{"id":304466,"date":"2017-04-17T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2017-04-17T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/introducing-your-kids-to-the-bible\/"},"modified":"2017-04-17T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2017-04-17T15:00:00","slug":"introducing-your-kids-to-the-bible","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/introducing-your-kids-to-the-bible\/","title":{"rendered":"Introducing Your Kids to the Bible"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How do you teach the gospel to a 3-year-old? 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Let\u2019s face it\u2014in this culture, it\u2019s easy for kids to be confused about God, Jesus, and the Bible. Here\u2019s Sally Lloyd-Jones.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> When I grew up, I thought the Bible was about me and what I\u2019m supposed to be doing so that God would love me. I thought it was a book of rules that you had to keep and then God would be pleased with you and love you; or else, it was a book of heroes you\u2019re supposed to copy. But the Bible isn\u2019t a book of rules or a book of heroes. It\u2019s, most of all, a story\u2014and it is the story of how God loves His children and comes to rescue them. At the center of the story, there\u2019s a baby; and every single story in the Bible whispers His name.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, April 17<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Are your kids confused about anything related to God, or Jesus, or the Bible? What are you doing to help get them pointed in the right direction? We\u2019ll have that conversation today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Monday edition. You know, we did a survey of listeners\u2014this was many years ago\u2014where we asked: \u201cWhat are the parenting issues that you would most like to have us address on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>?\u201d And I remember thinking, before the survey went out, \u201cI bet the answer\u2019s going to be discipline.\u201d That\u2019s what I thought would come in first.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And, frankly, I would have thought it might have been character issues\u2014you know, the book of Proverbs--helping your children make wise choices\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and not foolish ones.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Obedience would be in there somewhere; but the survey came back\u2014you remember what it showed?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It showed that the spiritual development of your children is the number one thing that parents wanted help with. I guess I was a little surprised; and then I thought, \u201cWell, that\u2019s the number one priority that we\u2019ve got at our house\u2014is how our kids are doing, walking with the Lord.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s kind of what I thought, too, Bob. I thought, \u201cYou know, it\u2019s a big idea.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And it\u2019s such a big idea that I think most parents don\u2019t feel <em>equipped<\/em> to be able to do that in an effective way. If you remember, in Deuteronomy 6, when God was commanding Israel to shape a new nation, He <em>commanded<\/em> them to teach their children diligently\u2014as they lie down, rose up, walked by the way\u2014but to teach the precepts and truth of God\u2019s Word to their children. The reason God did that is\u2014He <em>knows<\/em> that a country \/ a nation can\u2019t survive if it doesn\u2019t have a generational relay race. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob, it\u2019s been our privilege, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>,to be a part of exhorting, imploring, challenging, and encouraging parents to make a good hand-off to the next generation, now for 25 years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; this year, we will be celebrating our 25<sup>th<\/sup> birthday\u2014that comes up later this year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a part of the birthday celebration, we thought it would be fun to take a theme, like the theme of your child\u2019s spiritual development, and go back through the years and hear some of the voices \/ some of the people, who have been guests with us\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The best of the best!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014to hear how these folks addressed these issues. For example, I had the opportunity\u2014this was in front of an audience\u2014I was talking to Voddie Baucham. Voddie, as many of our listeners know, was a pastor in Houston. He now is living with his family in Africa, where he heads a seminary in Zambia, Africa. I asked Voddie, because he had been talking about the need to teach your kids the gospel. He said that it is more than just teaching them how to pray a prayer to ask Jesus into their heart\u2014teaching them the gospel from the time they\u2019re little. So I thought, \u201cOkay; I\u2019ve got a question for you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow do I preach the gospel to a three-year-old?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Voddie:<\/strong> Oh! It\u2019s great! Your three-year-old does something\u2014your three-year-old lies\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014now, my three year-old has lied! \u201cDo you understand that you lied?\u201d \u201cYes; I understand that I lied.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHopefully, my three-year-old will know something about the Ten Commandments\u2014he knows that God says that you\u2019re not to lie \/ he knows about the warnings that we have in the Scriptures about lying. Then, I have two choices. I could tell him, \u201cOkay; now, don\u2019t lie anymore. Go tell the truth,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s works-based righteousness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Instead<\/em>, say, \u201cDo you know <em>why<\/em> you lied?\u201d Now, we get to his heart \/ now, we get to his <em>sin<\/em>. When I let him know that he\u2019s lying, because of his heart and because of his sin, I remind him, once again, that that\u2019s just another indication that what he needs is for Jesus to save him from his sin. See, now, I\u2019m not moving toward works righteousness\u2014I\u2019m moving toward the gospel. With a three-year-old, that\u2019s all day, every day, that you have an opportunity to do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And when you say, \u201cSave him from his sin,\u201d you\u2019re not just talking about saving him from hell\u2014you\u2019re talking about: \u201cForgive him for what he\u2019s done, but also transform him into the kind of young person who doesn\u2019t tell lies anymore\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Voddie:<\/strong> Absolutely!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cor who doesn\u2019t want to tell lies anymore.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Voddie:<\/strong> Absolutely!