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Did you spend more time with the Lord yesterday\u2014or more time checking out FaceBook? Sara Hagerty said she\u2019s had to make some adjustments in her own life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> I\u2019ve actually found its more life-giving for me to set my phone in one place and check it a couple of times a day and not have it sitting in front of me and actually talk with God or have my Bible open next to my nursing chair where I\u2019m actually just reading the word and letting that speak over me more than what my friend from the second grade is now doing with her seven year old daughter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, October 18<sup>th. <\/sup>Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. What are some ways we can grow in our relationship with the God who loves us? We\u2019ll explore that today with our guest, Sara Hagerty. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I\u2019m just going to cut out the middle man today, Barbara.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh! [Laughter] No, \u201cWelcome to this broadcast?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He\u2019s skating near thin ice\u2014and he knows it\u2014a career limiting move.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s just about time that we get\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> How funny.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Welcome to the broadcast, Sweetheart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Thanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. Go ahead and introduce our guest since he tossed it to you\u2014I\u2019m out of here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Ok; well, I\u2019ll try\u2014this will be fun. Our guest today is my new friend, Sara Hagerty. We actually met a few years ago\u2014but we didn\u2019t have this kind of conversation so this is a real treat. Sara has written a new book\u2014that I\u2019ve read and I highly recommend our listeners getting it and reading it because I think it\u2019s worth it\u2014the book is titled <em>Unseen<\/em> and the subtitle I <em>really<\/em> like\u2014<em>The Gift of Being Hidden in a World That Loves to be Noticed. <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sara, the reason that you\u2019re on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is because Barbara came and said, \u201cWe have to get Sara on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Oh, that\u2019s great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So your friend has paved the way for you to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What was it you wanted to talk to her about?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, one of the things that I liked about her book\u2014that we\u2019ve already talked about this week\u2014is the idea that we can talk to God at anytime and anyplace. We sort of know that because we know that God is present everywhere\u2014but we don\u2019t think about talking to Him every day\u2014everywhere. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, what I would like to hear more from you on, Sara, is how do those moments\u2014because you\u2019ve described them as holy\u2014I think we need to know more about what that looks like because\u2014if the listeners are like me\u2014we tend to think holy when we think church. We think, \u201cOkay, quiet time.\u201d Or it has to look and feel a certain way. So, how is a moment doing the laundry\u2014or sitting at the DMV\u2014and communicating with God? What makes that holy and what does that look like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> That\u2019s a great question. I think\u2014first of all\u2014it would help to just acknowledge\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014to commune with God\u2014in those kind of off beaten paths of our day\u2014is actually a lot of the time\u2014awkward at first. I think if we\u2019re all honest we don\u2019t do it because it feels comfortable to drink a cup of coffee and open our Bible at 7:00 a.m. It feels a little more uncomfortable at 2:00 in the afternoon\u2014when we could be doing a lot of other things\u2014or while we\u2019re sorting socks, or while we\u2019re at the DMV. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I think at least start off saying, \u201cIt\u2019s really normal that it feels uncomfortable for us to come before God at odd times of the day.\u201d Bridging that gap and going, \u201cThis feels a little uncomfortable\u2014but I want to do it\u2014but I want to see what it\u2019s like to engage with God\u201d\u2014might be the first step. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me there\u2019s one habit that I have picked up\u2014in the past seven or so years\u2014that has been pretty paramount to communing with God during the day\u2014it\u2019s adoration. A friend of mine\u2014years ago\u2014we were sitting in a coffee shop and she was just hearing me talk about my day and my life. Looking back on it, she was probably picking up a lot of cynicism and a lot of negativity, just in terms of how I was feeling about my life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe said to me, \u201cHey, have you tried the habit of adoration?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cWell, adoration\u2014Adoration, Confession, Thanksgiving, Supplication. Sure, of course! Don\u2019t\u2019 we all adore God?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe said, \u201cNo, actually like using\u2014taking pieces of God\u2019s word and speaking them back to Him in adoration. Just try it.\u201d She suggested, \u201cStart with the Psalms\u2014just start to talk to God with His word,\u201d which seemed pretty simple, but honestly\u2014getting into it\u2014I acknowledge it was a little bit awkward\u2014to talk to Him outside of the dedicated time in my day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me adoration looked like, \u201cOkay Lord, if You want to show me Your eye\u2019s on me in the middle of the day, I\u2019m going to come right where I am. I\u2019m not going to wait till I can clean it up. I\u2019m not going to wait until I have all the counters clean and sit down and a candle lit. I\u2019m actually just going to talk to You while I\u2019m carrying the laundry up the stairs. Here I am carrying the laundry up the stairs and I\u2019ve got one verse that I\u2019ve chosen for that day that\u2019s going to my verse where I\u2019m adoring Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve already\u2014earlier in the week\u2014talked about Psalm 139. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere I am carrying the laundry up the stairs and my first thought is\u2014because I\u2019m coming to God right as I am\u2014which, I think, is part of the key to it being holy is\u2014He knows us\u2014He knows us right where we are. So, I\u2019m going up the stairs going, \u201cI\u2019ve got a college degree and I\u2019m carrying laundry up the stairs.\u201d [Laughter] I\u2019m feeling\u00a0 grumpy and I feel like I\u2019m going to be carrying this same load of laundry up the stairs tomorrow. Nobody is going to see this\u2014and I\u2019m not going to tell anybody this at 5:00\u2014but it feels pretty useless. I\u2019m carrying it up the stairs. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOkay, the starting point is, \u201cI feel grumpy, but Lord, your word tells me in Psalm 139, You searched me and You know me.