{"id":304028,"date":"2016-06-06T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2016-06-06T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-cultural-landscape-and-manhood\/"},"modified":"2016-06-06T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2016-06-06T15:00:00","slug":"the-cultural-landscape-and-manhood","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-cultural-landscape-and-manhood\/","title":{"rendered":"The Cultural Landscape and Manhood"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A boy without a father is like an explorer without a map. 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There\u2019s a lot of loitering going on. There are a lot of maturity deficits going on. There\u2019s too much video game playing going on. Men in their mid-twenties play more video games than boys 12 to 18: an average of three hours a day. I don\u2019t care if a guy plays a little video game, but three hours a day? That\u2019s crazy!\u00a0 \u201cWhere\u2019s your\u2014what\u2019s your job? Where\u2019s your workout? Where\u2019s everything else?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is, apparently, a swinging edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, June 6<sup>th<\/sup>.\u00a0 Our host is the President of FamilyLife\u00ae, Dennis Rainey, and I am Bob Lepine.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re a young man or, for that matter, an older man, and one of your major ambitions in life is to get to Level 17 on that video game, let\u2019s think about those priorities, okay? Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, I remember, I was listening to <em>Focus on the Family<\/em> back in the early \u201890s, and I heard an interview that \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDr. Dobson was doing with Bill Bennett. He asked Secretary Bennett, \u201cWhat\u2019s new?\u00a0 What are you working on?\u201d Dr. Bennett said, \u201cWell, I\u2019m working on a book called <em>The Book of Virtues<\/em>, and I turned up my radio to go, \u201cWhen is that coming out? I <em>need<\/em> that book. I <em>want<\/em> that book,\u201d and it wasn\u2019t out yet. It was like six months before the book came out that I heard this. But I got on the waiting list to get the book, and we got it when it first came out.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI used to read the stories from <em>The Book of Virtues<\/em> to my kids at night. The problem was they kept wanting me to read the same ones over and over again, instead of moving on.\u00a0 I wanted to get to some of the newer stories, but they just wanted to hear the same ones over and over again!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting because I had the same experience. We read the book as well; and it was great to hear good, wholesome stories that had values, convictions, courage\u2014not just sprinkled throughout them but <em>embedded<\/em> in them. I want to welcome the author of that book back to the broadcast, Bill Bennett.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Thank you. Thank you, Dennis. Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Glad you\u2019re here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Glad to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t know this\u2014you\u2019re a native of Brooklyn.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Brooklyn, New York.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You grew up there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And your father. Tell us about the family that you grew up in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Sure. I should say, first, that my wife is from Orangeburg, South Carolina, so this is a real mixed marriage! [Laughter] It is not race. It is culture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Wow! Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> I mean, I thought, \u201cPasta.\u201d She said, \u201cRice.\u201d Here I am a New Yorker; and I hear my boys at an early age saying, \u201cMomma, can we have cheese on our grits?\u201d [Laughter] \u201cDon\u2019t say that in New York!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What are grits; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Yes, right!\u00a0 I\u2019ll take it <em>al dente<\/em> please! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI grew up in Brooklyn. My brother, Bob, who is a very well-known lawyer in Washington\u2014he was Bill Clinton\u2019s lawyer; probably best known for that. He and I had an argument or two about that. Grew up with our mother in Brooklyn\u2014she worked, a single mom. We lived with my mother and grandmother. They were very good women, very strong women; but my parents were divorced when I was five. My mother then had a series of other marriages that were pretty unfortunate, about five more. They didn\u2019t last. So we didn\u2019t have a <em>permanent<\/em> male presence in our life but, in this book, <em>The Book of Man<\/em>, I talk about a lot of different men who\u2019ve meant something to me in terms of what I\u2019ve read and people I\u2019ve seen and admired.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut my mother made a very special effort to bring men into our lives whom she thought were good men and men we should spend time with and emulate. As I argue in the book\u2014the old Greek word, <em>mimesis\u2014<\/em>imitation. The cover of the book has a man pointing over the ridge, to a boy, pointing something out. My mother would bring good men into the house\u2014coaches, teachers, friends of the family\u2014and say, \u201cThese are good men. You listen to these men.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And in terms of you.\u00a0 It\u2019s been said that a boy without a father is like an explorer without a map. As a boy growing up in Brooklyn, I mean, man, I\u2019m telling you what. That\u2019s big stuff there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> It\u2019s big stuff, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How did it impact you, as a boy, who really had a father who ultimately just stepped out of his life?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> I withdrew a lot (according to my brother). My brother is older and is still a guide to me. Although our politics are very different, we\u2019re family; and he looks out for me.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I retreated into books. And then, there were men who came along in my life who were great teachers and excellent brothers. They were interested in what I was interested in intellectually, and they guided me and gave me book lists. Then, later on, there were coaches who were very important to me. When I was seven--I\u2019m running on here. You interrupt me; it\u2019s your show!\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I was Secretary of Education, they started something called, \u201cSecretary of Education will identify the best teacher he ever had.