Christian perspective, trying to inject too much into it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Right; I would say that\u2014if I could sort of push back at our common understandings, the Pilgrims would not have called the event, in 1621, a Thanksgiving. They believed that this holiday\u2014or holy day of thanksgiving\u2014was supposed to be a response to God\u2019s <em>extraordinary<\/em> provision\u2014it\u2019s not something that you plan\u2014it\u2019s not something you mark on the calendar. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s something that you produce, sort of spontaneously, in response to God\u2019s <em>extraordinary<\/em> provision.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>The reality is\u2014I talk about this in the book\u2014the Pilgrims would have said that the first Thanksgiving in the future United States was not in 1621\u2014but was actually in 1623\u2014it\u2019s the Thanksgiving we\u2019ve <em>totally<\/em> forgotten about. I can sketch the context just really quickly. Part of the Pilgrims\u2019 story that we totally forget\u2014is that, within weeks of that celebration in 1621, the London financiers\u2014they\u2019re backing their undertaking\u2014send more settlers. They send 35 more settlers on the ship called the <em>Fortune<\/em>. What they do not send is any food or supplies. So, here are these more mouths to feed\u2014almost instantly, Governor William Bradford has to cut the rations for the colony in half. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNot only are their food supplies short, but in spring of 1623, a drought begins. As spring gives way to summer, rain does not fall. William Bradford talks about the earth parched and cracked. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe corn in the fields is withering and almost dying\u2014and they are looking absolute starvation square in the face. Sometime\u2014we have to sort of make some inferences\u2014but around July of 1623, Governor Bradford said: \u201cAlright; it\u2019s time for us to have a solemn holy day. It\u2019s going to be a day of humiliation and fasting, as we gather together, and we pray for God to deliver us from this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the other Pilgrims\u2014a younger man named Edward Winslow\u2014writes that they gather at the meeting house and they begin a day of solemn humiliation and fasting. It lasts for eight to nine hours\u2014in which they pray and sing, and listen to exhortation, and pray and sing. Winslow says that\u2014at the end of that gathering, they left the meeting house on a day that had not had a cloud in the sky\u2014and now, clouds are beginning to gather. In the morning, according to William Bradford, \u201cA sweet and gentle shower begins, that continues\u2014off and on\u2014for 14 days.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Winslow tells us that: \u201cAfter this day of humiliation and fasting, where we had beseeched the Lord\u2019s provision, collectively, it would have been the basest ingratitude not to acknowledge the Lord\u2019s goodness, collectively.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, the governor issues a proclamation for a day of Thanksgiving. They gather to praise the Lord for the showers that He had brought. From the Pilgrim perspective, their first true <em>holy day<\/em> of Thanksgiving would have been summer of 1623. It\u2019s a part of the story that we just totally have lost sight of. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; I have my wife to thank for being the resident historian\u2014you know, filling the Chair and Professor at the Rainey household as the kids were growing up\u2014because she brought our family <em>near<\/em> these events that the Pilgrims celebrated and called our family just to pause and to reflect back on the year of how God had been faithful and how He had provided for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>In one of the stories that I always read was that story about fasting and praying for rain because it was such a dramatic crisis moment for them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI wanted our kids to know that story. I wanted them to see that, when their backs were against the wall, so to speak, that the Pilgrims\u2014their response was to get on their faces before the Lord\u2014and not just utter a quick prayer and move on\u2014but they really, really prayed in a way that most of us don\u2019t do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOut of that, then, we would read that story. Then, at the end of our telling of the Pilgrims\u2019 story, we all would go around the table and share things that we were grateful for as a way to give back to God\u2014to honor Him and to give thanks to Him for the things that He had done in our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is what gave birth to the \u201cWritten and Remembered\u201d resource that you designed that is a part of the Ever Thine Home<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> collection, where you take kids into this discipline of stopping, cataloguing, writing down the things you are thankful for; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, it so easy to forget. We live in such a fast-paced world. If we don\u2019t pull back and stop and realize\u2014as you have said several times, Tracy\u2014that \u201cEvery good and perfect gift comes from God.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have to help our kids understand that. The way we do it is to corral them and usher them into a time of quiet, and thinking\/meditating, and saying: \u201cWhat are we thankful for?\u00a0 What has God done?\u00a0 What do we need to give Him thanks for\u2014that He has done that we must remember?