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His career was going well, but his boss decided to take a risk and confront him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>We went for a drive. He pulled off and said: \u201cJT, what are you doing with your life? You\u2019re one of our best\u2014you can do almost anything you want\u2014but where are you headed?\u201d I said, \u201cI\u2019m not sure.\u201d He said, \u201cWell\u2026\u201d and he began to share the gospel with me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember it was that night where I made a decision to say, \u201cYes; this is what I want.\u201d I mean, all my life I never stopped believing in God; but I just think it is one thing to have someone give you a gift\u2014it\u2019s all wrapped up beautiful and it\u2019s sitting on the table\u2014it\u2019s another thing to open it \/ pull it out of the box and accept it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, August 8<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s because of the gift that JT Olson received from God\u2014the gift of His salvation\u2014that God has used him to be a gift to so many others. We\u2019ll hear his story today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We\u2019ve been hearing a story this week from a guy who\u2014if you\u2019d heard the early story of his life, you wouldn\u2019t think, \u201cThis is a guy who someday is going to be a conduit to bless a lot of widows and a lot of orphans,\u201d but that\u2019s how God works; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>On the other hand, you might look at him and go, \u201cMaybe God was setting him up, all the way back when.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJT Olson joins us again on the broadcast. Welcome back, JT \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Thanks; great to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>JT is the Founder and Executive Director of a ministry to orphans and widows\u2014it\u2019s called Both Hands. Why the name Both Hands? You have to explain that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know, but it hit me when I thought about this whole thing\u2014how it all works\u2014I thought, \u201cBoth hands.\u201d The tagline I came up with was: \u201cOne for the widow. One for the orphan.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So you raise money for people who are adopting an orphan by helping widows instead of playing golf.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I got it; didn\u2019t I?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>You did. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Explain to folks what you\u2019re talking about when you say that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Well, I help a family recruit their team \/ their friends; then they find a widow in their community. I coach them through the whole process, by the way. Their friends send out letters, asking people, \u201cWould you sponsor me for the day while I work on this widow\u2019s house?\u201d They fix up the widow\u2019s house\u2014they try to get all the supplies donated. I encourage them to do things that are mostly de-cluttering\u2014cleaning, landscaping, painting \/ simple stuff. The money they raise\u2014100 percent of the money they raise goes towards the cost of the adoption. Actually, Both Hands doesn\u2019t take any money out for our operations.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And you said 800 orphans and 750 widows, in rough numbers, that\u2019s how many you\u2019ve helped? In what span of time?\u2014how long have you been doing this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>We started in August of \u201908; we\u2019ve now done 665 projects in 42 states\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and helped almost 800 orphans and 700\u2014and what was it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>\u2014[7]39.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>[7]39 widows.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>And have raised $7.6 million for families.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Cool. That\u2019s really cool. And you\u2019ve written a book, called <em>The Orphan, the Widow, and Me,<\/em> which is a story\u2014really, your story of how you grew up on a farm with five brothers and sisters and how your parents were killed in a car wreck when you were 12 years old. Your uncle pulled you into a suburb of Milwaukee and, along with his three other children, raised you guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Wow! What a story of God\u2019s redemption and grace. Do you know when you became a follower of Christ? Was there a point in time? How did you experience God\u2019s redemption?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>I think, in the process of selling books, you see and meet so many people that you\u2019re constantly exposed to it; because you\u2019re exposed to His power and people will share that with you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it was really at the start of my fifth summer\u2014and that had to be 1979\u2014the Senior Vice President of Southwestern, Allan Clements, during sales school \/ a very busy time, just at the end of the day, he pulled me aside and we went for a drive. He pulled off and said, \u201cJT, what are you doing?\u201d I said, \u201cWhat do you mean, what am I doing?\u201d \u201cWhat are you doing with your life?\u201d He said, \u201cYou\u2019re one of our best\u2014you can do almost anything you want\u2014but where are you headed?\u201d I said, \u201cI\u2019m not sure.\u201d He said, \u201cWell\u2026\u201d and he began to share the gospel with me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember it was that night where I made a decision to say, \u201cYes; this is what I want.\u201d I mean, all my life I knew about it \/ I never stopped believing in God; but I just think it is one thing to have someone give you a gift\u2014it\u2019s all wrapped up beautiful and it\u2019s sitting on the table \/ it\u2019s one thing to be given that gift\u2014it\u2019s another thing to open it \/ pull it out of the box and accept it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And what change occurred in your life?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Well, I think it was more of a slow curve. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt wasn\u2019t like a hairpin turn, more like a railroad turn. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Several-mile turn! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>And I think I was always very service-minded; because what always fired me up, I think, was trying to make a difference in people\u2019s lives. That\u2019s what drove me to recruit my friends to sell books, because I wanted my friends to experience what I experienced. I know some of them did. I loved what we sold. I thought it would make a difference in people\u2019s lives if they had our product in their home. I loved working with college students, and that grew \/ that probably got stronger; but also just realizing what was important.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was still in my 20s. Still in your 20s, you\u2019re pretty motivated to make a difference\u2014you know, to do something\u2014that\u2019s in your years, you know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You were also single at the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019d had girlfriends; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes<strong>.<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But nobody serious?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Until\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Until one day this young lady walked into one of my interviews. It was an interview of ten people, and she was really pretty cute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Pretty good salesperson, too, I guess; huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>At the time, I didn\u2019t know that; but she turned out to be pretty good. [Laughter] I explained the process\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Did she bushwhack you?! