{"id":304774,"date":"2017-11-22T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2017-11-22T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/bedrock-beliefs-become-life-messages\/"},"modified":"2017-11-22T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2017-11-22T17:00:00","slug":"bedrock-beliefs-become-life-messages","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/bedrock-beliefs-become-life-messages\/","title":{"rendered":"Bedrock Beliefs Become Life Messages"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For Dennis Rainey, life messages are bedrock beliefs founded on Scripture. 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Here\u2019s Dennis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think the closest the Bible comes to defining manhood is found in 1Corinthians, Chapter 16, verses 13 and 14\u2014it says: \u201cBe on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong. Let all that you do be done in love.\u201d In that passage, Bob, if you had to boil that passage down to a single word, I think it\u2019s \u201cinitiative.\u201d I don\u2019t think a man is ever a man when he\u2019s being lazy \/ when he\u2019s being passive.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, November 22<sup>nd<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. There are a lot of things Dennis Rainey has been passionate about during 40-plus years of ministry, and we\u2019ll hear about some of those things today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tStay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Wednesday edition. We\u2019re spending this week giving thanks\u2014a lot to give thanks for, including 25 years of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We just had our birthday for our 25<sup>th<\/sup> anniversary of the launch of this program, earlier this month. We thought we\u2019d spend some time listening back to some of the highlights from the last 25 years\u2014we\u2019ve heard from your kids \/ we\u2019ve heard from your wife\u2014so all that\u2019s left is to hear from you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; and I just want our listeners to know that I didn\u2019t select any of these. [Laughter] This was all a collusion between our engineer, Keith Lynch, who was probably threatened within an inch of his employment here by Bob\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He was in the thick of this! He\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Of course, we could blame it on Dan\u2014Dan Donovan, who\u2019s\u2014[Laughter]\u2014he may have been the likely source of who conspired here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So here\u2019s what we\u2019re going to do today\u2014we\u2019re going to hear some of the highlight moments from <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> that featured you. There have been some moments, over the years, that have\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m sure they all show me with great dignity, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There have been moments that have re-occurred. In fact\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Keith, I\u2019m really counting on you to protect the host of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There have been questions that you have asked more than one guest, like this question.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interviews]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s one of my favorite questions that I ask people, and I\u2019m curious as to how you\u2019ll answer it: \u201cOut of everything you\u2019ve ever done in your life\u2026 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: \u201cOf all the things you\u2019ve done\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: \u201cOut of everything you\u2019ve done on the world\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: \u201c\u2026what is <em>the<\/em> most courageous thing? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: \u201cWhat would you say is the most courageous\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: \u201cWhat would you say is the most courageous thing <em>you<\/em> have ever done?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill Bright: <\/strong>Surrendering everything, where we signed a contract to be slaves of Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally Lloyd-Jones: <\/strong>When I went to boarding school when I was eight.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen Kendrick: <\/strong>I went through a season in my life of depression. It was <em>very<\/em> difficult.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>Well, some people might argue that it was asking my wife to marry me; because I was <em>clearly<\/em> out of my league. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>When I witnessed to my sister.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>I think the thing that takes courage is to love people when it\u2019s hard and when it hurts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Courage\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]: Courage is doing your duty\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]: \u2026is doing your duty in the face\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]: \u2026in the face of fear.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]: \u2026of fear.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill Bright: <\/strong>It was simply an act of obedience; so I don\u2019t think it was that courageous.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s just a handful of the responses we\u2019ve gotten to that question, over the years; but it\u2019s been a fascinating question to hear people respond to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; and they usually say, \u201cI\u2019ve never done anything courageous.\u201d But as we\u2019ve found, there are a lot of courageous saints\u2014that we go to church with \/ our kids are in school with\u2014who have done courageous things that have never been told. It\u2019s always a treat to feature them, here, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Some of the people we heard from there were Sally Lloyd-Jones, and Stephen Kendrick, and, of course,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014Bill Bright.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014the co-founder of Campus Crusade for Christ<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, now Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. He shared the most courageous thing he\u2019d ever done, just months before God called him home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right; you could hear it in his voice\u2014he was having difficulty breathing. You and I flew down to Orlando and interviewed him in his living room. That interview\u2014actually, a couple of interviews\u2014are among, I think, both yours, Bob, and mine of our favorites out of more than 6,000 interviews that we\u2019ve done over the years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There have been some great privileges\u2014great people we\u2019ve gotten to talk to\u2014but to get to talk to Dr. Bright in those final months of his life was, indeed, a privilege.