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Warner and Susie Wallace recall how they investigated the Gospels and eventually believed that what the Scriptures said about God and their own condition and needs was true.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2017-08-24.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>J. Warner Wallace was a police detective in southern California, a homicide detective working cold cases. When he was confronted with the claims of Christianity, he decided to put those claims to the test, and he found that the evidence supported what he read.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Here\u2019s where I ended up: with \u201cbelief that.\u201d Belief that everything in the gospels that was recorded actually occurred the way it was recorded. That doesn\u2019t give you \u201cbelief in.\u201d That gives you \u201cbelief that,\u201d that what it\u2019s saying about Jesus is true. So what are you going to do with it? What do the gospels and the letters of Paul, the entire New Testament and all of Scripture, Old and New Testament, say about me?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, August 24<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll hear today from police detective J. Warner Wallace about the investigation he undertook that led him not only to believe that Jesus is who He claimed to be, but also to believe in Him. Stay with us.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI feel kind of like old-time radio. I feel like we should be saying, \u201cWhen we last left, our detective was hard at work deciphering the evidence to determine what really happened back at the scene of the crime.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And did you have your fingerprints taken before you came into the studio, Bob?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t, no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This is the first guest that has ever demanded both Bob and I be fingerprinted before the interview starts. This is a bad sign.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Scary stuff right here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, J. Warner and Susie Wallace join us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Susie, Jim, welcome back to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Thanks so much for having us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> Thank you for having us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Jim and Susie have been married since 1988. They have four children. And what we were referring to a little earlier was Jim was a detective and in law enforcement for more than two decades, and so he\u2019s taken a different look at Christianity and at the person of Jesus Christ, really unlike probably any guest we\u2019ve ever had on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> in 25 years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, and our listeners who have been with us know that you were an atheist, a police detective, really didn\u2019t have a whole lot of interest in God. You worked cold cases for the Torrance Police Department in California, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And when you got taken to church back after your kids had been born, and Susie, you were the one that said, \u201cMaybe we ought to have our kids in church and Jim said, \u2018That\u2019s fine, no objection.\u2019\u201d He thought it was a culturally good thing, he just didn\u2019t believe there was a God or any of that stuff. Until you started to examine the evidence, and that\u2019s what led you first to faith and then to writing the book <em>Cold Case Christianity<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just curious; there was a point in your investigation where the evidence was starting to lean in a particular direction, but there had to be a point beyond that where you said, \u201cI\u2019m convinced this really happened.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Yes. The steps of this may seem a bit esoteric, but let me just tell you how I processed it. I got to a place where I felt like the gospels were telling me something I could trust. But, I was a very committed philosophical naturalist, so I would have said, at least initially, I can trust the stuff that\u2019s not miraculous. Now all the miraculous stuff can\u2019t be true, because miracles don\u2019t happen.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo the next thing I had to ask myself was why am I so committed to my philosophical naturalism? Why do I think no miracles could ever happen? Well, do I have good reason to believe that everything in the universe that I see could just come into existence given what\u2019s available to us in the universe?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll we have is space, time, and matter, the laws of physics and chemistry that govern space, time, and matter. Is that sufficient\u2014causal agent, in this case a cause\u2014that could create everything we see in the universe from the universe itself, to the fine tuning we see in the universe to the origin of life in the universe? That\u2019s really where I found myself. So now, for me, I had to just take a little bit of a shift in my investigation, and I started to look at whether or not my naturalism was a sufficient explanation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I just have to stop you there. You\u2019re looking at the design of the universe, the design of creation, all the way from the grandeur of the galaxies down to molecules?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And you\u2019re going, \u201cHow can that be explained?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Yes, let me give it to you in a paradigm. If you walk into a death scene, there are four ways to die only one of them is criminal. You can die one of the other three ways and no homicide investigator\u2019s ever going to be interested. We\u2019re looking out for homicides. But there\u2019s a suicide, there are natural deaths, and there are accidental deaths. Those other three kinds of deaths don\u2019t interest us, sadly, because we\u2019re hired to catch bad guys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo in the end we have to ask that question first, \u201cIs this death scene a crime scene?