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Here\u2019s Melissa Spoelstra.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> We\u2019re tired. We run so hard and our Creator God, knows us and He made us and designed us for rest. I mean if He really wanted to get the point across, He could put it in the days of creation\u2014maybe He could put it in the Ten Commandments\u2014maybe He could talk about it throughout the prophets\u2014and then, where\u2019s that passage about Jesus being in a hurry? Jesus did not take away the concept of rest. He did not come and obliterate the concept that we were created to rest.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, June 28<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. How can we do a better job of being still and knowing that God is God? We\u2019ll spend time exploring that today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know it\u2019s a shame that your wife can\u2019t be in\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I was just thinking about that Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014on this series of interviews we\u2019re doing this week because she would resonate with everything that\u2019s been said already but she\u2019d <em>really<\/em> resonate with what we\u2019re going to talk about today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019re talking to Melissa Spoelstra about a <em>Total Family Makeover: 8 Practical Steps to Making Disciples at Home<\/em>. Melissa welcome back, first of all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Thanks so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Secondly, thanks for working on this book and doing this\u2014this is going to get passed on to our kids who are raising their children and discipling them. She\u2019s got eight ways you can disciple your children\u2014spending time in prayer, reading God\u2019s Word, growing through mentoring, finding community in the church, serving others, taking time to rest. That\u2019s what we\u2019re going to talk about today in this busy culture. Number seven\u2014giving back to God and number eight\u2014sharing your faith. I like that\u2014that you\u2019re calling them to evangelism.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What you\u2019re doing is you\u2019re calling parents to first model all eight of these. This really fits the pattern of the spiritual disciplines\u2014the spiritual practices\u2014that have been a part of the church for centuries. You haven\u2019t found some new magic formula for discipling kids; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> No; I say that all the time. And these aren\u2019t necessarily the only eight things about what it means to follow Jesus\u2014but these are just a place to start and a track to run on and I think that\u2019s what we need.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You got to model it as parents and then you have to instruct\u2014or train\u2014or teach your children how this becomes a part of their lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> If Barbara was here, she would absolutely put an exclamation point around number six, about teaching your children to rest. We live in a busy culture today. She thinks parents\u2014as well as kids\u2014don\u2019t honor the Sabbath as we should.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> It\u2019s unlike it\u2019s ever been. If you look at progress in history from the beginning of time to the industrial revolution, there was very little progress. People lived close to the land, children died, crops failed. Then from the time of the industrial revolution until really about 25 years ago, there was a lot of progress\u2014the electric motor, the airplane, the radio. But it\u2019s really been in the last 25 to 30 years that progress has gone vertical. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy kids can\u2019t imagine a world without WiFi or Google or <em>constant <\/em>contact with people at any given moment\u2014so there almost is such a new challenge when it comes to rest because we\u2019re constantly being notified <em>and<\/em> we\u2019re packing our schedules to the gills leaving no margin\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> \u2014for the things we all know happen in life. Things go wrong\u2014cars break down, people get sick.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And then in the middle of all of that, there is the new phenomenon of FOMO which you\u2019ve heard about, the \u201cfear of missing out.\u201d [Laughter] What happens is somebody comes up and says, \u201cHey, have you heard?\u201d And you go \u201cNo, I haven\u2019t heard.\u201d All of a sudden you feel like, \u201cI\u2019m not as in touch as I need to be\u2014I\u2019m not as plugged in as I ought to be\u2014I missed out on some news that somebody else got before me.\u201d It just drives us to stay glued to our devices\u2014to stay perpetually in motion and never get away for solitude or for rest.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to ask you this. Are there any devices in operation on Sunday at your home?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Hmmm. Great question! [Laughter] These are the contentment feeds you\u2019ve just talked about\u2014these things that\u2014this fast pace of life. We decided many years ago to say, \u201cWhat would it look like for us to have a media free day on Sundays\u2014to say no phones, no iPods?\u201d This happened for me in one of those moments at home where I noticed it was really quiet.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI looked up over the top of my laptop and I saw two kids on devices. I saw my husband on his laptop and realized the other two kids were downstairs watching TV. It wasn\u2019t one of those sweet momma moments, where you\u2019re cuddling with your kids or you\u2019ve just finished reading a story. It was one of those \u201cWhat are we all doing? We\u2019re all in the same house and yet we\u2019re not connected.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Are you a mean mom?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> It is my kids least favorite part of this whole spiritual rhythm. I mean, we are the meanest parents in the world because we still do it. And did I mention my children\u2014my daughters were 16? The other day, they came home from church and of course they don\u2019t have their phones. They can barely survive without them because they could\u2014the fear of missing something\u2014they could be missing something\u2014someone might be trying to get ahold of them. They\u2019re <em>so<\/em> used to being constantly notified\u2014notifications, notifications, notifications. They almost don\u2019t know what to do in their own skin without that kind of a communication. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, Sarah, my daughter, says to me, \u201cWhat are we supposed to do? I\u2019m bored. I don\u2019t know what to do.\u201d [Laughter] We\u2019re laying around on the couches in the living room and I said, \u201cWell, Sarah, why don\u2019t you tell us a story.\u201d She said, \u201cOnce upon a time there were two really mean parents who took away their kids\u2019 phones for no reason at all.