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Maybe the better question is\u2014do you know how to keep your buttons from getting pushed? Here\u2019s Karis Kimmel Murray.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>When your emotions are going off\u2014they are happening\u2014you have to choose to sort of disconnect from your victimhood and act in the best interest of your kids, because you are the first responder to their crises that their behaviors create\u2014but you\u2019re also the victim of their behavior\u2014you\u2019re in that burning building with them\u2014but you have to be the firefighter that responds to save them at the same time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, August 2nd. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. When there is an emotional crisis going on between you and your children, it\u2019s up to you to be the grown-up. We\u2019ll talk more about that today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I think you need to find out from our guest about the time she walked out of the grocery store without paying for her groceries.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>The time I accidentally shoplifted groceries?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Wow. Well, I knew you compared parents to firefighters, first responders, but I wasn\u2019t thinking of police.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Felons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes; right. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s Karis Kimmel Murray who is destroying her reputation. She is the author of the book <em>Grace-Based Discipline: How to Be at Your Best When Your Kids Are at Their Worst<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Don\u2019t you love the picture on the front of this book? I mean, here\u2019s a kid with a muddy face, and he just has that look in his eye like, \u201cI\u2019m going to get it from my mom and dad.\u201d I love it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This is not one of yours\u2014because you have two teenage daughters\u2014but where\u2019d you get this kid?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis:<\/strong> He\u2019s a model. He had a whole great series of photos\u2014and I just saw him and I saw his little muddy face\u2014and I knew\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve seen that look on my own children\u2014where you see them in the backyard and they were in their school clothes five minutes ago, clean and ready to go to school\u2014and you look out into the backyard and they\u2019ve destroyed their clothes. [Laughter] I have two girls and they did it too, and you want to run out there and scream all three of their names as loud as you can and just let them have it. Those are the kind of those moments, as a mom, where you have to stop and go, \u201cWhat is the right thing to come next?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019ve written this book about grace based discipline. I\u2019m wondering\u2014would your kids say, \u201cMy mom is so strict. She is such a strict mom.\u201d Do you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>I think that they would acknowledge that I am strict about things that their friends\u2019 parents maybe aren\u2019t\u2014that I seem to care about things that their friends\u2019 parents don\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Now you\u2019ve written this book on it. They\u2019re probably really annoyed that you\u2019re in this whole line of work, aren\u2019t they?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Well, their new favorite thing to do now is when I say something inappropriate or wrong\u2014which is frequently\u2014they go, \u201cMom, you wrote a parenting book,\u201d or they say it sarcastically, like, \u201cShe wrote a parenting book, folks!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I have news for you\u2014having written a book on raising adolescents before we were done raising adolescents\u2014it <em>will<\/em> come back to haunt you. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes, I know it will.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Tell us about the grocery store. What happened?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Tired, working mom, I went to the store. I didn\u2019t even have my kids with me this time, but I just was walking through the aisles pulling things down, putting them in my cart, until finally I looked down and went, \u201cYep, that\u2019s everything I need.\u201d And I just walked my cart out to the car. As I\u2019m loading it all in my truck I\u2019m like, \u201cMan, why didn\u2019t they put any of this stuff in bags? That\u2019s super weird.\u201d I\u2019m thinking, \u201cIs Walmart trying to save the environment now\u2014is it like California where you have to buy your bags?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did anybody follow you out?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>No! I\u2019m like, \u201cOh, I forgot to check out,\u201d right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was the longest walk back into the store. Everybody is trying to come out the \u201cin\u201d door, and so I\u2019m stuck behind a throng of people with all these contraband groceries in my cart. The alarms didn\u2019t go off, either\u2014that\u2019s the craziest thing. This particular Walmart, literally every time I walk in the door the alarm goes off. So it goes off when you walk in, but not when you\u2019re shoplifting a cartful of groceries.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>This is what parenting does to parents.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>To our brains, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Which is what I explained to the manager when I walked back in. I said, \u201cI have mommy brain and it made me go all walking dead and I don\u2019t know what I did; I just accidentally stole all this stuff.\u201d He was like, \u201cIt\u2019s going to be okay, honey.