{"id":304262,"date":"2016-11-22T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2016-11-22T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/a-call-to-adoption\/"},"modified":"2016-11-22T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2016-11-22T17:00:00","slug":"a-call-to-adoption","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-call-to-adoption\/","title":{"rendered":"A Call to Adoption"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>They had two children, but were open to more. Mike and Hayley Jones tell of their radical decision to adopt eight siblings from an orphanage in Sierra Leone, no matter what the cost.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-11-22.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"22.52M","filesize_raw":"23617538","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2818],"tags":[6129,6136,5253],"podcast_series":[8177],"cwp_profile":[9435],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-304262","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-adoption-and-orphans","tag-adopt","tag-adopt-siblings","tag-forever-family","podcast_series-at-any-cost","cwp_profile-mike-and-hayley-jones","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/304262\/a-call-to-adoption","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/304262\/a-call-to-adoption","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"P4Co50n7Bd\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-call-to-adoption\/\">A Call to Adoption<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-call-to-adoption\/embed\/#?secret=P4Co50n7Bd\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;A Call to Adoption&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"P4Co50n7Bd\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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When God told them to adopt eight children from the same family, Mike Jones said, \u201cNo\u201d; but God wouldn\u2019t let go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I mean, I just couldn\u2019t go on anymore\u2014so I was praying. I was like, \u201cIt\u2019s time to get serious about it.\u201d Somehow, I decided I would get down on the side of the bed and get on my knees. Well, somehow, I turned from the knees to face down on the floor in front of the wall. I was just praying and begging to God that \u201cI can\u2019t do the eight.\u201d I was just sobbing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>I will say\u2014I have never seen this man cry\u2014in all our marriage troubles \/ everything\u2014even at the birth of our children. I have not seen him cry until it came to these kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, November 22<sup>nd<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey. I'm Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you find yourself in a wrestling match with God, guess who usually wins. We\u2019ll hear more from Mike and Hayley Jones today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I love this picture. Don\u2019t you love this picture?\u2014the picture on the front of the book?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It really is cool.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s just a great picture of\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s what heaven\u2019s going to be like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s a family of \u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s multicolored.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014<em>ten<\/em> siblings.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There\u2019s a baby missing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There is a baby missing from this picture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We got bad bio\u2014we got bad bio information from the guests. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The picture got taken before the baby arrived.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We have with us Mike and Hayley Jones, who are the proud parents of\u2014now, how old of a baby?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Five months old.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Five months old, which makes 11.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong><em>Eleven<\/em>; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Ten boys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Ten boys \/ one girl. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Ten boys \/ one girl. That\u2019s a sorority\u2014no; that\u2019s a\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s a fraternity\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s a <em>minority<\/em> in a sorority\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>There you go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014no; it\u2019s a minority in a fraternity. There we go! That ought to be one well-protected little girl; don\u2019t you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>She is\u2014she\u2019s tough.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>She\u2019ll hold her own. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; she\u2019ll\u2014yes; that\u2019s for sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, Mike and Hayley live in Franklin, Tennessee. They have written a book called <em>At Any Cost: Overcoming Every Obstacle to Bring Our Children Home<\/em>. This is a tremendous story of redemption.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, Hayley, when you were a young lady, growing up, and prior to your marriage, you dreamed of perhaps being a missionary to the continent of Africa.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And Mike, you had the thought, as a single man, that you might like to adopt one boy\u2014not a bunch. So you both had adoption\u2014or some form of wanting to reach out to a foreign country\u2014in mind. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDo you remember when this subject of adoption and orphans came up as a point of discussion between you two? Was it after you had your biological kids?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>No; it was when we were dating.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh really!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So what did you say?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>I was\u2014yes; he wanted to adopt\u2014\u201cYes; I think that sounds like a wonderful idea.\u201d \u201cI would like to do missions,\u201d\u2014he said he doesn\u2019t feel called to that. You know, once we got married, God\u2019s not going to call us into completely different directions. He said: \u201cI really don\u2019t feel that calling yet,\u201d\u2014I don\u2019t know if he ever will. I would still go\u2014I would go to Sierra Leone today, but that\u2019s just not where we are \/ it\u2019s not where I\u2019m supposed to be right now. So we kind of knew that about each other, yes, from the very beginning.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You were a teacher when you guys got married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You had a student in your class from Sierra Leone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>I did\u2014a little girl that was adopted from Sierra Leone. I was a kindergarten teacher. She had just recently come home when she had entered my classroom. I just got to <em>see<\/em> the family work through that, and I became friends with the mom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI told her\u2014I said, \u201cWe want to adopt one day.\u201d She said: \u201cWell, whenever you\u2019re ready, give me a call and let me know. I\u2019ll walk you through it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And the \u201cwe want to adopt one day\u201d\u2014you had conversations about this, but you never put anything really formally in motion; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>No. We had a lot of trouble with the birth of our oldest biological son. After that, we started looking into it. There weren\u2019t many options open\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>\u2014in Africa at that time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>\u2014in Africa at that time. You know, that\u2019s where God had always laid it upon my heart. I think the countries open at the time were Ethiopia. Our church had recently started a mission partnership in South Africa. We were just looking to see where God was leading us to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So Mike, you give leadership to a water department in Franklin, Tennessee.