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And, Bob, the thing I like about what Voddie said is\u2014he\u2019s addressing the issue of the heart and calling a child back to the Savior. That\u2019s who he needs to reckon with on a daily basis: \u201cWill I surrender to Jesus Christ and let Him live His life in and through me and love other people and do the right thing?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> To go past the behavior and ask the \u201cWhy\u201d question, I think, is significant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And the thing I like about it is\u2014it really reflects all the way back upon Deuteronomy 6, where God was saying to you, \u201c\u2026as you walk by the way,\u201d\u2014as your child lies \/ as your child is mean to another child\u2014you use those moments as opportunities to help your child begin to rightly evaluate who he or she is, and fall into right standing with God, and walk with Him and be obedient to Him, going forward.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We had the opportunity to talk to Dr. Bruce Ware, who is a professor of systematic theology at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And you know what? Parents are listening to us, right now, and going, \u201cNow, what do you mean?\u2014systematic theology for a child?\u201d Let me tell you something\u2014you can teach <em>anything<\/em> to a child before they go to bed \/ they will do anything to <em>escape<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014to stay awake! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They will talk! You can get down on your knees, next to their bed, and have these discussions. So, Bob, you can actually teach systematic theology to your children! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s what he was saying\u2014he was saying, you know, when you\u2019re walking with them by the way \/ when you\u2019re on the way to school, when you\u2019re at the breakfast table\u2014all of those are good times to be sharing biblical truth with your sons and daughters. He said there is one time of day when they are fully engaged.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019ve dedicated this book to your daughters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How did you introduce the awesomeness, or the greatness, of God to them when they were little?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes; well, I\u2019ll tell you how this happened\u2014actually, this book grew out of what Jodi and I did with our girls, growing up. I can remember when Bethany and Rachel were, oh, probably six and three years old\u2014you know, squirrely, wiggly, happy little girls, who didn\u2019t want to go to bed at night, you know? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; we used this technique as well! They\u2019ll use <em>anything<\/em>! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Anything!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They\u2019ll even talk about God to stay awake!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> So I thought, \u201cIf we can\u2019t win this battle, let\u2019s co-opt it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> \u2014and take advantage of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Absolutely!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> So, I started meeting with each of the girls, at their bedside, after they got in their pajamas and got in bed. I would get down on my knees, and we would have Theology 101. For <em>years<\/em>, I did this and went through the whole of what I teach at the seminary. I would just introduce a verse and an idea \/ a truth. I would expose them to it, and then we would talk about it; and they\u2019d ask questions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I think the main goal you have, whether they\u2019re little or older, is to enable them, by God\u2019s grace and through the revelation of His Word, to catch a <em>vision<\/em> of the greatness of God. We live in a culture where many other things are great. I mean, we use the word, \u201cawesome,\u201d for example, for almost everything\u2014maybe even a hamburger, you know? We\u2019ve lost the sense of the <em>awe<\/em>-someness of <em>One\u2014<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> \u2014of One and only <em>One<\/em>, of whom there is <em>no equal<\/em>\u2014and that is our Creator \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod \/ our Redeemer God. So helping children grow in a way, where they realize how <em>great<\/em> God really is; and how independent He is of this world; and how privileged it is for <em>me<\/em>, a finite, feeble human being to know Him through Christ\u2014what He has done to make Himself known and draw me to Himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want all of the parents and grandparents to listen up! Your assignment \/ your privilege\u2014you get the holy duty of being able to introduce your child to the awesome God of the universe and to use bedtime to make the introduction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Somebody else, who had helpful teaching techniques for us, is the author of <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>, which I know a lot of our listeners have used at bedtime or at dinnertime.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Excellent! It\u2019s really good\u2014really good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sally Lloyd-Jones is a delightful author and was a delightful guest on <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em> We talked to her about how she engages with young people \/ children around spiritual subjects.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I don\u2019t presume to tell parents, or teachers, or anyone what they should be doing; but when I\u2019m with children, what I want to, first of all, do is have a sense of fun with them\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014you know, make them comfortable \/ be on their level and talk to them. They\u2019re people\u2014they\u2019re just smaller! Talking to them as someone\u2014like you would talk to a friend\u2014not sort of so you\u2019re teaching them something all of the time, but having a conversation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other thing I\u2019ve found helpful is asking \u201cI wonder\u2026\u201d questions. You know, sometimes, I\u2019ll be going around speaking about <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>, and I tell the story on myself that\u2014it\u2019s very easy to read a story, and then, at the end of a story, go, \u201cWell, what that really means is this.\u201d Then you kill the story with some lesson that you\u2019ve made up. Instead of doing that, just say\u2014like with the boy and his lunch\u2014it\u2019s so easy \/ the easiest thing to do\u2014and I\u2019ve done it\u2014is to say, \u201cNow what does this story teach us about how we should behave?