{"id":304190,"date":"2016-10-03T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2016-10-03T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/inching-toward-marriage\/"},"modified":"2016-10-03T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2016-10-03T15:00:00","slug":"inching-toward-marriage","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/inching-toward-marriage\/","title":{"rendered":"Inching Toward Marriage"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lisa Anderson gives singles advice on how to make their marriage dreams come true.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-10-03.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"24.95M","filesize_raw":"26159769","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2867,2848],"tags":[6084,4018,4520,2926],"podcast_series":[7244],"cwp_profile":[3155],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-304190","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-church-involvement","category-cultural-issues","tag-cultural-landscape","tag-dating","tag-finding-community","tag-singles","podcast_series-the-dating-manifesto","cwp_profile-lisa-anderson","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/304190\/inching-toward-marriage","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/304190\/inching-toward-marriage","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"nDzSrmBuTx\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/inching-toward-marriage\/\">Inching Toward Marriage<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/inching-toward-marriage\/embed\/#?secret=nDzSrmBuTx\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Inching Toward Marriage&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"nDzSrmBuTx\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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They don\u2019t know what they want, and they are not doing anything with their lives.\u201d\u00a0 What I hear about the women is: \u201cThey are so catty. They are so crazy. They are so controlling. How in the world could I ever lead any of these women because they want to totally take control?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, October 3<sup>rd<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Is there really such a thing as a drama-free plan for purposefully pursing marriage?\u00a0 We\u2019ll explore that today with Lisa Anderson. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. Think we\u2019ve got a feisty one here today; don\u2019t you think?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think we do. [Laughter]\u00a0 She works for Focus on the Family<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>They teach feistiness out there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>They do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>They do. They\u2019re feisty for the family. [Laughter]\u00a0 Lisa Anderson joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Lisa, welcome to the broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>It is great to be here!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We\u2019ve got a lot of listeners on the Front Range. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Yes\u2014that\u2019s great!\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, a lot of them are your friends. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>They are\u2014they are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And they are going to <em>love<\/em> what you talk about today. I <em>love<\/em> the gritty, feisty nature of the title of your book\u2014it\u2019s called <em>The Dating Manifesto<\/em>. You just kind of threw the gauntlet down on this puppy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Well, I kind of tell people that this is the book that I wish I had read in my 20s. So, I told people I wanted this to be everything that I wish I had been told in my 20s about dating relationships but <em>wasn\u2019t<\/em>, even by well-meaning people in the church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019d wished they had spoken up and given me a few things I needed to know. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019re saying we are all too silent with our single friends?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>I think so\u2014yes. So, I\u2019m blaming you, Bob. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He\u2019s an easy target. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Let\u2019s start out the gate with that. Yes; exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know\u2014here\u2019s the thing\u2014you\u2019ve got somebody coming to your church, who is 26 and single. You don\u2019t want to be the person who is saying, \u201c<em>So<\/em>, are you dating anybody?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>I <em>know<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I mean, everybody tells you to back off from that and give them some space. You\u2019re saying almost the <em>opposite<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>I am. Intent is important; but delivery is also important. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>I think that\u2019s where, you know, some of my married friends just need to be instructed a little bit in how to affirm singles and how to help them along the path to marriage. What\u2019s interesting is\u2014everyone says\u2014and this so true, Bob \/ I know you\u2019re saying this\u2014people are like: \u201cDon\u2019t interfere in my love life,\u201d and \u201cStop talking about dating,\u201d and \u201cStop talking about\u2026\u201d\u2014but over 90 percent of single adults want to be married someday. So, why don\u2019t we just talk about the elephant in the room and help them get there?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, we rushed by what you do at Focus on the Family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou are the host of <em>The Boundless Show<\/em>, which is both a podcast and a radio broadcast; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>It is\u2014yes. That\u2019s correct. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And you give leadership as the director of young adults. I\u2019ve got one issue to take with your [book] cover. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It makes a promise\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>It does. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014that I just kind of wondered\u2014I was just looking forward to asking you this. I\u2019m glad you\u2019re so feisty because this is\u2014it says: <em>A Drama-Free Plan for Pursuing Marriage with Purpose<\/em>. Do you really believe that?