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Yes; I do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know what a municipal water department pays, but I can\u2019t believe they pay at a level that allows you to adopt from a country out of Africa. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow did that subject of financial resources enter into your discussion?\u2014because I think this is where a lot of it gets shut down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, you didn\u2019t start off, thinking, \u201cWe\u2019re going to go adopt eight kids.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You started off thinking you were going to go adopt one child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>But even one child, Bob\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014can be expensive; that\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It can be expensive. That\u2019s where the discussion for a lot of couples stops.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>It was God laying upon our hearts to think bigger and do more. And <em>more<\/em> was kind of the theme we had through the whole process.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Before we got to that, it was I had this little girl in my class. Her mom said, \u201cContact me when you\u2019re ready to adopt, and I\u2019ll talk you through it.\u201d Well, about six\/seven years had passed. We had our oldest biological son and, actually, ended up having a second biological son. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI started thinking about the little girl that I had in my class and her mom. It was just really pressed upon my heart to call her\u2014I had kept her number all these years. Well, I go to call it; and of course, it\u2019s not her number anymore. I knew kind of the area where she lived, but I didn\u2019t have an address. I had <em>no<\/em> idea how to get a hold of her. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWithin a <em>week<\/em>\u2014we get a random free community paper, and I open it up\u2014and there is their family. They have opened an orphan care center in Sierra Leone. I called her; within the next week, she\u2019s at my kitchen table. We\u2019re talking\u2014I tell her, \u201cWe are interested in adopting.\u201d I said: \u201cI just really want to hear about what you\u2019re doing in Sierra Leone. What is your organization doing?\u201d She talked to me about it; and when she left that day, I knew then that Sierra Leone was the <em>place<\/em> and just what we were supposed to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Now, had you, at this point, started to count the cost?\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014because isn\u2019t it $20\/25,000 dollars to adopt?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>This was an independent adoption. This orphan care center that she opened up was not through an adoption agency. This was just a completely independent adoption\u2014that was the <em>only<\/em> way that we could afford it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So that brings the cost down?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>We still had to have the home study for the state of Tennessee, and then, you go through everything with the U.S. government side; but it wasn\u2019t going through an agency.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>And your attorneys there, and your attorneys here, and you\u2019re plane costs and things like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You were both pretty excited about this possibility\u2014about adopting a child from Sierra Leone. You were just following the path that God had laid out for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I have to stop this again. I\u2019ve only done this one other time, Bob, in the history of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is \u201cPut your hand on the Bible,\u201d again?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It is! I want to ask Mike to put his hand on the Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do you question his veracity in general? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; I\u2019m wondering about this\u2014you\u2019re going to give him a complex!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I want to make sure it\u2019s the truth here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to ask you\u2014you are the manager \/ the leader of a municipal water supply. Did you turn the pressure on a little higher, when you started talking about adoption, so you might get a bonus or something out of this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>No; I just wasn\u2019t going to go against what God told me to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I knew that\u2019s what he\u2019d say. [Laughter] I didn\u2019t need to have his hand on the Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What was the next step in the journey for you guys?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Our next step is\u2014we met with the lady from the orphanage. She lived here in our town in Tennessee. We met with her, and she was sharing with us the children that she had at the center that she thought would go well into our family; because that\u2019s, you know, important. We had two sons, and we want to make a smooth transition.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt the time, God kept telling us to do more\u2014just that word, \u201cmore,\u201d was really pressed upon our hearts\u2014but we didn\u2019t really know exactly what that looked like. We said: \u201cYou know what? We could do a sibling group,\u201d because there are a lot of sibling groups. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere aren\u2019t that many single children there; so we were thinking, \u201cTwo.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Let me stop you there. Why are there sibling groups?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>People just have <em>large<\/em> families. People get married, a lot of times, before they\u2019re even a teenager there; and then they just start having babies. It is a third-world country. I mean, the last statistic that I heard was one in three children do not even make it to the age of five. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I was wondering, as you said about the sibling groups, about HIV, AIDS\u2014if that wasn\u2019t wiping out some adults and leaving some children without a family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>AIDS is <em>not<\/em> very prevalent in that part of Africa. There are a few cases that I know of, but not even at the orphanage where the children were.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, you went in your thinking from, \u201cWe\u2019re going to adopt a child,\u201d to \u201cGod\u2019s pressing the word, \u2018more,\u2019 on our hearts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>And that means \u201ctwo,\u201d because two is more than one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cWe\u2019ll have two. We\u2019ll get a sibling group\u2014we\u2019ll get a brother and a sister \/ maybe a couple of brothers\u2014whatever. We\u2019ll just see.\u201d Now your heart\u2019s open to that. What was the next step?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Well, we met with the lady again. She had joked on the phone with us about a sibling group of four. I was just kind of: \u201cWhoa! What?\u201d But she wasn\u2019t serious; she just\u2014Hayley had told her that we were thinking about \/ God was calling us to do more\u2014and we didn\u2019t know if more was two, or three, or four.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Because nobody adopts four children at one time\u2014that\u2019s silly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; that would triple your family. You move from two to six\u2014boom!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>So that was: \u201cNo way!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>When we met with her that day, she never even mentioned the four\u2014didn\u2019t show us pictures of them or anything\u2014but as she was getting near the end of the meeting we had with her, I said, \u201cWell, what is this over here on the side?\u201d She said, \u201cWell, that\u2019s a sibling group of six we have and a sibling group of eight.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was like I got hit in the head with a hammer when she said the eight. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI knew, right then, that the eight was what we were supposed to do. I didn\u2019t say a word. All I could say\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; I wouldn\u2019t say a word if I got hit in the head with that either. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I was already\u2014I was already like, \u201cLet\u2019s get out of here.\u201d I don\u2019t remember the rest of the meeting at all\u2014it might have been two minutes \/ it might have been another 45 minutes\u2014I don\u2019t know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Why did you want to get out of there?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Because\u2014who, in their right mind, adopts eight children?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You had no idea, Hayley, that this thought had even dawned on him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>No; I had no idea. We left there\u2014about a week or two went by\u2014and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>And I\u2019ll say\u2014the wheels on the car were not going as fast as the wheels in my head were. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Had you already started negotiating with God?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Oh, dickering, and bargaining, and everything else\u2014but I didn\u2019t say a word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Who was winning?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>He wasn\u2019t answering!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Let me show you the picture on the front of the book. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes. [Laughter] I knew, in that next week or two, that something was just <em>eating<\/em> him up. I mean, he was just\u2014he was so <em>bothered<\/em>, but he didn\u2019t say a word to me about this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He didn\u2019t tell you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is the guy who wants to talk everything out!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>On the way home, I told her\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; here\u2019s what he said.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>On the way home, I told her\u2014I said: \u201cYou know, she didn\u2019t mention anything about the four. Don\u2019t bother her now; but on Monday, shoot her an email and ask her to send us some pictures so we could, at least, talk and look at the group of four that she\u2019d told us about before.\u201d That was my, already, trying to negotiate and bargain. I kind of left it at that, waiting for the group of four. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut for the next two weeks, I was just miserable and eaten up. I tried to make the appearance, at work, that everything was fine and dandy and just deal with business while I was there; but it was a lot of prayer and talking, back and forth, to God. It was just, \u201cHow am I supposed to do this?\u201d I didn\u2019t think I could do four; but \u201cSure; I\u2019ll sign up for the four over the eight any day.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>I <em>knew<\/em> something was bothering him; but I thought: \u201cWhen <em>he\u2019s<\/em> ready, he\u2019ll communicate it with me. I don\u2019t want to go bug him about it. I\u2019ll just let him share it with me.\u201d It was a Sunday night, and he shared. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So take me to that conversation. Where did it happen and what happened?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Well, Hayley had gone to get in the shower. We\u2019d already put the other boys to bed. It was after nine o\u2019 clock or so; but while she was in the shower, I would usually\u2014that was pretty much my bedtime too\u2014I get up early in the mornings. I was praying, and I was just miserable. That previous Sunday, I had gotten up and walked out of church just because I\u2014I had to walk the halls, and I was trying not to look like a crazy person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat Sunday night, I was praying. I was like, \u201cIt\u2019s time to get serious about it,\u201d\u2014I just couldn\u2019t go on anymore. Somehow, I decided I would get down on the side of the bed and get on my knees. Well, somehow, I turned from the knees to face down on the floor, in front of the wall. She was, like I said, in the shower. I was just praying and begging to God that \u201cI can\u2019t do the eight, but I\u2019ll do the four. I\u2019ll do whatever You want; but I\u2019ll do the four, but I can\u2019t do the eight.\u201d He just clearly said that \u201cI can feed twice as many, and the eight is what you must do.\u201d That was it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was back in the room. I felt just fine\u2014got up, and it was just normal to me. I mean, I accepted it \/ I didn\u2019t ever question it\u2014that is what I had to do. God clearly told me what I was to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo when she got out of the shower and came to the bedroom, I said, \u201cI have to talk to you.\u201d That\u2019s when I told her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>He looked at me and he told me: \u201cI was just praying \/ I was praying,\u201d and he said, \u201cGod just told me that I had to adopt these eight children.\u201d I just kind of sat there a second; and I said, \u201cWell, okay; I mean, if that\u2019s what He just said.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wait, wait, wait. Like that? Like, \u201cOkay\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There was not a, \u201cWell, when God comes and tells me, \u2018eight,\u2019 then we\u2019ll be on the same page with this\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>No; because I\u2019d <em>never<\/em> seen him broken like that \/ I\u2019d never seen him upset. I <em>knew<\/em> it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd, in the meantime, this was going on\u2014where he was struggling\u2014after we left the meeting that day, I went home and kept getting out my computer and looking at the information that the lady from the orphanage had sent us about the kids and their pictures. I got this like sick feeling in the pit of my stomach\u2014kind of that: \u201cWhat gives me the right to pick a child? How do I pick you\u2014that you get a mommy and daddy\u2014but you don\u2019t?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said, \u201cGod, if You want me to adopt a child, then You\u2019re going to have to show me which one.\u201d I closed the computer, and I didn\u2019t look at it again. And that was that week\u2014so when he said that, I said: \u201cWell, this is it. God has answered the prayer. I mean, He did exactly what I asked Him to do.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, I understand, in the moment, going, \u201cOkay; this is what God\u2019s called me to\u201d; but the next morning, it is like: \u201cNow, wait. What did I say last night?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly it! It was like we were on top of the world\u2014we knew <em>exactly<\/em> what we had to do: \u201cThis is it!\u201d And then we went to sleep, and then I woke up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And you think, \u201cI have two kids now\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, you had signed anything at that point.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It was just you two and God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>It was God, but it was fearful. At the beginning, the fear was, \u201cHow do you tell people that?\u201d First of all, it\u2019s <em>us<\/em>\u2014we don\u2019t have a lot of money, we don\u2019t have a big house, we don\u2019t have a lot of money\u2014I mean, we could keep reiterating that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019ve said that, now, twice. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes. So\u2014and we don\u2019t have a lot of money. It was: \u201cWhat\u2019s everybody going to think? I mean: \u2018How? How do we do this? We can\u2019t answer that question.\u2019\u201d We couldn\u2019t answer that question when people would say: \u201cWell, how are you going to do it? How will you afford it?\u201d \u201cWe don\u2019t know.\u201d So our answer is always: \u201cWe don\u2019t know, but we know God\u2019s called us to this. We\u2019ll just have to see how He provides.