{"id":304620,"date":"2017-08-01T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2017-08-01T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/embracing-the-good-enough-parent\/"},"modified":"2017-08-01T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2017-08-01T15:00:00","slug":"embracing-the-good-enough-parent","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/embracing-the-good-enough-parent\/","title":{"rendered":"Embracing the Good Enough Parent"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>guest: Karis Kimmel Murray | Series: Grace Based Discipline | Life often doesn&#8217;t go as planned, and that held true for author Karis Kimmel Murray. Murray shares how her five-year plan was upended seven months into marriage when she discovered she was pregnant. Ten months after welcoming her first child, baby sister was on the way. 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Murray tells how she and her husband adjusted to life's surprises.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2017-08-01.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The Bible says that foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child and Karis Kimmel Murray says it is the wise parent who doesn\u2019t allow foolishness to linger there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>If we allow them that now, we are not acting in a loving way toward our kids because we are about to send them into a world that does not suffer fools. We have to love our kids exactly as they are\u2014but we also have to love them enough to not let them stay that way\u2014to do our darndest to shape them into the people that we want to send into the world.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, August 1<sup>st<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. So, exactly how do we extract foolishness from a child\u2019s heart\u2014and how do we implant wisdom there instead? We\u2019ll talk more about that today. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. It\u2019s always nice when your guest on the program when their name and their topic are the same. Did you stop and think about that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Our guest today\u2014her name means grace. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Karis\u2014Karis Kimmel Murray joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Welcome, Grace. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Welcome. [Laughter]\u00a0 Thank you. Thanks for having me on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>She\u2019s written a book called <em>Grace Based Discipline: How to Be at Your Best When Your Kids Are at Their Worst<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to talk about you and your husband Mike. You got married back in to 2001, and you started out with a five year game plan for your marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Tell us how that went. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes, five year life plan went off the rails about seven months in\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>How\u2019d it go off the rails? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>\u2014to our marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was in school and I was studying to be a journalist. He was in business school\u2014he was going to start a business. We were going to have some time to be married and get our careers going and then, maybe I would have a couple of kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSeven months into our marriage, I was like\u2014\u201cI\u2019m pregnant.\u201d It was like\u2014\u201cOh, this is new. We\u2019re going to be parents.\u201d I had my first daughter Riley\u2014and ten months later, I was like\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cUh-oh.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cUh-oh.\u201d [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Was there a sense of grief or loss when you saw those two lines the first time? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>I just think shock. Then\u2014as I processed of course\u2014we came around to the idea pretty quickly\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>\u2014like\u2014\u201cHey, we\u2019re going to be parents. This is an exciting thing.\u201d Once I had my daughter, I found that parenthood is wonderful\u2014but it can also be isolating. For me, because I was so young it felt\u2014sometimes\u2014like I got yanked out of my life into a totally different world that didn\u2019t feel like I chose that world. It kind of chose me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEverybody who I\u2019d known who I\u2019d done life with was living a different life, and I was in this kind of parallel universe.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy husband had to work really long hours at the time\u2014and I just had a baptism by fire into adulthood. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When your five year plan goes off the rails at seven months, how did you guys calibrate that\u2014and how did you make the adjustments so that you could thrive in circumstances you were in rather than being defeated by them? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Both my husband and I came from great homes. So, for us, we saw the role of parent as being hugely significant. We recognized that we were about to do the most important work of our life\u2014by having kids and raising them and being parents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know that that is not many people\u2019s story\u2014that when they think of childhood and their own childhood\u2014there\u2019s just so much pain and so many scars that go along with that. So, they just go into their own parenthood with so much baggage and leftover stuff that they have to work through.