\u201d So I just start saying that to Him. \u201cYou search me and You know me and You know this minute right now. You see me and You see me with my college degree pouring out my life for my children and\u2014You love it. Your word tells me You\u2019re acquainted with <em>all<\/em> my ways\u2014so even right now You have kind eyes toward me. Right now I\u2019m Your daughter.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m kind of dialoguing with Him using His word\u2014that\u2019s adoration from me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know if you\u2019re familiar with Don Whitney who is a professor at Southern Seminary, but he\u2019s written a book called <em>Praying the Word<\/em> where he just talks about using God\u2019s word as a guide to how we pray\u2014describing very much what you\u2019re doing here\u2014which is just using God\u2019s word as the prompt to pray back to Him what you read in His word. There is something there\u2014there is something about the living and active and sharper that a two edged word of God that takes us places we would not go ourselves; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> That\u2019s exactly right! John 6:63 says, \u201cThe words that I speak to you are spirit and they are life.\u201d You ask a mom with a lot of young children if at noon or at 12:30\u2014after she\u2019s cleaned up from lunch and she knows she\u2019s got to dinner in a couple of hours\u2014if she feels spirit and life? Chances are she\u2019s going to say, \u201cNo.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut if we can actually go, \u201cGod, you see this moment\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and if I let Your word speak into it right now, there might actually be an opportunity for sprit and life.\u201d Those mundane moments look <em>really<\/em> different. It doesn\u2019t look like I\u2019m just going through a ticker tape\u2014checking of all the things on my list. Instead, every minute of this day was ordained by You, God. If I can engage with Your word and with Spirit, there can actually be life on cleaning the toilet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Barbara, you commented as you read Sara\u2019s book that you were struck by how she is encouraging us to practice the presence of God and how\u2014when you first starting doing that\u2014it was so unnatural to talk with God. I think we probably have a lot of listeners who are kind of going\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cTalk with God while carrying laundry up the steps?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You just skipped over\u2014I mean you used the phrase the title of Brother Lawrence\u2019s book from years ago called <em>Practicing the Presence of God<\/em>\u2014but you stop and think about that. It is something you have to <em>practice<\/em>\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it is something you have to be consciously aware of. God is <em>with<\/em> us\u2014He is omnipresent\u2014so He\u2019s always with us\u2014but we\u2019re not always conscious of His presence. We have to practice that; don\u2019t we?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> We <em>choose<\/em> to have a relationship with God, and that means investing in that relationship, just like we do in a friendship. In our marriage if Dennis and I don\u2019t choose and focus on getting to know each other\u2014communicating and talking about our day, talking about what we\u2019re learning\u2014our relationship isn\u2019t going to grow. Our relationship with God is no different. Somehow we\u2019ve put it on another plane and we don\u2019t think we relate to God in the same way we relate to one another as people\u2014but God is a person and we relate to Him in the same way\u2014and that\u2019s what He invites us to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Before we started today, Dennis was saying that when he wakes up, he\u2019s got his <em>Bible<\/em> and his <em>Wall Street Journal<\/em> laying right by his bed and he has to kind of look at which one he\u2019s going to pick. You said that; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I did\u2014except it\u2019s not by my bed. It\u2019s by my\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014his favorite chair. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014kind of my throne downstairs. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Throne.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Barbara gave me this for a birthday present. I\u2019ve got this black chair I enjoy sitting in and pull out my Bible and reading\u2014but my Bible and the newspaper\u2014and I know some of our listeners don\u2019t know what a newspaper is. [Laughter] Sara looked at me and said, \u201cYou get <em>that<\/em>? You get a newspaper?\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> The last man standing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s the point. We do have\u2014God has a lot of competition today for our time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> That\u2019s exactly right!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> That\u2019s a great way to put it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and there\u2019s a lot of stuff that feels more urgent\u2014maybe not more important\u2014but more urgent\u2014 \u201cI better get to this\u201d. How do you get past this clamor for your attention from the rest of the world and say instead, \u201cNow I\u2019m going to spend time with God?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> I think it is similar to what we talked about earlier\u2014and in 2 Corinthians 12 where God says, \u201cMy power is made perfect in weakness.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is a different currency in the kingdom of God\u2014which is\u2014when we are weak, He moves. Just this winter\u2014right after we had our sixth child\u2014and I\u2019m having a conversation with God going, \u201cHow can one person parent all these children?\u201d\u2014and not just the number of them\u2014but four of our children having been adopted. It feels like their heart needs\u2014at times\u2014are great\u2014and too great for two parents to steward. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Lord reminded me of the gospel account of Jesus feeding 5,000. I went to that account and in it\u2014I think we as humans might go, \u201cWell I brought five loaves and two fish. He brought seven loaves and three fish. He brought six loaves and one fish.\u201d Yet all Jesus said to the disciples was, \u201cBring me what you have.\u201d Then He did a miracle. When I looked at that account\u2014and I was just talking to God about it\u2014I just felt like God was inviting me saying, \u201cBring me what you have.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I do think when we face that ever present need to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014tap into information that is slipping through our fingers\u2014there is also this still small voice. It\u2019s in His word that tells us, \u201cThere is a different way and you know what, Sara? When you invest in the different way\u2014which ultimately is weakness and\u2014in a sense\u2014it\u2019s a fast of your time. It is fasting your time to spend time with God. When you do that, I come in immeasurable ways in My power. When you choose to subject yourself to the weakness of putting yourself in front of Me\u2014of fasting your time\u2014of giving Me even some of the first fruits\u2014some of the best parts of your day\u2014I\u2019ll come and I\u2019ll multiply when you put your hand to the plow.