\u201d I got to pick the best teacher I ever had, as a young man. I picked my line coach, a former Marine, because he taught me more, I thought, than anyone. He taught me\u2014William James puts it this way\u2014the difference between toughness and callousness. As a boy, I thought toughness meant being callous\u2014meant being kind of macho\u2014you know, tough guy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> He taught me toughness was resilience, you know--perseverance, which is something a man needs to teach a boy.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what real toughness is. It isn\u2019t this swagger. It\u2019s enduring, taking a lot of heat, and then staying on the right path.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> If we somehow had the ability to get a snapshot of an event or an encounter with your two sons, that you raised to adulthood, that would be a favorite of yours\u2014because here you are\u2014you\u2019re a young man who grew up without a father. Then, God blesses you with two sons.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tUndoubtedly, you were passionate about being that kind of dad you\u2019re talking about right there\u2014of being engaged, purposeful, intentional, and really helping them become the men God made them to be. What one event or one snapshot would be your favorite? Do you have a favorite that would be a moment where that occurred; that was taking place?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> I guess I have a couple. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, Homer says in <em>The Iliad,<\/em> \u201cIt is the wish of the father that the son will exceed him in every way and the mother will bless him in her heart.\u201d And this was my wish. It is every father\u2019s wish.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen my older son, John, was the All-American Player of the Year in lacrosse, I was very proud. I\u2019m a sports guy. I love sports. It was irresistible. The sweetest part of it was that John said, \u201cI\u2019m not going to be home in the afternoon. I\u2019ve got to go downtown.\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cWhat for?\u201d \u201cI\u2019ve got to get my picture taken.\u201d \u201cWhat for?\u201d \u201cI don\u2019t know, some sports thing.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe had been selected as the outstanding lacrosse player in the United States, and he didn\u2019t want to tell us. That was a great moment. Any father would be proud. It would be affectation for me to tell you I wasn\u2019t just bursting at the seams. It didn\u2019t take me long to answer your question! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other moment was when we were in a golf cart on a vacation, and I told the boys to stop fighting. They were about nine and four. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said, \u201cOne more and you\u2019re going to walk, and the mosquitoes are going to get you.\u201d\u00a0 But one more time\u2014they did it one more time. [Laughter] And I said, \u201cYou\u2019re out of the golf cart.\u201d As I drove off, I heard our little guy, Joe, starting to cry, and I heard this soon-to-be great lacrosse player, John, say, \u201cDon\u2019t cry, Joe. Don\u2019t worry. I\u2019ve got you. I\u2019ve got you.\u201d I can\u2019t say it without\u2014that was as proud as anything, too. You know, \u201cHe\u2019s not heavy; he\u2019s my brother. I\u2019ve got you.\u201d That\u2019s when I knew Mrs. Bennett was doing something right. [Laughter] (which she has).\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith Joseph, a more complicated story. John was the boy wanted in the B<em>ook of Virtues<\/em>. He was the captain. Everybody loved him. The boys loved him. The girls loved him. He was captain of every team he ever played on. Joe had to struggle to pick up with John\u2014to keep up with John. You remember <em>Chariots of Fire<\/em>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Eric Liddell runs and feels God\u2019s pleasure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> He runs naturally. Abrams has to <em>work<\/em> to be that good.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJoe had to work to be that good. Joe\u2014if John were at a party and somebody did something inappropriate\u2014pulled out booze or, you know, a joint\u2014John left and half the crowd would leave with him.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf Joe was driving his car, and something ridiculously bad was going on at some party, radar would go on in his head and he would go right to it. You know, this is just, \u201cYou\u2019ve got one son; you\u2019ve got another son.\u201d He\u2019d find where the trouble was, and he got himself in some trouble. Then he and I had a talk, and he said, \u201cI\u2019ve got to find something that pulls back harder on me.\u201d I said, \u201cWell, we know about prayer. We know about your school. We know about this. We know about study.\u201d He said, \u201cI think I\u2019m going to join the Marines.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe graduated from Princeton. Two hours later, in a much more moving ceremony, he and one other senior were commissioned Second Lieutenants in the United States Marine Corps. That was a great moment. That was! Because I wasn\u2019t sure that was going to happen, you know?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill: <\/strong>You\u2019ve got kids. You\u2019ve got a bunch of kids.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill: <\/strong>It\u2019s happened, and I couldn\u2019t be happier or prouder.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, I\u2019m listening to those stories and having a few flashbacks of my own as we\u2019ve raised our boys and our daughters, too, as far as that goes. I look at the landscape today, Bill, as I know you do. Bob and I have talked a lot about this\u2014just about what\u2019s happening to men today in the culture. Not every young man\u2019s got a Bill Bennett for a dad who is going to say, \u201cYou know what? You do that one more time\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou are walking. Even if mosquitoes carry you off; you\u2019re walking.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut there are a lot of young men today who, growing up, didn\u2019t have the guidance.\u00a0 They are like the explorer without a map. They are still trying to find their way. They\u2019re in their twenties; some are in their thirties. Some are even married and raising their own children, and they don\u2019t know what a man is and what a man does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Where did we go wrong here? How did this all get started in the first place?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Almost everywhere. Almost every way we could. I remember, I used to say when I was Secretary of Education, Dennis, \u201cIf there was a bad idea brought into the land, the first place we would put it in practice was in American public school.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, for kids who couldn\u2019t do math, \u201cWell, then, let\u2019s just change it. Let\u2019s just estimate what we\u2019re doing.