{"id":304080,"date":"2016-07-12T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2016-07-12T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/all-moments-are-god-moments\/"},"modified":"2016-07-12T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2016-07-12T15:00:00","slug":"all-moments-are-god-moments","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/all-moments-are-god-moments\/","title":{"rendered":"All Moments Are God Moments"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>guest: Dave Furman, Gloria Furman | Series: Glimpses of Grace | God uses the weak to confound the strong. Dave Furman, pastor of Redeemer Church in Dubai, and his wife, Gloria, talk about the debilitating disease that has weakened his muscles, but not their faith or their ministry.Show Notes &#038; ResourcesRedeemer Church of Dubai &#8211; Dave and Gloria Furman&#8217;s church in the United Arab Emirates<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dave Furman, pastor of Redeemer Church in Dubai, and his wife, Gloria, talk about the debilitating disease that has weakened his muscles, but not their faith or their ministry.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-07-12.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"24.06M","filesize_raw":"25225065","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2860,2838,2881],"tags":[6036,5097,4126],"podcast_series":[8008],"cwp_profile":[9334,3393],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-304080","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-hardship-and-suffering","category-mothers","category-young-children","tag-disease","tag-health-issues","tag-ministry","podcast_series-glimpses-of-grace","cwp_profile-dave-furman","cwp_profile-gloria-furman","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/304080\/all-moments-are-god-moments","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/304080\/all-moments-are-god-moments","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"LnvK0WuGX9\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/all-moments-are-god-moments\/\">All Moments Are God Moments<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/all-moments-are-god-moments\/embed\/#?secret=LnvK0WuGX9\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;All Moments Are God Moments&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"LnvK0WuGX9\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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His joy was not determined by his daily circumstances. That\u2019s a lesson that most of us, including Gloria Furman, are still trying to learn.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I had and still struggle with putting my hope in different temporary things. With my young kids, I: \u201cOh, when this teething is over, then life is going to be better,\u201d \u201cOh, when we\u2019re done with diapers, it\u2019s going to be a party.\u201d But all of these things \/ all of my <em>hopes<\/em>, really, are like little tiny grains of sand\u2014they blow away in the wind. Jesus has described Himself as the Rock. When I am standing on <em>Him<\/em>, and He is my Rock, then the sand can blow around all it wants; but if He is solid, then I am standing firm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, July 12<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf your hope is built on something less than Jesus, you can expect the sand to be sinking underneath your feet as well. We\u2019ll talk about finding our rest in Him today. Stay tuned.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition. Have you had mundane times in life where you\u2019ve just thought\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Of course!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014you\u2019re just waiting for God to show up for the next time?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Of course. I think we all, to some degree or another, are kind of activity or adrenaline\u00a0 junkies. We\u2019re kind of waiting for that next experience\u2014kind of living from experience to experience. Life is made up of all kinds of experiences that aren\u2019t spikes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. And we\u2019ve all had epiphanous moments \/ those kinds of landmark moments that we can look back on and say, \u201cThat was life-changing in that moment.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut honestly, it\u2019s that living out of the day to day and a lot of the small decisions that may influence more of our life than some of those big epiphanous moments.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I agree with you Bob. We have a couple with us today on the broadcast all the way from Dubai. Dave and Gloria Furman join us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Dave is a pastor there. They are raising four children, and Gloria has written a book called <em>Glimpses of Grace.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We were having such a great time talking with Gloria this week about being a mom and all the rest. We said, \u201cLet\u2019s just bring Dave in here and have him add to the conversation.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>The interesting thing is\u2014both Gloria and Dave are graduates of Dallas Theological Seminary. We always think about going to seminary to learn about God, but you don\u2019t think of going to seminary being a time when God takes you through something where He really teaches you about Himself. Gloria, you talk about this in your book, <em>Glimpses of Grace,<\/em> about how Dave began to experience some pain that began a process that continues on to this day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTake us back to that time at Dallas Seminary, where you were studying, and Dave began to encounter this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>He came home from the Gospel of John class and said that his finger was buzzing. \u201cI can\u2019t hear anything. What do you mean your finger is buzzing?\u201d It just was tingling on the inside. We experimented with different keyboards. We went to a family practitioner, I think\u2014he said: \u201cOh, this sounds like classic\u2014everybody\u2019s got carpal tunnel these days. You\u2019re a student. You\u2019re a grad student; especially, doing all this writing. You need to take care of your arms. Get a good keyboard, get a good chair, and practice good posture.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe did all of those things. About a year passed, and it just got worse. The buzzing, and the burning, and the tingling moved up into Dave\u2019s elbow; and then it was both arms.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Dave\u2014was this happening all the time or was it coming and going?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0It was starting to be a constant struggle. I\u2019d be typing up an essay for a class, or emails, or I would try to shake someone\u2019s hand, or just try to do normal, everyday things\u2014and the pain would be there \/ the burning would be there. I began to have weakness in my arms; and so, it began to be a daily struggle.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>On a one-to-ten point scale, how great was the pain?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0At that point, five, six, seven. It didn\u2019t get to the highest\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So pretty significant, then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Yes, it was starting and getting worse and worse.