\u201d But that\u2019s not why the story\u2019s there. The story\u2019s there because Jesus did something <em>incredible<\/em> with what the little boy gave Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo what I\u2019ve found more helpful is\u2014to say \/ to wonder with the child so that you\u2019re on their level\u2014you\u2019re not the teacher telling them. There\u2019s a place for the teacher\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but, as a parent, to sit with the child and be: \u201cWell, I wonder what would happen if we gave God what we had? What would happen if <em>you<\/em> gave Him everything you had? What might He do with you?\u201d Just open it up to the child so that the child\u2014their imagination takes it from there, and God works from there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You hear Sally Lloyd-Jones talking about that and you think, \u201cI can do that, as a parent!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You can ask an \u201cI wonder\u2026\u201d question; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; and it\u2019s the key to unlocking a child\u2019s heart\u2014let the child imagine and answer the question.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, one of the things that we, as parents, need to use more frequently with our children\u2014I think is just humor \/ it is fun\u2014it\u2019s having fun with them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYesterday, Bob, I was hosting a family for lunch, here at FamilyLife. They had four children. I thought, \u201cThese children are going to think I am the oldest fuddy-duddy grandpa in the world.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI knew that a couple of them had already been through <em>Passport2Purity<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and they were getting ready to go through <em>Passport2Identity<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup>. I thought, \u201cYou know, I want to kind of set them up to look forward to going through some of the teachings of <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> and <em>Passport2Identity<\/em> that will help them, as young adults, begin to hammer out their own spiritual walk with God.\u201d I spent most of the lunch just having fun with those kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe thing is, Bob\u2014if you\u2019re having fun with your kids, then the opportunity to teach, I think, presents itself more frequently.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I think the children are ready to listen if they sense you\u2019re a mom and a dad, who know how to have a good time with them, but also a mom and a dad who are on a mission, wanting to introduce their kids to Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> One of the hardest things that parents deal with is when a young child expresses some kind of a spiritual interest.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen a child comes, at age three or four and says, \u201cI want to ask Jesus into my heart,\u201d or \u201cI want to be a Christian,\u201d you may sit down with that child and talk with them about sin, about the gospel, about Jesus\u2019 death and resurrection. You wonder how much they really understand. You pray a prayer with the child, and then, you think to yourself: \u201cDid anything really happen there? Did they really\u2026? Are they converted now?\u201d I remember we wrestled with this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had a guest\u2014this was back the first few years that <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>was on the air\u2014we had a guest\u2014our friend, Jim Elliff, who had written a book about children coming to faith in Christ. We put that question to him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> In Chapter 15 of the Book of Romans, it says, \u201cWhatever things were written before were written for our learning that we, through perseverance and comfort of the Scripture, might have hope.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, hope means the confidence that the future\u2019s going to work out alright. How am I going to have hope?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> He says it\u2019s through two means\u2014one\u2019s the \u201ccomfort of the Scripture.\u201d We can look at that verse in John 6:47: \u201cHe who believes has everlasting life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> I can get some comfort from that\u2014assurance and help from that\u2014that\u2019s one place we look. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the other side is to look at perseverance\u2014that\u2019s the work of God as well\u2014because he goes on to say, \u201cNow God who gives perseverance and comfort\u2026\u201d in the next verse. So He gives it, but we look at the evidence of God at work in our lives to know if that faith that we claim to have is a <em>real<\/em> saving faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So if your child comes home from a children\u2019s meeting and says to you: \u201cDad, let me tell you what I just did. I became a Christian today. I prayed a prayer to receive Christ as my Lord and Savior,\u201d what do you do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019m positive \/ I\u2019m encouraging. How do I know\u2014that he might have come to Christ today!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> So I\u2019d say something like this to him: \u201cI\u2019m thrilled that you appear to be repenting and trusting in Christ!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, I prefer those terms rather than to \u201cinviting Jesus into the life,\u201d which I don\u2019t really find in the Scripture. Let\u2019s go back to the Bible\u2019s terms: \u201crepenting and trusting in Christ.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> \u201cI\u2019m thrilled that you\u2019re repenting and trusting in Christ! More than anything, we want to <em>know<\/em> if God has really changed your heart. The way we\u2019ll know is if you continue repenting of sin and trusting in Christ\u2014and if you act like a true Christian\u2014that is, you have a new heart that <em>loves<\/em> to obey God. Sometimes, we don\u2019t know that until we\u2019re in a place where it really <em>costs<\/em> us to be a Christian. We\u2019ll just see what God does.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, as far as I can tell in the Scripture, we\u2019re never told to discern whether we\u2019re a Christian\u2014not by going back to a decision\u2014we look at our lives right now!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Fruit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> We look at fruit. We look to see: \u201cIs this, that we call life, really demonstrating itself? Is there <em>spiritual<\/em> life in me?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What Jim Elliff was talking about here is how you walk through the process of introducing repentance, faith, and salvation to your children. It\u2019s not a one-and-done deal. I think it\u2019s done over and over and over again\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014in terms of introducing them to what\u2019s at stake here: \u201cWell, you\u2019ve broken God\u2019s laws \/ you\u2019re a sinner. Practically speaking, that means you\u2019ve missed the mark. The mark is perfection. We\u2019re all broken \/ we all need salvation.