{"id":304002,"date":"2016-05-18T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2016-05-18T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/is-temptation-a-sin\/"},"modified":"2016-05-18T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2016-05-18T15:00:00","slug":"is-temptation-a-sin","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/is-temptation-a-sin\/","title":{"rendered":"Is Temptation a Sin?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>guest: Denny Burk, Heath Lambert | Series: Transforming Desire | Is being tempted to sin, a sin? Authors Denny Burk and Heath Lambert explain that while some sin is external and comes from the outside, like wanting that piece of cake our doctor told us to forgo, other sins are internal and stem from our own desires. Jesus never desired something that was forbidden Him, but we do. If you desire sin, then the desire itself is a sin. Jesus, however, came to bring life, and to transform our desires into godliness.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Denny Burk and Heath Lambert explain that while some sin is external and comes from the outside, other sins are internal and stem from our own desires.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-05-18.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"23.47M","filesize_raw":"24607970","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2848,2822],"tags":[5931,4129],"podcast_series":[8142],"cwp_profile":[9352,9344],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-304002","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-cultural-issues","category-growing-in-your-faith","tag-gender-identity","tag-homosexuality","podcast_series-transforming-desire","cwp_profile-denny-burk","cwp_profile-heath-lambert","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/304002\/is-temptation-a-sin","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/304002\/is-temptation-a-sin","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"nqZYEZDTh3\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/is-temptation-a-sin\/\">Is Temptation a Sin?<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/is-temptation-a-sin\/embed\/#?secret=nqZYEZDTh3\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Is Temptation a Sin?&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"nqZYEZDTh3\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Heath Lambert says, \u201cYou keep believing the truth.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath: <\/strong>Christians are being <em>hammered<\/em> every day about two things. Number one\u2014the statement that \u201cHomosexuality is sinful.\u201d The other things Christians get hammered on is: \u201cYou say people can change, and they can\u2019t.\u201d The reality is\u2014Christians have to hold the line that both of those claims from the culture are false. The gospel message is that: \u201cHomosexuality is wrong and sinful.\u201d The gospel message is that \u201cJesus Christ can change you by His grace.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, May 18<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. So should we expect that a Christian, who experiences same-sex attraction, will change? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd if so, what do we mean by change? What will that change look like? We\u2019re going to spend time thinking about that together today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We\u2019re going to try to tackle something that many of our listeners have probably heard that may not be true. They may have heard this at church, and you\u2019re saying it may not be true; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly right. Dr. Heath Lambert and Denny Burk join us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Denny, Heath, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> It\u2019s good to be here. Thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath:<\/strong> Thank you very much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They\u2019ve written a book called <em>Transforming Homosexuality: What the Bible Says about Sexual Orientation and Change<\/em>. What we\u2019re going to do here, for a moment\u2014because both you guys are pastors \/ you\u2019re authors\u2014I\u2019m going to pull you back away from the specific topic of cultural clashing that we\u2019re dealing with today, homosexuality.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to talk about something that I don\u2019t know that we\u2019ve ever really talked about, here on <em>FamilyLife Today,<\/em> directly; and that is sin. We\u2019ve mentioned it\u2014it gets all kinds of mentions around here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s gotten a few mentions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, yes; but here\u2019s my point\u2014since childhood, I was taught that temptation is not a sin. It\u2019s clear\u2014at least I was taught\u2014in James that it\u2019s the idea of what gives birth to sin. It is not the temptation that is a sin. But you guys come along and write a book where, as you unpack your book, you\u2019re really dealing with the issue of <em>desire<\/em>. As you deal with desire, you have to deal with temptation. So I\u2019m going to ask you both, point-blank, \u201cIs temptation a sin?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> Well, most of the time people ask that question because they\u2019ve been reading their Bible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey know Hebrews 4:15\u2014which says, \u201cJesus was tempted in every way as we are yet without sin.\u201d So clearly\u2014there you have it \/ right there in Scripture\u2014that Jesus experienced temptation, and there\u2019s no sin in that. We want to say, clearly, up front: \u201cNot all temptation is sin.\u201d What we\u2019re arguing is\u2014that some temptation can be sinful. The reason that we say that is because, just because all of Jesus\u2019 temptations were sinless, doesn\u2019t mean that every possible temptation would be that way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPeople kind of look at Hebrews 4:15 that says, \u201cHe was tempted in every way as we are yet without sin.\u201d People focus on \u201cas we are,\u201d and we think about our own experience. We think about how oftentimes we feel desires welling up in our hearts for things that God forbids to us, and we experience those desires \/ those temptations to do the bad thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo we look at Hebrews 4:15 and we say, \u201cThat\u2019s a temptation I\u2019m feeling; therefore, it\u2019s not sinful.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen we project that back onto Jesus. That\u2019s the wrong way to do it\u2014our experience of temptation is not the measure of things. Jesus\u2019 experience is the measure of us. The text says, \u201cHe experienced temptation just like we do except without sin,\u201d meaning that whatever Jesus experienced\u2014let\u2019s take His temptations in the wilderness with the devil himself\u2014at <em>no<\/em> point in those temptation experiences did Jesus desire something contrary to His Father\u2019s will\u2014<em>ever<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow do I know that? Because the text says, \u201cHe was tempted in every way as we are except without sin.