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Okay; so you now have some evidence of how God provides. Share with us <em>one<\/em> choice story\u2014out of everything that happened\u2014was just God\u2019s signature that He showed up and He wrote it down in the process of you adopting those eight.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>I think of the freezer story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Yes; the freezer story\u2019s an easy one, but also it would be\u2014if she was going on a trip over there\u2014she might go with a mission team\u2014and it was literally we burned up a coin machine, trying to roll pennies and quarters and everything else to try to pay for the\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; we collected change from people just to roll so we could have money.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>But I mean, if it was a deadline of Sunday night at midnight, or whatever\u2014you have to have your fees paid to go on this trip so she could go over there and try to get some more done on the adoption process\u2014I mean, at the eleventh hour, somebody would bring out the money. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was another time, where somebody was giving us the beef \/ the cow, and our freezer had gone out. I was grateful for the meat; but \u201cWhat am I supposed to do with it?\u201d Somebody called me that following Monday\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>We had never said anything to anyone about the freezer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Never said anything to anybody about the freezer. Some lady called me from an appliance store in Nashville and was like, \u201cSomebody came in and bought a freezer for you.\u201d She said, \u201cAll I need to know is where you want me to deliver it and which one you want.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I was like: \u201cExcuse me? Do what?\u201d And this just happened on Sunday\u2014that the thing had gone out. So\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Next day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>The next day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And then you said, \u201cWe\u2019ll take the big one.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>That\u2019s what I said\u2014I said, \u201cWhat\u2019s the largest one you have?\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We kind of brushed on by this, and we can\u2019t get into the details now about it, but how long\u2014how many trips did it take for this to ultimately bring back a small African nation to Franklin, Tennessee?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Well, it turned out it was a lot more difficult than what we ever thought. We thought: \u201cWhen God calls you to do something, it\u2019s going to be easy. We\u2019ll get there, and it\u2019s going to be smooth sailing.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cand the gates of heaven are going to open up, and you\u2019re going to walk right through them.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; it took three years. I lived over there, in Sierra Leone, for months at a time. I would be months there \/ months here in the States\u2014months there \/ months in the States. I had to leave my two biological children here to go over there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was torturous\u2014we weren\u2019t getting anywhere. Adoptions were closed. They said we would never leave \/ we could never get the kids out\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Never get all eight of them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>\u201cIt\u2019s a pipe dream. Pick two kids; forget about the rest\u2026\u201d Up until the day before they came home, I was still being told, \u201cNo,\u201d\u2014that my children would not be leaving. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Three years in the process.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Three years in the process, just a rollercoaster ride. Again, since we didn\u2019t have the money to adopt, we had to fundraise. We just have a one-story ranch house; but we had a basement, and it was unfinished. We had to finish the basement. Sunday school classes helped us, and they raised money. We\u2019re like Noah building the ark \/ we\u2019re preparing for this, and we don\u2019t have anything to show for it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Because God told us they were going to come.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>God told us they were going to come, and He never told us anything different. In the three years, a lot of people started doubting \/ people started wondering. People started saying: \u201cYou know, I don\u2019t think it\u2019s really going to happen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cMaybe you were just called to say, \u2018Yes,\u2019 but He doesn\u2019t actually expect you to go through with it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMike is the one that said\u2014one day, he looked at me; and he said, \u201cGod hasn\u2019t told me anything different; so we\u2019re going to keep going.\u201d And we did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Hebrews, Chapter 11, verse 6: \u201cAnd without faith it is impossible to please Him. For whoever would draw near to God must believe that He exists, and that He rewards those who seek Him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy question for the listener: \u201cWhat issue of faith are you facing today? What does God want you to do? Will you draw some courage from this couple\u2019s courage?\u2014because that\u2019s what it is.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, for some, who are listening to our broadcast, it\u2019s not adopting kids\u2014it\u2019s making a marriage go the distance. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s maybe a health issue, a loss of a job, a new season of life\u2014I don\u2019t know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A prodigal teen\u2014it could be anything.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; it sure could\u2014but \u201c\u2026without faith it is impossible to please Him.\u201d \u201cWill you believe God?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s the question for the listener today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I think a lot of listeners are going to draw courage from reading what the two of you have shared in your book, called <em>At Any Cost: Overcoming Every Obstacle to Bring Our Children Home<\/em>. It\u2019s the book that tells the story of how eight siblings from Africa came to live in Tennessee as Joneses. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have copies of your book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can go, online, to order at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get a copy of the book <em>At Any Cost<\/em>. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d Ask for the book, <em>At Any Cost<\/em>, when you get in touch with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we want to say, \u201cHappy anniversary!\u201d today to a couple who have been married since the Ford administration\u20141975. That\u2019s when Archie and Glenda Moore became husband and wife. They live in Greenwood, South Carolina. Forty-one years ago today: \u201cHappy anniversary!\u201d to the Moores. Hope you have a great celebration of your 41<sup>st <\/sup>anniversary today. We also want to say, \u201cHappy anniversary!\u201d to Anthone and Marissa Wallace, who live in Nassau, in the Bahamas. Today\u2019s their 13th wedding anniversary\u2014and the same for all of you who are celebrating anniversaries today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re big on anniversaries, here at FamilyLife. God has created this ministry to help more couples celebrate more anniversaries. We want to effectively develop godly marriages and families, who change the world, one home at a time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who partner with us\u2014those of you who share our burden for strong, healthy, thriving marriages and families. When you invest in FamilyLife, that\u2019s what you\u2019re investing in\u2014the lives of husbands and wives \/ moms and dads, all around the globe, who are seeking to order their family around what the Bible teaches.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re able to help with a donation today, we\u2019d love to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending you a resource designed for preschool and early elementary-aged children. You can use this during the Christmas season with your Christmas tree. These are ornaments the kids hang on the tree, each ornament telling them something different about who Jesus is. It\u2019s called \u201cThe Twelve Names of Christmas.