\u201d I think that example that the Pilgrims gave us is very profound. It\u2019s good for <em>all<\/em> of our souls to be connected with that model that they left us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Tracy, one of the things Barbara would do is\u2014out of that 1623 story that you just relived for us\u2014she\u2019d pass out a five-by-seven card with a pen for each child to write their name at the top\u2014if they were old enough to write\u2014and to write up there the year\u2014which, I think we started somewhere in the \u201880s. We\u2019d write down\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Late \u201880s. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cThanksgiving 1988\u201d and the child\u2019s name would be at the top.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey would list five points that they were thankful for, looking back over the year. I know it\u2019s an apocryphal story\u2014but on each plate would be five kernels of corn. Barbara has searched to find that, somehow, this really did occur\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, now, wait\u2014maybe, you know. Can you verify the five kernel of corn story?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>No; I\u2019m sorry. I think Dennis is right. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>No; I couldn\u2019t either, which is why I say, \u201cLegend has it\u2026\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 But it\u2019s a fun legend that kids can really get into. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What she\u2019d do is\u2014she would pass a basket around and a child would put a kernel of corn\u2014because the legend was that they survived that winter on a very meager ration of corn on a daily basis\u2014and put a kernel of corn in the basket and then read the first thing they are thankful for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s interesting, Tracy\u2014to your point about revisiting how God providentially provides for us\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014those cards have become a record \/ a historic record of God\u2019s work in our family on an annual basis\u2014it\u2019s priceless!\u00a0 A lot of the things are insignificant, but a lot of the things aren\u2019t; and we\u2019d forget them if we didn\u2019t have them written down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, if you ever decide to do a book on the Rainey\u2019s, the artifacts are there for you to look at. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just curious about names\u2014I can\u2019t even\u2014all I can remember is\u2014elementary school, I heard something about Squanto.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> Squanto\u2019s story is complex\u2014it\u2019s also amazing. He actually was a member of a Native American tribe called the Patuxet. The Patuxet had had a thriving settlement in the location where Plymouth would eventually be built, perhaps with the population numbering in the few thousands. Then the Patuxets were hit by an epidemic\u2014we\u2019re not entirely sure what; maybe viral hepatitis\u2014sometime in the late 16-teens and <em>completely<\/em> wiped out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSquanto was not affected because he actually had been kidnapped by an English sea captain sometime before that\u2014taken to Spain \/ liberated\u2014made it to England\u2014became a\u2014sort of a house servant for someone there\u2014eventually, got passage back to New England. He comes to where Plymouth is and finds out there\u2019s not a single member of his tribe left and he, in fact, is taken prisoner by the Wampanoag. Squanto, actually, is in a very sort of tenuis situation. What makes him very <em>valuable<\/em>\u2014to both the Wampanoag and to the Pilgrims\u2014he\u2019s the person who can speak between them really. He serves that crucial role as a kind of translator.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Barbara\u2019s wondering if the radio station will let us cancel the rest of the programs today so that we can just keep talking\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014just keep talking.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014about this. You\u2019d kind of just like to go on and on with this; wouldn\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes! I mean, yes; because all those stories I know\u2014because I got <em>all<\/em> those books, when I was writing mine, and read Bradford\u2019s story, and read Morton\u2019s relations, and read all of those things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s remarkable that we have what we have actually, I think.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Tracy, do you rehearse this story with your family on Thanksgiving or do they go: \u201cOh Dad, please! Not\u2014not another Thanksgiving lecture!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> I can guarantee you my family has heard more than their share about Pilgrims these last few years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You did say, though, that in writing the book, you had reflected back on how you wished you\u2019d have been more intentional\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> Absolutely! The thing I think that I would do differently\u2014if we could sort of rewind the reel and do it over\u2014is I would look for ways, not only to celebrate the regular Thanksgiving events\u2014certainly, promoting the kind of gratitude that Barbara was talking about\u2014but the other aspect of the Pilgrim\u2019s example is this idea that we <em>perpetually<\/em> be looking for the hand of God in the circumstances of our lives. When we see God act in a kind of extraordinary way to meet a particular need, we don\u2019t have to wait until the last Thursday in November.