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Dennis Rainey talks with author and pastor Alistair Begg about the solemnity of the marriage vows.<br \/>\nRyan Dobson, and his father, Dr. James Dobson, share some emotional moments regarding Ryan&#8217;s 1970 adoption.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Biblical truth should affect how you live every season of your life. 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Along the way, we\u2019ve had a lot of people, who\u2019ve joined us to offer their insights and their observations\u2014people like Pastor Alistair Begg.\n\n<strong>Alistair:<\/strong> The phraseology of solemnity, and reverence, and of awe, and all those things is, I think, simply to remind this young couple that, although this is taking place in a very public forum\u2014friends and family are there, and that\u2019s very meaningful\u2014it\u2019s actually taking place in view of Almighty God and that it is before God, ultimately, that they will stand to give an account of their response to His Son and their willingness to fulfil their obligations within the framework of marriage.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, November 8<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\n\n<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\nMarriage and family have always been central to God\u2019s design\u2014His plan for His people on planet earth. We\u2019ll hear from a variety of people today who agree with that. Stay with us.\n\nAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Wednesday edition. We\u2019re celebrating birthday week. We don\u2019t just take a <em>day<\/em>\u2014we take a whole <em>week<\/em>.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s 25\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Twenty-five years\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201425 years for goodness\u2019 sakes!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact, if you\u2019re turning 25 this year, you should tell all your friends: \u201cIt\u2019s a weeklong celebration\u2014not a day.\u201d I think every quarter century should be a weeklong celebration; don\u2019t you think?\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think so. You know what I say to people who are celebrating their 25<sup>th<\/sup> anniversary?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No; what do you say?\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I say: \u201cYou got the silver. Now, go for the gold!\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There you go. That\u2019s good.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cGo for 50!\u201d I don\u2019t think Bob and I are going to go for\u2014[Laughter]\u2014I don\u2019t think we\u2019re going to go for the gold.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think anybody would want to be listening [Laughter] to us 25 years from now. [Elderly voice] And welcome to\u2014\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Hold it! Hold it! The engineer out front\u2014Keith! Keith, do you want to go for the gold?\n\n<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Elderly voice] He does. I can hear the program\u2014\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Keith\u2014Keith is only 12!\n\n<strong>Keith:<\/strong> I can\u2019t hear ya!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Elderly voice] I can hear the program now\u2014Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Coots for Christ\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014 [Elderly voice] Dennis and Bob. [Laughter]\n\n[Resumes regular voice] So, this week, we\u2019re celebrating by revisiting some of the highlight moments over the years\u2014people we\u2019ve had the opportunity to meet, and interview, and share the studio with. One of those people is Dr. John Piper. He and his wife No\u00ebl came down\u2014and this was right after he had written the book, <em>Don\u2019t Waste Your Life<\/em>. I\u2019m thinking about the fact that you just wrote a book that has a similar title to it.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s right: <em>Choosing a Life That Matters<\/em>. In fact, the story he tells on today\u2019s broadcast is <em>absolutely<\/em> a classic.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It is a classic.\n\n[Previous Interview]\n\n<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; I got the story from <em>Reader\u2019s Digest<\/em>\u2014[Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s okay; Ronald Reagan got a lot of his stories from <em>Reader\u2019s Digest<\/em> too\u2014nothing wrong with it.\n\n<strong>John:<\/strong> \u2014and it was written by them\u2014so it\u2019s not told <em>about<\/em> them.\n\n<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\nI won\u2019t give any names, but they were marveling that at\u2014I think age 51 and 52, or something like that\u2014they were able to retire early \/ go to Florida. And the <em>peak<\/em> of their excitement about this stage in their life was that they could play softball and collect shells.\n\nI just read that and thought, \u201cYou\u2019ve got to be kidding!\u201d Tragically, the AARP and most people giving counsel on what to do with your latter years are telling you to go play them away. I\u2019m thinking: \u201cThat is <em>not<\/em> the way I want to spend my life at all\u2014let alone, my last years \/ in the months, just proceeding seeing the King of the universe.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When you were a young lad, growing up in your home, there was a\u2014was it a plaque or what was it?\u2014it was in the kitchen as I recall? Is that right?\n\n<strong>John:<\/strong> Right; it was in the kitchen.\n\n<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\nI now have it in my living room at home\u2014so that it\u2019s been on the wall for 50 years of my life, at least\u2014which says, \u201cOnly one life, twill soon be passed, only what\u2019s done for Christ will last.\u201d That was emblazoned on my mind, as a child\u2014that significance and lasting reality is going to come from connectedness with Jesus.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, you would say that, from early on, you understood this idea of the stewardship of your life and that it needed to be focused and rightly-directed. It\u2019s not something that came to you later in life.\n\n<strong>John:<\/strong> I would say, in my high school years\u2014as I reflected back on the kinds of things I was thinking \/ the kinds of things I was writing and reading\u2014as I reviewed those, it was <em>amazing<\/em> to me how much I was thinking about it in those days.\n\nThe other thing that probably affected the title of this book, <em>Don\u2019t Waste Your Life,<\/em> is the story my dad, as an evangelist, would tell when he was doing evangelism. He came home one time, and with tears in his eyes, he said: \u201cA man came to Christ\u2014who must have been in his 70\u2019s\u2014\n\n<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\n\u2014\u201che had been a sinner in the community for years \/ people had prayed for him, and he resisted the gospel. He walked to the front and he sat down. After the service, as I sat beside him and counseled him, he just wept and wept. When I asked why he was weeping, he just repeated over and over: \u2018I\u2019ve wasted it! I\u2019ve wasted it!