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And pain can begin to define your life when it\u2019s a seven. You may be going to seminary, but pain is a real deal; huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Yes. It got to the point where, for my Master\u2019s thesis, I did all the research and Gloria, literally, sat at the keyboard. I was verbalizing what would go into the thesis; she would type it up. In some sense, while I did the work, she was my typist.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You dictated your thesis to your wife because you couldn\u2019t operate the keyboard.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Yes, exactly. It got so bad, at that point \/ that last semester or so at seminary, my wife\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I was carrying your books too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0You were carrying my books. You were four or five months pregnant, and she was typing up my thesis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Gloria, what\u2019s going on in your mind, as all of this\u2014are you thinking, \u201cIs this for life?\u201d It changes a lot of dynamics.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I actually was thinking short-term, at that point, because people were so confident that they knew how to fix it: \u201cOh, you just need this arm sling,\u201d \u201cOh, you just need this keyboard,\u201d \u201cYou just need this chair,\u201d \u201cYou just need to sleep. You sleep like that? No, no, no\u2014sleep like this.\u201d So, I was holding on to those things and thinking \u201cWe\u2019re saved!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cWe\u2019ll get a solution there.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So how about the compassion quotient for Gloria? On a ten-point scale, how great was your compassion, initially?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>It was up and down, honestly. When I was hopeful about the next solution, I was like: \u201cOh, we can press through this! No big deal. Glass is half-full.\u201d I was very cheerful about it; but then, when it would fail, it was devastating.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did you find yourself thinking, \u201cYou need to just quit whining, and pitch in, and do more work\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>Myself?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>No!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>Dave?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. Were you thinking: \u201cCome on! The pain can\u2019t be that bad. Just help out.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I think I had some thoughts like that because you can\u2019t see it\u2014Dave looks very healthy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>He\u2019s not in crutches or in a wheelchair. Some of the more interesting things about serving Dave is when other people don\u2019t <em>know<\/em> that he needs to be served, physically, like that. We were walking into a restaurant. I had our first baby in a baby carrier on one arm, and the door of the restaurant was <em>really<\/em> heavy. The way that\u2014I guess, socially\u2014Dave was walking in such a way that it would look like he\u2019s about to get the door for everybody behind him; but he walked up to the door and kind of stepped aside because he knew: \u201cThere\u2019s no way I could push this door open.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA woman \/ just a stranger, who was walking to the side\u2014and she noticed this. She looked at him and was just like: \u201cOh-h-h-h! Men these days!\u201d She was huffing and puffing about how she had to get the door. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember seeing Dave\u2019s face, crestfallen, because he\u2019s not a passive man who is, \u201cOh, I\u2019m happy to let other people do this when there\u2019s something that I can do to serve them.\u201d I remember seeing that and realizing, \u201cMy husband isn\u2019t doing this to me on purpose to hurt me, but God has to be doing something through this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Dave, how did it impact you? As a man, I\u2019m thinking about opening a door. Although, in a way, that\u2019s a minor deal; but in another way, it\u2019s at the heart of a common courtesy of: \u201cMy life for yours.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Exactly. That\u2019s what we do\u2014we take care of our wife, our kids, and other people in our lives\u2014you serve. I love to serve. So, it was as if some of my manhood was taken away. I wasn\u2019t able to do some of the things that I want to do. So yes, those are difficult moments, really, to trust God and to not get your significance or your security out of what people think of you\u2014not to get your hope in what that person, who is watching you, sees in you\u2014but to trust the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did you find yourself, like your wife, having glass-half-empty days and glass-half-full days, where you think, \u201cOkay, we\u2019ll get this fixed,\u201d or then you go, \u201cI don\u2019t know if this is fixable\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Exactly. Those glass-half-full days, when you\u2019re promised another solution or a doctor says: \u201cOkay, just do this,\u201d \u201cTake these two pills,\u201d \u201cDo this procedure and everything is going to be fine.\u201d Yes, we have hope. And then there are other days when we\u2019re so discouraged after another procedure \/ another surgery didn\u2019t work. What we learned through that is: \u201cNo, we can\u2019t trust in those temporary things. We can\u2019t put our hope in those things, but we must put our hope in Jesus as our ultimate hope.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Are you better today?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0No. No, we\u2019ve had\u2014is it about 17 surgeries or hospital procedures? I\u2019ve been admitted that many times\u2014some of them major surgeries. There are some things that I can do more so today than I could back then, but I can still only lift about eight pounds\u2014still can\u2019t get some of the doors for my wife. I remember, one time, sitting around the table of pastors\u2014this was just last year\u2014and they served us steak. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember going, \u201cOkay, how am I going to cut my steak?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of my elders was actually sitting next to me. Without even announcing it or asking, he just leaned over and cut my steak. All the other pastors looking around were kind of bewildered. The elder just stepped up and said: \u201cHey, guys! Isn\u2019t this the way <em>your <\/em>elders serve <em>you<\/em> guys?\u201d[Laughter] Everybody laughed, and then he took the moment to explain I can\u2019t cut the steak. So, there have been some difficult moments like that; but we\u2019ve seen God persevere us throughout.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Part of the challenge, it would seem to me, is the whole issue of self-sufficiency. You can\u2019t cut your steak; somebody has to do this. That\u2019s embarrassing at one level, but it\u2019s an imposition on the people around you. There\u2019s part of you, wanting to go, \u201cI don\u2019t want to be a bother to the people around me\u201d; and yet, to function, the people around you \/ your wife regularly has to do stuff for you, whether it\u2019s opening a door or cutting. We had lunch today, and your wife had to open the little containers because you couldn\u2019t pop the tops off of them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would think there\u2019d be a part of your psyche that would go, \u201cI just don\u2019t want to look like this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes, it\u2019s difficult. You have to come to the place where you trust the Lord to be your all-suffiency. You can\u2019t do something on your own\u2014to rely heavily upon others, but ultimately, to rely heavily upon Him as the One who\u2019s going to take care of you. It\u2019s been difficult \/ it\u2019s been a challenge, eight years in. I still have a hard time \/ I still count the cost in my mind: \u201cWhat\u2019s it going to look like to ask my wife to open up that container?