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think what I would do differently, if I had small children in my home\u2014is, if I saw some extraordinary deliverance \/ kindness of God in our family, I would issue a proclamation. I would say, \u201cWe\u2019re going to have a Thanksgiving to acknowledge the goodness of God,\u201d so that my children actually would say, \u201cYou never <em>know<\/em> when it\u2019s going to happen\u2014when might the next occasion be when we have this sort of celebration of God\u2019s goodness.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Maybe when the turkeys go on sale here, you just buy four or five of them and put them in the freezer. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Keep in the freezer\u2014there you go!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Every time there is a remarkable providence of God, you say: \u201cThaw a turkey. We\u2019re having\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No, Bob; you need to go hunting, Bob. [Laughter] You need to get your own out there\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If I did that with you, I\u2019d <em>starve<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014not in the marketplace. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, as you were talking, Tracy, I thought about Ephesians, Chapter 3, verse 20, speaking of the providence of God\u2014how He provides. Paul closes his prayer for spiritual strength with the following statement, \u201cNow to Him who is able to do far more abundantly than all that we can ask or think, according to the power at work within us, to Him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Amen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There has to be a listener, right now, who needs to claim that verse\u2014Ephesians 3:20 and 21\u2014who is facing the need for the provision of God. There has to be other listeners, who have taken for granted those provisions and who need to build an island\u2014just a moment of celebration and do what Barbara did around the table\u2014and just call the family together and say, \u201cLet\u2019s stop griping and complaining about what\u2019s not working in our country, and give thanks to Almighty God for His goodness in our lives.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTracy, I just\u2014I want to thank you for coming. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re going to ask Swindoll and some of the others to move over\u2014we\u2019re just going to let it run, right now, and just let you keep talking so that we can keep the lecture going. [Laughter] I think you\u2019ve read Barbara\u2019s mind, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; we are getting the high sign that we\u2019ve got to cut things off though. So, let me let our listeners know\u2014you can get a copy of Dr. McKenzie\u2019s book, <em>The First Thanksgiving: What the Real Story Tells Us About Loving God and Learning from History<\/em>. It\u2019s a <em>great<\/em> book. I know the holiday has past, but I\u2019ve got to tell you\u2014if it was back in the day when we were homeschooling our kids\u2014homeschool parents, get a copy of this book and keep it around for next year and make it a part of the curriculum as you head into November next year. Or, if you\u2019re not a homeschool parent, give your high school son or daughter a copy of this book and get a book report from them. You might have to pay 20 bucks, but it\u2019s worth doing it. Again, the book is called, <em>The First Thanksgiving: What the Real Story Tells Us About Loving God and Learning from History<\/em>. You can find out more about the book, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can order from our website as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, all that we do, here, at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014we couldn\u2019t do it if it weren\u2019t for you\u2014those of you who are regular listeners\u2014we\u2019re grateful that you tune in. We always love hearing from you\u2014we love feedback on the program. We\u2019re also grateful for those of you who go beyond listening and have become a part of the mission of FamilyLife<em>.<\/em> Our goal is to effectively develop godly marriages and families. We believe godly marriages and families can change the world, one home at a time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you donate to this ministry, you help us expand the reach\u2014you help us provide practical biblical help and hope to more marriages and more families more often. 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I want you to complete this sentence: \u201cThanksgiving dinner would not be Thanksgiving dinner without turkey and\u2026\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, traditionally\u2014here in America\u2014you\u2019ve got to say, \u201c\u2026football.\u201d\u00a0 I mean\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>See, I\u2019m still at the table\u2014I\u2019m still thinking, \u201c\u2026food.\u201d [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014\u201c\u2026food.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019re going right to\u2014I was thinking pecan pie or pumpkin pie. See, I\u2019ve never liked pumpkin pie. So, it was always pecan pie at our house. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Let\u2019s ask Barbara. How would you have finished the sentence?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cTurkey and\u2026\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>\u2014\u201c\u2026dressing.