\u201d The way you ask that question is kind of a trick I call a game called \u201cinside or outside the room.\u201d Can you explain everything you find in the room by staying in the room? If you can, it\u2019s probably not a murder. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo for example, if I have a dead person and a handgun, but that handgun belongs to the dead person, I even find a suicide note in which they are talking about committing suicide\u2014well, I can explain now everything in the room by what\u2019s in the room. No one outside the room has to be involved at all. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn the other hand, if that gun doesn\u2019t belong to him, it\u2019s registered to somebody else, an unknown, there are no fingerprints on the gun, and there\u2019s no note, I even have bloody footprints leading out of the room, well now the best explanation for the stuff in the room is a cause that\u2019s outside the room. Now everything shifts to a murder investigation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo it\u2019s really about intruder investigations, right? Do we have an intruder?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I thought to myself, because you apply this same thing to the universe, could you ask yourself the question, \u201cCan I explain everything in the room of the universe by staying in the room?\u201d If I can, great, then some form of evolutionary process is working on space, time, and matter; given the laws of physics and chemistry will explain everything, all the way to our consciousness, to our free agency, to moral truths, to the problem of evil. Everything ought to be able to be explained given what\u2019s in the room.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow if you have to go out of the room of naturalism to explain the stuff that\u2019s in the room, we have an intruder. So this is a good way of, I think, assessing evidence in the room. And that\u2019s what I did next.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And I\u2019ve\u2014many times, my kids would tell you (they\u2019ve heard this over and over again) I\u2019ve said, \u201cIf we were to go now to the Lexus dealer and I were to take you into the showroom and say, \u2018This car, isn\u2019t it magnificent? I mean, it\u2019s a beautiful vehicle; you can\u2019t believe the engineering here. Guess what? There was nothing here centuries ago, and now all of a sudden the car is here.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, you\u2019d take me to the loony bin for making a statement like that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what we\u2019re saying about the place we live! The earth, the universe; that there was nothing here a long time ago, and now it\u2019s here, and not just here, but complex and organized. You\u2019d have to be deliberately trying to suppress the truth to come up with that conclusion.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Well, let\u2019s put it this way: the experts we\u2019re talking about, who want to offer an explanation from inside the room of the universe, have a presuppositional bias. So when I work in investigation I ask all the traditional questions that you might ask when you\u2019re writing a science paper or you\u2019re writing an essay in English. It\u2019s the what, how, when, where? I ask those kinds of questions. But I also ask a question that if I don\u2019t ask nobody is ever going to go to jail, and that\u2019s the who question? I can figure out how it happened and what happened and when it happened, but until I ask, \u201cWho did it?\u201d no one goes to jail.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I wrote a book after <em>Cold Case Christianity<\/em> called <em>God\u2019s Crime Scene<\/em>, in which we do this inside the room or outside the room investigation with eight pieces of evidence. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn that book I\u2019m citing all of the atheist philosophers, cosmologists, biologists who offer alternative explanations from inside the room. They will ask all the other questions, except they will never allow themselves to ask a \u201cwho\u201d question, because they\u2019ve categorically decided up front that science does not involve \u201cwho\u201d questions. You can\u2019t have personal agents involved as any explanation when it comes to cosmology, because why? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhy can\u2019t you?\u201d \u201cBecause you can\u2019t! That\u2019s out of bounds.\u201d \u201cWell, why is it out of bounds?\u201d \u201cWell, because you just don\u2019t do science that way.\u201d \u201cWell, why don\u2019t you do science that way?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the end, they\u2019ve eliminated the \u201cwho\u201d question, and I always say if you eliminate \u201cwho\u201d questions, no one ever goes to jail. Well, it turns out, if you also eliminate a \u201cwho\u201d question you end up pretzeling yourself, trying to explain how this happened. Because you simply won\u2019t allow yourself to ask the \u201cwho,\u201d which solves the whole problem.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And what I want to do is answer the \u201cwho\u201d question with you in a just a minute, but I want to ask Susie something. What\u2019s it like to argue with him?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, here\u2019s a guy who\u2019s just been in crime scenes\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> Well, now you see why I fell in love with him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe\u2019s so smart!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He\u2019s brilliant!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I know, but when your evidence doesn\u2019t match his conclusion, what happens then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> Well, sometimes I am the better detective.