\u201d You know, \u201cIf culture was teaching bad lessons, let\u2019s just start teaching moral relativism as a doctrine.\u201d It just. . . \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe went wrong, literally, somewhere between l969 and l973. Whether you look at out-of-wedlock birth, whether you look at religious affiliation, belief in God, belief in the objective truth, belief in norms and standards.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt turns out, and I think it\u2019s true, that when the structures that we have in a Judeo-Christian civilization\u2014put together for the preservation of the best in us\u2014when they get weakened, it is the boys who fall apart before the girls. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt may be because the girls, the women, end up with the kids most of the time so they have responsibilities they cannot avoid; but the men try to avoid the responsibilities, having not been taught anything else. There\u2019s a lot of lingering. There\u2019s a lot of loitering going on. There\u2019s a lot of hanging-out, too much hanging-out in your parents\u2019 basement.\u00a0 There are a lot of maturity deficits going on. There\u2019s too much video game playing going on of men in their mid-twenties. Men in their mid-twenties play more video games than boys 12 to 18: an average of three hours a day.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t care if a guy plays a little video game, but three hours a day when you\u2019re 23, 24, 25 years old? That\u2019s crazy! That\u2019s crazy! \u201cWhere\u2019s your\u2014what\u2019s your job? Where is your workout? Where\u2019s everything else?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And why is he doing that? Why is the 23 year-old spending three hours a day in front of a video game?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> No one has taught him <em>The Book of Man\u2014<\/em>the value of, for example, work. A man who has missed the pleasure of work has missed one of the great pleasures life has to offer. I tell my audience when I sign off radio, you know\u2014I thank Goodness it\u2019s Friday.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m one of those guys who loves the weekend. I was doing a sports interview the other day, and the guy said, \u201cWhat did you thank God for around your table?\u201d I said, \u201cI thank God for my country, my family, and the SEC!\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter] Where would we be?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Anyway; but I also thank God it\u2019s Monday. You guys <em>love<\/em> to do this. It\u2019s so obvious. For a boy to see a man taking joy in his work! You know, my wife has said, \u201cGet the boys up. Have them go to your radio station.\u201d I mean, it is 5:00 in the morning or 4:30 in the morning, but they\u2019ve done it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhere came this--and I know exactly where it came from--this notion that you live for the weekend? What is that? That you live so that you can then play on the weekend?\u00a0 That\u2019s crazy! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> To sustain a life of meaning and have<em> real<\/em> joy, a man has to have work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The book is <em>loaded<\/em>, as your works all are, with great stories\u2014stories that really cause a man\u2019s chest to swell with courage.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou had to have the objective as you wrote this book, \u201cI\u2019m going to tell some stories here that show men what real mean do, how they act, how they behave, and how they go into tough places.\u201d Now, Bob\u2019s going to get onto me for this, and he always does when I ask a question like this. Is there a story from this book, <em>The Book of Man<\/em>, that\u2019s your favorite, in terms of one that stirs other men to courage?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> I think maybe Rick Rescorla. Rick Rescorla was a Yorkshire man who came to the United States to join the US military. The story is very little known, but he became the Chief of Security at Tower Two at the World Trade Center. He made all the execs--hot shots, hedge-fund guys; you know, the guys we\u2019re all talking about now\u2014march up and down the stairs of the World Trade Center three times a year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey complained and they said, \u201cWho are you?\u201d You know, \u201cJust some security cop.\u201d\u00a0 He made them do it. He said, \u201cWe\u2019re going to do it. I\u2019m going to teach you a great Yorkshire song: \u2018Oh, ye men of Yorkshire\u2019!\u201d You know, on and on. [Laughter] He made them sing it. They just thought he was the biggest fool.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd when \u201cthat day\u201d came, they all got out. They all got out. Maybe two or three didn\u2019t.\u00a0 He went back in to look for the three who didn\u2019t get out, and we never saw him again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a story about selfless sacrifice. It\u2019s about courage. It\u2019s about preparation. It\u2019s about being a man. He joined the US military because he said, \u201cI think it\u2019s the greatest force for civilization in the world.\u201d He loved America. It\u2019s a remarkable story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s nobody\u2019s fault that the story isn\u2019t well-told. Well, maybe it is. I mean, could there be a better movie than the movie about this man? He meets this American woman and they fall in love. They get married. They have a wonderful life together.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are so many stories from that time, and that\u2019s probably why. I keep thinking about him leading these execs--these hot shots, you know, financial traders\u2014with them complaining. I\u2019ve talked to a number of those guys since. They say, \u201cHe saved my life.\u00a0 He saved my family. He saved us.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got another question for you.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Yes?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And Bob knows where this one\u2019s going. One of my favorite questions to ask another man, or a group of men around a table like we\u2019re seated at right now, is this: \u201cOut of all the things you\u2019ve ever done, what is <em>the most<\/em> courageous thing you have ever done?\u201d\u00a0 And while you\u2019re thinking, the answer isn\u2019t, \u201cI\u2019ve <em>never<\/em> done anything that was courageous.\u201d Courage is doing your duty under fire. It\u2019s stepping up when the easiest thing to do would be to do nothing or to step down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Yes. I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe I have. I\u2019d have to have somebody else answer that. I wouldn\u2019t know. I wouldn\u2019t know. I\u2019d like to think I have. I remember sitting at a Cabinet meeting once where nobody was saying anything and, sure, somebody had to say something. It was Ronald Reagan. I owed a lot to him. I thought of the words of an old rock and roll song by Chuck Berry: \u201cI got a chance. I oughta take it. Come on, Queenie, let\u2019s make it.