{"id":304098,"date":"2016-07-25T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2016-07-25T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/beginnings\/"},"modified":"2016-07-25T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2016-07-25T15:00:00","slug":"beginnings","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/beginnings\/","title":{"rendered":"Beginnings"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When Dennis and Barbara Rainey were newlyweds, God called them to a unique ministry to engaged couples. 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Here\u2019s Dennis Rainey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019d have to say I didn\u2019t have vision for a ministry to be created. I just thought: \u201cYes, this really makes sense. This really\u2014this is how the Bible starts. The Bible starts with marriage \/ it ends with marriage. Marriage is central to what God\u2019s doing on planet earth. Let\u2019s get\u2014let\u2019s get in this thing and find out what God\u2019s up to.\u201d In the process, found out that He\u2019s up to a whole lot more than many of us understand through marriage and family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, July 25<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. What do you remember from 1976? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSome of you are thinking, \u201cI wasn\u2019t even born in 1976!\u201d Well, FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> was born that year, and we\u2019re going to share some of that story with you today. Stay tuned.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Could I\u2014could I just do that, Bob, and just kind of kick off this? We\u2019re starting a series of special broadcasts here and\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you want to play the role I have played?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I just\u2014just at the very beginning, Bob. I just want to do it\u2014just hang with me. Here we go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Rewind the music \/ roll it out. There we go; okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. This is your host, Dennis Rainey. Ephesians, Chapter 3, verse 20, says: \u201cNow to Him who is able to do far more abundantly than all we ask or think, according to the power at work within us, to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo Him be the glory.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You thought to start with the benediction was the right place to start this week. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I thought it was only appropriate. As the listeners hear the roll out of how this whole thing got started, they know where the glory belongs.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There\u2019s a context to why we\u2019re talking about this this week. Our staff is assembling in Little Rock this week for a 40<sup>th<\/sup> anniversary celebration. Most of our radio listeners know this is our 40<sup>th<\/sup> anniversary year\u2014we\u2019ve been celebrating all-year long. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe way we\u2019ve been celebrating is by highlighting many of the stories of lives that have been impacted as a result of how God\u2019s Word has been shared through this ministry\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and the anniversaries we made happen. I was in Orlando, just a couple weeks ago, Bob, and a guy came up to me and said: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWe\u2019ve been to your conference, the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><strong><em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em><\/strong>, twice\u2014once, 20 years ago, when we were engaged\u2014decided to come back for a little spiritual wheel alignment \/ come back again. Thank you for what you do. You gave us the spiritual foundation that we built our marriage on; and once again, you\u2019ve helped us at a mid-course correction in the middle of our marriage.\u201d We\u2019re still doing it, Bob\u2014we\u2019re making anniversaries possible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to revisit some of the history of <em>FamilyLife<\/em> and allow our listeners, who don\u2019t know the whole story, to hear a little bit about how God has been at work through this ministry over the last 40 years. I\u2019m going to be asking both of you to do something really hard, and that is remembering details from 40 years ago. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, I was thinking about it\u2014when our daughter was born \/ Amy\u2014this is 35 years ago that she was born\u2014I remember details from that day. I mean, when significant things happen in your life, you remember some of the details.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe you didn\u2019t know just how significant those things were when they were happening; [Laughter] and I guess that\u2019s where I want to start. You both came to the University of Arkansas, as students, with something other than a spiritual mission in mind for your life; didn\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I did; although part of my story is that I chose to go to the University of Arkansas, which was out of state for me. It was also a school choice where I walked on that campus and didn\u2019t know a living soul. But I also made that choice because I wanted to do something different and in my heart\u2014I thought to myself: \u201cI think that there\u2019s something else to life. I think there is something else for me to discover; and if I stay too close to home, I\u2019m not going to find it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI didn\u2019t go seeking God because I didn\u2019t really know what I was looking for, but I went there because I felt like it would be a place to start over. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt felt like it would be a place that was fresh and different and I might\u2014I might learn something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If I had asked you, when you were a freshman: \u201cWhat\u2019s your major? What do you want to do when you graduate?\u201d would you have known?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh, I would have given you an answer, but I wasn\u2019t real confident in it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You were a history major?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> No; as a freshman, I was an art major and then a French major. How about that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay; and were you thinking, along the way, that you wanted to teach, or that you wanted to work in a museum, or\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> No; I just liked\u2014I had taken a lot of French in high school, and I had spent a summer in France, and it just made sense\u2014I love the language \/ I love the country. I just thought I\u2019d major in it because it was something I enjoyed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI loved art but I got into the art department and I didn\u2019t enjoy the classes\u2014all the prerequisites that I had to take\u2014I wasn\u2019t interested in sculpting \/ I wasn\u2019t interested in some of those things\u2014so that began to lose a little bit of its allure to me. French was much harder than I expected it to be! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> <em>Parlez-vous fran<\/em><em>\u00e7<\/em><em>ais<\/em>? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh, I could do that; but I couldn\u2019t read <em>Les Mis\u2019<\/em> in French. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was the first semester reading\u2014was to read that in French and then discuss it in French in class. My French was not that good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, gottcha! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[To Dennis] You transferred to the University of Arkansas after two years at junior college; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I was a has-been athlete. [Laughter] I spent my first two years at a small junior college, Crowder Junior College. I think it\u2019s now a four-year school near Neosho, Missouri. It had paid my way through school\u2014basketball and baseball together. I wasn\u2019t good enough at either one of them to get a full ride; but together, they paid my last semester all the way through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI came just at the beginning of a spiritual awakening in my life, and I did not choose the University of Arkansas for that reason. It was a little closer to home than Mizzou was\u2014I\u2019m from Missouri\u2014I also went out of state. I\u2019m really not sure why other than God providentially ordering my steps. I look back on it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and it was a life-altering decision, where I chose to go to college\u2014because it was there where I first really began to take some of my first spiritual baby steps at truly following Christ in the midst of a university setting that wasn\u2019t all that friendly to faith. There was a large faith movement\u2014followers of Christ were alive and well at the University of Arkansas\u2014and we saw even more people come to faith in Christ over our tenure there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI went on mission\u2014I went on as a representative of Christ. I knew God had a plan for me. I was excited about fitting in, wherever that was\u2014didn\u2019t know what it was at all. I was not thinking about full-time Christian work at that point.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You were both involved, in college, with Campus Crusade for Christ, which was experiencing, really, a revival\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014the early \u201870s on college campuses was a period of awakening. The Jesus Movement was happening \/ you were in the midst of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Campus Crusade was thriving on campus\u2014lots of young people coming. Tell us about the campus leaders at the University of Arkansas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> First of all, I want to say that it was because of Campus Crusade that I actually became a Christian. I was on the University of Arkansas campus. I would have said I was a Christian had anyone asked me, but I didn\u2019t understand what that meant. It was at a Bible study where I actually heard what it meant to be a Christian\u2014I heard that I needed to invite Christ in my life. I had never heard that concept before. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI went back to my room \/ my dorm room, and I reread the little booklet that she\u2019d given me and decided, \u201cThis is what I\u2019ve been looking for all my life.\u201d I invited Christ into my life at that moment. From the next day on, I was at every Bible study they ever had. I went to every conference I could find out about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was just this dry, dry sponge that was soaking up every word \/ every activity. It was all so new. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tImmediately, because the movement was very small at the time\u2014I mean, within a year, I think Dennis and I were two of the leaders only because we had been there some of the longest. We were leading\u2014at least I was\u2014I was leading a small group of girls. Once you could share your faith, and give your testimony, and lead a Bible study, you were in; and you were set free to go do that with others. It was a pretty rapid-growth kind of movement. We saw a lot of kids coming, and joining, and becoming a part, and receiving Christ. The meetings grew rapidly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I was\u2014I was in the process of joining a fraternity. I\u2019ll never forget\u2014they were recruiting me to join\u2014and I said, \u201cI\u2019m on a mission to represent Christ.\u201d And I remember those guys were going: \u201cOkay; come on. Bring it!\u201d I actually joined one, and immediately purchased Bibles, and passed out Bibles to all my pledge brothers\u201430 of them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI began to invite speakers into the fraternity to speak about the relevance of Christianity to my fraternity brothers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara and I, along with another fraternity brother of mine, whom she was dating, formed a group. We called ourselves Radicals for Christ\u2014published an underground Christian newspaper that we raised the money for\u2014had a secret, confidential post office box in another city in Arkansas that we got \/ where the correspondence could go to. We published these newspapers and tried to make Christ <em>the<\/em> issue on the campus; and frankly, did a pretty good job! I think they were wondering where all these Christians came from.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And there were a lot of them! There was a church that I ended up working in and being a part of where 25 percent of the student body came to that church. It was called University Baptist Church. H.D. McCarty was the pastor of that church. Together\u2014what was then Campus Crusade for Christ and is now Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we really\u2014we really did do a good job of making Christ relevant and <em>the<\/em> issue on campus: \u201cWhere do you stand with Him? He <em>is<\/em> the one who offers the way, the truth and the life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There was a couple who, as I understand it, they were on staff with Campus Crusade for Christ, in Fayetteville, at the University of Arkansas, that wound up being influential in your lives; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Very; very\u2014Don and Sally Meredith. In fact, really the woman who led Barbara to Christ\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis and Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014was Sally. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Don kind of took me under his wing, and mentored me, and discipled me. I was a part of Cru and was a part of the church. Barbara and I were friends. We were forming these underground Christian movements and organizations \/ secret organizations, storming the campus during student body elections. We ran \u201cChrist for Student Body President and Resident of Your Life\u201d and had His platform printed on a sheet of paper and had them all over campus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe just had a great time. Barbara and I were very, very good friends; but we were not dating.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Is that what you want to say about that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, I didn\u2019t know if we were going\u2014[Laughter]\u2014to continue to talk about Don and Sally or what the next question was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, if he\u2019s going to say, \u201cWe were not dating,\u201d I want to know: \u201cWhy not?!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, because he wouldn\u2019t ask me out!\u2014to be quite honest\u2014because I wanted to go out with him that first year that I met him. He\u2014he says he knew it, and he wasn\u2019t going to ask me. Is that ornery or what?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That really is!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Instead, I dated half of her sorority.