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Warner Wallace, a cold-case homicide detective, and his wife, Susie, tell how he applied his investigative skills to his study of the Bible, sure he could prove it wrong.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2017-08-23.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> As a police detective, J. Warner Wallace was always looking for evidence.\u00a0 That was how he was trained, and that\u2019s one of the reasons why he didn\u2019t pay a whole lot of attention to Christianity. He didn\u2019t think the evidence was there; but provoked by his wife, Susie, he agreed to go to church. Susie says, \u201cWhen he got there, he was stunned.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> I\u2019ll never forget it. We were in church, and the service was going on. Jim looked over at me; and he said, \u201cIs he talking to me?\u201d He knew that the message was for him.\u00a0 Boy, did our whole life change from that moment on!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, August 23<sup>rd<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. That morning in church began an ongoing journey for police detective, J. Warner Wallace.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe set out to see if the evidence could actually support the claims of Christianity, and he was struck by what he found. Stay with us.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You heard a message back when you were in college about evidence for the resurrection of Jesus that significant for you; wasn\u2019t it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was. Josh McDowell came to the Harvard of the Ozarks\u2014otherwise known as the University of Arkansas.\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He gave a series of messages about the evidence for the Resurrection\u2014and I\u2019m from the \u201cShow Me State,\u201d Missouri, and also from the tribe of doubting Thomas\u2014and I can\u2019t tell you how profound that evidence was that he presented that empowered me as a young man who was attempting to follow Christ to realize\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014\u201cThis really is the truth. This is not what somebody dreamed up, but there really is evidence.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You weren\u2019t taking a blind leap of faith as people often talk about in believing in the Resurrection. There\u2019s evidence to support it.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And Josh McDowell has sold\u2014who knows how many million books\u2014100 million books, I think, of his book <em>More Than a Carpenter<\/em>, which outlines the proof of Jesus Christ being the Son of God and defeating death. And we have a guest with us who has an interesting story.\u00a0 In fact, he and his wife, both, were not believers.\u00a0 Not only not believers, they were both atheist. Was that right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Well, for me anyway, it was right. I don\u2019t know about Susie. Susie always believed in God, I think;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> Yes.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2014but she wouldn\u2019t have been able to tell you much about who that God was.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> Exactly.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Were you an atheist, Susie?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> No, I was not. I don\u2019t really remember a time that I didn\u2019t believe in God; and that\u2019s thanks to my mom who always took me to church and taught me that there was God, but I never read the Bible.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And didn\u2019t see much relevance to the whole God thing while you were growing up; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> Yes, I didn\u2019t really understand the relationship with Jesus. I just\u2014I knew that there was a God who created everything; but I didn\u2019t understand that personal relationship. I hadn\u2019t read anything in the Bible. So, I didn\u2019t\u2014I didn\u2019t know what Scripture taught.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, that is Susie Wallace who is married to Jim Wallace\u2014otherwise known as the author of the book, <em>Cold-Case Christianity<\/em>, as J. Warner Wallace. Jim has been in youth work for have a half a dozen years, lead pastor for five; but probably, most known for his work as a detective, but also in law enforcement for more than two decades. All of this is wrapped up in a book called <em>Cold-Case Christianity<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSusie, I told you before we came in here I wanted to know how he presented the evidence to you that he was the man for you. How did you two meet?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> Well, we met when we were still in high school, and Jim just happened to be at my high school one day. We met, and\u2014I just have to say\u2014it was love at first sight. I just knew there was something really special about him. He was so smart and articulate and playing the guitar\u2014very romantic. So\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> I tried every angle I could possibly think of, Dennis; okay? I tried everything, and I think it did work out okay.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> I knew right away when I met her, though\u2014I just knew that\u2014from a very early age, even before I knew God or knew anything about God, I did have a god; and that was marriage. My parents separated when I was very young. My mom never remarried.\u00a0 So, for me, marriage was a huge high value; and even as a young man, at 17, I was looking for that girl that would be the one. Now, once I talked to her and I realized\u2014and of course, she was beautiful\u2014but I knew right away her character was such.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I was just looking for somebody, I thought, had the character that I would want to live the rest of my life with.\u00a0 Now, I know that sounds crazy at 17; and she always says, \u201cOh, come on!\u201d But that\u2019s really, what I was looking for.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, wouldn\u2019t it be nice if there were more 17-year-old young men and young women who were looking at character rather than other things to determine what a relationship should look like?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. Bob, you know, you and I have interviewed a lot of folks. We\u2019ve never ever had someone describe himself or herself at such an early age as having the god of marriage\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2014because his own parents\u2019 marriage had failed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Oh, that was huge for me. I mean it still shakes me. I always tell Susie this: When I do weddings, I\u2019ll often say, \u201cI value marriage. I love marriage even more than I love Susie.