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tUltimately, we\u2019ve seen God move in such a way where it seems apparent that He uses the weak to glorify Himself. It\u2019s a story of the Bible\u2014you see that with David and Goliath, you see it with Moses, you see it even with Jesus \/ God became man, lived the humble life and then took the penalty upon Himself that we deserve. So you see God using the weak to glorify Himself\u2014it seems to be the story of the Bible. So why hide that?\u2014but trust the Lord that He will shine the glory upon Himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, five years ago, you guys decided God was calling you to go to the Middle East and plant a church. You weren\u2019t taking on an easy task. At the time you made that decision, hadn\u2019t your pain lessened, at that point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Briefly, right before we moved there. As we arrived on the Arabian Peninsula\u2014within about a month \/ maybe a month into it\u2014my health went downhill once again, even far worse than before, to the place where I couldn\u2019t button my shirt \/ turn on the shower. I had boils all up and down both of my hands and couldn\u2019t do much of anything for several months.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Gloria, you had to think, \u201cI did not sign up for this.\u201d I mean, seriously\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Now wait, Bob. It was: \u201c\u2026for better or for worse, in sickness and in health.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I know. I know. But you know, every couple that says that has their calibration of how sick \u201csickness\u201d is going to be\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>When.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014and how worse \u201cworse\u201d is going to be. They\u2019re thinking, \u201cYes, there is a worse point.\u201d You didn\u2019t imagine this when you said, \u201cI do\u201d; did you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I actually imagined, in my mind, growing old together with Dave; but I never really imagined having to help him so early on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember, one night, when we were living in country and studying the language\u2014I think I was hunched over my growing pregnant belly\u2014helping clip Dave\u2019s toenails, and I was angry. I was angry at God\u2014I was bitter about that. Who likes to clip toenails, really? It\u2019s just something you have to do. Praise the Lord for Dave\u2019s cheerful attitude, in that moment, because he said: \u201cYou always knew you\u2019d have to do this. You just didn\u2019t know you\u2019d have to do it so soon; did you?\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0I remember saying that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I thought to myself: \u201cYes! I knew that I would love you and serve you\u2014I made a covenant. I just didn\u2019t know the timing of some of these things.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod has been faithful, even for physical things that we need help with. Our church body is just brilliant. They\u2019ve come around us. People are aware: \u201cThe Furman\u2019s need a little extra physical help.\u201d So, someone will see me trying to wrestle the kids into car seats. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey\u2019ll stop and, \u201cOh, here,\u201d and they\u2019ll pick up a kid and clip him into a car seat. Even things around the house\u2014regularly, guys from the church will say: \u201cHey, you need anything done \/ anything you need to pick up?\u201d \u201cActually, yes\u2014a five-gallon bottle of water just right there. Could you please carry that?\u201d So, we\u2019ve been cared for \/ God has not left us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, Dave, you actually came to the conclusion that God is using your weakness in this situation, as you\u2019ve started this church in Dubai. Explain to our listeners what you shared with us before we came into the studio about how many of your people in your church\u2014how they come with a certain picture of who God is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>In our part of the world, this prosperity gospel \/ the prosperity doctrine is so big, where people think: \u201cJesus is just a cosmic vending machine. We\u2019ll put in some money into the offering. We\u2019ll do any number of things\u2014pray special prayers\u2014and God will give us whatever we want. Jesus is a cosmic vending machine or genie in the bottle.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cHe\u2019s here to fix your life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Yes; exactly: \u201cMake you healthy, happy, wealthy, wise, and everything else;\u201d\u2014that He\u2019ll bring you <em>earthly <\/em>happiness\u2014\u201cYour best life is <em>now<\/em>,\u201d kind of mentality. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I\u2019ve been able to tell our congregation\u2014from the pulpit and in discipleship opportunities\u2014is: \u201cNo, your best life is never <em>now<\/em> \/ it\u2019s never <em>now<\/em>. If this is the best my life is going to be, I want another life \/ I want another way! But no, your best life is always later, with Jesus. Your best life is in the life to come. God will heal me. One day, in glory, there will be no pain. He may or may not heal me in this life, but what God will do is\u2014He will use this pain \/ He will use this suffering. He will use our pain in the mundane areas of life to glorify Himself\u2014to show that He is strong when we are weak\u2014that He is our hope.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You have to have times, though, when you stop\u2014both of you\u2014and think: \u201cIf Dave didn\u2019t have this, think of what we could really accomplish. These limitations are keeping us from being able to do all of the things that we want to do and could do.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s kind of like, \u201cGod, don\u2019t you get how much faster we could accelerate things if You would just heal Dave?\u201d Haven\u2019t you thought that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I\u2019ve thought about how much faster we could get in the car or on the airplane. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Today, that would have been useful in that delay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>Yes. But ministry-wise, it is sweet, though. We are blessed to see, firsthand, things that God is doing through Dave\u2019s weakness\u2014not necessarily, in spite of it. People will say\u2014they will verbalize, \u201cI had no idea that God could use weakness, and pain, and suffering, and glorify Himself with it. Thank you for being faithful. Thank you for being honest and sharing your struggles.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, you haven\u2019t been tempted to quit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>Oh, sure!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0I\u2019ve quit at least eight times\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>You quit; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0\u2014in the past couple of years. We stopped keeping count after a while; but no, it has been tempting to quit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Why do you want to quit?