\u201d [Laughter] And we all laughed. You know what happened? We all fell asleep on those couches. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI woke up before everyone else and I looked at my sleeping children\u2014because they\u2019re at their best, right? [Laughter] We love to watch our kids sleep. They\u2019re so beautiful and we cherish them. I thought, \u201cThere\u2019s a reason that we\u2019re unplugging\u2014because we\u2019re tired.\u201d We run so hard. Our Creator God, knows us and He made us and designed us for rest. I mean if He really wanted to get the point across, He could put it in the days of creation\u2014maybe he could put it in the Ten Commandments\u2014maybe He could talk about it throughout the prophets if He thought it was important.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh, wait!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Oh, wait! Then where\u2019s that passage about Jesus being in a hurry? You know that one verse about\u2014Oh, wait!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s not in there, is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> There\u2019s not one either. Jesus did not take away the concept of rest. He did fulfil the Sabbath\u2014it is not a mandated law that it has to look a certain way\u2014but He certainly did not come and obliterate the concept that we were created to rest.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay, what was your maiden name?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Holman. H-o-l-m-a-n.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Alright. I want to go back to when Melissa Holman was 16 years old, growing up in your home. You were a church going family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> We were.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sunday look any different than any other day for you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Well, we went to church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. Beyond that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> No; not really.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You seem to have grown up fine and you love Jesus. I\u2019m just here to play the\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014I\u2019m not going to say whose advocate I am here. [Laughter] I\u2019m just here to say\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> But my life moved at a slower pace\u2014something has changed. There were no travel sports. There were no travel sports certainly on a Sunday\u2014certainly not on a Wednesday night\u2014where I grew up. It is not what it used to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou used to could go to school and learn to play a sport at a school\u2014but someone has sold a lie\u2014and I think it\u2019s that advocate that you were talking about\u2014 [Laughter] That if you don\u2019t put your kid in this activity from the time that they\u2019re three or four, that they\u2019re never going to be able to play it in school\u2014and they\u2019re never going to get a scholarship\u2014and they\u2019re going to be doomed for life if you don\u2019t sell your soul to travel sports and arts and activities.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When I was a kid, the culture <em>automatically<\/em> protected Sunday. There was a strange phenomena called blue laws.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Yes; I remember them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Stores were closed. Things didn\u2019t happen. What do you encourage your kids to do on Sunday? Because Barbara always pointed the kids toward reading great literature\u2014reading great books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> For some that are wired up that way\u2014reading great books is a wonderful thing. For two of my kids, that\u2019s great. For the other two, they are more extroverted. They maybe want to play a game that\u2019s interactive or just have\u2014this is going to be a shocker\u2014a conversation. Just talk to each other without ever checking your phone. It is like a learned habit for all of us\u2014even for moms and dads\u2014that we don\u2019t go five, ten minutes without checking our email. Or to see if we have a text notification\u2014or to see if there\u2019s a Facebook\u2014somebody\u2019s liked something. To take a whole day and not do that, breeds an opportunity to talk uninterrupted. It\u2019s a lost art\u2014uninterrupted talking.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Much of the social media mitigates against any kind of an in-depth relationship. We\u2019ve got a lot of kids today who aren\u2019t dating and aren\u2019t getting married because they don\u2019t know how to do relationships. They\u2019ve not been forced to do them in high school, college, and as young adults.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The only conversations they\u2019ve had all week have been text conversations that they\u2019ve had with friends.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Or for boys, over a headset while their shooting up things on a X-Box.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know you think about Sunday\u2014about the principal of the Sabbath and you\u2019ve already said Jesus is the fulfillment of the Sabbath. This gets a little tricky when you start to talk about this subject in church circles because there are different understandings of how the Sabbath is to be understood in the time of the new covenant. But I\u2019ve always heard\u2014in addition to the idea of rest\u2014there\u2019s the idea of spending time in worship on Sunday\u2014that is being a part of the church community but it\u2019s also personal study and devotion and time in God\u2019s word. Then there\u2019s the opportunity for serving others which is a break from\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014the norm and spending time on the Sabbath, you might think, \u201cServing others\u2014that\u2019s not resting if I\u2019m raking the next-door neighbor\u2019s yard.\u201d Well, you\u2019re resting from what you normally do\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and you\u2019re serving others in a way that is a profitable exercise.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> It\u2019s an opportunity to brainstorm ways to bless other people\u2014to bake cookies or to work on a project. For me personally, I am tied to my laptop. I find I look forward to Sunday just because I\u2019ve made this limitation and I know I can\u2019t go to it. So, I\u2019m not feeling any of the \u201cI should be doing\u201d because we\u2019re set free. The Sabbath, Jesus said, is not for God\u2014it\u2019s for us. It\u2019s a <em>gift<\/em> that He gave us to say, \u201cIt\u2019s okay, and it\u2019s not only okay, it\u2019s necessary.\u201d To take some time to stop doing what you normally do and to remember God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s throughout Scripture\u2014throughout all the festivals\u2014all of the Feast of Weeks and the Passover\u2014all of them talk about Sabbath and how important that is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We need it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> We do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Pastors need it to. You\u2019re married to a pastor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> I am.