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>She\u2014when she tells the story\u2014she says, \u201cI wanted to make it fiscally irresponsible for him to ignore me.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, that\u2019s <em>really<\/em>\u2014that\u2019s mixing the motivations; huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes. Well, she went out and did a good job her first summer; but the second summer was when she really shined. She recruited 23 people to come with her, and I never had a recruiter who brought that many. In fact, that doesn\u2019t happen very often.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Twenty-three salespeople!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes; she recruited 23 other people from University of Wisconsin to come with her and sell books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You said you noticed her your first day, though.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Oh, yes. I interviewed all the students in my organization; but yes, she stood out as just strikingly beautiful, as she is today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, at the end of that interview, did you say, \u201cWhat are you doing tonight?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>No. No, no, no, no, no! [Laughter] I would never do that. That was one of the rules\u2014you didn\u2019t mix that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So how long did that gap go from that first day until you did mix that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Until you fired her. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Well, actually, she had come back and was recruiting this big team. It was sometime right about April of probably \u201983. She was bringing this team out\u2014and remember\u2014when you\u2019re bringing a team of 23, I spent a lot with her \/ she spent a lot of time with me\u2014because she was doing something that needed a lot of help, and I helped her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Of course! Of course!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>How kind of you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You were just being a helpful guy!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>She would literally sit on the floor at my feet and ask me questions about management.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Ooh\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>No; she would say that \/ she says that story; okay? I\u2019m not telling you anything she wouldn\u2019t say. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut you know, the thing is \/ what was interesting\u2014and I guess it was different\u2014is that we had developed a very common, mutual respect for one another. That\u2019s what was different. I really respected her \/ admired her, and I think she felt the same way about me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Were you starting to grow spiritually in these years?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Oh, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And she came from a spiritual background?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes. She had gone to church as a young person, I think she accepted Christ her senior year in high school; so yes, she was pretty well-grounded.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Was she looking for somebody who would be a spiritual leader in a relationship?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>I don\u2019t think\u2014when she first walked into the interview\u2014that was on her mind; but I think, as we worked together, I think she began to see things in me that she might have liked a little.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. [Laughter] So, when came the moment that you said, \u201cYou know\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Humbly speaking; right? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When was the moment that you said, \u201cYou know, it\u2019s time for us to have dinner\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Well\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Now remember, she\u2019s an employee. She could still bring a lawsuit against you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>I know. I know it, and I had kissed her before that second summer\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Ooh!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>\u2014and I just didn\u2019t know\u2014like we just\u2014yes, I did that; okay?\u2014but she went out to sell, and then we were kind of\u2014just weren\u2019t real great friends that fall when I came back\u2014but some days we were good friends and some days we weren\u2019t. I just couldn\u2019t figure it all out, but I knew I wasn\u2019t supposed to be dating her. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I remember getting a call from my boss, and he had spent some time with her. She had told him that she loved me. He said, \u201cWould you marry him?\u201d She said, \u201cI would marry him tomorrow if he asked me.\u201d Fred said, \u201cOkay; but\u2026\u201d you know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just knew I wasn\u2019t supposed to date her; but he called me up and said: \u201cJT, I had a long talk with Sarah. Go ahead and date her.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI still remember where I was\u2014I was at the Cliff House in Decorah, Iowa, at Luther College when I got that call. I thought, \u201cOkay!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The <em>Hallelujah Chorus<\/em> started playing in the background. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>\u201cOkay!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, was the kiss that you gave her\u2014was that a reward for great selling?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Ahh\u2014yes; that was a reward for great selling. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So how long before you proposed to her?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Permission came sometime in the first part of December\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014to date her?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>To date her; yes. I asked her to marry me in February, and we eloped in April.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You were how old?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>I was 27 \/ she was 20.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Okay. That\u2019s a little fact you just kind of snuck in there at the end\u2014the seven-year gap. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Well, back then, if you remember, I was within the Prince Charles rule. He and Diana were 13 years apart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s true. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, after you guys married, you started going to church together. There was some stuff happening in your lives \/ in your hearts, especially around the subject of abortion.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Tell us what happened.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know. The more I went to church\u2014and again, I went to church\u2014I enjoyed it \/ I didn\u2019t go to church because I had to. I enjoyed it, because I was hearing some great teaching from some great teachers in Nashville\u2014Don Finto \/ Scotty Smith\u2014I mean, these are guys who are <em>giants<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>But it really opened my eyes. The more you read Scripture, the more you see how much God loves us and how He loves us <em>all<\/em>\u2014and how He loves us \/ I mean, from when we\u2019re formed in our mother\u2019s womb\u2014that\u2019s pretty strong, right there \/ that\u2019s pretty clear: \u201cIn the womb I loved you, I knew you, and I formed you. I changed my attitude about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What had been your attitude about it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Pretty pro-choice. You know, I came from a liberal college. This is the \u201970s, where I came in; but by the time I was in the \u201980s \u2014and 27\/28 years old and growing more, Scripturally, it became clear to me that this was not something, as a nation, that we should be doing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; I remember that same time of life. I remember Mary Ann and me talking about abortion. We kind of adopted that: \u201cWell, I wouldn\u2019t want my daughter to have one; but I guess everybody has to make up their own mind,\u201d until we saw Francis Schaeffer\u2019s movie\u2014<em>Whatever Happened to the Human Race<\/em>\u2014\u2014and the first one was on abortion. That was a paradigm shift for us. I mean, we walked out of that movie sobered by what we\u2019d just seen. All of a sudden, we thought: \u201cThis is bigger than just, \u2018Everybody has to make up their own mind.