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Murray illustrates what it's like to let grace define your relationships even when the other person disappoints you.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2017-07-31.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>As parents, we have a responsibility to discipline our children\u2014but we need to be careful that we\u2019re not punishing them. Here\u2019s Karis Kimmel Murray. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Punishment and discipline are actually opposites. They have some things in common. So, we think they are the same thing, but punishment is done to appease justice on behalf of whoever was victimized\u2014but discipline is actually done on behalf of the offender. It\u2019s motivated by love for the person who did the thing\u2014not by a desire to seek justice for the person who was offended. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, July 31<sup>st<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019re going to spend some time today looking at what grace-based discipline looks like as you raise your children. Stay with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I had kind of an \u201cAha\u201d moment not long ago. Some of our listeners know that we\u2019re right in the middle of a project we\u2019re working on here to create a video series around parenting. As a part of that project, I\u2019ve been sitting down with a number of authors, pastors, speakers\u2014doing interviews about parenting. One of the people I sat down with was Kevin DeYoung. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKevin\u2019s been a guest here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> and was on our <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage cruise last year. I was asking him about parenting, and I asked him the question, \u201cHow do you decide\u2014as a parent\u2014when your kids are going to get grace and when they\u2019re going to get discipline?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere was his answer\u2014this was my \u201cAha\u201d moment. He said, \u201cOur kids always should get grace.\u201d He said, \u201cSometimes, the grace they get is discipline.\u201d [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought, \u201cYou know, that\u2019s a good answer because most of us tend to think that grace means no punishment\u2014discipline means punishment.\u201d But I thought, \u201cKevin was right. Sometimes, the grace God gives us is the grace of discipline\u2014and sometimes, that\u2019s what our kids need.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We\u2019re joined today by Karis Kimmel Murray who knows a little bit about growing up in a home that is reportedly grace-based parenting. Welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Karis: <\/strong>Thank you for having me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Is that true? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Was there a lot of grace in the Kimmel household growing up? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Absolutely. It was not just this idea that my parents wrote about and spoke about\u2014it is what they lived. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Karis has been married to Mike since 2001. They have two teenage daughters, and she does work for her mom and dad at Family Matters. She is Creative Director there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>In case folks don\u2019t recognize the last name Kimmel, your mom and dad, Tim and Darcy Kimmel are authors and speakers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor years, they have spoken at our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em> marriage getaways, and they\u2019ve written extensively on the subject of marriage and parenting and family issues\u2014including a book called <em>Grace Based Parenting<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019ve now written <em>Grace Based Discipline<\/em>. I\u2019m just curious\u2014did you think grace and discipline were the opposites of each other when you started writing this, or did you have a good understanding that discipline is a part of grace? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Well, I love your conversation with Kevin DeYoung because I\u2019ve had similar conversations with people. Our ministry talks to people all the time who will say something to the effect of\u2014\u201cWell, you know, Cameron\u2014he hit is sister, but I decided to give him grace.\u201d And my dad is usually quick to correct and say, \u201cWell, that\u2019s not the same thing.\u201d Permissiveness is not the same thing as grace. Mercy isn\u2019t the same thing as grace, and mercy is a positive thing\u2014but mercy and grace are different. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I think I knew because I had just simply lived it out within our family growing up\u2014that discipline is a form of grace. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, let\u2019s define grace for a second\u2014because it\u2019s something that is thrown around, maybe, at times, like a slang word within the Christian community. We say grace, we talk about being saved by grace\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. We talk about falling from grace, which I don\u2019t even really understand that statement. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, really. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Doesn\u2019t even\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It doesn\u2019t compute; does it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>That\u2019s not possible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, define it for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>We like to say that grace is giving somebody something that they desperately need but don\u2019t necessarily deserve\u2014and the thing that they need could be different from moment to moment. That\u2019s what God does with us. He knows what we need\u2014not necessarily what we want or what we like or what feels good\u2014but He knows what we <em>need<\/em>, and He knows that we certainly don\u2019t deserve His goodness and His favor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe don\u2019t deserve it, but He has chosen\u2014in His love for us\u2014to give it to us anyway. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You and your husband Mike are parents to two teenage daughters. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s a recipe for grace-based discipline. Give us an illustration\u2014recently, okay? You don\u2019t have to name the names; okay? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>I\u2019ll give you an example of disciplining incorrectly and then, having to go back and do some damage control. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I was at our ministry at Family Matters, meeting with my production team and my publishing team\u2014people there who I was trying to impress\u2014my girls were on a break from school for that week, so I needed to go into the office that day. We have a shopping mall that\u2019s just right next door to our offices, so I could leave them there and say, \u201cOkay, at this time, I want you to walk on over and check in with me\u2014just let me know how you\u2019re doing.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I\u2019m meeting with my publishing team, they walk in to check in\u2014and they are both very tall.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey grow out of clothes quickly\u2014and one of my daughters\u2014she was wearing a shirt that was not as long as her torso. Really, it was a last minute decision to bring them to the mall. They kind of got in the car fast. I didn\u2019t even think about it until the moment she walked in\u2014and here I am the\u2014you know\u2014trying to win at parenting and be this parenting book author. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, here is what I did in that moment. I saw people notice. I got embarrassed and I said, \u201cWow\u2014that was a nice shirt choice\u2014awesome. Why don\u2019t you walk down the hall and go show your papa your shirt and see what he thinks?\u201d I kind of berated her in front of everyone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, here\u2019s\u2014I think here\u2019s how grace comes into play. Sometimes, grace is retroactive. I needed to get grace in that moment from the Lord because I was not acting in love and grace to her. I was acting in self-protection for myself and my reputation. So, before she had even kind of turned around to leave the room, I said, \u201cYou know what? Everybody, I want to stop for a second.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cCan I have everybody\u2019s attention?\u201d I said, \u201cI\u2019m so sorry that I just said that. This is not about me\u2014this life is not about me\u2014it\u2019s about the Lord. You are beautiful, and you are the image of God. I am so sorry that I said it the way that I said it and that I just did it in front of everyone. Will you forgive me?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, in front of everybody that I had been trying to impress, I had to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Humble yourself. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>\u2014quickly humble myself and ask for forgiveness. But I would say that that is an example of what it can look like when you let grace define your relationships because God knows how to give us grace by His nature. But we\u2014it is not our default mode\u2014and it is not our natural bent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPart of grace is a culture of forgiveness\u2014so, after the fact\u2014quickly\u2014me asking for forgiveness\u2014her quickly granting forgiveness\u2014and everybody being witness to that. She said, \u201cHey, Mom, it\u2019s not a big deal.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd maybe, in the moment\u2026it wasn\u2019t a big deal in the moment, but I think those are the kinds of things that\u2014the kind of pivotal points that when we handle them\u2014mishandle them\u2014it can have a lasting effect. It could have become a big deal for her later. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There are two points I want to make out of your illustrations. First of all, as a parent, you need to be a recipient of grace, practicing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014confession with God and receiving His grace for your own sins, your own mistakes and errors. And sometimes, that means publicly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>The second thing is\u2014at that moment, the best thing would have been to have said nothing and then to have wrapped your arm around your daughter, maybe, later privately and said, \u201cWhen we get home,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cI would like to have a little conversation.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u201cLet\u2019s have a moment of wisdom here\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cabout what\u2019s appropriate.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Karis: <\/strong>And truly, it was on me because I\u2014we just left the house. It was not really a conscious choice on either of our parts\u2014but yes, it would have been better to say, \u201cHey, let\u2019s talk when we get home.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I know we want to talk about grace and discipline, but there are some listeners right now who are going\u2014\u201cI can\u2019t even believe you freaked out over a midriff. I mean come on, Mom? I mean a bare midriff on\u201d\u2014how old is she\u201413? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>She\u2019s 14. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201c14, bare midriff\u2014come on that can look cute for a girl? In fact if you\u2019re so into grace, why don\u2019t you just chill a little bit?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Because they think\u2014again\u2014that grace means\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Grace means license\u2014it means no rules\u2014it means no standards. That can\u2019t be what it means because that\u2019s not how God treats us\u2014our Lord is the source of grace. Grace is only a thing because God gives it to us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>As you defined grace\u2014grace being giving someone something they desperately need, that they don\u2019t\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>But they don\u2019t\u2014right\u2014they don\u2019t necessarily deserve\u2014yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>As parents, that\u2019s job one with our kids; isn\u2019t it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes, job one. Some of those things that they need but they don\u2019t necessarily deserve are rules and standards, boundaries\u2014understanding the appropriate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Lord does that for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Bible is full of standards and His ideal for us knowing that we will not keep it\u2014we will not be perfect\u2014but He doesn\u2019t remove those from us. Then, when we cross those boundaries, and we fall short of those standards, there are consequences for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And just as some people have misconceptions about what grace is, I think some people have misconceptions about what discipline is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>They think discipline is always punishment. What\u2019s the difference between discipline and punishment?