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> One of the ways this manifested itself with Barbara and me as we raised our six, is we had a prayer that we called the prayer of the helpless parent. Speaking of weakness, \u201cI\u2019ve done all I can do God, I don\u2019t have anything left to bring. Would You help me? Would You help?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWould You break through in this child\u2019s life?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause no matter how hard you try to put the Scriptures into their hearts, convictions\u2014which is meaning they\u2019re digesting the Scripture and they\u2019re coming to conclusions about life\u2014and they\u2019re going to live a certain way because God said to. That doesn\u2019t come natural for a child\u2014and that\u2019s when a parent has to pray that prayer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think sometimes I just envision God going, \u201cSo you\u2019re done trying to spin your own wheels to make this happen?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> [Laughter] \u201cFinally?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cYou\u2019re going to kind of relent and let Me take over? Okay; all right. Let\u2019s see what we can do here.\u201d I mean because oftentimes it\u2019s, \u201cOkay, I\u2019ve tried everything\u201d and God\u2019s like, \u201cThat\u2019s kind of the point;\u201d right? As you\u2019re fasting\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> I intentionally take time that I could otherwise be catching up on life\u2014and even on the news to some extent\u2014on social media. I intentionally take that time to sit before God throughout my day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve found that even more than just the morning quiet time\u2014which is really real\u2014and I do that every day\u2014as best as I can before my kids wake up\u2014if they don\u2019t wake up. I have actually found it\u2019s more life-giving for me to set my phone in one place and check it a couple of times a day and not have it sitting in front of me\u2014and actually talk with God or have my Bible open next to my nursing chair where I\u2019m actually just reading the word and letting that speak over me more than what my friend from the second grade is now doing with her seven year old daughter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. So this is back to being purposeful\u2014being deliberate\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014being intentional. Not just saying, \u201cWell, when the mood hits, I\u2019ll go there,\u201d but saying, \u201cNo, I\u2019m going to strategically figure out how I put this in my life at every nook and cranny so I\u2019m always there.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> I\u2019ve found that I have to be really intentional about it and I think it is different for every person\u2014but for me right now\u2014if I want to be present with my six kids\u2014and I\u2019m also writing\u2014occasionally speaking\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\u2014the margins of my life right now for my survival\u2014they need to be tapping into His word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Physically\u2014where is your phone in the morning\u2014when you sit down to read your Bible? How far away is it from your Bible and where you sit reading the Bible? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Oh, it\u2019s right there. I mean my husband is usually away in the morning, so I have my phone in case he texts me so it\u2019s not so much. During the day I keep my phone plugged in near my bedside table so I actually have to walk to go get it, [Laughter]\u00a0 because if it\u2019s in my hands, I\u2019m going to look at it\u2014I mean that\u2019s just the truth for me. But yes\u2014during the morning\u2014it\u2019s right there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019ve had times when Mary Ann and I have been in the kitchen and her phone\u2014it\u2019s over on her desk\u2014and it dings because there is a tweet, there\u2019s an alert, there\u2019s a\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014And you twitch! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014I\u2019ll hear it ding and I\u2019ll watch her not jump\u2014and then it will ding a second time or a third time and she still has not moved\u2014and I\u2019m going, \u201cHoney, honey\u2014\u201c and she goes, \u201cYes, I\u2019ll get to that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m like, \u201cHow can you not be instant\u2014how can you not immediately go to whatever is calling you?\u201d Then when mine buzzes and I go immediately and find out that it\u2019s Papa Murphy\u2019s for a new offer for the taco pizza. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And what does Mary Ann say to you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cPut the phone down, honey. Can we just have a real one on one conversation here?\u201d [Laughter] I know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That really brings me to a question. As you\u2019re developing your relationship with God\u2014you\u2019re raising your kids\u2014how do you protect your marriage and your relationship with Nate?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Practically speaking there\u2019s three things we do that we\u2019ve both found have to be in our schedule for us and our marriage. We go on a weekly date. We take\u2014with our first two kids\u2014once we brought them home\u2014we said one time a year we\u2019re going to get away. With our second two\u2014and because four were adopted\u2014which just adds challenges and new dynamics to a family\u2014we said, \u201cTwice a year we\u2019re going to get away.\u201d And then with our last two, we said, \u201cThree times a year.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis year\u2019s a little bit challenging because we\u2019ve got a baby\u2014but we\u2019ve just found that it\u2019s critical for us to get away together. Then we do have one time a day\u20148:00 in the morning. Nate goes off in the morning\u2014he spends some time alone with the Lord outside the house. He comes back at 8:00 am\u2014we check in for 30 minutes\u2014kids know don\u2019t interrupt\u2014if you do, you might get a snarl\u2014and for 30 minutes we just have a little day check in, pray. Life is too full right now for us to just <em>hope<\/em> that it happens\u2014it just doesn\u2019t happen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We took a walk after work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Oh, I love that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We walked around our yard and it was bit of a two edged sword. It would give us some sweet time of conversation but, Sweetheart, what would you notice as you walked around the yard?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes, I noticed all the things that needed to be done\u2014all the weeds I needed to pull and that kind of thing. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> All of the plants that she wanted to move\u2014she never met a plant she didn\u2019t want to move three or four times.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s part of her DNA.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> That makes such a great story!