\u201d He goes, \u201cI\u2019m not calling the cops. Let\u2019s just go check out and let\u2019s have you pay for this and that\u2019ll be okay.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You have a goal\u2014you want to see parents better understand and better apply discipline in their homes, and do it in an environment of grace.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s what your book, <em>Grace Based Discipline<\/em>, is all about. You\u2019re not saying\u2014in the book\u2014that grace means we live in a no-rules family. In fact, you have the Murray family rules at your house; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes\u2014because that\u2019s not the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is not a kingdom with no rules\u2014if God is our Father and we\u2019re His children\u2014then that\u2019s not the example He\u2019s setting for us\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Are these rules something that you and your husband wrote on your honeymoon?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>No. I mean, if you have been tracking up to this point you know that we had a plan that went off the rails pretty early on, and we hardly did anything on purpose from that point on for a while. It just kind of felt like we were chasing our life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You had a couple of kids\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis:<\/strong> Had a couple of kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and you said you compare parenting to\u2014like firefighters. That\u2019s where you had the idea of the rules in the first place; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. My brother Colt is a firefighter with the Phoenix fire department, and I was talking with him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe were kind of talking through some ideas that I had about the book and talking about first responders and\u2014how do they know what to do in a situation? How do they prepare for what they\u2019re going to roll up on so that they can respond and not react\u2014and that kind of thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe says, \u201cWell, we have rules, and those rules are: Rule number one\u2014survive; Rule number two\u2014prevent harm; Rule number three\u2014be nice. Those are the three.\u201d That\u2019s the hierarchy, too. First of all, they have to survive\u2014because if they don\u2019t survive nobody else can either. Second is to prevent harm\u2014and then to try to be nice while they\u2019re doing it. That really\u2026those three things\u2014the Phoenix fire department has boiled down their philosophy and their strategy and their protocol\u2014to those three rules.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Those sound like they\u2019d work for parents too: survive, prevent harm, and be nice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Well, yes\u2014prevent harm and be nice. I mean yes, they work in so many different situations. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it kind of got me thinking, \u201cOh, the firefighters have three rules,\u201d and according to Colt you can kind of grab any firefighter and ask them\u2014in his department\u2014and say, \u201cWhat are the rules?\u201d and they will rattle those off. They know them by heart. So I thought, \u201cYes. I wonder if my kids could do the same thing? Could they tell someone what are the Murray family rules?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was in my room writing in my journal, doing some studying\u2014some preparation, and I was like, \u201cOh, we\u2019re going to do a little impromptu experiment and put them on the spot and see what they say,\u201d which is always a great idea with children\u2014by the way\u2014because have you noticed that kids really love to make their parents look good? No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Not at our house. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. Sarcasm. I called my older daughter in and I said, \u201cRiley, what are the rules? If someone was new to our house and you were trying to explain to them what the rules were\u2014what would you say?\u201d She\u2019s like, \u201cI don\u2019t know.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHer personality is that she kind of thinks that anything\u2014she\u2019s a pleaser\u2014so she thinks that anything that she\u2019s done that\u2019s displeased or annoyed or pushed our buttons in the last six months ought to be a rule. So from her it was things like, \u201cDon\u2019t cut your hair and leave it in the sink,\u201d and, \u201cDon\u2019t leave scissors on the couch,\u201d and, \u201cDon\u2019t color your sister with markers.\u201d She\u2019s rattling off\u2014and I\u2019m thinking, \u201cWell, we kind of missed the mark on that one,\u201d but I\u2019m writing them all down. I said, \u201cOkay, thank you, you\u2019re done. Call your sister in here, but don\u2019t tell her anything, because I want to get her shocked response as well.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe comes in and I said, \u201cLydia, what are the rules? If you were going to tell someone the Murray family code and they were new to our family and you wanted them to know, \u2018These are the things you need to know about being a Murray,\u2019 what would you say?\u201d She\u2019s like, \u201cMom, I can see through the page what Riley told you,\u201d She\u2019s like, \u201cWhat did Riley say?\u201d I\u2019m like, \u201cNo, I want to know what you think.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe kind of winds up and she goes, \u201cNever pass up a chance to go to the bathroom.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Laughter] That was what she said.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s the rule.