\u201d The resource is yours when you go, online, to donate at FamilyLifeToday.com; or when you call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014make your donation over the phone. Or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to pick up the story of Mike and Hayley Jones. It was not an easy trip for them\u2014to just fly to Africa, pick up their kids, and bring them home. It was a little more complicated than that, and we\u2019ll hear the story tomorrow. I hope you can tune in to be with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. 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Mike and Hayley Jones tell of their radical decision to adopt eight siblings from an orphanage in Sierra Leone, no matter what the cost.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-11-22.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When God told Mike and Hayley Jones to adopt children, they were willing. When God told them to adopt eight children from the same family, Mike Jones said, \u201cNo\u201d; but God wouldn\u2019t let go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I mean, I just couldn\u2019t go on anymore\u2014so I was praying. I was like, \u201cIt\u2019s time to get serious about it.\u201d Somehow, I decided I would get down on the side of the bed and get on my knees. Well, somehow, I turned from the knees to face down on the floor in front of the wall. I was just praying and begging to God that \u201cI can\u2019t do the eight.\u201d I was just sobbing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>I will say\u2014I have never seen this man cry\u2014in all our marriage troubles \/ everything\u2014even at the birth of our children. I have not seen him cry until it came to these kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, November 22<sup>nd<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey. I'm Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you find yourself in a wrestling match with God, guess who usually wins. We\u2019ll hear more from Mike and Hayley Jones today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I love this picture. Don\u2019t you love this picture?\u2014the picture on the front of the book?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It really is cool.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s just a great picture of\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s what heaven\u2019s going to be like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s a family of \u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s multicolored.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014<em>ten<\/em> siblings.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There\u2019s a baby missing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There is a baby missing from this picture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We got bad bio\u2014we got bad bio information from the guests. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The picture got taken before the baby arrived.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We have with us Mike and Hayley Jones, who are the proud parents of\u2014now, how old of a baby?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Five months old.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Five months old, which makes 11.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong><em>Eleven<\/em>; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Ten boys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Ten boys \/ one girl. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Ten boys \/ one girl. That\u2019s a sorority\u2014no; that\u2019s a\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s a fraternity\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s a <em>minority<\/em> in a sorority\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>There you go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014no; it\u2019s a minority in a fraternity. There we go! That ought to be one well-protected little girl; don\u2019t you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>She is\u2014she\u2019s tough.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>She\u2019ll hold her own. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; she\u2019ll\u2014yes; that\u2019s for sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, Mike and Hayley live in Franklin, Tennessee. They have written a book called <em>At Any Cost: Overcoming Every Obstacle to Bring Our Children Home<\/em>. This is a tremendous story of redemption.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, Hayley, when you were a young lady, growing up, and prior to your marriage, you dreamed of perhaps being a missionary to the continent of Africa.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And Mike, you had the thought, as a single man, that you might like to adopt one boy\u2014not a bunch. So you both had adoption\u2014or some form of wanting to reach out to a foreign country\u2014in mind. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDo you remember when this subject of adoption and orphans came up as a point of discussion between you two? Was it after you had your biological kids?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>No; it was when we were dating.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh really!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So what did you say?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>I was\u2014yes; he wanted to adopt\u2014\u201cYes; I think that sounds like a wonderful idea.\u201d \u201cI would like to do missions,\u201d\u2014he said he doesn\u2019t feel called to that. You know, once we got married, God\u2019s not going to call us into completely different directions. He said: \u201cI really don\u2019t feel that calling yet,\u201d\u2014I don\u2019t know if he ever will. I would still go\u2014I would go to Sierra Leone today, but that\u2019s just not where we are \/ it\u2019s not where I\u2019m supposed to be right now. So we kind of knew that about each other, yes, from the very beginning.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You were a teacher when you guys got married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You had a student in your class from Sierra Leone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>I did\u2014a little girl that was adopted from Sierra Leone. I was a kindergarten teacher. She had just recently come home when she had entered my classroom. I just got to <em>see<\/em> the family work through that, and I became friends with the mom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI told her\u2014I said, \u201cWe want to adopt one day.\u201d She said: \u201cWell, whenever you\u2019re ready, give me a call and let me know. I\u2019ll walk you through it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And the \u201cwe want to adopt one day\u201d\u2014you had conversations about this, but you never put anything really formally in motion; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>No. We had a lot of trouble with the birth of our oldest biological son. After that, we started looking into it. There weren\u2019t many options open\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>\u2014in Africa at that time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>\u2014in Africa at that time. You know, that\u2019s where God had always laid it upon my heart. I think the countries open at the time were Ethiopia. Our church had recently started a mission partnership in South Africa. We were just looking to see where God was leading us to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So Mike, you give leadership to a water department in Franklin, Tennessee.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Yes; I do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know what a municipal water department pays, but I can\u2019t believe they pay at a level that allows you to adopt from a country out of Africa. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow did that subject of financial resources enter into your discussion?\u2014because I think this is where a lot of it gets shut down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, you didn\u2019t start off, thinking, \u201cWe\u2019re going to go adopt eight kids.