\u201d That\u2019s not our experience of temptation. We often leap over the moral space between not desiring evil and desiring evil. That\u2019s what the James text is really all about, which says that: \u201cEach of us is tempted when he\u2019s carried away by his own desires.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThose desires drag away \/ pull away, and those desires give birth to sin\u2014which means that sometimes our own desires, themselves, become the temptation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe question is: \u201cAre the desires that we experience\u2014are they always sinless?\u201d Of course, James is teaching us that they\u2019re not. Sometimes we have sinful desires. Those desires become a temptation to us and give birth to a sinful deed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So I\u2019m trying to get my arms around this. I\u2019m thinking: \u201cI\u2019m at the Cheesecake Factory, and I\u2019ve just finished lunch. They say, \u2018Do you want this S\u2019more Cheesecake with the toasted marshmallow on top?\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath:<\/strong> \u201cYes!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That was my immediate response too; right? I hear you saying that temptation to want that might be a sin or might not be a sin. Is that what you\u2019re saying?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath:<\/strong> I think the key\u2014and it\u2019s really helpful for me is to think about external versus internal. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is the kind of temptation that is not sinful\u2014is the kind of temptation that is purely external. So to change the analogy a little bit\u2014let\u2019s say that you leave the room and there are two $20s on the table. In some sense, that\u2019s an external temptation. But if I have no internal desire for it, then I don\u2019t need to repent that Dennis and Bob left $40 on the table. That\u2019s just there, and it\u2019s not a problem for me. When it becomes a problem is when, internally, I begin to <em>want<\/em> something that is not mine and I take it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe external temptation, which is not sinful, created an internal temptation, which is sinful and that led to a sinful behavior. Then that disposition of my heart can begin\u2014not just to respond to external temptation\u2014but can begin to conjure up its own kind of temptation. So maybe the next time you\u2019re in here, my heart might start to desire, \u201cBoy, I hope Dennis and Bob leave 40 more dollars on the table.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, my heart has created its own kind of temptation. The issue is external versus internal. We don\u2019t repent of external temptation. We repent of internal temptation\u2014we really <em>want<\/em> bad things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> Think about what that <em>means<\/em> in terms of Jesus. Jesus <em>never<\/em> desired something that His Father had forbidden Him. John, Chapter 5, says that Jesus says, \u201cI can only do what I see my Father doing,\u201d\u2014which means that: \u201cWhen you think about the Father\u2019s will and My will, they\u2019re always in lock-step. They never go apart. I never desire something that is evil.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo what that means is\u2014that Jesus never violated His own command. In \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMatthew 5: \u201cDon\u2019t commit adultery \/ Don\u2019t desire adultery,\u201d\u2014He <em>never<\/em> looked at a woman lustfully\u2014which means that He is sitting there with the woman at the well; right?\u2014this Samaritan woman \/ He\u2019s alone with her. She tells Him that she\u2019s made herself sexually available to five different men. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s no indication that this is an issue with Him at all. Maybe there was a bait to lust\u2014the text doesn\u2019t say. He never looked at any woman or any man in any way with any disposition that was sinful <em>at<\/em> <em>all<\/em>. He always looked at people the way that He was supposed to look at people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur problem is\u2014is that we don\u2019t do that. We are <em>constantly<\/em> feeling things. I\u2019m not just talking homosexual temptations\u2014sometimes, you see a person at church and you\u2019re like: \u201cThat person\u2019s weird. I don\u2019t like them.\u201d You\u2019re <em>feeling<\/em> things about people that you ought not be feeling, but they still come quite naturally to you. Just because they\u2019re natural though doesn\u2019t mean that it\u2019s right. But here\u2019s the thing\u2014you\u2019re feeling those things\u2014maybe, a sinful attitude \/ sinful desires. Jesus never had those kinds of feelings. You don\u2019t want to project your own experience of temptation back onto Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So when Jesus\u2014Matthew, Chapter 4\u2014He\u2019s with Satan in the wilderness. Satan says: \u201cLook at all the kingdoms of the world. I\u2019ll give You these if You\u2019ll bow down to me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cForget the cross way of get\u201d\u2014because Jesus knows God\u2019s plan: \u2018I\u2019m going to get this anyway,\u2019 \u2014You can get it through the cross or just bow down to me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny: <\/strong>That\u2019s a bonified temptation; right? Temptation always contains two elements\u2014it contains a test and an enticement. The testing of temptation is some kind of experience of depravation or suffering; okay? Then there\u2019s the enticement, which is the invitation to do the evil.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So if Jesus is there, and He hears that, and He thinks to Himself, \u201cYou know, there\u2019s part of Me that would sure like to skip the cross.\u201d You\u2019re saying He wouldn\u2019t even have had that thought.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> What we\u2019re saying is\u2014is that both the test and the enticement were coming from Satan, not from His heart. That\u2019s what I\u2019m saying. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> But our experience of test and enticement is not always like that. Sometimes, test and enticement emerges from <em>within<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJesus did not have a sinful nature, like we do, so that it <em>produced<\/em> these tests and enticements to sin\u2014that He did just not have that within Him. So they were produced outside. Now, that doesn\u2019t mean that, when Satan said \u201cTurn these stones into bread,\u201d that Jesus felt no hunger\u2014of course, He did \/ He did feel hunger. He felt a <em>real<\/em> test\u2014there was nothing wrong with being hungry; okay? It\u2019s not wrong to be hungry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt <em>is<\/em> wrong to fulfill a natural desire in a sinful way, which is what Satan was tempting Him to do; but that enticement didn\u2019t come from within \/ it came from without. What James 1 is teaching us is\u2014that, oftentimes, our temptations are <em>emerging<\/em> as a result of our own sinful desires. When a sinful desire is the temptation, yes\u2014you have to repent of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay so both of you guys are raising young families. You have children ten and under. How are you teaching your children just about the practice of how to deal with desires that well up within them and to deal with them in a healthy way, from a spiritual standpoint? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> Well, I had this conversation this last week with my nine-year-old, who disobeyed us in a certain way. I asked her, \u201cWhy\u2019d you do that?\u201d She said, \u201cI don\u2019t know.\u201d How many of you have heard that from your kid: \u201cI don\u2019t know why I did that,\u201d \u201cI don\u2019t know why I did that,\u201d\u2014which means: \u201cI know that I wasn\u2019t supposed to do that, and I did it anyway. Why did I do that? I don\u2019t know why I did that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI actually sat there with my daughter\u2014 she\u2019s nine. I thought, \u201cWe\u2019re going to look at Romans 7 together. We\u2019re going to talk about what it means to be a sinner and what it means to appeal to the grace of Jesus for help with that.\u201d We just opened up to \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRomans 7 \u2014she\u2019s a believer \/ she\u2019s been baptized. I just said: \u201cListen, Sweetie; sometimes you do bad things because you have a sin nature. You\u2019re going to <em>feel<\/em> some things that feel natural to you sometimes, but they\u2019re still wrong. It\u2019s an occasion for repentance.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo we just had the conversation, sitting right there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s how you have to talk to your kids. Don\u2019t back away from those moments\u2014press into those moments and use them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath: <\/strong>James, Chapter 1, which we\u2019ve been talking about\u2014in verses 14 and 15, it says, \u201cBut each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire, when it\u2019s conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, when it\u2019s fully grown, brings forth death.\u201d So that sin and that death backs up to your desire. That teaches us, as Christians\u2014it teaches parents a very practical question that we ask our kids all the time: \u201cWhat do you want? Sin begins with an \u2018I want.\u2019 What do you want?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo when my son pushes his sister over or when one son takes a Lego<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> from another son, we say, \u201cWhat do you want?\u201d The answer is, \u201cWell, I wanted that Lego.\u201d \u201cYou wanted that Lego so <em>badly<\/em> that you\u2019d sin to get it, and sin when you didn\u2019t get it. You wanted that Lego more than you wanted to show care to your brother.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis actually gives a very <em>practical<\/em> parenting tool\u2014we can help our children identify what they\u2019re wanting and those desires, when they disagree with what Jesus tells them to desire, is exactly where they need to seek the grace of Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When they fail, they need to understand: \u201cThat\u2019s what Jesus Christ came to do\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath:<\/strong> That\u2019s what forgiveness is for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cto forgive them.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So a lot of times, these things that get in our way, as parents\u2014and their distractions \/ our kids are not obeying\u2014they\u2019re arguing about who\u2019s going to sit in the front seat as we go to school, day after day after day\u2014we need to use those as an opportunity to talk about what\u2019s taking place in their hearts and how \u201cThis is why Jesus Christ came. He came to save us from ourselves and our sinful desires.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath:<\/strong> We\u2019ve tried to create in our home just an environment of safety\u2014that: \u201cIf you want something that you\u2019re not supposed to want, you come talk to Daddy \/ you come talk to Mommy.\u201d We\u2019ve talked about this with all kinds of things. We talk about immodesty a lot in our house because there\u2019s immodesty <em>everywhere<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe just have a rule: \u201cWe don\u2019t look at immodest people in our house.\u201d Our ten-year-old son knows about the concept of, for example, pornography. He\u2019s never seen it\u2014by God\u2019s grace\u2014but he knows about it. If you asked him what pornography was, he would say it\u2019s, \u201cWhen people take pictures of immodest people.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy son has absolutely no idea why anybody would want to look at pictures of immodest people; but I know the time is going to come when he will understand why, and he might have that desire himself. We just have an agreement that, if he ever wants to see immodesty \/as soon as he wants to see an immodest person, he\u2019s going to come and talk to Daddy about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo when we create these conversations about desire and we create this openness in our home, it creates all kinds of parenting opportunities that you want because the kids are going to go get information about their desires from someplace. We ought to want it to be from us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, I feel like we\u2019ve unpacked the concept of temptation\/desire enough that we can now go to your book and apply it to the issue of homosexuality, which is how you really unpack it in the book, <em>Transforming Homosexuality<\/em>. Explain why this subject that what we\u2019re talking about here applies to the issue of homosexuality, as we train our children, as we relate to people in the marketplace, as we deal with family members, as we have friends at work. Share with them the <em>why<\/em> behind that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> Because homosexuality, like every other sin, begins in our desires. That is where the ground is being contested among some people who are Christians today. We want to say, \u201cListen, you can\u2019t exempt homosexual desires from that which God is intending to transform by His grace.