\u2019 We\u2019re talking about human beings \/ we\u2019re talking about lives here.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And one student that you worked with\u2014her name was Rose?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Tell them about her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Well, there was\u2014Rose was one girl. We had about three or four of them, through the \u201990s, who ended up staying with us while they were pregnant and found themselves in situations they hadn\u2019t planned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember one was Deb\u2014she was determined to have an abortion. I remember it was in January of that year. A bunch of students were in Nashville for this annual meeting, and she had driven down from Wisconsin with a bunch of other students. One of my other students had come up and said: \u201cHey, Deb is pregnant. Don\u2019t worry about it, though; she\u2019s getting an abortion next Wednesday in Iowa.\u201d I\u2019m going, \u201cWhat?!\u201d You know, I just thought, \u201cThat\u2019s not a good idea.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI told my wife about it. She ended up spending some time with Deb and trying to counsel her and trying to get her see, maybe, a different way to look at this\u2014and even talking to her about, \u201cYou can come live with us.\u201d Deb said: \u201cNo; I can\u2019t. My mom and dad would be so disappointed in me. I\u2019m kind of their star child, and what am I going to do? What\u2019s it going to look like? What\u2019s the shame?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe said: \u201cJust live with us. We\u2019ll adopt the baby and everything will be fine. You can go right back to living your life,\u201d because we were kind of experiencing some infertility issues at that point. She said, \u201cNo\u201d; and she drove back to Wisconsin. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember\u2014somewhere \/ had to be in Indiana, on the way back\u2014she heard that song from Eric Clapton and the phrase, \u201cWould you know my name if I saw you in heaven?\u201d It switched\u2014some switch flipped\u2014and all of a sudden, she said, \u201cI can\u2019t do this.\u201d She ended up telling her mom \/ telling her dad. She showed up at our house about a week later, on the doorstep, saying, \u201cIs that deal still good?\u201d [Laughter] We said, \u201cSure.\u201d She stayed with us. It was interesting that the father [of the baby] was really, really mad at me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe was one of my students, too; and Todd had worked with me for five summers. When you work with someone for five summers in this kind of a job at Southwestern, it becomes really close. When you come back for five years, you come back because you have a strong relationship with your manager. He and I were pretty tight; but when he found out that I was not onboard with what he wanted to do\u2014and that was abort this child\u2014he got mad. He was mad, and he was mad at everybody; and I heard about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had to care more about life than I did about whether or not someone was going to be mad at me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo Deb stayed with us. At one point, she ended up deciding to keep the child. It happened at the doctor\u2019s office the same time my wife found out that she was pregnant. [Laughter] It\u2019s a <em>great<\/em> chapter in the book. [Laughter] It\u2019s a funny story. It\u2019s just amazing how she was sitting there, trying to figure out, \u201cHow do I tell the Olsons that I\u2019ve changed my mind?\u201d because Sarah had noticed she wasn\u2019t being happy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was at the doctor\u2019s office\u2014and she was going in for the needles and the blood pressure stuff, you know, and she was about to pass out\u2014and Sarah recognized that. She got right in her face and said: \u201cLook at me, Deb. Look at me! Look at my eyelashes; count my eyelashes.\u201d Sarah had taken her pregnancy test and put it on the counter\u2014it was negative\u2014and so she reached for the pregnancy test: \u201cLike this pregnancy test that I took that\u2019s negative. Look at this. It\u2019s just\u2014\u201d and then she looked at it, and it was positive. She said: \u201cWhose is this? Whose is this?\u201d And the nurse says: \u201cThat\u2019s yours! That\u2019s yours!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhat! What! What! We\u2019re pregnant?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was at that moment where Deb told her: \u201cI\u2019ve been trying to figure out how to tell you, but I don\u2019t want to give this child up. I can\u2019t let you adopt him.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>That was the moment we found out we were pregnant. I think it happened a couple times\u2014women stayed with us and we were going to adopt them [their baby] and then they decided to keep it, and we ended up being pregnant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut you know what? The guy\u2014the father [of Deb\u2019s baby]\u2014what I admired \/ ended up really liking was that he, at some point, decided to become involved in Ashton\u2019s life. It was amazing. Now, I wasn\u2019t aware of that. He had contacted the mom, Deb, and her husband and said, \u201cCan I be involved in Ashton\u2019s life?\u201d; because he had gotten married; and his wife said, \u201cYou have a child and you\u2019re not even supporting her?\u201d His wife kind of got on him. So he became a very important part\u2014well, I didn\u2019t know this\u2014so 18 years after Ashton was born. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI should tell you\u2014the best card we got \/ one of the best things I\u2019ve ever been given\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014a gift\u2014was after Ashton was born. We got a card in the mail about a week later from Deb\u2019s mother, Ashton\u2019s grandmother. It just had two sentences\u2014it says: \u201cThank you for being there when my Deb needed someone,\u201d and \u201cThank you for saving my granddaughter\u2019s life.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>[Emotion in voice] That\u2019s gold! That\u2019s gold! That\u2019s a reward.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You had to hearken back to the drive out of Los Angeles when you turned to your boss with Southwestern, thanking him for believing in you, as a young man \/ changing your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>It did; that\u2019s exactly right! Eighteen years later, I went to the high school graduation of Ashton.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>I walk into that room; and there\u2019s Elaine, Ashton\u2019s grandmother. She runs up the stairs and starts crying and hugging Sarah. I look across the room and there\u2019s Todd, the father. I didn\u2019t know what was going to happen; I just saw him walking towards me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI hadn\u2019t talked to him in 18 years; but he walked up to me and he stopped \/ he shook my hand: \u201cHi, JT,\u201d \u201cHi, Todd.\u201d And then he kind of stepped back like he had to deliver a speech or something, you know, just like he braced himself. He said, \u201cI just want to say how sorry I am.