{"id":304566,"date":"2017-06-27T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2017-06-27T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/making-disciples-at-home\/"},"modified":"2017-06-27T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2017-06-27T15:00:00","slug":"making-disciples-at-home","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/making-disciples-at-home\/","title":{"rendered":"Making Disciples at Home"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>guest: Melissa Spoelstra | Series: Total Family Makeover | Author Melissa Spoelstra, a mother of four, shares some ways she disciples her children. Spoelstra stresses the need to be in God&#8217;s Word regularly and to instill a love for the Scriptures in children from an early age. 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Do you remember what you read? What was that time like for you? Here\u2019s some counsel from Melissa Spoelstra. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa: <\/strong>If you\u2019re just reading it to check it off\u2014if it\u2019s just like the vitamin pill that\u2014\u201cOh, I should take it, it\u2019s good for me. I got it down,\u201d it will not draw you closer to the Lord in the same way as if you\u2019re looking to know Him\u2014with a heart to <em>seek<\/em> Him. David\u2014when he\u2019s instructing his son Solomon\u2014he\u2019s like, \u201cServe and worship with a whole heart and a willing mind!\u201d And he said, \u201cIf you <em>seek<\/em> Him, you will find Him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, June 27<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. How can you get more out of your time in the Bible\u2014and how can you help your kids develop a love for reading the Bible as well? We\u2019re going to talk more about that today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I know you\u2019re kind of big on Matthew 28:19-20. You\u2019ve known those verses for a while; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When did you first learn the Great Commission\u2014do you remember?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s a good question. I think\u2014more than likely\u2014when I was a college student and I heard Bill Bright speak. He was challenging all of us young college men and women to go to the world with the greatest news that had ever been proclaimed. He would say, \u201cWhat\u2019s the greatest thing that has happened to you?\u201d Well, that would be receiving Christ\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and being forgiven. What\u2019s the greatest thing you could do for someone else? Introduce them to the Forgiver\u2014introduce them to Christ\u2014so they can know His love and forgiveness. He challenged us with that\u2014and so infected me that, I\u2019m sorry\u2014I\u2019m kind of like him now\u2014I get up every day now thinking, \u201cHow can I be a part of the greatest mission ever given to a human being?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> For those who may not be familiar with that passage, it\u2019s at the end of the book of Matthew, where Jesus says to His disciples, He says, \u201cAll authority in heaven and earth has been given to me.\u201d Then He gives them a charge, He says, \u201cGo, therefore, and make disciples of all people\u2014\u201d Well, you\u2019ve got it open\u2014do you want to read it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No, you\u2019ve nailed it. \u201cGo therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, <em>teaching them<\/em> to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The reason I bring up the Great Commission at the beginning of this conversation is because most of us think that to fulfill that, we have to leave home and go somewhere\u2014to the marketplace, to our community, we go door-to-door, we go out on the street corner or we go to another part of the world. But for moms and dads\u2014we are given an in-house mission field that we have a responsibility to fulfill those verses in the hearing of our children; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. The original Great Commission training center was the family. He gave parents the charge to model a love for God and to train their children to do the same.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s really your assignment. And we\u2019ve got a guest with us today\u2014Melissa Spoelstra\u2014who joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>Welcome back, Melissa.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Thanks so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She\u2019s written a book called <em>Total Family Makeover: Eight Practical Steps to Making Disciples at Home.<\/em> I think what you\u2019re hitting on here, Melissa, is what you\u2019ve found with your four children\u2014your husband is your pastor, and so you guys are all over this in the church, but you begin your ministry at home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019re really\u2014I think\u2014scratching something here that is an itch within the Christian community\u2014I don\u2019t think most parents really understand their assignment to make disciples.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> What is the greatest thing that I would want for my child? What are my hopes and my dreams for my child? Is it the \u201cAmerican Dream\u201d? That they\u2019re successful? That they have a house? That they get married? Is that my end-goal for them\u2014or do I want them to be faithful followers of Jesus, knowing that that is the way that leads to life? Following their calling, and finding that hope, because life will\u2014it\u2019s like playing \u201cWhack-a-Mole\u201d living, you know? It\u2019s like you put your head up and it gets beaten down. All of us have storms\u2014all of us have difficulties\u2014life will beat you up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd sin brings suffering. It does! So why do we want them to go down a path that will bring even more suffering than life\u2019s already going to throw at them? We want to be intentional in teaching them these spiritual rhythms\u2014these disciplines\u2014these things that we can do to show them how they can stay connected to this God who loves them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m just curious\u2014at what point in being a mom you started to recognize, \u201cOh, this is my mission field\u2014these are disciples\u2014these are not just cute kids for me to take care of and feed, but I have a spiritual responsibility.\u201d Did you know that before they were born, or did it dawn on you at some point as you were raising them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> That\u2019s a great question. I would say having the privilege of knowing Christ from a younger age\u2014we wanted to have a godly marriage, and we wanted to have godly children. We knew that this was our primary responsibility\u2014but I don\u2019t think I understood the \u201chow\u201d\u2014what that task would look like\u2014the tall order\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> \u2014because it doesn\u2019t look beautiful all of the time. I mean, the first time we sat down to do family devotions, it was an epic fail, you know? The kids were the wrong ages and at the wrong stages, the material wasn\u2019t right\u2014I think I had in my mind this vision of what it meant to make disciples at home\u2014what it would mean to pass on my faith to my children. It hasn\u2019t looked anything like I expected that it would.