\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>They seem like synonyms. That\u2019s how we use them in our language, as interchangeable. I\u2019m careful in my book not to use the word punishment because when I really started to study, I discovered that punishment and discipline are actually opposites\u2014they are actually antonyms. They have some things in common. So, we think they are the same thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor example, punishment is done to appease justice on the behalf of the victim\u2014whoever was victimized.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPunishment is a thing that exists\u2014it\u2019s necessary\u2014certainly, in our criminal justice system, it\u2019s necessary\u2014but discipline is actually done on behalf of the offender. It\u2019s motivated by love for the person who did the thing\u2014not by a desire to seek justice for the person who is offended. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, given those differences, should we ever punish our kids? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>We will mess up and punish our kids, but God doesn\u2019t punish His kids. That was a big discovery in the process of writing this book. As I studied, I came to see that I really couldn\u2019t find an example of God punishing His children. Now, that\u2019s a key caveat\u2014His children\u2014those who are His, who are in Him, have been grafted in the kingdom of God as His sons and daughters\u2014it doesn\u2019t happen. He only disciplines them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, even when Achan hid stuff in the tent and they brought him out in front and they stoned everybody there, you\u2019re saying, \u201cThat\u2019s still loving discipline from a merciful God?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes, and certainly, once you see Christ\u2019s sacrifice on the cross\u2014and that ultimate atonement made\u2014it really was an axis on which we saw the kingdom of God come down on earth. The new law is grace. Once that atonement was made, that punishment was the last one. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I think there are a lot of circuits being blown in a lot of parents\u2019 minds right now because you do stop and think\u2014I mean every parent would say\u2014if you asked the question, \u201cHave you punished your kids, and did they deserved it?\u201d Parents would say, \u201cYes,\u201d and \u201cYes. As we think about this, God says, \u201cVengeance is mine. I will repay,\u201d when there have been transgressions. Our job as parents is not the punishing of our children, it\u2019s the discipling\u2014the disciplining\u2014of our kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s training. As you were talking, Karis, I couldn\u2019t help but think about Hebrews, Chapter 12, where it talks about God disciplining His children. It says, \u201cMy son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by Him. For the Lord disciplines the one He loves, and chastises every son whom He receives.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou go\u2014it goes on through the passage there, through the next half dozen verses, and it talks about\u2014all the way at the end\u2014\u201cFor the moment all discipline seems painful, rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.\u201d Back to what Bob was saying earlier, as you train your children, you are discipling them to know how to respond to life. You\u2019re training them in how God would want you to live life His way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That doesn\u2019t mean\u2014at points\u2014that they don\u2019t bear the consequences\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014of their wrong choices. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. Well, I think one of the reasons that we equate punishment and discipline\u2014and think that they\u2019re the same thing\u2014is because they have some important things in common. One thing that punishment and discipline have in common is pain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Both utilize pain as a tool. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. Let\u2019s talk about something for a moment that you mention in your book. When you were a teenager, you kind of blew past the curfew. What happened? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Well, I was actually in college at the time\u2014I think I was 19. I had spent some time living in the dorms, and I was back at home. My husband Mike and I were dating. I don\u2019t think we were engaged yet, but we were pretty serious. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I had a curfew again\u2014and I hadn\u2019t really for a while because I had been off at college. The curfew was not so much my parents trying to be all lame-sauce and rain on my life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was just that I\u2019m the oldest of four\u2014and when I was 19, my youngest brother was nine, so we kind of had a spread of people living in the house. Not everybody could keep my collegiate schedule. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had a midnight curfew. That afternoon\u2014evening, I had gone over to Mike and his brother Pat\u2019s house. They had a house together with like eight roommates, and we had decided to have a dominos tournament\u2014played dominos and Mexican train until the wee hours of the morning. Somebody went on a Jack in the Box run and brought back some tacos, and we were just going for it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI look up and realize it\u2019s three o\u2019clock in the morning. As soon as I realized, I was like\u2014get in the car, come back home, parked in the driveway, very quietly closed the door, open the front door, climbed up the stairs, went to sleep, got up the next morning at 11:30 am; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The crack of noon. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>The crack of noon\u2014and came down stairs to have some cereal. My dad was sitting at the kitchen table with a very disheveled looking newspaper. I was kind of giving him the side-eye like\u2014\u201cI wonder if he\u2019s going to ask me, and I wonder if he knows when I came home? I\u2019m just going to quietly get my cereal bowl and see if I can be invisible.\u201d He says, \u201cHey, Karis, just curious, what time did you get home last night?\u201d I\u2019m starting to sweat bullets. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And now, you\u2019re faced with\u2014\u201cDo I lie, or do I tell the truth?