\u201d You know, \u201cThis is my shot,\u201d (takes her to the dance floor).\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I said, \u201cWell, I have to disagree.\u201d The President was kind of not paying attention because President Reagan\u2014you know, there\u2019s this stuff about Reagan, that he fell asleep at Cabinet meetings. We all say, \u201cNo, he didn\u2019t.\u201d When people ask me, I say, \u201cOf course he did. Given what was being said or presented, it was exactly the right response.\u201d [Laughter] You had some boring bunch of graphs some guy was trying to show something.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRonald Reagan was thinking, \u201cRestore America. Destroy the evil empire.\u201d He\u2019s got more important work to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, did Churchill fall asleep at meetings? Sure. He had other things. He needed his rest for the most important tasks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI can\u2019t think of anything I\u2019d really pat myself on the back about in terms of courage. All I know is that I was doing something to provoke a lot of people to say that I should be fired from the Reagan administration, but Ronald Reagan didn\u2019t think so, so that was good. Whether that was courage or just Irish recklessness. You know, the Irish get credit for courage when it\u2019s something else.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>You know the story of the Irishman walking down the street? He sees a fight going on and says, \u201cIs this a private fight or can anybody get in on it?\u201d [Laughter] So I\u2019ve been in a lot of fights. I like a fight. I like a fight.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I wonder, though. You take us into the Cabinet meeting room with President Reagan, and you disagree with the President of the United States. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have to wonder, also, Bill, if you being a dad, courageously stepping up and into a couple of boys\u2019 lives to shape their lives on a day-in and day-out basis, as a man, who really didn\u2019t have a father; who really didn\u2019t have that arm around the shoulder of a man speaking truth to another man, and you did that. No, it didn\u2019t occur on a battlefield in a foreign country where you jumped on a grenade or did something there, but you stepped up in the midst of the battle to do your duty as a dad, under fire.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bill:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know. Maybe it was easy. My brother and I\u2014my brother Bob\u2014the more-liberal Bennett. People see us together and they say, \u201cWhich one of you is adopted?\u201d You know? [Laughter]\u00a0 It\u2019s so funny. He\u2019s the Clinton guy and I\u2019m not, you know? Anyway! He\u2019s been married almost 40 years. I\u2019ve been married 30 years, both beating our mother by a lot here. Maybe it was easy for us. Maybe we went through that, and we were not going to put our kids through it. Maybe something like that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI never really did very much I didn\u2019t want to do, in terms of being with these kids. I just <em>loved<\/em> being with them. I mean, when they were little, I was of very little use. I acted like I didn\u2019t know how to change diapers so I never had to do it again. I made a mess of it and my wife said, \u201cYou\u2019ll never do that again!\u201d I said, \u201cYes, dear.\u201d [Laughter] Method in my madness, you know! But it was easy.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd she has\u2014Elayne--has done a remarkable job. She was the one up late at night.\u00a0 She was the one reading the stories from <em>The Book of Virtues<\/em>. I was writing them for the public. She was reading them to the kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, however it worked at your house, I think we\u2019ve all benefitted, not only from <em>The Book of Virtues, <\/em>but I hope a lot of parents will get <em>The Book of Man. <\/em>And if you have sons, start reading these stories to your sons to instill the kind of virtue and nobility and courage that ought to be a part of a young man\u2019s character.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, we\u2019ve got copies of <em>The Book of Man <\/em>in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. Our listeners can order copies online at FamilyLifeToday.com or they can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to request a copy. Again, the title is <em>The Book of Man, <\/em>by Dr. Bill Bennett. Order online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call to order at 1-800-FLTODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, we wanted to say thank you for your participation in the \u201cStepping Up\u201d video event and video series that we put together. A lot of guys have benefitted from going through that material and your contribution was a big part of that. So thank you. In fact, I was with a group of guys from our church recently and we went through about half of the \u201cStepping Up\u201d video event. Our weekend was so full as we got together that we couldn\u2019t do the whole series. We did about half of it. It\u2019s just good, solid content for guys to go through together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re hoping that other guys might consider, this summer, doing a group getaway; whether it\u2019s something you do officially with guys from your church, or whether it\u2019s a group of dads and sons who get away together and do something fun together and watch these videos as a part of you get away, we\u2019d like to encourage you to do that. In fact, we\u2019re making the \u201cStepping Up\u201d video event kit free to everybody who will purchase ten of the \u201cStepping Up\u201d event manuals.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can go to our website for more information or to order. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com. Or, if you have any questions, call us at 1-800-FLTODAY. This offer is good during the month of June, so plan to take advantage of it. We\u2019d love to hear your feedback; let us hear from you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we want to say happy anniversary today to Steve and Diane Stroobants who live in Chilton, Wisconsin. They listen to <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>on \u201cThe Family: WEMY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Stroobants are celebrating 36 years together as husband and wife today. Congratulations as you celebrate your anniversary. We think anniversaries matter here at FamilyLife. We think your anniversary matters a lot. 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Where\u2019s everything else?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is, apparently, a swinging edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, June 6<sup>th<\/sup>.