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> He did! Yes; he did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I had\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> He wouldn\u2019t ask me out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think I had 17 blind dates in one month\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> He was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and it was a short month. It wasn\u2019t\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Why not\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> It was February. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Why not her?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> All I can answer is: \u201cIt wasn\u2019t time.\u201d I really don\u2019t know\u2014because I liked her \/ she was a good friend. Honestly, at that point in my life, I\u2019m glad I didn\u2019t date her. It might have not been good for her\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because I had a few things to learn. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll I can say is: \u201cProbably God had some things He wanted to work on in my life, where ultimately, as a single man, I had to give my dating life to God. I gave it to Him, and God didn\u2019t give it back for quite a while. The reason I gave it to God is I wanted God to take it and then make it what He wanted it to be so that, when I was able to start dating again, I\u2019d do the right thing.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s all I can answer. It\u2019s interesting\u2014I don\u2019t think I\u2019ve ever articulated quite that statement to Barbara ever before, but I don\u2019t think it would have been good for me to have dated her at that point.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That decision\u2014to give God your dating life\u2014was Don Meredith a part of coaching you \/ mentoring you in that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I don\u2019t remember him doing that. I think he was teaching a class to all the college kids about marriage and family\u2014how we needed to be holy, and we needed to be following God, making Christ the center of our lives, and doing what He tells us to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there were some areas of my life where I wasn\u2019t doing that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Marriage and family was really a big emphasis for Don and Sally, even in those days, at the University of Arkansas; right? What do you remember about that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, I just remember that they\u2014they seemed so much older to us\u2014but they were not but a few years older, but they had been married several years, and they had two kids\u2014that seemed like a lifetime to me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause they were discovering about marriage, personally \/ they were discovering the importance of the family and what all of that meant\u2014that what was on their heart\u2014so that was what they started teaching. I remember them teaching about the importance of having good, healthy dating relationships. I remember them teaching about the purpose for marriage. They were beginning to plant those seeds in all of us as they were learning them themselves.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to jump ahead\u2014I guess\u2014almost six years. You graduated from the University of Arkansas. You went to the University of South Carolina, Barbara\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and went on staff with Cru there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Dennis, you went on staff with the high school ministry of Cru in Dallas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The two of you reconnected in 1972 at <em>Expo \u201972<\/em>. That\u2019s where you <em>did<\/em> start to date and ultimately got married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It wasn\u2019t dating\u2014I had to show her around the town. [Laughter] She was a friend\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and I had to show her around. It just so happened that 52 days out of 55, I showed her around the town\u2014Dallas\/Fort Worth is a big city! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> It\u2019s a big city.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Laughing] There is a lot to show! It wasn\u2019t dating\u2014he says. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It wasn\u2019t!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But every day you were calling and saying, \u201cWould you like to see another part of the town today?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It really wasn\u2019t! We were\u2014yes\u2014we were kind of the talk of the office.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> We were\u2014we were both working in the same office. We were working on this huge conference called <em>Expo \u201972<\/em>. Because I was new to town and didn\u2019t know my way around, he offered to pick me up and take me into the office every day. It made sense: \u201cSave gas \/ why not?\u201d He picked me up every day, and we had lunch, and he took me home, and we\u2019d have dinner, and then he\u2019d pick me up the next day\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You left out that we\u2019d have dinner and then we\u2019d stay up\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, that part too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014talking until\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> We\u2019d stay up talking. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014midnight, one o\u2019clock \/ two o\u2019clock\u2014sitting out on the steps of her apartment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Lot to talk about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There\u2019s a lot to talk about!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s a big city! You\u2019ve got to show her the city!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Laughing] Okay! So you marry in 1972 \/ both of you on staff with Cru. You move to Boulder. You work with high school students in Boulder and then you decided seminary was a part of God\u2019s plan for your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Went to Dallas Theological Seminary. In the process of all this, started having kids. By the time we graduated, we had two. We\u2019d been a part of a small group of people who met with Don and Sally Meredith, talking about the possibility of Cru starting a marriage and family\u2014actually, a marriage preparation ministry \/ not a marriage and family ministry\u2014but a ministry just to the staff of Cru to help them prepare for marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you remember getting a call from Don or how you heard about this idea that was being explored?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Don was in Dallas. I was in Dallas, going to school. I\u2019m sure I was hanging out at his house. He said, \u201cThere\u2019s going to be a meeting in Colorado Springs with a number of leaders of Cru, and I\u2019d like you to come.\u201d Barbara and I flew out there. It was a cold\u2014seems to me like it was a cold February or March day and evening\u2014where we met together and talked about what the needs were in marriages and families back then.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt felt like there was a need to start some kind of emphasis that took the Bible and reduced it down to the fundamentals of what a marriage and family are all about to prepare the staff of Cru\u2014for those who wanted to be married\u2014to be married. The staff of Cru were required to go through this conference before they could get married. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you were on staff with Cru and you were engaged, you had to go\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014get the training that you guys were going to be providing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis was a new emphasis for Cru, and it was born out of some concern about\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014staff, who were getting married, and didn\u2019t understand what marriage was all about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. There were some casualties, on the marriage front, within Cru. This was just really primarily a ministry to the singles, who were either contemplating marriage or <em>engaged<\/em> to be married, to go through before they got married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you remember, Barbara, that meeting in Colorado Springs?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes; I do remember that. Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Were you intrigued? Were you thinking, \u201cThis\u2014this sounds really good!\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I remember being interested. I don\u2019t remember being necessarily <em>excited<\/em> about it. I just thought\u2014we were newly-married \/ we\u2019d been married maybe four years at the time\u2014it just seemed very small. The idea seemed very small, at the time, to me\u2014it wasn\u2019t this great, expansive idea or vision for what could be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What we actually talked about, Bob, was there\u2014there are really three relationships in life that, as human beings, we\u2019re not good at. One is your relationship with God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSecond is your relationship with your spouse; and third, your relationship with your kids! We thought: \u201cWhat a cool idea that you could, perhaps, be paid\u201d\u2014although not very much [Laughter] because you had to raise your own support\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cbut you could be paid to help other people have a relationship with God \/ a relationship with their spouse and their kids.\u201d It really was selfish! I\u2019d have to say I didn\u2019t have a vision for a ministry to be created\u2014I just thought: \u201cYes; this really makes sense! This is how the Bible starts\u2014the Bible starts with marriage \/ it ends with marriage. Marriage is central to what God is doing on planet earth. Let\u2019s get\u2014let\u2019s get in this thing and find out what God\u2019s up to,\u201d\u2014and in the process found out that He\u2019s up to a whole lot more than many of us understand through marriage and family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So the two of you\u2014together with Don and Sally Meredith and another couple, Mick and Helen Yoder\u2014you all said, \u201cOkay; let\u2019s do this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think you told me once, Dennis, that you were thinking, \u201cWe\u2019ll do this for a couple of years and then\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cpivot and head somewhere else in ministry.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You located in Little Rock. I\u2019ve had people ask me over and over again, \u201cWhy is <em>FamilyLife<\/em> in Little Rock?\u201d So, why is it? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, there are really two reasons for that. One\u2014there was a spiritual awakening at the University of Arkansas when we were students. There were a <em>lot<\/em> of kids \/ young people, who sunk some deep spiritual roots into their lives as a result of what happened there. A lot of them had gone all over the country and come back to Little Rock. One of the leaders of it were Don and Sally Meredith. They decided they wanted to get out of Dallas\u2014the Dallas\/Ft. Worth area. There are a lot of Christian ministries there \/ a lot of comparison. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI also wanted to get out of there as well. When I graduated from Dallas Seminary, I thought, \u201cI\u2019d just like to go somewhere where we can do what we\u2019re supposed to do and not compare\u2014and not look at something that\u2019s bigger, or better, or flashier\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014\u201cjust do what God\u2019s actually asking us to do.\u201d So we moved\u2014Barbara and I, along with Mick and Helen Yoder\u2014to Little Rock to join the Merediths and start what was then called, \u201cThe Marriage Preparation and Family Emphasis.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCampus Crusade for Christ\u2014now Cru\u2014did not want us to start another ministry \/ they wanted us to be an <em>emphasis<\/em>. It was really kind of funny at that point. Cru had started dozens of ministries\u2014I think 60\u2014and they didn\u2019t need another ministry. They certainly didn\u2019t want this to become a ministry\u2014there are many, many points, along the way, Bob, where it really became clear: This was a ministry that God wanted to launch in spite of what we, as men and women, wanted to do with it\u2014or didn\u2019t want to do with it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Later on this week our staff\u2014along with volunteers from all around the world, donors, friends\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014we\u2019re all gathering, here in Little Rock, for a couple of days to pull back and have a birthday party just to celebrate 40 years of ministry, here at <em>FamilyLife<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it\u2019s important for us to acknowledge here, Dennis, that none of what has happened over the last 40 years would have happened if it hadn\u2019t been for some very generous people\u2014folks who listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> \/ folks who believe in what we\u2019re doing\u2014who have come alongside us and have caught the vision for how we can provide practical biblical help and hope for marriages and families in our country and all around the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, I\u2019m thinking about the new mobile app that we have recently developed that makes it even easier for folks to access <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, every day, no matter where they are worldwide. If you have access to the web, and if you have the app on your iPhone or your Android device\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014whatever it is\u2014you can listen, not only to today\u2019s program, but to a collection of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> programs in case you\u2019ve missed any programs recently. If you don\u2019t have our new app, go to your app store for your device or go to FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019ve got information there about the app. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe also have, on our website, a pictorial history \/ a timeline of the ministry of <em>FamilyLife<\/em> that might be fun for listeners to look at. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com, and that\u2019s available to view online as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, if you would like to make a 40<sup>th<\/sup> birthday donation as a way of saying, \u201cThank you,\u201d to this ministry for how God has used FamilyLife to impact your marriage and your family, you can make that donation online at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate, or you can send an anniversary card \/ a birthday card and include a donation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMail it to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to hear about the very first <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways. Back then, they were simply called the FamilyLifeConference. We\u2019ll hear more about that tomorrow. Hope you can join us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2016 FamilyLife. 