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe were so fortunate and blessed to not have that baggage, which I think helped us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou never feel prepared\u2014I don\u2019t think\u2014for parenthood, but we were\u2014we really weren\u2019t prepared\u2014financially or educationally or with our careers. I mean we were married\u2014and that was it. We did that part right, but everything else just felt like it happened to us. I didn\u2019t always deal well with it. I dealt with some depression, and I dealt with some\u2014like I said\u2014feelings of isolation and a little bit of loss of identity that I had to work through to say, \u201cWho am I now? What am I about? What is my life about?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy mom is a wonderful lady, but we are so different\u2014she and I are. She\u2019s never put pressure on me to be like her\u2014to be her\u2014to do everything the same way as she does, but when you see your own mom you think\u2014and she\u2019s a great mom\u2014you want to be just like your own, great mom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I figured out, pretty quickly, that wasn\u2019t who I was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had to make sense of\u2014\u201cWhat does it look like for <em>me<\/em> to be a grace-based mom? What does it look like for <em>me<\/em> to be a grace-filled wife\u2014where our marriage relationship looks different than my parents\u2019 marriage relationship\u2014because we\u2019re two different people? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What would you say as you examined that question\u2014what were the key ideas that you\u2019ve learned over time to say, \u201cFor me\u2014to be a grace-based mom and a grace-based wife\u2014this is what it\u2019s going to need to mean? These are things I am going to have to be intentional about. Things I\u2019m going to have to work on. Things I\u2019m going to have to\u2014maybe they don\u2019t come natural, and I\u2019ve just got to cultivate a rhythm here.\u201d What are some of those things that have reshaped how you are a wife and a mom? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Well, a big thing for me\u2014and this happened, fortunately, for me pretty quickly\u2014because it had to\u2014but I had to let go of a sense of perfectionism. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLearned really quickly that I\u2019m not going to be a perfect parent. First of all, I didn\u2019t have perfect parents. They were amazing, grace-based parents, but they were not perfect parents by any measure\u2014and neither were my husband\u2019s parents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I didn\u2019t have to be a perfect parent. I just had to be a good enough, grace-based parent\u2014and what made me good enough was not my personality or my skills or what I do\u2014it\u2019s who I am in Christ. I mean that\u2019s why any of us are good enough. Obviously, there is a sanctification process that we all go through and my early marriage and early baptism into motherhood has been the biggest sanctifying work in my life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Was that hard giving up that perfectionist tendency? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>I just had to trade out that vision. It was <em>a<\/em> vision of a way that a grace-based, Christian woman could exist in the world. It was a wonderful one\u2014the vision of my mom and who she is. I had to let go of that and say,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cBut God made me different than that, and it\u2019s okay that I\u2019m different than that. But I had to see those things in myself\u2014and call them good the way that God calls them good. Then, see my weakness and recognize what those are\u2014and just try to mitigate those as much as possible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019ve never thought of Wal-Mart of being a place where you can find God, but God did show up early with you as a mom when you took a two-year old and a six month old to Wal-Mart thinking you kind of deserved some time away from the house and from the shackles of motherhood\u2014to kind of get out and about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>That was my first trip out of the house with both of my kids for about five weeks because we had been sick and somebody had been down with some kind of a virus, but we were just out of everything. It was a trip of necessity to go to Wal-Mart with two kids\u2014and any parent listening who has attempted this knows what I was walking into. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is a gauntlet, and kids kind of have a tolerance fuse for shopping trips. Sometimes, that fuse is lit before you even back down your driveway to leave. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, we reached the end of the fuse. My two year old daughter had reached the end of her fuse about ten minutes into the trip. I was racing around Wal-Mart with both of them in the cart just trying to get everything so that we could get out of there before they exploded\u2014two little bombs exploded. It would have\u2014maybe, been fine\u2014it would have made it if my flip flop hadn\u2019t broken. So, we\u2019re running around, and I hear it snap. I look down, and I realized that my flip flop had snapped. It was not functional. I couldn\u2019t fix it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, you\u2019re at Wal-Mart. You can get new flip flops at least. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019ve got that going for you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>And I might have just walked out except that it was July in Phoenix, and you can\u2019t\u2014well, I don\u2019t know if anybody\u2019s familiar with our heat there\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>\u2014like the asphalt is like\u2014it\u2019s like 300 degrees. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It will burn your feet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>It will just melt your face off. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>It\u2019s crazy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI couldn\u2019t walk to\u2014you know\u2014even a few feet to my car without something on my foot. So, we went to the shoe department and I just said, \u201cI\u2019m going to buy the first pair of flip flops that I see. I don\u2019t care if they\u2019re the ugliest things on the planet. I\u2019m going to get them and we\u2019re going to get out of here.