\u2019\u2019\u2019 I tell you\u2014as a <em>teenager<\/em>, that story from my dad landed on me with such power that I thought: \u201c<em>Never<\/em> ever\/ever do I want to be able to say that.\u201d\n\n\u201cFrom Him, through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be glory forever and ever,\u201d\u2014Romans 11:36\u2014it says. So, I think significance must be defined in terms of God\u2014depending on Him \/ being guided by Him\u2014giving Him all the praise, and all the glory, and all the honor; and then, finding <em>lifestyles<\/em> and ways of talking, and thinking, and feeling, and acting that make God look really good to this culture.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, again, that\u2019s Dr. John Piper.\n\n<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\nI have to tell you\u2014earlier this year, that story \/ the seashell story, which has become famous for John Piper\u2014he had shared that at an event over in Memphis\u2014the One Day Conference. There were <em>thousands<\/em> of young people who were there. There was an online article\u2014kind of an ongoing blog of people talking about how that story had redirected their lives\u2014people, who are in ministry today because of the seashell story. God used that illustration powerfully and profoundly to wake up many in today\u2019s generation to say: \u201cI do want to choose a life that matters.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, Bob, it\u2019s interesting that God would use it; because there\u2019s not too many seashells in Memphis. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But they understood. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There are a lot of seashells in Memphis\u2014a lot of people collecting the wrong thing.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>This next guest on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> has an eternal perspective as well. Nancy Leigh DeMoss Wolgemuth has been a friend of yours, Bob \/ mine and Barbara\u2019s for a number of years. She is a great Bible teacher and does a great job through her radio program.\n\n<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> had the privilege of being a part of helping to birth <em>Revive Our Hearts<\/em>\u2014Nancy\u2019s radio ministry. She recorded her program here for the first eight years that it was being produced. We had a chance to partner with her to help launch that program.\n\nBut this clip actually goes back before she was on the radio \/ back before she was married\u2014back to when she was traveling and speaking and hadn\u2019t written her first book yet. We talked to her about the fact that God had her, as a single woman, involved in ministry. We talked about some of the challenges associated with singleness.\n\n[Previous Interview]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The key really to successful singleness is the same key that we have in successful marriages or successful living\u2014it\u2019s abandonment of all to the lordship of Christ.\n\n<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes; it is. If I could just make a comment here\u2014just particularly to women, who are single\u2014I find such freedom in knowing that God made me\u2014not to be an initiator\u2014but to be a responder. And that if God\u2019s plan for me is marriage, I don\u2019t have the <em>least<\/em> bit of responsibility to go and find who that is, or where it is, or when it is. That\u2019s been a very, very liberating thing to me; and I think would set a lot of men free if we, Christian single women, would really just quit panicking and say: \u201cMy hope is in the Lord. My expectation is in Him. I\u2019m not pursuing men \/ I\u2019m not pursuing marriage. I\u2019m pursuing God with all my heart.\u201d I think that would set us free to have relationships that are really wholesome, and whole, and mature, and godly rather than based on a worldly view.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> If you don\u2019t panic, and you\u2019re not to pursue\u2014do you flirt with the opposite sex?\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> First Peter says, \u201cThe holy women of God trusted in God and the woman who trusts in God\u201d\u2014and I do.\n\n<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\nI really\u2014not all the time \/ not as I wish I would\u2014and not without panic in many areas of my life\u2014but deep, deep in my heart I do believe that God loves me, that He is sovereign, that He wants what\u2019s best for my life more than I could ever want it. He surely could figure it out better than I could ever figure it out.\n\nSo, honestly, I don\u2019t need to <em>flirt<\/em>. My goal in life is to please Him; and because I trust Him, it\u2019s not necessary to\u2014you know, I guess, flirting\u2014I don\u2019t know how you define it, but it certainly has something to do with drawing attention to myself and trying to gain something for myself. To live that way is\u2014not only perverse\u2014but it\u2019s contrary to the whole purpose for which God made me\u2014it puts me in bondage. I choose rather freedom, and freedom is to put my trust in the Lord.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, that is a younger, single Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth sharing about how God was at work in her life during her single years.\n\n<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\nI neglected to mention that the <em>Revive Our Hearts<\/em> theme music\u2014Keith Lynch is playing guitar. Our engineer played guitar on that theme music.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m telling you\u2014he\u2019s ambidextrous. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We have another friend, who joined us for an interview, to talk about marriage and to talk about the significance of the marriage vow. This is our friend, Alistair Begg.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014who\u2019s got a true southern accent.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Laughing] Southern Scotland.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Laughter] That\u2019s right. Alistair, of course, is heard on the daily radio program, <em>Truth for Life<\/em>. He pastors Parkside Church in Cleveland, Ohio. He\u2019s a well-known author and speaker.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And has a great cohost on the broadcast\u2014the announcer on that as well\u2014[Laughter]\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong><em>Truth for Life<\/em>. That\u2019s right: \u201cWhere the learning is for living.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and that\u2019s Bob Lepine. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s a clip of our conversation with Alistair, talking about the wedding vow.\n\n[Previous Interview]\n\n<strong>Alistair:<\/strong> When you think about committing your life to another person \/ to another\u2014a stumbling bumbling person like yourself\u2014the language is going to be very, very important, especially, if it\u2019s going to be a continual reference point for us\u2014that we\u2019re coming back to it and saying, \u201cWell, don\u2019t you remember when we said such-and-such?\n\n<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\n\u201cWe said, \u2018\u2026better or worse.