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Hear how FamilyLife began in 1976.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-07-25.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Back in 1976, when Dennis and Barbara Rainey joined with two other couples to help launch the Marriage and Family Emphasis of Campus Crusade for Christ<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, they all thought this would probably be a short-term assignment. Here\u2019s Dennis Rainey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019d have to say I didn\u2019t have vision for a ministry to be created. I just thought: \u201cYes, this really makes sense. This really\u2014this is how the Bible starts. The Bible starts with marriage \/ it ends with marriage. Marriage is central to what God\u2019s doing on planet earth. 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Thanks for joining us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Could I\u2014could I just do that, Bob, and just kind of kick off this? We\u2019re starting a series of special broadcasts here and\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you want to play the role I have played?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I just\u2014just at the very beginning, Bob. I just want to do it\u2014just hang with me. Here we go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Rewind the music \/ roll it out. There we go; okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. This is your host, Dennis Rainey. Ephesians, Chapter 3, verse 20, says: \u201cNow to Him who is able to do far more abundantly than all we ask or think, according to the power at work within us, to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, forever and ever. Amen.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo Him be the glory.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You thought to start with the benediction was the right place to start this week. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I thought it was only appropriate. As the listeners hear the roll out of how this whole thing got started, they know where the glory belongs.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There\u2019s a context to why we\u2019re talking about this this week. Our staff is assembling in Little Rock this week for a 40<sup>th<\/sup> anniversary celebration. Most of our radio listeners know this is our 40<sup>th<\/sup> anniversary year\u2014we\u2019ve been celebrating all-year long. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe way we\u2019ve been celebrating is by highlighting many of the stories of lives that have been impacted as a result of how God\u2019s Word has been shared through this ministry\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and the anniversaries we made happen. I was in Orlando, just a couple weeks ago, Bob, and a guy came up to me and said: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWe\u2019ve been to your conference, the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><strong><em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em><\/strong>, twice\u2014once, 20 years ago, when we were engaged\u2014decided to come back for a little spiritual wheel alignment \/ come back again. Thank you for what you do. You gave us the spiritual foundation that we built our marriage on; and once again, you\u2019ve helped us at a mid-course correction in the middle of our marriage.\u201d We\u2019re still doing it, Bob\u2014we\u2019re making anniversaries possible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re going to revisit some of the history of <em>FamilyLife<\/em> and allow our listeners, who don\u2019t know the whole story, to hear a little bit about how God has been at work through this ministry over the last 40 years. I\u2019m going to be asking both of you to do something really hard, and that is remembering details from 40 years ago. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, I was thinking about it\u2014when our daughter was born \/ Amy\u2014this is 35 years ago that she was born\u2014I remember details from that day. I mean, when significant things happen in your life, you remember some of the details.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe you didn\u2019t know just how significant those things were when they were happening; [Laughter] and I guess that\u2019s where I want to start. You both came to the University of Arkansas, as students, with something other than a spiritual mission in mind for your life; didn\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I did; although part of my story is that I chose to go to the University of Arkansas, which was out of state for me. It was also a school choice where I walked on that campus and didn\u2019t know a living soul. But I also made that choice because I wanted to do something different and in my heart\u2014I thought to myself: \u201cI think that there\u2019s something else to life. I think there is something else for me to discover; and if I stay too close to home, I\u2019m not going to find it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI didn\u2019t go seeking God because I didn\u2019t really know what I was looking for, but I went there because I felt like it would be a place to start over. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt felt like it would be a place that was fresh and different and I might\u2014I might learn something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If I had asked you, when you were a freshman: \u201cWhat\u2019s your major? What do you want to do when you graduate?\u201d would you have known?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh, I would have given you an answer, but I wasn\u2019t real confident in it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You were a history major?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> No; as a freshman, I was an art major and then a French major. How about that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay; and were you thinking, along the way, that you wanted to teach, or that you wanted to work in a museum, or\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> No; I just liked\u2014I had taken a lot of French in high school, and I had spent a summer in France, and it just made sense\u2014I love the language \/ I love the country. I just thought I\u2019d major in it because it was something I enjoyed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI loved art but I got into the art department and I didn\u2019t enjoy the classes\u2014all the prerequisites that I had to take\u2014I wasn\u2019t interested in sculpting \/ I wasn\u2019t interested in some of those things\u2014so that began to lose a little bit of its allure to me. French was much harder than I expected it to be! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> <em>Parlez-vous fran<\/em><em>\u00e7<\/em><em>ais<\/em>? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh, I could do that; but I couldn\u2019t read <em>Les Mis\u2019<\/em> in French. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was the first semester reading\u2014was to read that in French and then discuss it in French in class. My French was not that good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, gottcha! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[To Dennis] You transferred to the University of Arkansas after two years at junior college; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I was a has-been athlete. [Laughter] I spent my first two years at a small junior college, Crowder Junior College. I think it\u2019s now a four-year school near Neosho, Missouri. It had paid my way through school\u2014basketball and baseball together. I wasn\u2019t good enough at either one of them to get a full ride; but together, they paid my last semester all the way through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI came just at the beginning of a spiritual awakening in my life, and I did not choose the University of Arkansas for that reason. It was a little closer to home than Mizzou was\u2014I\u2019m from Missouri\u2014I also went out of state. I\u2019m really not sure why other than God providentially ordering my steps. I look back on it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and it was a life-altering decision, where I chose to go to college\u2014because it was there where I first really began to take some of my first spiritual baby steps at truly following Christ in the midst of a university setting that wasn\u2019t all that friendly to faith. There was a large faith movement\u2014followers of Christ were alive and well at the University of Arkansas\u2014and we saw even more people come to faith in Christ over our tenure there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI went on mission\u2014I went on as a representative of Christ. I knew God had a plan for me. I was excited about fitting in, wherever that was\u2014didn\u2019t know what it was at all. I was not thinking about full-time Christian work at that point.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You were both involved, in college, with Campus Crusade for Christ, which was experiencing, really, a revival\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014the early \u201870s on college campuses was a period of awakening. The Jesus Movement was happening \/ you were in the midst of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Campus Crusade was thriving on campus\u2014lots of young people coming. Tell us about the campus leaders at the University of Arkansas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> First of all, I want to say that it was because of Campus Crusade that I actually became a Christian. I was on the University of Arkansas campus. I would have said I was a Christian had anyone asked me, but I didn\u2019t understand what that meant. It was at a Bible study where I actually heard what it meant to be a Christian\u2014I heard that I needed to invite Christ in my life. I had never heard that concept before. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI went back to my room \/ my dorm room, and I reread the little booklet that she\u2019d given me and decided, \u201cThis is what I\u2019ve been looking for all my life.\u201d I invited Christ into my life at that moment. From the next day on, I was at every Bible study they ever had. I went to every conference I could find out about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was just this dry, dry sponge that was soaking up every word \/ every activity. It was all so new. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tImmediately, because the movement was very small at the time\u2014I mean, within a year, I think Dennis and I were two of the leaders only because we had been there some of the longest. We were leading\u2014at least I was\u2014I was leading a small group of girls. Once you could share your faith, and give your testimony, and lead a Bible study, you were in; and you were set free to go do that with others. It was a pretty rapid-growth kind of movement. We saw a lot of kids coming, and joining, and becoming a part, and receiving Christ. The meetings grew rapidly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I was\u2014I was in the process of joining a fraternity. I\u2019ll never forget\u2014they were recruiting me to join\u2014and I said, \u201cI\u2019m on a mission to represent Christ.\u201d And I remember those guys were going: \u201cOkay; come on. Bring it!\u201d I actually joined one, and immediately purchased Bibles, and passed out Bibles to all my pledge brothers\u201430 of them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI began to invite speakers into the fraternity to speak about the relevance of Christianity to my fraternity brothers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara and I, along with another fraternity brother of mine, whom she was dating, formed a group. We called ourselves Radicals for Christ\u2014published an underground Christian newspaper that we raised the money for\u2014had a secret, confidential post office box in another city in Arkansas that we got \/ where the correspondence could go to. We published these newspapers and tried to make Christ <em>the<\/em> issue on the campus; and frankly, did a pretty good job! I think they were wondering where all these Christians came from.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And there were a lot of them! There was a church that I ended up working in and being a part of where 25 percent of the student body came to that church. It was called University Baptist Church. H.D. McCarty was the pastor of that church. Together\u2014what was then Campus Crusade for Christ and is now Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we really\u2014we really did do a good job of making Christ relevant and <em>the<\/em> issue on campus: \u201cWhere do you stand with Him? He <em>is<\/em> the one who offers the way, the truth and the life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There was a couple who, as I understand it, they were on staff with Campus Crusade for Christ, in Fayetteville, at the University of Arkansas, that wound up being influential in your lives; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Very; very\u2014Don and Sally Meredith. In fact, really the woman who led Barbara to Christ\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis and Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014was Sally. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Don kind of took me under his wing, and mentored me, and discipled me. I was a part of Cru and was a part of the church. Barbara and I were friends. We were forming these underground Christian movements and organizations \/ secret organizations, storming the campus during student body elections. We ran \u201cChrist for Student Body President and Resident of Your Life\u201d and had His platform printed on a sheet of paper and had them all over campus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe just had a great time. Barbara and I were very, very good friends; but we were not dating.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Is that what you want to say about that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, I didn\u2019t know if we were going\u2014[Laughter]\u2014to continue to talk about Don and Sally or what the next question was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, if he\u2019s going to say, \u201cWe were not dating,\u201d I want to know: \u201cWhy not?!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, because he wouldn\u2019t ask me out!\u2014to be quite honest\u2014because I wanted to go out with him that first year that I met him. He\u2014he says he knew it, and he wasn\u2019t going to ask me. Is that ornery or what?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That really is!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Instead, I dated half of her sorority.