\u201d You just repeatedly talk about this in a practical way\u2014not to shame the child or to put the child down\u2014but just to talk about: \u201cThis is what God is up to! He wants to redeem you, make you a new person, and use you for the rest of your life on a mission by you being an ambassador and taking this news to other people.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, I just had a friend, who said that they had a buddy, who they went to school with who, years later\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014like a decade later\u2014after graduating from high school \/ after college, came back and said to the Christian friend\u2014said, \u201cYour example of representing Christ to me, and inviting me to go to church, and inviting me to go to outreaches that had been hosted for young people\u2014I just want you to know it didn\u2019t mean that much then, but it means a lot now.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So you\u2019re training your kids to know how to relate to their friends, who don\u2019t know Christ as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And if God is really real in their lives\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014they\u2019ll do that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014if they prayed with sincerity, and if they are sincerely believing the gospel, God will begin that transforming work. They won\u2019t be perfect the next day, but you can begin to see godly fruit in your child\u2019s life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But, as a parent, listen to me\u2014we have to give our children a mission \/ we have to point them in the right direction. There\u2019s a reason why they are compared to \u201c\u2026like arrows in the hand of a warrior.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe arrows were meant to be pulled back by an archer and pointed in a direction at an object. As parents, we need to be purposeful \/ intentional about pointing our children in the right mission and in the right direction. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was one other word of warning that came from Jim Eliff that I think is a good word for parents as children come and say, \u201cI\u2019ve given my life to Jesus.\u201d Here was his counsel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019d be careful about false comfort\u2014I sure would. I think that it is better to know the truth, and to pray rightly, and to speak rightly in front of that child\u2014that erring child\u2014than it is to have some kind of euphemism or false hope. The hope only comes in God. God is the One who gives birth to people\u2014brings them into the kingdom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe does use the things that we have laid before them. He might still use them in the future. How many stories have you heard about people remembering the things they learned in childhood, and that sparking something there in their heart, and God working in them from that basis? So there is that kind of hope. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I think\u2014you know, when a person is told that they have cancer, that\u2019s not a very good-sounding phrase; is it?\u2014\u201cYou have cancer.\u201d But it\u2019s an accurate thing\u2014it is better for us to know the accurate thing. Then, we can deal with it and do, perhaps, a better thing with it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The warning there is clear. We don\u2019t want to give our children a false sense of hope or security about their eternal condition if, in fact, their lives don\u2019t reflect what their words say.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And one of the statements I\u2019ve made most often here, in talking about childhood conversions, is the statement by the great English preacher, C. H. Spurgeon: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cA child who knowingly sins can savingly believe.\u201d So don\u2019t underestimate the faith and belief of a young child, who wants to step toward Jesus Christ. It may be the point at which he or she becomes a believer in Christ, but it may be the first of many steps that they take toward Christ in their journey as a child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And look for the evidence, because \u201cHe who began a good work in you is faithful to complete it.\u201d If God has begun a good work in your child, you will see steps in that direction. Again, it may be three steps forward \/ two steps back; but you\u2019ll see movement in that direction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was\u2014in terms of my life, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I mean, you were a teenager\u2014came to faith in Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We have to wobble our way to the finish line; but the trajectory of our lives needs to be on the incline, headed toward becoming the young man \/ young lady that God created you to be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve already talked about the fact that this is an issue for moms and dads\u2014how their children are doing spiritually. Third John, verse 4 says, \u201cI have no greater joy than this, to know that my children are walking in the truth.\u201d That\u2019s true for us, as parents. There is no greater joy than to know that our children are doing well in their walk with Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere, at FamilyLife, over the years, we\u2019ve assembled a number of resources designed to help parents help their kids understand the Bible and grow spiritually. Some of those are resources that we\u2019ve created, here at FamilyLife\u2014things like\u2014well, you\u2019ve mentioned <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> and <em>Passport2Identity<\/em>. Those are available in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut there are also resources like <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em> that Sally Lloyd-Jones wrote or Dr. Bruce Ware\u2019s storybook for kids called <em>Big Truths for Young Hearts. <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd Phil Vischer, who was the co-creator of <em>Veggie Tales<\/em>, has put together a whole line of Bible-related videos called <em>What\u2019s in the Bible? <\/em>that a lot of parents have been using to help their kids understand the whole scope of Scripture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can go to our website at FamilyLifeToday.com to see the variety of resources that are available. I would encourage you, as a parent or a grandparent, just go and pick something out that you can begin using with your child. Find something that is age-appropriate \/ find something that you think will work for your family. Make a selection and start using one of these resources to maybe recalibrate things a little bit and to make the spiritual issues of life more central to the things you talk about in your home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com. If you have any questions about the resources available, or if you\u2019d like to order by phone, call 1-800-FL-TODAY and someone on our team can answer any questions you have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, let me say a quick word of thanks to those of you who have helped make today\u2019s program possible. In fact, you\u2019ve helped make the last 25 years possible\u2014those of you who are regular contributors to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014Legacy Partners, who give each month to support this ministry. 