{"id":304094,"date":"2016-07-21T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2016-07-21T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/following-god-together\/"},"modified":"2016-07-21T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2016-07-21T15:00:00","slug":"following-god-together","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/following-god-together\/","title":{"rendered":"Following God Together"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>After almost four decades of marriage, Joni Tada&#8217;s marriage to Ken has refined into an exquisite portrait of God&#8217;s sufficient grace.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-07-21.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"28.02M","filesize_raw":"29380985","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2849,2885,2860],"tags":[4350,6050,6048,4663,6049],"podcast_series":[7943],"cwp_profile":[9064],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-304094","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-drifting-apart","category-good-marriages-made-better","category-hardship-and-suffering","tag-character","tag-commitment-in-marriage","tag-gods-grace","tag-quadriplegic","tag-refining-faith","podcast_series-an-untold-love-story","cwp_profile-ken-and-joni-tada","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/304094\/following-god-together","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/304094\/following-god-together","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"DnwK7UiY30\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/following-god-together\/\">Following God Together<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/following-god-together\/embed\/#?secret=DnwK7UiY30\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Following God Together&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"DnwK7UiY30\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Here\u2019s Joni Eareckson Tada.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Sit down, one time, with your spouse and just talk about, \u201cWhat is the big picture?\u201d Then, commit to make that your goal. For Ken and me\u2014I trust for most Christian couples\u2014it is heaven \/ it is the finish line. It is hearing those wonderful words, \u201cWell done, good and faithful servant.\u201d That\u2019s what we want to hear! That\u2019s what we\u2019re living for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, July 21<sup>st<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll hear from Joni and Ken Tada today about how living with heaven in mind \/ with the finish line in mind can have an impact on your marriage today. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks for joining us on the Thursday edition. One of my favorite passages of Scripture is in 2 Corinthians, Chapter 5. It talks about how Christians are new creatures in Christ; and then, goes on to say that we\u2019re ambassadors. We live as citizens in one kingdom\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014but we\u2019re living in a different kingdom, representing the homeland \/ representing our King. I was thinking about that today because I was thinking: \u201cWe\u2019re all ambassadors; but sometimes, when some ambassadors get up to speak, I cringe a little bit at how that ambassador is going to represent the Kingdom. I\u2019ve never had that cringe happen when I hear our guests get up to speak and represent the Kingdom.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No; there\u2019s something that resonates within the spirit that they should take the stage, and the podium, and the pulpit, and tell it like it is because they have lived in the presence of Jesus Christ in ways that we\u2019re going to talk about today. We\u2019re going to talk about a great love story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKen and Joni Eareckson Tada join us on <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>again. Welcome back, you guys. It\u2019s good to have you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>Thank you, Dennis; and thank you, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Well, what an introduction, Bob. My goodness! How, I want to be a good ambassador for Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You always have been! You always have been.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Oh, let me never just defame the good name of Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, Joni, you\u2019ve written over 50 books. Ken, you are a world-class fly fisherman. You told me that yourself. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Yes; he is. He really is! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>I am <em>not<\/em> a world-class fly fisherman.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But here, I\u2019m just juxtaposing\u2014you\u2019ve written 50 books \/ you can catch fish\u2014way to go \/ a great team! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>Yes; I guess there is some connection right there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s a great team. Ken leads these outfitter adventures. In fact, it\u2019s called \u201cThe Wild Adventure\u201din Montana.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m going to get on one of those one of these days because I can wet a fly too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>That\u2019s a lead-in to that book because this book is for men\u2014the book that we just wrote.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>This really is a book\u2014and Joni, you said it earlier. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, why don\u2019t you comment on this book? It\u2019s called <em>Joni and Ken: An Untold Love Story.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Say what you told me, just before we came on the air.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Well, I think the subtitle: <em>An Untold Love Story<\/em>\u2014it is really Ken\u2019s story. It\u2019s an untold story about him. We have never peeled back the layers of our marriage quite like we have in this most-recent book; but after we crested 30 years of marriage, we looked at one another and thought: \u201cYou know\u2014we\u2019re not experts\u2014we\u2019ve never been to seminary \/ we\u2019re not family counselors. But after three decades of quadriplegia\u2014then, chronic pain and quadriplegia\u2014then, breast cancer, and chronic pain, and quadriplegia\u2014in some ways, that\u2019s given us\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014some new fresh platform \/ a kind of an authority to speak to other couples about what commitment really is.