\u201d Now, I want the kind of marriage that, hopefully, blesses Susie\u2014right\u2014because I actually\u2014there\u2019s this transcendent thing that overarches our relationship that I care about so deeply, I will do anything to make sure that is good. So, that\u2019s kind of been the guiding principle for me with Susie.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, and the transcendent purpose of marriage that you both, now, have discovered that was made by God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2014in His image; and He\u2019s given you a purpose to your relationship.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>I want you to take us back to the time when neither of you were practicing Christians or even believed in God and take us back to the point where you started your journey.\u00a0 What caused you to begin to explore this need for finding evidence for<em> Cold-Case Christianity<\/em> that you write about in your book?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Well, Susie was raised in a Catholic environment. So, she was used to going to Mass, pretty regularly, when she was young; but by the time we started dating and in our early years together, it was really more\u2014if she was with her mother that weekend or if there was a holiday\u2014and again, we never talked about it as a couple.\u00a0 She\u2014I think she knew better than to talk about\u2014I\u2014my mom was also kind of a cultural Catholic growing up. My dad is a very committed atheist, even today.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, his view has always been: \u201cThat\u2019s great. It\u2019s a useful delusion if it\u2019ll help you raise good kids.\u201d He\u2019d be more than happy, even today, to come to a church that I would lead. He\u2019s come to my church when I was the lead pastor. He\u2019ll sing hymns. He thinks it\u2019s very culturally helpful. He loves the tradition of it, but he\u2019s not a believer. And I would have said the same thing\u2014\u201cIf you want to do this, great. I\u2019ll go as an atheist;\u201d\u2014but we never really wanted to do it. It didn\u2019t really come up in our lives.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> Not until we had children. Then, that was the real launching off point because when I became a mother, I\u2019m starting to look at the world differently and starting to think about\u2014\u201cWhat do I want to do for my children? So, are we going to have the kids baptized? Are we going to attend a Catholic church? Are we going to\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> I said, \u201cGreat.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> My son went to a Christian preschool. So, we had gone to the church that the school was affiliated with, a few times; but we were coming along the time to make some decisions,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and that was what really started it. We had some friends that invited us to church; and we kept saying, \u201cYes, someday, someday.\u201d Then, finally, we went; and that was the day.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> But I can tell you, when we had our young kids, we were living in one city; and Susie was interested in putting them in the preschool. They would have events, and I would attend the event; but I remember a couple of times making sure I skillfully avoided the actual church service. So, then, we moved to another city, and we had been there about three years. I had avoided church for three years altogether\u2014which was great\u2014but then, Susie started talking about it again.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said, \u201cOkay, if you want to go, I\u2019ll be happy to go.\u201d We walk into this evangelical church. It\u2019s a huge, mega-church in Southern California; and I thought, \u201cThis is kind of like a circus\u201d\u2014if I\u2019m honest with you. I\u2019d never seen church worship\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> Yes. I hadn\u2019t either.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2014I had been in Catholic settings; but I had never been in an evangelical setting, neither had Susie.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Were you a detective at that time?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Yes, I was working undercover.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Yes.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Here is the question\u2014as I was looking at your book\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and I was thinking about you being an atheist\u2014here\u2019s your wife after you, wanting to get your four children raised with some kind of spiritual belief, even though Susie wasn\u2019t quite sure what that was exactly.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Right.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She just knew that there was something there you wanted to achieve. Here you are going to work; and you\u2019re seeing the face of evil,\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Right.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2014what it does in relationships, how ends lives, over and over and over again.\u00a0 I just wondered, \u201cHow did you process that as an atheist, a detective, daily confronting the result of evil?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Well, you know I think I\u2019m pretty thoughtful about most things; but I am pretty detached when it comes to processing evil. Mostly because, I think, I grew up in a law enforcement family. My dad would show me his cases when I was very young. So, I got to see a lot of things that I probably shouldn\u2019t have seen at a young age.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the time I was doing it myself, I was pretty emotionally detached from the work;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and I always talk about how when you worked an investigation, you are always forward thinking. You don\u2019t live in the moment\u2014\u201cOkay, this bad thing happened a few hours ago.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, you\u2019re at the scene. It\u2019s a death scene, and you\u2019re looking at everything. You\u2019re thinking, \u201cOkay, I get it. Something bad happened a few minutes ago. There is something bad in front of me right now, but we have a mission that\u2019s going to culminate tomorrow or next week or next month. If we don\u2019t get moving right now, the thing we are trying to achieve in the next few days, we\u2019re not going to achieve.