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the hallmark moments for the ministry actually happened at a staff meeting, where you were challenging the men on staff to step up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u201cMan up!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did this happen spontaneously?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Is this the first time I gave this message?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>No; this is actually\u2014this is a condensed version of the message. But you were in a staff meeting and you were challenging all of us that we needed to take our assignment\u2014 at the ministry, in our marriages \/ all of it\u2014seriously. We needed to step up, as men. I\u2019m just wondering: \u201cHad you mapped out these five steps? Had you given thought to this before that message?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I really didn\u2019t have the concept of there being five steps. I just knew some of our men here\u2014we had some younger guys and, frankly, some who were old enough to know better\u2014who weren\u2019t assuming their responsibility, as leaders in the community \/ leaders in their marriages and families. I basically called a team meeting of all the guys, and it wasn\u2019t a locker room talk; but it was close.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I mean, it was one of those where: \u201cCome on, guys! We\u2019re teaching the world here how to do marriage and family God\u2019s way, according to Scriptures. If you\u2019re not living it\u2014you\u2019re not stepping up\u2014then let\u2019s go! Let\u2019s change what\u2019s happening.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In the room, where we were having that meeting, there were stair steps leading up to the platform. You used those steps to picture for us how men need to move from complacency \/ from boyhood, through adolescence to manhood and beyond. As you gave that message, that was really the birth of what became the book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em> \/ the video series, <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and became, really, a life message for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, faith is active\u2014it\u2019s not passive. I think the concept of men stepping up\u2014we use it all the time in sport, whether it\u2019s golf, or football, or baseball\u2014they talk about a guy who stepped up his game. These are days, in this culture\u2014on behalf of a man\u2019s marriage, his family, his community\u2014where I\u2019m still passionate, Bob, that men need to own the responsibility of protecting those allotted to their charge. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd to do that\u2014sometimes, it\u2019s going to demand sacrifice; and you\u2019ve got to turn your back on childish things\u2014on boyhood issues \/ adolescent issues\u2014to step up to the manhood step\u2014and beyond to mentor and patriarch.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Here\u2019s how you outlined those five steps, later, as you were sharing this idea with our audience.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think there needs to be a fresh definition of manhood. I think we need a fresh vision of what it looks like to be a man today, because these are new days with new challenges facing young men. If young men are going to step on up to manhood, they need older men in their lives to help them do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And you think manhood is a part of the process, but it\u2019s not the end of the line. You have five steps that you think a man needs to go through in his life; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think young men today need to see these five steps before them to give them a vision of where they\u2019re headed. The first step is boyhood\u2014that\u2019s that magical time of innocence that young boys go through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then they have to transition through a phase called adolescence, and that\u2019s a time where they\u2019re part boy \/ part man. The man is emerging and the boy\u2014well, he\u2019s slowly being put away.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014or he ought to be put away. [Laughter] For some guys, he hangs around longer than he should; doesn\u2019t he?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Exactly; adolescence should give way to a man stepping up, fully, on the third step of manhood, where a man knows that he is a man; and he has a vision for the rest of his days. The last two steps are: the steps of being a mentor \/ and the final step is, I think, the ultimate call of a man, and that\u2019s to be a patriarch\u2014a generational protector \/ generational guardian\u2014one who\u2019s nearing the end of his life but has a <em>vision<\/em> for future generations.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Take me back to that third step, though. If we\u2019re talking about a man emerging from adolescence and fully embracing manhood, is there a way to define that so the guy can get his arms around it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think the closest the Bible comes to defining manhood is found in \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1 Corinthians, Chapter 16, verses 13 and 14\u2014it says, \u201cBe on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong. Let all that you do be done in love.\u201d In that passage, Bob, if you had to boil that passage down to a single word\u2014which I think would be dangerous but, nonetheless, I think it\u2019s good to have some sense of essence of what masculinity \/ biblical masculinity is\u2014I think it\u2019s \u201cinitiative.\u201d I don\u2019t think a man is ever a man when he\u2019s being lazy \/ when he\u2019s being passive. You look at this passage, and the command is to be on guard\u2014to guard your heart \/ to stand firm in the faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Have a backbone; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; to be men of courage\u2014to act like a man \/ to be strong. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then\u2014not only the tough side of a man\u2014but the tender side of a man\u2014do everything in love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There\u2019s a relational side to being a real man that I think gets overlooked today, and that we dare not minimize.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you talk about the <em>essence<\/em> of manhood being initiative, what are you talking about?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>God made man to step up, to step out, and to lead out. We are commanded in Scripture to be still and know that He is God\u2014those are moments of reflection and meditation. If you look at a man\u2014nothing ever comes to a man who is passive \/ who\u2019s lazy. In fact, if you look at the Proverbs, the Proverbs tell us that <em>ruin<\/em> comes to the man who is lazy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I think God is calling men to do is to live by faith, and faith is never a passive verb. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFaith is an active verb that calls us to believe the truth about God and then step out, based upon the truth about Him; and to love our wives \/ lead our families; to be men of integrity in our businesses \/ in our corporate life as well as our church, and our neighborhood, and our community. All of that, Bob\u2014all of that takes initiative.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s a quick summary of what became your book, <em>Stepping Up,<\/em> and the video series, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. That message has marked a lot of men\u2019s lives over the years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We\u2019ve had over a quarter million men that we know of who have been through that series. I was recently in Bismarck, North Dakota, speaking to a group up there called Steer International. These are farmers and ranchers, who raise cattle and crops to give money to the Great Commission. I met guys up there who had been through <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, from all over the country, not just in North Dakota.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think men like to get together with other men and share their story of God\u2019s work in their life. They also like to share how they\u2019ve been courageous, back to that favorite question of mine. I think men like to be asked that question and like to answer it; because it causes them, in their soul, to reflect back on, \u201cWhat was it that demanded a lot of me and caused my chest to swell and act like a man?\u201d which is what 1 Corinthians 16:13 and 14 says.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I think the two things in the book that were profound for me were: number one, that manhood is not the end of the journey\u2014that there\u2019s a vista beyond manhood \/ that to be a mentor and to be a patriarch is something we can aspire to, and we can work toward, and we can aim for. The other big idea is that a lot of us spend our time straddling the adolescent step and the manhood step, and we kind of move back and forth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSome days, guys who are 50\/60 years old just want to act like an adolescent\u2014we want to be irresponsible, and carefree, and just go with whatever feels good on that day\u2014and that\u2019s not what men do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There is a generation of, unfortunately, young men who\u2019ve kind of put a cushion on the adolescent step. They\u2019ve widened it \/ broadened it, and they\u2019re stretching adolescence into their 20s\u2014and some, even into their 30s\u2014and they\u2019re avoiding adult responsibilities.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s a story told of a Roman emperor, who called all the men together in his city and he challenged them\u2014he says: \u201cYou\u2019re not acting like men. You\u2019re not assuming the responsibilities of being a man.\u201d I think, today, some of these guys, who are avoiding adult responsibilities, need an older man to step into their lives\u2014not in a shameful way\u2014but in an encouraging way, wrap their arm around them and say: \u201cStep up and assume the God-given right and the God-given responsibilities to be who He created you to be and help protect your community. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cHelp protect women.\u201d I\u2019m passionate about that; because I just see a lot of women being mistreated \/ children being taken advantage of.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then, Bob, the other thing that I mentioned in that was the idea of a patriarch having a vision for manhood. It\u2019s too bad the concept of patriarch has become a dirty word\u2014it almost has no dignity to it. Well, that\u2019s not the kind of dignity the Scripture places on that concept\u2014it was the idea of an elder\u2014a wise man \/ a sage\u2014a man who was seasoned by his choices, good and bad, so that he can pass on life lessons to younger men. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, if we\u2019ve ever needed a generation of patriarchs, who truly step up and step into battle and not unplug\u2014and retire and go off and chase their hobbies around a field, or in a stream, or around a sporting event\u2014it\u2019s today! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMen need to have a hill that they\u2019re charging, and they need to be the men that God created them to be in the battle. You were not made to trade your sword in for a 9-iron. You have to keep your sword and stay in the battle.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Long before you wrote the book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, you were challenging men to step into their responsibilities, as dads, and to shepherd the next generation. In fact, it was a landmark moment at a Promise Keepers event, where you gave a living illustration for the guys in the stadium of how a dad navigates his son through the traps of adolescence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Message]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>David and Jonathan Short are here, and they have agreed to help me in a little illustration here as we conclude this message. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat the guys are setting up right now on the platform, gentleman, are traps. The bear trap is right here, in case you can\u2019t see it. They are about to set up some additional traps between where Jonathan is going to stand and where David, his dad, and I are going to stand at the other end of the stage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJonathan, in a moment, I\u2019m going to turn and address you, as a young man. Your dad and I, as the older generation, are going to turn to you. We\u2019re going to beckon you to come to maturity\u2014we\u2019re going to call you to come to adulthood \/ we\u2019re going to call you, as a young man, to come to being a real man, to manhood; alright?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we do that, what I want you to do is\u2014I want you to come; okay? Now, to illustrate what\u2019s taking place in our culture, with the youth of today, guys, I felt like it would be appropriate to blindfold Jonathan. Okay; Jonathan can\u2019t see. Jonathan, you stand right there; your dad and I are going to go over here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are traps all over the stage up here, guys\u2014that you can\u2019t see\u2014representing peer pressure, drugs, alcohol, pornography, pride, sexual immorality. About five steps in front of Jonathan is the bear trap. Guys, that\u2019s real; and it\u2019s loaded.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJonathan, as a young man, you\u2019re vulnerable at this age. You know, the blindfold is a picture of adolescence; but it doesn\u2019t quite capture how vulnerable you really are\u2014so, Jonathan, I want you to take your shoes off. Okay; Jonathan, on the count of three, I want you to come to your dad and me on this side of the stage, representing maturity, adulthood, and manhood\u2014one, two, three!