\u2019 This is a little worse, but we already covered that in what we said,\u201d\u2014that kind of thing.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There\u2019s a phrase that some pastors will use when they begin the vow part of a wedding, where they\u2019ll say, \u201cI solemnly charge you.\u201d That may have been said when I got married. I don\u2019t know if it was or not. Because even if it had been, I\u2019m not sure I would have understood what the preacher was trying to say. What\u2019s that all about\u2014that solemnly charges stuff?\n\n<strong>Alistair:<\/strong> The phrase can mean something; but unless the context is marked by a genuine sense of solemnity, what actually emerges\u2014not from the phraseology\u2014but from the conviction on the part of the couple and the person conducting the ceremony itself.\n\n<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\nI mean, the phraseology of solemnity, and reverence, and of awe, and all of those things is, I think, simply to remind this young couple that, although this is taking place in a very public forum\u2014and friends and family are there, and that\u2019s very meaningful\u2014it\u2019s actually taking place in view of Almighty God and that it is before God, ultimately, that they will stand to give an account of their response to His Son and their willingness to fulfill their obligations within the framework of marriage.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Alistair, let me ask you\u2014we\u2019ve talked about the weight of the marriage ceremony \/ about the vows\u2014and yet, the New Testament tells us that the wedding itself is really a picture. It\u2019s a type of something that is beyond a man and a woman coming together. God intends for it to point to a reality that goes beyond husband and wife.\n\n<strong>Alistair:<\/strong> Yes; which makes it even more significant\u2014doesn\u2019t it?\u2014in light of what we\u2019re saying\u2014that we would ever trivialize that.\n\n<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\nYes; Paul says that \u201cThis is\u201d\u2014\u201cThis is a great mystery.\u201d He says: \u201cI\u2019m talking about Christ and the church,\u201d\u2014and that, somehow or another, our marriages\u2014in terms of selfless devotion and fidelity towards one another\u2014are to speak and point away from ourselves to the immensity of God\u2019s covenant love for those who are His children. And the fact that we are betrothed to Him \/ that He will come for a lovely bride set apart for her husband, without spot, or wrinkle, or any other blemish; and that He is the One who is taking the initiative in setting His love upon us\u2014it takes us way beyond ourselves.\n\nAlso, you know, when you then come to the other side of it, and you say you are to love your wife the way that Christ loved the church, then if that doesn\u2019t solemnize you, I don\u2019t know really what will.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Again, that\u2019s Alistair Begg talking about wedding vows. He spoke at one of our <em>I Still Do<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage events. I remember\u2014it was <em>powerful<\/em>, and the audience was very grateful for his message.\n\n<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Very much so.\n\nIn fact, this next guest\u2014I\u2019ve got to tell you folks, this may be the best sting that Bob and I have ever pulled off with a radio guest. And get this, folks\u2014it occurred on his <em>home<\/em> turf.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let me give some backstory to this; okay?\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This was really, really fun! Listen to what happened.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We were starting an emphasis, here, at FamilyLife around adoption. Our friends out at <em>Focus on the Family<\/em> were also committed, passionately, to the issue of adoption. We were getting ready to promote the very first National Adoption Week. I called John Fuller, the cohost at <em>Focus on the Family<\/em>\u2014I said: \u201cWhat if we, on the same day, talked about our heart for adoption? Dennis could be a guest on <em>Focus on the Family<\/em>, and Dr. Dobson could be a guest on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Folks would hear us on each other\u2019s shows, talking about adoption.\u201d John said, \u201cGreat idea.\u201d We headed out to Colorado Springs to record both programs.\n\n<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m sitting out in Dr. Dobson\u2019s office with him; and he says: \u201cYou know, I\u2019ve been thinking about it, Dennis. Why don\u2019t we just do one program?\u2014and not do two\u2014where you and Bob are interviewing me. We\u2019ll just have one program, and I\u2019ll interview you guys.\u201d I said: \u201cNo; that\u2019s not going to work. [Laughter] Here\u2019s why\u2026\u201d It wasn\u2019t me trying to better him; it\u2019s because we had a unique sting that was all about adoption.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We did. We had prerecorded an interview. We wanted Dr. Dobson to <em>hear<\/em> the interview that we had prerecorded during our interview with him.\n\n[Previous Interview]\n\n<strong>James:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got a lump in my throat already, and I don\u2019t even know what\u2019s coming.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You have a unique story just about how you came to be Ryan Dobson. Do you want to share that?\n\n<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> I do! When my sister was born, there were problems during her pregnancy\u2014so that my mom wasn\u2019t able to have more kids. They said, \u201cYou know, we\u2019ve got to do something.\u201d They decided they would pray for a miracle.\n\n<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\nThey committed to the Lord\u2014they were going to get on their knees, at the side of their bed every night, and pray. They did that for an entire year. For 365 straight days, they prayed, every night, on their knees beside their bed and nothing happened. They just kept right on praying\u2014one year turned into two, two quickly turned into three, and three turned into four. Four years go by\u2014nothing happens.\n\nRight about that time, there was a young couple\u2014they were in high school \/ they dated for a while. After a while, the girl said: \u201cThis isn\u2019t the guy that I want to marry. If I\u2019m not going to marry him, I better not keep being with him.\u201d They broke up. A short time later, she found out she was pregnant and didn\u2019t know what to do, and didn\u2019t know if she should tell her parents, and didn\u2019t want them to be upset or mad or disappointed. She finally couldn\u2019t take it\u2014she broke down one night \/ she told her parents. They didn\u2019t know what to do. They already had four kids, and one more mouth wasn\u2019t going to help things. The family debated what would they do: \u201cWere there any options available?\u201d\n\n<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\nSomeone at their church pointed them to the doors of a pregnancy care center. They started meeting with a counselor. There were a lot of tears shed as options were laid out and they were trying to decide what to do. The Lord took my parents\u2019 inability to have more kids, and he took that young couple\u2019s high school folly or indiscretion, and He matched it together. On August 31, 1970, my parents, Jim and Shirley, brought me home from an adoption center. And that\u2019s how I became a Dobson.