\u201d He said: \u201cI was a jerk, and I was <em>so bad<\/em>. I was so selfish,\u201d and he started confessing just how he felt. He said how wrong he was\u2014he said, \u201cAshton\u2019s turned out to be the <em>best<\/em> thing that\u2019s ever happened to me, and I can\u2019t thank you.\u201d He said, \u201cI want to thank you and Sarah,\u201d and started thanking\u2014and he couldn\u2019t finish \/ he just started sobbing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember just hugging him and feeling those shoulders going up and down in sobs. Here was a man who almost made a mistake 18 years ago, and here his daughter\u2019s graduating. Last year, she got married; and her bio father and her dad both walked her down the aisle.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Oh, wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>You talk about a wedding? I\u2019m so glad I was there to see it\u2014that\u2019s a difference you can make.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I just appreciate you being available. You start thinking about the choice to abort a child\u2014people don\u2019t go out to their graduation, 18 years later \/ they don\u2019t go out to the wedding\u2014to the handoff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>No; they don\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You just wrapped some flesh around that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve been thinking about this question. My listeners know that I\u2019ve had a favorite question I like to ask guests. I want Bob to tell our listeners how to get a copy of your book; but in the meantime, I want you to be thinking about your answer to this question, because I\u2019ve been so amazed by the tapestry of your life \/ the choices you\u2019ve made. I\u2019ve wanted to ask you the question: \u201cWhat is the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done in all your life?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCourage is doing your duty in the face of fear. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, Bob\u2014tell them how they can get a copy of the book, and then we\u2019ll find out JT\u2019s response.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, the title of the book is <em>The Orphan, the Widow, and Me: Paying it Forward with Both Hands<\/em>. We have copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order from us online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; the title of the book, <em>The Orphan, the Widow, and Me<\/em>, by JT Olson. You can also call to order at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, we\u2019ve listened to a true hero on behalf of orphans and widows. It\u2019s not often we meet someone who is caring for <em>both<\/em> the orphan and the widow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We\u2019ve seen a lot of ministries to orphans \/ a few to widows; but JT\u2014you\u2019ve been a great model of how you\u2019ve married those two, interestingly, and helped hundreds and taught other people how to help too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I just kept thinking about this question\u2014and I try not to flip it out every interview and every broadcast\u2014but I had to ask you the question: \u201cWhat\u2019s the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>There\u2019s a few of them that come to mind; but the thing that comes to mind most is when my wife was pregnant with my first child, because I was in Oshkosh, traveling. She called me, long-distance, eleven o\u2019 clock at night\u2014this was before cell phones\u2014and she said, \u201cThe doctor took a test today and said our baby has amniocentesis,\u201d\u2014a couple things \/ spina bifida\u2014it was all this stuff that was not good. She was crying; and I said: \u201cIt is okay. It\u2019s okay.\u201d She says, \u201cNo.\u201d Then she said, \u201cThe doctor said \u2018You\u2019re going to have to decide about this pregnancy.\u2019\u201d She said, \u201cWould you come home please?\u201d I said, \u201cWhat?!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cYou know, \u2018Decide.\u2019\u201d She said, \u201cWould you come home?\u201d I said, \u201cYes; I\u2019ll come home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI happened to be with Alan Clements\u2014the man who led me to Christ\u2014he was traveling with me that day. The next morning, I met him early for breakfast and I told him\u2014I said, \u201cAlan, I\u2019m going home.\u201d At Southwestern\u2014we have this pretty strong work ethic. You know, you worked; and if you had a plan to work, you work. He looked at me, and I know he\u2019d been going through some hard stuff. He says, \u201cJT, I wish, when I was your age, I made those kinds of decisions.\u201d He said: \u201cGo on home. I\u2019ll take care of things here.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI drove\u2014I got in the car. I kept\u2014ringing through my ear was the doctor saying we have to decide about this pregnancy. I thought, \u201cHow do you say you\u2019re pro-life and then, when something like that\u2019s faced, you say, \u2018Well, now, not for me\u2019?\u201d I remember somewhere down halfway to Nashville\u2014that 13-hour drive\u2014it hit me \/ I said, \u201cThere\u2019s no way.\u201d I said: \u201cIf you\u2019re pro-life, you\u2019re pro-life. If you believe life\u2019s important\u2026\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the time I got to Illinois\/Indiana\u2014in that area\u2014my son \/ my imaginary son was in the car seat next to me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe was eight years old; he was ten years; he was twelve years old\u2014there was a wheelchair in the back\u2014and I was driving home. I had imaginary conversations with him about what he can do with his life. One time he said\u2014if he was moping\u2014and I said, \u201cWell, what are you moping about?\u201d He says: \u201cI can\u2019t do anything! Look at me!\u201d I said: \u201cListen to that radio. You can be the best DJ in the world. Come on! There are a lot of things you can do.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was so fired up by the time I got home\u2014my wife wasn\u2019t there yet. You know, I got home\u2014she was still very sad; but me\u2014I was fired up. I said, \u201cNo matter what,\u201d because it was basically\u2014I thought, \u201cMaybe this isn\u2019t all about JT \/ maybe this is what JT needs. JT needs to be given something like this. Maybe he needs to have a little bit of grace and compassion, understand that not everyone has the driver personality. Maybe this is what JT needs. God\u2019s given me this situation, because this is what JT needs.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI walked into the house and I was fired up. I said, \u201cSarah, this is it\u201d\u2014she was all sad. I started kissing her belly, singing <em>White Christmas<\/em> to Jeff, you know, and everything\u2014and that was Bing Crosby. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd she said, \u201cWhat are you talking about?\u201d I said: \u201cSarah, we are in this thing together. We\u2019re going to be able to make it. This is going to be fine. We\u2019re not going to make any decision. No decision has to be made about this.\u201d Turned out\u2014the test was a false positive.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>And Jeff\u2019s amazing\u2014he\u2019s smart as a whip\u2014wonderful young man. It just grieves me to think that: \u201cHow many decisions like that didn\u2019t go that way when people were given that news?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong><em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; A Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t______________________________________________________________________________\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\"><u>donating today<\/u><\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2017 FamilyLife. 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Olson knows what it's like to be an orphan, having lost both his parents when he was a child. Olson explains what led him to create his organization.