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes, well\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The yard hadn\u2019t changed. I mean from\u2014you know\u2014from month to month there is some different color in our garden, but we\u2019d just be walking by the same rock pile or the same weed\u2014patch of weeds\u2014but it would give us a chance to debrief about our day before we walked back into\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> The circus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014six human beings\u2014a three ring circus. You know\u2014you have six. You have to find some ways though, to build islands of clarity where you can communicate with one another and tell each other what\u2019s going on in your lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and we\u2019ve been talking about your relationship with God being purposeful and intentional. Your relationship with your spouse has to be purposeful and intentional. Your relationship with your kids has to be purposeful and intentional. If those are\u2014in fact\u2014the three most significant relationships in anybody\u2019s life\u2014your relationship with God, your relationship with family\u2014with spouse and with family\u2014then you <em>better<\/em> build in the disciplines\u2014the time,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0the intentionality\u2014or those relationships will drift.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> That\u2019s exactly right. And that, you know\u2014in some ways\u2014that is what my book is about. When we have these pockets of time that we might otherwise resent because they seem like they\u2019re pulling us away from the pace of life or the impact or the outward productivity\u2014they actually really are a gift. We get to get quiet\u2014we get to re-pattern our lives according to what we choose\u2014instead of letting the world choose that for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, Sara, I have really appreciated you being on the program. Barbara is batting a 1000 in terms of her guests that she has recommend being on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. I want you to know that you are keeping that record fully intact.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As we\u2019ve been talking, I\u2018ve been thinking about\u2014this is all about a message I used to hear the founder and president of Campus Crusade for Christ\u2014that was the organization\u2019s name then\u2014Bill Bright used to give to all of us as staff members. It was from Revelation chapter 2. It was about recapturing your first love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRevelation chapter 2\u2014the apostle John is talking about some messages to different churches. The church he\u2019s addressing in chapter 2 is Ephesus. This is just kind of what we have been talking about here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tListen to this. He said, \u201cI know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. I know you are enduring patiently and bearing up for my name\u2019s sake, and you\u2019ve not grown weary.\u201d Now that doesn\u2019t speak of a mom\u2014moms do grow weary\u2014but then he says, \u201cBut I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first.\u201d Then he goes on to talk about repenting and doing the deeds you did at first\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that means cultivating the relationship you had with God originally. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs you were talking, I couldn\u2019t help but think of a statement when I was first cutting my spiritual molars a number of years ago\u2014it was this kind of a statement, it says, \u201cIf you and God aren\u2019t as close as you used to be, then don\u2019t be deceived about who moved.\u201d God hasn\u2019t stopped loving you\u2014He hasn\u2019t stopped pursuing a relationship with you. You\u2019re the one who is overworked, overtired, ignoring or just not being intentional about turning around and facing Him and listening to His voice. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just really appreciate your book. I appreciate what you\u2019ve written here and how you\u2019re exhorting all of us to turn back to the God that we are to love with all our heart, soul, and mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Barbara, who should get a copy of the book?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, all women for sure, because I think it really speaks to women, the idea of being unseen I think is uniquely a message for women\u2014but I think it would be great if some men decided to pick it up too! How\u2019s that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s good. So women and men\u2014anybody who would be in those two categories.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> [Laughter] I think that about sums it up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We do have copies. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That is in Genesis chapter 1, I think\u2014that does cover who God made\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> That does cover it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014male and female.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We do have copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. By the way, I should just mention this. During the program I got a text from our engineer: 65% of <em>Wall Street Journal<\/em> readers read the print edition\u2014so there you go!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> See! There you go!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Shame on you, Sara!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014saying that about me\u2014 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> What is the age range of the <em>Wall Street Journal<\/em> reader?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let\u2019s not go there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> No, let\u2019s not do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Let\u2019s not talk about average age of readers of the <em>Wall Street Journal.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Again, we do have copies of Sara\u2019s book called <em>Unseen<\/em>. It\u2019s in our FamilyLife Today Resource Center.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can order it from us online at FamiiyLifeToday.com\u2014or you can call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again the website FamilyLifeToday.com. The title of the book is <em>Unseen: The Gift of Being Hidden in a World That Loves to Be Noticed<\/em> by Sara Hagerty. You can also order by calling 1-800-358-6329. 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in Family, \u201cL\u201d as in Life, and then the word \u201cTODAY\u201d.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMost of the time when folks tune in to our program, we\u2019re talking about marriage relationships or about parenting or about family relationships and the challenges that can go with all of that. Today we were talking about our relationship with God\u2014that\u2019s because we believe that marriage and family relationships flow out of whatever kind of relationship with God we have. If we don\u2019t have a relationship with God, that\u2019s going to affect our marriage and family relationships. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf we have a distant relationship with God, that\u2019s going to have an impact. Our goal here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is to effectively develop Godly marriages and families. It all starts with cultivating a deeper, more intimate relationship with the God who created us. That\u2019s foundation to everything we do here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe appreciate those of you who help extend the reach of this ministry. Every time you make a donation, you\u2019re helping us reach more people, more often with more help and more hope. That\u2019s our desire here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. You make that happen with your donations, so thanks for your partnership. 