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You started off thinking you were going to go adopt one child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>But even one child, Bob\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014can be expensive; that\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It can be expensive. That\u2019s where the discussion for a lot of couples stops.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>It was God laying upon our hearts to think bigger and do more. And <em>more<\/em> was kind of the theme we had through the whole process.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Before we got to that, it was I had this little girl in my class. Her mom said, \u201cContact me when you\u2019re ready to adopt, and I\u2019ll talk you through it.\u201d Well, about six\/seven years had passed. We had our oldest biological son and, actually, ended up having a second biological son. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI started thinking about the little girl that I had in my class and her mom. It was just really pressed upon my heart to call her\u2014I had kept her number all these years. Well, I go to call it; and of course, it\u2019s not her number anymore. I knew kind of the area where she lived, but I didn\u2019t have an address. I had <em>no<\/em> idea how to get a hold of her. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWithin a <em>week<\/em>\u2014we get a random free community paper, and I open it up\u2014and there is their family. They have opened an orphan care center in Sierra Leone. I called her; within the next week, she\u2019s at my kitchen table. We\u2019re talking\u2014I tell her, \u201cWe are interested in adopting.\u201d I said: \u201cI just really want to hear about what you\u2019re doing in Sierra Leone. What is your organization doing?\u201d She talked to me about it; and when she left that day, I knew then that Sierra Leone was the <em>place<\/em> and just what we were supposed to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Now, had you, at this point, started to count the cost?\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014because isn\u2019t it $20\/25,000 dollars to adopt?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>This was an independent adoption. This orphan care center that she opened up was not through an adoption agency. This was just a completely independent adoption\u2014that was the <em>only<\/em> way that we could afford it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So that brings the cost down?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>We still had to have the home study for the state of Tennessee, and then, you go through everything with the U.S. government side; but it wasn\u2019t going through an agency.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>And your attorneys there, and your attorneys here, and you\u2019re plane costs and things like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You were both pretty excited about this possibility\u2014about adopting a child from Sierra Leone. You were just following the path that God had laid out for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I have to stop this again. I\u2019ve only done this one other time, Bob, in the history of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is \u201cPut your hand on the Bible,\u201d again?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It is! I want to ask Mike to put his hand on the Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do you question his veracity in general? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; I\u2019m wondering about this\u2014you\u2019re going to give him a complex!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I want to make sure it\u2019s the truth here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to ask you\u2014you are the manager \/ the leader of a municipal water supply. Did you turn the pressure on a little higher, when you started talking about adoption, so you might get a bonus or something out of this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>No; I just wasn\u2019t going to go against what God told me to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I knew that\u2019s what he\u2019d say. [Laughter] I didn\u2019t need to have his hand on the Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What was the next step in the journey for you guys?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Our next step is\u2014we met with the lady from the orphanage. She lived here in our town in Tennessee. We met with her, and she was sharing with us the children that she had at the center that she thought would go well into our family; because that\u2019s, you know, important. We had two sons, and we want to make a smooth transition.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt the time, God kept telling us to do more\u2014just that word, \u201cmore,\u201d was really pressed upon our hearts\u2014but we didn\u2019t really know exactly what that looked like. We said: \u201cYou know what? We could do a sibling group,\u201d because there are a lot of sibling groups. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere aren\u2019t that many single children there; so we were thinking, \u201cTwo.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Let me stop you there. Why are there sibling groups?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>People just have <em>large<\/em> families. People get married, a lot of times, before they\u2019re even a teenager there; and then they just start having babies. It is a third-world country. I mean, the last statistic that I heard was one in three children do not even make it to the age of five. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I was wondering, as you said about the sibling groups, about HIV, AIDS\u2014if that wasn\u2019t wiping out some adults and leaving some children without a family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>AIDS is <em>not<\/em> very prevalent in that part of Africa. There are a few cases that I know of, but not even at the orphanage where the children were.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, you went in your thinking from, \u201cWe\u2019re going to adopt a child,\u201d to \u201cGod\u2019s pressing the word, \u2018more,\u2019 on our hearts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>And that means \u201ctwo,\u201d because two is more than one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cWe\u2019ll have two. We\u2019ll get a sibling group\u2014we\u2019ll get a brother and a sister \/ maybe a couple of brothers\u2014whatever. We\u2019ll just see.\u201d Now your heart\u2019s open to that. What was the next step?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Well, we met with the lady again. She had joked on the phone with us about a sibling group of four. I was just kind of: \u201cWhoa! What?\u201d But she wasn\u2019t serious; she just\u2014Hayley had told her that we were thinking about \/ God was calling us to do more\u2014and we didn\u2019t know if more was two, or three, or four.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Because nobody adopts four children at one time\u2014that\u2019s silly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; that would triple your family. You move from two to six\u2014boom!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>So that was: \u201cNo way!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>When we met with her that day, she never even mentioned the four\u2014didn\u2019t show us pictures of them or anything\u2014but as she was getting near the end of the meeting we had with her, I said, \u201cWell, what is this over here on the side?\u201d She said, \u201cWell, that\u2019s a sibling group of six we have and a sibling group of eight.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was like I got hit in the head with a hammer when she said the eight. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI knew, right then, that the eight was what we were supposed to do. I didn\u2019t say a word. All I could say\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; I wouldn\u2019t say a word if I got hit in the head with that either. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I was already\u2014I was already like, \u201cLet\u2019s get out of here.\u201d I don\u2019t remember the rest of the meeting at all\u2014it might have been two minutes \/ it might have been another 45 minutes\u2014I don\u2019t know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Why did you want to get out of there?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Because\u2014who, in their right mind, adopts eight children?