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You mentioned earlier that you began these eight steps in discipling kids with prayer\u2014teaching them about prayer\u2014teaching them how to pray. You then talk about training in the Scriptures\u2014giving them the truth. I just want to comment on that\u2014if there\u2019s ever been a time when parents need to pay attention to training your children with the truth, it\u2019s today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Because they\u2019re walking off into a world, even in elementary\u2014in the elementary years\u2014that is going to rob them of their innocence. They\u2019re going to convince them of lies if they don\u2019t know what the truth is\u2014and I can\u2019t say it strongly enough! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2014as a mom\u2014took advantage of a resource that FamilyLife created to help bring truth into the life of a pre-teen before they entered the adolescent years. Why don\u2019t you share with our listeners about Passport2Purity\u2014what it is\u2014and how you used it with all four of your children?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> It was just a valuable resource. I grew up in a southern family where nobody talked about\u2014you wouldn\u2019t even say the word, \u201cpurity\u201d\u2014much less \u201csex\u201d\u2014so that was never explained to me\u2014it was just \u201cfigure it out as you go.\u201d My husband and I knew we wanted to do something a little bit different with our kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSomeone introduced us to the Passport2Purity, where he started with our son and took him away for the weekend. He used just some awesome object lessons\u2014which are so great with kids! Sermonizing with kids is one of the things I\u2019ve found just doesn\u2019t work. You just keep talking and they\u2019re not listening anymore. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> So the great thing about Passport2Purity is you\u2019re going to put together a puzzle, or you\u2019re going to have some real things that they can see. It gave us a language to continue to speak\u2014just some verbiage. Things like \u201crunning with the herd,\u201d and \u201cgetting too close to the cliff\u201d\u2014and talking about your purity in a way that they could visualize it\u2014going back to some of that training and some of that teaching that was very much from the Word of God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The reason you could do that is the Passport2Purity experience is all in a kit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey\u2019ve got a student\u2019s manual that is a guide to help them begin to plot their way through adolescence. It actually is built around the concept of what\u2019s found in Daniel\u2014where he made up his mind in advance that he was not going to defile himself by eating of the king\u2019s food. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think one of the big problems with young people today is we\u2019re not challenging them with a high enough standard\u2014so as they enter into adolescence, they\u2019re easy prey for their peers to convince them to do what all of them are doing. But if you can help them think through what is right before they face it\u2014and coach them\u2014and encourage them, and then have a dialogue all the way through adolescence\u2014because you didn\u2019t just take them away for a day and then never talk about it again. You guys have talked about it all the way through the teenage years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Absolutely! We\u2019ve continued to \u201dcheck in\u201d with them. Something my husband and I talk about is that if you aim for nothing, you hit it every time\u2014so we want to aim for our kids knowing and loving God\u2014especially when it comes to that area of purity. But, at the end of the day, we want them to be able to feed themselves spiritually\u2014not just that they were spoon-fed it always. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThink about when your kids were little. My daughter, Rachel, was \u201cfailure to thrive.\u201d She didn\u2019t want to eat. I\u2019m going to the doctor, and I\u2019m crying as she\u2019s falling off the growth chart. I remember thinking, \u201cIs this what God thinks about us when we don\u2019t grow?\u201d I was just desperate! It consumed all of my thought and mind that she wasn\u2019t thriving\u2014that she wasn\u2019t growing. The doctor said, \u201cYou need to put her in the high chair and try to feed her three times a day. It may take two or three weeks, but you\u2019ll wear her down.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy husband, one time, was like, \u201cHere! Let me take over.\u201d [Laughter] He came, and he was patient at first. By the end of it, he said, \u201cNext time, let\u2019s just wipe it over her bib and her face and all over the place and say we did it!\u201d [Laughter] But do you know what happened? She eventually began to eat. Then, she eventually progressed to being able to feed herself. And isn\u2019t that what we want for them spiritually as well?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the beginning, we\u2019re going to feed them\u2014we\u2019re going to share with them\u2014we have to model being in God\u2019s Word and learning His truths. We found just by sharing, when we put them to bed, one truth that God had taught us in our own time in God\u2019s Word. \u201cHey, I was reading in the Proverbs, and it says gossip separates the closest of friends.\u201d \u201cHey, I read the story of Elijah today. It was amazing! God was in the still, small voice.\u201d One or two little nuggets. If you every night add those up\u2014not every night\u2014we didn\u2019t do it perfectly\u2014but if we had that aim for something\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Let\u2019s say you aim for it seven times a week\u2014you\u2019re going to do it every night\u2014and you only do it three\u2014that\u2019s three times more than if you didn\u2019t aim for it at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> We have this fear of failure\u2014if I start something I might fail, so I just won\u2019t start it. Instead, I think we\u2019ve got to never stop starting! Just like with our physical health. We\u2019ve got to keep at trying to take care of the body that God has given us. That means starting new things. Sometimes it works for a while, and then we realize it\u2019s not working anymore, and we transition, but man\u2014when it comes to God\u2019s Word\u2014I mean the power of life and death is in His Word!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want them to know how to feed themselves so that they can continue to grow\u2014so they will not be \u201cfailure to thrive\u201d as young adults\u2014and as young marrieds\u2014and through the rest of their lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to remind our listeners that we started the conversation by saying these are things that parents must be modeling so\u2014before you sit down to instruct your kids on what time in God\u2019s Word looks like\u2014they need to see that mom and dad spend time in God\u2019s Word and that this is important to them. They need to hear you talking about God\u2019s Word in your normal conversation\u2014they need to know that when something comes up, you can pull out a Scripture that\u2019s something you\u2019ve memorized.