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0It\u2019s hard \/ it\u2019s difficult. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLife doesn\u2019t seem fair. We\u2019re tired \/ we\u2019re hurting. We want a peaceful life somewhere else, where there will be no pain or suffering.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Gloria, you wrote a book called <em>Glimpses of Grace,<\/em> where you said: \u201cIn the mundane of life, God is still with you. Grace is still present. You need to look for it and see it differently than you would see it in those big moments.\u201d We\u2019re not talking about the mundane, now\u2014we\u2019re talking about the hard \/ we\u2019re talking about the suffering. There\u2019s grace in the middle of that too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>Yes. I realize that some people, reading the book, have lives probably similar to ours\u2014where pain is there every day. I know, firsthand, how discouraging it can be to think, \u201cIf this pain was gone, then God would meet me where I am.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So what\u2019s the big takeaway for both of you? If you had to summarize<em> the<\/em> lesson of faith that you have learned through this\u2014shall I call it an ordeal? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat about you, Dave? What\u2019s the most important thing?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0What I\u2019ve learned is not to trust and put my hope in my ever-changing circumstances because they\u2019re going to change. Every day it\u2019s going to be something different. There may be healing; there may not be healing. There is going to be difficulty\u2014family-wise, ministry-wise, health-wise\u2014but instead of placing my hope in my ever-changing circumstances\u2014instead, to place my hope in the one great permanent circumstance. I think it was Milton Vincent, who said that in his book, <em>A Gospel Primer<\/em>, that we are to hope in the one great permanent circumstance of the gospel of Christ Jesus and what He has done for us because that\u2019s never going to change. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are in Christ now and forevermore. If we can hope in that\u2014if we can know what He\u2019s done in the gospel for us in the past, if we can see what He\u2019s doing today, and we can look forward to the future, and know that we will be with Him forever\u2014that everlasting joy starts erupting and overflowing in our hearts and can get us through the most difficult earthly, temporary circumstances.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Gloria, I want you to share what yours is too; but you have to share what you put in the book about a song that you would sing: \u201cMy hope is built on\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>\u201c\u2014on nothing less than Jesus\u2019 blood and righteousness.\u201d That\u2019s right. I had and still struggle with putting my hope in different temporary things. With my young kids, I would: \u201cOh, when this teething is over, then life is going to be better,\u201d \u201cOh, when we\u2019re done with diapers, it\u2019s going to be a party.\u201d But all of these things \/ all of my <em>hopes<\/em> really are like little tiny grains of sand. They blow away in the wind. Jesus has described Himself as the Rock. So, when I am standing on <em>Him<\/em>, and He is my Rock, then the sand can blow around all it wants. It can shift and it can change all it wants; but if He is solid, then I am standing firm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And so, what is the most important thing?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>He is faithful. He\u2019s so faithful, and He\u2019s good. It\u2019s not based on the temporary things\u2014it\u2019s not: \u201cGod\u2019s good this morning, but God\u2019s not so good at 8:15,\u201d or \u201cGod\u2019s not so good at 6:15, when it\u2019s: \u2018Really, is bedtime only 45 minutes away? I can\u2019t make it that far!\u2019\u201d He\u2019s good all the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019ve talked to and heard from people who have bought your book\u2014young moms who have\u2014it\u2019s been paradigm-shifting for them. What are you hearing back from people? What are they finding as they read through your account \/ your story?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I\u2019ve been contacted by young women. They are telling me that they didn\u2019t realize that the gospel had so much to do with everyday life. I\u2019ve been told by some ladies that: \u201cI believed the gospel, and I became a Christian. Then I kind of forgot about it. I\u2019m now realizing that all of these things in God\u2019s Word actually apply to me, every day, all day.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey realize that compartmentalizing God into that sacred moment is <em>not<\/em> the limits that God has\u2014God is over <em>all<\/em> of your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I had a friend of mine, years ago\u2014this ties into exactly what you\u2019re saying\u2014who said, \u201cI have realized that, every day, I have to repent and re-believe the gospel.\u201d I thought, \u201cI don\u2019t know that I\u2019ve ever thought about it that way, but he\u2019s exactly right.\u201d Every day is an ongoing reaffirmation of the fact that the gospel is true, and we live our lives in the light of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; and there are those moments, as <em>we<\/em> are parents, when sometimes God gives us a glimpse into our kids\u2019 lives. There have been those times with our six, by the way, when we knew something that God was up to in their lives, but we couldn\u2019t share the whole story. We were sitting back, kind of smiling; and we just wanted to say to our children: \u201cYou just need to trust Him. You may not see the answer today, but He is at work. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cHe\u2019s setting about a course for you \/ a journey for you and wants to use this in your life\u2014long haul. The question is: \u2018Will you trust Him?\u2019\u201d I was always pleased to get those moments because, many times, as parents, we didn\u2019t know what was going on any more than our children did; but in those moments, it was good to have a clear picture that God was at work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think He\u2019s been at work, undoubtedly, in your lives. The church now has grown to how many people there in Dubai?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0On Christmas Eve, we had over a thousand. Normally it\u2019s a little less than that; but it\u2019s grown quickly, and we\u2019re thankful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And that\u2019s not in a churched city.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0No, not at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s in an unreached people group. God is using you guys in a great way, and we\u2019re thrilled you\u2019ve dropped by <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. I hope folks will get a copy of <em>Glimpses of Grace <\/em>because I think we all need a fresh reminder of that perspective.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and if folks would like information on the ministry you\u2019re doing in Dubai, go to our website at FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the link for Redeemer Dubai. They can learn more about the work that you\u2019re doing there. Of course, online, you can order a copy of Gloria\u2019s book. Again, it\u2019s called <em>Glimpses of Grace<\/em>. The website is FamilyLifeToday.com. You can also order by phone when you call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u20141-800-358-6329 \/ that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mentioned to you guys yesterday that we\u2019re doing this anniversary thing this year. \u201cCongratulations!