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Or you can mail a donation to us at <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow tomorrow, we\u2019re going to continue to talk about this issue of the spiritual formation of our children. We want to talk specifically about those kids who may be faking it, because there are kids who are following the rules\u2014you know, like the older brother in the story of the prodigal son? But there\u2019s not real spiritual life there. We\u2019ll talk more about that tomorrow. I hope you can tune in for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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You know, we did a survey of listeners\u2014this was many years ago\u2014where we asked: \u201cWhat are the parenting issues that you would most like to have us address on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>?\u201d And I remember thinking, before the survey went out, \u201cI bet the answer\u2019s going to be discipline.\u201d That\u2019s what I thought would come in first.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And, frankly, I would have thought it might have been character issues\u2014you know, the book of Proverbs--helping your children make wise choices\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and not foolish ones.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Obedience would be in there somewhere; but the survey came back\u2014you remember what it showed?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It showed that the spiritual development of your children is the number one thing that parents wanted help with. I guess I was a little surprised; and then I thought, \u201cWell, that\u2019s the number one priority that we\u2019ve got at our house\u2014is how our kids are doing, walking with the Lord.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s kind of what I thought, too, Bob. I thought, \u201cYou know, it\u2019s a big idea.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And it\u2019s such a big idea that I think most parents don\u2019t feel <em>equipped<\/em> to be able to do that in an effective way. If you remember, in Deuteronomy 6, when God was commanding Israel to shape a new nation, He <em>commanded<\/em> them to teach their children diligently\u2014as they lie down, rose up, walked by the way\u2014but to teach the precepts and truth of God\u2019s Word to their children. The reason God did that is\u2014He <em>knows<\/em> that a country \/ a nation can\u2019t survive if it doesn\u2019t have a generational relay race. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob, it\u2019s been our privilege, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>,to be a part of exhorting, imploring, challenging, and encouraging parents to make a good hand-off to the next generation, now for 25 years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; this year, we will be celebrating our 25<sup>th<\/sup> birthday\u2014that comes up later this year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a part of the birthday celebration, we thought it would be fun to take a theme, like the theme of your child\u2019s spiritual development, and go back through the years and hear some of the voices \/ some of the people, who have been guests with us\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The best of the best!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014to hear how these folks addressed these issues. For example, I had the opportunity\u2014this was in front of an audience\u2014I was talking to Voddie Baucham. Voddie, as many of our listeners know, was a pastor in Houston. He now is living with his family in Africa, where he heads a seminary in Zambia, Africa. I asked Voddie, because he had been talking about the need to teach your kids the gospel. He said that it is more than just teaching them how to pray a prayer to ask Jesus into their heart\u2014teaching them the gospel from the time they\u2019re little. So I thought, \u201cOkay; I\u2019ve got a question for you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow do I preach the gospel to a three-year-old?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Voddie:<\/strong> Oh! It\u2019s great! Your three-year-old does something\u2014your three-year-old lies\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014now, my three year-old has lied! \u201cDo you understand that you lied?\u201d \u201cYes; I understand that I lied.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHopefully, my three-year-old will know something about the Ten Commandments\u2014he knows that God says that you\u2019re not to lie \/ he knows about the warnings that we have in the Scriptures about lying. Then, I have two choices. I could tell him, \u201cOkay; now, don\u2019t lie anymore. Go tell the truth,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s works-based righteousness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Instead<\/em>, say, \u201cDo you know <em>why<\/em> you lied?\u201d Now, we get to his heart \/ now, we get to his <em>sin<\/em>. When I let him know that he\u2019s lying, because of his heart and because of his sin, I remind him, once again, that that\u2019s just another indication that what he needs is for Jesus to save him from his sin. See, now, I\u2019m not moving toward works righteousness\u2014I\u2019m moving toward the gospel. With a three-year-old, that\u2019s all day, every day, that you have an opportunity to do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And when you say, \u201cSave him from his sin,\u201d you\u2019re not just talking about saving him from hell\u2014you\u2019re talking about: \u201cForgive him for what he\u2019s done, but also transform him into the kind of young person who doesn\u2019t tell lies anymore\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Voddie:<\/strong> Absolutely!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cor who doesn\u2019t want to tell lies anymore.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Voddie:<\/strong> Absolutely!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And, Bob, the thing I like about what Voddie said is\u2014he\u2019s addressing the issue of the heart and calling a child back to the Savior. That\u2019s who he needs to reckon with on a daily basis: \u201cWill I surrender to Jesus Christ and let Him live His life in and through me and love other people and do the right thing?