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen that\u2019s happening, they get the non-verbal picture that this really is important. But, I\u2019m curious, did you teach your kids how to study the Bible? Did you go through Bible study methods with them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> In a very simple way that they can understand it. I mean, this is the thing\u2014we don\u2019t want to overcomplicate it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think moms and dads out there are going to say, \u201cWell, I can\u2019t do that. I\u2019m not a Bible scholar. I haven\u2019t learned all of this.\u201d I challenge moms\u2014if you\u2019re not in God\u2019s Word on a regular basis\u2014if you\u2019re not already in a Bible study or you don\u2019t have a reading plan\u2014go to the Proverbs. They\u2019re chock-full of parenting wisdom, and here\u2019s the beauty of them\u2014you can miss a day and always catch up. You can say, \u201cOkay, whatever the day of the month it is, that\u2019s the Proverb I\u2019m going to read.\u201d If you miss tomorrow, you can pick it up the next day, and you haven\u2019t missed context.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> So start small\u2014and just begin sharing whatever it is that God is teaching you. It doesn\u2019t have to be so complicated. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut we did\u2014there are three questions that I think are really important as we approach Scripture. I believe we need to be a little bit like that little monkey, Curious George, who\u2019s with the man with the yellow hat\u2014he\u2019s always tinkering with things. He\u2019s so curious! I wanted to teach my kids to be curious with God\u2019s Word. So we have three questions we approach God\u2019s Word with, and I still do this myself when I open the book. \u201cWhat am I going to learn about God?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re just reading it to check it off\u2014if it\u2019s just like the vitamin pill that\u2014\u201cOh, I should take it, it\u2019s good for me. I got it down,\u201d it will not draw you closer to the Lord in the same way as if you\u2019re looking to know Him\u2014with a heart to <em>seek<\/em> Him. David\u2014when he\u2019s instructing his son Solomon\u2014he\u2019s like, \u201cServe and worship with a whole heart and a willing mind!\u201d And he said, \u201cIf you <em>seek<\/em> Him, you will find Him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhat am I going to learn about God?\u201d is the first question. The second question is, \u201cWhat am I going to learn about people?\u201d \u201cWhat do I see in this book?\u201d And here\u2019s the great, encouraging thing\u2014those people in there are a mess! I mean, look at Joseph\u2019s family! You want to talk about dysfunction? His dad was married to two sisters who didn\u2019t really like each other\u2014and then their housemaids! Imagine\u2014it\u2019s just\u2014!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYet you see God using flawed people in amazing ways! When you read it\u2014when you open it\u2019s <em>living<\/em> pages\u2014and you look for what people are like\u2014you go, \u201cOkay, God used flawed people.\u201d But God is holy! You read it! You see He wants you to obey\u2014not because He\u2019s this cruel father who wants to force you into submission\u2014because He made us\u2014and He knows what\u2019s best for us! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe knows that following His way\u2014living your life for Him and His kingdom is actually what brings joy to the heart. Serving and loving is actually better than receiving\u2014it\u2019s actually better than what the world\u2019s message is for our kids. So the third question\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe first one\u2014\u201cWhat am I going to learn about God?\u201d The second one\u2014\u201cWhat am I going to learn about people or about myself?\u201d And then, the last one is just\u2014\u201cIs there something God may be trying to speak to me today through this message that relates with my circumstances?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> \u201cIs there an application here for me?\u201d I\u2019ve taught my kids there doesn\u2019t always have to be\u2014but shouldn\u2019t we ask the question? Shouldn\u2019t we say, \u201cGod, do you have?\u201d\u2014because how many times have you asked a question\u2014and God\u2014for me\u2014most of the way He speaks to me is through His Word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> He just answers questions\u2014He confirms direction. It doesn\u2019t say in here who I should marry or where I should go to college\u2014but He uses it though His Spirit. We increase the Holy Spirit\u2019s vocabulary in our children\u2019s lives when they learn to read and study and approach God\u2019s Word curiously\u2014asking questions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay, we\u2019ve talked about the first two principles of how you disciple your kids. First is prayer\u2014explaining it and training them to do it. Then, secondly, getting them in the book\u2014the Bible\u2014and experiencing God in the Bible\u2014not just having it be a book of \u201cdo\u2019s and don\u2019ts\u201d \u2014but a book that is guiding them into Life, Himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The third area is mentoring. I\u2019m just curious as to how you speak to a child about mentors because\u2014obviously, a parent is going to be a mentor as they train their children. Did you actually introduce your children to other spiritual mentors?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Absolutely! I\u2019ll start with\u2014we are their first mentor\u2014of course! So what are the kind of coaching questions that as a mentor, you want to ask your child in the spiritual\u2014when it comes to spiritual things? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, again, I needed to model it first. They needed to see that I need a mentor\u2014that I had someone that I was calling because, \u201cMommy doesn\u2019t know everything. Mommy needs Jesus\u2014and mommy needs a mentor.\u201d Then, as they got older\u2014not when they were super young\u2014but especially as they entered the teen years and the adolescent years\u2014you start to lose the voice in their life a little bit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor my son\u2014he began meeting with a young college student on a weekly basis\u2014just going through a book. I just pointed out to him he was doing it, \u201cYou\u2019ve found a mentor.\u201d There were\u2014when my girls were freshmen in high school\u2014two senior girls that began to invest and pick up my girls to take them to youth activities and have that car time together\u2014they would meet for coffee. Again, just pointing it out to them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to stop you there, because did you set those relationships up?