\n\n<strong>James:<\/strong> You should have warned me about this, Dennis.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I did a little.\n\n<strong>James:<\/strong> Oh, that touches my heart.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What\u2019s going through your mind?\n\n<strong>James:<\/strong> Well, it just, again, takes me back to that era and what we were feeling.\n\n<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\nAnyone who has ever been infertile, even for a short period of time, knows the sorrow, and the disappointment, and the pain of having the wife come home again from the doctor\u2019s office and say: \u201cNo; not this time. Now, maybe later; but not yet,\u201d\u2014and to hear that over, and over, and over again, when your arms <em>ache<\/em> for a baby. And then to have the Lord put this beautiful little baby boy into your arms. [Laughter] We loved him from the moment we first saw him. This is just one of the happiest aspects of my entire life. Thank you, Ryan, for what you just said\u2014you got to me, man. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You know, before we leave this topic of Ryan\u2019s appreciation for you adopting\u2014you and Shirley adopting him\u2014we asked for one last little piece to be recorded, Jim.\n\n<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\nI want our listeners to eavesdrop as Ryan turns to you and Shirley and has some words of appreciation for your courage \/ your faith to step out and to offer a home to a child who might not have had one\n\n<strong>James:<\/strong> Oh my.\n\n<strong>Ryan:<\/strong>\n\nMom and Dad, I just appreciate <em>so much<\/em> the sacrifices that you made to get me\u2014and to understand that so much more so, now, that I\u2019ve got my own son. It really is about a faith issue. It\u2019s trusting in God to go through that turmoil. To think someone did that for me\u2014I didn\u2019t understand it for many, many years; but because you latched on to me, I was no longer in a foster home. I was no longer wondering whose family I\u2019d be, but I was instantly accepted into a family. And it was, instantly, my family.\n\nSeeing you, Mom, today, in the National Day of Prayer and the impact you have upon\u2014not just this country\u2014but this <em>world<\/em> through prayer, I have no doubt that part of that was started when you started praying for me so long ago.\n\n<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\nI\u2019ve come home, many nights in high school and in college, and crept into the house, hoping not to wake anybody, and hear voices from your room. And to walk in and see you guys on your knees. Words can\u2019t describe what that does to know that I have parents on their knees, every night, praying for me and asking the Lord for protection. It made all the difference in the world. Anytime I was going through a crisis, I knew, without a shadow of a doubt, somebody out there would pray for me every night; and that was you and Dad.\n\nAnd Dad, growing up in the household, I am who I am because of you. I am a Dobson. And to be raised in a household and to see, daily, someone stand up for the Word of God and to follow God, even when it seems like it\u2019s not making sense, that changes people.\n\n<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\nI have the greatest situation because I have parents who\u2014not only modeled faith in God, unlike any other place I could get\u2014but they modeled a healthy, loving relationship. You\u2019ve been married for over 40 years. I hope to have that someday. I appreciate it, and I love you guys. And I know you\u2019re going to be great, great, great grandparents. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>James:<\/strong> Ryan, just let me tell you that, when we were on our knees there, praying for you, what we were praying for, over and over again, was that God would make you a man of God with a passion for Jesus Christ. He has <em>answered<\/em> that prayer.\n\n<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\nAnd see you speaking all over the country, and see people responding to you, and carrying that same message\u2014that your great grandfather, and your grandfather, and your father had such a passion for\u2014is one of the great thrills of my life. It\u2019s been a privilege being your father.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> [Laughter] That was a sweet moment; wasn\u2019t it?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It was a <em>great<\/em> moment. And to take Dr. Dobson by surprise and to know that was a meaningful interchange between a father and a son\u2014that I don\u2019t know that they would have had that conversation unless somebody nudged it\u2014right?\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; you just don\u2019t know. But what a privilege to do radio, Bob, with you for 25 years\u2014and to interview folks like John Piper, Nancy Leigh DeMoss Wolgemuth, Alistair Begg, and Dr. Dobson. What a privilege to bring these kinds of folks into the cars, living rooms, kitchens, workplaces of listeners all over the country.\n\n<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and we have some faithful listeners, who have not only tuned in regularly, but a lot of folks, who have come alongside and said: \u201cWe want to see the impact of this ministry expand. We want to help you reach more people.\u201d They understand the mission; and they say: \u201cWe\u2019re in. We want to see it expanded.\u201d We\u2019re grateful for those who have partnered with us over the years.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We are. I just want to close, saying: \u201cThank you for caring about your family and the families of others and for giving, because your giving keeps <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> on the air, going strong. It even allows <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> to help start other radio ministries, like we did with Nancy Leigh DeMoss Wolgemuth, 15 years ago.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. Well, and it\u2019s easy to give, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can call to donate at 1-800-FL-TODAY. You can also mail your donation to us at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223.\n\n<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\nIf you want to give a dollar a year for each year we\u2019ve been on the air\u2014that would be 25 bucks. If there are two of you listening in your house, you might make it $50\u2014I mean, whatever you\u2019re able to do to help support the ministry\u2014we appreciate your participation.\n\nAnd we hope you can join us back tomorrow when we\u2019re going to hear from some of the new young voices who are speaking out about marriage and family. We\u2019ll hear from J.D. Greear, David Platt, Francis Chan, and Jen Wilkin tomorrow. Hope you can be with us for all of that.\n\nI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry.\n\nHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\nWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. 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Learn more from John Piper, Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth, Alistair Begg, and James Dobson.