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> To go past the behavior and ask the \u201cWhy\u201d question, I think, is significant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And the thing I like about it is\u2014it really reflects all the way back upon Deuteronomy 6, where God was saying to you, \u201c\u2026as you walk by the way,\u201d\u2014as your child lies \/ as your child is mean to another child\u2014you use those moments as opportunities to help your child begin to rightly evaluate who he or she is, and fall into right standing with God, and walk with Him and be obedient to Him, going forward.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We had the opportunity to talk to Dr. Bruce Ware, who is a professor of systematic theology at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And you know what? Parents are listening to us, right now, and going, \u201cNow, what do you mean?\u2014systematic theology for a child?\u201d Let me tell you something\u2014you can teach <em>anything<\/em> to a child before they go to bed \/ they will do anything to <em>escape<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014to stay awake! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They will talk! You can get down on your knees, next to their bed, and have these discussions. So, Bob, you can actually teach systematic theology to your children! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s what he was saying\u2014he was saying, you know, when you\u2019re walking with them by the way \/ when you\u2019re on the way to school, when you\u2019re at the breakfast table\u2014all of those are good times to be sharing biblical truth with your sons and daughters. He said there is one time of day when they are fully engaged.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019ve dedicated this book to your daughters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How did you introduce the awesomeness, or the greatness, of God to them when they were little?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes; well, I\u2019ll tell you how this happened\u2014actually, this book grew out of what Jodi and I did with our girls, growing up. I can remember when Bethany and Rachel were, oh, probably six and three years old\u2014you know, squirrely, wiggly, happy little girls, who didn\u2019t want to go to bed at night, you know? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; we used this technique as well! They\u2019ll use <em>anything<\/em>! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Anything!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They\u2019ll even talk about God to stay awake!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> So I thought, \u201cIf we can\u2019t win this battle, let\u2019s co-opt it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> \u2014and take advantage of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Absolutely!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> So, I started meeting with each of the girls, at their bedside, after they got in their pajamas and got in bed. I would get down on my knees, and we would have Theology 101. For <em>years<\/em>, I did this and went through the whole of what I teach at the seminary. I would just introduce a verse and an idea \/ a truth. I would expose them to it, and then we would talk about it; and they\u2019d ask questions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I think the main goal you have, whether they\u2019re little or older, is to enable them, by God\u2019s grace and through the revelation of His Word, to catch a <em>vision<\/em> of the greatness of God. We live in a culture where many other things are great. I mean, we use the word, \u201cawesome,\u201d for example, for almost everything\u2014maybe even a hamburger, you know? We\u2019ve lost the sense of the <em>awe<\/em>-someness of <em>One\u2014<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> \u2014of One and only <em>One<\/em>, of whom there is <em>no equal<\/em>\u2014and that is our Creator \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod \/ our Redeemer God. So helping children grow in a way, where they realize how <em>great<\/em> God really is; and how independent He is of this world; and how privileged it is for <em>me<\/em>, a finite, feeble human being to know Him through Christ\u2014what He has done to make Himself known and draw me to Himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want all of the parents and grandparents to listen up! Your assignment \/ your privilege\u2014you get the holy duty of being able to introduce your child to the awesome God of the universe and to use bedtime to make the introduction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Somebody else, who had helpful teaching techniques for us, is the author of <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>, which I know a lot of our listeners have used at bedtime or at dinnertime.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Excellent! It\u2019s really good\u2014really good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sally Lloyd-Jones is a delightful author and was a delightful guest on <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em> We talked to her about how she engages with young people \/ children around spiritual subjects.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I don\u2019t presume to tell parents, or teachers, or anyone what they should be doing; but when I\u2019m with children, what I want to, first of all, do is have a sense of fun with them\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014you know, make them comfortable \/ be on their level and talk to them. They\u2019re people\u2014they\u2019re just smaller! Talking to them as someone\u2014like you would talk to a friend\u2014not sort of so you\u2019re teaching them something all of the time, but having a conversation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other thing I\u2019ve found helpful is asking \u201cI wonder\u2026\u201d questions. You know, sometimes, I\u2019ll be going around speaking about <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>, and I tell the story on myself that\u2014it\u2019s very easy to read a story, and then, at the end of a story, go, \u201cWell, what that really means is this.\u201d Then you kill the story with some lesson that you\u2019ve made up. Instead of doing that, just say\u2014like with the boy and his lunch\u2014it\u2019s so easy \/ the easiest thing to do\u2014and I\u2019ve done it\u2014is to say, \u201cNow what does this story teach us about how we should behave?\u201d But that\u2019s not why the story\u2019s there. The story\u2019s there because Jesus did something <em>incredible<\/em> with what the little boy gave Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo what I\u2019ve found more helpful is\u2014to say \/ to wonder with the child so that you\u2019re on their level\u2014you\u2019re not the teacher telling them. There\u2019s a place for the teacher\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but, as a parent, to sit with the child and be: \u201cWell, I wonder what would happen if we gave God what we had? What would happen if <em>you<\/em> gave Him everything you had? What might He do with you?