\u201d So we want people to repent of homosexual behavior, but we also want them to repent of homosexual desire. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you feel yourself experiencing a desire for sinful sex\u2014whatever it is\u2014that\u2019s an occasion to turn from that, which means you repent\u2014that\u2019s what that is. The only things we repent of are things that are sinful. So what the Scripture teaches is that, when you\u2019re trying to analyze your own desire, the issue is: \u201cWhat is the <em>object<\/em> of the desire?\u201d If you desire something God forbids, then the desire <em>itself<\/em> is a sin, even if it\u2019s a slight desire.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What I want listeners to understand is\u2014when we come to a subject like homosexuality, you guys are challenging people to deal with the lust\u2014to deal with the desire, the drive, the lure\u2014that is within them at the point it occurs and not allow it to germinate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath: <\/strong>The reason this is so important is\u2014not just because it\u2019s true and not just because it\u2019s practical\u2014but because Christians are being <em>hammered<\/em> every day about two things: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNumber one\u2014the statement that \u201cHomosexuality is sinful,\u201d\u2014I mean, the culture just cannot <em>abide<\/em> that. So Christians get hammered on that. The other thing Christians get hammered on is: \u201cYou say people can change, and they can\u2019t. You\u2019re born this way. It\u2019s fixed. It\u2019s unchangeable.\u201d The reality is\u2014Christians have to hold the line that both of those claims from the culture are false. It is not true that homosexuality is right, and it\u2019s not true that homosexuality is unchangeable. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe gospel message is that homosexuality is wrong and sinful, and the gospel message is that Jesus Christ can change you by His grace. Understanding that temptation and desire is where all this begins helps us get the Christian message right. If we don\u2019t get that right, we\u2019re going to be the people who are only negative all the time. We\u2019re going to sit around saying: \u201cIt\u2019s wrong. It\u2019s wrong. It\u2019s wrong. Quit!\u201d But we\u2019ll have no clue how to help people quit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe fullness of the Christian message is: \u201cIt\u2019s wrong, and Jesus can change you. The way He will change you is when you repent from the desires out through behavior.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> And one thing I would want to clarify\u2014because we haven\u2019t talked about this yet\u2014but there\u2019s a whole section in the book on \u201cMyths about Change.\u201d One of the myths is that change equals heterosexuality. What we mean by that is that, when we talk about change, we define change in terms of holiness. Holiness, in this area, would mean you can put off desires that are sinful. That does not necessarily mean that heterosexual desires are going to emerge in their place. For some people, they do; for some people, they <em>don\u2019t<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut guess what? Holiness doesn\u2019t require the emergence of those. In fact, the absence of heterosexual desire in Scripture\u2014just look at Matthew 19 \/ 1 Corinthians 7\u2014often, the absence of heterosexual desire is treated as a gift. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt may be a special gift for a special vocation. So we don\u2019t want to imply that you have to become heterosexual to become holy. What we mean by that is: \u201cGod can transform sinful desires\u2014to eliminate them and make them diminish over time.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I hope what listeners are catching here is that this is not an aspect of following Jesus Christ, where we\u2019re trying to <em>slam<\/em> people who fail, because we\u2019re failures too. We\u2019re all broken \/ we all need a Savior\u2014He came to redeem us from that brokenness. Jesus came to bring life. He didn\u2019t come to bring all of these boundaries to confine us and put us in a cage like a bird. He came to give us life as He designed it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the Bible I was reading the other morning, I noticed there was a footnote. This is unusual, but it had Leviticus 18. I hadn\u2019t read this in a while so I just kind of, in a naive way, turned to Leviticus 18. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI began to read that and I thought, \u201cThis is God giving life.\u201d There are these warnings in the passage, and I\u2019m not going to go over them here on the radio. I\u2019d encourage a listener to just pick up their Bible, open it to Leviticus 18, and read all the way to the end of the chapter. By the time you do get to near the end of the chapter, God clearly speaks about a matter of homosexuality. He does not describe it in positive fashion\u2014it\u2019s negative. I\u2019d really forgotten it in there\u2014trust me, I really had. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know a lot of people are using Leviticus 18 today to talk about this; but I was like: \u201cJesus came to bring life. He\u2019s warning us about those things which take life from us.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had this thought\u2014I thought: \u201cYou know what? Christianity is a <em>remarkable<\/em> statement of belief in God. We do not present a popular message. It is, in fact, counter-cultural; but who else in the culture is talking about sin? Who else is talking about turning away from it?\u2014not just <em>this<\/em> sin\u2014but other issues: like modesty, like selfishness, like spousal abuse. Who else is defending people?\u2014from a matter of saying, \u2018This is a moral issue that our God has spoken out about; and He wants to bring life, not death.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just think families today\u2014they need to be rallying around each other, opening the Bible, reading it, let it speak, and then talk about how you apply it to your lives. If you wonder what you believe about this subject of homosexuality, get a copy of <em>Transforming Homosexuality<\/em> because\u2014like any other sin \/ like any other form of brokenness\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it is why Jesus Christ came to redeem us, and to save us from our sins, and to get us into heaven as His children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The book is really pointing us to the idea that: \u201cIf you want to deal with a wrong desire, like homosexuality, let\u2019s deal with it at the root level, not just at the behavioral level. Let\u2019s get down to the desire level and really get to where it thrives.