\u201d today to Erik and Meri Robinson. They live in Bowie, Maryland. They listen to WAVA. They\u2019ve attended two <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> events, and they are celebrating their 22<sup>nd <\/sup>wedding anniversary today. So \u201cCongratulations!\u201d to the Robinsons on 22 years together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMarriage\/anniversary\u2014it\u2019s all a big deal. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe believe that the health of every civilization can be found in the strength of its marriages and the strength of its families. That\u2019s why, at FamilyLife, we are committed to providing practical biblical help and hope for your marriage and your family, day in and day out, on this radio program, on our website, through our events, our resources\u2014everything we do has that as its objective.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who help make it all possible by partnering with us, financially, to support the work of FamilyLife. We\u2019re listener-supported. More than 65 percent of the funds we need to operate this ministry come from folks, like you, who go to FamilyLifeToday.com to make an online donation or who call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate over the phone. 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His joy was not determined by his daily circumstances. That\u2019s a lesson that most of us, including Gloria Furman, are still trying to learn.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I had and still struggle with putting my hope in different temporary things. With my young kids, I: \u201cOh, when this teething is over, then life is going to be better,\u201d \u201cOh, when we\u2019re done with diapers, it\u2019s going to be a party.\u201d But all of these things \/ all of my <em>hopes<\/em>, really, are like little tiny grains of sand\u2014they blow away in the wind. Jesus has described Himself as the Rock. When I am standing on <em>Him<\/em>, and He is my Rock, then the sand can blow around all it wants; but if He is solid, then I am standing firm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, July 12<sup>th<\/sup>. 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They are raising four children, and Gloria has written a book called <em>Glimpses of Grace.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We were having such a great time talking with Gloria this week about being a mom and all the rest. We said, \u201cLet\u2019s just bring Dave in here and have him add to the conversation.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>The interesting thing is\u2014both Gloria and Dave are graduates of Dallas Theological Seminary. We always think about going to seminary to learn about God, but you don\u2019t think of going to seminary being a time when God takes you through something where He really teaches you about Himself. Gloria, you talk about this in your book, <em>Glimpses of Grace,<\/em> about how Dave began to experience some pain that began a process that continues on to this day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTake us back to that time at Dallas Seminary, where you were studying, and Dave began to encounter this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>He came home from the Gospel of John class and said that his finger was buzzing. \u201cI can\u2019t hear anything. What do you mean your finger is buzzing?\u201d It just was tingling on the inside. We experimented with different keyboards. We went to a family practitioner, I think\u2014he said: \u201cOh, this sounds like classic\u2014everybody\u2019s got carpal tunnel these days. You\u2019re a student. You\u2019re a grad student; especially, doing all this writing. You need to take care of your arms. Get a good keyboard, get a good chair, and practice good posture.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe did all of those things. About a year passed, and it just got worse. The buzzing, and the burning, and the tingling moved up into Dave\u2019s elbow; and then it was both arms.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Dave\u2014was this happening all the time or was it coming and going?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0It was starting to be a constant struggle. I\u2019d be typing up an essay for a class, or emails, or I would try to shake someone\u2019s hand, or just try to do normal, everyday things\u2014and the pain would be there \/ the burning would be there. I began to have weakness in my arms; and so, it began to be a daily struggle.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>On a one-to-ten point scale, how great was the pain?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0At that point, five, six, seven. It didn\u2019t get to the highest\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So pretty significant, then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Yes, it was starting and getting worse and worse.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And pain can begin to define your life when it\u2019s a seven. You may be going to seminary, but pain is a real deal; huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Yes. It got to the point where, for my Master\u2019s thesis, I did all the research and Gloria, literally, sat at the keyboard. I was verbalizing what would go into the thesis; she would type it up. In some sense, while I did the work, she was my typist.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You dictated your thesis to your wife because you couldn\u2019t operate the keyboard.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Yes, exactly. It got so bad, at that point \/ that last semester or so at seminary, my wife\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I was carrying your books too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0You were carrying my books. You were four or five months pregnant, and she was typing up my thesis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Gloria, what\u2019s going on in your mind, as all of this\u2014are you thinking, \u201cIs this for life?\u201d It changes a lot of dynamics.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I actually was thinking short-term, at that point, because people were so confident that they knew how to fix it: \u201cOh, you just need this arm sling,\u201d \u201cOh, you just need this keyboard,\u201d \u201cYou just need this chair,\u201d \u201cYou just need to sleep. You sleep like that? No, no, no\u2014sleep like this.\u201d So, I was holding on to those things and thinking \u201cWe\u2019re saved!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cWe\u2019ll get a solution there.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So how about the compassion quotient for Gloria? On a ten-point scale, how great was your compassion, initially?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>It was up and down, honestly. When I was hopeful about the next solution, I was like: \u201cOh, we can press through this! No big deal. Glass is half-full.\u201d I was very cheerful about it; but then, when it would fail, it was devastating.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did you find yourself thinking, \u201cYou need to just quit whining, and pitch in, and do more work\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>Myself?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>No!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>Dave?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. Were you thinking: \u201cCome on! The pain can\u2019t be that bad. Just help out.