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>Jonathan, stop! This is your dad. [Applause]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Explain for listeners what\u2019s going on here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, the dad walked all the way through the traps \/ walked over to his son, who\u2019s blindfolded, and said: \u201cSon, put your hands on my shoulders. Stick close. Stick right behind me. The traps are real, they\u2019re set, and don\u2019t veer to the left or to the right.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And the crowd responded with that ovation \/ with that applause.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m telling you, Bob\u2014having watched this occur a couple of times in massive events like that\u2014there\u2019s something in the heart of a man, who wished he had a father who had guided him around the traps rather than <em>into<\/em> them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, there is one other question that you have asked a lot of guests on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What would that be, Bob?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014not just the question about courage\u2014but you\u2019ve given a lot of guests an assignment over the years that is built around the fifth commandment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interviews]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I want to ask you a question. It\u2019s going to be a hard one\u2014I\u2019m going to warn you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: We\u2019ve given a few guests, over the years, the opportunity, here, at the end of our broadcast, to seat their father or their mother across the table from them\u2026 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: What I\u2019m going to do is\u2014I\u2019m going to seat your mom across the table\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: What I\u2019m going to do is\u2014I\u2019m going to seat your daddy at the end of the table\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: \u2026seat them across the table from you, and I want you just to\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: I\u2019m going to ask you to take a few moments with just your mom, seated right beside you\u2026 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: I\u2019m going to seat your father across\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: I\u2019m going to seat her across the table\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: Just picture them seated right across from you, here, in the studio\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> One of the things I\u2019ve done, from time to time, just to show the power of honor and the power of the fifth commandment, is to ask a guest to give their parents a tribute. I want to ask you to give a tribute\u2014to just speak directly to your dad and mom\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: \u2026to give her a tribute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>Dear Mom, how I love you!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>Okay; Mom\u2014I have a word to say to you of \u201cThanks!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>Mama, you never had a harsh word for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>I want to be just like my mom when I grow up. [Emotion in voice]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>You always seemed to be ready to read to me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>And I\u2019m so grateful that you make my dad so happy! [Emotion in voice] You were sent to us from God, and I\u2019m just so grateful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I\u2019d like you to give your dad a tribute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>You know, Dad, you\u2019ve demonstrated, over the years, your deep love for your kids\u2026I thank you for forgiving those who have hurt you and in demonstrating to us that there is a holy God in heaven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for loving me, and kissing me, and rubbing my little round head, telling me to go to school, and everything was going to be okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>Thank you for teaching me and telling me that I\u2019m a man and standing with me during hard times.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>Daddy, you\u2019re amazing! What a man! [Emotion in voice]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>It\u2019s not just my life, Dad, but many others. I thank God for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I was starting to think about my dad\u2014so it was making it tough\u2014but my dad died before I got a chance to tell him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There have been some moving moments as guests have shared tributes with their moms or their dads. There\u2019s power in the fifth commandment; isn\u2019t there?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There really is. It reminds us what matters and it reminds us just to hang in there, not quit. Many of those fathers will never be known publicly, but they were men that made their mark on a boy or on a girl\u2019s life, growing up. The mark was a good one \/ a great one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; and you know, it\u2019s not too late for listeners, who would say, \u201cI want to take the opportunity to express words of honor to my mom or to my dad.\u201d Christmas is a great opportunity. There\u2019s time between now and Christmas for you to engage in a process, where you would write out a tribute to your parents and present it to them on Christmas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, Dennis, you\u2019ve written about this in a book called <em>The Forgotten Commandment<\/em>, which is a book that we have in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. We have resources, online, to help you write a tribute. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and find out what\u2019s available to help you in the process of expressing honor to your parents. Even if you look back and you go, \u201cThere was not much honorable in my family, growing up,\u201d that\u2019s where I think your book, <em>The Forgotten Commandment<\/em>, really helps us recognize the fact that God\u2019s at work in every family. There are still things that we can say and do to bring honor to our parents, even if there was a lot of damage done. Again, the book is called <em>The Forgotten Commandment<\/em>. It\u2019s in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can go, online, to request a copy; or call if you\u2019d like\u20141-800-FL-TODAY is the number. The website is FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, as we prepare to gather together with family\/friends to celebrate Thanksgiving, we want to just take a minute and say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who are regular listeners to this program and \u201cThank you,\u201d to the\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014I think the number I heard, recently, was like\u2014six to seven percent of listeners, who actually go the extra mile and make this program possible for others. When you support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, what you\u2019re doing is acknowledging that there are others who <em>need<\/em> the practical biblical help and hope that this program provides; and you say: \u201cI want to make it possible for young moms and dads...