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Sara Hagerty said she\u2019s had to make some adjustments in her own life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> I\u2019ve actually found its more life-giving for me to set my phone in one place and check it a couple of times a day and not have it sitting in front of me and actually talk with God or have my Bible open next to my nursing chair where I\u2019m actually just reading the word and letting that speak over me more than what my friend from the second grade is now doing with her seven year old daughter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, October 18<sup>th. <\/sup>Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. What are some ways we can grow in our relationship with the God who loves us? We\u2019ll explore that today with our guest, Sara Hagerty. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I\u2019m just going to cut out the middle man today, Barbara.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh! [Laughter] No, \u201cWelcome to this broadcast?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He\u2019s skating near thin ice\u2014and he knows it\u2014a career limiting move.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s just about time that we get\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> How funny.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Welcome to the broadcast, Sweetheart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Thanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. 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Sara has written a new book\u2014that I\u2019ve read and I highly recommend our listeners getting it and reading it because I think it\u2019s worth it\u2014the book is titled <em>Unseen<\/em> and the subtitle I <em>really<\/em> like\u2014<em>The Gift of Being Hidden in a World That Loves to be Noticed. <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sara, the reason that you\u2019re on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is because Barbara came and said, \u201cWe have to get Sara on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Oh, that\u2019s great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So your friend has paved the way for you to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What was it you wanted to talk to her about?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, one of the things that I liked about her book\u2014that we\u2019ve already talked about this week\u2014is the idea that we can talk to God at anytime and anyplace. We sort of know that because we know that God is present everywhere\u2014but we don\u2019t think about talking to Him every day\u2014everywhere. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, what I would like to hear more from you on, Sara, is how do those moments\u2014because you\u2019ve described them as holy\u2014I think we need to know more about what that looks like because\u2014if the listeners are like me\u2014we tend to think holy when we think church. We think, \u201cOkay, quiet time.\u201d Or it has to look and feel a certain way. So, how is a moment doing the laundry\u2014or sitting at the DMV\u2014and communicating with God? What makes that holy and what does that look like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> That\u2019s a great question. I think\u2014first of all\u2014it would help to just acknowledge\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014to commune with God\u2014in those kind of off beaten paths of our day\u2014is actually a lot of the time\u2014awkward at first. I think if we\u2019re all honest we don\u2019t do it because it feels comfortable to drink a cup of coffee and open our Bible at 7:00 a.m. It feels a little more uncomfortable at 2:00 in the afternoon\u2014when we could be doing a lot of other things\u2014or while we\u2019re sorting socks, or while we\u2019re at the DMV. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I think at least start off saying, \u201cIt\u2019s really normal that it feels uncomfortable for us to come before God at odd times of the day.\u201d Bridging that gap and going, \u201cThis feels a little uncomfortable\u2014but I want to do it\u2014but I want to see what it\u2019s like to engage with God\u201d\u2014might be the first step. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me there\u2019s one habit that I have picked up\u2014in the past seven or so years\u2014that has been pretty paramount to communing with God during the day\u2014it\u2019s adoration. A friend of mine\u2014years ago\u2014we were sitting in a coffee shop and she was just hearing me talk about my day and my life. Looking back on it, she was probably picking up a lot of cynicism and a lot of negativity, just in terms of how I was feeling about my life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe said to me, \u201cHey, have you tried the habit of adoration?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cWell, adoration\u2014Adoration, Confession, Thanksgiving, Supplication. Sure, of course! Don\u2019t\u2019 we all adore God?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe said, \u201cNo, actually like using\u2014taking pieces of God\u2019s word and speaking them back to Him in adoration. Just try it.\u201d She suggested, \u201cStart with the Psalms\u2014just start to talk to God with His word,\u201d which seemed pretty simple, but honestly\u2014getting into it\u2014I acknowledge it was a little bit awkward\u2014to talk to Him outside of the dedicated time in my day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me adoration looked like, \u201cOkay Lord, if You want to show me Your eye\u2019s on me in the middle of the day, I\u2019m going to come right where I am. I\u2019m not going to wait till I can clean it up. I\u2019m not going to wait until I have all the counters clean and sit down and a candle lit. I\u2019m actually just going to talk to You while I\u2019m carrying the laundry up the stairs. Here I am carrying the laundry up the stairs and I\u2019ve got one verse that I\u2019ve chosen for that day that\u2019s going to my verse where I\u2019m adoring Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve already\u2014earlier in the week\u2014talked about Psalm 139. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere I am carrying the laundry up the stairs and my first thought is\u2014because I\u2019m coming to God right as I am\u2014which, I think, is part of the key to it being holy is\u2014He knows us\u2014He knows us right where we are. So, I\u2019m going up the stairs going, \u201cI\u2019ve got a college degree and I\u2019m carrying laundry up the stairs.\u201d [Laughter] I\u2019m feeling\u00a0 grumpy and I feel like I\u2019m going to be carrying this same load of laundry up the stairs tomorrow. Nobody is going to see this\u2014and I\u2019m not going to tell anybody this at 5:00\u2014but it feels pretty useless. I\u2019m carrying it up the stairs. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOkay, the starting point is, \u201cI feel grumpy, but Lord, your word tells me in Psalm 139, You searched me and You know me.\u201d So I just start saying that to Him. \u201cYou search me and You know me and You know this minute right now. You see me and You see me with my college degree pouring out my life for my children and\u2014You love it. Your word tells me You\u2019re acquainted with <em>all<\/em> my ways\u2014so even right now You have kind eyes toward me. Right now I\u2019m Your daughter.