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> No\u2014I did not! That\u2019s part of being part of a church family and a church body and being on a spiritual path.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So some older\u2014an older\u2014boy spotted your son and said, \u201cHey, let\u2019s get together and study a book.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And some older young ladies discipled your twin daughters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Yes, and then my youngest saw all of this mentoring going on, and heard us giving the positive reinforcement\u2014that\u2019s a big part of this coaching. What does a good coach do? Give positive reinforcement. So she was like\u2014and she was only maybe 11 or 12 at the time, \u201cI need a mentor! I\u2019m the only one in this family that doesn\u2019t have a mentor.\u201d So I said, \u201cHey, let\u2019s go look around at church. Look around.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s the thing about being a mentor, especially as a parent. Look around at who you want to be like. My mentor is who I want to be when I grow up. She\u2019s not perfect, but the way she speaks to her kids, the way she exercises these spiritual disciplines, her love, her patience, is what I want to be like!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI didn\u2019t go up to her and say, \u201cHey, can you be my mentor?\u201d \u2014I began calling her\u2014I began getting together with her\u2014I began asking her questions. So, with my daughter, Rachel, let\u2019s train\u2014\u201cLet\u2019s go look. Let\u2019s think through the people that we know.\u201d She landed on a 16 year-old girl at church, and she approached her and said, \u201cWould you meet with me once a month\u2014would you spend some time with me?\u201d They began to do it for all of the years until that girl just graduated and went to college.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s the thing. Mentors aren\u2019t always for life\u2014sometimes they\u2019re for a season\u2014people move\u2014so Rachel\u2019s already got on her radar, \u201cOkay, she left for college. I need to find another person.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> My sons\u2014if they were here\u2014would tell you that they heard over and over again from me, \u201cLook around. Find somebody who is five to ten years down the path from where you are\u2014somebody who you look at and think, \u2018You know, when I\u2019m their age, I\u2019d like my life to look like theirs,\u2019 and then say, \u2018Can I buy you lunch? Can we get together? Can we play basketball? Can we do something?\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said it over and over and over again. Now, if a parent says stuff like that, and they don\u2019t see the mentoring process happening, would you ever\u2014as a parent\u2014try to engineer it? Go to somebody and say, \u201cHey, would you ask my daughter out to lunch?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> If the Holy Spirit led me, I would! That\u2019s one of those things that you just have to prayerfully approach and ask the Lord for instructions and for nudges\u2014for confirmations on those things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy daughter\u2014the other day\u2014I can\u2019t stand how teens these days watch one YouTube video after another! [Laughter] I\u2019ve challenged them about it! It\u2019s not like there\u2019s anything inherently wrong\u2014it\u2019s like watching four dogs that somebody made sweaters for and they put all of these sweaters on them. So, I\u2019m saying to my daughter, \u201cHave you done your chores?!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cYes, Mom!\u201d \u201cHave you cleaned your room? Have you done your homework?\u201d And she\u2019s like, \u201cI\u2019ve done everything! This is how I relax.\u201d I said, \u201cHave you read your Bible?\u201d She said, \u201cYou know, we made goal sheets, Mom. On mine, I wrote my goal was to read my Bible two days a week\u2014and I\u2019ve already done it this week.\u201d Of course, I said to her, \u201cDo you just <em>eat<\/em> two days a week?! Do you think that\u2019s enough?\u201d She rolled her eyes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, mercifully\u2014that weekend\u2014she went off to a church camp retreat weekend thing, and they challenged her to read her Bible for 68 days straight. She comes home, and she\u2019s telling everybody about it. I overheard her talking to someone else and saying, \u201cYou know, I had originally only planned to read my Bible two times a week\u2014but, would you only <em>eat<\/em> two days a week? I need to read the Bib\u2014\u201d I\u2019m sitting there going, [emotion in voice] \u201cThat! Wait! I said that\u2014and you rolled your eyes!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we need to remember this as parents\u2014just because they don\u2019t want to receive it, doesn\u2019t mean we stop sharing the truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You don\u2019t know when they\u2019re really listening either.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> You don\u2019t!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They roll their eyes back and yet, the truth of what you say, and the relationship that you have in place\u2014those kids soak it in\u2014soak it up. They know what the truth is\u2014it resonates with their heart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just encourage moms and dads. I\u2019m not talking about turning you into a preacher for your kids\u2014where you\u2019re sermonizing in their lives all of the time\u2014but I am talking about speaking the truth and guiding them. They desperately need parents all the way through adolescence! Don\u2019t back out of your 13 year-old\u2019s life when they want you out of their life\u2014because they don\u2019t know what\u2019s best.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou need to step in\u2014model\u2014teach\u2014and share the truth with them\u2014and hopefully they will soak it in like a sponge. It may not show up for a year\u2014it might not show up for ten years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But it\u2019s there in their souls and in their hearts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You talked about the importance of being a part of a faith community\u2014a part of a church\u2014a local church\u2014where you\u2019re plugged in. That\u2019s where you\u2019re most likely to find the kinds of mentors that your kids need\u2014and ultimately, that all of us need\u2014as we are on our spiritual journey. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMelissa, you talk about it in <em>Total Family Makeover<\/em>\u2014and I know your husband\u2019s a pastor, so this idea of not just being casual about our relationship with the local church, but being really engaged and involved in the life of the church\u2014this is vital. 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David\u2014when he\u2019s instructing his son Solomon\u2014he\u2019s like, \u201cServe and worship with a whole heart and a willing mind!