\u201d That\u2019s that first 48 hours.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, it never bothered me; but I can tell you the first pastor\u2014that first day in church, that pastor did in some ways tap into a sense I had about morality because he made the claim\u2014he said a lot of things; but the thing that sticks with me, even today. I wish I had that sermon to look at it again\u2014as he said that Jesus was the smartest man who had ever lived and that on the basis of the moral teaching of Jesus, Western Civilization has blossomed.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought, \u201cOkay, here I am as a cop enforcing these moral rules\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014\u201cthese laws\u2014that this pastor is really kind of claiming are grounded in the moral teaching of Jesus of Nazareth.\u201d So, I just wanted to know if that was true, and I was interested in smart guys. And I would read smart guys.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, if Jesus is a smart guy, I was willing to buy a Bible\u2014because we didn\u2019t have one. I still have that Bible, and I just went through it forensically just to mine out the wisdom statements of Jesus. As I did that, I realized that it\u2019s not a series of proverbs. Those statements are encased in the gospels, which claim to be events that were actually seen by somebody and recorded as though they actually happened. And that\u2019s what my casework is.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you work cold-cases, you\u2019re working events from the distant past where someone has chronicled what a witness; and then, the witness dies. Now, thirty years later, you\u2019re working the case. Well, I\u2019ve got access to reports, then, in my case work where I don\u2019t have access to the author of the report or the witness who he\u2019s talking about.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s kind of what the gospels are. So, I said, \u201cIf I can apply that skill set to the gospels, I might be able to determine if this was even true.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you know, Susie, that your husband had kind of been prompted and provoked by this; or was he doing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> Yes.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014all of this on his own?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> No, immediately, in church.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Huh?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> It was really like a miracle happened right in front of me.\u00a0 I\u2019ll never forget it. We were in church, and the service was going on; and Jim looked over at me, and he said, \u201cIs he talking to me?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> He knew that message was for him. Boy, did our whole life change from that moment on!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now, there had to be something going on in your own heart to where something spiritually was being awakened in you.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> Yes\u2014absolutely. We were there. We were at church. I had been wanting to come for some time; and with Jim\u2019s investigation, then, I was exposed to the Bible\u2014so just learning right along with him. I had never read the Bible.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, Jim, you were processing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014this with your wife as you were going through it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Well, yes, I think so.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Susie:<\/strong> He would share\u2014yes\u2014all of his research.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> A lot of it was just a discipline called forensic statement analysis. This is what we do with suspects. We have the suspect come in. We think he\u2019s committed a murder yesterday.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, we\u2019re going to say, \u201cDo me a favor. Write down everything you did yesterday from the time you got up in the morning until the time you went to bed.\u201d We\u2019re going to give him one piece of paper, one-sided, and an ink pen. It\u2019s going to have 24 lines, and he\u2019s going to write out everything he did yesterday. He\u2019s going to use a certain number of words to describe each part of his day, and he\u2019s going to use certain kinds of pronouns and certain tenses of verbs. He\u2019s going to compress time. He\u2019s going to expand time.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen he gets done with this, I should be able to tell you if I think he\u2019s our guy based on his statement to me; and I should be able to tell you what time of day he did it based on his compression of time and expansion of time.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, it\u2019s a discipline that you kind of develop; and I\u2019ve been trained in this. So, I started\u2014I said, \u201cCouldn\u2019t I apply this to the gospels? If I do and kind of coming at it that way, what would I learn?\u201d So, I was doing this every day for hours.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was obsessed with it because it took a long time for me to step in.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t just jump in.\u00a0 That day that we went to church, it wasn\u2019t like\u2014\u201cOkay, I\u2019m a Christian now.\u201d It was: \u201cNo, I\u2019m interested now.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And what you did is you read the gospels.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Gospels first.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You said\u2014in your book, you said that\u2014\u201cI found out that not only what Jesus said sounded true, but He also made some incredible claims about His own identity.\u201d\u00a0 <br><br><strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Right.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And that\u2019s what really grabbed you\u2014was Jesus was claiming something about Himself, not just about what He taught.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Yes, a lot of it was\u2014first of all, I saw attributes in the four accounts\u2014and people sometimes get hung up on the apparent contradictions they might see between one Gospel in compared to another. I\u2019ve actually known students in the years since becoming a Christian, who have told me they were first shaken in their faith when a secular or an atheist professor simply asked them to read through the Passion Week in all four gospels,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014noting the differences in the way the accounts are written.