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When does he get his Sabbath?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Typically are Mondays, because that\u2019s his day off. So, he has a little bit of Sabbath in Sunday afternoon but we have a small group on Sunday nights that we attend. For him with the message to preach, for those of you who\u2019ve done that\u2014any kind of presentation that you deliver\u2014there\u2019s some down time that\u2019s needed after that to be able to rest. But he does take a day off on Monday and it\u2019s a day for him to be able to catch up on any Bible reading he\u2019s behind with\u2014a time for him to pray\u2014a time for him to be alone at times\u2014or for him and I to maybe have a date and invest in our marriage, now that our kids are all in school.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s what we did on Sunday night. Barbara and I had a standing date. We didn\u2019t make all four out of four Sunday nights in a month or all five Sunday nights but we would make four out of five or three out of four. And we had a date we would go on and it was a time to reconnect as a couple and have somebody else prepare the food\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and us to have a conversation. Many times interestingly, of all the things we would argue about or talk about, it was the schedule. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was not only what we\u2019d been doing and analyzing that, it was looking to the next week and to the next month, next six months and taking a hard look at \u201cHow much have we committed to?\u201d and \u201cWhat do we need to be careful about here?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well and let\u2019s just be honest, if somebody\u2019s driving activity in your home, it wasn\u2019t typically Barbara, was it? I mean you\u2019re the guy who likes to keep busy and keep after things and you\u2019re more likely to crowd the schedule than she is; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, here\u2019s the thing. Moms are looking out for their kids and their development. I think Barbara\u2014in her desire to see the kids developed\u2014it took some other disciplines around the number of activities that our kids could participate in to establish boundaries that gave our kids\u2014again, margin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou mentioned this earlier and we haven\u2019t talked about it since. But I think one of the reasons why people are so stressed out in relationships when something goes haywire\u2014a car does break down\u2014somebody does get sick\u2014there\u2019s no margin to be able to be shock absorber and be able to handle it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> It\u2019s not like parents are going out and looking for this, it\u2019s coming right at them. My email is full of the school band, the cheerleaders, everyone wants volunteer hours, wants to add more trips\u2014more things. The concert band is going to go on a trip somewhere and they not only need to go on the trip but then they need to raise money for it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen there\u2019s the recruiters who want you on their travel club team and they\u2019re telling you your kid is the next <em>star<\/em> player and you\u2019ll really be inhibiting him and crushing his creativity if you don\u2019t allow him to do this\u2014you look around and well, everybody else is doing this. We can just get swept into the culture and what they\u2019re doing and not even realize it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There was a season in your life\u2014in your marriage where your calendar\u2014your schedule had gotten so crowded\u2014so overloaded that it was putting a strain on you and on all the relationships at home; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Absolutely. We all have different seasons---I call it crisis mode---that we live in\u2014and sometimes, that\u2019s not up to us. When our daughter was in the hospital for 15 days\u2014we were overloaded and it was crisis mode. When there is something going on with extended family\u2014when there\u2019s a season maybe that your kid\u2019s in a play or a musical and it\u2019s going on\u2014but the problem is that we can\u2019t live in that crisis mode.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Then I\u2019m thinking back to the time when you were the church administrator.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s when you were trying to live in every moment being full of something and it was wearing everybody out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> You find a breaking point\u2014and that\u2019s what it was. My husband was planting a church and of course, there was no church secretary\u2014so, who gets signed up? The pastor\u2019s wife. We were transitioning our kids from private schools to public schools. So, there was a little bit of momma fear in me that thought\u2014I needed to volunteer in every single class room\u2014and be the head of the PTO\u2014and just go full force into all of these things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we add just one little thing here and one little thing there, we don\u2019t realize the impact of all those little things put together. We can say, \u201cWell, this is only on Friday nights or this is only on Monday mornings,\u201d but you add all those things up together and there is no space left. There\u2019s that\u2014margin refers to that little pink line that goes down the notebook paper\u2014the line of margin so that you can add a note or make an edit on that piece of notebook paper. In the same way, we have filled that page\u2014every white space is filled and that\u2019s why we create emergencies. So, I had to let some things go during that time\u2014I had to realize \u201cThis was for a season but I\u2019ve got to step down.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Do you have any children that are activity addicts? They\u2019ve got to have activity\u2014you don\u2019t have to name them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Thank you\u2014they\u2019ll thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Yes. I have kids who are athletes and who work and who are great students and who are very involved in their youth group and things like that. The YouTube videos that they watch over and over again\u2014it\u2019s almost like when something isn\u2019t scheduled for them, they almost don\u2019t know what to do with themselves. When they have a little bit of time to be intentional with rest\u2014to be productive\u2014they just keep going, going, going. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve had to confront kids\u2014at different times in our parenting\u2014with this area of rest to say, \u201cHey, we\u2019ve noticed a pattern in your life.