\u201d But it\u2019s <em>Ken\u2019s<\/em> commitment that comes shining through the pages of this book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I really want to disagree with you about the seminary thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Oh, come on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think you have both been to the ultimate seminary\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014every day\u2014experiencing God and seeing Him at work in your lives, your marriage, and sharing that together. I have to say, as I told you earlier, your book really is quite a love story. It\u2019s a paradox. It\u2019s not at all the warm fuzzy that Hollywood would tell.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>No. When Ken and I married\u2014well, I should say before we married, we had lots of friends\u2014not all of them believers \/ not all of them followers of Jesus\u2014who suggested, that since I was a quadriplegic, that Ken and I should go away\u2014try it out for a weekend \/ see if this was going to work: \u201cKen, can you handle it?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut Ken and I just decided we weren\u2019t going to do that. We weren\u2019t going to violate our convictions. So, we went into this marriage, saying: \u201cI do, for better or for worse, in sickness and in health,\u201d really not knowing how challenging those 24\/7, non-stop, daily, dreary routines of my disability could be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe call those years in our marriage the tired middle years. The first ten years \/ fifteen years of our marriage were <em>extremely<\/em> difficult.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>It made for an interesting honeymoon [chuckle] you know, and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You really spell that out in the book, but I want to take you back to where you start the book. You begin with this romantic date that you\u2019re on, where you declare to Ken that cancer had been a gift. I want you to tell that story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s hard to say it in 25 words or less; but Dennis, Ken has often said: \u201cJoni, I don\u2019t get why God has given you cancer. I mean\u2014quadriplegic, chronic pain\u2014what\u2019s God doing?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember saying to Ken: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI think there was a time that probably the devil approached the throne of God and said: \u2018Okay. You see that 17-year-old girl down there, having such fun? You give me permission to smack her with a broken neck. Then, let\u2019s see if she\u2019ll name your good name.\u2019 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cOkay; so God grants Satan permission. I break my neck, and I honor the Lord. Then, a few years later, I get married. Another decade later, I deal with chronic pain: \u2018Okay; let\u2019s see if she\u2019s going to disown you now, God. Let me give her chronic pain.\u2019 And I come through, by the grace of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cThen, the devil comes back to the throne of God and says, \u2018Okay; so she trusts you with chronic pain and quadriplegia; but you just let me smack her with cancer. Then, I know she will really give it up \/ she\u2019ll cave in. She will no longer follow you, God.\u2019 And I <em>have<\/em>, but it\u2019s only by the grace of God. I have no strength within myself\u2014it\u2019s all the grace of God.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said to Ken: \u201cIt\u2019s been a gift because it\u2019s not only, I think, strengthened my confidence in my Savior\u2019s ability to sustain; but it\u2019s given me such a <em>huge<\/em> appreciation for this guy, sitting next to me\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014the man who practices Christianity, with his sleeves rolled up, every single day, when he helps me with those day-to-day routines. They\u2019re not getting easier \/ they\u2019re getting <em>harder<\/em>\u2014we\u2019re getting older. Yet, the disciplines we learned through chronic pain and quadriplegia have sustained us, not only through cancer, but are now sustaining us as we head into our late 60s.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That story you told about Satan going before God sounded like another story I\u2019ve heard about that happening to another guy. I don\u2019t know if you\u2019re familiar with the story\u2014a guy named Job?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>That guy, Job.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. There\u2019s a point in Job\u2019s story where, after a long period of time, he goes and says: \u201cOkay, God. I would like some answers now, and I feel like I\u2019ve earned them.\u201d Have you ever had a moment like that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>I did, early-on. I really wrestled with what God was doing. In fact, when I broke my neck at such a young age\u2014at the age of 17\u2014I was extremely fearful of what God might do next to refine my faith: \u201cOh, my goodness! If You start with a broken neck, like what\u2019s\u201d\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cWhere does it go from there?\u201d Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>\u201c\u2014where does it go from there?\u201d But honestly, Bob, as I shared that scenario, the devil going before the throne of God\u2014and here I have quadriplegia, chronic pain, cancer\u2014I guess I\u2019m at the age, now, where it has become somewhat invigorating:\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOh my goodness!\u00a0 God thinks I can really step up to this plate and swing at this ball? He really thinks I can do that, with His grace? Well, I\u2019m not going to let Him down. I\u2019m not going to disappoint Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m certainly not going to give Satan, on the opposing team, the advantage. I\u2019m going to swing at this ball. By the grace of God, and God alone, we\u2019re going to hit a home run because that ball is heading to heaven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s right on the horizon, and I don\u2019t want to do anything that\u2019s going to demerit my capacity for joy, and worship, and service in heaven. I want to\u2014I just want to trust that God <em>knows <\/em>what He\u2019s doing in my life! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think Ken and I, together in our marriage, have sensed that, as we move on, year after year, in our life together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>But I have to say this, Bob. When Joni was first diagnosed with cancer, Jesus and I had some long conversations because, at 45 years in a wheelchair, I\u2019m thinking to myself and asking God: \u201cWhy? Why Joni? After all this time, why would You allow her to have this cancer?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt didn\u2019t come to us right away. It caused us \/ the initial diagnosis caused us to stop and reflect on what was important. As time went on, and we got into the chemo, and everything else, what we discovered was: \u201cJoni is such a great communicator. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cShe\u2019s been a great communicator for the disabled community\u2014why not cancer?\u201d We\u2019ve seen Him, during this journey, how much God has used her to be able to speak to that very area\u2014people who have had cancer. And not only that, the people we have come in contact with because of the cancer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>The nurses.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>The nurses, the oncological surgeon, the oncologist, the\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni:<\/strong> \u2014the x-ray technician.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>The x-ray technicians.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Blood test people, surgeons\u2014everybody.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>And we always try to insert the name of Jesus when we talk to these folks. We would have never had that opportunity without the cancer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I want you both to comment on this because, again, Ken, this is not just Joni\u2019s disease. It\u2019s <em>our<\/em> disease\u2014you, as a couple; okay? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I was praying and thinking about talking with you guys today, I was taken back to Romans 8\u2014to a passage that Randy Alcorn spoke to our staff, back in March 24, 2010\u2014it\u2019s Roman\u2019s 8:18: \u201cFor I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Comment on that, Ken, because\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>Well, how do we, as human beings that love Christ, show our love for Christ? Oftentimes, we say it and we pray it; but we don\u2019t get a chance to demonstrate it. Here\u2019s an opportunity for us, during this time, to honor God and to be able to show, in a tangible sense, and execute what we believe\u2014that God is the Sovereign God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, for us, we\u2019ve just learned to trust Him more. Both Joni and I have said, at some point, there\u2019s going to come a time when either one or both of us are going to have another diagnosis. So, it\u2019s prepared us for the other side of eternity. But for this side of eternity, we are just so thankful that God has given us this opportunity just to show Him how much we love Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>I think of that verse so often\u2014Romans 8:18\u2014when Ken and I have a disagreement or when we get haggling over the small, petty stuff. Invariably, one of us will stop\u2014most recently it was Ken\u2014when we were in the car, arguing about something. He stopped, pulled over and said: \u201cJoni, what\u2019s the big picture?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s a big-picture verse that you just read\u2014\u201cWhat is the big picture? Why are we in this? Where are we going? What\u2019s our goal?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe big picture for us <em>is<\/em> the other side of eternity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKen and I, together as a couple, do not want to disappoint our Savior, Who has invested <em>so much in us<\/em>\u2014my goodness\u2014His own blood in us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFriends, listening, I don\u2019t know if you haggle with your husbands but sit down, one time, with your spouse and just talk about \/ sketch it out: \u201cWhat is the big picture?\u201d Then, commit to make that your goal. For Ken and me\u2014I trust for most Christian couples\u2014it is heaven \/ it is the finish line. It is the end of the good fight. It is hearing those wonderful words, \u201cWell done, good and faithful servant.\u201d That\u2019s what we want to hear! That\u2019s what we\u2019re living for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And Joni, there\u2019s another verse that\u2019s like Romans 8:18\u2014it\u2019s the one in \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t2 Corinthians 4\u2014that says that what we\u2019re going through is light and momentary afflictions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Yes. Then, it says, \u201cTherefore, do not lose heart.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do you really think what you\u2019re going through is a light and momentary affliction?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>This is where faith really kicks in, Bob, because I have to believe that the cosmic stakes are so high\u2014that the joy that I\u2019m going to experience in heaven is so great \/ that is so out of this world\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that in comparison to <em>that<\/em>, indeed, my troubles are light and momentary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s why I shared, earlier, how<em> invigorated<\/em> I am, and what a robust, rugged wonderful\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014it\u2019s a man-sized faith that I can have if I would but not complain and trust God with the challenges. Again, it\u2019s not just me espousing this\u2014it\u2019s Ken and I, as a couple\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014doing it together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>\u2014doing it together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, it would be one thing for me to say that, but for you two to say that in your book\u2014I\u2019ve been through your book, you know. You\u2019re really talking about some of the most challenging circumstances two human beings could possibly face in a lifetime.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Well, to be fair, I\u2019ve got some great girlfriends who help me get up in the morning and lay down at night; but still, the bulk of the burden often rests on Ken, especially getting up at three o\u2019clock \/ four o\u2019clock in the morning, every single night, to turn me \/ to reposition me in bed so that I don\u2019t get pressure sores, to re-tuck my pillows, then to go back to sleep. That\u2019s every single night for 31 years of our marriage! That has not altered one bit\u2014that\u2019s a lot!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI will never forget the time I had double pneumonia in the midst of my cancer. Ken was up for nine, ten, eleven, twelve days\u2014every single night\u2014five or six, seven, eight times\u2014pushing on my abdomen, pounding on my chest, pushing on my back: \u201cCome on, you\u2014cough, cough. Come on, cough.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember him whispering, in the middle of it all, \u201cSo is this the <em>worse<\/em> part of the \u2018for better or worse\u2019?\u201d I said, \u201cThis is the <em>worse<\/em> part. This is, but we\u2019re going to get through it.