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m kind of dialoguing with Him using His word\u2014that\u2019s adoration from me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know if you\u2019re familiar with Don Whitney who is a professor at Southern Seminary, but he\u2019s written a book called <em>Praying the Word<\/em> where he just talks about using God\u2019s word as a guide to how we pray\u2014describing very much what you\u2019re doing here\u2014which is just using God\u2019s word as the prompt to pray back to Him what you read in His word. There is something there\u2014there is something about the living and active and sharper that a two edged word of God that takes us places we would not go ourselves; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> That\u2019s exactly right! John 6:63 says, \u201cThe words that I speak to you are spirit and they are life.\u201d You ask a mom with a lot of young children if at noon or at 12:30\u2014after she\u2019s cleaned up from lunch and she knows she\u2019s got to dinner in a couple of hours\u2014if she feels spirit and life? Chances are she\u2019s going to say, \u201cNo.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut if we can actually go, \u201cGod, you see this moment\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and if I let Your word speak into it right now, there might actually be an opportunity for sprit and life.\u201d Those mundane moments look <em>really<\/em> different. It doesn\u2019t look like I\u2019m just going through a ticker tape\u2014checking of all the things on my list. Instead, every minute of this day was ordained by You, God. If I can engage with Your word and with Spirit, there can actually be life on cleaning the toilet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Barbara, you commented as you read Sara\u2019s book that you were struck by how she is encouraging us to practice the presence of God and how\u2014when you first starting doing that\u2014it was so unnatural to talk with God. I think we probably have a lot of listeners who are kind of going\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cTalk with God while carrying laundry up the steps?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You just skipped over\u2014I mean you used the phrase the title of Brother Lawrence\u2019s book from years ago called <em>Practicing the Presence of God<\/em>\u2014but you stop and think about that. It is something you have to <em>practice<\/em>\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it is something you have to be consciously aware of. God is <em>with<\/em> us\u2014He is omnipresent\u2014so He\u2019s always with us\u2014but we\u2019re not always conscious of His presence. We have to practice that; don\u2019t we?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> We <em>choose<\/em> to have a relationship with God, and that means investing in that relationship, just like we do in a friendship. In our marriage if Dennis and I don\u2019t choose and focus on getting to know each other\u2014communicating and talking about our day, talking about what we\u2019re learning\u2014our relationship isn\u2019t going to grow. Our relationship with God is no different. Somehow we\u2019ve put it on another plane and we don\u2019t think we relate to God in the same way we relate to one another as people\u2014but God is a person and we relate to Him in the same way\u2014and that\u2019s what He invites us to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Before we started today, Dennis was saying that when he wakes up, he\u2019s got his <em>Bible<\/em> and his <em>Wall Street Journal<\/em> laying right by his bed and he has to kind of look at which one he\u2019s going to pick. You said that; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I did\u2014except it\u2019s not by my bed. It\u2019s by my\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014his favorite chair. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014kind of my throne downstairs. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Throne.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Barbara gave me this for a birthday present. I\u2019ve got this black chair I enjoy sitting in and pull out my Bible and reading\u2014but my Bible and the newspaper\u2014and I know some of our listeners don\u2019t know what a newspaper is. [Laughter] Sara looked at me and said, \u201cYou get <em>that<\/em>? You get a newspaper?\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> The last man standing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s the point. We do have\u2014God has a lot of competition today for our time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> That\u2019s exactly right!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> That\u2019s a great way to put it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and there\u2019s a lot of stuff that feels more urgent\u2014maybe not more important\u2014but more urgent\u2014 \u201cI better get to this\u201d. How do you get past this clamor for your attention from the rest of the world and say instead, \u201cNow I\u2019m going to spend time with God?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> I think it is similar to what we talked about earlier\u2014and in 2 Corinthians 12 where God says, \u201cMy power is made perfect in weakness.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is a different currency in the kingdom of God\u2014which is\u2014when we are weak, He moves. Just this winter\u2014right after we had our sixth child\u2014and I\u2019m having a conversation with God going, \u201cHow can one person parent all these children?\u201d\u2014and not just the number of them\u2014but four of our children having been adopted. It feels like their heart needs\u2014at times\u2014are great\u2014and too great for two parents to steward. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Lord reminded me of the gospel account of Jesus feeding 5,000. I went to that account and in it\u2014I think we as humans might go, \u201cWell I brought five loaves and two fish. He brought seven loaves and three fish. He brought six loaves and one fish.\u201d Yet all Jesus said to the disciples was, \u201cBring me what you have.\u201d Then He did a miracle. When I looked at that account\u2014and I was just talking to God about it\u2014I just felt like God was inviting me saying, \u201cBring me what you have.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I do think when we face that ever present need to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014tap into information that is slipping through our fingers\u2014there is also this still small voice. It\u2019s in His word that tells us, \u201cThere is a different way and you know what, Sara? When you invest in the different way\u2014which ultimately is weakness and\u2014in a sense\u2014it\u2019s a fast of your time. It is fasting your time to spend time with God. When you do that, I come in immeasurable ways in My power. When you choose to subject yourself to the weakness of putting yourself in front of Me\u2014of fasting your time\u2014of giving Me even some of the first fruits\u2014some of the best parts of your day\u2014I\u2019ll come and I\u2019ll multiply when you put your hand to the plow.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> One of the ways this manifested itself with Barbara and me as we raised our six, is we had a prayer that we called the prayer of the helpless parent. Speaking of weakness, \u201cI\u2019ve done all I can do God, I don\u2019t have anything left to bring. Would You help me? Would You help?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWould You break through in this child\u2019s life?