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Let me tell you something: if you\u2019re a detective and I\u2019ll say, \u201cI can\u2019t find the peanut butter!\u201d She says, \u201cYou\u2019re a detective! You look for it! You\u2019re a detective; you should be able to find it.\u201d You get no help around the house at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> It\u2019s usually right behind the milk.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, Susie, what I want to ask you is, what was it like for you to be watching your husband? I mean, I can only imagine; he moved from this laser focus on his career to now a laser focus on his faith and his own relationship to this person from history who claimed to be God in flesh, Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat was it like to watch this happen?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> Well, Jim was always very intense, a lot of energy for whatever he was interested in. He could go 24\/7, doesn\u2019t need a lot of sleep, and he has a great memory. So everything he reads he remembers, and I always say, \u201cHow do you remember all that?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; was this persuading you in your own quest for God as well?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> Definitely, because then we were reading the Bible, we were learning truth for ourselves, and that\u2019s just what we\u2019d like to encourage everybody to do, that anyone can read the Bible, see what God has to say, and He\u2019s speaking to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I have to go back to where I started, because we found you at a place where you were starting to read the testimony of the Gospel writers and saying, \u201cOkay, I believe 70 per cent of this, the moral teaching; I just dismiss the miracles.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen you started to examine your own philosophical naturalism, your bias in that direction. That started to erode. What happened next?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Well, I finally got to a place where I figured, \u201cLook, if there is a causal agent, a personal causal agent\u2014\u201d that to me made the most sense, right, because we see aspects of design, and design requires designers. Now, I am a designer by trade; before I became a police officer, my background, I had a bachelor\u2019s degree in design and a master\u2019s degree in architecture, and I worked at a firm in Santa Monica. I can tell you that I started to think, \u201cWell, what are the attributes of design that we have good cause to attribute to a designer?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I looked at these things in biology, looked at these things in the fine-tuning of the universe, information in DNA\u2014we have no example anywhere in the history of the universe or the history of science in which information has ever come from anything other than intelligence. I mean, these things were compelling for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven objective moral truths\u2014think about this\u2014there are some transcendent, objective moral truths that transcend not just\u2014I can\u2019t create these out of personal opinion; they transcend me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur communities don\u2019t even create these, because if you have two communities who disagree we have to appeal to a transcendent adjudicator. What is it that transcends all of us that could adjudicate between our different ideas about moral truths, knowing that moral truths are always personal obligations between persons. If there are objective, transcendent moral truths and moral obligations, there must be an objective, transcendent moral person to whom we are obligated.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI started thinking, \u201cLook, in the end, I have nothing else. I believe that everything in the universe came into existence from nothing, because the science tells us that. Not from space; space came into existence at the beginning of the universe. Time, matter. So space is not nothing; space is something. So if you\u2019re telling me there\u2019s something other than those three things that has to be the cause of the universe, by definition it\u2019s extra natural.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s an intruder.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> It\u2019s the intruder. So as I looked at that I said, \u201cOkay, if there is a first cause of the universe that is powerful enough to blink everything into existence from nothing, He could probably walk on water.\u201d Right? I mean, He could probably do all this stuff we\u2019re reading in the gospels; it\u2019s small potatoes to Genesis one. That\u2019s the biggest, most amazing miracle in all of Scripture, and we have good reason to believe that is a miraculous, extra natural event.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut at the end, here\u2019s where I ended up: with \u201cbelief that.\u201d Belief that everything in the gospels that was recorded actually occurred the way it was recorded. That doesn\u2019t give you \u201cbelief in.\u201d That gives you \u201cbelief that,\u201d that what it\u2019s saying about Jesus is true. So what are you going to do with it? So now I had to take another step. I had to start reading, not what the gospels said about Jesus; what do the gospels and the letters of Paul, the entire New Testament, all of Scripture, Old and New Testament, say about me? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat changed everything for me. I can\u2019t remember\u2014people will say, \u201cDo you remember what it was to convince you\u2014\u201d No. I\u2019m a cumulative case. We make cases cumulatively; it takes months to develop those kinds of cases; the same was true for me. But I can remember where I was when I first read about me in the gospels.