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2017-08-08.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>JT Olson was a successful young salesman. His career was going well, but his boss decided to take a risk and confront him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>We went for a drive. He pulled off and said: \u201cJT, what are you doing with your life? You\u2019re one of our best\u2014you can do almost anything you want\u2014but where are you headed?\u201d I said, \u201cI\u2019m not sure.\u201d He said, \u201cWell\u2026\u201d and he began to share the gospel with me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember it was that night where I made a decision to say, \u201cYes; this is what I want.\u201d I mean, all my life I never stopped believing in God; but I just think it is one thing to have someone give you a gift\u2014it\u2019s all wrapped up beautiful and it\u2019s sitting on the table\u2014it\u2019s another thing to open it \/ pull it out of the box and accept it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, August 8<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s because of the gift that JT Olson received from God\u2014the gift of His salvation\u2014that God has used him to be a gift to so many others. We\u2019ll hear his story today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We\u2019ve been hearing a story this week from a guy who\u2014if you\u2019d heard the early story of his life, you wouldn\u2019t think, \u201cThis is a guy who someday is going to be a conduit to bless a lot of widows and a lot of orphans,\u201d but that\u2019s how God works; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>On the other hand, you might look at him and go, \u201cMaybe God was setting him up, all the way back when.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJT Olson joins us again on the broadcast. Welcome back, JT \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Thanks; great to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>JT is the Founder and Executive Director of a ministry to orphans and widows\u2014it\u2019s called Both Hands. Why the name Both Hands? You have to explain that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know, but it hit me when I thought about this whole thing\u2014how it all works\u2014I thought, \u201cBoth hands.\u201d The tagline I came up with was: \u201cOne for the widow. One for the orphan.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So you raise money for people who are adopting an orphan by helping widows instead of playing golf.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I got it; didn\u2019t I?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>You did. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Explain to folks what you\u2019re talking about when you say that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Well, I help a family recruit their team \/ their friends; then they find a widow in their community. I coach them through the whole process, by the way. Their friends send out letters, asking people, \u201cWould you sponsor me for the day while I work on this widow\u2019s house?\u201d They fix up the widow\u2019s house\u2014they try to get all the supplies donated. I encourage them to do things that are mostly de-cluttering\u2014cleaning, landscaping, painting \/ simple stuff. The money they raise\u2014100 percent of the money they raise goes towards the cost of the adoption. Actually, Both Hands doesn\u2019t take any money out for our operations.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And you said 800 orphans and 750 widows, in rough numbers, that\u2019s how many you\u2019ve helped? In what span of time?\u2014how long have you been doing this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>We started in August of \u201908; we\u2019ve now done 665 projects in 42 states\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and helped almost 800 orphans and 700\u2014and what was it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>\u2014[7]39.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>[7]39 widows.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>And have raised $7.6 million for families.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Cool. That\u2019s really cool. And you\u2019ve written a book, called <em>The Orphan, the Widow, and Me,<\/em> which is a story\u2014really, your story of how you grew up on a farm with five brothers and sisters and how your parents were killed in a car wreck when you were 12 years old. Your uncle pulled you into a suburb of Milwaukee and, along with his three other children, raised you guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Wow! What a story of God\u2019s redemption and grace. Do you know when you became a follower of Christ? Was there a point in time? How did you experience God\u2019s redemption?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>I think, in the process of selling books, you see and meet so many people that you\u2019re constantly exposed to it; because you\u2019re exposed to His power and people will share that with you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it was really at the start of my fifth summer\u2014and that had to be 1979\u2014the Senior Vice President of Southwestern, Allan Clements, during sales school \/ a very busy time, just at the end of the day, he pulled me aside and we went for a drive. He pulled off and said, \u201cJT, what are you doing?\u201d I said, \u201cWhat do you mean, what am I doing?\u201d \u201cWhat are you doing with your life?\u201d He said, \u201cYou\u2019re one of our best\u2014you can do almost anything you want\u2014but where are you headed?\u201d I said, \u201cI\u2019m not sure.\u201d He said, \u201cWell\u2026\u201d and he began to share the gospel with me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember it was that night where I made a decision to say, \u201cYes; this is what I want.\u201d I mean, all my life I knew about it \/ I never stopped believing in God; but I just think it is one thing to have someone give you a gift\u2014it\u2019s all wrapped up beautiful and it\u2019s sitting on the table \/ it\u2019s one thing to be given that gift\u2014it\u2019s another thing to open it \/ pull it out of the box and accept it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And what change occurred in your life?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Well, I think it was more of a slow curve. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt wasn\u2019t like a hairpin turn, more like a railroad turn. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Several-mile turn! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>And I think I was always very service-minded; because what always fired me up, I think, was trying to make a difference in people\u2019s lives. That\u2019s what drove me to recruit my friends to sell books, because I wanted my friends to experience what I experienced. I know some of them did. I loved what we sold. I thought it would make a difference in people\u2019s lives if they had our product in their home. I loved working with college students, and that grew \/ that probably got stronger; but also just realizing what was important.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was still in my 20s. Still in your 20s, you\u2019re pretty motivated to make a difference\u2014you know, to do something\u2014that\u2019s in your years, you know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You were also single at the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019d had girlfriends; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes<strong>.<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But nobody serious?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Until\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Until one day this young lady walked into one of my interviews. It was an interview of ten people, and she was really pretty cute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Pretty good salesperson, too, I guess; huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>At the time, I didn\u2019t know that; but she turned out to be pretty good. [Laughter] I explained the process\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Did she bushwhack you?! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>She\u2014when she tells the story\u2014she says, \u201cI wanted to make it fiscally irresponsible for him to ignore me.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, that\u2019s <em>really<\/em>\u2014that\u2019s mixing the motivations; huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes. Well, she went out and did a good job her first summer; but the second summer was when she really shined. She recruited 23 people to come with her, and I never had a recruiter who brought that many. In fact, that doesn\u2019t happen very often.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Twenty-three salespeople!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes; she recruited 23 other people from University of Wisconsin to come with her and sell books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You said you noticed her your first day, though.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Oh, yes. I interviewed all the students in my organization; but yes, she stood out as just strikingly beautiful, as she is today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, at the end of that interview, did you say, \u201cWhat are you doing tonight?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>No. No, no, no, no, no! [Laughter] I would never do that. That was one of the rules\u2014you didn\u2019t mix that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So how long did that gap go from that first day until you did mix that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Until you fired her. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Well, actually, she had come back and was recruiting this big team. It was sometime right about April of probably \u201983. She was bringing this team out\u2014and remember\u2014when you\u2019re bringing a team of 23, I spent a lot with her \/ she spent a lot of time with me\u2014because she was doing something that needed a lot of help, and I helped her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Of course! Of course!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>How kind of you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You were just being a helpful guy!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>She would literally sit on the floor at my feet and ask me questions about management.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Ooh\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>No; she would say that \/ she says that story; okay? I\u2019m not telling you anything she wouldn\u2019t say. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut you know, the thing is \/ what was interesting\u2014and I guess it was different\u2014is that we had developed a very common, mutual respect for one another. That\u2019s what was different. I really respected her \/ admired her, and I think she felt the same way about me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Were you starting to grow spiritually in these years?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Oh, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And she came from a spiritual background?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes. She had gone to church as a young person, I think she accepted Christ her senior year in high school; so yes, she was pretty well-grounded.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Was she looking for somebody who would be a spiritual leader in a relationship?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>I don\u2019t think\u2014when she first walked into the interview\u2014that was on her mind; but I think, as we worked together, I think she began to see things in me that she might have liked a little.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. [Laughter] So, when came the moment that you said, \u201cYou know\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Humbly speaking; right? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When was the moment that you said, \u201cYou know, it\u2019s time for us to have dinner\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Well\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Now remember, she\u2019s an employee. She could still bring a lawsuit against you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>I know. I know it, and I had kissed her before that second summer\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Ooh!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>\u2014and I just didn\u2019t know\u2014like we just\u2014yes, I did that; okay?\u2014but she went out to sell, and then we were kind of\u2014just weren\u2019t real great friends that fall when I came back\u2014but some days we were good friends and some days we weren\u2019t. I just couldn\u2019t figure it all out, but I knew I wasn\u2019t supposed to be dating her. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I remember getting a call from my boss, and he had spent some time with her. She had told him that she loved me. He said, \u201cWould you marry him?\u201d She said, \u201cI would marry him tomorrow if he asked me.\u201d Fred said, \u201cOkay; but\u2026\u201d you know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just knew I wasn\u2019t supposed to date her; but he called me up and said: \u201cJT, I had a long talk with Sarah. Go ahead and date her.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI still remember where I was\u2014I was at the Cliff House in Decorah, Iowa, at Luther College when I got that call. I thought, \u201cOkay!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The <em>Hallelujah Chorus<\/em> started playing in the background. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>\u201cOkay!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, was the kiss that you gave her\u2014was that a reward for great selling?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Ahh\u2014yes; that was a reward for great selling. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So how long before you proposed to her?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Permission came sometime in the first part of December\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014to date her?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>To date her; yes. I asked her to marry me in February, and we eloped in April.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You were how old?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>I was 27 \/ she was 20.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Okay. That\u2019s a little fact you just kind of snuck in there at the end\u2014the seven-year gap. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Well, back then, if you remember, I was within the Prince Charles rule. He and Diana were 13 years apart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s true. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, after you guys married, you started going to church together. There was some stuff happening in your lives \/ in your hearts, especially around the subject of abortion.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Tell us what happened.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know. The more I went to church\u2014and again, I went to church\u2014I enjoyed it \/ I didn\u2019t go to church because I had to. I enjoyed it, because I was hearing some great teaching from some great teachers in Nashville\u2014Don Finto \/ Scotty Smith\u2014I mean, these are guys who are <em>giants<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>But it really opened my eyes. The more you read Scripture, the more you see how much God loves us and how He loves us <em>all<\/em>\u2014and how He loves us \/ I mean, from when we\u2019re formed in our mother\u2019s womb\u2014that\u2019s pretty strong, right there \/ that\u2019s pretty clear: \u201cIn the womb I loved you, I knew you, and I formed you. I changed my attitude about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What had been your attitude about it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Pretty pro-choice. You know, I came from a liberal college. This is the \u201970s, where I came in; but by the time I was in the \u201980s \u2014and 27\/28 years old and growing more, Scripturally, it became clear to me that this was not something, as a nation, that we should be doing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; I remember that same time of life. I remember Mary Ann and me talking about abortion. We kind of adopted that: \u201cWell, I wouldn\u2019t want my daughter to have one; but I guess everybody has to make up their own mind,\u201d until we saw Francis Schaeffer\u2019s movie\u2014<em>Whatever Happened to the Human Race<\/em>\u2014\u2014and the first one was on abortion. That was a paradigm shift for us. I mean, we walked out of that movie sobered by what we\u2019d just seen. All of a sudden, we thought: \u201cThis is bigger than just, \u2018Everybody has to make up their own mind.