\u201d Before I came here, our daughter\u2019s going, going, going and then we had some discipline issues we needed to discuss with her\u2014just some attitude things\u2014and the tears came out and she began to express just how exhausted she is. We had to lovingly walk her through some of the choices she\u2019d made in her schedule and talk about what can we let go, so that this isn\u2019t happening. Don\u2019t you think our enemy wants to use this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> This harried-ness because then we\u2019re not as intentional when we\u2019re in a hurry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Barbara read a book when we were raising our family, called <em>The Hurried Child<\/em>. I believe it was David Elkind as I remember. He had a theory\u2014actually it was proven in his book\u2014that we\u2019re robbing children of their innocence and their childhood\u2014forcing them to grow up and make adult choices before they\u2019ve got all the gear both in their character and their spiritual lives and conscience to be able to make those decisions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> I also believe their missing some important key life lessons that come with margin and not having everything so scheduled. Now it\u2019s like you\u2019re on this team and you have to try out for it and there is all this pressure and this going on whereas before we played ball in the backyard. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThink about some lessons we got there. We had to pick teams. We had to make allowances for younger players\u2014those are some important things that you learn in the backyard as you\u2019re making these decisions. But now everything is more professional\u2014more organized\u2014but they\u2019re not doing the organization. They\u2019re being just put in the back of the car and\u2014\u201cget your uniform on\u201d and \u201clet\u2019s go\u201d and dinner on the go. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIsn\u2019t that something that we\u2019ve lost in this harried pace\u2014is a family dinner\u2014to sit down and just talk with each other\u2014to say what\u2019s been going right in our day and what\u2019s not been going right in our day. It is challenging. We have had to say no to so many good opportunities.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Alright; I\u2019m for naps on Sunday. I\u2019ll vote; okay. All in favor? Aye.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Aye.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Aye.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay; we\u2019re good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m also for resurrecting a word that you just mentioned\u2014\u201cno\u201d.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We used to laugh about this but Barbara and I would walk out into the yard and I said, \u201cYou know just once a week we need to go out in the yard and say, \u2018No\u2019 to a tree.\u201d [Laughter] Say, \u201cNo, we\u2019re not going to do it. No, we\u2019re not going to do it.\u201d Just so we\u2019re practicing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Just practice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We hear the words because I think it\u2019s easy as you just said. You compare with what everybody else is doing and everybody else is harried and hurried.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> The culture isn\u2019t running toward rest\u2014but Jesus calls us to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s the big picture here\u2014we\u2019re back to the big picture, which is what we\u2019re trying to do with our kids\u2014is raise them to be healthy followers of Christ. People who know what it means to be followers of the Savior. So, this is not simply a pragmatic tip to help your kids get more rest and get them off their devices\u2014we\u2019re talking about something that\u2019s designed to help their <em>spiritual<\/em> sensitivity grow. And in the process of being still\u2014what is it the Bible says? \u201cBe still and\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis, Bob, Melissa:<\/strong> \u2014know that I\u2019m God.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We can draw closer to Christ in the midst of this rest that we\u2019re hearing talked about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Melissa, I sure appreciate you writing this book. I think this is going to be a big help to a lot of parents who are looking for a very practical way to disciple their kids. I mean putting it simply.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Thanks for doing it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Thanks so much for having me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well and let\u2019s hope some families will get your book and start implementing some of the eight practical steps you\u2019ve outlined for making disciples at home and have a makeover. That\u2019s the title of the book, <em>Total Family Makeover<\/em> by Melissa Spoelstra. You can order the book from us online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can call to order if you\u2019d prefer\u2014our number is 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com and you can order online or call 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know the thing about implementing some of these habits we\u2019ve been talking about today is that you do have to be purposeful and intentional. The same thing\u2019s true with your marriage. If your marriage is going to be strong and healthy, you\u2019ve got to be intentional about that too. I bring that up because a lot of times we\u2019ll hear from people when we talk about the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>\u00ae getaway. They will say to us, \u201cYou know we\u2019ve always wanted to go to one of those but there has always been something going on that weekend.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought to myself today\u2014if couples would make a decision in June about going to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> in September\u2014or October or November or December and they\u2019d get that on the calendar\u2014then nothing would get in the way. They\u2019d be intentional about building into their marriage. If you\u2019ve never attended a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> getaway, why don\u2019t you put it on the calendar now and plan to attend this fall. There\u2019s more information about the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> at FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just say a \u201cThank you\u201d to those of you who partner with us to make events like the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> possible. More people are able to attend the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> because folks like you help support and provide both scholarship funding and you help defray the cost of the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> as you donate to FamilyLife Today. In addition, you make it possible for more people all around the world to hear this program, you keep our website up and going. You are really partnering with us to effectively develop godly marriages and families and we appreciate that partnership. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019ve never donated, it\u2019s easy to do. You can go online at FamilyLifeToday.com or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Or you can mail your donation to us at FamilyLife Today at P.O. Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. Let me just say thanks in advance for whatever you\u2019re able to do in support of this ministry. We do appreciate you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you can be back with us tomorrow. 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He did not come and obliterate the concept that we were created to rest.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, June 28<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. How can we do a better job of being still and knowing that God is God? We\u2019ll spend time exploring that today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know it\u2019s a shame that your wife can\u2019t be in\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I was just thinking about that Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014on this series of interviews we\u2019re doing this week because she would resonate with everything that\u2019s been said already but she\u2019d <em>really<\/em> resonate with what we\u2019re going to talk about today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019re talking to Melissa Spoelstra about a <em>Total Family Makeover: 8 Practical Steps to Making Disciples at Home<\/em>. Melissa welcome back, first of all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Thanks so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Secondly, thanks for working on this book and doing this\u2014this is going to get passed on to our kids who are raising their children and discipling them. She\u2019s got eight ways you can disciple your children\u2014spending time in prayer, reading God\u2019s Word, growing through mentoring, finding community in the church, serving others, taking time to rest. That\u2019s what we\u2019re going to talk about today in this busy culture. Number seven\u2014giving back to God and number eight\u2014sharing your faith. I like that\u2014that you\u2019re calling them to evangelism.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What you\u2019re doing is you\u2019re calling parents to first model all eight of these. This really fits the pattern of the spiritual disciplines\u2014the spiritual practices\u2014that have been a part of the church for centuries. You haven\u2019t found some new magic formula for discipling kids; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> No; I say that all the time. And these aren\u2019t necessarily the only eight things about what it means to follow Jesus\u2014but these are just a place to start and a track to run on and I think that\u2019s what we need.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You got to model it as parents and then you have to instruct\u2014or train\u2014or teach your children how this becomes a part of their lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> If Barbara was here, she would absolutely put an exclamation point around number six, about teaching your children to rest. We live in a busy culture today. 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But it\u2019s really been in the last 25 to 30 years that progress has gone vertical. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy kids can\u2019t imagine a world without WiFi or Google or <em>constant <\/em>contact with people at any given moment\u2014so there almost is such a new challenge when it comes to rest because we\u2019re constantly being notified <em>and<\/em> we\u2019re packing our schedules to the gills leaving no margin\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> \u2014for the things we all know happen in life. 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[Laughter] These are the contentment feeds you\u2019ve just talked about\u2014these things that\u2014this fast pace of life. We decided many years ago to say, \u201cWhat would it look like for us to have a media free day on Sundays\u2014to say no phones, no iPods?\u201d This happened for me in one of those moments at home where I noticed it was really quiet.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI looked up over the top of my laptop and I saw two kids on devices. I saw my husband on his laptop and realized the other two kids were downstairs watching TV. It wasn\u2019t one of those sweet momma moments, where you\u2019re cuddling with your kids or you\u2019ve just finished reading a story. It was one of those \u201cWhat are we all doing? We\u2019re all in the same house and yet we\u2019re not connected.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Are you a mean mom?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> It is my kids least favorite part of this whole spiritual rhythm. I mean, we are the meanest parents in the world because we still do it. And did I mention my children\u2014my daughters were 16? The other day, they came home from church and of course they don\u2019t have their phones. They can barely survive without them because they could\u2014the fear of missing something\u2014they could be missing something\u2014someone might be trying to get ahold of them. They\u2019re <em>so<\/em> used to being constantly notified\u2014notifications, notifications, notifications. They almost don\u2019t know what to do in their own skin without that kind of a communication. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, Sarah, my daughter, says to me, \u201cWhat are we supposed to do? I\u2019m bored. I don\u2019t know what to do.\u201d [Laughter] We\u2019re laying around on the couches in the living room and I said, \u201cWell, Sarah, why don\u2019t you tell us a story.\u201d She said, \u201cOnce upon a time there were two really mean parents who took away their kids\u2019 phones for no reason at all.\u201d [Laughter] And we all laughed. You know what happened? We all fell asleep on those couches. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI woke up before everyone else and I looked at my sleeping children\u2014because they\u2019re at their best, right? [Laughter] We love to watch our kids sleep. They\u2019re so beautiful and we cherish them. I thought, \u201cThere\u2019s a reason that we\u2019re unplugging\u2014because we\u2019re tired.\u201d We run so hard. Our Creator God, knows us and He made us and designed us for rest. I mean if He really wanted to get the point across, He could put it in the days of creation\u2014maybe he could put it in the Ten Commandments\u2014maybe He could talk about it throughout the prophets if He thought it was important.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh, wait!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Oh, wait! Then where\u2019s that passage about Jesus being in a hurry? You know that one verse about\u2014Oh, wait!