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And so, when did you finally realize you were a jurist of one and that Jesus was coming to you going, \u201cJim, I want your love, I want your heart, I want you\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> I think it first started, again, in God\u2019s Word; it started in First Corinthians for me. Now I\u2019m reading through Paul\u2019s letters and I\u2019m reading about the natural man, and I\u2019m reading about how no one seeks after God, and I\u2019m reading about the fallen nature of man, and I\u2019m realizing that is describing me perfectly. Here I was, a guy who was enforcing the law, and I think I had a pretty moral\u2014you know, Susie have been together faithfully for 37 years, and I have a high value for marriage and a high value for these kinds of relationships, a high value for parenting, a high value for my kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, I knew that all that stuff that is right under the surface of that good face we put on in our lives was true for me. And there was no doubt that on the outside, if you looked at me, you have said, \u201cHe\u2019s a pretty good guy.\u201d But we don\u2019t worship a good God; we worship a perfect God. If you have enough power to create everything from nothing you have power to eliminate imperfection. So I knew that I wasn\u2019t comparing myself to a good God; I was comparing myself to a perfect God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow look, even compared to a good God I\u2019m a mess, but compared to a perfect God I\u2019m way out of the ballpark, and that\u2019s when I realized that I could trust what it was telling me about Jesus, so why wouldn\u2019t I trust what it was telling me about me? It\u2019s telling me that Jesus is the Savior of the world, it\u2019s telling me that I need a Savior\u2014good combination. There\u2019s, \u201cI need a Savior,\u201d and look over here. Here\u2019s Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember coming home and saying, \u201cWow\u2014\u201d I was convicted that I was in need of a Savior, that I was a mess. People would say, \u201cWell, you\u2019re not a mess.\u201d No. Trust me. I know my thoughts. And anyone listening to this show who\u2019s had a good life\u2014really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s why when you read the Sermon on the Mount, now I\u2019m reading it not for whether it\u2019s historically valid or how many people were hearing it, what is He saying, and how does that compare to Luke\u2019s version of it? I\u2019m not doing that anymore. Now I\u2019m reading it to see, \u201cWhat does it say about me?\u201d I realized it\u2019s telling me that the bar I had for my own goodness was really low, and the bar that Jesus sets is reasonably where it should be, and it convicts me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, what you\u2019re describing was the transformational point in my life as well. Because I had heard the claims of Christ and I had thought Christianity, \u201cyes, makes sense, and even if Jesus had to die for the few bad things that I had done in my life. I\u2019m a mostly good guy, so if that had to happen I don\u2019t understand that, but if that had to happen I guess that\u2019s okay.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tUntil somebody sat me down and said, \u201cI don\u2019t think you get it,\u201d and took me to Romans Three, \u201cThere is none righteous, no, not one; nobody seeks after God,\u201d and said, \u201cThis is describing you.\u201d That\u2019s the point where people move from, as you said, \u201cI believe that Jesus,\u201d to, \u201cI believe in Jesus.\u201d Now it is, \u201cI understand my need,\u201d and when you understand your need, that\u2019s a difference-maker, isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Yes. I put it this way. All homicide detectives also have to work officer-involved shootings. I had an officer-involved shooting one night. I am speaking to the police officer after the shooting, so clearly the officer survived, but I asked him; I said, \u201cWhat did you do?\u201d He said, \u201cI knew that I was caught flat-footed. The guy\u2019s maybe six feet away from me, he\u2019s pointing the gun; I couldn\u2019t do a takeaway move, I just knew I didn\u2019t have my hand on my gun. He had the gun up first.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, all of us have worn bullet-proof vests doing this job, and we\u2019ve seen the vests stop bullets in the range, so we know that the vest can stop bullets. We have belief \u201cthat.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut in that moment, the officer said, \u201cI just decided that since I couldn\u2019t do anything I\u2019m just going to tense up my stomach muscles and take the first couple of rounds. I knew I was wearing my vest, and I\u2019ll get out to return fire.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI realized that night that this guy had moved from \u201cbelief that\u201d to \u201cbelief in\u201d in a millisecond, because now he trusted in the vest to do what he knew it could do. But what I noticed about that whole situation was that it was his experience, having seen the vest stop bullets in the range, that evidential experience that allowed him to trust in the vest in the moment of crisis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was my own experience. I need to know, \u201cCan I trust that this is true? Because if it\u2019s true,\u201d as C.S. Lewis says, right, in <em>God in the Dock<\/em>, \u201cif it\u2019s not true it\u2019s of no importance. If it\u2019s true it\u2019s of critical importance. The one thing it cannot be is moderately important.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s either of no importance or of critical importance, and once I realized it was true I was all in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And what that police officer did was ultimately surrender to his vest.