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I think I had some thoughts like that because you can\u2019t see it\u2014Dave looks very healthy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>He\u2019s not in crutches or in a wheelchair. Some of the more interesting things about serving Dave is when other people don\u2019t <em>know<\/em> that he needs to be served, physically, like that. We were walking into a restaurant. I had our first baby in a baby carrier on one arm, and the door of the restaurant was <em>really<\/em> heavy. The way that\u2014I guess, socially\u2014Dave was walking in such a way that it would look like he\u2019s about to get the door for everybody behind him; but he walked up to the door and kind of stepped aside because he knew: \u201cThere\u2019s no way I could push this door open.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA woman \/ just a stranger, who was walking to the side\u2014and she noticed this. She looked at him and was just like: \u201cOh-h-h-h! Men these days!\u201d She was huffing and puffing about how she had to get the door. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember seeing Dave\u2019s face, crestfallen, because he\u2019s not a passive man who is, \u201cOh, I\u2019m happy to let other people do this when there\u2019s something that I can do to serve them.\u201d I remember seeing that and realizing, \u201cMy husband isn\u2019t doing this to me on purpose to hurt me, but God has to be doing something through this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Dave, how did it impact you? As a man, I\u2019m thinking about opening a door. Although, in a way, that\u2019s a minor deal; but in another way, it\u2019s at the heart of a common courtesy of: \u201cMy life for yours.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Exactly. That\u2019s what we do\u2014we take care of our wife, our kids, and other people in our lives\u2014you serve. I love to serve. So, it was as if some of my manhood was taken away. I wasn\u2019t able to do some of the things that I want to do. So yes, those are difficult moments, really, to trust God and to not get your significance or your security out of what people think of you\u2014not to get your hope in what that person, who is watching you, sees in you\u2014but to trust the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did you find yourself, like your wife, having glass-half-empty days and glass-half-full days, where you think, \u201cOkay, we\u2019ll get this fixed,\u201d or then you go, \u201cI don\u2019t know if this is fixable\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Exactly. Those glass-half-full days, when you\u2019re promised another solution or a doctor says: \u201cOkay, just do this,\u201d \u201cTake these two pills,\u201d \u201cDo this procedure and everything is going to be fine.\u201d Yes, we have hope. And then there are other days when we\u2019re so discouraged after another procedure \/ another surgery didn\u2019t work. What we learned through that is: \u201cNo, we can\u2019t trust in those temporary things. We can\u2019t put our hope in those things, but we must put our hope in Jesus as our ultimate hope.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Are you better today?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0No. No, we\u2019ve had\u2014is it about 17 surgeries or hospital procedures? I\u2019ve been admitted that many times\u2014some of them major surgeries. There are some things that I can do more so today than I could back then, but I can still only lift about eight pounds\u2014still can\u2019t get some of the doors for my wife. I remember, one time, sitting around the table of pastors\u2014this was just last year\u2014and they served us steak. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember going, \u201cOkay, how am I going to cut my steak?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of my elders was actually sitting next to me. Without even announcing it or asking, he just leaned over and cut my steak. All the other pastors looking around were kind of bewildered. The elder just stepped up and said: \u201cHey, guys! Isn\u2019t this the way <em>your <\/em>elders serve <em>you<\/em> guys?\u201d[Laughter] Everybody laughed, and then he took the moment to explain I can\u2019t cut the steak. So, there have been some difficult moments like that; but we\u2019ve seen God persevere us throughout.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Part of the challenge, it would seem to me, is the whole issue of self-sufficiency. You can\u2019t cut your steak; somebody has to do this. That\u2019s embarrassing at one level, but it\u2019s an imposition on the people around you. There\u2019s part of you, wanting to go, \u201cI don\u2019t want to be a bother to the people around me\u201d; and yet, to function, the people around you \/ your wife regularly has to do stuff for you, whether it\u2019s opening a door or cutting. We had lunch today, and your wife had to open the little containers because you couldn\u2019t pop the tops off of them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would think there\u2019d be a part of your psyche that would go, \u201cI just don\u2019t want to look like this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>Yes, it\u2019s difficult. You have to come to the place where you trust the Lord to be your all-suffiency. You can\u2019t do something on your own\u2014to rely heavily upon others, but ultimately, to rely heavily upon Him as the One who\u2019s going to take care of you. It\u2019s been difficult \/ it\u2019s been a challenge, eight years in. I still have a hard time \/ I still count the cost in my mind: \u201cWhat\u2019s it going to look like to ask my wife to open up that container?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tUltimately, we\u2019ve seen God move in such a way where it seems apparent that He uses the weak to glorify Himself. It\u2019s a story of the Bible\u2014you see that with David and Goliath, you see it with Moses, you see it even with Jesus \/ God became man, lived the humble life and then took the penalty upon Himself that we deserve. So you see God using the weak to glorify Himself\u2014it seems to be the story of the Bible. So why hide that?\u2014but trust the Lord that He will shine the glory upon Himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, five years ago, you guys decided God was calling you to go to the Middle East and plant a church. You weren\u2019t taking on an easy task. At the time you made that decision, hadn\u2019t your pain lessened, at that point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Briefly, right before we moved there. As we arrived on the Arabian Peninsula\u2014within about a month \/ maybe a month into it\u2014my health went downhill once again, even far worse than before, to the place where I couldn\u2019t button my shirt \/ turn on the shower. I had boils all up and down both of my hands and couldn\u2019t do much of anything for several months.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Gloria, you had to think, \u201cI did not sign up for this.\u201d I mean, seriously\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Now wait, Bob. It was: \u201c\u2026for better or for worse, in sickness and in health.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I know. I know. But you know, every couple that says that has their calibration of how sick \u201csickness\u201d is going to be\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>When.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014and how worse \u201cworse\u201d is going to be. They\u2019re thinking, \u201cYes, there is a worse point.