\u00a0 Our host is the President of FamilyLife\u00ae, Dennis Rainey, and I am Bob Lepine.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re a young man or, for that matter, an older man, and one of your major ambitions in life is to get to Level 17 on that video game, let\u2019s think about those priorities, okay? Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, I remember, I was listening to <em>Focus on the Family<\/em> back in the early \u201890s, and I heard an interview that \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDr. Dobson was doing with Bill Bennett. He asked Secretary Bennett, \u201cWhat\u2019s new?\u00a0 What are you working on?\u201d Dr. Bennett said, \u201cWell, I\u2019m working on a book called <em>The Book of Virtues<\/em>, and I turned up my radio to go, \u201cWhen is that coming out? I <em>need<\/em> that book. I <em>want<\/em> that book,\u201d and it wasn\u2019t out yet. It was like six months before the book came out that I heard this. But I got on the waiting list to get the book, and we got it when it first came out.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI used to read the stories from <em>The Book of Virtues<\/em> to my kids at night. The problem was they kept wanting me to read the same ones over and over again, instead of moving on.\u00a0 I wanted to get to some of the newer stories, but they just wanted to hear the same ones over and over again!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting because I had the same experience. We read the book as well; and it was great to hear good, wholesome stories that had values, convictions, courage\u2014not just sprinkled throughout them but <em>embedded<\/em> in them. I want to welcome the author of that book back to the broadcast, Bill Bennett.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Thank you. Thank you, Dennis. Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Glad you\u2019re here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Glad to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t know this\u2014you\u2019re a native of Brooklyn.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Brooklyn, New York.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You grew up there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And your father. Tell us about the family that you grew up in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Sure. I should say, first, that my wife is from Orangeburg, South Carolina, so this is a real mixed marriage! [Laughter] It is not race. It is culture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Wow! Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> I mean, I thought, \u201cPasta.\u201d She said, \u201cRice.\u201d Here I am a New Yorker; and I hear my boys at an early age saying, \u201cMomma, can we have cheese on our grits?\u201d [Laughter] \u201cDon\u2019t say that in New York!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What are grits; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Yes, right!\u00a0 I\u2019ll take it <em>al dente<\/em> please! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI grew up in Brooklyn. My brother, Bob, who is a very well-known lawyer in Washington\u2014he was Bill Clinton\u2019s lawyer; probably best known for that. He and I had an argument or two about that. Grew up with our mother in Brooklyn\u2014she worked, a single mom. We lived with my mother and grandmother. They were very good women, very strong women; but my parents were divorced when I was five. My mother then had a series of other marriages that were pretty unfortunate, about five more. They didn\u2019t last. So we didn\u2019t have a <em>permanent<\/em> male presence in our life but, in this book, <em>The Book of Man<\/em>, I talk about a lot of different men who\u2019ve meant something to me in terms of what I\u2019ve read and people I\u2019ve seen and admired.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut my mother made a very special effort to bring men into our lives whom she thought were good men and men we should spend time with and emulate. As I argue in the book\u2014the old Greek word, <em>mimesis\u2014<\/em>imitation. The cover of the book has a man pointing over the ridge, to a boy, pointing something out. My mother would bring good men into the house\u2014coaches, teachers, friends of the family\u2014and say, \u201cThese are good men. You listen to these men.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And in terms of you.\u00a0 It\u2019s been said that a boy without a father is like an explorer without a map. As a boy growing up in Brooklyn, I mean, man, I\u2019m telling you what. That\u2019s big stuff there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> It\u2019s big stuff, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How did it impact you, as a boy, who really had a father who ultimately just stepped out of his life?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> I withdrew a lot (according to my brother). My brother is older and is still a guide to me. Although our politics are very different, we\u2019re family; and he looks out for me.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I retreated into books. And then, there were men who came along in my life who were great teachers and excellent brothers. They were interested in what I was interested in intellectually, and they guided me and gave me book lists. Then, later on, there were coaches who were very important to me. When I was seven--I\u2019m running on here. You interrupt me; it\u2019s your show!\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I was Secretary of Education, they started something called, \u201cSecretary of Education will identify the best teacher he ever had.\u201d I got to pick the best teacher I ever had, as a young man. I picked my line coach, a former Marine, because he taught me more, I thought, than anyone. He taught me\u2014William James puts it this way\u2014the difference between toughness and callousness. As a boy, I thought toughness meant being callous\u2014meant being kind of macho\u2014you know, tough guy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> He taught me toughness was resilience, you know--perseverance, which is something a man needs to teach a boy.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what real toughness is. It isn\u2019t this swagger. It\u2019s enduring, taking a lot of heat, and then staying on the right path.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> If we somehow had the ability to get a snapshot of an event or an encounter with your two sons, that you raised to adulthood, that would be a favorite of yours\u2014because here you are\u2014you\u2019re a young man who grew up without a father. Then, God blesses you with two sons.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tUndoubtedly, you were passionate about being that kind of dad you\u2019re talking about right there\u2014of being engaged, purposeful, intentional, and really helping them become the men God made them to be. What one event or one snapshot would be your favorite? Do you have a favorite that would be a moment where that occurred; that was taking place?