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause no matter how hard you try to put the Scriptures into their hearts, convictions\u2014which is meaning they\u2019re digesting the Scripture and they\u2019re coming to conclusions about life\u2014and they\u2019re going to live a certain way because God said to. That doesn\u2019t come natural for a child\u2014and that\u2019s when a parent has to pray that prayer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think sometimes I just envision God going, \u201cSo you\u2019re done trying to spin your own wheels to make this happen?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> [Laughter] \u201cFinally?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cYou\u2019re going to kind of relent and let Me take over? Okay; all right. Let\u2019s see what we can do here.\u201d I mean because oftentimes it\u2019s, \u201cOkay, I\u2019ve tried everything\u201d and God\u2019s like, \u201cThat\u2019s kind of the point;\u201d right? As you\u2019re fasting\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> I intentionally take time that I could otherwise be catching up on life\u2014and even on the news to some extent\u2014on social media. I intentionally take that time to sit before God throughout my day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve found that even more than just the morning quiet time\u2014which is really real\u2014and I do that every day\u2014as best as I can before my kids wake up\u2014if they don\u2019t wake up. I have actually found it\u2019s more life-giving for me to set my phone in one place and check it a couple of times a day and not have it sitting in front of me\u2014and actually talk with God or have my Bible open next to my nursing chair where I\u2019m actually just reading the word and letting that speak over me more than what my friend from the second grade is now doing with her seven year old daughter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. So this is back to being purposeful\u2014being deliberate\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014being intentional. Not just saying, \u201cWell, when the mood hits, I\u2019ll go there,\u201d but saying, \u201cNo, I\u2019m going to strategically figure out how I put this in my life at every nook and cranny so I\u2019m always there.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> I\u2019ve found that I have to be really intentional about it and I think it is different for every person\u2014but for me right now\u2014if I want to be present with my six kids\u2014and I\u2019m also writing\u2014occasionally speaking\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\u2014the margins of my life right now for my survival\u2014they need to be tapping into His word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Physically\u2014where is your phone in the morning\u2014when you sit down to read your Bible? How far away is it from your Bible and where you sit reading the Bible? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Oh, it\u2019s right there. I mean my husband is usually away in the morning, so I have my phone in case he texts me so it\u2019s not so much. During the day I keep my phone plugged in near my bedside table so I actually have to walk to go get it, [Laughter]\u00a0 because if it\u2019s in my hands, I\u2019m going to look at it\u2014I mean that\u2019s just the truth for me. But yes\u2014during the morning\u2014it\u2019s right there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019ve had times when Mary Ann and I have been in the kitchen and her phone\u2014it\u2019s over on her desk\u2014and it dings because there is a tweet, there\u2019s an alert, there\u2019s a\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014And you twitch! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014I\u2019ll hear it ding and I\u2019ll watch her not jump\u2014and then it will ding a second time or a third time and she still has not moved\u2014and I\u2019m going, \u201cHoney, honey\u2014\u201c and she goes, \u201cYes, I\u2019ll get to that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m like, \u201cHow can you not be instant\u2014how can you not immediately go to whatever is calling you?\u201d Then when mine buzzes and I go immediately and find out that it\u2019s Papa Murphy\u2019s for a new offer for the taco pizza. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And what does Mary Ann say to you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cPut the phone down, honey. Can we just have a real one on one conversation here?\u201d [Laughter] I know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That really brings me to a question. As you\u2019re developing your relationship with God\u2014you\u2019re raising your kids\u2014how do you protect your marriage and your relationship with Nate?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Practically speaking there\u2019s three things we do that we\u2019ve both found have to be in our schedule for us and our marriage. We go on a weekly date. We take\u2014with our first two kids\u2014once we brought them home\u2014we said one time a year we\u2019re going to get away. With our second two\u2014and because four were adopted\u2014which just adds challenges and new dynamics to a family\u2014we said, \u201cTwice a year we\u2019re going to get away.\u201d And then with our last two, we said, \u201cThree times a year.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis year\u2019s a little bit challenging because we\u2019ve got a baby\u2014but we\u2019ve just found that it\u2019s critical for us to get away together. Then we do have one time a day\u20148:00 in the morning. Nate goes off in the morning\u2014he spends some time alone with the Lord outside the house. He comes back at 8:00 am\u2014we check in for 30 minutes\u2014kids know don\u2019t interrupt\u2014if you do, you might get a snarl\u2014and for 30 minutes we just have a little day check in, pray. Life is too full right now for us to just <em>hope<\/em> that it happens\u2014it just doesn\u2019t happen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We took a walk after work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Oh, I love that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We walked around our yard and it was bit of a two edged sword. It would give us some sweet time of conversation but, Sweetheart, what would you notice as you walked around the yard?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes, I noticed all the things that needed to be done\u2014all the weeds I needed to pull and that kind of thing. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> All of the plants that she wanted to move\u2014she never met a plant she didn\u2019t want to move three or four times.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s part of her DNA.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> That makes such a great story!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes, well\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The yard hadn\u2019t changed. I mean from\u2014you know\u2014from month to month there is some different color in our garden, but we\u2019d just be walking by the same rock pile or the same weed\u2014patch of weeds\u2014but it would give us a chance to debrief about our day before we walked back into\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> The circus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014six human beings\u2014a three ring circus. You know\u2014you have six. You have to find some ways though, to build islands of clarity where you can communicate with one another and tell each other what\u2019s going on in your lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and we\u2019ve been talking about your relationship with God being purposeful and intentional. Your relationship with your spouse has to be purposeful and intentional. Your relationship with your kids has to be purposeful and intentional. If those are\u2014in fact\u2014the three most significant relationships in anybody\u2019s life\u2014your relationship with God, your relationship with family\u2014with spouse and with family\u2014then you <em>better<\/em> build in the disciplines\u2014the time,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0the intentionality\u2014or those relationships will drift.