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Again, we have copies of the book, <em>Transforming Homosexuality<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. Go online to FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. You can order a copy of the book from us\u2014we\u2019ll get it out to you. Again, online\u2014FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014or give us a call at 1-800-\u201dF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, \u201cHappy anniversary!\u201d today to Wayne and Tamela Foley, who live in Carrollton, Texas. Twenty-five years ago today, the Foley\u2019s got married, back in 1991\u2014their silver wedding anniversary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, let me just mention: \u201cAlong the way, Wayne and Tamela have been to four <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways. That may be a factor in why they\u2019ve made it to their 25th wedding anniversary. In fact, we\u2019ve heard from a lot of couples, who have said to us over the years, \u201cWe\u2019re not sure we\u2019d still be married today if it weren\u2019t for how God has used FamilyLife in our lives.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor those of you who have helped support this ministry over the years, you\u2019re a big part of that. You are partners with us in this ministry. You ought to know that, during the month of May, we\u2019ve had some friends, who have come to us and said they are going to help us out with a special gift this month. They are going to match every donation we receive, during the month of May, up to a total of $350,000. So we\u2019re hoping that we can take full advantage of that matching gift. To do so, we need to turn to you and ask you to go to FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014make an online donation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a donation over the phone. 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Burk and Heath Lambert explain that while some sin is external and comes from the outside, other sins are internal and stem from our own desires.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-05-18.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What do you do when the things you believe are not popular? Heath Lambert says, \u201cYou keep believing the truth.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath: <\/strong>Christians are being <em>hammered<\/em> every day about two things. Number one\u2014the statement that \u201cHomosexuality is sinful.\u201d The other things Christians get hammered on is: \u201cYou say people can change, and they can\u2019t.\u201d The reality is\u2014Christians have to hold the line that both of those claims from the culture are false. The gospel message is that: \u201cHomosexuality is wrong and sinful.\u201d The gospel message is that \u201cJesus Christ can change you by His grace.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, May 18<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. So should we expect that a Christian, who experiences same-sex attraction, will change? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd if so, what do we mean by change? What will that change look like? We\u2019re going to spend time thinking about that together today. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We\u2019re going to try to tackle something that many of our listeners have probably heard that may not be true. They may have heard this at church, and you\u2019re saying it may not be true; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly right. Dr. Heath Lambert and Denny Burk join us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Denny, Heath, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> It\u2019s good to be here. Thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath:<\/strong> Thank you very much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They\u2019ve written a book called <em>Transforming Homosexuality: What the Bible Says about Sexual Orientation and Change<\/em>. What we\u2019re going to do here, for a moment\u2014because both you guys are pastors \/ you\u2019re authors\u2014I\u2019m going to pull you back away from the specific topic of cultural clashing that we\u2019re dealing with today, homosexuality.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to talk about something that I don\u2019t know that we\u2019ve ever really talked about, here on <em>FamilyLife Today,<\/em> directly; and that is sin. We\u2019ve mentioned it\u2014it gets all kinds of mentions around here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s gotten a few mentions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, yes; but here\u2019s my point\u2014since childhood, I was taught that temptation is not a sin. It\u2019s clear\u2014at least I was taught\u2014in James that it\u2019s the idea of what gives birth to sin. It is not the temptation that is a sin. But you guys come along and write a book where, as you unpack your book, you\u2019re really dealing with the issue of <em>desire<\/em>. As you deal with desire, you have to deal with temptation. So I\u2019m going to ask you both, point-blank, \u201cIs temptation a sin?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> Well, most of the time people ask that question because they\u2019ve been reading their Bible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey know Hebrews 4:15\u2014which says, \u201cJesus was tempted in every way as we are yet without sin.\u201d So clearly\u2014there you have it \/ right there in Scripture\u2014that Jesus experienced temptation, and there\u2019s no sin in that. We want to say, clearly, up front: \u201cNot all temptation is sin.\u201d What we\u2019re arguing is\u2014that some temptation can be sinful. The reason that we say that is because, just because all of Jesus\u2019 temptations were sinless, doesn\u2019t mean that every possible temptation would be that way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPeople kind of look at Hebrews 4:15 that says, \u201cHe was tempted in every way as we are yet without sin.\u201d People focus on \u201cas we are,\u201d and we think about our own experience. We think about how oftentimes we feel desires welling up in our hearts for things that God forbids to us, and we experience those desires \/ those temptations to do the bad thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo we look at Hebrews 4:15 and we say, \u201cThat\u2019s a temptation I\u2019m feeling; therefore, it\u2019s not sinful.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen we project that back onto Jesus. That\u2019s the wrong way to do it\u2014our experience of temptation is not the measure of things. Jesus\u2019 experience is the measure of us. The text says, \u201cHe experienced temptation just like we do except without sin,\u201d meaning that whatever Jesus experienced\u2014let\u2019s take His temptations in the wilderness with the devil himself\u2014at <em>no<\/em> point in those temptation experiences did Jesus desire something contrary to His Father\u2019s will\u2014<em>ever<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow do I know that? Because the text says, \u201cHe was tempted in every way as we are except without sin.