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Clearly I was winning at the parenting game in that moment and thinking, \u201cFirst of all, neither of them said anything that I would consider our rules. One thinks that everything she\u2019s done that annoys us should be a rule, and the other one thinks that there are no rules except for, \u2018Don\u2019t pass up an opportunity to use the restroom,\u2019\u201d which is a good principle, but\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Not a rule.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, let\u2019s go to the Murray family rules, then. What\u2019s rule number one?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Well, rule number one is forgive. We kind of qualify all of these rules. We have a quick one or two word statement, but then we explain it a little bit. So rule number one is, \u201cForgive\u2014be quick to seek, grant, and accept forgiveness.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You need to know that when I saw this I thought, \u201cYou\u2019re absolutely on target,\u201d because I believe what the family is\u2014is an incubator to train the next generation for how a group of imperfect, sinful, selfish human beings live together in this thing called family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Some of them will get married and they\u2019re going to learn how to live together with another selfish, sinful spouse\u2014of which they will be one too. And if you don\u2019t know how to seek, grant, and\u2014what\u2019s the last?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Seek, grant, and accept forgiveness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There you go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Accept is on there for a reason, right? Because a lot of times we have a hard time accepting others\u2019 forgiveness or forgiving ourselves and accepting God\u2019s forgiveness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What\u2019s your definition of forgiveness that you trained your daughters with?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know that I have defined it specifically for them, but forgetting to the capacity that we can\u2014taking something off the table in terms of recalling and remembering and rehashing it. I mean, God\u2019s able to forget our sins and remember them no more. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are human beings\u2014so we can\u2019t actually forget\u2014but it\u2019s interesting that the process of truly letting go of our hurt and our pain and saying, \u201cYou\u2019re off my hook.\u201d I mean, people aren\u2019t off God\u2019s hook for what they did\u2014there are still consequences\u2014but when you forgive, you\u2019re saying, \u201cI\u2019m letting you off my hook.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You nailed it at that point. Absolutely\u2014because forgiveness is giving up the right to punish another person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So letting them off the hook means they\u2019re no longer guilty as charged and under that dreaded word\u2014punishment\u2014where you\u2019re trying to hurt them back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right; exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There may still be consequences or pain or memories, because we can forgive things even if we remember them, even if there\u2019s still pain attached to it, even if there are consequences. We can still decide, \u201cI\u2019m going to not hold you accountable for how you wronged me here. I\u2019m going to let you off the hook.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There\u2019s such a thing as a scar. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you\u2019ve wounded someone and it heals\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There are still scars.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There are still scars. Children have to be trained repeatedly\u2014and this is very tiresome.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So you would say to your kids, \u201cWe have a rule in this house, and that\u2019s that we forgive one another.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. And that we\u2019re quick to seek forgiveness when we know we\u2019ve wronged someone, then we\u2019re quick to grant that forgiveness, and we\u2019re quick to accept the forgiveness. Quick is important, because it creates a standard whereby\u2014we\u2019re not flippant about it, but the process of reconciliation can\u2019t begin until forgiveness has happened, so the sooner that that happens, the faster it happens\u2014the less damage\u2014collateral damage that happens along the way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So you and your husband have to model this for your kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And you have to model by forgiving them or by asking for forgiveness when you\u2019ve wronged them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Are they picking up on it? Are they forgiving each other quickly?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes, and I mean, truly\u2014as parent\u2014what you <em>do<\/em> is what matters the absolute most with your kids. What you say only matters if they see your life reflect what you say. If they see your life reflect the opposite of what you say, they\u2019re going to assume that you must not really believe it and it must not really be true. So, we have to be quick with this. I watched my parents do it. It established a paradigm by which we are moved quickly to forgiveness\u2014to asking for it, to doing it publicly, to doing it in front of them\u2014admitting wrong quickly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think for them, they see that we know we\u2019re not perfect parents and that we know they\u2019re not perfect kids. Nobody expects perfection\u2014but we\u2019re just going to patch things up as we go, the best that we can.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Karis, I like all ten, but I <em>really<\/em> like number two, because we are training the next generation of warriors. Warriors in a culture that is increasingly going to be hostile to any warrior who stands strong for Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. Rule number two is, \u201cBe brave\u2014face your fears, especially when it\u2019s required to do the hard but right thing.