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2017-11-08.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Our mission for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, for the last 25 years, has been to provide practical biblical help and hope for marriages and families. Along the way, we\u2019ve had a lot of people, who\u2019ve joined us to offer their insights and their observations\u2014people like Pastor Alistair Begg.\n\n<strong>Alistair:<\/strong> The phraseology of solemnity, and reverence, and of awe, and all those things is, I think, simply to remind this young couple that, although this is taking place in a very public forum\u2014friends and family are there, and that\u2019s very meaningful\u2014it\u2019s actually taking place in view of Almighty God and that it is before God, ultimately, that they will stand to give an account of their response to His Son and their willingness to fulfil their obligations within the framework of marriage.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, November 8<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\n\n<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\nMarriage and family have always been central to God\u2019s design\u2014His plan for His people on planet earth. We\u2019ll hear from a variety of people today who agree with that. Stay with us.\n\nAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Wednesday edition. We\u2019re celebrating birthday week. We don\u2019t just take a <em>day<\/em>\u2014we take a whole <em>week<\/em>.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s 25\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Twenty-five years\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201425 years for goodness\u2019 sakes!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact, if you\u2019re turning 25 this year, you should tell all your friends: \u201cIt\u2019s a weeklong celebration\u2014not a day.\u201d I think every quarter century should be a weeklong celebration; don\u2019t you think?\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think so. You know what I say to people who are celebrating their 25<sup>th<\/sup> anniversary?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No; what do you say?\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I say: \u201cYou got the silver. Now, go for the gold!\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There you go. That\u2019s good.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cGo for 50!\u201d I don\u2019t think Bob and I are going to go for\u2014[Laughter]\u2014I don\u2019t think we\u2019re going to go for the gold.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think anybody would want to be listening [Laughter] to us 25 years from now. [Elderly voice] And welcome to\u2014\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Hold it! Hold it! The engineer out front\u2014Keith! Keith, do you want to go for the gold?\n\n<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Elderly voice] He does. I can hear the program\u2014\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Keith\u2014Keith is only 12!\n\n<strong>Keith:<\/strong> I can\u2019t hear ya!\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Elderly voice] I can hear the program now\u2014Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Coots for Christ\u2014\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014 [Elderly voice] Dennis and Bob. [Laughter]\n\n[Resumes regular voice] So, this week, we\u2019re celebrating by revisiting some of the highlight moments over the years\u2014people we\u2019ve had the opportunity to meet, and interview, and share the studio with. One of those people is Dr. John Piper. He and his wife No\u00ebl came down\u2014and this was right after he had written the book, <em>Don\u2019t Waste Your Life<\/em>. I\u2019m thinking about the fact that you just wrote a book that has a similar title to it.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s right: <em>Choosing a Life That Matters<\/em>. In fact, the story he tells on today\u2019s broadcast is <em>absolutely<\/em> a classic.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It is a classic.\n\n[Previous Interview]\n\n<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; I got the story from <em>Reader\u2019s Digest<\/em>\u2014[Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s okay; Ronald Reagan got a lot of his stories from <em>Reader\u2019s Digest<\/em> too\u2014nothing wrong with it.\n\n<strong>John:<\/strong> \u2014and it was written by them\u2014so it\u2019s not told <em>about<\/em> them.\n\n<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\nI won\u2019t give any names, but they were marveling that at\u2014I think age 51 and 52, or something like that\u2014they were able to retire early \/ go to Florida. And the <em>peak<\/em> of their excitement about this stage in their life was that they could play softball and collect shells.\n\nI just read that and thought, \u201cYou\u2019ve got to be kidding!\u201d Tragically, the AARP and most people giving counsel on what to do with your latter years are telling you to go play them away. I\u2019m thinking: \u201cThat is <em>not<\/em> the way I want to spend my life at all\u2014let alone, my last years \/ in the months, just proceeding seeing the King of the universe.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When you were a young lad, growing up in your home, there was a\u2014was it a plaque or what was it?\u2014it was in the kitchen as I recall? Is that right?\n\n<strong>John:<\/strong> Right; it was in the kitchen.\n\n<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\nI now have it in my living room at home\u2014so that it\u2019s been on the wall for 50 years of my life, at least\u2014which says, \u201cOnly one life, twill soon be passed, only what\u2019s done for Christ will last.\u201d That was emblazoned on my mind, as a child\u2014that significance and lasting reality is going to come from connectedness with Jesus.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, you would say that, from early on, you understood this idea of the stewardship of your life and that it needed to be focused and rightly-directed. It\u2019s not something that came to you later in life.\n\n<strong>John:<\/strong> I would say, in my high school years\u2014as I reflected back on the kinds of things I was thinking \/ the kinds of things I was writing and reading\u2014as I reviewed those, it was <em>amazing<\/em> to me how much I was thinking about it in those days.\n\nThe other thing that probably affected the title of this book, <em>Don\u2019t Waste Your Life,<\/em> is the story my dad, as an evangelist, would tell when he was doing evangelism. He came home one time, and with tears in his eyes, he said: \u201cA man came to Christ\u2014who must have been in his 70\u2019s\u2014\n\n<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\n\u2014\u201che had been a sinner in the community for years \/ people had prayed for him, and he resisted the gospel. He walked to the front and he sat down. After the service, as I sat beside him and counseled him, he just wept and wept. When I asked why he was weeping, he just repeated over and over: \u2018I\u2019ve wasted it! I\u2019ve wasted it!\u2019\u2019\u2019 I tell you\u2014as a <em>teenager<\/em>, that story from my dad landed on me with such power that I thought: \u201c<em>Never<\/em> ever\/ever do I want to be able to say that.