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Yes. What it isn\u2019t, though\u2014I can\u2019t say that it\u2019s a promise to <em>get<\/em> you married. [Laughter]\u00a0 I\u2019m saying it is a plan to help you understand a good, intentional, biblical way of heading down that path. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>But can you guarantee a drama-free plan?\u00a0 Now,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Well\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014think about human beings at this point\u2014I mean, <em>really<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Right. Well, the <em>plan<\/em> is drama-free. It\u2019s just when you put two people in there that\u2014[Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s the execution\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014that\u2019s the issue. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Exactly. Maybe, that\u2019s where it is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Lisa, let me ask you\u2014and you don\u2019t hand this out on first dates; right?\u00a0 When you go out with a guy for the first time, you don\u2019t say: \u201cHey, I wrote this book. You might read it before you the second date\u201d?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>No; maybe, I should\u2014I\u2019m going to start trying. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Let me go back to that dynamic of us married people and our single friends. Coach us on how we can have the right tone \/ have the right approach so that we can be helpful. I mean, those\u2014my wife and I are proponents of marriage \/ we\u2019re fans of marriage. When we meet single friends, we kind of want to help them: \u201cCome join the club. It is fun in here!\u201d\u2014right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What can we do?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Well, I think the most important thing is to <em>be<\/em> in relationship with single people. I feel like the church\u2014not that there isn\u2019t a place for single groups in churches\u2014I have a love\/hate relationship with them. I see them as necessary because many single folks have landed in a city because of education or a job. They are apart from their families; they\u2019re apart from their original community \/ the people that they love. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, there are going to be attracted to like\u2014they are going to look for other single folks for community \/ for social stuff\u2014all of that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s great; but we need to integrate the church more, where single people are in the lives of married people\u2014specifically, older generations\u2014because I always say, \u201cWhy be the blind leading the blind?\u201d\u00a0 If you want to be married someday and have a family, why not then, be in the sphere of married people who can model that for you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>\u2014who can counsel you in that direction?\u00a0 So, that\u2019s kind of one of my charges to single people; but at the same time, I kind of see marrieds kind of going off into their own little cloisters as well. I think we\u2019re all kind of doing a bad job of it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well; and there are a lot of singles, who would say: \u201cEvery hour I spend with my married friends from church is an hour I\u2019m not getting to spend dating somebody or finding somebody,\u201d or \u201cC\u2019mon!\u00a0 I only have so much time.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Well, I think the married people could definitely <em>help<\/em> in that direction. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, if you\u2019re\u2014I\u2019m a big fan of the setup. I think we need to start relieving ourselves of the stigma of being setup. Now, I\u2019m <em>not<\/em> saying just go and willy-nilly set everyone up with everyone. I had to\u2014for example, my mother\u2014bless her heart\u2014has tried to set me up. She\u2019s not the greatest. [Laughter]\u00a0 My mom is a prayer warrior, but she called me one day. She actually, now, lives with me; so, now, I\u2019m really going to be sunk. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut she\u2014when she was living in another state, she said: \u201cThere\u2019s a new single man in my church. When you come and visit, you need to meet him.\u201d\u00a0 I said: \u201cWell, what\u2019s the story on him?\u00a0 What\u2019s the\u2014where does he work?\u00a0 How did he come to the church?\u00a0 What\u2019s his background?\u201d\u00a0 \u201cI do not know. I\u2019ve only seen the back of his head so far in the sanctuary, but I know\u2026\u201d [Laughter] I\u2019m like: \u201cReally? Has it come to this, Mom? That this is now\u2014this is the lowest common denominator here?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He\u2019s single, and he\u2019s got a decent hairline. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Yes\u2014\u201cI have seen the back of his head.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had to <em>fire<\/em> my own mother from my boots-on-the-ground dating team; because she has no discernment on my behalf. She\u2019s now still in the prayer sphere, but that\u2019s it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFind people who legitimately know you, care about you, and are <em>great<\/em>\u2014are a great set of eyes. You know\u2014not just anyone\u2014but you want to find those, because who better to help you find\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>\u2014a potential mate than the people who know and love you best\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>\u2014and are willing to put their own reputations on the line to make that happen?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; no doubt about it. In fact, married people really want to help their single friends; but I think a lot of married people today are looking at singles, going: \u201cThey\u2019re waiting until later, and later, and later in life to get married. A lot of them are cohabiting.\u201d\u00a0 Have singles given up on marriage, because they don\u2019t know a married couple that\u2019s happily married?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>I think there\u2019s definitely a generational-thing going on\u2014specifically with millennials because millennials are the product of the largest divorce generation in history, which are the Boomers. Most millennials\u2014and sorry Boomers but that\u2019s true\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014most millennials have not grown up with a great picture of marriage in their own lives. They grew up with absent dads, largely in a single-parent home, a lot of fighting in the home\u2014or whatever. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>They believe in marriage as much or more than the Greatest Generation, which is pretty unbelievable. They want marriage \/ they believe in marriage. They love the idea of family as much as their grandparents. They don\u2019t believe that they can do it well or do it successfully. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, what they are going to do is\u2014they are going to <em>practice<\/em> at it for as long as they can, hoping that they\u2019ll get all the skills they need. As a result, they are delaying marriage; and instead, they are settling for go-nowhere relationships, bad relationships, cohabitation, other things they think are going to get them going the distance; but in fact, it\u2019s actually working cross purposes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>As I was reading your book, I was thinking, \u201cI wonder how she would describe single men today?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>[Laughter] Is that a setup?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It is. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It really isn\u2019t meant to be a negative setup. I genuinely want to hear what you think about single men, because you have been single for a number of years; plus, you\u2019ve given it a lot of thought, here in your book, <em>The Dating Manifesto<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Yes. So, here\u2014let me start by defining both men and women by the stereotypes that the opposite sex will give them. Here\u2019s what I hear every time I go out and speak. The biggest complaint from women is: \u201cMen around me are <em>so<\/em> passive, and they are <em>so<\/em> lame. They don\u2019t know what they want, and they are not doing anything with their lives.\u201d\u00a0 What I hear about the women is: \u201cThey are so catty. They are so crazy. They are so controlling. How in the world could I ever lead any of these women, because they want to totally take control?\u201d\u00a0 So, it\u2019s absolutely\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Whoa! [Laughter] That makes for a great match; doesn\u2019t it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>It\u2019s basically a painting of the fall and how this is played out in relationships, with men and women, and everything that\u2019s going on. There are no surprises there. We\u2019re seeing it because we\u2014I mean, you see it play, not even in just relationships. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor example, in the world of education, women are far outpacing men\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>\u2014in universities, colleges, education, getting a college degree, and then, succeeding in the workplace. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Six out of ten graduates are women. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Yes; exactly. And they\u2019re finding\u2014I mean, unless you go into, specifically, the engineering degrees or other related sciences and stuff like that\u2014you\u2019re finding women <em>way<\/em>\u2014I mean, the percentages are just <em>huge<\/em> in that sense. So, we\u2019re seeing that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWomen are starting to believe that. Women have been fueled by the feminist gains of the \u201860s, \u201870s, and \u201880s. We\u2019ve been told, \u201cPull yourself up by your bootstraps.\u201d I mean, I am a product of the California public schools. It is a wonder that I can put a couple of sentences together. [Laughter]\u00a0 I had teachers in my school, who said, \u201cLisa, all your\u201d\u2014because I grew up in a Christian home, I saw great marriages \/ my parents had a wonderful marriage\u2014but I also was under teachers, who said: \u201cLisa, no one is going to take care of you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cYou go out there. You get your education. You start succeeding in your career. You become what <em>you<\/em> want to be. Then, later on, on <em>your<\/em> timetable and <em>your<\/em> terms, you tack on marriage if you want to because what a sweet, little idea that is\u2014if you want to add that to your own story, then, fine.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut never was marriage a central story that was told as a <em>good<\/em> thing for me\u2014as something that was a worthy pursuit \/ something that was primary for my life. That\u2019s, I think, the script that were losing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I couldn\u2019t agree more, and I\u2019m glad you\u2019re taking that approach in your book. I want to go back to my question, because I don\u2019t think you <em>quite<\/em> got there in describing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Was I dodging it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014men. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You told us what it <em>wasn\u2019t<\/em>\u2014you said there are some stereotypes that are unfair for both men and women. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Yes; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, how would you describe men today, as a single woman?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Well, I\u2019m not even convinced that they are <em>that<\/em> unfair. I mean, I think they are deeply felt. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say today\u2019s men\u2014it depends on where you are in the age spectrum and, certainly, in the faith spectrum for this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think one thing that Christian men today are struggling with is an identity issue of: \u201cWho are they in Christ?\u201d and \u201cHow does that play out with the available roles that they have in our culture today?\u2014especially when women, even Christian women, are trying to compete with them, whether it\u2019s in church, or in the workplace, or in the home.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI see a lot of guys\u2014like young men\u2014I\u2019ll talk to college-aged guys, who are all about marriage; because, for them, the world is open to them. They are not risk-adverse\u2014they think that they can fail \/ they will bounce back. They are like: \u201cWhatever. If this girl doesn\u2019t say, \u2018Yes,\u2019 I\u2019m sure this one will. I\u2019m probably pretty great.