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; see\u2014we did mashed potatoes instead of dressing because I never liked\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>That\u2019s more northern\u2014it\u2019s the southern thing to do the cornbread dressing\u2014and, because my mother is southern, that\u2019s what we had. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019m just wondering if the Pilgrims had any of this stuff when they had the first Thanksgiving\u2014you know, if they had stuffing or\u2014I know they didn\u2019t have football. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I don\u2019t think they did\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Let\u2019s ask\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>\u2014not like we think of it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Let\u2019s ask our guest professor\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014who joins us, here, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDr. Tracy McKenzie joins us again. Welcome back, Tracy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Glad to be here, Dennis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He is Professor and Chair of the Department of History at Wheaton College, and he and his wife live north of Chicago. He is an expert\u2014he has written this book called <em>The First Thanksgiving<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In fact, you can get a half credit for listening to today\u2019s program. [Laughter] You just write to me, and I\u2019ll go ahead and send you the papers; okay?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; I think they need to get that. And some of the kids are going to ask for it, Bob, before it\u2019s over\u2014I promise you. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, let\u2019s go to the first Thanksgiving because you\u2019ve done some research on this. You\u2019ve kind of blown away some of the mythology around that first Thanksgiving that the Pilgrims celebrated there in Massachusetts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Sure, Dennis. Well, I hope I don\u2019t disillusion too many of your listeners\u2014burst too many bubbles. The reality is\u2014we don\u2019t have a lot of evidence \/ historical evidence that allows us to speak very specifically about what the event might have looked like, but we can piece together a decent sense. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reality is\u2014I hate to say it\u2014a lot of what we remember as being present there, historically, was not possible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll start with the pies. The reason I\u2019m pretty sure they didn\u2019t have pies is that they didn\u2019t have any ovens at the time. [Laughter] They didn\u2019t have sugar \/ they didn\u2019t have flour; so, they couldn\u2019t have made pie crusts. They probably didn\u2019t have cranberry sauce. They could have had cranberries, if they liked them without sugar, I suppose\u2014but that\u2019s not very attractive to most of us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>What we always tend to remember\u2014you started out with this, Bob\u2014is turkey. And the reality is\u2014the 115 words that have survived, describing the event, doesn\u2019t ever use the word explicitly, \u201cturkey.\u201d\u00a0 We\u2019re told that\u2014at the end of the harvest\u2014that the governor of Plymouth, William Bradford, sent some men out on \u201cfowling.\u201d So, they were out hunting for game birds. It\u2019s <em>possible<\/em> that that included turkey\u2014certainly, there were turkeys in the area\u2014but there are visitors to the area that describe the turkeys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, Dennis\u2014you\u2019re a hunter\u2014so maybe you can appreciate this. These turkeys are rangy, and they are <em>fast<\/em>, and we have to keep in mind that the kinds of weapons that the Pilgrims used weren\u2019t really meant to bring down fast-moving birds. In fact, they used what were known as matchlock muskets. These were <em>very<\/em> long, <em>very<\/em> heavy guns that you fired by lighting a fuse\u2014if you can believe that\u2014until it sets off the charge. The way that they were used was\u2014they were set upon a tripod. You would wait for something to come in front of your field of fire and blow away. [Laughter] Well, you\u2019re not bringing down rangy, really fast-moving wild turkeys that way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Dennis can\u2019t bring them down with modern guns. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s almost certain that what they were hunting were birds that would have settled on the various ponds in the area\u2014they would congregate \/ they would have hidden in a blind\u2014and they just would have shot them\u2014not quite as sporting but much more effective. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Is that ducks and geese?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>They were having ducks and geese \/ they would have cranes and herons. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reality is\u2014we know that in the 17<sup>th<\/sup> century, in England, at least\u2014swan was considered a delicacy. So, they very well could have had swans, in addition to the ducks and geese, and so on\u2014so some kind of game birds. They also, we know, had a lot of food out of the sea\u2014clams and mussels\u2014lobsters even. But basically, as a meal, it would have been heavy on meat \/ light on vegetables, and dessert would have been non-existent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Any mashed potatoes?