\u201d \u201cI want to make it possible for people in other countries, who are tuning in, to listen online,\u201d \u201cI want to make it possible for my community to hear <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> and for this program to be a part of how we are shaping marriages and families in our generation.\u201d We\u2019d love to hear from you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re a long-time listener, we\u2019d love to have you join the team of folks who make this program possible. You can do that by donating, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. Or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to have a history lesson for Thanksgiving Day. We\u2019re going to hear from a world-class historian, who will tell us what it was like in the Plymouth Colony during that very first Thanksgiving, back in the early 1600s. It\u2019s a great reminder of the reality of Thanksgiving. Hope you can spare a few minutes during the holiday to tune in and listen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a CruMinistry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2017 FamilyLife. 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We\u2019re spending this week giving thanks\u2014a lot to give thanks for, including 25 years of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We just had our birthday for our 25<sup>th<\/sup> anniversary of the launch of this program, earlier this month. We thought we\u2019d spend some time listening back to some of the highlights from the last 25 years\u2014we\u2019ve heard from your kids \/ we\u2019ve heard from your wife\u2014so all that\u2019s left is to hear from you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; and I just want our listeners to know that I didn\u2019t select any of these. [Laughter] This was all a collusion between our engineer, Keith Lynch, who was probably threatened within an inch of his employment here by Bob\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He was in the thick of this! He\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Of course, we could blame it on Dan\u2014Dan Donovan, who\u2019s\u2014[Laughter]\u2014he may have been the likely source of who conspired here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So here\u2019s what we\u2019re going to do today\u2014we\u2019re going to hear some of the highlight moments from <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> that featured you. There have been some moments, over the years, that have\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m sure they all show me with great dignity, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There have been moments that have re-occurred. In fact\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Keith, I\u2019m really counting on you to protect the host of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There have been questions that you have asked more than one guest, like this question.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interviews]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s one of my favorite questions that I ask people, and I\u2019m curious as to how you\u2019ll answer it: \u201cOut of everything you\u2019ve ever done in your life\u2026 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: \u201cOf all the things you\u2019ve done\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: \u201cOut of everything you\u2019ve done on the world\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: \u201c\u2026what is <em>the<\/em> most courageous thing? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: \u201cWhat would you say is the most courageous\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: \u201cWhat would you say is the most courageous thing <em>you<\/em> have ever done?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill Bright: <\/strong>Surrendering everything, where we signed a contract to be slaves of Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally Lloyd-Jones: <\/strong>When I went to boarding school when I was eight.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen Kendrick: <\/strong>I went through a season in my life of depression. It was <em>very<\/em> difficult.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>Well, some people might argue that it was asking my wife to marry me; because I was <em>clearly<\/em> out of my league. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>When I witnessed to my sister.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>I think the thing that takes courage is to love people when it\u2019s hard and when it hurts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Courage\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]: Courage is doing your duty\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]: \u2026is doing your duty in the face\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]: \u2026in the face of fear.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]: \u2026of fear.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill Bright: <\/strong>It was simply an act of obedience; so I don\u2019t think it was that courageous.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s just a handful of the responses we\u2019ve gotten to that question, over the years; but it\u2019s been a fascinating question to hear people respond to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; and they usually say, \u201cI\u2019ve never done anything courageous.\u201d But as we\u2019ve found, there are a lot of courageous saints\u2014that we go to church with \/ our kids are in school with\u2014who have done courageous things that have never been told. It\u2019s always a treat to feature them, here, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Some of the people we heard from there were Sally Lloyd-Jones, and Stephen Kendrick, and, of course,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014Bill Bright.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014the co-founder of Campus Crusade for Christ<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, now Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. He shared the most courageous thing he\u2019d ever done, just months before God called him home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right; you could hear it in his voice\u2014he was having difficulty breathing. You and I flew down to Orlando and interviewed him in his living room. That interview\u2014actually, a couple of interviews\u2014are among, I think, both yours, Bob, and mine of our favorites out of more than 6,000 interviews that we\u2019ve done over the years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There have been some great privileges\u2014great people we\u2019ve gotten to talk to\u2014but to get to talk to Dr. Bright in those final months of his life was, indeed, a privilege.