\u201d That\u2019s not our experience of temptation. We often leap over the moral space between not desiring evil and desiring evil. That\u2019s what the James text is really all about, which says that: \u201cEach of us is tempted when he\u2019s carried away by his own desires.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThose desires drag away \/ pull away, and those desires give birth to sin\u2014which means that sometimes our own desires, themselves, become the temptation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe question is: \u201cAre the desires that we experience\u2014are they always sinless?\u201d Of course, James is teaching us that they\u2019re not. Sometimes we have sinful desires. Those desires become a temptation to us and give birth to a sinful deed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So I\u2019m trying to get my arms around this. I\u2019m thinking: \u201cI\u2019m at the Cheesecake Factory, and I\u2019ve just finished lunch. 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But if I have no internal desire for it, then I don\u2019t need to repent that Dennis and Bob left $40 on the table. That\u2019s just there, and it\u2019s not a problem for me. When it becomes a problem is when, internally, I begin to <em>want<\/em> something that is not mine and I take it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe external temptation, which is not sinful, created an internal temptation, which is sinful and that led to a sinful behavior. Then that disposition of my heart can begin\u2014not just to respond to external temptation\u2014but can begin to conjure up its own kind of temptation. So maybe the next time you\u2019re in here, my heart might start to desire, \u201cBoy, I hope Dennis and Bob leave 40 more dollars on the table.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, my heart has created its own kind of temptation. The issue is external versus internal. We don\u2019t repent of external temptation. We repent of internal temptation\u2014we really <em>want<\/em> bad things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> Think about what that <em>means<\/em> in terms of Jesus. Jesus <em>never<\/em> desired something that His Father had forbidden Him. John, Chapter 5, says that Jesus says, \u201cI can only do what I see my Father doing,\u201d\u2014which means that: \u201cWhen you think about the Father\u2019s will and My will, they\u2019re always in lock-step. They never go apart. I never desire something that is evil.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo what that means is\u2014that Jesus never violated His own command. In \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMatthew 5: \u201cDon\u2019t commit adultery \/ Don\u2019t desire adultery,\u201d\u2014He <em>never<\/em> looked at a woman lustfully\u2014which means that He is sitting there with the woman at the well; right?\u2014this Samaritan woman \/ He\u2019s alone with her. She tells Him that she\u2019s made herself sexually available to five different men. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s no indication that this is an issue with Him at all. Maybe there was a bait to lust\u2014the text doesn\u2019t say. He never looked at any woman or any man in any way with any disposition that was sinful <em>at<\/em> <em>all<\/em>. He always looked at people the way that He was supposed to look at people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur problem is\u2014is that we don\u2019t do that. We are <em>constantly<\/em> feeling things. I\u2019m not just talking homosexual temptations\u2014sometimes, you see a person at church and you\u2019re like: \u201cThat person\u2019s weird. I don\u2019t like them.\u201d You\u2019re <em>feeling<\/em> things about people that you ought not be feeling, but they still come quite naturally to you. Just because they\u2019re natural though doesn\u2019t mean that it\u2019s right. But here\u2019s the thing\u2014you\u2019re feeling those things\u2014maybe, a sinful attitude \/ sinful desires. Jesus never had those kinds of feelings. You don\u2019t want to project your own experience of temptation back onto Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So when Jesus\u2014Matthew, Chapter 4\u2014He\u2019s with Satan in the wilderness. Satan says: \u201cLook at all the kingdoms of the world. I\u2019ll give You these if You\u2019ll bow down to me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cForget the cross way of get\u201d\u2014because Jesus knows God\u2019s plan: \u2018I\u2019m going to get this anyway,\u2019 \u2014You can get it through the cross or just bow down to me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny: <\/strong>That\u2019s a bonified temptation; right? Temptation always contains two elements\u2014it contains a test and an enticement. The testing of temptation is some kind of experience of depravation or suffering; okay? Then there\u2019s the enticement, which is the invitation to do the evil.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So if Jesus is there, and He hears that, and He thinks to Himself, \u201cYou know, there\u2019s part of Me that would sure like to skip the cross.\u201d You\u2019re saying He wouldn\u2019t even have had that thought.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> What we\u2019re saying is\u2014is that both the test and the enticement were coming from Satan, not from His heart. That\u2019s what I\u2019m saying. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> But our experience of test and enticement is not always like that. Sometimes, test and enticement emerges from <em>within<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJesus did not have a sinful nature, like we do, so that it <em>produced<\/em> these tests and enticements to sin\u2014that He did just not have that within Him. So they were produced outside. Now, that doesn\u2019t mean that, when Satan said \u201cTurn these stones into bread,\u201d that Jesus felt no hunger\u2014of course, He did \/ He did feel hunger. He felt a <em>real<\/em> test\u2014there was nothing wrong with being hungry; okay? It\u2019s not wrong to be hungry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt <em>is<\/em> wrong to fulfill a natural desire in a sinful way, which is what Satan was tempting Him to do; but that enticement didn\u2019t come from within \/ it came from without. What James 1 is teaching us is\u2014that, oftentimes, our temptations are <em>emerging<\/em> as a result of our own sinful desires. When a sinful desire is the temptation, yes\u2014you have to repent of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay so both of you guys are raising young families. You have children ten and under. How are you teaching your children just about the practice of how to deal with desires that well up within them and to deal with them in a healthy way, from a spiritual standpoint? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> Well, I had this conversation this last week with my nine-year-old, who disobeyed us in a certain way. I asked her, \u201cWhy\u2019d you do that?\u201d She said, \u201cI don\u2019t know.\u201d How many of you have heard that from your kid: \u201cI don\u2019t know why I did that,\u201d \u201cI don\u2019t know why I did that,\u201d\u2014which means: \u201cI know that I wasn\u2019t supposed to do that, and I did it anyway. Why did I do that? I don\u2019t know why I did that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI actually sat there with my daughter\u2014 she\u2019s nine. I thought, \u201cWe\u2019re going to look at Romans 7 together. We\u2019re going to talk about what it means to be a sinner and what it means to appeal to the grace of Jesus for help with that.\u201d We just opened up to \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRomans 7 \u2014she\u2019s a believer \/ she\u2019s been baptized. I just said: \u201cListen, Sweetie; sometimes you do bad things because you have a sin nature. You\u2019re going to <em>feel<\/em> some things that feel natural to you sometimes, but they\u2019re still wrong. It\u2019s an occasion for repentance.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo we just had the conversation, sitting right there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s how you have to talk to your kids. Don\u2019t back away from those moments\u2014press into those moments and use them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath: <\/strong>James, Chapter 1, which we\u2019ve been talking about\u2014in verses 14 and 15, it says, \u201cBut each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire, when it\u2019s conceived, gives birth to sin; and sin, when it\u2019s fully grown, brings forth death.\u201d So that sin and that death backs up to your desire. That teaches us, as Christians\u2014it teaches parents a very practical question that we ask our kids all the time: \u201cWhat do you want? Sin begins with an \u2018I want.\u2019 What do you want?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo when my son pushes his sister over or when one son takes a Lego<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> from another son, we say, \u201cWhat do you want?\u201d The answer is, \u201cWell, I wanted that Lego.\u201d \u201cYou wanted that Lego so <em>badly<\/em> that you\u2019d sin to get it, and sin when you didn\u2019t get it. You wanted that Lego more than you wanted to show care to your brother.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis actually gives a very <em>practical<\/em> parenting tool\u2014we can help our children identify what they\u2019re wanting and those desires, when they disagree with what Jesus tells them to desire, is exactly where they need to seek the grace of Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When they fail, they need to understand: \u201cThat\u2019s what Jesus Christ came to do\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath:<\/strong> That\u2019s what forgiveness is for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cto forgive them.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So a lot of times, these things that get in our way, as parents\u2014and their distractions \/ our kids are not obeying\u2014they\u2019re arguing about who\u2019s going to sit in the front seat as we go to school, day after day after day\u2014we need to use those as an opportunity to talk about what\u2019s taking place in their hearts and how \u201cThis is why Jesus Christ came. He came to save us from ourselves and our sinful desires.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath:<\/strong> We\u2019ve tried to create in our home just an environment of safety\u2014that: \u201cIf you want something that you\u2019re not supposed to want, you come talk to Daddy \/ you come talk to Mommy.\u201d We\u2019ve talked about this with all kinds of things. We talk about immodesty a lot in our house because there\u2019s immodesty <em>everywhere<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe just have a rule: \u201cWe don\u2019t look at immodest people in our house.\u201d Our ten-year-old son knows about the concept of, for example, pornography. He\u2019s never seen it\u2014by God\u2019s grace\u2014but he knows about it. If you asked him what pornography was, he would say it\u2019s, \u201cWhen people take pictures of immodest people.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy son has absolutely no idea why anybody would want to look at pictures of immodest people; but I know the time is going to come when he will understand why, and he might have that desire himself. We just have an agreement that, if he ever wants to see immodesty \/as soon as he wants to see an immodest person, he\u2019s going to come and talk to Daddy about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo when we create these conversations about desire and we create this openness in our home, it creates all kinds of parenting opportunities that you want because the kids are going to go get information about their desires from someplace. We ought to want it to be from us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, I feel like we\u2019ve unpacked the concept of temptation\/desire enough that we can now go to your book and apply it to the issue of homosexuality, which is how you really unpack it in the book, <em>Transforming Homosexuality<\/em>. Explain why this subject that what we\u2019re talking about here applies to the issue of homosexuality, as we train our children, as we relate to people in the marketplace, as we deal with family members, as we have friends at work. Share with them the <em>why<\/em> behind that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> Because homosexuality, like every other sin, begins in our desires. That is where the ground is being contested among some people who are Christians today. We want to say, \u201cListen, you can\u2019t exempt homosexual desires from that which God is intending to transform by His grace.\u201d So we want people to repent of homosexual behavior, but we also want them to repent of homosexual desire. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you feel yourself experiencing a desire for sinful sex\u2014whatever it is\u2014that\u2019s an occasion to turn from that, which means you repent\u2014that\u2019s what that is. The only things we repent of are things that are sinful. So what the Scripture teaches is that, when you\u2019re trying to analyze your own desire, the issue is: \u201cWhat is the <em>object<\/em> of the desire?\u201d If you desire something God forbids, then the desire <em>itself<\/em> is a sin, even if it\u2019s a slight desire.