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> I guess I have a couple. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, Homer says in <em>The Iliad,<\/em> \u201cIt is the wish of the father that the son will exceed him in every way and the mother will bless him in her heart.\u201d And this was my wish. It is every father\u2019s wish.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen my older son, John, was the All-American Player of the Year in lacrosse, I was very proud. I\u2019m a sports guy. I love sports. It was irresistible. The sweetest part of it was that John said, \u201cI\u2019m not going to be home in the afternoon. I\u2019ve got to go downtown.\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cWhat for?\u201d \u201cI\u2019ve got to get my picture taken.\u201d \u201cWhat for?\u201d \u201cI don\u2019t know, some sports thing.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe had been selected as the outstanding lacrosse player in the United States, and he didn\u2019t want to tell us. That was a great moment. Any father would be proud. It would be affectation for me to tell you I wasn\u2019t just bursting at the seams. It didn\u2019t take me long to answer your question! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other moment was when we were in a golf cart on a vacation, and I told the boys to stop fighting. They were about nine and four. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said, \u201cOne more and you\u2019re going to walk, and the mosquitoes are going to get you.\u201d\u00a0 But one more time\u2014they did it one more time. [Laughter] And I said, \u201cYou\u2019re out of the golf cart.\u201d As I drove off, I heard our little guy, Joe, starting to cry, and I heard this soon-to-be great lacrosse player, John, say, \u201cDon\u2019t cry, Joe. Don\u2019t worry. I\u2019ve got you. I\u2019ve got you.\u201d I can\u2019t say it without\u2014that was as proud as anything, too. You know, \u201cHe\u2019s not heavy; he\u2019s my brother. I\u2019ve got you.\u201d That\u2019s when I knew Mrs. Bennett was doing something right. [Laughter] (which she has).\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith Joseph, a more complicated story. John was the boy wanted in the B<em>ook of Virtues<\/em>. He was the captain. Everybody loved him. The boys loved him. The girls loved him. He was captain of every team he ever played on. Joe had to struggle to pick up with John\u2014to keep up with John. You remember <em>Chariots of Fire<\/em>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Eric Liddell runs and feels God\u2019s pleasure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> He runs naturally. Abrams has to <em>work<\/em> to be that good.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJoe had to work to be that good. Joe\u2014if John were at a party and somebody did something inappropriate\u2014pulled out booze or, you know, a joint\u2014John left and half the crowd would leave with him.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf Joe was driving his car, and something ridiculously bad was going on at some party, radar would go on in his head and he would go right to it. You know, this is just, \u201cYou\u2019ve got one son; you\u2019ve got another son.\u201d He\u2019d find where the trouble was, and he got himself in some trouble. Then he and I had a talk, and he said, \u201cI\u2019ve got to find something that pulls back harder on me.\u201d I said, \u201cWell, we know about prayer. We know about your school. We know about this. We know about study.\u201d He said, \u201cI think I\u2019m going to join the Marines.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe graduated from Princeton. Two hours later, in a much more moving ceremony, he and one other senior were commissioned Second Lieutenants in the United States Marine Corps. That was a great moment. That was! Because I wasn\u2019t sure that was going to happen, you know?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill: <\/strong>You\u2019ve got kids. You\u2019ve got a bunch of kids.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill: <\/strong>It\u2019s happened, and I couldn\u2019t be happier or prouder.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, I\u2019m listening to those stories and having a few flashbacks of my own as we\u2019ve raised our boys and our daughters, too, as far as that goes. I look at the landscape today, Bill, as I know you do. Bob and I have talked a lot about this\u2014just about what\u2019s happening to men today in the culture. Not every young man\u2019s got a Bill Bennett for a dad who is going to say, \u201cYou know what? You do that one more time\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou are walking. Even if mosquitoes carry you off; you\u2019re walking.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut there are a lot of young men today who, growing up, didn\u2019t have the guidance.\u00a0 They are like the explorer without a map. They are still trying to find their way. They\u2019re in their twenties; some are in their thirties. Some are even married and raising their own children, and they don\u2019t know what a man is and what a man does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Where did we go wrong here? How did this all get started in the first place?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Almost everywhere. Almost every way we could. I remember, I used to say when I was Secretary of Education, Dennis, \u201cIf there was a bad idea brought into the land, the first place we would put it in practice was in American public school.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, for kids who couldn\u2019t do math, \u201cWell, then, let\u2019s just change it. Let\u2019s just estimate what we\u2019re doing.\u201d You know, \u201cIf culture was teaching bad lessons, let\u2019s just start teaching moral relativism as a doctrine.\u201d It just. . . \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe went wrong, literally, somewhere between l969 and l973. Whether you look at out-of-wedlock birth, whether you look at religious affiliation, belief in God, belief in the objective truth, belief in norms and standards.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt turns out, and I think it\u2019s true, that when the structures that we have in a Judeo-Christian civilization\u2014put together for the preservation of the best in us\u2014when they get weakened, it is the boys who fall apart before the girls. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt may be because the girls, the women, end up with the kids most of the time so they have responsibilities they cannot avoid; but the men try to avoid the responsibilities, having not been taught anything else. There\u2019s a lot of lingering. There\u2019s a lot of loitering going on. There\u2019s a lot of hanging-out, too much hanging-out in your parents\u2019 basement.