\u201d Even then, to voice our vows, in the midst of such a terrible ordeal, was invigorating and, I think, soul-strengthening.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>I think if we were to look back on our married life, we could not have written this book, three years into our marriage\u2014not that we\u2019re experts now. Thirty years doesn\u2019t make an expert. There are many who are married a lot longer, but I think God has brought us on this journey together, as a couple. It\u2019s been a journey, well-fought for. The lessons that we\u2019ve learned have just been lessons that I wouldn\u2019t trade for anything.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. I think you\u2019re both hinting at a question I wanted to ask because, in your book, you write about, Joni, how you prayed for this black-haired guy in church \/ you didn\u2019t know who he was. You were kind of squirming around in your chair there and decided you\u2019d pray for this guy you didn\u2019t know. Later on, he became your husband. I mean, Wow! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut he told you he loved you about a year into the relationship, as I recall. Is that right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s the question I want to ask both of you: \u201cYou said you loved her. Today, you know what it means to truly love. Do your best to explain what love is.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>I think, if I were to describe what love is\u2014it\u2019s the love that I sense Jesus has for us. When Christ came and said that He came to serve, I just think, \u201cHow good of God to put me in this position that I could serve Him through serving my wife.\u201d Having a wife, who is of like-mind and loves Jesus, means everything. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s what\u2019s been sustaining for both of us, over these past 30 years\u2014and\u00a0 especially, over these past few years, that we\u2019ve had to deal with the cancer. She\u2019s my best friend \/ she\u2019s my biggest supporter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I would say this\u2014I would say that we don\u2019t honor our vows like we [our culture] once did\u2014you know: \u201cfor better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health.\u201d We don\u2019t do that. Not that I\u2014I\u2019m still working at it\u2014but I would love for this particular book to reach out and touch the lives of men and their hearts and say: \u201cHey, step up to the plate. Honor your vows and honor your commitment that you made to your wife\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cand you\u2019ll be a better person for it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cand you\u2019ll be a better person.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Joni?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Well, mine\u2019s a little more romantic, I guess; but I know that Ken loves me because he <em>likes me<\/em> \/ he wants to be with me\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014I\u2019m<em> home<\/em> for him. As Dr. Robert Mount said, \u201cHome is moveable.\u201d When I\u2019m in another room, Ken enjoys being with me. He enjoys bringing his fish magazines in and sitting with me\u2014and that he chooses me, that he prefers me, that he wants to be with me, that he likes me\u2014[emotion in voice] in spite of all the stuff that often accompanies what \u201cme\u201d is\u2014that he chooses me, and likes me, and prefers me is so sweet to me, as a woman. It touches my heart like nothing else. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, that fosters so much more affection for my husband when I see him choose me, be proud of me, speak about me on the phone to his buddies\u2014tell his best friend, who is an outfitter up in Montana \/ a rough-and-tumble mountain man, who shoots elk with a bow and arrow, who is an expert fly fisherman\u2014he\u2019s just an incredible guy\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014Ken has always said of him, \u201cGee, I want that guy in my foxhole.\u201d But to hear him say, on the phone, one night, to that man, Chris: \u201cChris, I\u2019ve always wanted you in my foxhole. Watching my wife and her courage\u2014oh my goodness\u2014I want her to have my back. I want her to be in my foxhole.\u201d Boy, that\u2019s <em>music<\/em> to my ears.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>Yes. Joni says it very well; but when I made that phone call, one of the things that we have discussed is that we are all in a spiritual battle. Chris is a brother in Christ. As Joni mentioned, he is your quintessential mountain man. I watched Joni, during this cancer journey, and I saw the warrior that she is. She is truly a warrior\u2014fighting through all these\u2014the pain and, now, the cancer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I called Chris and I said, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cChris, I have to tell you that after having watched my wife, I want you in that foxhole with me if we\u2019re going to battle; but I\u2019d like my wife in there first because I know she\u2019ll watch my back.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \u201cI know you\u2019re a good shot with a bow and arrow. [Laughter] I want the shield\u2014my shield and my hero\u2014in there with me.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, you guys are heroes to many. We need models, like you guys, who are running the race, all the way to the finish line of heaven\u2014and maybe, not always with a smile on your face\u2014but you\u2019re not quitting. I think your book is just an unvarnished look at a real relationship that has had some very, very dark valleys that haven\u2019t been momentary. They have gone on for years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I just commend it to our listeners to read together, as a couple\u2014both husbands and wives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We have copies of the book\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it\u2019s called <em>An Untold Love Story<\/em>. You can go to our website at FamilyLifeToday.com to order the story of Joni and Ken\u2019s marriage: <em>An Untold Love Story<\/em>. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order, or call 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re hearing more and more from listeners, who are saying, \u201cI listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> sometimes on my local radio station but often I\u2019m listening to it as a podcast or listening to it on the new <em>FamilyLife<\/em> mobile app.\u201d I don\u2019t know if you\u2019ve downloaded the <em>FamilyLife<\/em> app to your iPhone or to your Android device yet, but this new app gives you the opportunity to catch up on past <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> programs and listen to today\u2019s program. 