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy oldest daughter\u2014her name is Riley\u2014and that name means \u201cvaliant one.\u201d My younger daughter\u2019s name is Lydia, named after the biblical woman in the Bible who was very courageous. So courage\u2014especially in women\u2014I think is so powerful. It\u2019s sort of expected in men, and it\u2019s not always expected in women. They <em>act<\/em> courageously and that is a calling on our lives as believers\u2014that we ought to not be afraid. It says it all over the Bible. Don\u2019t be afraid. It doesn\u2019t mean we don\u2019t feel fear\u2014but it means we don\u2019t let fear rule us and act out of our fears.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well here\u2019s what Dennis would tell you courage means: courage means doing your duty in the face of fear.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Even when you fear, you do what you\u2019re supposed to do because that\u2019s what brave people do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So Karis, your kids are going to listen to this broadcast. I want to know\u2014in all your life\u2014what\u2019s the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done? Courage is doing your duty in the face of fear. It\u2019s the Murray family rule.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Number two, and I\u2019ve stalled now for about 15 seconds. You\u2019re thinking, I can tell.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>I\u2019m thinking.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019ve seen the Kimmel look from your dad before when he\u2019s thinking\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>When he\u2019s winding up?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Well, I kind of want to say making the choice to write a book was a big leap for me, because it was hard. I watched my dad do it and I knew how painful the process is\u2014at least is for him. It\u2019s like giving birth. I didn\u2019t want to sign up for that, but I felt like I needed to do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll also say a bit moment where I had to just draw on courage and not be afraid was\u2014my husband in the hospital for about a month-and-a-half\u2014this has been years now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe was very sick. There were a couple of nights he was going to bed, I was holding him in his hospital bed wondering if he would wake up in the morning\u2014not being sure. During that time the recession had hit and his business was suffering tremendously. We had kind of gone all in on it and so I knew we were headed for a financial unraveling, personally, and we would probably lose our house. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was just gripping onto the fragments of our life, especially the things that looked good on the outside, because you know, I\u2019m the minister\u2019s daughter\u2014I should have it all together\u2014I need to look like I\u2019m living out this gracious legacy that I\u2019ve been given. I had put that pressure on myself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, going through these very visible struggles\u2014which, losing your house is a visible struggle\u2014I was just like, \u201cI am going to work through this. We\u2019re going to make this happen, we\u2019re going to make it right\u2014we\u2019re going to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps.\u201d And God kept saying to me, \u201cBe still. Be still.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat verse would echo through my mind, \u201cBe still and know that I am God,\u201d and I\u2019m like, \u201cLord! Be still? You want me to just stand still and do nothing? That is not who I am. You didn\u2019t make me to do nothing in the face of this kind of stuff.\u201d Finally I understood that \u201cbe still,\u201d the Hebrew word is <em>rapa<\/em>, which means to make fall or to let go. I realized what the Lord was telling me was, \u201cBe still in My love and in My favor and in My grace for you. Let it fall, because it\u2019s going to\u2014so you could keep clinging or you could let it all fall down\u2014and then let me rebuild it in you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was a moment where I picked up my cell phone and I called my husband and I just said, \u201cI\u2019m not afraid anymore. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI\u2019m not afraid to face whatever\u2019s coming\u2014I\u2019m not ashamed. We\u2019re just going to join hands. Our family is a family that loves each other no matter where we live. Let\u2019s give the house back to the bank. Let\u2019s let it go\u2014let\u2019s move forward.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was a hard time for a lot of people, that period of time, but I just had to let go of expectations I\u2019d put on myself\u2014of image, of sort of a fa\u00e7ade that I\u2014at least in my mind\u2014thought that I had built, and people\u2019s perception of me\u2014and just say, \u201cLord, take whatever You\u2019re going to take. I\u2019m letting it fall out of my hands, and You\u2019re going to be there with me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen those years of rebuilding were just sort of weathering that period of time with our business and our home. The closest I\u2019ve ever felt to the Lord was during that period, and He really rewarded that act of faith for me by being close and being near.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Bob, I\u2019m looking at these other eight rules of the Murray family and I\u2019m thinking how powerful these first two are and how much is demanded of the parent first\u2014on both of them\u2014to forgive and to ask for forgiveness, to be courageous and not be afraid.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what you\u2019re training your kids to do as a parent\u2014you\u2019re modeling before you teach.