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s not in there, is it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> There\u2019s not one either. Jesus did not take away the concept of rest. He did fulfil the Sabbath\u2014it is not a mandated law that it has to look a certain way\u2014but He certainly did not come and obliterate the concept that we were created to rest.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay, what was your maiden name?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Holman. H-o-l-m-a-n.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Alright. I want to go back to when Melissa Holman was 16 years old, growing up in your home. You were a church going family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> We were.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sunday look any different than any other day for you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Well, we went to church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. Beyond that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> No; not really.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You seem to have grown up fine and you love Jesus. I\u2019m just here to play the\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014I\u2019m not going to say whose advocate I am here. [Laughter] I\u2019m just here to say\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> But my life moved at a slower pace\u2014something has changed. There were no travel sports. There were no travel sports certainly on a Sunday\u2014certainly not on a Wednesday night\u2014where I grew up. It is not what it used to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou used to could go to school and learn to play a sport at a school\u2014but someone has sold a lie\u2014and I think it\u2019s that advocate that you were talking about\u2014 [Laughter] That if you don\u2019t put your kid in this activity from the time that they\u2019re three or four, that they\u2019re never going to be able to play it in school\u2014and they\u2019re never going to get a scholarship\u2014and they\u2019re going to be doomed for life if you don\u2019t sell your soul to travel sports and arts and activities.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When I was a kid, the culture <em>automatically<\/em> protected Sunday. There was a strange phenomena called blue laws.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Yes; I remember them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Stores were closed. Things didn\u2019t happen. What do you encourage your kids to do on Sunday? Because Barbara always pointed the kids toward reading great literature\u2014reading great books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> For some that are wired up that way\u2014reading great books is a wonderful thing. For two of my kids, that\u2019s great. For the other two, they are more extroverted. They maybe want to play a game that\u2019s interactive or just have\u2014this is going to be a shocker\u2014a conversation. Just talk to each other without ever checking your phone. It is like a learned habit for all of us\u2014even for moms and dads\u2014that we don\u2019t go five, ten minutes without checking our email. Or to see if we have a text notification\u2014or to see if there\u2019s a Facebook\u2014somebody\u2019s liked something. To take a whole day and not do that, breeds an opportunity to talk uninterrupted. It\u2019s a lost art\u2014uninterrupted talking.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Much of the social media mitigates against any kind of an in-depth relationship. We\u2019ve got a lot of kids today who aren\u2019t dating and aren\u2019t getting married because they don\u2019t know how to do relationships. They\u2019ve not been forced to do them in high school, college, and as young adults.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The only conversations they\u2019ve had all week have been text conversations that they\u2019ve had with friends.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Or for boys, over a headset while their shooting up things on a X-Box.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know you think about Sunday\u2014about the principal of the Sabbath and you\u2019ve already said Jesus is the fulfillment of the Sabbath. This gets a little tricky when you start to talk about this subject in church circles because there are different understandings of how the Sabbath is to be understood in the time of the new covenant. But I\u2019ve always heard\u2014in addition to the idea of rest\u2014there\u2019s the idea of spending time in worship on Sunday\u2014that is being a part of the church community but it\u2019s also personal study and devotion and time in God\u2019s word. Then there\u2019s the opportunity for serving others which is a break from\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; that\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014the norm and spending time on the Sabbath, you might think, \u201cServing others\u2014that\u2019s not resting if I\u2019m raking the next-door neighbor\u2019s yard.\u201d Well, you\u2019re resting from what you normally do\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and you\u2019re serving others in a way that is a profitable exercise.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> It\u2019s an opportunity to brainstorm ways to bless other people\u2014to bake cookies or to work on a project. For me personally, I am tied to my laptop. I find I look forward to Sunday just because I\u2019ve made this limitation and I know I can\u2019t go to it. So, I\u2019m not feeling any of the \u201cI should be doing\u201d because we\u2019re set free. The Sabbath, Jesus said, is not for God\u2014it\u2019s for us. It\u2019s a <em>gift<\/em> that He gave us to say, \u201cIt\u2019s okay, and it\u2019s not only okay, it\u2019s necessary.\u201d To take some time to stop doing what you normally do and to remember God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s throughout Scripture\u2014throughout all the festivals\u2014all of the Feast of Weeks and the Passover\u2014all of them talk about Sabbath and how important that is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We need it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> We do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Pastors need it to. You\u2019re married to a pastor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> I am.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When does he get his Sabbath?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Typically are Mondays, because that\u2019s his day off. So, he has a little bit of Sabbath in Sunday afternoon but we have a small group on Sunday nights that we attend. For him with the message to preach, for those of you who\u2019ve done that\u2014any kind of presentation that you deliver\u2014there\u2019s some down time that\u2019s needed after that to be able to rest. But he does take a day off on Monday and it\u2019s a day for him to be able to catch up on any Bible reading he\u2019s behind with\u2014a time for him to pray\u2014a time for him to be alone at times\u2014or for him and I to maybe have a date and invest in our marriage, now that our kids are all in school.