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Here\u2019s Joni Eareckson Tada.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Sit down, one time, with your spouse and just talk about, \u201cWhat is the big picture?\u201d Then, commit to make that your goal. For Ken and me\u2014I trust for most Christian couples\u2014it is heaven \/ it is the finish line. It is hearing those wonderful words, \u201cWell done, good and faithful servant.\u201d That\u2019s what we want to hear! That\u2019s what we\u2019re living for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, July 21<sup>st<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll hear from Joni and Ken Tada today about how living with heaven in mind \/ with the finish line in mind can have an impact on your marriage today. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks for joining us on the Thursday edition. One of my favorite passages of Scripture is in 2 Corinthians, Chapter 5. It talks about how Christians are new creatures in Christ; and then, goes on to say that we\u2019re ambassadors. We live as citizens in one kingdom\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014but we\u2019re living in a different kingdom, representing the homeland \/ representing our King. I was thinking about that today because I was thinking: \u201cWe\u2019re all ambassadors; but sometimes, when some ambassadors get up to speak, I cringe a little bit at how that ambassador is going to represent the Kingdom. I\u2019ve never had that cringe happen when I hear our guests get up to speak and represent the Kingdom.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No; there\u2019s something that resonates within the spirit that they should take the stage, and the podium, and the pulpit, and tell it like it is because they have lived in the presence of Jesus Christ in ways that we\u2019re going to talk about today. We\u2019re going to talk about a great love story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKen and Joni Eareckson Tada join us on <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>again. Welcome back, you guys. It\u2019s good to have you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>Thank you, Dennis; and thank you, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Well, what an introduction, Bob. My goodness! How, I want to be a good ambassador for Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You always have been! You always have been.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Oh, let me never just defame the good name of Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, Joni, you\u2019ve written over 50 books. Ken, you are a world-class fly fisherman. You told me that yourself. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Yes; he is. He really is! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>I am <em>not<\/em> a world-class fly fisherman.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But here, I\u2019m just juxtaposing\u2014you\u2019ve written 50 books \/ you can catch fish\u2014way to go \/ a great team! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>Yes; I guess there is some connection right there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s a great team. Ken leads these outfitter adventures. In fact, it\u2019s called \u201cThe Wild Adventure\u201din Montana.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m going to get on one of those one of these days because I can wet a fly too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>That\u2019s a lead-in to that book because this book is for men\u2014the book that we just wrote.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>This really is a book\u2014and Joni, you said it earlier. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, why don\u2019t you comment on this book? It\u2019s called <em>Joni and Ken: An Untold Love Story.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Say what you told me, just before we came on the air.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Well, I think the subtitle: <em>An Untold Love Story<\/em>\u2014it is really Ken\u2019s story. It\u2019s an untold story about him. We have never peeled back the layers of our marriage quite like we have in this most-recent book; but after we crested 30 years of marriage, we looked at one another and thought: \u201cYou know\u2014we\u2019re not experts\u2014we\u2019ve never been to seminary \/ we\u2019re not family counselors. But after three decades of quadriplegia\u2014then, chronic pain and quadriplegia\u2014then, breast cancer, and chronic pain, and quadriplegia\u2014in some ways, that\u2019s given us\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014some new fresh platform \/ a kind of an authority to speak to other couples about what commitment really is.\u201d But it\u2019s <em>Ken\u2019s<\/em> commitment that comes shining through the pages of this book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I really want to disagree with you about the seminary thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Oh, come on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think you have both been to the ultimate seminary\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014every day\u2014experiencing God and seeing Him at work in your lives, your marriage, and sharing that together. I have to say, as I told you earlier, your book really is quite a love story. It\u2019s a paradox. It\u2019s not at all the warm fuzzy that Hollywood would tell.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>No. When Ken and I married\u2014well, I should say before we married, we had lots of friends\u2014not all of them believers \/ not all of them followers of Jesus\u2014who suggested, that since I was a quadriplegic, that Ken and I should go away\u2014try it out for a weekend \/ see if this was going to work: \u201cKen, can you handle it?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut Ken and I just decided we weren\u2019t going to do that. We weren\u2019t going to violate our convictions. So, we went into this marriage, saying: \u201cI do, for better or for worse, in sickness and in health,\u201d really not knowing how challenging those 24\/7, non-stop, daily, dreary routines of my disability could be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe call those years in our marriage the tired middle years. The first ten years \/ fifteen years of our marriage were <em>extremely<\/em> difficult.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>It made for an interesting honeymoon [chuckle] you know, and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You really spell that out in the book, but I want to take you back to where you start the book. You begin with this romantic date that you\u2019re on, where you declare to Ken that cancer had been a gift. I want you to tell that story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s hard to say it in 25 words or less; but Dennis, Ken has often said: \u201cJoni, I don\u2019t get why God has given you cancer. I mean\u2014quadriplegic, chronic pain\u2014what\u2019s God doing?