\u00a0 There are a lot of maturity deficits going on. There\u2019s too much video game playing going on of men in their mid-twenties. Men in their mid-twenties play more video games than boys 12 to 18: an average of three hours a day.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t care if a guy plays a little video game, but three hours a day when you\u2019re 23, 24, 25 years old? That\u2019s crazy! That\u2019s crazy! \u201cWhere\u2019s your\u2014what\u2019s your job? Where is your workout? Where\u2019s everything else?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And why is he doing that? Why is the 23 year-old spending three hours a day in front of a video game?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> No one has taught him <em>The Book of Man\u2014<\/em>the value of, for example, work. A man who has missed the pleasure of work has missed one of the great pleasures life has to offer. I tell my audience when I sign off radio, you know\u2014I thank Goodness it\u2019s Friday.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m one of those guys who loves the weekend. I was doing a sports interview the other day, and the guy said, \u201cWhat did you thank God for around your table?\u201d I said, \u201cI thank God for my country, my family, and the SEC!\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter] Where would we be?!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Anyway; but I also thank God it\u2019s Monday. You guys <em>love<\/em> to do this. It\u2019s so obvious. For a boy to see a man taking joy in his work! You know, my wife has said, \u201cGet the boys up. Have them go to your radio station.\u201d I mean, it is 5:00 in the morning or 4:30 in the morning, but they\u2019ve done it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhere came this--and I know exactly where it came from--this notion that you live for the weekend? What is that? That you live so that you can then play on the weekend?\u00a0 That\u2019s crazy! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> To sustain a life of meaning and have<em> real<\/em> joy, a man has to have work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The book is <em>loaded<\/em>, as your works all are, with great stories\u2014stories that really cause a man\u2019s chest to swell with courage.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou had to have the objective as you wrote this book, \u201cI\u2019m going to tell some stories here that show men what real mean do, how they act, how they behave, and how they go into tough places.\u201d Now, Bob\u2019s going to get onto me for this, and he always does when I ask a question like this. Is there a story from this book, <em>The Book of Man<\/em>, that\u2019s your favorite, in terms of one that stirs other men to courage?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> I think maybe Rick Rescorla. Rick Rescorla was a Yorkshire man who came to the United States to join the US military. The story is very little known, but he became the Chief of Security at Tower Two at the World Trade Center. He made all the execs--hot shots, hedge-fund guys; you know, the guys we\u2019re all talking about now\u2014march up and down the stairs of the World Trade Center three times a year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey complained and they said, \u201cWho are you?\u201d You know, \u201cJust some security cop.\u201d\u00a0 He made them do it. He said, \u201cWe\u2019re going to do it. I\u2019m going to teach you a great Yorkshire song: \u2018Oh, ye men of Yorkshire\u2019!\u201d You know, on and on. [Laughter] He made them sing it. They just thought he was the biggest fool.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd when \u201cthat day\u201d came, they all got out. They all got out. Maybe two or three didn\u2019t.\u00a0 He went back in to look for the three who didn\u2019t get out, and we never saw him again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a story about selfless sacrifice. It\u2019s about courage. It\u2019s about preparation. It\u2019s about being a man. He joined the US military because he said, \u201cI think it\u2019s the greatest force for civilization in the world.\u201d He loved America. It\u2019s a remarkable story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s nobody\u2019s fault that the story isn\u2019t well-told. Well, maybe it is. I mean, could there be a better movie than the movie about this man? He meets this American woman and they fall in love. They get married. They have a wonderful life together.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are so many stories from that time, and that\u2019s probably why. I keep thinking about him leading these execs--these hot shots, you know, financial traders\u2014with them complaining. I\u2019ve talked to a number of those guys since. They say, \u201cHe saved my life.\u00a0 He saved my family. He saved us.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got another question for you.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Yes?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And Bob knows where this one\u2019s going. One of my favorite questions to ask another man, or a group of men around a table like we\u2019re seated at right now, is this: \u201cOut of all the things you\u2019ve ever done, what is <em>the most<\/em> courageous thing you have ever done?\u201d\u00a0 And while you\u2019re thinking, the answer isn\u2019t, \u201cI\u2019ve <em>never<\/em> done anything that was courageous.\u201d Courage is doing your duty under fire. It\u2019s stepping up when the easiest thing to do would be to do nothing or to step down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bill:<\/strong> Yes. I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe I have. I\u2019d have to have somebody else answer that. I wouldn\u2019t know. I wouldn\u2019t know. I\u2019d like to think I have. I remember sitting at a Cabinet meeting once where nobody was saying anything and, sure, somebody had to say something. It was Ronald Reagan. I owed a lot to him. I thought of the words of an old rock and roll song by Chuck Berry: \u201cI got a chance. I oughta take it. Come on, Queenie, let\u2019s make it.\u201d You know, \u201cThis is my shot,\u201d (takes her to the dance floor).\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I said, \u201cWell, I have to disagree.\u201d The President was kind of not paying attention because President Reagan\u2014you know, there\u2019s this stuff about Reagan, that he fell asleep at Cabinet meetings. We all say, \u201cNo, he didn\u2019t.\u201d When people ask me, I say, \u201cOf course he did. Given what was being said or presented, it was exactly the right response.\u201d [Laughter] You had some boring bunch of graphs some guy was trying to show something.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRonald Reagan was thinking, \u201cRestore America. Destroy the evil empire.