\u201d Just open it up to the child so that the child\u2014their imagination takes it from there, and God works from there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You hear Sally Lloyd-Jones talking about that and you think, \u201cI can do that, as a parent!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You can ask an \u201cI wonder\u2026\u201d question; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; and it\u2019s the key to unlocking a child\u2019s heart\u2014let the child imagine and answer the question.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, one of the things that we, as parents, need to use more frequently with our children\u2014I think is just humor \/ it is fun\u2014it\u2019s having fun with them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYesterday, Bob, I was hosting a family for lunch, here at FamilyLife. They had four children. I thought, \u201cThese children are going to think I am the oldest fuddy-duddy grandpa in the world.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI knew that a couple of them had already been through <em>Passport2Purity<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and they were getting ready to go through <em>Passport2Identity<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup>. I thought, \u201cYou know, I want to kind of set them up to look forward to going through some of the teachings of <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> and <em>Passport2Identity<\/em> that will help them, as young adults, begin to hammer out their own spiritual walk with God.\u201d I spent most of the lunch just having fun with those kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe thing is, Bob\u2014if you\u2019re having fun with your kids, then the opportunity to teach, I think, presents itself more frequently.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I think the children are ready to listen if they sense you\u2019re a mom and a dad, who know how to have a good time with them, but also a mom and a dad who are on a mission, wanting to introduce their kids to Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> One of the hardest things that parents deal with is when a young child expresses some kind of a spiritual interest.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen a child comes, at age three or four and says, \u201cI want to ask Jesus into my heart,\u201d or \u201cI want to be a Christian,\u201d you may sit down with that child and talk with them about sin, about the gospel, about Jesus\u2019 death and resurrection. You wonder how much they really understand. You pray a prayer with the child, and then, you think to yourself: \u201cDid anything really happen there? Did they really\u2026? Are they converted now?\u201d I remember we wrestled with this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had a guest\u2014this was back the first few years that <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>was on the air\u2014we had a guest\u2014our friend, Jim Elliff, who had written a book about children coming to faith in Christ. We put that question to him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> In Chapter 15 of the Book of Romans, it says, \u201cWhatever things were written before were written for our learning that we, through perseverance and comfort of the Scripture, might have hope.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, hope means the confidence that the future\u2019s going to work out alright. How am I going to have hope?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> He says it\u2019s through two means\u2014one\u2019s the \u201ccomfort of the Scripture.\u201d We can look at that verse in John 6:47: \u201cHe who believes has everlasting life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> I can get some comfort from that\u2014assurance and help from that\u2014that\u2019s one place we look. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the other side is to look at perseverance\u2014that\u2019s the work of God as well\u2014because he goes on to say, \u201cNow God who gives perseverance and comfort\u2026\u201d in the next verse. So He gives it, but we look at the evidence of God at work in our lives to know if that faith that we claim to have is a <em>real<\/em> saving faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So if your child comes home from a children\u2019s meeting and says to you: \u201cDad, let me tell you what I just did. I became a Christian today. I prayed a prayer to receive Christ as my Lord and Savior,\u201d what do you do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019m positive \/ I\u2019m encouraging. How do I know\u2014that he might have come to Christ today!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> So I\u2019d say something like this to him: \u201cI\u2019m thrilled that you appear to be repenting and trusting in Christ!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, I prefer those terms rather than to \u201cinviting Jesus into the life,\u201d which I don\u2019t really find in the Scripture. Let\u2019s go back to the Bible\u2019s terms: \u201crepenting and trusting in Christ.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> \u201cI\u2019m thrilled that you\u2019re repenting and trusting in Christ! More than anything, we want to <em>know<\/em> if God has really changed your heart. The way we\u2019ll know is if you continue repenting of sin and trusting in Christ\u2014and if you act like a true Christian\u2014that is, you have a new heart that <em>loves<\/em> to obey God. Sometimes, we don\u2019t know that until we\u2019re in a place where it really <em>costs<\/em> us to be a Christian. We\u2019ll just see what God does.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, as far as I can tell in the Scripture, we\u2019re never told to discern whether we\u2019re a Christian\u2014not by going back to a decision\u2014we look at our lives right now!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Fruit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> We look at fruit. We look to see: \u201cIs this, that we call life, really demonstrating itself? Is there <em>spiritual<\/em> life in me?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What Jim Elliff was talking about here is how you walk through the process of introducing repentance, faith, and salvation to your children. It\u2019s not a one-and-done deal. I think it\u2019s done over and over and over again\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014in terms of introducing them to what\u2019s at stake here: \u201cWell, you\u2019ve broken God\u2019s laws \/ you\u2019re a sinner. Practically speaking, that means you\u2019ve missed the mark. The mark is perfection. We\u2019re all broken \/ we all need salvation.\u201d You just repeatedly talk about this in a practical way\u2014not to shame the child or to put the child down\u2014but just to talk about: \u201cThis is what God is up to! He wants to redeem you, make you a new person, and use you for the rest of your life on a mission by you being an ambassador and taking this news to other people.