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And what you\u2019re saying you did was you surrendered to Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> You surrender; that\u2019s right. Who would you be if you didn\u2019t? This is God. You\u2019re only going to be in a position of surrender. You\u2019re not going to out-God God. You\u2019re going to have to surrender to God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And to a person who\u2019s listening right now, real quickly, what do they need to do to surrender? We know how that\u2014you put your hands up, like this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Right. Yes. The only reason you do that is because you realize the person you\u2019re putting your hands up to has authority over you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI needed to know who was I? So the first thing I would ask you is to ask yourself the question: who do you think you are, really? I mean, really, in your deepest thoughts? You know yourself better than anybody else. If there was a holy God, a perfect God, how well do you think you would stack up in your thoughts?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what it really comes down to, and once you realize that you don\u2019t measure up\u2014and you can never really measure up, because of the nature of who we are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut we can trust\u2014look, how I think we\u2019re ever going to be reunited with a God who\u2019s created us when we fall so short, by our very nature, of that God. Well, there\u2019s a way, but it\u2019s not by your own works, it\u2019s by something that God did for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCan you imagine a God who loves you enough to not only show you the way home but to offer you the free ticket to get in? That\u2019s what I just didn\u2019t realize. Number one, I didn\u2019t know I wanted to go home. I didn\u2019t know I needed to go home. I didn\u2019t know what that even means, to go home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo if you\u2019re listening, it\u2019s about you deciding, first of all, do you really know who you are? And do you know your need? If you\u2019re honest with yourself you end up in the same place that I ended up, that everyone ends up; you know you need a Savior. You need to be forgiven. There\u2019s always something for which we need to be forgiven, and this is a transcendent kind of forgiveness.\u00a0 It\u2019s not just the kind of forgiveness that your friend can offer you or your partner can offer you or your spouse can offer you; there\u2019s stuff that\u2019s so completely about your nature, who you are from head to toe, that only your Maker could actually only really truly forgive.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> And that\u2019s really where we are, and that\u2019s why we say that Jesus is the answer, because is the offer that God makes for you. Every crime has a punishment. What if I could offer you forgiveness and have somebody else take your punishment? What if you were standing in front of that judge and he said, \u201cYou know what? You\u2019re guilty, and we\u2019re all guilty, but instead of you suffering that punishment I\u2019m going to come down off this bench where I sit and I\u2019m going to take the handcuffs off you, put them on me, and I\u2019m going to take your punishment for you.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what\u2019s happening here. It\u2019s not that God is saying, \u201cI\u2019m going to substitute\u2014\u201d God is Himself taking your place, taking the punishment that is due you. That\u2019s a great offer! Who else could even do that, except for God? God\u2019s not placing that punishment on some other human named Jesus for you. No, no, no. We\u2019re Christians. We believe that Jesus is God incarnate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod is taking that punishment on Himself. That\u2019s a great deal, but if you don\u2019t recognize first that you deserve that punishment, you\u2019ll never take that offer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo the first step in any of this is to search your own heart, your own mind, to think about where you really are, and be honest with yourself. You know your need, and there\u2019s a way to fulfill that need.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And the person of Jesus Christ is the most valid place to place your faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The most valid person to surrender to. He lived the life, He is God, and He said, \u201cI am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through me.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And I would encourage listeners who want to investigate this, go to our website at FamilyLifeToday.com and click the link you see there that says, \u201cTwo Ways to Live,\u201d because it really does lay out what the Bible says is true about who God is and our relationship with Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe question for all of us is, what do we believe, and is our life centered around that belief? Is that really what we\u2019re living for?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the link that says, \u201cTwo Ways to Live,\u201d to better understand the message of the Gospel, and then look for information about J. Warner Wallace\u2019s book <em>Cold Case Christianity: A Homicide Detective Investigates the Claims of the Gospels<\/em>. We have copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. It\u2019s a great book for college students, for high school students, moms and dads may want to go through this with their high school students together. You could do this around the dinner table, family devotions. Or there\u2019s another book for younger kids called <em>Cold Case Christianity for Kids<\/em>, and this is for kids eight to 12, and we have copies of that book available as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about both books. You can order from us online, or call to order; 1-800-FLTODAY is our number. 1-800-358-6329. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow tomorrow we want to talk about why young people are, in fact, rejecting the claims of Christianity, and whether we need to be talking about the rational basis for our faith more than we are. We\u2019ll have that conversation tomorrow; hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. 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