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the hallmark moments for the ministry actually happened at a staff meeting, where you were challenging the men on staff to step up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u201cMan up!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did this happen spontaneously?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Is this the first time I gave this message?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>No; this is actually\u2014this is a condensed version of the message. But you were in a staff meeting and you were challenging all of us that we needed to take our assignment\u2014 at the ministry, in our marriages \/ all of it\u2014seriously. We needed to step up, as men. I\u2019m just wondering: \u201cHad you mapped out these five steps? Had you given thought to this before that message?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I really didn\u2019t have the concept of there being five steps. I just knew some of our men here\u2014we had some younger guys and, frankly, some who were old enough to know better\u2014who weren\u2019t assuming their responsibility, as leaders in the community \/ leaders in their marriages and families. I basically called a team meeting of all the guys, and it wasn\u2019t a locker room talk; but it was close.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I mean, it was one of those where: \u201cCome on, guys! We\u2019re teaching the world here how to do marriage and family God\u2019s way, according to Scriptures. If you\u2019re not living it\u2014you\u2019re not stepping up\u2014then let\u2019s go! Let\u2019s change what\u2019s happening.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In the room, where we were having that meeting, there were stair steps leading up to the platform. You used those steps to picture for us how men need to move from complacency \/ from boyhood, through adolescence to manhood and beyond. As you gave that message, that was really the birth of what became the book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em> \/ the video series, <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and became, really, a life message for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, faith is active\u2014it\u2019s not passive. I think the concept of men stepping up\u2014we use it all the time in sport, whether it\u2019s golf, or football, or baseball\u2014they talk about a guy who stepped up his game. These are days, in this culture\u2014on behalf of a man\u2019s marriage, his family, his community\u2014where I\u2019m still passionate, Bob, that men need to own the responsibility of protecting those allotted to their charge. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd to do that\u2014sometimes, it\u2019s going to demand sacrifice; and you\u2019ve got to turn your back on childish things\u2014on boyhood issues \/ adolescent issues\u2014to step up to the manhood step\u2014and beyond to mentor and patriarch.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Here\u2019s how you outlined those five steps, later, as you were sharing this idea with our audience.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think there needs to be a fresh definition of manhood. I think we need a fresh vision of what it looks like to be a man today, because these are new days with new challenges facing young men. If young men are going to step on up to manhood, they need older men in their lives to help them do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And you think manhood is a part of the process, but it\u2019s not the end of the line. You have five steps that you think a man needs to go through in his life; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think young men today need to see these five steps before them to give them a vision of where they\u2019re headed. The first step is boyhood\u2014that\u2019s that magical time of innocence that young boys go through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut then they have to transition through a phase called adolescence, and that\u2019s a time where they\u2019re part boy \/ part man. The man is emerging and the boy\u2014well, he\u2019s slowly being put away.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014or he ought to be put away. [Laughter] For some guys, he hangs around longer than he should; doesn\u2019t he?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Exactly; adolescence should give way to a man stepping up, fully, on the third step of manhood, where a man knows that he is a man; and he has a vision for the rest of his days. The last two steps are: the steps of being a mentor \/ and the final step is, I think, the ultimate call of a man, and that\u2019s to be a patriarch\u2014a generational protector \/ generational guardian\u2014one who\u2019s nearing the end of his life but has a <em>vision<\/em> for future generations.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Take me back to that third step, though. If we\u2019re talking about a man emerging from adolescence and fully embracing manhood, is there a way to define that so the guy can get his arms around it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think the closest the Bible comes to defining manhood is found in \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1 Corinthians, Chapter 16, verses 13 and 14\u2014it says, \u201cBe on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong. Let all that you do be done in love.\u201d In that passage, Bob, if you had to boil that passage down to a single word\u2014which I think would be dangerous but, nonetheless, I think it\u2019s good to have some sense of essence of what masculinity \/ biblical masculinity is\u2014I think it\u2019s \u201cinitiative.\u201d I don\u2019t think a man is ever a man when he\u2019s being lazy \/ when he\u2019s being passive. You look at this passage, and the command is to be on guard\u2014to guard your heart \/ to stand firm in the faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Have a backbone; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; to be men of courage\u2014to act like a man \/ to be strong. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then\u2014not only the tough side of a man\u2014but the tender side of a man\u2014do everything in love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There\u2019s a relational side to being a real man that I think gets overlooked today, and that we dare not minimize.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you talk about the <em>essence<\/em> of manhood being initiative, what are you talking about?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>God made man to step up, to step out, and to lead out. We are commanded in Scripture to be still and know that He is God\u2014those are moments of reflection and meditation. If you look at a man\u2014nothing ever comes to a man who is passive \/ who\u2019s lazy. In fact, if you look at the Proverbs, the Proverbs tell us that <em>ruin<\/em> comes to the man who is lazy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I think God is calling men to do is to live by faith, and faith is never a passive verb. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFaith is an active verb that calls us to believe the truth about God and then step out, based upon the truth about Him; and to love our wives \/ lead our families; to be men of integrity in our businesses \/ in our corporate life as well as our church, and our neighborhood, and our community. All of that, Bob\u2014all of that takes initiative.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s a quick summary of what became your book, <em>Stepping Up,<\/em> and the video series, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. That message has marked a lot of men\u2019s lives over the years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We\u2019ve had over a quarter million men that we know of who have been through that series. I was recently in Bismarck, North Dakota, speaking to a group up there called Steer International. These are farmers and ranchers, who raise cattle and crops to give money to the Great Commission. I met guys up there who had been through <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, from all over the country, not just in North Dakota.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think men like to get together with other men and share their story of God\u2019s work in their life. They also like to share how they\u2019ve been courageous, back to that favorite question of mine. I think men like to be asked that question and like to answer it; because it causes them, in their soul, to reflect back on, \u201cWhat was it that demanded a lot of me and caused my chest to swell and act like a man?\u201d which is what 1 Corinthians 16:13 and 14 says.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I think the two things in the book that were profound for me were: number one, that manhood is not the end of the journey\u2014that there\u2019s a vista beyond manhood \/ that to be a mentor and to be a patriarch is something we can aspire to, and we can work toward, and we can aim for. The other big idea is that a lot of us spend our time straddling the adolescent step and the manhood step, and we kind of move back and forth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSome days, guys who are 50\/60 years old just want to act like an adolescent\u2014we want to be irresponsible, and carefree, and just go with whatever feels good on that day\u2014and that\u2019s not what men do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There is a generation of, unfortunately, young men who\u2019ve kind of put a cushion on the adolescent step. They\u2019ve widened it \/ broadened it, and they\u2019re stretching adolescence into their 20s\u2014and some, even into their 30s\u2014and they\u2019re avoiding adult responsibilities.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s a story told of a Roman emperor, who called all the men together in his city and he challenged them\u2014he says: \u201cYou\u2019re not acting like men. You\u2019re not assuming the responsibilities of being a man.\u201d I think, today, some of these guys, who are avoiding adult responsibilities, need an older man to step into their lives\u2014not in a shameful way\u2014but in an encouraging way, wrap their arm around them and say: \u201cStep up and assume the God-given right and the God-given responsibilities to be who He created you to be and help protect your community. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cHelp protect women.\u201d I\u2019m passionate about that; because I just see a lot of women being mistreated \/ children being taken advantage of.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then, Bob, the other thing that I mentioned in that was the idea of a patriarch having a vision for manhood. It\u2019s too bad the concept of patriarch has become a dirty word\u2014it almost has no dignity to it. Well, that\u2019s not the kind of dignity the Scripture places on that concept\u2014it was the idea of an elder\u2014a wise man \/ a sage\u2014a man who was seasoned by his choices, good and bad, so that he can pass on life lessons to younger men. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, if we\u2019ve ever needed a generation of patriarchs, who truly step up and step into battle and not unplug\u2014and retire and go off and chase their hobbies around a field, or in a stream, or around a sporting event\u2014it\u2019s today! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMen need to have a hill that they\u2019re charging, and they need to be the men that God created them to be in the battle. You were not made to trade your sword in for a 9-iron. You have to keep your sword and stay in the battle.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Long before you wrote the book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, you were challenging men to step into their responsibilities, as dads, and to shepherd the next generation. In fact, it was a landmark moment at a Promise Keepers event, where you gave a living illustration for the guys in the stadium of how a dad navigates his son through the traps of adolescence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Message]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>David and Jonathan Short are here, and they have agreed to help me in a little illustration here as we conclude this message. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat the guys are setting up right now on the platform, gentleman, are traps. The bear trap is right here, in case you can\u2019t see it. They are about to set up some additional traps between where Jonathan is going to stand and where David, his dad, and I are going to stand at the other end of the stage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJonathan, in a moment, I\u2019m going to turn and address you, as a young man. Your dad and I, as the older generation, are going to turn to you. We\u2019re going to beckon you to come to maturity\u2014we\u2019re going to call you to come to adulthood \/ we\u2019re going to call you, as a young man, to come to being a real man, to manhood; alright?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we do that, what I want you to do is\u2014I want you to come; okay? Now, to illustrate what\u2019s taking place in our culture, with the youth of today, guys, I felt like it would be appropriate to blindfold Jonathan. Okay; Jonathan can\u2019t see. Jonathan, you stand right there; your dad and I are going to go over here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are traps all over the stage up here, guys\u2014that you can\u2019t see\u2014representing peer pressure, drugs, alcohol, pornography, pride, sexual immorality. About five steps in front of Jonathan is the bear trap. Guys, that\u2019s real; and it\u2019s loaded.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJonathan, as a young man, you\u2019re vulnerable at this age. You know, the blindfold is a picture of adolescence; but it doesn\u2019t quite capture how vulnerable you really are\u2014so, Jonathan, I want you to take your shoes off. Okay; Jonathan, on the count of three, I want you to come to your dad and me on this side of the stage, representing maturity, adulthood, and manhood\u2014one, two, three!