\u201d And he said, \u201cIf you <em>seek<\/em> Him, you will find Him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, June 27<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. How can you get more out of your time in the Bible\u2014and how can you help your kids develop a love for reading the Bible as well? We\u2019re going to talk more about that today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I know you\u2019re kind of big on Matthew 28:19-20. You\u2019ve known those verses for a while; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When did you first learn the Great Commission\u2014do you remember?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s a good question. I think\u2014more than likely\u2014when I was a college student and I heard Bill Bright speak. He was challenging all of us young college men and women to go to the world with the greatest news that had ever been proclaimed. He would say, \u201cWhat\u2019s the greatest thing that has happened to you?\u201d Well, that would be receiving Christ\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and being forgiven. What\u2019s the greatest thing you could do for someone else? Introduce them to the Forgiver\u2014introduce them to Christ\u2014so they can know His love and forgiveness. He challenged us with that\u2014and so infected me that, I\u2019m sorry\u2014I\u2019m kind of like him now\u2014I get up every day now thinking, \u201cHow can I be a part of the greatest mission ever given to a human being?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> For those who may not be familiar with that passage, it\u2019s at the end of the book of Matthew, where Jesus says to His disciples, He says, \u201cAll authority in heaven and earth has been given to me.\u201d Then He gives them a charge, He says, \u201cGo, therefore, and make disciples of all people\u2014\u201d Well, you\u2019ve got it open\u2014do you want to read it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No, you\u2019ve nailed it. \u201cGo therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, <em>teaching them<\/em> to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The reason I bring up the Great Commission at the beginning of this conversation is because most of us think that to fulfill that, we have to leave home and go somewhere\u2014to the marketplace, to our community, we go door-to-door, we go out on the street corner or we go to another part of the world. But for moms and dads\u2014we are given an in-house mission field that we have a responsibility to fulfill those verses in the hearing of our children; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. The original Great Commission training center was the family. He gave parents the charge to model a love for God and to train their children to do the same.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s really your assignment. And we\u2019ve got a guest with us today\u2014Melissa Spoelstra\u2014who joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>Welcome back, Melissa.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Thanks so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She\u2019s written a book called <em>Total Family Makeover: Eight Practical Steps to Making Disciples at Home.<\/em> I think what you\u2019re hitting on here, Melissa, is what you\u2019ve found with your four children\u2014your husband is your pastor, and so you guys are all over this in the church, but you begin your ministry at home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019re really\u2014I think\u2014scratching something here that is an itch within the Christian community\u2014I don\u2019t think most parents really understand their assignment to make disciples.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> What is the greatest thing that I would want for my child? What are my hopes and my dreams for my child? Is it the \u201cAmerican Dream\u201d? That they\u2019re successful? That they have a house? That they get married? Is that my end-goal for them\u2014or do I want them to be faithful followers of Jesus, knowing that that is the way that leads to life? Following their calling, and finding that hope, because life will\u2014it\u2019s like playing \u201cWhack-a-Mole\u201d living, you know? It\u2019s like you put your head up and it gets beaten down. All of us have storms\u2014all of us have difficulties\u2014life will beat you up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd sin brings suffering. It does! So why do we want them to go down a path that will bring even more suffering than life\u2019s already going to throw at them? We want to be intentional in teaching them these spiritual rhythms\u2014these disciplines\u2014these things that we can do to show them how they can stay connected to this God who loves them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m just curious\u2014at what point in being a mom you started to recognize, \u201cOh, this is my mission field\u2014these are disciples\u2014these are not just cute kids for me to take care of and feed, but I have a spiritual responsibility.\u201d Did you know that before they were born, or did it dawn on you at some point as you were raising them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> That\u2019s a great question. I would say having the privilege of knowing Christ from a younger age\u2014we wanted to have a godly marriage, and we wanted to have godly children. We knew that this was our primary responsibility\u2014but I don\u2019t think I understood the \u201chow\u201d\u2014what that task would look like\u2014the tall order\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> \u2014because it doesn\u2019t look beautiful all of the time. I mean, the first time we sat down to do family devotions, it was an epic fail, you know? The kids were the wrong ages and at the wrong stages, the material wasn\u2019t right\u2014I think I had in my mind this vision of what it meant to make disciples at home\u2014what it would mean to pass on my faith to my children. It hasn\u2019t looked anything like I expected that it would.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You mentioned earlier that you began these eight steps in discipling kids with prayer\u2014teaching them about prayer\u2014teaching them how to pray. You then talk about training in the Scriptures\u2014giving them the truth. I just want to comment on that\u2014if there\u2019s ever been a time when parents need to pay attention to training your children with the truth, it\u2019s today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Because they\u2019re walking off into a world, even in elementary\u2014in the elementary years\u2014that is going to rob them of their innocence. They\u2019re going to convince them of lies if they don\u2019t know what the truth is\u2014and I can\u2019t say it strongly enough! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2014as a mom\u2014took advantage of a resource that FamilyLife created to help bring truth into the life of a pre-teen before they entered the adolescent years. Why don\u2019t you share with our listeners about Passport2Purity\u2014what it is\u2014and how you used it with all four of your children?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> It was just a valuable resource. I grew up in a southern family where nobody talked about\u2014you wouldn\u2019t even say the word, \u201cpurity\u201d\u2014much less \u201csex\u201d\u2014so that was never explained to me\u2014it was just \u201cfigure it out as you go.