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>No mashed potatoes. [Laughter]\u00a0 Sometimes\u2014in my home, it was sweet potatoes, growing up. Sweet potatoes were not native to the area. So, they would not have had any kind of potatoes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>But there was this harvest celebration\u2014this community meal that was a big feast to celebrate the bringing in of the harvest?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Absolutely; and that\u2019s very clear. The governor basically says: \u201cThe harvest is in. We\u2019ve worked hard. It appears that we have a harvest that will carry us through to the next year. So, let\u2019s celebrate.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What about the relationship with the natives?\u00a0 Did they have a good relationship, and did they invite Squanto?\u2014and, you know, I don\u2019t remember the rest of the names. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did they all come over for Thanksgiving?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Good questions. Just in terms of context\u2014really quickly\u2014there is a pretty significant Native American presence in the area. That area had been devastated, however, by disease\u2014sometime \/ maybe as late as even 1616\/1617\u2014so the populations had been <em>very<\/em> much depleted. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere were a number of tribes in the area, and the one that was closest was a tribe called the Wampanoag. The Wampanoag\u2014its chief was Massasoit. We know, from another Pilgrim writer, that Massasoit and 90 male members of his tribe were present. The way that we tend to remember the first Thanksgiving is that the Pilgrims invited them\u2014they were wanting to celebrate, with the native peoples, the harvest. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reality is\u2014the letter that tells us about this event doesn\u2019t say that they were invited\u2014which it\u2019s just ambiguous\u2014they may have shown up. The reason I mention this is because we know, from other writings, that the Wampanoag did very regularly stop by and did very regularly share a meal; but we don\u2019t know that they were invited. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I have neighbors like this! [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>I have as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne thing I would say is\u2014this is clear\u2014there were <em>many<\/em> more Native Americans at that event than there were Pilgrims\u2014at least on the order of two to one. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And there was a reason for that\u2014a number of them had died in the winter that preceded that feast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Absolutely. One hundred and two passengers on the <em>Mayflower<\/em>\u2014by the following spring, we are talking about fifty survivors. If you think about the Pilgrims, when they are gathering for this celebration, sometime in the fall\u2014we don\u2019t know exactly when\u2014here is what we\u2019ve seen\u2014of the 18 married couples that were passengers on the <em>Mayflower<\/em>, one or both members had died in 15 of the 18 families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat, to me, is just a <em>staggering<\/em> kind of statistic\u2014just to even stop for a moment and let that wash over us\u2014and then, to imagine that here is a people\u2014they\u2019re stopping to celebrate and to give thanks in the context of such great loss. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s just a\u2014it\u2019s a marvelous testimony to resilience and hope, I think. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>But it was a time for them to give thanks that was, indeed, a spiritual time of celebration before God?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>It was <em>definitely<\/em> a spiritual time. I\u2019m going to be a little bit evasive, Dennis. For the Pilgrims, <em>every<\/em> moment was full of spiritual significance. They could not have conceived of giving thanks in some abstract, impersonal way. When they gave thanks, they were giving thanks to the Author of every good thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHaving said that, it wasn\u2019t necessarily a religious event\u2014and that\u2019s important, I guess, as a distinction to make. The Pilgrims actually believed that the Scripture authorized irregular kinds of holy days\u2014either of humiliation and fasting in a moment of great crisis or a thanksgiving in a moment of celebration of God\u2019s provision. But what they called, actually, a Thanksgiving <em>holy<\/em> day would not have involved games \/ it would not have involved a lot of celebration\u2014it would have been a very <em>solemn<\/em> kind of church gathering.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did they bring those big black hats with the silver buckles? [Laughter] Did they bring those on the <em>Mayflower <\/em>with them, because they couldn\u2019t buy them in the New World?!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Yes; that\u2019s a great question. You know, it\u2019s so funny our mind\u2019s eye conjures up these images of what the event might have looked like. You\u2019re exactly right\u2014big buckles and tall hats are the very first things that come to mind. The reality is\u2014I hate to say it\u2014but the image that we have is something that comes from the late 19<sup>th<\/sup> century. Buckles weren\u2019t even widely used in England or any part of the Western world at that time. I don\u2019t know where the tall hats come from\u2014the big lace collars. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe evidence that we have from inventories of their property suggests another myth. They didn\u2019t wear black all the time. William Bradford had a <em>red <\/em>coat and a purple cloak that he wore for certain occasions. So, let\u2019s imagine Bradford in purple and red. And others\u2014they have waistcoats \/ vests that are white, or blue, or whatever. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey actually used lots of bright colors.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Barbara talked about how she wanted to correct some of the politically-correct Thanksgiving that was being shared with her children in school. I\u2019m sure we have our own religiously-correct mythology that we bring to this holiday. What do you think are some of the common misconceptions that need to be corrected\u2014either from a secular standpoint, trying to take God out of Thanksgiving, or from a Christian perspective, trying to inject too much into it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Right; I would say that\u2014if I could sort of push back at our common understandings, the Pilgrims would not have called the event, in 1621, a Thanksgiving. They believed that this holiday\u2014or holy day of thanksgiving\u2014was supposed to be a response to God\u2019s <em>extraordinary<\/em> provision\u2014it\u2019s not something that you plan\u2014it\u2019s not something you mark on the calendar. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s something that you produce, sort of spontaneously, in response to God\u2019s <em>extraordinary<\/em> provision.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>The reality is\u2014I talk about this in the book\u2014the Pilgrims would have said that the first Thanksgiving in the future United States was not in 1621\u2014but was actually in 1623\u2014it\u2019s the Thanksgiving we\u2019ve <em>totally<\/em> forgotten about. I can sketch the context just really quickly. Part of the Pilgrims\u2019 story that we totally forget\u2014is that, within weeks of that celebration in 1621, the London financiers\u2014they\u2019re backing their undertaking\u2014send more settlers. They send 35 more settlers on the ship called the <em>Fortune<\/em>. What they do not send is any food or supplies. So, here are these more mouths to feed\u2014almost instantly, Governor William Bradford has to cut the rations for the colony in half. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNot only are their food supplies short, but in spring of 1623, a drought begins. As spring gives way to summer, rain does not fall. William Bradford talks about the earth parched and cracked. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe corn in the fields is withering and almost dying\u2014and they are looking absolute starvation square in the face. Sometime\u2014we have to sort of make some inferences\u2014but around July of 1623, Governor Bradford said: \u201cAlright; it\u2019s time for us to have a solemn holy day. It\u2019s going to be a day of humiliation and fasting, as we gather together, and we pray for God to deliver us from this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the other Pilgrims\u2014a younger man named Edward Winslow\u2014writes that they gather at the meeting house and they begin a day of solemn humiliation and fasting. It lasts for eight to nine hours\u2014in which they pray and sing, and listen to exhortation, and pray and sing. Winslow says that\u2014at the end of that gathering, they left the meeting house on a day that had not had a cloud in the sky\u2014and now, clouds are beginning to gather. In the morning, according to William Bradford, \u201cA sweet and gentle shower begins, that continues\u2014off and on\u2014for 14 days.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Winslow tells us that: \u201cAfter this day of humiliation and fasting, where we had beseeched the Lord\u2019s provision, collectively, it would have been the basest ingratitude not to acknowledge the Lord\u2019s goodness, collectively.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, the governor issues a proclamation for a day of Thanksgiving. They gather to praise the Lord for the showers that He had brought. From the Pilgrim perspective, their first true <em>holy day<\/em> of Thanksgiving would have been summer of 1623. It\u2019s a part of the story that we just totally have lost sight of. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; I have my wife to thank for being the resident historian\u2014you know, filling the Chair and Professor at the Rainey household as the kids were growing up\u2014because she brought our family <em>near<\/em> these events that the Pilgrims celebrated and called our family just to pause and to reflect back on the year of how God had been faithful and how He had provided for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>In one of the stories that I always read was that story about fasting and praying for rain because it was such a dramatic crisis moment for them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI wanted our kids to know that story. I wanted them to see that, when their backs were against the wall, so to speak, that the Pilgrims\u2014their response was to get on their faces before the Lord\u2014and not just utter a quick prayer and move on\u2014but they really, really prayed in a way that most of us don\u2019t do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOut of that, then, we would read that story. Then, at the end of our telling of the Pilgrims\u2019 story, we all would go around the table and share things that we were grateful for as a way to give back to God\u2014to honor Him and to give thanks to Him for the things that He had done in our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is what gave birth to the \u201cWritten and Remembered\u201d resource that you designed that is a part of the Ever Thine Home<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> collection, where you take kids into this discipline of stopping, cataloguing, writing down the things you are thankful for; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, it so easy to forget. We live in such a fast-paced world. If we don\u2019t pull back and stop and realize\u2014as you have said several times, Tracy\u2014that \u201cEvery good and perfect gift comes from God.