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You had no idea, Hayley, that this thought had even dawned on him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>No; I had no idea. We left there\u2014about a week or two went by\u2014and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>And I\u2019ll say\u2014the wheels on the car were not going as fast as the wheels in my head were. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Had you already started negotiating with God?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Oh, dickering, and bargaining, and everything else\u2014but I didn\u2019t say a word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Who was winning?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>He wasn\u2019t answering!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Let me show you the picture on the front of the book. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes. [Laughter] I knew, in that next week or two, that something was just <em>eating<\/em> him up. I mean, he was just\u2014he was so <em>bothered<\/em>, but he didn\u2019t say a word to me about this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He didn\u2019t tell you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is the guy who wants to talk everything out!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>On the way home, I told her\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; here\u2019s what he said.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>On the way home, I told her\u2014I said: \u201cYou know, she didn\u2019t mention anything about the four. Don\u2019t bother her now; but on Monday, shoot her an email and ask her to send us some pictures so we could, at least, talk and look at the group of four that she\u2019d told us about before.\u201d That was my, already, trying to negotiate and bargain. I kind of left it at that, waiting for the group of four. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut for the next two weeks, I was just miserable and eaten up. I tried to make the appearance, at work, that everything was fine and dandy and just deal with business while I was there; but it was a lot of prayer and talking, back and forth, to God. It was just, \u201cHow am I supposed to do this?\u201d I didn\u2019t think I could do four; but \u201cSure; I\u2019ll sign up for the four over the eight any day.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>I <em>knew<\/em> something was bothering him; but I thought: \u201cWhen <em>he\u2019s<\/em> ready, he\u2019ll communicate it with me. I don\u2019t want to go bug him about it. I\u2019ll just let him share it with me.\u201d It was a Sunday night, and he shared. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So take me to that conversation. Where did it happen and what happened?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Well, Hayley had gone to get in the shower. We\u2019d already put the other boys to bed. It was after nine o\u2019 clock or so; but while she was in the shower, I would usually\u2014that was pretty much my bedtime too\u2014I get up early in the mornings. I was praying, and I was just miserable. That previous Sunday, I had gotten up and walked out of church just because I\u2014I had to walk the halls, and I was trying not to look like a crazy person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat Sunday night, I was praying. I was like, \u201cIt\u2019s time to get serious about it,\u201d\u2014I just couldn\u2019t go on anymore. Somehow, I decided I would get down on the side of the bed and get on my knees. Well, somehow, I turned from the knees to face down on the floor, in front of the wall. She was, like I said, in the shower. I was just praying and begging to God that \u201cI can\u2019t do the eight, but I\u2019ll do the four. I\u2019ll do whatever You want; but I\u2019ll do the four, but I can\u2019t do the eight.\u201d He just clearly said that \u201cI can feed twice as many, and the eight is what you must do.\u201d That was it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was back in the room. I felt just fine\u2014got up, and it was just normal to me. I mean, I accepted it \/ I didn\u2019t ever question it\u2014that is what I had to do. God clearly told me what I was to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo when she got out of the shower and came to the bedroom, I said, \u201cI have to talk to you.\u201d That\u2019s when I told her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>He looked at me and he told me: \u201cI was just praying \/ I was praying,\u201d and he said, \u201cGod just told me that I had to adopt these eight children.\u201d I just kind of sat there a second; and I said, \u201cWell, okay; I mean, if that\u2019s what He just said.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wait, wait, wait. Like that? Like, \u201cOkay\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There was not a, \u201cWell, when God comes and tells me, \u2018eight,\u2019 then we\u2019ll be on the same page with this\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>No; because I\u2019d <em>never<\/em> seen him broken like that \/ I\u2019d never seen him upset. I <em>knew<\/em> it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd, in the meantime, this was going on\u2014where he was struggling\u2014after we left the meeting that day, I went home and kept getting out my computer and looking at the information that the lady from the orphanage had sent us about the kids and their pictures. I got this like sick feeling in the pit of my stomach\u2014kind of that: \u201cWhat gives me the right to pick a child? How do I pick you\u2014that you get a mommy and daddy\u2014but you don\u2019t?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said, \u201cGod, if You want me to adopt a child, then You\u2019re going to have to show me which one.\u201d I closed the computer, and I didn\u2019t look at it again. And that was that week\u2014so when he said that, I said: \u201cWell, this is it. God has answered the prayer. I mean, He did exactly what I asked Him to do.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, I understand, in the moment, going, \u201cOkay; this is what God\u2019s called me to\u201d; but the next morning, it is like: \u201cNow, wait. What did I say last night?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly it! It was like we were on top of the world\u2014we knew <em>exactly<\/em> what we had to do: \u201cThis is it!\u201d And then we went to sleep, and then I woke up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And you think, \u201cI have two kids now\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, you had signed anything at that point.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It was just you two and God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>It was God, but it was fearful. At the beginning, the fear was, \u201cHow do you tell people that?\u201d First of all, it\u2019s <em>us<\/em>\u2014we don\u2019t have a lot of money, we don\u2019t have a big house, we don\u2019t have a lot of money\u2014I mean, we could keep reiterating that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019ve said that, now, twice. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes. So\u2014and we don\u2019t have a lot of money. It was: \u201cWhat\u2019s everybody going to think? I mean: \u2018How? How do we do this? We can\u2019t answer that question.\u2019\u201d We couldn\u2019t answer that question when people would say: \u201cWell, how are you going to do it? How will you afford it?\u201d \u201cWe don\u2019t know.\u201d So our answer is always: \u201cWe don\u2019t know, but we know God\u2019s called us to this. We\u2019ll just have to see how He provides.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Okay; so you now have some evidence of how God provides. Share with us <em>one<\/em> choice story\u2014out of everything that happened\u2014was just God\u2019s signature that He showed up and He wrote it down in the process of you adopting those eight.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>I think of the freezer story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Yes; the freezer story\u2019s an easy one, but also it would be\u2014if she was going on a trip over there\u2014she might go with a mission team\u2014and it was literally we burned up a coin machine, trying to roll pennies and quarters and everything else to try to pay for the\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; we collected change from people just to roll so we could have money.