\u201d\n\n\u201cFrom Him, through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be glory forever and ever,\u201d\u2014Romans 11:36\u2014it says. So, I think significance must be defined in terms of God\u2014depending on Him \/ being guided by Him\u2014giving Him all the praise, and all the glory, and all the honor; and then, finding <em>lifestyles<\/em> and ways of talking, and thinking, and feeling, and acting that make God look really good to this culture.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, again, that\u2019s Dr. John Piper.\n\n<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\nI have to tell you\u2014earlier this year, that story \/ the seashell story, which has become famous for John Piper\u2014he had shared that at an event over in Memphis\u2014the One Day Conference. There were <em>thousands<\/em> of young people who were there. There was an online article\u2014kind of an ongoing blog of people talking about how that story had redirected their lives\u2014people, who are in ministry today because of the seashell story. God used that illustration powerfully and profoundly to wake up many in today\u2019s generation to say: \u201cI do want to choose a life that matters.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, Bob, it\u2019s interesting that God would use it; because there\u2019s not too many seashells in Memphis. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But they understood. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There are a lot of seashells in Memphis\u2014a lot of people collecting the wrong thing.\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\n<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>This next guest on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> has an eternal perspective as well. Nancy Leigh DeMoss Wolgemuth has been a friend of yours, Bob \/ mine and Barbara\u2019s for a number of years. She is a great Bible teacher and does a great job through her radio program.\n\n<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> had the privilege of being a part of helping to birth <em>Revive Our Hearts<\/em>\u2014Nancy\u2019s radio ministry. She recorded her program here for the first eight years that it was being produced. We had a chance to partner with her to help launch that program.\n\nBut this clip actually goes back before she was on the radio \/ back before she was married\u2014back to when she was traveling and speaking and hadn\u2019t written her first book yet. We talked to her about the fact that God had her, as a single woman, involved in ministry. We talked about some of the challenges associated with singleness.\n\n[Previous Interview]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The key really to successful singleness is the same key that we have in successful marriages or successful living\u2014it\u2019s abandonment of all to the lordship of Christ.\n\n<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> Yes; it is. If I could just make a comment here\u2014just particularly to women, who are single\u2014I find such freedom in knowing that God made me\u2014not to be an initiator\u2014but to be a responder. And that if God\u2019s plan for me is marriage, I don\u2019t have the <em>least<\/em> bit of responsibility to go and find who that is, or where it is, or when it is. That\u2019s been a very, very liberating thing to me; and I think would set a lot of men free if we, Christian single women, would really just quit panicking and say: \u201cMy hope is in the Lord. My expectation is in Him. I\u2019m not pursuing men \/ I\u2019m not pursuing marriage. I\u2019m pursuing God with all my heart.\u201d I think that would set us free to have relationships that are really wholesome, and whole, and mature, and godly rather than based on a worldly view.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> If you don\u2019t panic, and you\u2019re not to pursue\u2014do you flirt with the opposite sex?\n\n<strong>Nancy:<\/strong> First Peter says, \u201cThe holy women of God trusted in God and the woman who trusts in God\u201d\u2014and I do.\n\n<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\nI really\u2014not all the time \/ not as I wish I would\u2014and not without panic in many areas of my life\u2014but deep, deep in my heart I do believe that God loves me, that He is sovereign, that He wants what\u2019s best for my life more than I could ever want it. He surely could figure it out better than I could ever figure it out.\n\nSo, honestly, I don\u2019t need to <em>flirt<\/em>. My goal in life is to please Him; and because I trust Him, it\u2019s not necessary to\u2014you know, I guess, flirting\u2014I don\u2019t know how you define it, but it certainly has something to do with drawing attention to myself and trying to gain something for myself. To live that way is\u2014not only perverse\u2014but it\u2019s contrary to the whole purpose for which God made me\u2014it puts me in bondage. I choose rather freedom, and freedom is to put my trust in the Lord.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, that is a younger, single Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth sharing about how God was at work in her life during her single years.\n\n<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\nI neglected to mention that the <em>Revive Our Hearts<\/em> theme music\u2014Keith Lynch is playing guitar. Our engineer played guitar on that theme music.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m telling you\u2014he\u2019s ambidextrous. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We have another friend, who joined us for an interview, to talk about marriage and to talk about the significance of the marriage vow. This is our friend, Alistair Begg.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014who\u2019s got a true southern accent.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Laughing] Southern Scotland.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Laughter] That\u2019s right. Alistair, of course, is heard on the daily radio program, <em>Truth for Life<\/em>. He pastors Parkside Church in Cleveland, Ohio. He\u2019s a well-known author and speaker.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And has a great cohost on the broadcast\u2014the announcer on that as well\u2014[Laughter]\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Bob: <\/strong><em>Truth for Life<\/em>. That\u2019s right: \u201cWhere the learning is for living.\u201d\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and that\u2019s Bob Lepine. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s a clip of our conversation with Alistair, talking about the wedding vow.\n\n[Previous Interview]\n\n<strong>Alistair:<\/strong> When you think about committing your life to another person \/ to another\u2014a stumbling bumbling person like yourself\u2014the language is going to be very, very important, especially, if it\u2019s going to be a continual reference point for us\u2014that we\u2019re coming back to it and saying, \u201cWell, don\u2019t you remember when we said such-and-such?\n\n<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\n\u201cWe said, \u2018\u2026better or worse.\u2019 This is a little worse, but we already covered that in what we said,\u201d\u2014that kind of thing.