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have to help our kids understand that. The way we do it is to corral them and usher them into a time of quiet, and thinking\/meditating, and saying: \u201cWhat are we thankful for?\u00a0 What has God done?\u00a0 What do we need to give Him thanks for\u2014that He has done that we must remember?\u201d I think that example that the Pilgrims gave us is very profound. It\u2019s good for <em>all<\/em> of our souls to be connected with that model that they left us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Tracy, one of the things Barbara would do is\u2014out of that 1623 story that you just relived for us\u2014she\u2019d pass out a five-by-seven card with a pen for each child to write their name at the top\u2014if they were old enough to write\u2014and to write up there the year\u2014which, I think we started somewhere in the \u201880s. We\u2019d write down\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Late \u201880s. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cThanksgiving 1988\u201d and the child\u2019s name would be at the top.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey would list five points that they were thankful for, looking back over the year. I know it\u2019s an apocryphal story\u2014but on each plate would be five kernels of corn. Barbara has searched to find that, somehow, this really did occur\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, now, wait\u2014maybe, you know. Can you verify the five kernel of corn story?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>No; I\u2019m sorry. I think Dennis is right. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>No; I couldn\u2019t either, which is why I say, \u201cLegend has it\u2026\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 But it\u2019s a fun legend that kids can really get into. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What she\u2019d do is\u2014she would pass a basket around and a child would put a kernel of corn\u2014because the legend was that they survived that winter on a very meager ration of corn on a daily basis\u2014and put a kernel of corn in the basket and then read the first thing they are thankful for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s interesting, Tracy\u2014to your point about revisiting how God providentially provides for us\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014those cards have become a record \/ a historic record of God\u2019s work in our family on an annual basis\u2014it\u2019s priceless!\u00a0 A lot of the things are insignificant, but a lot of the things aren\u2019t; and we\u2019d forget them if we didn\u2019t have them written down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, if you ever decide to do a book on the Rainey\u2019s, the artifacts are there for you to look at. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just curious about names\u2014I can\u2019t even\u2014all I can remember is\u2014elementary school, I heard something about Squanto.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> Squanto\u2019s story is complex\u2014it\u2019s also amazing. He actually was a member of a Native American tribe called the Patuxet. The Patuxet had had a thriving settlement in the location where Plymouth would eventually be built, perhaps with the population numbering in the few thousands. Then the Patuxets were hit by an epidemic\u2014we\u2019re not entirely sure what; maybe viral hepatitis\u2014sometime in the late 16-teens and <em>completely<\/em> wiped out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSquanto was not affected because he actually had been kidnapped by an English sea captain sometime before that\u2014taken to Spain \/ liberated\u2014made it to England\u2014became a\u2014sort of a house servant for someone there\u2014eventually, got passage back to New England. He comes to where Plymouth is and finds out there\u2019s not a single member of his tribe left and he, in fact, is taken prisoner by the Wampanoag. Squanto, actually, is in a very sort of tenuis situation. What makes him very <em>valuable<\/em>\u2014to both the Wampanoag and to the Pilgrims\u2014he\u2019s the person who can speak between them really. He serves that crucial role as a kind of translator.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Barbara\u2019s wondering if the radio station will let us cancel the rest of the programs today so that we can just keep talking\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014just keep talking.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014about this. You\u2019d kind of just like to go on and on with this; wouldn\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes! I mean, yes; because all those stories I know\u2014because I got <em>all<\/em> those books, when I was writing mine, and read Bradford\u2019s story, and read Morton\u2019s relations, and read all of those things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s remarkable that we have what we have actually, I think.