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd some folks have said, \u201cYes, once I did that, I wasn\u2019t sure I could believe it anymore because there are so many differences in the accounts.\u201d Well, that\u2019s the stuff that actually got me provoked to think it was true because if you\u2019ve ever worked with eye-witnesses you know how much their accounts vary. There is a certain texture to eye-witness testimony.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, every defense attorney loves this and will capitalize on it in front of a jury\u2014how the witness I just called in, when cross examined, gets a certain detail differently than some other witness. So, you can\u2019t trust them. No, in fact, this is the thing that makes them reliable because everyone comes to this with a different perspective.\u00a0 It\u2019s not just a different location in a room where they\u2019re watching the crime. Sometimes, it\u2019s just a different set of experiences that makes them more sensitive to one aspect.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRemember, most of the time, when you have a live witness, you can work these out because when there is an apparent contradiction, you can say to the witness, \u201cOkay, wait a minute. It sounds like you\u2019re saying this.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIs that what you really mean?\u201d Then, they kind of re-throw it, and you realize, \u201cOkay, now, it matches the other witness.\u201d We don\u2019t have access to the witnesses in the gospels to ask those kinds of clarifying questions.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt turns out\u2014I\u2019ll look at old case reports, and they\u2019ll seem to be contradictory; but if they\u2019re still alive, I can ask questions to clarify. If they aren\u2019t still alive, I have to live with those apparently contradictory eye-witness statements.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay, I\u2019ve got to interrupt you here because the evidence you were looking at\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Yes?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014these statements from the eye-witnesses.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Right.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> These weren\u2019t recorded the day after the crime was committed, the day after the events in question; alright?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> As a matter of fact\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> These are forty-year-old records from after the events in question that were written by these guys; and some people say that there was some bias that had come in over those 40 years\u2014so, they doctored up their testimony.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> So, a couple of things about that\u2014that also didn\u2019t bother. Here is why. I mean I\u2019d already been working\u2014when you work old cases, what you discover is that you sometimes don\u2019t have a witness\u2014that was not identified back in the day\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014working a case from 1981, let\u2019s say.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou discover that someone says, \u201cWell, yes, I think my cousin saw it too.\u201d \u201cWell, where\u2019s your cousin?\u201d \u201cHe lives in Sacramento.\u201d Okay, well, I\u2019ve got to go to Sacramento; and I have to discover the cousin. Now, they\u2019re going to offer, for the first time, an eye-witness statement that is now 30-some odd years behind the crime. And I\u2019ve got to figure out\u2014\u201cAre you sure?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, there are people who will kind of say, \u201cYou can\u2019t trust eye-witnesses at all, but especially, eye-witnesses that wait 30 years to give you a statement.\u201d To that, I will tell this to juries. We say this in front\u2014\u201cIf that was the case, we could never make our cold cases because all of our eye-witness statements are 30 years old or plus.\u201d So, what\u2014I always will say it this way: \u201cNot every memory is created equal.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>How I try to put it in the book and how I try to put it in front of a jury is this: \u201cIf I asked you guys\u201d\u2014Bob and Dennis\u2014\u201cwhat did you do with your wives this year for Valentine\u2019s Day?\u201d You probably remember, but it might be tough\u2014but you\u2019d probably remember.\u00a0 It\u2019s only been a couple of months.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> So, what if I said to you, what did you do with your wives for Valentine\u2019s Day seven years ago? I need 2010\u2019s Valentine\u2019s Day memory. Could you remember that?\u00a0 That\u2019s tougher.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Bob could.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019m just thinking that was the year before we started the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage cruise. So, I wasn\u2019t on the cruise that year with her.\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> So, what did you do?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I can\u2019t remember.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Okay.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But I can\u2014to your point, I can remember what I gave my wife on Valentine\u2019s Day in 1978.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Why do you remember that?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Because we were dating and we were in love and they offered a heart-shaped pizza at Hammy\u2019s Pizza on 11<sup>th<\/sup> Street, and she was working the night shift at the hospital. So, I ordered the pizza and took it in.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> And what year was that?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It was \u201978.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Okay, so, you can remember, not only the Valentine\u2019s Day in 1978, but some specific details about that day.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I can remember the look in her eye when I brought the heart-shaped pizza to the hospital because I thought, \u201cI\u2019d like that look to last a lot longer.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> So, let me ask you a question. Let\u2019s go one more year, 1979. One year later, what did you do for Valentine\u2019s Day?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We were engaged at that point. I don\u2019t remember.