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. Well, so, here\u2019s the crux of this story. I don\u2019t know how long my dad thought about this before he did it or if it just came to him, but he said, \u201cWhen did you come home last night? Before you answer that question, I just want you to be privy to some information that I have.\u201d I said, \u201cOkay?\u201d [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said, \u201cYou parked on top of the paper.\u201d I was like\u2014\u201cWhat?\u201d \u201cYou parked on top of the newspaper.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cYour driver\u2019s side front tire was up on top of the paper. I had to go get your keys and move your car to bring the paper inside this morning. The front page is basically torn to shreds.\u201d I said, \u201cOkay;\u201d and I knew where he was going with it; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said, \u201cBecause I travel so much, hon, and I have to get up early in the morning to go to the airport sometimes, I happen to know that our paper comes at about 3:30 am in the morning\u2014it gets dropped off.\u201d So, he said, \u201cLet me ask you again. What time did you get home last night?\u201d I said, \u201c3:15.\u201d [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>3:31.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Sorry, I got home at 3:30, and it comes at like 3:15. Anyway, the timeline worked out. I had come home right after it had gotten thrown into our driveway; but that\u2019s an example\u2014I think\u2014of the difference between the mindset of punishment and the mindset of discipline. If I was an offender that had committed a crime and the police brought me in and they were interrogating me, they are not going to do what my dad did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey\u2019re not going to say, \u201cWe want to put all of our cards on the table so that you know everything that we know.\u201d They\u2019re going to see if they can push me into a corner and see what I\u2019m going to do\u2014see if I\u2019ll lie\u2014because as soon as I lie, they\u2019re going to know I have something to hide, and they\u2019re going to figure out what it is. It\u2019s different with discipline because he wants to give me every opportunity to exit through the door labeled truth\u2014and that\u2019s always been how my parents have been. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn that moment, I knew, \u201cI have no reason to lie. I\u2019m just going to say exactly when I came home.\u201d He asked me\u2014\u201cWell, why were you so late?\u201d I said, \u201cWell, we had a dominos tournament\u201d\u2014and it was so nerdy that he just had no reason to not believe me\u2014and it was true. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I didn\u2019t lie\u2014but I think if he had not done what he did in that moment, I might have been tempted to say that I came home at a more acceptable late hour\u2014like\u2014\u201cOh, I got home at about one.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tStill broke curfew, but it wasn\u2019t as late\u2014it wasn\u2019t embarrassingly late like it was; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Were there consequences for your actions? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis:<\/strong> That time, that\u2019s where we left it\u2014that time. You know, it made an impression on me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, discipline is a spectrum that we see with our kids. It was just like a clear\u2014\u201cKaris, you know that 3:30 in the morning is way past when you need to be coming home\u201d\u2014and I knew that the reason for that was not because they were trying to control me. I was 19. It was just\u2014I\u2019m part of a family\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>\u2014and I need to do my part to try to help the family run smoothly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Your dad, in the moment\u2014using wisdom\u2014looks at the circumstances and makes a choice\u2014\u201cI\u2019m not going to impose some kind of consequence for what you\u2019ve done as a corrective measure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m going to believe that this conversation has accomplished the corrective purpose.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>As parents, we face that moment\u2014often\u2014where we\u2019ve got to decide, \u201cDo I give consequences here? Do I let the moment be what it is?\u201d And we\u2019ve got to cry out to God and ask for His direction there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>His wisdom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You have to listen to Him and don\u2019t make every crime\u2014every boundary a big deal\u2014like they\u2019re a felon\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and they need to go to prison. Second thing I want parents to know\u2014and you too, Karis, as a mom of two teenagers on the early side of the spectrum of teenage years\u2014there\u2019s a point where God in Heaven really feels sorry for parents. Just for a moment\u2026He steps out of eternity into time and He enables parents to catch their kids red-handed. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>With the car on top of the newspaper. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>With the car on top of the newspaper. I sat there reading that story, and I broke into the biggest grin. I\u2019ll bet your dad, at that point\u2014I\u2019ll bet he was going\u2014\u201cThank You, God, for that newspaper.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Karis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u201cSo, we can make this a moment of training and not a conviction that results in life imprisonment.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, here\u2019s where it\u2019s important for all of us as parents to reframe our own thinking about what we\u2019re doing about discipling our children. That\u2019s really what\u2019s at the heart of the book, <em>Grace Based Discipline<\/em>. When we can think about discipline being the process of discipling\u2014that\u2019s different than just thinking about punishing your kids all day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>We\u2019ve got copies of Karis\u2019s book, <em>Grace Based Discipline<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center\u2014online at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can go there to find out more about the book. Again, it\u2019s called <em>Grace Based Discipline<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKaris Kimmel Murray is the author. You can order it from us online at FamilyLifeToday.com. If it\u2019s easier to call, our toll-free number is 1-800-FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1-800-358-6329. 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