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David: <\/strong>Jonathan, stop! This is your dad. [Applause]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Explain for listeners what\u2019s going on here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, the dad walked all the way through the traps \/ walked over to his son, who\u2019s blindfolded, and said: \u201cSon, put your hands on my shoulders. Stick close. Stick right behind me. The traps are real, they\u2019re set, and don\u2019t veer to the left or to the right.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And the crowd responded with that ovation \/ with that applause.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m telling you, Bob\u2014having watched this occur a couple of times in massive events like that\u2014there\u2019s something in the heart of a man, who wished he had a father who had guided him around the traps rather than <em>into<\/em> them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, there is one other question that you have asked a lot of guests on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What would that be, Bob?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014not just the question about courage\u2014but you\u2019ve given a lot of guests an assignment over the years that is built around the fifth commandment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interviews]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I want to ask you a question. It\u2019s going to be a hard one\u2014I\u2019m going to warn you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: We\u2019ve given a few guests, over the years, the opportunity, here, at the end of our broadcast, to seat their father or their mother across the table from them\u2026 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: What I\u2019m going to do is\u2014I\u2019m going to seat your mom across the table\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: What I\u2019m going to do is\u2014I\u2019m going to seat your daddy at the end of the table\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: \u2026seat them across the table from you, and I want you just to\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: I\u2019m going to ask you to take a few moments with just your mom, seated right beside you\u2026 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: I\u2019m going to seat your father across\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: I\u2019m going to seat her across the table\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: Just picture them seated right across from you, here, in the studio\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> One of the things I\u2019ve done, from time to time, just to show the power of honor and the power of the fifth commandment, is to ask a guest to give their parents a tribute. I want to ask you to give a tribute\u2014to just speak directly to your dad and mom\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Different Interview]: \u2026to give her a tribute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>Dear Mom, how I love you!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>Okay; Mom\u2014I have a word to say to you of \u201cThanks!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>Mama, you never had a harsh word for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>I want to be just like my mom when I grow up. [Emotion in voice]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>You always seemed to be ready to read to me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>And I\u2019m so grateful that you make my dad so happy! [Emotion in voice] You were sent to us from God, and I\u2019m just so grateful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I\u2019d like you to give your dad a tribute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>You know, Dad, you\u2019ve demonstrated, over the years, your deep love for your kids\u2026I thank you for forgiving those who have hurt you and in demonstrating to us that there is a holy God in heaven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>Thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for loving me, and kissing me, and rubbing my little round head, telling me to go to school, and everything was going to be okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>Thank you for teaching me and telling me that I\u2019m a man and standing with me during hard times.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>Daddy, you\u2019re amazing! What a man! [Emotion in voice]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Previous Guest: <\/strong>It\u2019s not just my life, Dad, but many others. I thank God for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I was starting to think about my dad\u2014so it was making it tough\u2014but my dad died before I got a chance to tell him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There have been some moving moments as guests have shared tributes with their moms or their dads. There\u2019s power in the fifth commandment; isn\u2019t there?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There really is. It reminds us what matters and it reminds us just to hang in there, not quit. Many of those fathers will never be known publicly, but they were men that made their mark on a boy or on a girl\u2019s life, growing up. The mark was a good one \/ a great one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; and you know, it\u2019s not too late for listeners, who would say, \u201cI want to take the opportunity to express words of honor to my mom or to my dad.\u201d Christmas is a great opportunity. There\u2019s time between now and Christmas for you to engage in a process, where you would write out a tribute to your parents and present it to them on Christmas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, Dennis, you\u2019ve written about this in a book called <em>The Forgotten Commandment<\/em>, which is a book that we have in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. We have resources, online, to help you write a tribute. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and find out what\u2019s available to help you in the process of expressing honor to your parents. Even if you look back and you go, \u201cThere was not much honorable in my family, growing up,\u201d that\u2019s where I think your book, <em>The Forgotten Commandment<\/em>, really helps us recognize the fact that God\u2019s at work in every family. There are still things that we can say and do to bring honor to our parents, even if there was a lot of damage done. Again, the book is called <em>The Forgotten Commandment<\/em>. It\u2019s in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can go, online, to request a copy; or call if you\u2019d like\u20141-800-FL-TODAY is the number. The website is FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, as we prepare to gather together with family\/friends to celebrate Thanksgiving, we want to just take a minute and say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who are regular listeners to this program and \u201cThank you,\u201d to the\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014I think the number I heard, recently, was like\u2014six to seven percent of listeners, who actually go the extra mile and make this program possible for others. 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