\u201d You didn\u2019t imagine this when you said, \u201cI do\u201d; did you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I actually imagined, in my mind, growing old together with Dave; but I never really imagined having to help him so early on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember, one night, when we were living in country and studying the language\u2014I think I was hunched over my growing pregnant belly\u2014helping clip Dave\u2019s toenails, and I was angry. I was angry at God\u2014I was bitter about that. Who likes to clip toenails, really? It\u2019s just something you have to do. Praise the Lord for Dave\u2019s cheerful attitude, in that moment, because he said: \u201cYou always knew you\u2019d have to do this. You just didn\u2019t know you\u2019d have to do it so soon; did you?\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0I remember saying that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I thought to myself: \u201cYes! I knew that I would love you and serve you\u2014I made a covenant. I just didn\u2019t know the timing of some of these things.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod has been faithful, even for physical things that we need help with. Our church body is just brilliant. They\u2019ve come around us. People are aware: \u201cThe Furman\u2019s need a little extra physical help.\u201d So, someone will see me trying to wrestle the kids into car seats. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey\u2019ll stop and, \u201cOh, here,\u201d and they\u2019ll pick up a kid and clip him into a car seat. Even things around the house\u2014regularly, guys from the church will say: \u201cHey, you need anything done \/ anything you need to pick up?\u201d \u201cActually, yes\u2014a five-gallon bottle of water just right there. Could you please carry that?\u201d So, we\u2019ve been cared for \/ God has not left us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, Dave, you actually came to the conclusion that God is using your weakness in this situation, as you\u2019ve started this church in Dubai. Explain to our listeners what you shared with us before we came into the studio about how many of your people in your church\u2014how they come with a certain picture of who God is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>In our part of the world, this prosperity gospel \/ the prosperity doctrine is so big, where people think: \u201cJesus is just a cosmic vending machine. We\u2019ll put in some money into the offering. We\u2019ll do any number of things\u2014pray special prayers\u2014and God will give us whatever we want. Jesus is a cosmic vending machine or genie in the bottle.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u201cHe\u2019s here to fix your life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Yes; exactly: \u201cMake you healthy, happy, wealthy, wise, and everything else;\u201d\u2014that He\u2019ll bring you <em>earthly <\/em>happiness\u2014\u201cYour best life is <em>now<\/em>,\u201d kind of mentality. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I\u2019ve been able to tell our congregation\u2014from the pulpit and in discipleship opportunities\u2014is: \u201cNo, your best life is never <em>now<\/em> \/ it\u2019s never <em>now<\/em>. If this is the best my life is going to be, I want another life \/ I want another way! But no, your best life is always later, with Jesus. Your best life is in the life to come. God will heal me. One day, in glory, there will be no pain. He may or may not heal me in this life, but what God will do is\u2014He will use this pain \/ He will use this suffering. He will use our pain in the mundane areas of life to glorify Himself\u2014to show that He is strong when we are weak\u2014that He is our hope.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You have to have times, though, when you stop\u2014both of you\u2014and think: \u201cIf Dave didn\u2019t have this, think of what we could really accomplish. These limitations are keeping us from being able to do all of the things that we want to do and could do.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s kind of like, \u201cGod, don\u2019t you get how much faster we could accelerate things if You would just heal Dave?\u201d Haven\u2019t you thought that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I\u2019ve thought about how much faster we could get in the car or on the airplane. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0Today, that would have been useful in that delay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>Yes. But ministry-wise, it is sweet, though. We are blessed to see, firsthand, things that God is doing through Dave\u2019s weakness\u2014not necessarily, in spite of it. People will say\u2014they will verbalize, \u201cI had no idea that God could use weakness, and pain, and suffering, and glorify Himself with it. Thank you for being faithful. Thank you for being honest and sharing your struggles.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, you haven\u2019t been tempted to quit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>Oh, sure!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0I\u2019ve quit at least eight times\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>You quit; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0\u2014in the past couple of years. We stopped keeping count after a while; but no, it has been tempting to quit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Why do you want to quit?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0It\u2019s hard \/ it\u2019s difficult. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLife doesn\u2019t seem fair. We\u2019re tired \/ we\u2019re hurting. We want a peaceful life somewhere else, where there will be no pain or suffering.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Gloria, you wrote a book called <em>Glimpses of Grace,<\/em> where you said: \u201cIn the mundane of life, God is still with you. Grace is still present. You need to look for it and see it differently than you would see it in those big moments.\u201d We\u2019re not talking about the mundane, now\u2014we\u2019re talking about the hard \/ we\u2019re talking about the suffering. There\u2019s grace in the middle of that too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>Yes. I realize that some people, reading the book, have lives probably similar to ours\u2014where pain is there every day. I know, firsthand, how discouraging it can be to think, \u201cIf this pain was gone, then God would meet me where I am.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So what\u2019s the big takeaway for both of you? If you had to summarize<em> the<\/em> lesson of faith that you have learned through this\u2014shall I call it an ordeal? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat about you, Dave? What\u2019s the most important thing?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0What I\u2019ve learned is not to trust and put my hope in my ever-changing circumstances because they\u2019re going to change. Every day it\u2019s going to be something different. There may be healing; there may not be healing. There is going to be difficulty\u2014family-wise, ministry-wise, health-wise\u2014but instead of placing my hope in my ever-changing circumstances\u2014instead, to place my hope in the one great permanent circumstance. I think it was Milton Vincent, who said that in his book, <em>A Gospel Primer<\/em>, that we are to hope in the one great permanent circumstance of the gospel of Christ Jesus and what He has done for us because that\u2019s never going to change. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are in Christ now and forevermore. If we can hope in that\u2014if we can know what He\u2019s done in the gospel for us in the past, if we can see what He\u2019s doing today, and we can look forward to the future, and know that we will be with Him forever\u2014that everlasting joy starts erupting and overflowing in our hearts and can get us through the most difficult earthly, temporary circumstances.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Gloria, I want you to share what yours is too; but you have to share what you put in the book about a song that you would sing: \u201cMy hope is built on\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>\u201c\u2014on nothing less than Jesus\u2019 blood and righteousness.\u201d That\u2019s right. I had and still struggle with putting my hope in different temporary things. With my young kids, I would: \u201cOh, when this teething is over, then life is going to be better,\u201d \u201cOh, when we\u2019re done with diapers, it\u2019s going to be a party.\u201d But all of these things \/ all of my <em>hopes<\/em> really are like little tiny grains of sand. They blow away in the wind. Jesus has described Himself as the Rock. So, when I am standing on <em>Him<\/em>, and He is my Rock, then the sand can blow around all it wants. It can shift and it can change all it wants; but if He is solid, then I am standing firm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And so, what is the most important thing?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>He is faithful. He\u2019s so faithful, and He\u2019s good. It\u2019s not based on the temporary things\u2014it\u2019s not: \u201cGod\u2019s good this morning, but God\u2019s not so good at 8:15,\u201d or \u201cGod\u2019s not so good at 6:15, when it\u2019s: \u2018Really, is bedtime only 45 minutes away? I can\u2019t make it that far!\u2019\u201d He\u2019s good all the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019ve talked to and heard from people who have bought your book\u2014young moms who have\u2014it\u2019s been paradigm-shifting for them. What are you hearing back from people? What are they finding as they read through your account \/ your story?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gloria: <\/strong>I\u2019ve been contacted by young women. They are telling me that they didn\u2019t realize that the gospel had so much to do with everyday life. I\u2019ve been told by some ladies that: \u201cI believed the gospel, and I became a Christian. Then I kind of forgot about it. I\u2019m now realizing that all of these things in God\u2019s Word actually apply to me, every day, all day.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey realize that compartmentalizing God into that sacred moment is <em>not<\/em> the limits that God has\u2014God is over <em>all<\/em> of your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I had a friend of mine, years ago\u2014this ties into exactly what you\u2019re saying\u2014who said, \u201cI have realized that, every day, I have to repent and re-believe the gospel.\u201d I thought, \u201cI don\u2019t know that I\u2019ve ever thought about it that way, but he\u2019s exactly right.\u201d Every day is an ongoing reaffirmation of the fact that the gospel is true, and we live our lives in the light of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; and there are those moments, as <em>we<\/em> are parents, when sometimes God gives us a glimpse into our kids\u2019 lives. There have been those times with our six, by the way, when we knew something that God was up to in their lives, but we couldn\u2019t share the whole story. We were sitting back, kind of smiling; and we just wanted to say to our children: \u201cYou just need to trust Him. You may not see the answer today, but He is at work. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cHe\u2019s setting about a course for you \/ a journey for you and wants to use this in your life\u2014long haul. The question is: \u2018Will you trust Him?\u2019\u201d I was always pleased to get those moments because, many times, as parents, we didn\u2019t know what was going on any more than our children did; but in those moments, it was good to have a clear picture that God was at work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think He\u2019s been at work, undoubtedly, in your lives. The church now has grown to how many people there in Dubai?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0On Christmas Eve, we had over a thousand. Normally it\u2019s a little less than that; but it\u2019s grown quickly, and we\u2019re thankful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And that\u2019s not in a churched city.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dave: <\/strong>\u00a0No, not at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s in an unreached people group. God is using you guys in a great way, and we\u2019re thrilled you\u2019ve dropped by <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. I hope folks will get a copy of <em>Glimpses of Grace <\/em>because I think we all need a fresh reminder of that perspective.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and if folks would like information on the ministry you\u2019re doing in Dubai, go to our website at FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the link for Redeemer Dubai. They can learn more about the work that you\u2019re doing there. Of course, online, you can order a copy of Gloria\u2019s book. Again, it\u2019s called <em>Glimpses of Grace<\/em>. The website is FamilyLifeToday.com. You can also order by phone when you call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u20141-800-358-6329 \/ that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mentioned to you guys yesterday that we\u2019re doing this anniversary thing this year. \u201cCongratulations!\u201d today to Erik and Meri Robinson. They live in Bowie, Maryland. They listen to WAVA. They\u2019ve attended two <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> events, and they are celebrating their 22<sup>nd <\/sup>wedding anniversary today. So \u201cCongratulations!\u201d to the Robinsons on 22 years together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMarriage\/anniversary\u2014it\u2019s all a big deal. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe believe that the health of every civilization can be found in the strength of its marriages and the strength of its families. That\u2019s why, at FamilyLife, we are committed to providing practical biblical help and hope for your marriage and your family, day in and day out, on this radio program, on our website, through our events, our resources\u2014everything we do has that as its objective.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who help make it all possible by partnering with us, financially, to support the work of FamilyLife. We\u2019re listener-supported. More than 65 percent of the funds we need to operate this ministry come from folks, like you, who go to FamilyLifeToday.com to make an online donation or who call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate over the phone. Some of you still get in touch with us by writing to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; the zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnything you can do to help support this ministry, especially during the month of July, when things slow down a bit around here\u2014and honestly we see fewer donations coming in during this time of the year\u2014if you can help with a donation today, we would love to hear from you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you can join us back tomorrow, especially if you\u2019re a wife or a mom and you sometimes struggle with control. Karen Ehman and Nicole Unice are going to be here to talk about letting go of the control issue. Hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. 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