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, I just had a friend, who said that they had a buddy, who they went to school with who, years later\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014like a decade later\u2014after graduating from high school \/ after college, came back and said to the Christian friend\u2014said, \u201cYour example of representing Christ to me, and inviting me to go to church, and inviting me to go to outreaches that had been hosted for young people\u2014I just want you to know it didn\u2019t mean that much then, but it means a lot now.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So you\u2019re training your kids to know how to relate to their friends, who don\u2019t know Christ as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And if God is really real in their lives\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014they\u2019ll do that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014if they prayed with sincerity, and if they are sincerely believing the gospel, God will begin that transforming work. They won\u2019t be perfect the next day, but you can begin to see godly fruit in your child\u2019s life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But, as a parent, listen to me\u2014we have to give our children a mission \/ we have to point them in the right direction. There\u2019s a reason why they are compared to \u201c\u2026like arrows in the hand of a warrior.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe arrows were meant to be pulled back by an archer and pointed in a direction at an object. As parents, we need to be purposeful \/ intentional about pointing our children in the right mission and in the right direction. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was one other word of warning that came from Jim Eliff that I think is a good word for parents as children come and say, \u201cI\u2019ve given my life to Jesus.\u201d Here was his counsel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previous Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019d be careful about false comfort\u2014I sure would. I think that it is better to know the truth, and to pray rightly, and to speak rightly in front of that child\u2014that erring child\u2014than it is to have some kind of euphemism or false hope. The hope only comes in God. God is the One who gives birth to people\u2014brings them into the kingdom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe does use the things that we have laid before them. He might still use them in the future. How many stories have you heard about people remembering the things they learned in childhood, and that sparking something there in their heart, and God working in them from that basis? So there is that kind of hope. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I think\u2014you know, when a person is told that they have cancer, that\u2019s not a very good-sounding phrase; is it?\u2014\u201cYou have cancer.\u201d But it\u2019s an accurate thing\u2014it is better for us to know the accurate thing. Then, we can deal with it and do, perhaps, a better thing with it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The warning there is clear. We don\u2019t want to give our children a false sense of hope or security about their eternal condition if, in fact, their lives don\u2019t reflect what their words say.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And one of the statements I\u2019ve made most often here, in talking about childhood conversions, is the statement by the great English preacher, C. H. Spurgeon: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cA child who knowingly sins can savingly believe.\u201d So don\u2019t underestimate the faith and belief of a young child, who wants to step toward Jesus Christ. It may be the point at which he or she becomes a believer in Christ, but it may be the first of many steps that they take toward Christ in their journey as a child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And look for the evidence, because \u201cHe who began a good work in you is faithful to complete it.\u201d If God has begun a good work in your child, you will see steps in that direction. Again, it may be three steps forward \/ two steps back; but you\u2019ll see movement in that direction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was\u2014in terms of my life, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I mean, you were a teenager\u2014came to faith in Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We have to wobble our way to the finish line; but the trajectory of our lives needs to be on the incline, headed toward becoming the young man \/ young lady that God created you to be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve already talked about the fact that this is an issue for moms and dads\u2014how their children are doing spiritually. Third John, verse 4 says, \u201cI have no greater joy than this, to know that my children are walking in the truth.\u201d That\u2019s true for us, as parents. There is no greater joy than to know that our children are doing well in their walk with Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere, at FamilyLife, over the years, we\u2019ve assembled a number of resources designed to help parents help their kids understand the Bible and grow spiritually. Some of those are resources that we\u2019ve created, here at FamilyLife\u2014things like\u2014well, you\u2019ve mentioned <em>Passport2Purity<\/em> and <em>Passport2Identity<\/em>. Those are available in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut there are also resources like <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em> that Sally Lloyd-Jones wrote or Dr. Bruce Ware\u2019s storybook for kids called <em>Big Truths for Young Hearts. <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd Phil Vischer, who was the co-creator of <em>Veggie Tales<\/em>, has put together a whole line of Bible-related videos called <em>What\u2019s in the Bible? <\/em>that a lot of parents have been using to help their kids understand the whole scope of Scripture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can go to our website at FamilyLifeToday.com to see the variety of resources that are available. I would encourage you, as a parent or a grandparent, just go and pick something out that you can begin using with your child. Find something that is age-appropriate \/ find something that you think will work for your family. Make a selection and start using one of these resources to maybe recalibrate things a little bit and to make the spiritual issues of life more central to the things you talk about in your home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com. If you have any questions about the resources available, or if you\u2019d like to order by phone, call 1-800-FL-TODAY and someone on our team can answer any questions you have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, let me say a quick word of thanks to those of you who have helped make today\u2019s program possible. In fact, you\u2019ve helped make the last 25 years possible\u2014those of you who are regular contributors to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014Legacy Partners, who give each month to support this ministry. 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