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Tracy, do you rehearse this story with your family on Thanksgiving or do they go: \u201cOh Dad, please! Not\u2014not another Thanksgiving lecture!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> I can guarantee you my family has heard more than their share about Pilgrims these last few years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You did say, though, that in writing the book, you had reflected back on how you wished you\u2019d have been more intentional\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy:<\/strong> Absolutely! The thing I think that I would do differently\u2014if we could sort of rewind the reel and do it over\u2014is I would look for ways, not only to celebrate the regular Thanksgiving events\u2014certainly, promoting the kind of gratitude that Barbara was talking about\u2014but the other aspect of the Pilgrim\u2019s example is this idea that we <em>perpetually<\/em> be looking for the hand of God in the circumstances of our lives. When we see God act in a kind of extraordinary way to meet a particular need, we don\u2019t have to wait until the last Thursday in November.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think what I would do differently, if I had small children in my home\u2014is, if I saw some extraordinary deliverance \/ kindness of God in our family, I would issue a proclamation. I would say, \u201cWe\u2019re going to have a Thanksgiving to acknowledge the goodness of God,\u201d so that my children actually would say, \u201cYou never <em>know<\/em> when it\u2019s going to happen\u2014when might the next occasion be when we have this sort of celebration of God\u2019s goodness.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Maybe when the turkeys go on sale here, you just buy four or five of them and put them in the freezer. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tracy: <\/strong>Keep in the freezer\u2014there you go!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Every time there is a remarkable providence of God, you say: \u201cThaw a turkey. We\u2019re having\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No, Bob; you need to go hunting, Bob. [Laughter] You need to get your own out there\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If I did that with you, I\u2019d <em>starve<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014not in the marketplace. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, as you were talking, Tracy, I thought about Ephesians, Chapter 3, verse 20, speaking of the providence of God\u2014how He provides. Paul closes his prayer for spiritual strength with the following statement, \u201cNow to Him who is able to do far more abundantly than all that we can ask or think, according to the power at work within us, to Him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Amen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There has to be a listener, right now, who needs to claim that verse\u2014Ephesians 3:20 and 21\u2014who is facing the need for the provision of God. There has to be other listeners, who have taken for granted those provisions and who need to build an island\u2014just a moment of celebration and do what Barbara did around the table\u2014and just call the family together and say, \u201cLet\u2019s stop griping and complaining about what\u2019s not working in our country, and give thanks to Almighty God for His goodness in our lives.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTracy, I just\u2014I want to thank you for coming. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re going to ask Swindoll and some of the others to move over\u2014we\u2019re just going to let it run, right now, and just let you keep talking so that we can keep the lecture going. [Laughter] I think you\u2019ve read Barbara\u2019s mind, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; we are getting the high sign that we\u2019ve got to cut things off though. So, let me let our listeners know\u2014you can get a copy of Dr. McKenzie\u2019s book, <em>The First Thanksgiving: What the Real Story Tells Us About Loving God and Learning from History<\/em>. It\u2019s a <em>great<\/em> book. I know the holiday has past, but I\u2019ve got to tell you\u2014if it was back in the day when we were homeschooling our kids\u2014homeschool parents, get a copy of this book and keep it around for next year and make it a part of the curriculum as you head into November next year. Or, if you\u2019re not a homeschool parent, give your high school son or daughter a copy of this book and get a book report from them. You might have to pay 20 bucks, but it\u2019s worth doing it. Again, the book is called, <em>The First Thanksgiving: What the Real Story Tells Us About Loving God and Learning from History<\/em>. You can find out more about the book, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can order from our website as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, all that we do, here, at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014we couldn\u2019t do it if it weren\u2019t for you\u2014those of you who are regular listeners\u2014we\u2019re grateful that you tune in. We always love hearing from you\u2014we love feedback on the program. We\u2019re also grateful for those of you who go beyond listening and have become a part of the mission of FamilyLife<em>.<\/em> Our goal is to effectively develop godly marriages and families. We believe godly marriages and families can change the world, one home at a time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you donate to this ministry, you help us expand the reach\u2014you help us provide practical biblical help and hope to more marriages and more families more often. 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