\u2019 We\u2019re talking about human beings \/ we\u2019re talking about lives here.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And one student that you worked with\u2014her name was Rose?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Tell them about her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>Well, there was\u2014Rose was one girl. We had about three or four of them, through the \u201990s, who ended up staying with us while they were pregnant and found themselves in situations they hadn\u2019t planned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember one was Deb\u2014she was determined to have an abortion. I remember it was in January of that year. A bunch of students were in Nashville for this annual meeting, and she had driven down from Wisconsin with a bunch of other students. One of my other students had come up and said: \u201cHey, Deb is pregnant. Don\u2019t worry about it, though; she\u2019s getting an abortion next Wednesday in Iowa.\u201d I\u2019m going, \u201cWhat?!\u201d You know, I just thought, \u201cThat\u2019s not a good idea.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI told my wife about it. She ended up spending some time with Deb and trying to counsel her and trying to get her see, maybe, a different way to look at this\u2014and even talking to her about, \u201cYou can come live with us.\u201d Deb said: \u201cNo; I can\u2019t. My mom and dad would be so disappointed in me. I\u2019m kind of their star child, and what am I going to do? What\u2019s it going to look like? What\u2019s the shame?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe said: \u201cJust live with us. We\u2019ll adopt the baby and everything will be fine. You can go right back to living your life,\u201d because we were kind of experiencing some infertility issues at that point. She said, \u201cNo\u201d; and she drove back to Wisconsin. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember\u2014somewhere \/ had to be in Indiana, on the way back\u2014she heard that song from Eric Clapton and the phrase, \u201cWould you know my name if I saw you in heaven?\u201d It switched\u2014some switch flipped\u2014and all of a sudden, she said, \u201cI can\u2019t do this.\u201d She ended up telling her mom \/ telling her dad. She showed up at our house about a week later, on the doorstep, saying, \u201cIs that deal still good?\u201d [Laughter] We said, \u201cSure.\u201d She stayed with us. It was interesting that the father [of the baby] was really, really mad at me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe was one of my students, too; and Todd had worked with me for five summers. When you work with someone for five summers in this kind of a job at Southwestern, it becomes really close. When you come back for five years, you come back because you have a strong relationship with your manager. He and I were pretty tight; but when he found out that I was not onboard with what he wanted to do\u2014and that was abort this child\u2014he got mad. He was mad, and he was mad at everybody; and I heard about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had to care more about life than I did about whether or not someone was going to be mad at me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo Deb stayed with us. At one point, she ended up deciding to keep the child. It happened at the doctor\u2019s office the same time my wife found out that she was pregnant. [Laughter] It\u2019s a <em>great<\/em> chapter in the book. [Laughter] It\u2019s a funny story. It\u2019s just amazing how she was sitting there, trying to figure out, \u201cHow do I tell the Olsons that I\u2019ve changed my mind?\u201d because Sarah had noticed she wasn\u2019t being happy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was at the doctor\u2019s office\u2014and she was going in for the needles and the blood pressure stuff, you know, and she was about to pass out\u2014and Sarah recognized that. She got right in her face and said: \u201cLook at me, Deb. Look at me! Look at my eyelashes; count my eyelashes.\u201d Sarah had taken her pregnancy test and put it on the counter\u2014it was negative\u2014and so she reached for the pregnancy test: \u201cLike this pregnancy test that I took that\u2019s negative. Look at this. It\u2019s just\u2014\u201d and then she looked at it, and it was positive. She said: \u201cWhose is this? Whose is this?\u201d And the nurse says: \u201cThat\u2019s yours! That\u2019s yours!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhat! What! What! We\u2019re pregnant?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was at that moment where Deb told her: \u201cI\u2019ve been trying to figure out how to tell you, but I don\u2019t want to give this child up. I can\u2019t let you adopt him.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>That was the moment we found out we were pregnant. I think it happened a couple times\u2014women stayed with us and we were going to adopt them [their baby] and then they decided to keep it, and we ended up being pregnant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut you know what? The guy\u2014the father [of Deb\u2019s baby]\u2014what I admired \/ ended up really liking was that he, at some point, decided to become involved in Ashton\u2019s life. It was amazing. Now, I wasn\u2019t aware of that. He had contacted the mom, Deb, and her husband and said, \u201cCan I be involved in Ashton\u2019s life?\u201d; because he had gotten married; and his wife said, \u201cYou have a child and you\u2019re not even supporting her?\u201d His wife kind of got on him. So he became a very important part\u2014well, I didn\u2019t know this\u2014so 18 years after Ashton was born. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI should tell you\u2014the best card we got \/ one of the best things I\u2019ve ever been given\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014a gift\u2014was after Ashton was born. We got a card in the mail about a week later from Deb\u2019s mother, Ashton\u2019s grandmother. It just had two sentences\u2014it says: \u201cThank you for being there when my Deb needed someone,\u201d and \u201cThank you for saving my granddaughter\u2019s life.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>[Emotion in voice] That\u2019s gold! That\u2019s gold! That\u2019s a reward.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You had to hearken back to the drive out of Los Angeles when you turned to your boss with Southwestern, thanking him for believing in you, as a young man \/ changing your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>It did; that\u2019s exactly right! Eighteen years later, I went to the high school graduation of Ashton.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>I walk into that room; and there\u2019s Elaine, Ashton\u2019s grandmother. She runs up the stairs and starts crying and hugging Sarah. I look across the room and there\u2019s Todd, the father. I didn\u2019t know what was going to happen; I just saw him walking towards me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI hadn\u2019t talked to him in 18 years; but he walked up to me and he stopped \/ he shook my hand: \u201cHi, JT,\u201d \u201cHi, Todd.\u201d And then he kind of stepped back like he had to deliver a speech or something, you know, just like he braced himself. He said, \u201cI just want to say how sorry I am.