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy two year old had been begging to get out of the cart\u2014begging, begging\u2014because my kids see that kind of confinement like total oppression. They just\u2014they start writing letters to their congressmen if you have confined them in some way\u2014and they launch a campaign. They just think we\u2019re the worst for strapping them into something\u2014so she wanted to get out. I had a moment of weakness\u2014and I let her out. I knew by the look on her face that I had made a mistake by letting her out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe comes up to a row of shoes\u2014shoes boxes lining walls all the way up\u2014and she puts her little arms out to either side of this row of shoe boxes and holds them out. She walks kind of resolutely to the other end of the aisle, and she knocks every box of shoes off in\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014retaliation for her confinement and in protest and in rebellion of the fact that we\u2019re not home yet. The Wal-Mart shoe department looked like a bomb had gone off\u2014and metaphorically, it had. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYes, I just\u2014it was in that moment that I just looked at her and wanted to die out of embarrassment\u2014wanted to give her a spanking\u2014but I also said, \u201cThis is a child that has needs right now, and she\u2019s two. She doesn\u2019t know why she\u2019s erupting, but she\u2019s hungry and she\u2019s tired. She\u2019s done.\u201d So, we cleaned it up\u2014I had her help me clean it up even though she\u2019s having a fit\u2014through tears and everything. We got out of there\u2014but yes, that\u2019s just an example of the craziness of life with kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s where I think, as you in a sober moment of reflection pulled back and remembered, \u201cThis is a two year old.\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat she did was probably not intentional disobedience. It was childishness. It\u2019s what two year olds do. They knock things over. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And part of it is\u2014nobody\u2019s taught them not to knock things over yet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>As parents, you have to come along and you have to instruct\u2014\u201cThese are not here for us to play with or knock over\u201d\u2014that\u2019s the instruction\u2014\u201cWhat you did was wrong. We\u2019re going to have to put this back, and you shouldn\u2019t do that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s the instructional part of discipline\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014that you have to go through long before you get to\u2014\u201cI\u2019m going to give you consequences for what you just did.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You actually talk about this in your book. You had four freedoms that parents need to give their kids. I like this because\u2014I think\u2014many times parents always break it down into right or wrong. Explain those four freedoms. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis:<\/strong> The four freedoms are a core part of our message at Family Matters. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy dad wrote about them in his book, <em>Grace Based Parenting<\/em>; but the four freedoms is a way that we build a secure love, a significant purpose, and a strong hope into our kids. We do that by giving them these key freedoms. Those are the freedom to be different, the freedom to be candid, the freedom to be vulnerable, and the freedom to make mistakes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>To be childish. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes, to be childish, to be different\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>\u2014to be vulnerable. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say, actually, what was going on there with Riley\u2014I mean, this is just in retrospect thinking about it\u2014she was actually showing vulnerability in that moment. It was her just crying out for\u2014\u201cI need something.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes, kids\u2014they do what they do sometimes because they are trying to meet a legitimate need in an illegitimate way. You can\u2019t always pin their behavior to this because, sometimes, we just don\u2019t know why they do what they do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut sometimes, they have a need that\u2019s not getting met, and they subconsciously behave in a way to try to get that need met\u2014and those ways can be illegitimate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Okay; I hear you describing that, and I\u2019m thinking of the bratty kid in the Wal-Mart\u2014not your daughter\u2014but the kid that\u2019s throwing a little tantrum. Now, if I\u2019m a parent and I go\u2014\u201cI need to stop and think, \u2018Is this a vulnerability need that\u2019s being expressed by my child?\u2019\u00a0 No, I need to get my bratty kid to\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cwho is manifesting selfish, sinful behavior\u2014I need to instruct and train and correct and those kinds of things.\u201d How do we, as parents, know when is the time to recognize, \u201cThere\u2019s really something going on in the heart of my child here that I need to be aware of;\u201d and sometimes, it\u2019s just\u2014\u201cThis is just a child being a brat and they need to be retrained here?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right; yes. I mean we have seconds\u2014split seconds\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>To make those decisions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>\u2014to make those decisions as parents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>I would say the big key is that\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014what our goal always is, is to <em>respond<\/em> to our kids rather than to <em>react<\/em> to our kids\u2014because what a reaction is\u2014is kind of an unthinking, programmed\u2014meeting what they\u2019re doing with some kind of anger or lashing out or retaliation or protection of ourselves. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A reaction is usually not thoughtful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s not others-centered. It\u2019s just us flinching. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s us reacting to whatever we don\u2019t like about the moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>It\u2019s not intentional\u2014whereas response is intentional. We are thinking about what the needs of the moment are\u2014we\u2019re taking context into consideration\u2014and then, we\u2019re formulating what we\u2019re going to do based on what we see. We\u2019re being intentional about it and focusing on our child\u2014not necessarily on how they\u2019ve made us angry or made us scared or pushed a button, and we\u2019re just going to lash out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s really hard to do in the moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It really is. I\u2019m just smiling sitting over here thinking, \u201cI\u2019m glad that\u2019s over.\u201d [Laughter]\u00a0 I really am glad it\u2019s over. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve got a question for you about these four freedoms\u2014freedom to be different, to be candid, to be vulnerable, to make mistakes. You don\u2019t have in here\u2014freedom to be a brat, freedom to be rebellious\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Disrespectful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014to be disobedient. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Because there are rules, and those things are not in our kids\u2019 best interest. If we allow them that now, we are not acting in a loving way toward our kids because we are about to send them into a world that does not suffer fools. So, we have to love our kids exactly as they are\u2014but we also have to love them enough to not let them stay that way\u2014to shape them into the people that we want to send into the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Earlier this morning, I was having a conversation with a dad. I said, \u201cThe Proverbs speak about four different kinds of people.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u201c<\/strong>There is the wise person. There is the fool. There is the na\u00efve, and there is the evil person. Now, at some point, our children are going to manifest one of those four qualities.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, probably all four at some point or other; right?\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No doubt about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Within about a two minute\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>\u2014time span. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And you have to understand what\u2019s taking place there. If it\u2019s na\u00efve, it means they need training. They need to understand how the world works. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>If, however, it\u2019s being evil\u2014as in mean, hateful, harmful to a brother or a sister in terms of hitting, biting\u2014we had certain rules at our house you didn\u2019t get away with. So, those have to be dealt with\u2014with discipline that does train them at the same time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Those are the kinds of things that when you\u2019re responding rather than reacting, you are taking those things into consideration\u2014very quickly\u2014but you\u2019re taking them into consideration. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it helps to have some kind of a mechanism to be able to sort of disconnect emotionally\u2014a little bit. Emotions are a good thing. There are a thing\u2014but if we\u2019re letting our emotions drive what we do all the time\u2014they\u2019re very often going to drive us toward what\u2019s best for us. So, we might act in self-protection or retaliation\u2014or the\u00a0 way that I did with my daughter when she walked in, in a shirt that was too short and embarrassed me\u2014I was acting in my best interests in that moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDiscipline always acts in the best interest of the person being disciplined. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>It\u2019s about them and their eventual good and their eventual joy. So, it helps to have a tool to help you in that moment when your emotions are going off\u2014they\u2019re happening\u2014but you have to choose to sort of disconnect from your victimhood and act in the best interest of your kids because you are the first responder to their crises that their behaviors create. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And you are the adult. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>But you\u2019re also often the victim of their behavior. You\u2019re in that burning building with them\u2014but you have to be the firefighter that responds to save them at the same time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn my book, I talk about it right in the introduction\u2014because I wanted parents to have this tool right away\u2014but I talk about the concept of the basket. Really, it\u2019s just a mental exercise\u2014a visualization that I teach parents that they can learn\u2014and you really can learn this stuff. You can lay down these new pathways in your brain that will help you in the moment\u2014but all the basket is, is you imagine\u2014in the moment of misbehavior or retrospectively after the fact\u2014you imagine your child standing there and you imagine the behaviors that they\u2019re doing or the words they are saying or the actions that they\u2019re taking as external things that are hanging on your child. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe\u2014like, I imagine weights\u2014almost like when you go fishing\u2014that you put on your lure that pulls it down. I imagine these giant weights on them. So the sassy words that she said\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014they are there, and the violent outburst is here. You imagine seeing your child and then removing those things, putting them in your basket\u2014or whatever container you want to think about\u2014and mentally walking that basket into another room and putting it up on a shelf and then coming back and looking at your child. It gives us an opportunity in the moment to really see them and their heart rather than seeing them through the lens of their behavior. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis does two things. First of all, it deescalates us. We have to deescalate ourselves in order to respond and sort of disconnect from our victimization. Then, give our kid what they need\u2014which might be consequences. It\u2019s also biblical because this is the way that the Lord deals with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt says in Psalm 103 that\u2014\u201cThe Lord does not deal with us based on our sins, nor repay us according to our iniquities.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cFor as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is His steadfast love toward those who fear Him.\u201d Then, it says, \u201cAs far as the east is from the west, so far does He remove our transgressions from us.\u201d This is a process that we see modeled by the Lord. He says, \u201cI\u2019m choosing to give you grace and not look at you through the lens of your transgressions\u2014I\u2019m choosing to look at you through the lens of Christ\u2019s righteousness and to see who you really are.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI teach this process to parents in the first part of my book, and I also teach them\u2014\u201cDo this at night when you are laying there and thinking about the day and all the struggles that you had because it gives us the ability to then sort of reframe our whole connection with our kids.\u201d We can connect with their heart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe can still deal with the things in that basket\u2014which I basically spend the entire rest of the book saying, \u201cNow, go get the basket down. Let\u2019s process this stuff and figure out what we\u2019re going to do.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut that\u2019s really the first step because, otherwise, their behavior and how it makes us feel starts to define our relationship with them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What you\u2019re pointing out is that every parent needs a plan\u2014and both parents need the same plan. They need to execute together and use their strengths and weaknesses\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014to complement one another because this thing of raising the next generation\u2014first of all, it\u2019s important\u2014but it is demanding. It will wear you out if you don\u2019t have a relationship with Jesus Christ where you\u2019re praying and asking Him for wisdom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you\u2019re going to put together an effective plan for how to do this, it helps if you\u2019ve got some guidance\u2014some coaching. Having a book like <em>Grace Based Discipline<\/em> will help you put the plan together so that you can raise your kids to be the right kind of adults. That\u2019s what the goal is here; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got copies of the book, <em>Grace Based Discipline<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can order online at FamilyLifeToday.com. The book is called <em>Grace Based Discipline<\/em> by our guest Karis Kimmel Murray. You can also order by phone, if you\u2019d like. Our toll-free number is 1-800-FL-TODAY. That\u2019s 1-800-358-6329\u20141-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then word, \u201cTODAY\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think all of us as parents, when we look at the job in front of us and we look at ourselves, we go\u2014\u201cThere are some gaps here. I am inadequate to accomplish the task.\u201d That\u2019s why we\u2019re grateful for God\u2019s grace and for His enabling, for the work of His Spirit in our lives\u2014and it\u2019s one of the reasons that we want to try to provide you with the kind of practical, biblical help and hope you hear regularly on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHopefully, we can fill in some of those gaps that all of us have with the conversations\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014we have here every day or with the articles we have online or through our resources or the events that we host. Our goal through all of this is to effectively develop godly marriages and families. Our mission is to see every home become a godly home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is no way we could accomplish that mission if it weren\u2019t for listeners like some of you who have teamed up with us as monthly Legacy Partners or as occasional contributors to this ministry. Every time you make a donation, those funds are used to extend the reach of this ministry to reach more couples\u2014more moms and dads\u2014all around the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe just want to say thank you to those of you who support this ministry. If you\u2019re a regular listener\u2014you\u2019ve listened for a long time and never made a donation, or maybe you\u2019ve thought about become a Legacy Partner, and you\u2019ve just never done it\u2014why don\u2019t you make today the day that you step forward and become a part of the team that makes <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can donate online at FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at P.O. Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. Our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we want to talk about some of the challenges that, Karis, you and your husband and your kids have gone through as a family and some of the fears you\u2019ve had to face as a mom. Karis Kimmel Murray will be back with us again tomorrow. Hope you can be back with us as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today\u2014his name is Keith Lynch\u2014also, want to thank our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. A Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> ministry. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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