\u201d My husband and I knew we wanted to do something a little bit different with our kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSomeone introduced us to the Passport2Purity, where he started with our son and took him away for the weekend. He used just some awesome object lessons\u2014which are so great with kids! Sermonizing with kids is one of the things I\u2019ve found just doesn\u2019t work. You just keep talking and they\u2019re not listening anymore. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> So the great thing about Passport2Purity is you\u2019re going to put together a puzzle, or you\u2019re going to have some real things that they can see. It gave us a language to continue to speak\u2014just some verbiage. Things like \u201crunning with the herd,\u201d and \u201cgetting too close to the cliff\u201d\u2014and talking about your purity in a way that they could visualize it\u2014going back to some of that training and some of that teaching that was very much from the Word of God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The reason you could do that is the Passport2Purity experience is all in a kit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey\u2019ve got a student\u2019s manual that is a guide to help them begin to plot their way through adolescence. It actually is built around the concept of what\u2019s found in Daniel\u2014where he made up his mind in advance that he was not going to defile himself by eating of the king\u2019s food. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think one of the big problems with young people today is we\u2019re not challenging them with a high enough standard\u2014so as they enter into adolescence, they\u2019re easy prey for their peers to convince them to do what all of them are doing. But if you can help them think through what is right before they face it\u2014and coach them\u2014and encourage them, and then have a dialogue all the way through adolescence\u2014because you didn\u2019t just take them away for a day and then never talk about it again. You guys have talked about it all the way through the teenage years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Absolutely! We\u2019ve continued to \u201dcheck in\u201d with them. Something my husband and I talk about is that if you aim for nothing, you hit it every time\u2014so we want to aim for our kids knowing and loving God\u2014especially when it comes to that area of purity. But, at the end of the day, we want them to be able to feed themselves spiritually\u2014not just that they were spoon-fed it always. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThink about when your kids were little. My daughter, Rachel, was \u201cfailure to thrive.\u201d She didn\u2019t want to eat. I\u2019m going to the doctor, and I\u2019m crying as she\u2019s falling off the growth chart. I remember thinking, \u201cIs this what God thinks about us when we don\u2019t grow?\u201d I was just desperate! It consumed all of my thought and mind that she wasn\u2019t thriving\u2014that she wasn\u2019t growing. The doctor said, \u201cYou need to put her in the high chair and try to feed her three times a day. It may take two or three weeks, but you\u2019ll wear her down.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy husband, one time, was like, \u201cHere! Let me take over.\u201d [Laughter] He came, and he was patient at first. By the end of it, he said, \u201cNext time, let\u2019s just wipe it over her bib and her face and all over the place and say we did it!\u201d [Laughter] But do you know what happened? She eventually began to eat. Then, she eventually progressed to being able to feed herself. And isn\u2019t that what we want for them spiritually as well?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the beginning, we\u2019re going to feed them\u2014we\u2019re going to share with them\u2014we have to model being in God\u2019s Word and learning His truths. We found just by sharing, when we put them to bed, one truth that God had taught us in our own time in God\u2019s Word. \u201cHey, I was reading in the Proverbs, and it says gossip separates the closest of friends.\u201d \u201cHey, I read the story of Elijah today. It was amazing! God was in the still, small voice.\u201d One or two little nuggets. If you every night add those up\u2014not every night\u2014we didn\u2019t do it perfectly\u2014but if we had that aim for something\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Let\u2019s say you aim for it seven times a week\u2014you\u2019re going to do it every night\u2014and you only do it three\u2014that\u2019s three times more than if you didn\u2019t aim for it at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> We have this fear of failure\u2014if I start something I might fail, so I just won\u2019t start it. Instead, I think we\u2019ve got to never stop starting! Just like with our physical health. We\u2019ve got to keep at trying to take care of the body that God has given us. That means starting new things. Sometimes it works for a while, and then we realize it\u2019s not working anymore, and we transition, but man\u2014when it comes to God\u2019s Word\u2014I mean the power of life and death is in His Word!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want them to know how to feed themselves so that they can continue to grow\u2014so they will not be \u201cfailure to thrive\u201d as young adults\u2014and as young marrieds\u2014and through the rest of their lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to remind our listeners that we started the conversation by saying these are things that parents must be modeling so\u2014before you sit down to instruct your kids on what time in God\u2019s Word looks like\u2014they need to see that mom and dad spend time in God\u2019s Word and that this is important to them. They need to hear you talking about God\u2019s Word in your normal conversation\u2014they need to know that when something comes up, you can pull out a Scripture that\u2019s something you\u2019ve memorized.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen that\u2019s happening, they get the non-verbal picture that this really is important. But, I\u2019m curious, did you teach your kids how to study the Bible? Did you go through Bible study methods with them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> In a very simple way that they can understand it. I mean, this is the thing\u2014we don\u2019t want to overcomplicate it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think moms and dads out there are going to say, \u201cWell, I can\u2019t do that. I\u2019m not a Bible scholar. I haven\u2019t learned all of this.\u201d I challenge moms\u2014if you\u2019re not in God\u2019s Word on a regular basis\u2014if you\u2019re not already in a Bible study or you don\u2019t have a reading plan\u2014go to the Proverbs. They\u2019re chock-full of parenting wisdom, and here\u2019s the beauty of them\u2014you can miss a day and always catch up. You can say, \u201cOkay, whatever the day of the month it is, that\u2019s the Proverb I\u2019m going to read.\u201d If you miss tomorrow, you can pick it up the next day, and you haven\u2019t missed context.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> So start small\u2014and just begin sharing whatever it is that God is teaching you. It doesn\u2019t have to be so complicated. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut we did\u2014there are three questions that I think are really important as we approach Scripture. I believe we need to be a little bit like that little monkey, Curious George, who\u2019s with the man with the yellow hat\u2014he\u2019s always tinkering with things. He\u2019s so curious! I wanted to teach my kids to be curious with God\u2019s Word. So we have three questions we approach God\u2019s Word with, and I still do this myself when I open the book. \u201cWhat am I going to learn about God?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re just reading it to check it off\u2014if it\u2019s just like the vitamin pill that\u2014\u201cOh, I should take it, it\u2019s good for me. I got it down,\u201d it will not draw you closer to the Lord in the same way as if you\u2019re looking to know Him\u2014with a heart to <em>seek<\/em> Him. David\u2014when he\u2019s instructing his son Solomon\u2014he\u2019s like, \u201cServe and worship with a whole heart and a willing mind!\u201d And he said, \u201cIf you <em>seek<\/em> Him, you will find Him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhat am I going to learn about God?\u201d is the first question. The second question is, \u201cWhat am I going to learn about people?\u201d \u201cWhat do I see in this book?\u201d And here\u2019s the great, encouraging thing\u2014those people in there are a mess! I mean, look at Joseph\u2019s family! You want to talk about dysfunction? His dad was married to two sisters who didn\u2019t really like each other\u2014and then their housemaids! Imagine\u2014it\u2019s just\u2014!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYet you see God using flawed people in amazing ways! When you read it\u2014when you open it\u2019s <em>living<\/em> pages\u2014and you look for what people are like\u2014you go, \u201cOkay, God used flawed people.\u201d But God is holy! You read it! You see He wants you to obey\u2014not because He\u2019s this cruel father who wants to force you into submission\u2014because He made us\u2014and He knows what\u2019s best for us! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe knows that following His way\u2014living your life for Him and His kingdom is actually what brings joy to the heart. Serving and loving is actually better than receiving\u2014it\u2019s actually better than what the world\u2019s message is for our kids. So the third question\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe first one\u2014\u201cWhat am I going to learn about God?\u201d The second one\u2014\u201cWhat am I going to learn about people or about myself?\u201d And then, the last one is just\u2014\u201cIs there something God may be trying to speak to me today through this message that relates with my circumstances?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> \u201cIs there an application here for me?\u201d I\u2019ve taught my kids there doesn\u2019t always have to be\u2014but shouldn\u2019t we ask the question? Shouldn\u2019t we say, \u201cGod, do you have?\u201d\u2014because how many times have you asked a question\u2014and God\u2014for me\u2014most of the way He speaks to me is through His Word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> He just answers questions\u2014He confirms direction. It doesn\u2019t say in here who I should marry or where I should go to college\u2014but He uses it though His Spirit. We increase the Holy Spirit\u2019s vocabulary in our children\u2019s lives when they learn to read and study and approach God\u2019s Word curiously\u2014asking questions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay, we\u2019ve talked about the first two principles of how you disciple your kids. First is prayer\u2014explaining it and training them to do it. Then, secondly, getting them in the book\u2014the Bible\u2014and experiencing God in the Bible\u2014not just having it be a book of \u201cdo\u2019s and don\u2019ts\u201d \u2014but a book that is guiding them into Life, Himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The third area is mentoring. I\u2019m just curious as to how you speak to a child about mentors because\u2014obviously, a parent is going to be a mentor as they train their children. Did you actually introduce your children to other spiritual mentors?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Absolutely! I\u2019ll start with\u2014we are their first mentor\u2014of course! So what are the kind of coaching questions that as a mentor, you want to ask your child in the spiritual\u2014when it comes to spiritual things? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, again, I needed to model it first. They needed to see that I need a mentor\u2014that I had someone that I was calling because, \u201cMommy doesn\u2019t know everything. Mommy needs Jesus\u2014and mommy needs a mentor.\u201d Then, as they got older\u2014not when they were super young\u2014but especially as they entered the teen years and the adolescent years\u2014you start to lose the voice in their life a little bit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor my son\u2014he began meeting with a young college student on a weekly basis\u2014just going through a book. I just pointed out to him he was doing it, \u201cYou\u2019ve found a mentor.\u201d There were\u2014when my girls were freshmen in high school\u2014two senior girls that began to invest and pick up my girls to take them to youth activities and have that car time together\u2014they would meet for coffee. Again, just pointing it out to them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to stop you there, because did you set those relationships up?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> No\u2014I did not! That\u2019s part of being part of a church family and a church body and being on a spiritual path.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So some older\u2014an older\u2014boy spotted your son and said, \u201cHey, let\u2019s get together and study a book.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And some older young ladies discipled your twin daughters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> Yes, and then my youngest saw all of this mentoring going on, and heard us giving the positive reinforcement\u2014that\u2019s a big part of this coaching. What does a good coach do? Give positive reinforcement. So she was like\u2014and she was only maybe 11 or 12 at the time, \u201cI need a mentor! I\u2019m the only one in this family that doesn\u2019t have a mentor.\u201d So I said, \u201cHey, let\u2019s go look around at church. Look around.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s the thing about being a mentor, especially as a parent. Look around at who you want to be like. My mentor is who I want to be when I grow up. She\u2019s not perfect, but the way she speaks to her kids, the way she exercises these spiritual disciplines, her love, her patience, is what I want to be like!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI didn\u2019t go up to her and say, \u201cHey, can you be my mentor?\u201d \u2014I began calling her\u2014I began getting together with her\u2014I began asking her questions. So, with my daughter, Rachel, let\u2019s train\u2014\u201cLet\u2019s go look. Let\u2019s think through the people that we know.