\u2019\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, you see guys\u2014as they move into their late 20s, early 30s, mid-30s\u2014it\u2019s about managing the risk: \u201cWhat are they going to have to give up in order to get this story now?\u201d\u2014because now, maybe, they\u2019ve built a portfolio; maybe, now, they\u2019ve been rejected a number of times; now, they\u2019ve accumulated their baggage to the point where all of their issues with their dad, growing up, have come to the surface. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey realize that there are things about themselves that they may need to actually work on. You see more somberness or more sadness in men as they age and realize that the things that they wanted they\u2019re not quite getting, but they don\u2019t know how to go about doing that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I really like what you said there. If a woman can understand what you just said, in terms of a man needing a woman to believe in him, help him, shape his identity\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Call the leader out of him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; yes. I mean, it\u2019s powerful. You write in your book, \u201cMen need to be needed.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s true in marriage \/ it\u2019s true for single men. A woman cannot use that in a manipulative way; but she can use that in a way to truly be attractive to another guy, I believe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Yes; and it\u2019s also\u2014it\u2019s not about\u2014and I\u2019m all about guys loving the Lord, and being spiritually mature, and all that; but I think women have done ourselves a disservice by having access to and almost putting on a pedestal these outliers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have young women, who come to me and say: \u201cLisa, I\u2019m not going to settle. I am holding out for a John Piper.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 I\u2019m like, \u201cWell, okay,\u201d because\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Let me tell you how many of those there are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>\u2014and let me tell you that John Piper wasn\u2019t John Piper when he was 23 years old. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No doubt about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>John Piper grew into who he is in Christ and, largely, because of his wife No\u00ebl. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>So, \u201cWhat does marriage do to a man?\u00a0 What does marriage do to a family and to the wife itself?\u201d\u00a0 We have to look for what I call trajectory: \u201cWho is this guy going to become?\u00a0 What can you see in him?\u00a0 What can you build into him?\u00a0 Does he love the Lord?\u00a0 Is he growing in his faith?\u00a0 Is he willing to take responsibility?\u00a0 Is he trustworthy?\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s a guy you can hitch your wagon to and, then, move forward in life together with, rather than waiting for this end product that has arrived. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do you think one reason that there are a whole lot more of 28-, 29-, 30-year-old single guys, who are kind of wondering, \u201cI don\u2019t want to think about marriage,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014do you think one reason is because they have access to either porn or girls who will have sex with them? As long as they got that, the urgency to get married has been diminished a little bit?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Yes; absolutely. I mean, I think that plays into it; absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, it\u2019s so funny to me; because I have people talk to me about: \u201cI remember growing up in youth group and the whole era of the purity pledges. You\u2019d have the youth group talks; and it was all about \u2018sex this and sex that.\u2019 It was \u2018Don\u2019t; don\u2019t; don\u2019t.\u201d\u00a0 I\u2019m like, \u201cI remember hearing that in junior high and high school, but who is talking to the 20- and 30-somethings now?\u201d because the expectation is that you\u2019re going to get this talk in high school; and then, now, you\u2019re going to make it to 29, 30, 31, 32, not having had sex?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYet, we\u2019re being told by many well-meaning Christian parents and Christian leaders: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cDon\u2019t worry about marriage. Just wait\u2014someday. You will have plenty of time. Have fun now. Do what you want to do now.\u201d\u00a0 So, this generation of young adults are like: \u201cI\u2019m supposed to hold out for 10, 12, 15 years on that front, when all of my friends are having sex \/ when everyone has normalized porn, and that\u2019s just the thing to do?\u00a0 And I\u2019m just supposed to live in this weirdo Christian script of: \u2018Oh, no; that\u2019s not okay.\u2019\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s where I say: \u201cLet\u2019s start talking up marriage and talking up the <em>greatness<\/em> of that\u2014not that we don\u2019t talk about\u2014I mean, chastity is for everyone, even within marriage.\u201d\u00a0 I think it\u2019s also false to say, \u201cOh, just get married and then you won\u2019t be sexually tempted or you won\u2019t have any issues.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>I mean, that\u2019s also nonsense; but don\u2019t denigrate the value of that, because it\u2019s huge. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I couldn\u2019t agree with you more. I think purity and the character quality of chastity, as you\u2019ve spoken here, is <em>powerful<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat do single men need to know about single women? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are some misconceptions there\u2014you write about it in your book. If you had just coffee with a guy for five minutes, and you had to say, \u201cHey, I\u2019m going to need you to just know these three things\u2026\u201d or \u201c\u2026these couple of things,\u201d what would you share with him?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Yes. I would tell him\u2014first of all, that they need to cut out all of the Hollywood ideals they have been delivered. Guys, for example\u2014most men, I think, know this innately\u2014but guys want to be part of a big story, and they want to rescue. They want to be a rescuer. It\u2019s why we see guys so attracted to things like video games, to blockbuster movies, to that\u2014they want to be in a big adventure\u2014but what we\u2019re seeing is\u2014we\u2019re seeing them play act in that sense rather than getting into something true and something real. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would like to tell them that, if they are willing to fight for something big, if they are willing to start small\u2014and just even where God has given them \/ entrusted them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014something in their lives, whether it\u2019s a committee at church, whether it\u2019s helping out kids in the inner city, whether it\u2019s\u2014that is something that they can grow in and show themselves in a way that women will stand up and take notice. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo many guys tell me: \u201cOh, women\u2014they just don\u2019t like the nice guys. All they want are these bad boys. All they want\u2026\u201d Women want men who are strong\u2014but strong of character and confidence\u2014guys who know who they are and aren\u2019t going to budge based on what their buddies are telling them \/ based on what the culture is telling them. Women want guys that they know they can trust and that will stand by them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And it sounds like you\u2019re talking about a man who is on mission too. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Absolutely; yes\u2014and one who is not going to sit around and wait to be told what to do. It\u2019s not about whether or not you are an artist or whether you ride a Harley. It\u2019s not about this stereotype of masculinity\u2014it is about owning who you are, taking responsibility for your actions, choosing to stand for truth and justice, to fight for things that are right and for real. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou do that, and you\u2019re going to set yourself apart from like 85 percent of the guys that are out there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And I don\u2019t want to put words in your mouth; but I think you said this: \u201cIf the guy you\u2019re talking to, over coffee, is a 6, quit waiting for a 10\u201d; is that right?\u00a0 Isn\u2019t that what you\u2019d tell them?\u00a0 \u201cIf you\u2019re a 6\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, she does in her book. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s what I thought!\u00a0 Isn\u2019t that what you say?! [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>All the guys that are out there, waiting\u2014like the gentleman I mentioned in my book, for the woman who is a 10, you might need to be told that you\u2019re a 6. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You might need to look in the mirror; huh?! [Laughter]\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>So, again, it\u2019s\u2014and I think that all comes into the whole idea of growing into someone. You are <em>not<\/em> the person now that you will be in 20 to 30 years. Neither is your future spouse\u2014so to understand that\u2014to look for a woman of character, you\u2014this is like: \u201cHello, this is what you guys always talk about\u2014a woman of character \/ a woman of companionship. I mean, this idea that you\u2019re going to marry\u201d\u2014and I mention this in the book\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014\u201ca supermodel, who writes Bible studies \/ who is like\u201d\u2014I don\u2019t know that woman!\u00a0 She\u2019s not in my friend group. That\u2019s not me. I don\u2019t know that she exists. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>So, you\u2019re going to be single for a very long time if you\u2019re looking for someone who doesn\u2019t exist. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>If you are a single guy, I just want to tell you where she got her stuff\u2014it\u2019s \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1 Corinthians 16, verse 13: \u201cBe watchful,\u201d\u2014that means, as a man, you are looking out for others\u2014\u201cstand firm in the faith,\u201d\u2014that means you know where you stand with Jesus Christ \/ you\u2019re maturing, you\u2019re growing, and you are on a mission\u2014\u201cact like men,\u201d\u2014Paul says\u2014\u201cbe strong. Let all that you do be done in love.\u201d\u00a0 There is the tough \/ there is the tender side of a man that a woman is attracted to. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A guy who is doing that\u2014you\u2019d go out with a guy like that; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>I would! Absolutely!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Second time?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Maybe, a second time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think if you want to set a single woman up with a guy like that, that will work. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes; know more about him than just the back of his head. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lisa: <\/strong>Exactly!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Let me just say\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Let me just say to Lisa\u2019s mom, \u201cThank you for listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We just invited her here to be on the broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And we didn\u2019t know she was going to rat you out like this. [Laughter]\u00a0 <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe do have copies of Lisa\u2019s book\u2014it\u2019s called <em>The Dating Manifesto<\/em>; and the subtitle says: <em>A Drama-Free Plan for Pursuing Marriage with Purpose<\/em>. Yes; we\u2019ll see about that. You can order the book from us online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to get a copy. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-358-6329. We also have a link to Lisa\u2019s website on our website. If you\u2019d like to follow her, and get more information about what she\u2019s doing, and her work at Focus on the Family, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and look for the link. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSpeaking of dating and marriage\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it was 34 years ago, yesterday, that Roger and Jean Zook went from dating to marriage. They became husband and wife back in 1982; and yesterday, they celebrated their 34<sup>th<\/sup> wedding anniversary. The Zooks work as group coordinators for our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways. 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