\u201d He\u2019s got more important work to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, did Churchill fall asleep at meetings? Sure. He had other things. He needed his rest for the most important tasks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI can\u2019t think of anything I\u2019d really pat myself on the back about in terms of courage. All I know is that I was doing something to provoke a lot of people to say that I should be fired from the Reagan administration, but Ronald Reagan didn\u2019t think so, so that was good. Whether that was courage or just Irish recklessness. You know, the Irish get credit for courage when it\u2019s something else.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>You know the story of the Irishman walking down the street? He sees a fight going on and says, \u201cIs this a private fight or can anybody get in on it?\u201d [Laughter] So I\u2019ve been in a lot of fights. I like a fight. I like a fight.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I wonder, though. You take us into the Cabinet meeting room with President Reagan, and you disagree with the President of the United States. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have to wonder, also, Bill, if you being a dad, courageously stepping up and into a couple of boys\u2019 lives to shape their lives on a day-in and day-out basis, as a man, who really didn\u2019t have a father; who really didn\u2019t have that arm around the shoulder of a man speaking truth to another man, and you did that. No, it didn\u2019t occur on a battlefield in a foreign country where you jumped on a grenade or did something there, but you stepped up in the midst of the battle to do your duty as a dad, under fire.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bill:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know. Maybe it was easy. My brother and I\u2014my brother Bob\u2014the more-liberal Bennett. People see us together and they say, \u201cWhich one of you is adopted?\u201d You know? [Laughter]\u00a0 It\u2019s so funny. He\u2019s the Clinton guy and I\u2019m not, you know? Anyway! He\u2019s been married almost 40 years. I\u2019ve been married 30 years, both beating our mother by a lot here. Maybe it was easy for us. Maybe we went through that, and we were not going to put our kids through it. Maybe something like that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI never really did very much I didn\u2019t want to do, in terms of being with these kids. I just <em>loved<\/em> being with them. I mean, when they were little, I was of very little use. I acted like I didn\u2019t know how to change diapers so I never had to do it again. I made a mess of it and my wife said, \u201cYou\u2019ll never do that again!\u201d I said, \u201cYes, dear.\u201d [Laughter] Method in my madness, you know! But it was easy.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd she has\u2014Elayne--has done a remarkable job. She was the one up late at night.\u00a0 She was the one reading the stories from <em>The Book of Virtues<\/em>. I was writing them for the public. She was reading them to the kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, however it worked at your house, I think we\u2019ve all benefitted, not only from <em>The Book of Virtues, <\/em>but I hope a lot of parents will get <em>The Book of Man. <\/em>And if you have sons, start reading these stories to your sons to instill the kind of virtue and nobility and courage that ought to be a part of a young man\u2019s character.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, we\u2019ve got copies of <em>The Book of Man <\/em>in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. Our listeners can order copies online at FamilyLifeToday.com or they can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to request a copy. Again, the title is <em>The Book of Man, <\/em>by Dr. Bill Bennett. Order online at FamilyLifeToday.com, or call to order at 1-800-FLTODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, we wanted to say thank you for your participation in the \u201cStepping Up\u201d video event and video series that we put together. A lot of guys have benefitted from going through that material and your contribution was a big part of that. So thank you. In fact, I was with a group of guys from our church recently and we went through about half of the \u201cStepping Up\u201d video event. Our weekend was so full as we got together that we couldn\u2019t do the whole series. We did about half of it. It\u2019s just good, solid content for guys to go through together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re hoping that other guys might consider, this summer, doing a group getaway; whether it\u2019s something you do officially with guys from your church, or whether it\u2019s a group of dads and sons who get away together and do something fun together and watch these videos as a part of you get away, we\u2019d like to encourage you to do that. In fact, we\u2019re making the \u201cStepping Up\u201d video event kit free to everybody who will purchase ten of the \u201cStepping Up\u201d event manuals.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can go to our website for more information or to order. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com. Or, if you have any questions, call us at 1-800-FLTODAY. This offer is good during the month of June, so plan to take advantage of it. We\u2019d love to hear your feedback; let us hear from you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we want to say happy anniversary today to Steve and Diane Stroobants who live in Chilton, Wisconsin. They listen to <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>on \u201cThe Family: WEMY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Stroobants are celebrating 36 years together as husband and wife today. Congratulations as you celebrate your anniversary. We think anniversaries matter here at FamilyLife. We think your anniversary matters a lot. As we celebrate our 40<sup>th<\/sup> anniversary this year, we\u2019re spending time reflecting on the way God has used this ministry in the lives of hundreds of thousands of couples so that they are continuing to celebrate anniversaries year-in and year-out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to say thank you for your partnership in helping to make that happen. It\u2019s because of your financial support that <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>exists, and we appreciate those of you who make an occasional donation in support of this ministry. We\u2019re always glad to hear from you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can donate online at FamilyLifeToday.com or you can call 1-800-FLTODAY to make a donation, or you can mail your contribution to us at <em>FamilyLife Today,<\/em> Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. Our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow we want to hear more about how Dr. Bill Bennett understands the whole issue of what manhood ought to look like. We\u2019re going to hear some of the lessons on manhood from President Reagan, back in the \u201880s. That\u2019s coming up tomorrow. Hope our listeners can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll see you next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. 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