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> He did! Yes; he did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I had\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> He wouldn\u2019t ask me out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think I had 17 blind dates in one month\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> He was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and it was a short month. It wasn\u2019t\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Why not\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> It was February. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Why not her?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> All I can answer is: \u201cIt wasn\u2019t time.\u201d I really don\u2019t know\u2014because I liked her \/ she was a good friend. Honestly, at that point in my life, I\u2019m glad I didn\u2019t date her. It might have not been good for her\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because I had a few things to learn. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll I can say is: \u201cProbably God had some things He wanted to work on in my life, where ultimately, as a single man, I had to give my dating life to God. I gave it to Him, and God didn\u2019t give it back for quite a while. The reason I gave it to God is I wanted God to take it and then make it what He wanted it to be so that, when I was able to start dating again, I\u2019d do the right thing.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s all I can answer. It\u2019s interesting\u2014I don\u2019t think I\u2019ve ever articulated quite that statement to Barbara ever before, but I don\u2019t think it would have been good for me to have dated her at that point.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That decision\u2014to give God your dating life\u2014was Don Meredith a part of coaching you \/ mentoring you in that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I don\u2019t remember him doing that. I think he was teaching a class to all the college kids about marriage and family\u2014how we needed to be holy, and we needed to be following God, making Christ the center of our lives, and doing what He tells us to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there were some areas of my life where I wasn\u2019t doing that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Marriage and family was really a big emphasis for Don and Sally, even in those days, at the University of Arkansas; right? What do you remember about that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, I just remember that they\u2014they seemed so much older to us\u2014but they were not but a few years older, but they had been married several years, and they had two kids\u2014that seemed like a lifetime to me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause they were discovering about marriage, personally \/ they were discovering the importance of the family and what all of that meant\u2014that what was on their heart\u2014so that was what they started teaching. I remember them teaching about the importance of having good, healthy dating relationships. I remember them teaching about the purpose for marriage. They were beginning to plant those seeds in all of us as they were learning them themselves.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to jump ahead\u2014I guess\u2014almost six years. You graduated from the University of Arkansas. You went to the University of South Carolina, Barbara\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014and went on staff with Cru there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Dennis, you went on staff with the high school ministry of Cru in Dallas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The two of you reconnected in 1972 at <em>Expo \u201972<\/em>. That\u2019s where you <em>did<\/em> start to date and ultimately got married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It wasn\u2019t dating\u2014I had to show her around the town. [Laughter] She was a friend\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and I had to show her around. It just so happened that 52 days out of 55, I showed her around the town\u2014Dallas\/Fort Worth is a big city! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> It\u2019s a big city.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Laughing] There is a lot to show! It wasn\u2019t dating\u2014he says. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It wasn\u2019t!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But every day you were calling and saying, \u201cWould you like to see another part of the town today?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It really wasn\u2019t! We were\u2014yes\u2014we were kind of the talk of the office.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> We were\u2014we were both working in the same office. We were working on this huge conference called <em>Expo \u201972<\/em>. Because I was new to town and didn\u2019t know my way around, he offered to pick me up and take me into the office every day. It made sense: \u201cSave gas \/ why not?\u201d He picked me up every day, and we had lunch, and he took me home, and we\u2019d have dinner, and then he\u2019d pick me up the next day\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You left out that we\u2019d have dinner and then we\u2019d stay up\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, that part too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014talking until\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> We\u2019d stay up talking. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014midnight, one o\u2019clock \/ two o\u2019clock\u2014sitting out on the steps of her apartment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Lot to talk about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There\u2019s a lot to talk about!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s a big city! You\u2019ve got to show her the city!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Laughing] Okay! So you marry in 1972 \/ both of you on staff with Cru. You move to Boulder. You work with high school students in Boulder and then you decided seminary was a part of God\u2019s plan for your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Went to Dallas Theological Seminary. In the process of all this, started having kids. By the time we graduated, we had two. We\u2019d been a part of a small group of people who met with Don and Sally Meredith, talking about the possibility of Cru starting a marriage and family\u2014actually, a marriage preparation ministry \/ not a marriage and family ministry\u2014but a ministry just to the staff of Cru to help them prepare for marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you remember getting a call from Don or how you heard about this idea that was being explored?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Don was in Dallas. I was in Dallas, going to school. I\u2019m sure I was hanging out at his house. He said, \u201cThere\u2019s going to be a meeting in Colorado Springs with a number of leaders of Cru, and I\u2019d like you to come.\u201d Barbara and I flew out there. It was a cold\u2014seems to me like it was a cold February or March day and evening\u2014where we met together and talked about what the needs were in marriages and families back then.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt felt like there was a need to start some kind of emphasis that took the Bible and reduced it down to the fundamentals of what a marriage and family are all about to prepare the staff of Cru\u2014for those who wanted to be married\u2014to be married. The staff of Cru were required to go through this conference before they could get married. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you were on staff with Cru and you were engaged, you had to go\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014get the training that you guys were going to be providing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis was a new emphasis for Cru, and it was born out of some concern about\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014staff, who were getting married, and didn\u2019t understand what marriage was all about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. There were some casualties, on the marriage front, within Cru. This was just really primarily a ministry to the singles, who were either contemplating marriage or <em>engaged<\/em> to be married, to go through before they got married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you remember, Barbara, that meeting in Colorado Springs?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes; I do remember that. Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Were you intrigued? Were you thinking, \u201cThis\u2014this sounds really good!\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I remember being interested. I don\u2019t remember being necessarily <em>excited<\/em> about it. I just thought\u2014we were newly-married \/ we\u2019d been married maybe four years at the time\u2014it just seemed very small. The idea seemed very small, at the time, to me\u2014it wasn\u2019t this great, expansive idea or vision for what could be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What we actually talked about, Bob, was there\u2014there are really three relationships in life that, as human beings, we\u2019re not good at. One is your relationship with God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSecond is your relationship with your spouse; and third, your relationship with your kids! We thought: \u201cWhat a cool idea that you could, perhaps, be paid\u201d\u2014although not very much [Laughter] because you had to raise your own support\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cbut you could be paid to help other people have a relationship with God \/ a relationship with their spouse and their kids.\u201d It really was selfish! I\u2019d have to say I didn\u2019t have a vision for a ministry to be created\u2014I just thought: \u201cYes; this really makes sense! This is how the Bible starts\u2014the Bible starts with marriage \/ it ends with marriage. Marriage is central to what God is doing on planet earth. Let\u2019s get\u2014let\u2019s get in this thing and find out what God\u2019s up to,\u201d\u2014and in the process found out that He\u2019s up to a whole lot more than many of us understand through marriage and family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So the two of you\u2014together with Don and Sally Meredith and another couple, Mick and Helen Yoder\u2014you all said, \u201cOkay; let\u2019s do this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think you told me once, Dennis, that you were thinking, \u201cWe\u2019ll do this for a couple of years and then\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cpivot and head somewhere else in ministry.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You located in Little Rock. I\u2019ve had people ask me over and over again, \u201cWhy is <em>FamilyLife<\/em> in Little Rock?\u201d So, why is it? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, there are really two reasons for that. One\u2014there was a spiritual awakening at the University of Arkansas when we were students. There were a <em>lot<\/em> of kids \/ young people, who sunk some deep spiritual roots into their lives as a result of what happened there. A lot of them had gone all over the country and come back to Little Rock. One of the leaders of it were Don and Sally Meredith. They decided they wanted to get out of Dallas\u2014the Dallas\/Ft. Worth area. There are a lot of Christian ministries there \/ a lot of comparison. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI also wanted to get out of there as well. When I graduated from Dallas Seminary, I thought, \u201cI\u2019d just like to go somewhere where we can do what we\u2019re supposed to do and not compare\u2014and not look at something that\u2019s bigger, or better, or flashier\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014\u201cjust do what God\u2019s actually asking us to do.\u201d So we moved\u2014Barbara and I, along with Mick and Helen Yoder\u2014to Little Rock to join the Merediths and start what was then called, \u201cThe Marriage Preparation and Family Emphasis.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCampus Crusade for Christ\u2014now Cru\u2014did not want us to start another ministry \/ they wanted us to be an <em>emphasis<\/em>. It was really kind of funny at that point. Cru had started dozens of ministries\u2014I think 60\u2014and they didn\u2019t need another ministry. They certainly didn\u2019t want this to become a ministry\u2014there are many, many points, along the way, Bob, where it really became clear: This was a ministry that God wanted to launch in spite of what we, as men and women, wanted to do with it\u2014or didn\u2019t want to do with it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Later on this week our staff\u2014along with volunteers from all around the world, donors, friends\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014we\u2019re all gathering, here in Little Rock, for a couple of days to pull back and have a birthday party just to celebrate 40 years of ministry, here at <em>FamilyLife<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it\u2019s important for us to acknowledge here, Dennis, that none of what has happened over the last 40 years would have happened if it hadn\u2019t been for some very generous people\u2014folks who listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> \/ folks who believe in what we\u2019re doing\u2014who have come alongside us and have caught the vision for how we can provide practical biblical help and hope for marriages and families in our country and all around the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, I\u2019m thinking about the new mobile app that we have recently developed that makes it even easier for folks to access <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, every day, no matter where they are worldwide. If you have access to the web, and if you have the app on your iPhone or your Android device\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014whatever it is\u2014you can listen, not only to today\u2019s program, but to a collection of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> programs in case you\u2019ve missed any programs recently. If you don\u2019t have our new app, go to your app store for your device or go to FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019ve got information there about the app. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe also have, on our website, a pictorial history \/ a timeline of the ministry of <em>FamilyLife<\/em> that might be fun for listeners to look at. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com, and that\u2019s available to view online as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, if you would like to make a 40<sup>th<\/sup> birthday donation as a way of saying, \u201cThank you,\u201d to this ministry for how God has used FamilyLife to impact your marriage and your family, you can make that donation online at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate, or you can send an anniversary card \/ a birthday card and include a donation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMail it to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to hear about the very first <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways. Back then, they were simply called the FamilyLifeConference. We\u2019ll hear more about that tomorrow. 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