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner:<\/strong> Okay. Oh, so, here\u2019s my point. Not all Valentine\u2019s Days for you are created equal. Now, let\u2019s say your somebody who loves\u2014we\u2019re in a beautiful part of Arkansas; and there\u2019s hunting and fishing out here; I\u2019m sure\u2014some great hunting and fishing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J. Warner: <\/strong>If you guys went out hunting and fishing every day, I could ask you, \u201cWhat was your hunting like or your fishing like seven years ago today?\u201d You have a hard time, probably, if you hunt and fish a lot, remembering what it was; but I guarantee you. If you were out fishing one day and a dude walks up to you on the water, you will remember that day for the rest of your lives. Not every day of fishing is created equal either.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, it really comes down to how spectacular is the event. And if you watched a homicide, you\u2019ve probably only seen one. I doubt you\u2019ve seen more. Now, maybe, if you\u2019re in certain part of the city, you\u2019ve seen more; but the point is for most of us as witnesses, we\u2019re only close to that kind of thing once.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd it sticks with you.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, of course, even though you\u2019re giving me this statement, I still need to evaluate. I don\u2019t just trust witnesses blindly. We test witnesses; and there are four criteria we use. So, I\u2019m still going to test you; but if you pass the test, then, I\u2019m instructed by judges to trust you even if I don\u2019t like you because you\u2019ve passed the test.\u00a0 So, I thought, \u201cCould I apply that test to the authors of the gospels?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I\u2019m going to stop you right there and say to the listener who is listening to the radio and going\u2014\u201cI\u2019m kind of curious about what this guy\u2019s talking about\u2014what Susie\u2019s saying occurred in his life and her life at that church and what propelled them toward Jesus Christ.\u201d I\u2019d say, \u201cGet a copy of <em>Cold-Case Christianity<\/em>; or maybe go through it with your son or your daughter and talk with them about their faith and what they believe.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I think these are days, Bob, when we need to spurring one another on to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014look at the person of Jesus Christ and ask the questions, \u201cWho is He?\u201d and \u201cWhat are you going to do with His claims about Himself and, most importantly, about your life?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, it is fascinating when somebody who is trained as a detective decides to dig up the ancient testimony and looks at it and says, \u201cOkay, I\u2019m going to apply what I know about criminal procedure here and go to work on it\u201d\u2014and then, the conclusions you come to in the midst of that. We\u2019ve got copies of the book that you\u2019ve written called <em>Cold-Case Christianity<\/em> where you go through the evidence that you examined as a detective to come to the conclusions you\u2019ve come to about the reliability of Scripture.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur listeners can go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order a copy of that book. This would be a great book for parents and teens to read through together; and you\u2019ve also got your book, <em>Cold-Case Christianity for Kids<\/em>, which is aimed at younger kids\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014older elementary or young junior high kids. Again, both books are available from us at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can order online, or you can call to order.\u00a0 1-800-FL-TODAY is our number. That\u2019s 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know one of the things we are burdened by here at FamilyLife is that we want to reach a lot more people. We believe that the Bible has a lot to say about marriage and family, and we believe there are a lot of marriages and families that need to better understand what the Bible has to say about having a strong marriage and having a healthy family. That\u2019s what we\u2019re committed to here at FamilyLife\u2014to effectively develop godly marriages and families.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe thing that keeps us from reaching more people is just having the jet fuel to do that; and during the month of August, we\u2019re asking <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners to help us expand our reach.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the reasons why is because we\u2019ve had some friends of the ministry who have come along and said they want to see us reach more folks. They\u2019ve agreed that they will match every donation that we receive this month on a dollar for dollar basis up to a total of $800,000.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, we\u2019re asking listeners to join and help accelerate the growth of FamilyLife by making a donation, knowing that your donation this month is going to be doubled and we\u2019re going to be able to reach a lot more folks.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, if you\u2019re a regular listener and it\u2019s been a while since you\u2019ve made a donation\u2014or maybe, you\u2019ve never made a donation\u2014this is a great time to go to FamilyLifeToday.com, donate online; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate over the phone; or you can mail your donation to us. It will still be matched dollar for dollar. Our mailing address is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at Box 7111, Little Rock, Arkansas; our zip code is 72223.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe just have a little time left to be able to take full advantage of this matching gift. So, please give, if you can, and pray, if you will, that we\u2019ll be able\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014to grow the reach of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> in the months to come.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I hope you can join us back tomorrow. We\u2019ve got a lot more to look at as we follow J. Warner Wallace on his investigation of the claims of Christ, the claims of the Bible, and see where that investigation led him and the impact it had in his own life. Hope you can tune in for that tomorrow.\u00a0 <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas\u2014a Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2017 FamilyLife. 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