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> That\u2019s exactly right. And that, you know\u2014in some ways\u2014that is what my book is about. When we have these pockets of time that we might otherwise resent because they seem like they\u2019re pulling us away from the pace of life or the impact or the outward productivity\u2014they actually really are a gift. We get to get quiet\u2014we get to re-pattern our lives according to what we choose\u2014instead of letting the world choose that for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, Sara, I have really appreciated you being on the program. Barbara is batting a 1000 in terms of her guests that she has recommend being on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. I want you to know that you are keeping that record fully intact.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As we\u2019ve been talking, I\u2018ve been thinking about\u2014this is all about a message I used to hear the founder and president of Campus Crusade for Christ\u2014that was the organization\u2019s name then\u2014Bill Bright used to give to all of us as staff members. It was from Revelation chapter 2. It was about recapturing your first love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRevelation chapter 2\u2014the apostle John is talking about some messages to different churches. The church he\u2019s addressing in chapter 2 is Ephesus. This is just kind of what we have been talking about here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tListen to this. He said, \u201cI know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear with those who are evil, but have tested those who call themselves apostles and are not, and found them to be false. I know you are enduring patiently and bearing up for my name\u2019s sake, and you\u2019ve not grown weary.\u201d Now that doesn\u2019t speak of a mom\u2014moms do grow weary\u2014but then he says, \u201cBut I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first.\u201d Then he goes on to talk about repenting and doing the deeds you did at first\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that means cultivating the relationship you had with God originally. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs you were talking, I couldn\u2019t help but think of a statement when I was first cutting my spiritual molars a number of years ago\u2014it was this kind of a statement, it says, \u201cIf you and God aren\u2019t as close as you used to be, then don\u2019t be deceived about who moved.\u201d God hasn\u2019t stopped loving you\u2014He hasn\u2019t stopped pursuing a relationship with you. You\u2019re the one who is overworked, overtired, ignoring or just not being intentional about turning around and facing Him and listening to His voice. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just really appreciate your book. I appreciate what you\u2019ve written here and how you\u2019re exhorting all of us to turn back to the God that we are to love with all our heart, soul, and mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Barbara, who should get a copy of the book?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, all women for sure, because I think it really speaks to women, the idea of being unseen I think is uniquely a message for women\u2014but I think it would be great if some men decided to pick it up too! How\u2019s that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s good. So women and men\u2014anybody who would be in those two categories.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> [Laughter] I think that about sums it up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We do have copies. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That is in Genesis chapter 1, I think\u2014that does cover who God made\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> That does cover it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014male and female.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We do have copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. By the way, I should just mention this. During the program I got a text from our engineer: 65% of <em>Wall Street Journal<\/em> readers read the print edition\u2014so there you go!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> See! There you go!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Shame on you, Sara!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014saying that about me\u2014 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sara:<\/strong> What is the age range of the <em>Wall Street Journal<\/em> reader?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let\u2019s not go there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> No, let\u2019s not do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Let\u2019s not talk about average age of readers of the <em>Wall Street Journal.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Again, we do have copies of Sara\u2019s book called <em>Unseen<\/em>. It\u2019s in our FamilyLife Today Resource Center.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can order it from us online at FamiiyLifeToday.com\u2014or you can call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again the website FamilyLifeToday.com. The title of the book is <em>Unseen: The Gift of Being Hidden in a World That Loves to Be Noticed<\/em> by Sara Hagerty. You can also order by calling 1-800-358-6329. 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in Family, \u201cL\u201d as in Life, and then the word \u201cTODAY\u201d.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMost of the time when folks tune in to our program, we\u2019re talking about marriage relationships or about parenting or about family relationships and the challenges that can go with all of that. Today we were talking about our relationship with God\u2014that\u2019s because we believe that marriage and family relationships flow out of whatever kind of relationship with God we have. If we don\u2019t have a relationship with God, that\u2019s going to affect our marriage and family relationships. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf we have a distant relationship with God, that\u2019s going to have an impact. Our goal here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is to effectively develop Godly marriages and families. It all starts with cultivating a deeper, more intimate relationship with the God who created us. That\u2019s foundation to everything we do here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe appreciate those of you who help extend the reach of this ministry. Every time you make a donation, you\u2019re helping us reach more people, more often with more help and more hope. That\u2019s our desire here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. You make that happen with your donations, so thanks for your partnership. 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