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>These are rules for me and for my husband before they\u2019re rules for our kids. It just helps to have them codified and solidified so that we can remind ourselves. Israel constantly needed that reminder of who God said they were and how they were supposed to live\u2014and we need it too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We just touched a couple of them, and we do have the whole list available on our website if listeners would like to see all ten of the rules\u2014they\u2019re up at FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThese may not be the same ten that you\u2019d have in your family, but it\u2019s a good exercise for any family to go through and say, \u201cWhat are the rules? What are the values? What\u2019s going to matter most around here?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, and there\u2019s one last thing I\u2019d like to ask you to do before we\u2019re done here. I want Bob to tell folks how they can get a copy of your book, but I want to give you a special privilege.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>With a couple I really love, and I know for sure you do too. I\u2019m going to challenge you to give a tribute to your mom and dad. Can you do that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>I can.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You think for a minute about what you want to share, and I\u2019ll let listeners know how they can get a copy of your book, <em>Grace Based Discipline<\/em>. We have it in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can go online at FamilyLifeToday.com and order the book from us. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com. The title of the book is <em>Grace Based Discipline<\/em> by Karis Kimmel Murray. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can also call to order at 1-800-358-6329. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word \u201cTODAY.\u201d And again, if you want to see all ten of the Murray family rules, they\u2019re posted online at FamilyLifeToday.com as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow quickly, before we turn it back to Karis for her tribute, we want to say a quick word of thanks to those of you who help extend the reach of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> and all that we do here at FamilyLife. Our goal through this ministry is to effectively develop godly marriages and families. We want to see every home become a godly home. Every time you make a donation to this ministry you\u2019re helping us take the practical, biblical help and hope you hear on this program or that you find online or that you find in our resources or at our events\u2014you\u2019re helping us take this message to more people in our country and around the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re a Legacy Partner\u2014somebody who contributes monthly\u2014\u201cThank you\u201d\u2014so much\u2014for providing the financial stability that this ministry needs to be able to continue to operate. We\u2019re grateful for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd if you\u2019re a longtime listener and you\u2019ve never made a donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, we\u2019d love for today to be the day you join the team. Donate online at FamilyLifeToday.com or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. Or, if you\u2019d like to mail your donation, you can do that as well. Our address is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at P.O. Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. Our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, Karis Kimmel Murray has been a great hero this week on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for calling all of us as parents back to grace and to stay the course\u2014to discipline and train our children to follow Christ. I told you I wanted to give you an opportunity. I wanted to seat your mom and your dad right here and\u2014I know them pretty well, and both Bob and I love them as well, but not as much as you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to give you the chance to be able to give them a tribute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Mom and Dad, I would say\u2014to your credit\u2014you made sure that all four of your kids knew that we had your favor\u2014no matter what. We were your children and there was nothing that we could do to be more accepted in our family, because we were already 100 percent loved and accepted\u2014and there\u2019s nothing that we could do for you to love us and accept us less. I appreciated the fact that you did draw boundaries and had standards and worked to build character into our hearts in the midst of that, because you wanted us to grow up to be people who could affect a world that you would likely not get to see.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMom, I\u2019m grateful that you let Shiloh and I be who we are\u2014that you saw that we\u2019re different from you but that you celebrated our differences and the way that we are designed. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDad, I am so grateful that you affirmed all of us kids\u2014that you never let a time go by when you didn\u2019t pull us onto your lap, give us a hug, give us a word. Dad, you would be on an important phone call and we would walk into your office, and I can\u2019t remember a time that you didn\u2019t say, \u201cHang on just a second,\u201d and you would stop and you would give us a hug, find out how we were. You always would pause for us\u2014and that made us recognize how valuable we are to you. So, I\u2019m grateful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong><em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t______________________________________________________________________________\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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