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There\u2019s a phrase that some pastors will use when they begin the vow part of a wedding, where they\u2019ll say, \u201cI solemnly charge you.\u201d That may have been said when I got married. I don\u2019t know if it was or not. Because even if it had been, I\u2019m not sure I would have understood what the preacher was trying to say. What\u2019s that all about\u2014that solemnly charges stuff?\n\n<strong>Alistair:<\/strong> The phrase can mean something; but unless the context is marked by a genuine sense of solemnity, what actually emerges\u2014not from the phraseology\u2014but from the conviction on the part of the couple and the person conducting the ceremony itself.\n\n<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\nI mean, the phraseology of solemnity, and reverence, and of awe, and all of those things is, I think, simply to remind this young couple that, although this is taking place in a very public forum\u2014and friends and family are there, and that\u2019s very meaningful\u2014it\u2019s actually taking place in view of Almighty God and that it is before God, ultimately, that they will stand to give an account of their response to His Son and their willingness to fulfill their obligations within the framework of marriage.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Alistair, let me ask you\u2014we\u2019ve talked about the weight of the marriage ceremony \/ about the vows\u2014and yet, the New Testament tells us that the wedding itself is really a picture. It\u2019s a type of something that is beyond a man and a woman coming together. God intends for it to point to a reality that goes beyond husband and wife.\n\n<strong>Alistair:<\/strong> Yes; which makes it even more significant\u2014doesn\u2019t it?\u2014in light of what we\u2019re saying\u2014that we would ever trivialize that.\n\n<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\nYes; Paul says that \u201cThis is\u201d\u2014\u201cThis is a great mystery.\u201d He says: \u201cI\u2019m talking about Christ and the church,\u201d\u2014and that, somehow or another, our marriages\u2014in terms of selfless devotion and fidelity towards one another\u2014are to speak and point away from ourselves to the immensity of God\u2019s covenant love for those who are His children. And the fact that we are betrothed to Him \/ that He will come for a lovely bride set apart for her husband, without spot, or wrinkle, or any other blemish; and that He is the One who is taking the initiative in setting His love upon us\u2014it takes us way beyond ourselves.\n\nAlso, you know, when you then come to the other side of it, and you say you are to love your wife the way that Christ loved the church, then if that doesn\u2019t solemnize you, I don\u2019t know really what will.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Again, that\u2019s Alistair Begg talking about wedding vows. He spoke at one of our <em>I Still Do<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage events. I remember\u2014it was <em>powerful<\/em>, and the audience was very grateful for his message.\n\n<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Very much so.\n\nIn fact, this next guest\u2014I\u2019ve got to tell you folks, this may be the best sting that Bob and I have ever pulled off with a radio guest. And get this, folks\u2014it occurred on his <em>home<\/em> turf.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let me give some backstory to this; okay?\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This was really, really fun! Listen to what happened.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We were starting an emphasis, here, at FamilyLife around adoption. Our friends out at <em>Focus on the Family<\/em> were also committed, passionately, to the issue of adoption. We were getting ready to promote the very first National Adoption Week. I called John Fuller, the cohost at <em>Focus on the Family<\/em>\u2014I said: \u201cWhat if we, on the same day, talked about our heart for adoption? Dennis could be a guest on <em>Focus on the Family<\/em>, and Dr. Dobson could be a guest on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Folks would hear us on each other\u2019s shows, talking about adoption.\u201d John said, \u201cGreat idea.\u201d We headed out to Colorado Springs to record both programs.\n\n<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m sitting out in Dr. Dobson\u2019s office with him; and he says: \u201cYou know, I\u2019ve been thinking about it, Dennis. Why don\u2019t we just do one program?\u2014and not do two\u2014where you and Bob are interviewing me. We\u2019ll just have one program, and I\u2019ll interview you guys.\u201d I said: \u201cNo; that\u2019s not going to work. [Laughter] Here\u2019s why\u2026\u201d It wasn\u2019t me trying to better him; it\u2019s because we had a unique sting that was all about adoption.\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We did. We had prerecorded an interview. We wanted Dr. Dobson to <em>hear<\/em> the interview that we had prerecorded during our interview with him.\n\n[Previous Interview]\n\n<strong>James:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got a lump in my throat already, and I don\u2019t even know what\u2019s coming.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You have a unique story just about how you came to be Ryan Dobson. Do you want to share that?\n\n<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> I do! When my sister was born, there were problems during her pregnancy\u2014so that my mom wasn\u2019t able to have more kids. They said, \u201cYou know, we\u2019ve got to do something.\u201d They decided they would pray for a miracle.\n\n<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\nThey committed to the Lord\u2014they were going to get on their knees, at the side of their bed every night, and pray. They did that for an entire year. For 365 straight days, they prayed, every night, on their knees beside their bed and nothing happened. They just kept right on praying\u2014one year turned into two, two quickly turned into three, and three turned into four. Four years go by\u2014nothing happens.\n\nRight about that time, there was a young couple\u2014they were in high school \/ they dated for a while. After a while, the girl said: \u201cThis isn\u2019t the guy that I want to marry. If I\u2019m not going to marry him, I better not keep being with him.\u201d They broke up. A short time later, she found out she was pregnant and didn\u2019t know what to do, and didn\u2019t know if she should tell her parents, and didn\u2019t want them to be upset or mad or disappointed. She finally couldn\u2019t take it\u2014she broke down one night \/ she told her parents. They didn\u2019t know what to do. They already had four kids, and one more mouth wasn\u2019t going to help things. The family debated what would they do: \u201cWere there any options available?\u201d\n\n<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\nSomeone at their church pointed them to the doors of a pregnancy care center. They started meeting with a counselor. There were a lot of tears shed as options were laid out and they were trying to decide what to do. The Lord took my parents\u2019 inability to have more kids, and he took that young couple\u2019s high school folly or indiscretion, and He matched it together. On August 31, 1970, my parents, Jim and Shirley, brought me home from an adoption center. And that\u2019s how I became a Dobson.