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember saying to Ken: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI think there was a time that probably the devil approached the throne of God and said: \u2018Okay. You see that 17-year-old girl down there, having such fun? You give me permission to smack her with a broken neck. Then, let\u2019s see if she\u2019ll name your good name.\u2019 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cOkay; so God grants Satan permission. I break my neck, and I honor the Lord. Then, a few years later, I get married. Another decade later, I deal with chronic pain: \u2018Okay; let\u2019s see if she\u2019s going to disown you now, God. Let me give her chronic pain.\u2019 And I come through, by the grace of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cThen, the devil comes back to the throne of God and says, \u2018Okay; so she trusts you with chronic pain and quadriplegia; but you just let me smack her with cancer. Then, I know she will really give it up \/ she\u2019ll cave in. She will no longer follow you, God.\u2019 And I <em>have<\/em>, but it\u2019s only by the grace of God. I have no strength within myself\u2014it\u2019s all the grace of God.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said to Ken: \u201cIt\u2019s been a gift because it\u2019s not only, I think, strengthened my confidence in my Savior\u2019s ability to sustain; but it\u2019s given me such a <em>huge<\/em> appreciation for this guy, sitting next to me\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014the man who practices Christianity, with his sleeves rolled up, every single day, when he helps me with those day-to-day routines. They\u2019re not getting easier \/ they\u2019re getting <em>harder<\/em>\u2014we\u2019re getting older. Yet, the disciplines we learned through chronic pain and quadriplegia have sustained us, not only through cancer, but are now sustaining us as we head into our late 60s.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That story you told about Satan going before God sounded like another story I\u2019ve heard about that happening to another guy. I don\u2019t know if you\u2019re familiar with the story\u2014a guy named Job?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>That guy, Job.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. There\u2019s a point in Job\u2019s story where, after a long period of time, he goes and says: \u201cOkay, God. I would like some answers now, and I feel like I\u2019ve earned them.\u201d Have you ever had a moment like that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>I did, early-on. I really wrestled with what God was doing. In fact, when I broke my neck at such a young age\u2014at the age of 17\u2014I was extremely fearful of what God might do next to refine my faith: \u201cOh, my goodness! If You start with a broken neck, like what\u2019s\u201d\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cWhere does it go from there?\u201d Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>\u201c\u2014where does it go from there?\u201d But honestly, Bob, as I shared that scenario, the devil going before the throne of God\u2014and here I have quadriplegia, chronic pain, cancer\u2014I guess I\u2019m at the age, now, where it has become somewhat invigorating:\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOh my goodness!\u00a0 God thinks I can really step up to this plate and swing at this ball? He really thinks I can do that, with His grace? Well, I\u2019m not going to let Him down. I\u2019m not going to disappoint Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m certainly not going to give Satan, on the opposing team, the advantage. I\u2019m going to swing at this ball. By the grace of God, and God alone, we\u2019re going to hit a home run because that ball is heading to heaven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s right on the horizon, and I don\u2019t want to do anything that\u2019s going to demerit my capacity for joy, and worship, and service in heaven. I want to\u2014I just want to trust that God <em>knows <\/em>what He\u2019s doing in my life! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think Ken and I, together in our marriage, have sensed that, as we move on, year after year, in our life together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>But I have to say this, Bob. When Joni was first diagnosed with cancer, Jesus and I had some long conversations because, at 45 years in a wheelchair, I\u2019m thinking to myself and asking God: \u201cWhy? Why Joni? After all this time, why would You allow her to have this cancer?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt didn\u2019t come to us right away. It caused us \/ the initial diagnosis caused us to stop and reflect on what was important. As time went on, and we got into the chemo, and everything else, what we discovered was: \u201cJoni is such a great communicator. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cShe\u2019s been a great communicator for the disabled community\u2014why not cancer?\u201d We\u2019ve seen Him, during this journey, how much God has used her to be able to speak to that very area\u2014people who have had cancer. And not only that, the people we have come in contact with because of the cancer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>The nurses.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>The nurses, the oncological surgeon, the oncologist, the\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni:<\/strong> \u2014the x-ray technician.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>The x-ray technicians.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Blood test people, surgeons\u2014everybody.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>And we always try to insert the name of Jesus when we talk to these folks. We would have never had that opportunity without the cancer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I want you both to comment on this because, again, Ken, this is not just Joni\u2019s disease. It\u2019s <em>our<\/em> disease\u2014you, as a couple; okay? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I was praying and thinking about talking with you guys today, I was taken back to Romans 8\u2014to a passage that Randy Alcorn spoke to our staff, back in March 24, 2010\u2014it\u2019s Roman\u2019s 8:18: \u201cFor I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Comment on that, Ken, because\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>Well, how do we, as human beings that love Christ, show our love for Christ? Oftentimes, we say it and we pray it; but we don\u2019t get a chance to demonstrate it. Here\u2019s an opportunity for us, during this time, to honor God and to be able to show, in a tangible sense, and execute what we believe\u2014that God is the Sovereign God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, for us, we\u2019ve just learned to trust Him more. Both Joni and I have said, at some point, there\u2019s going to come a time when either one or both of us are going to have another diagnosis. So, it\u2019s prepared us for the other side of eternity. But for this side of eternity, we are just so thankful that God has given us this opportunity just to show Him how much we love Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>I think of that verse so often\u2014Romans 8:18\u2014when Ken and I have a disagreement or when we get haggling over the small, petty stuff. Invariably, one of us will stop\u2014most recently it was Ken\u2014when we were in the car, arguing about something. He stopped, pulled over and said: \u201cJoni, what\u2019s the big picture?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s a big-picture verse that you just read\u2014\u201cWhat is the big picture? Why are we in this? Where are we going? What\u2019s our goal?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe big picture for us <em>is<\/em> the other side of eternity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKen and I, together as a couple, do not want to disappoint our Savior, Who has invested <em>so much in us<\/em>\u2014my goodness\u2014His own blood in us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFriends, listening, I don\u2019t know if you haggle with your husbands but sit down, one time, with your spouse and just talk about \/ sketch it out: \u201cWhat is the big picture?\u201d Then, commit to make that your goal. For Ken and me\u2014I trust for most Christian couples\u2014it is heaven \/ it is the finish line. It is the end of the good fight. It is hearing those wonderful words, \u201cWell done, good and faithful servant.\u201d That\u2019s what we want to hear! That\u2019s what we\u2019re living for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And Joni, there\u2019s another verse that\u2019s like Romans 8:18\u2014it\u2019s the one in \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t2 Corinthians 4\u2014that says that what we\u2019re going through is light and momentary afflictions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Yes. Then, it says, \u201cTherefore, do not lose heart.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do you really think what you\u2019re going through is a light and momentary affliction?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>This is where faith really kicks in, Bob, because I have to believe that the cosmic stakes are so high\u2014that the joy that I\u2019m going to experience in heaven is so great \/ that is so out of this world\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that in comparison to <em>that<\/em>, indeed, my troubles are light and momentary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s why I shared, earlier, how<em> invigorated<\/em> I am, and what a robust, rugged wonderful\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014it\u2019s a man-sized faith that I can have if I would but not complain and trust God with the challenges. Again, it\u2019s not just me espousing this\u2014it\u2019s Ken and I, as a couple\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014doing it together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>\u2014doing it together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, it would be one thing for me to say that, but for you two to say that in your book\u2014I\u2019ve been through your book, you know. You\u2019re really talking about some of the most challenging circumstances two human beings could possibly face in a lifetime.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Well, to be fair, I\u2019ve got some great girlfriends who help me get up in the morning and lay down at night; but still, the bulk of the burden often rests on Ken, especially getting up at three o\u2019clock \/ four o\u2019clock in the morning, every single night, to turn me \/ to reposition me in bed so that I don\u2019t get pressure sores, to re-tuck my pillows, then to go back to sleep. That\u2019s every single night for 31 years of our marriage! That has not altered one bit\u2014that\u2019s a lot!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI will never forget the time I had double pneumonia in the midst of my cancer. Ken was up for nine, ten, eleven, twelve days\u2014every single night\u2014five or six, seven, eight times\u2014pushing on my abdomen, pounding on my chest, pushing on my back: \u201cCome on, you\u2014cough, cough. Come on, cough.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember him whispering, in the middle of it all, \u201cSo is this the <em>worse<\/em> part of the \u2018for better or worse\u2019?\u201d I said, \u201cThis is the <em>worse<\/em> part. This is, but we\u2019re going to get through it.\u201d Even then, to voice our vows, in the midst of such a terrible ordeal, was invigorating and, I think, soul-strengthening.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>I think if we were to look back on our married life, we could not have written this book, three years into our marriage\u2014not that we\u2019re experts now. Thirty years doesn\u2019t make an expert. There are many who are married a lot longer, but I think God has brought us on this journey together, as a couple. It\u2019s been a journey, well-fought for. The lessons that we\u2019ve learned have just been lessons that I wouldn\u2019t trade for anything.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. I think you\u2019re both hinting at a question I wanted to ask because, in your book, you write about, Joni, how you prayed for this black-haired guy in church \/ you didn\u2019t know who he was. You were kind of squirming around in your chair there and decided you\u2019d pray for this guy you didn\u2019t know. Later on, he became your husband. I mean, Wow! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut he told you he loved you about a year into the relationship, as I recall. Is that right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s the question I want to ask both of you: \u201cYou said you loved her. Today, you know what it means to truly love. Do your best to explain what love is.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>I think, if I were to describe what love is\u2014it\u2019s the love that I sense Jesus has for us. When Christ came and said that He came to serve, I just think, \u201cHow good of God to put me in this position that I could serve Him through serving my wife.\u201d Having a wife, who is of like-mind and loves Jesus, means everything. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s what\u2019s been sustaining for both of us, over these past 30 years\u2014and\u00a0 especially, over these past few years, that we\u2019ve had to deal with the cancer. She\u2019s my best friend \/ she\u2019s my biggest supporter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I would say this\u2014I would say that we don\u2019t honor our vows like we [our culture] once did\u2014you know: \u201cfor better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health.\u201d We don\u2019t do that. Not that I\u2014I\u2019m still working at it\u2014but I would love for this particular book to reach out and touch the lives of men and their hearts and say: \u201cHey, step up to the plate. Honor your vows and honor your commitment that you made to your wife\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cand you\u2019ll be a better person for it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cand you\u2019ll be a better person.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Joni?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joni: <\/strong>Well, mine\u2019s a little more romantic, I guess; but I know that Ken loves me because he <em>likes me<\/em> \/ he wants to be with me\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014I\u2019m<em> home<\/em> for him. As Dr. Robert Mount said, \u201cHome is moveable.\u201d When I\u2019m in another room, Ken enjoys being with me. He enjoys bringing his fish magazines in and sitting with me\u2014and that he chooses me, that he prefers me, that he wants to be with me, that he likes me\u2014[emotion in voice] in spite of all the stuff that often accompanies what \u201cme\u201d is\u2014that he chooses me, and likes me, and prefers me is so sweet to me, as a woman. It touches my heart like nothing else. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, that fosters so much more affection for my husband when I see him choose me, be proud of me, speak about me on the phone to his buddies\u2014tell his best friend, who is an outfitter up in Montana \/ a rough-and-tumble mountain man, who shoots elk with a bow and arrow, who is an expert fly fisherman\u2014he\u2019s just an incredible guy\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014Ken has always said of him, \u201cGee, I want that guy in my foxhole.\u201d But to hear him say, on the phone, one night, to that man, Chris: \u201cChris, I\u2019ve always wanted you in my foxhole. Watching my wife and her courage\u2014oh my goodness\u2014I want her to have my back. I want her to be in my foxhole.\u201d Boy, that\u2019s <em>music<\/em> to my ears.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ken: <\/strong>Yes. Joni says it very well; but when I made that phone call, one of the things that we have discussed is that we are all in a spiritual battle. Chris is a brother in Christ. As Joni mentioned, he is your quintessential mountain man. I watched Joni, during this cancer journey, and I saw the warrior that she is. She is truly a warrior\u2014fighting through all these\u2014the pain and, now, the cancer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I called Chris and I said, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cChris, I have to tell you that after having watched my wife, I want you in that foxhole with me if we\u2019re going to battle; but I\u2019d like my wife in there first because I know she\u2019ll watch my back.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \u201cI know you\u2019re a good shot with a bow and arrow. [Laughter] I want the shield\u2014my shield and my hero\u2014in there with me.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, you guys are heroes to many. We need models, like you guys, who are running the race, all the way to the finish line of heaven\u2014and maybe, not always with a smile on your face\u2014but you\u2019re not quitting. I think your book is just an unvarnished look at a real relationship that has had some very, very dark valleys that haven\u2019t been momentary. They have gone on for years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I just commend it to our listeners to read together, as a couple\u2014both husbands and wives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We have copies of the book\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it\u2019s called <em>An Untold Love Story<\/em>. You can go to our website at FamilyLifeToday.com to order the story of Joni and Ken\u2019s marriage: <em>An Untold Love Story<\/em>. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order, or call 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re hearing more and more from listeners, who are saying, \u201cI listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> sometimes on my local radio station but often I\u2019m listening to it as a podcast or listening to it on the new <em>FamilyLife<\/em> mobile app.\u201d I don\u2019t know if you\u2019ve downloaded the <em>FamilyLife<\/em> app to your iPhone or to your Android device yet, but this new app gives you the opportunity to catch up on past <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> programs and listen to today\u2019s program. It\u2019s convenient \/ it\u2019s easy\u2014and it\u2019s free! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you are interested in downloading the <em>FamilyLife<\/em> app \/ if you need any help, go to FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019ve got instructions for you there. Or simply go to your app store and download and add the app to your device. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me say a quick word of \u2018Thanks,\u2019 to those of you who helped make these resources possible so we can take the message of FamilyLife to more and more people, all around the world. Our mission is to provide practical biblical help and hope for your marriage and your family, day in and day out, through this daily radio program. We are joined in that mission by some of you who are Legacy Partners\u2014monthly contributors to this ministry\u2014others who will give from time to time. We appreciate all of you for your support. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019d like to help with a donation today, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and make an online donation. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make your donation over the phone. Or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things we talk about, here at FamilyLife, is how the natural drift in every marriage is a drift toward isolation. That\u2019s something that Joni and Ken Tada have experienced in their 30-plus years of marriage together. We\u2019ll visit with them about that tomorrow. Hope you can with us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. 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