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s what we did on Sunday night. Barbara and I had a standing date. We didn\u2019t make all four out of four Sunday nights in a month or all five Sunday nights but we would make four out of five or three out of four. And we had a date we would go on and it was a time to reconnect as a couple and have somebody else prepare the food\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and us to have a conversation. Many times interestingly, of all the things we would argue about or talk about, it was the schedule. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was not only what we\u2019d been doing and analyzing that, it was looking to the next week and to the next month, next six months and taking a hard look at \u201cHow much have we committed to?\u201d and \u201cWhat do we need to be careful about here?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well and let\u2019s just be honest, if somebody\u2019s driving activity in your home, it wasn\u2019t typically Barbara, was it? I mean you\u2019re the guy who likes to keep busy and keep after things and you\u2019re more likely to crowd the schedule than she is; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, here\u2019s the thing. Moms are looking out for their kids and their development. I think Barbara\u2014in her desire to see the kids developed\u2014it took some other disciplines around the number of activities that our kids could participate in to establish boundaries that gave our kids\u2014again, margin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou mentioned this earlier and we haven\u2019t talked about it since. But I think one of the reasons why people are so stressed out in relationships when something goes haywire\u2014a car does break down\u2014somebody does get sick\u2014there\u2019s no margin to be able to be shock absorber and be able to handle it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> It\u2019s not like parents are going out and looking for this, it\u2019s coming right at them. My email is full of the school band, the cheerleaders, everyone wants volunteer hours, wants to add more trips\u2014more things. The concert band is going to go on a trip somewhere and they not only need to go on the trip but then they need to raise money for it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen there\u2019s the recruiters who want you on their travel club team and they\u2019re telling you your kid is the next <em>star<\/em> player and you\u2019ll really be inhibiting him and crushing his creativity if you don\u2019t allow him to do this\u2014you look around and well, everybody else is doing this. We can just get swept into the culture and what they\u2019re doing and not even realize it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There was a season in your life\u2014in your marriage where your calendar\u2014your schedule had gotten so crowded\u2014so overloaded that it was putting a strain on you and on all the relationships at home; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Absolutely. We all have different seasons---I call it crisis mode---that we live in\u2014and sometimes, that\u2019s not up to us. When our daughter was in the hospital for 15 days\u2014we were overloaded and it was crisis mode. When there is something going on with extended family\u2014when there\u2019s a season maybe that your kid\u2019s in a play or a musical and it\u2019s going on\u2014but the problem is that we can\u2019t live in that crisis mode.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Then I\u2019m thinking back to the time when you were the church administrator.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s when you were trying to live in every moment being full of something and it was wearing everybody out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> You find a breaking point\u2014and that\u2019s what it was. My husband was planting a church and of course, there was no church secretary\u2014so, who gets signed up? The pastor\u2019s wife. We were transitioning our kids from private schools to public schools. So, there was a little bit of momma fear in me that thought\u2014I needed to volunteer in every single class room\u2014and be the head of the PTO\u2014and just go full force into all of these things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we add just one little thing here and one little thing there, we don\u2019t realize the impact of all those little things put together. We can say, \u201cWell, this is only on Friday nights or this is only on Monday mornings,\u201d but you add all those things up together and there is no space left. There\u2019s that\u2014margin refers to that little pink line that goes down the notebook paper\u2014the line of margin so that you can add a note or make an edit on that piece of notebook paper. In the same way, we have filled that page\u2014every white space is filled and that\u2019s why we create emergencies. So, I had to let some things go during that time\u2014I had to realize \u201cThis was for a season but I\u2019ve got to step down.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Do you have any children that are activity addicts? They\u2019ve got to have activity\u2014you don\u2019t have to name them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Thank you\u2014they\u2019ll thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Yes. I have kids who are athletes and who work and who are great students and who are very involved in their youth group and things like that. The YouTube videos that they watch over and over again\u2014it\u2019s almost like when something isn\u2019t scheduled for them, they almost don\u2019t know what to do with themselves. When they have a little bit of time to be intentional with rest\u2014to be productive\u2014they just keep going, going, going. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve had to confront kids\u2014at different times in our parenting\u2014with this area of rest to say, \u201cHey, we\u2019ve noticed a pattern in your life.\u201d Before I came here, our daughter\u2019s going, going, going and then we had some discipline issues we needed to discuss with her\u2014just some attitude things\u2014and the tears came out and she began to express just how exhausted she is. We had to lovingly walk her through some of the choices she\u2019d made in her schedule and talk about what can we let go, so that this isn\u2019t happening. Don\u2019t you think our enemy wants to use this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> This harried-ness because then we\u2019re not as intentional when we\u2019re in a hurry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Barbara read a book when we were raising our family, called <em>The Hurried Child<\/em>. I believe it was David Elkind as I remember. He had a theory\u2014actually it was proven in his book\u2014that we\u2019re robbing children of their innocence and their childhood\u2014forcing them to grow up and make adult choices before they\u2019ve got all the gear both in their character and their spiritual lives and conscience to be able to make those decisions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> I also believe their missing some important key life lessons that come with margin and not having everything so scheduled. Now it\u2019s like you\u2019re on this team and you have to try out for it and there is all this pressure and this going on whereas before we played ball in the backyard. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThink about some lessons we got there. We had to pick teams. We had to make allowances for younger players\u2014those are some important things that you learn in the backyard as you\u2019re making these decisions. But now everything is more professional\u2014more organized\u2014but they\u2019re not doing the organization. They\u2019re being just put in the back of the car and\u2014\u201cget your uniform on\u201d and \u201clet\u2019s go\u201d and dinner on the go. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIsn\u2019t that something that we\u2019ve lost in this harried pace\u2014is a family dinner\u2014to sit down and just talk with each other\u2014to say what\u2019s been going right in our day and what\u2019s not been going right in our day. It is challenging. We have had to say no to so many good opportunities.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Alright; I\u2019m for naps on Sunday. I\u2019ll vote; okay. All in favor? Aye.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Aye.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Aye.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay; we\u2019re good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m also for resurrecting a word that you just mentioned\u2014\u201cno\u201d.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We used to laugh about this but Barbara and I would walk out into the yard and I said, \u201cYou know just once a week we need to go out in the yard and say, \u2018No\u2019 to a tree.\u201d [Laughter] Say, \u201cNo, we\u2019re not going to do it. No, we\u2019re not going to do it.\u201d Just so we\u2019re practicing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Just practice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We hear the words because I think it\u2019s easy as you just said. You compare with what everybody else is doing and everybody else is harried and hurried.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> The culture isn\u2019t running toward rest\u2014but Jesus calls us to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s the big picture here\u2014we\u2019re back to the big picture, which is what we\u2019re trying to do with our kids\u2014is raise them to be healthy followers of Christ. People who know what it means to be followers of the Savior. So, this is not simply a pragmatic tip to help your kids get more rest and get them off their devices\u2014we\u2019re talking about something that\u2019s designed to help their <em>spiritual<\/em> sensitivity grow. And in the process of being still\u2014what is it the Bible says? \u201cBe still and\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis, Bob, Melissa:<\/strong> \u2014know that I\u2019m God.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We can draw closer to Christ in the midst of this rest that we\u2019re hearing talked about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Melissa, I sure appreciate you writing this book. I think this is going to be a big help to a lot of parents who are looking for a very practical way to disciple their kids. I mean putting it simply.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Thanks for doing it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Thanks so much for having me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well and let\u2019s hope some families will get your book and start implementing some of the eight practical steps you\u2019ve outlined for making disciples at home and have a makeover. That\u2019s the title of the book, <em>Total Family Makeover<\/em> by Melissa Spoelstra. You can order the book from us online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can call to order if you\u2019d prefer\u2014our number is 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com and you can order online or call 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know the thing about implementing some of these habits we\u2019ve been talking about today is that you do have to be purposeful and intentional. The same thing\u2019s true with your marriage. If your marriage is going to be strong and healthy, you\u2019ve got to be intentional about that too. I bring that up because a lot of times we\u2019ll hear from people when we talk about the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>\u00ae getaway. They will say to us, \u201cYou know we\u2019ve always wanted to go to one of those but there has always been something going on that weekend.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought to myself today\u2014if couples would make a decision in June about going to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> in September\u2014or October or November or December and they\u2019d get that on the calendar\u2014then nothing would get in the way. They\u2019d be intentional about building into their marriage. If you\u2019ve never attended a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> getaway, why don\u2019t you put it on the calendar now and plan to attend this fall. There\u2019s more information about the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> at FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just say a \u201cThank you\u201d to those of you who partner with us to make events like the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> possible. More people are able to attend the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> because folks like you help support and provide both scholarship funding and you help defray the cost of the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> as you donate to FamilyLife Today. In addition, you make it possible for more people all around the world to hear this program, you keep our website up and going. You are really partnering with us to effectively develop godly marriages and families and we appreciate that partnership. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019ve never donated, it\u2019s easy to do. You can go online at FamilyLifeToday.com or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Or you can mail your donation to us at FamilyLife Today at P.O. Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. Let me just say thanks in advance for whatever you\u2019re able to do in support of this ministry. We do appreciate you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you can be back with us tomorrow. We\u2019re going to introduce you to a couple who have decided that they\u2019re going to take care of kids who may just be with them for a few days or a few weeks or a few months\u2014or years. They\u2019re never quite sure how long a child is going to stay in their home but their hearts and their doors are open. We\u2019ll meet TJ and Jenn Menn tomorrow. Hope you can be there for that.<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. 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