\n\n<strong>James:<\/strong> You should have warned me about this, Dennis.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I did a little.\n\n<strong>James:<\/strong> Oh, that touches my heart.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What\u2019s going through your mind?\n\n<strong>James:<\/strong> Well, it just, again, takes me back to that era and what we were feeling.\n\n<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\nAnyone who has ever been infertile, even for a short period of time, knows the sorrow, and the disappointment, and the pain of having the wife come home again from the doctor\u2019s office and say: \u201cNo; not this time. Now, maybe later; but not yet,\u201d\u2014and to hear that over, and over, and over again, when your arms <em>ache<\/em> for a baby. And then to have the Lord put this beautiful little baby boy into your arms. [Laughter] We loved him from the moment we first saw him. This is just one of the happiest aspects of my entire life. Thank you, Ryan, for what you just said\u2014you got to me, man. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You know, before we leave this topic of Ryan\u2019s appreciation for you adopting\u2014you and Shirley adopting him\u2014we asked for one last little piece to be recorded, Jim.\n\n<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\nI want our listeners to eavesdrop as Ryan turns to you and Shirley and has some words of appreciation for your courage \/ your faith to step out and to offer a home to a child who might not have had one\n\n<strong>James:<\/strong> Oh my.\n\n<strong>Ryan:<\/strong>\n\nMom and Dad, I just appreciate <em>so much<\/em> the sacrifices that you made to get me\u2014and to understand that so much more so, now, that I\u2019ve got my own son. It really is about a faith issue. It\u2019s trusting in God to go through that turmoil. To think someone did that for me\u2014I didn\u2019t understand it for many, many years; but because you latched on to me, I was no longer in a foster home. I was no longer wondering whose family I\u2019d be, but I was instantly accepted into a family. And it was, instantly, my family.\n\nSeeing you, Mom, today, in the National Day of Prayer and the impact you have upon\u2014not just this country\u2014but this <em>world<\/em> through prayer, I have no doubt that part of that was started when you started praying for me so long ago.\n\n<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\nI\u2019ve come home, many nights in high school and in college, and crept into the house, hoping not to wake anybody, and hear voices from your room. And to walk in and see you guys on your knees. Words can\u2019t describe what that does to know that I have parents on their knees, every night, praying for me and asking the Lord for protection. It made all the difference in the world. Anytime I was going through a crisis, I knew, without a shadow of a doubt, somebody out there would pray for me every night; and that was you and Dad.\n\nAnd Dad, growing up in the household, I am who I am because of you. I am a Dobson. And to be raised in a household and to see, daily, someone stand up for the Word of God and to follow God, even when it seems like it\u2019s not making sense, that changes people.\n\n<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\nI have the greatest situation because I have parents who\u2014not only modeled faith in God, unlike any other place I could get\u2014but they modeled a healthy, loving relationship. You\u2019ve been married for over 40 years. I hope to have that someday. I appreciate it, and I love you guys. And I know you\u2019re going to be great, great, great grandparents. [Laughter]\n\n<strong>James:<\/strong> Ryan, just let me tell you that, when we were on our knees there, praying for you, what we were praying for, over and over again, was that God would make you a man of God with a passion for Jesus Christ. He has <em>answered<\/em> that prayer.\n\n<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\nAnd see you speaking all over the country, and see people responding to you, and carrying that same message\u2014that your great grandfather, and your grandfather, and your father had such a passion for\u2014is one of the great thrills of my life. It\u2019s been a privilege being your father.\n\n[Studio]\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> [Laughter] That was a sweet moment; wasn\u2019t it?\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It was a <em>great<\/em> moment. And to take Dr. Dobson by surprise and to know that was a meaningful interchange between a father and a son\u2014that I don\u2019t know that they would have had that conversation unless somebody nudged it\u2014right?\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; you just don\u2019t know. But what a privilege to do radio, Bob, with you for 25 years\u2014and to interview folks like John Piper, Nancy Leigh DeMoss Wolgemuth, Alistair Begg, and Dr. Dobson. What a privilege to bring these kinds of folks into the cars, living rooms, kitchens, workplaces of listeners all over the country.\n\n<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and we have some faithful listeners, who have not only tuned in regularly, but a lot of folks, who have come alongside and said: \u201cWe want to see the impact of this ministry expand. We want to help you reach more people.\u201d They understand the mission; and they say: \u201cWe\u2019re in. We want to see it expanded.\u201d We\u2019re grateful for those who have partnered with us over the years.\n\n<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We are. I just want to close, saying: \u201cThank you for caring about your family and the families of others and for giving, because your giving keeps <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> on the air, going strong. It even allows <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> to help start other radio ministries, like we did with Nancy Leigh DeMoss Wolgemuth, 15 years ago.\u201d\n\n<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. Well, and it\u2019s easy to give, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can call to donate at 1-800-FL-TODAY. You can also mail your donation to us at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223.\n\n<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\nIf you want to give a dollar a year for each year we\u2019ve been on the air\u2014that would be 25 bucks. If there are two of you listening in your house, you might make it $50\u2014I mean, whatever you\u2019re able to do to help support the ministry\u2014we appreciate your participation.\n\nAnd we hope you can join us back tomorrow when we\u2019re going to hear from some of the new young voices who are speaking out about marriage and family. We\u2019ll hear from J.D. Greear, David Platt, Francis Chan, and Jen Wilkin tomorrow. Hope you can be with us for all of that.\n\nI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\n<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; a Cru<sup>\u00ae <\/sup>Ministry.\n\nHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\n<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\nWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. 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