\u201d She landed on a 16 year-old girl at church, and she approached her and said, \u201cWould you meet with me once a month\u2014would you spend some time with me?\u201d They began to do it for all of the years until that girl just graduated and went to college.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s the thing. Mentors aren\u2019t always for life\u2014sometimes they\u2019re for a season\u2014people move\u2014so Rachel\u2019s already got on her radar, \u201cOkay, she left for college. I need to find another person.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> My sons\u2014if they were here\u2014would tell you that they heard over and over again from me, \u201cLook around. Find somebody who is five to ten years down the path from where you are\u2014somebody who you look at and think, \u2018You know, when I\u2019m their age, I\u2019d like my life to look like theirs,\u2019 and then say, \u2018Can I buy you lunch? Can we get together? Can we play basketball? Can we do something?\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said it over and over and over again. Now, if a parent says stuff like that, and they don\u2019t see the mentoring process happening, would you ever\u2014as a parent\u2014try to engineer it? Go to somebody and say, \u201cHey, would you ask my daughter out to lunch?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> If the Holy Spirit led me, I would! That\u2019s one of those things that you just have to prayerfully approach and ask the Lord for instructions and for nudges\u2014for confirmations on those things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy daughter\u2014the other day\u2014I can\u2019t stand how teens these days watch one YouTube video after another! [Laughter] I\u2019ve challenged them about it! It\u2019s not like there\u2019s anything inherently wrong\u2014it\u2019s like watching four dogs that somebody made sweaters for and they put all of these sweaters on them. So, I\u2019m saying to my daughter, \u201cHave you done your chores?!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cYes, Mom!\u201d \u201cHave you cleaned your room? Have you done your homework?\u201d And she\u2019s like, \u201cI\u2019ve done everything! This is how I relax.\u201d I said, \u201cHave you read your Bible?\u201d She said, \u201cYou know, we made goal sheets, Mom. On mine, I wrote my goal was to read my Bible two days a week\u2014and I\u2019ve already done it this week.\u201d Of course, I said to her, \u201cDo you just <em>eat<\/em> two days a week?! Do you think that\u2019s enough?\u201d She rolled her eyes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, mercifully\u2014that weekend\u2014she went off to a church camp retreat weekend thing, and they challenged her to read her Bible for 68 days straight. She comes home, and she\u2019s telling everybody about it. I overheard her talking to someone else and saying, \u201cYou know, I had originally only planned to read my Bible two times a week\u2014but, would you only <em>eat<\/em> two days a week? I need to read the Bib\u2014\u201d I\u2019m sitting there going, [emotion in voice] \u201cThat! Wait! I said that\u2014and you rolled your eyes!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we need to remember this as parents\u2014just because they don\u2019t want to receive it, doesn\u2019t mean we stop sharing the truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You don\u2019t know when they\u2019re really listening either.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melissa:<\/strong> You don\u2019t!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They roll their eyes back and yet, the truth of what you say, and the relationship that you have in place\u2014those kids soak it in\u2014soak it up. They know what the truth is\u2014it resonates with their heart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just encourage moms and dads. I\u2019m not talking about turning you into a preacher for your kids\u2014where you\u2019re sermonizing in their lives all of the time\u2014but I am talking about speaking the truth and guiding them. They desperately need parents all the way through adolescence! Don\u2019t back out of your 13 year-old\u2019s life when they want you out of their life\u2014because they don\u2019t know what\u2019s best.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou need to step in\u2014model\u2014teach\u2014and share the truth with them\u2014and hopefully they will soak it in like a sponge. It may not show up for a year\u2014it might not show up for ten years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But it\u2019s there in their souls and in their hearts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You talked about the importance of being a part of a faith community\u2014a part of a church\u2014a local church\u2014where you\u2019re plugged in. That\u2019s where you\u2019re most likely to find the kinds of mentors that your kids need\u2014and ultimately, that all of us need\u2014as we are on our spiritual journey. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMelissa, you talk about it in <em>Total Family Makeover<\/em>\u2014and I know your husband\u2019s a pastor, so this idea of not just being casual about our relationship with the local church, but being really engaged and involved in the life of the church\u2014this is vital. I hope a lot of our listeners will add to their summer reading list this summer a copy of your book, <em>Total Family Makeover<\/em>\u2014and not just read it, but highlight it and pull some action points out of the book. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got copies in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. You can order online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to order. The book is called <em>Total Family Makeover<\/em>, by Melissa Spoelstra. Again, order online at FamilyLifeToday.com or order by phone at 1-800-FL-TODAY. That\u2019s 1-800-358-6329. 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, talking about the importance of the local church\u2014it\u2019s something that we feel strongly about here at FamilyLife, and you will often hear us say\u2014when it comes to financial giving\u2014\u201cYour local church ought to be your first priority in terms of where your giving goes.\u201d I hope all of you are active in a local church\u2014and I hope you\u2019re supporting that church financially. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI also hope that if <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>is having an impact in your life, that you would consider making a contribution to the work we\u2019re doing as well. <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>is listener-supported. 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Our address is <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>at Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow we want to talk about how tired we are, and how important it is to have rest built into our schedule and into our lives\u2014especially if we want to grow spiritually\u2014that\u2019s a factor! We\u2019ll talk more about that tomorrow\u2014hope you can tune in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. 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