\u201d He said: \u201cI was a jerk, and I was <em>so bad<\/em>. I was so selfish,\u201d and he started confessing just how he felt. He said how wrong he was\u2014he said, \u201cAshton\u2019s turned out to be the <em>best<\/em> thing that\u2019s ever happened to me, and I can\u2019t thank you.\u201d He said, \u201cI want to thank you and Sarah,\u201d and started thanking\u2014and he couldn\u2019t finish \/ he just started sobbing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember just hugging him and feeling those shoulders going up and down in sobs. Here was a man who almost made a mistake 18 years ago, and here his daughter\u2019s graduating. Last year, she got married; and her bio father and her dad both walked her down the aisle.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Oh, wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>You talk about a wedding? I\u2019m so glad I was there to see it\u2014that\u2019s a difference you can make.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I just appreciate you being available. You start thinking about the choice to abort a child\u2014people don\u2019t go out to their graduation, 18 years later \/ they don\u2019t go out to the wedding\u2014to the handoff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>No; they don\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You just wrapped some flesh around that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve been thinking about this question. My listeners know that I\u2019ve had a favorite question I like to ask guests. I want Bob to tell our listeners how to get a copy of your book; but in the meantime, I want you to be thinking about your answer to this question, because I\u2019ve been so amazed by the tapestry of your life \/ the choices you\u2019ve made. I\u2019ve wanted to ask you the question: \u201cWhat is the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done in all your life?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCourage is doing your duty in the face of fear. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, Bob\u2014tell them how they can get a copy of the book, and then we\u2019ll find out JT\u2019s response.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, the title of the book is <em>The Orphan, the Widow, and Me: Paying it Forward with Both Hands<\/em>. We have copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order from us online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; the title of the book, <em>The Orphan, the Widow, and Me<\/em>, by JT Olson. You can also call to order at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, we\u2019ve listened to a true hero on behalf of orphans and widows. It\u2019s not often we meet someone who is caring for <em>both<\/em> the orphan and the widow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We\u2019ve seen a lot of ministries to orphans \/ a few to widows; but JT\u2014you\u2019ve been a great model of how you\u2019ve married those two, interestingly, and helped hundreds and taught other people how to help too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I just kept thinking about this question\u2014and I try not to flip it out every interview and every broadcast\u2014but I had to ask you the question: \u201cWhat\u2019s the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>There\u2019s a few of them that come to mind; but the thing that comes to mind most is when my wife was pregnant with my first child, because I was in Oshkosh, traveling. She called me, long-distance, eleven o\u2019 clock at night\u2014this was before cell phones\u2014and she said, \u201cThe doctor took a test today and said our baby has amniocentesis,\u201d\u2014a couple things \/ spina bifida\u2014it was all this stuff that was not good. She was crying; and I said: \u201cIt is okay. It\u2019s okay.\u201d She says, \u201cNo.\u201d Then she said, \u201cThe doctor said \u2018You\u2019re going to have to decide about this pregnancy.\u2019\u201d She said, \u201cWould you come home please?\u201d I said, \u201cWhat?!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cYou know, \u2018Decide.\u2019\u201d She said, \u201cWould you come home?\u201d I said, \u201cYes; I\u2019ll come home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI happened to be with Alan Clements\u2014the man who led me to Christ\u2014he was traveling with me that day. The next morning, I met him early for breakfast and I told him\u2014I said, \u201cAlan, I\u2019m going home.\u201d At Southwestern\u2014we have this pretty strong work ethic. You know, you worked; and if you had a plan to work, you work. He looked at me, and I know he\u2019d been going through some hard stuff. He says, \u201cJT, I wish, when I was your age, I made those kinds of decisions.\u201d He said: \u201cGo on home. I\u2019ll take care of things here.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI drove\u2014I got in the car. I kept\u2014ringing through my ear was the doctor saying we have to decide about this pregnancy. I thought, \u201cHow do you say you\u2019re pro-life and then, when something like that\u2019s faced, you say, \u2018Well, now, not for me\u2019?\u201d I remember somewhere down halfway to Nashville\u2014that 13-hour drive\u2014it hit me \/ I said, \u201cThere\u2019s no way.\u201d I said: \u201cIf you\u2019re pro-life, you\u2019re pro-life. If you believe life\u2019s important\u2026\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the time I got to Illinois\/Indiana\u2014in that area\u2014my son \/ my imaginary son was in the car seat next to me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe was eight years old; he was ten years; he was twelve years old\u2014there was a wheelchair in the back\u2014and I was driving home. I had imaginary conversations with him about what he can do with his life. One time he said\u2014if he was moping\u2014and I said, \u201cWell, what are you moping about?\u201d He says: \u201cI can\u2019t do anything! Look at me!\u201d I said: \u201cListen to that radio. You can be the best DJ in the world. Come on! There are a lot of things you can do.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was so fired up by the time I got home\u2014my wife wasn\u2019t there yet. You know, I got home\u2014she was still very sad; but me\u2014I was fired up. I said, \u201cNo matter what,\u201d because it was basically\u2014I thought, \u201cMaybe this isn\u2019t all about JT \/ maybe this is what JT needs. JT needs to be given something like this. Maybe he needs to have a little bit of grace and compassion, understand that not everyone has the driver personality. Maybe this is what JT needs. God\u2019s given me this situation, because this is what JT needs.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI walked into the house and I was fired up. I said, \u201cSarah, this is it\u201d\u2014she was all sad. I started kissing her belly, singing <em>White Christmas<\/em> to Jeff, you know, and everything\u2014and that was Bing Crosby. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd she said, \u201cWhat are you talking about?\u201d I said: \u201cSarah, we are in this thing together. We\u2019re going to be able to make it. This is going to be fine. We\u2019re not going to make any decision. No decision has to be made about this.\u201d Turned out\u2014the test was a false positive.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>JT: <\/strong>And Jeff\u2019s amazing\u2014he\u2019s smart as a whip\u2014wonderful young man. It just grieves me to think that: \u201cHow many decisions like that didn\u2019t go that way when people were given that news?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong><em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas; A Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> Ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t______________________________________________________________________________\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\"><u>donating today<\/u><\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2017 FamilyLife. 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