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What I want listeners to understand is\u2014when we come to a subject like homosexuality, you guys are challenging people to deal with the lust\u2014to deal with the desire, the drive, the lure\u2014that is within them at the point it occurs and not allow it to germinate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heath: <\/strong>The reason this is so important is\u2014not just because it\u2019s true and not just because it\u2019s practical\u2014but because Christians are being <em>hammered<\/em> every day about two things: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNumber one\u2014the statement that \u201cHomosexuality is sinful,\u201d\u2014I mean, the culture just cannot <em>abide<\/em> that. So Christians get hammered on that. The other thing Christians get hammered on is: \u201cYou say people can change, and they can\u2019t. You\u2019re born this way. It\u2019s fixed. It\u2019s unchangeable.\u201d The reality is\u2014Christians have to hold the line that both of those claims from the culture are false. It is not true that homosexuality is right, and it\u2019s not true that homosexuality is unchangeable. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe gospel message is that homosexuality is wrong and sinful, and the gospel message is that Jesus Christ can change you by His grace. Understanding that temptation and desire is where all this begins helps us get the Christian message right. If we don\u2019t get that right, we\u2019re going to be the people who are only negative all the time. We\u2019re going to sit around saying: \u201cIt\u2019s wrong. It\u2019s wrong. It\u2019s wrong. Quit!\u201d But we\u2019ll have no clue how to help people quit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe fullness of the Christian message is: \u201cIt\u2019s wrong, and Jesus can change you. The way He will change you is when you repent from the desires out through behavior.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Denny:<\/strong> And one thing I would want to clarify\u2014because we haven\u2019t talked about this yet\u2014but there\u2019s a whole section in the book on \u201cMyths about Change.\u201d One of the myths is that change equals heterosexuality. What we mean by that is that, when we talk about change, we define change in terms of holiness. Holiness, in this area, would mean you can put off desires that are sinful. That does not necessarily mean that heterosexual desires are going to emerge in their place. For some people, they do; for some people, they <em>don\u2019t<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut guess what? Holiness doesn\u2019t require the emergence of those. In fact, the absence of heterosexual desire in Scripture\u2014just look at Matthew 19 \/ 1 Corinthians 7\u2014often, the absence of heterosexual desire is treated as a gift. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt may be a special gift for a special vocation. So we don\u2019t want to imply that you have to become heterosexual to become holy. What we mean by that is: \u201cGod can transform sinful desires\u2014to eliminate them and make them diminish over time.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I hope what listeners are catching here is that this is not an aspect of following Jesus Christ, where we\u2019re trying to <em>slam<\/em> people who fail, because we\u2019re failures too. We\u2019re all broken \/ we all need a Savior\u2014He came to redeem us from that brokenness. Jesus came to bring life. He didn\u2019t come to bring all of these boundaries to confine us and put us in a cage like a bird. He came to give us life as He designed it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the Bible I was reading the other morning, I noticed there was a footnote. This is unusual, but it had Leviticus 18. I hadn\u2019t read this in a while so I just kind of, in a naive way, turned to Leviticus 18. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI began to read that and I thought, \u201cThis is God giving life.\u201d There are these warnings in the passage, and I\u2019m not going to go over them here on the radio. I\u2019d encourage a listener to just pick up their Bible, open it to Leviticus 18, and read all the way to the end of the chapter. By the time you do get to near the end of the chapter, God clearly speaks about a matter of homosexuality. He does not describe it in positive fashion\u2014it\u2019s negative. I\u2019d really forgotten it in there\u2014trust me, I really had. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know a lot of people are using Leviticus 18 today to talk about this; but I was like: \u201cJesus came to bring life. He\u2019s warning us about those things which take life from us.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had this thought\u2014I thought: \u201cYou know what? Christianity is a <em>remarkable<\/em> statement of belief in God. We do not present a popular message. It is, in fact, counter-cultural; but who else in the culture is talking about sin? Who else is talking about turning away from it?\u2014not just <em>this<\/em> sin\u2014but other issues: like modesty, like selfishness, like spousal abuse. Who else is defending people?\u2014from a matter of saying, \u2018This is a moral issue that our God has spoken out about; and He wants to bring life, not death.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just think families today\u2014they need to be rallying around each other, opening the Bible, reading it, let it speak, and then talk about how you apply it to your lives. If you wonder what you believe about this subject of homosexuality, get a copy of <em>Transforming Homosexuality<\/em> because\u2014like any other sin \/ like any other form of brokenness\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it is why Jesus Christ came to redeem us, and to save us from our sins, and to get us into heaven as His children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The book is really pointing us to the idea that: \u201cIf you want to deal with a wrong desire, like homosexuality, let\u2019s deal with it at the root level, not just at the behavioral level. Let\u2019s get down to the desire level and really get to where it thrives.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Again, we have copies of the book, <em>Transforming Homosexuality<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. Go online to FamilyLifeToday.com, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. You can order a copy of the book from us\u2014we\u2019ll get it out to you. Again, online\u2014FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014or give us a call at 1-800-\u201dF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, \u201cHappy anniversary!\u201d today to Wayne and Tamela Foley, who live in Carrollton, Texas. Twenty-five years ago today, the Foley\u2019s got married, back in 1991\u2014their silver wedding anniversary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, let me just mention: \u201cAlong the way, Wayne and Tamela have been to four <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways. That may be a factor in why they\u2019ve made it to their 25th wedding anniversary. 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