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>But I mean, if it was a deadline of Sunday night at midnight, or whatever\u2014you have to have your fees paid to go on this trip so she could go over there and try to get some more done on the adoption process\u2014I mean, at the eleventh hour, somebody would bring out the money. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was another time, where somebody was giving us the beef \/ the cow, and our freezer had gone out. I was grateful for the meat; but \u201cWhat am I supposed to do with it?\u201d Somebody called me that following Monday\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>We had never said anything to anyone about the freezer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Never said anything to anybody about the freezer. Some lady called me from an appliance store in Nashville and was like, \u201cSomebody came in and bought a freezer for you.\u201d She said, \u201cAll I need to know is where you want me to deliver it and which one you want.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I was like: \u201cExcuse me? Do what?\u201d And this just happened on Sunday\u2014that the thing had gone out. So\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Next day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>The next day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And then you said, \u201cWe\u2019ll take the big one.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>That\u2019s what I said\u2014I said, \u201cWhat\u2019s the largest one you have?\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We kind of brushed on by this, and we can\u2019t get into the details now about it, but how long\u2014how many trips did it take for this to ultimately bring back a small African nation to Franklin, Tennessee?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Well, it turned out it was a lot more difficult than what we ever thought. We thought: \u201cWhen God calls you to do something, it\u2019s going to be easy. We\u2019ll get there, and it\u2019s going to be smooth sailing.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cand the gates of heaven are going to open up, and you\u2019re going to walk right through them.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Yes; it took three years. I lived over there, in Sierra Leone, for months at a time. I would be months there \/ months here in the States\u2014months there \/ months in the States. I had to leave my two biological children here to go over there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was torturous\u2014we weren\u2019t getting anywhere. Adoptions were closed. They said we would never leave \/ we could never get the kids out\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Never get all eight of them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>\u201cIt\u2019s a pipe dream. Pick two kids; forget about the rest\u2026\u201d Up until the day before they came home, I was still being told, \u201cNo,\u201d\u2014that my children would not be leaving. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Three years in the process.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>Three years in the process, just a rollercoaster ride. Again, since we didn\u2019t have the money to adopt, we had to fundraise. We just have a one-story ranch house; but we had a basement, and it was unfinished. We had to finish the basement. Sunday school classes helped us, and they raised money. We\u2019re like Noah building the ark \/ we\u2019re preparing for this, and we don\u2019t have anything to show for it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Because God told us they were going to come.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Hayley: <\/strong>God told us they were going to come, and He never told us anything different. In the three years, a lot of people started doubting \/ people started wondering. People started saying: \u201cYou know, I don\u2019t think it\u2019s really going to happen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cMaybe you were just called to say, \u2018Yes,\u2019 but He doesn\u2019t actually expect you to go through with it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMike is the one that said\u2014one day, he looked at me; and he said, \u201cGod hasn\u2019t told me anything different; so we\u2019re going to keep going.\u201d And we did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Hebrews, Chapter 11, verse 6: \u201cAnd without faith it is impossible to please Him. For whoever would draw near to God must believe that He exists, and that He rewards those who seek Him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy question for the listener: \u201cWhat issue of faith are you facing today? What does God want you to do? Will you draw some courage from this couple\u2019s courage?\u2014because that\u2019s what it is.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, for some, who are listening to our broadcast, it\u2019s not adopting kids\u2014it\u2019s making a marriage go the distance. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s maybe a health issue, a loss of a job, a new season of life\u2014I don\u2019t know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A prodigal teen\u2014it could be anything.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; it sure could\u2014but \u201c\u2026without faith it is impossible to please Him.\u201d \u201cWill you believe God?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s the question for the listener today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I think a lot of listeners are going to draw courage from reading what the two of you have shared in your book, called <em>At Any Cost: Overcoming Every Obstacle to Bring Our Children Home<\/em>. It\u2019s the book that tells the story of how eight siblings from Africa came to live in Tennessee as Joneses. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have copies of your book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can go, online, to order at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get a copy of the book <em>At Any Cost<\/em>. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d Ask for the book, <em>At Any Cost<\/em>, when you get in touch with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we want to say, \u201cHappy anniversary!\u201d today to a couple who have been married since the Ford administration\u20141975. That\u2019s when Archie and Glenda Moore became husband and wife. They live in Greenwood, South Carolina. Forty-one years ago today: \u201cHappy anniversary!\u201d to the Moores. Hope you have a great celebration of your 41<sup>st <\/sup>anniversary today. We also want to say, \u201cHappy anniversary!\u201d to Anthone and Marissa Wallace, who live in Nassau, in the Bahamas. Today\u2019s their 13th wedding anniversary\u2014and the same for all of you who are celebrating anniversaries today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re big on anniversaries, here at FamilyLife. God has created this ministry to help more couples celebrate more anniversaries. We want to effectively develop godly marriages and families, who change the world, one home at a time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who partner with us\u2014those of you who share our burden for strong, healthy, thriving marriages and families. When you invest in FamilyLife, that\u2019s what you\u2019re investing in\u2014the lives of husbands and wives \/ moms and dads, all around the globe, who are seeking to order their family around what the Bible teaches.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re able to help with a donation today, we\u2019d love to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending you a resource designed for preschool and early elementary-aged children. You can use this during the Christmas season with your Christmas tree. These are ornaments the kids hang on the tree, each ornament telling them something different about who Jesus is. It\u2019s called \u201cThe Twelve Names of Christmas.\u201d The resource is yours when you go, online, to donate at FamilyLifeToday.com; or when you call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014make your donation over the phone. Or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to pick up the story of Mike and Hayley Jones. It was not an easy trip for them\u2014to just fly to Africa, pick up their kids, and bring them home. It was a little more complicated than that, and we\u2019ll hear the story tomorrow. I hope you can tune in to be with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. 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