{"id":303986,"date":"2016-05-06T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2016-05-06T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/helping-your-child-understand-the-holy-spirit\/"},"modified":"2016-05-06T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2016-05-06T15:00:00","slug":"helping-your-child-understand-the-holy-spirit","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/helping-your-child-understand-the-holy-spirit\/","title":{"rendered":"Helping Your Child Understand the Holy Spirit"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>guest: Bruce Ware | Series: Big Truths for Young Hearts | How, and what, do you teach your children about the Holy Spirit? 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[Laughter] I said, \u201cI don\u2019t see any techno-pen,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014where they were communicating on their pen\u2014like they were in <em>The Man from U.N.C.L.E.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I kind of gave up on it right away, but his intention was good! He was trying to point us in the right direction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Ultimately, he is right; but for a parent or a pastor of a six- or a seven-year-old\u2014who is competing with the high-tech nature of media\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t quit watching <em>The Man from U.N.C.L.E.<\/em>\u2014I\u2019ll tell you that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, there you go. This week, we\u2019ve been talking about how we can teach biblical truth about who God is to our children because it\u2019s a command of Scripture that parents are to begin this relay race. Actually, they\u2019re to continue the relay race. Maybe some of the parents didn\u2019t grow up in a Christian home; but you know what? They can start their own relay race of truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith us is a professor, who has become the Professor of Practical Theology, here of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, equipping parents to be able to do that\u2014Dr. Bruce Ware. Bruce, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Thank you, Dennis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Now, he does that professionally at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is the professor of Christian Theology. We\u2019ve dubbed you, here, of Practical Theology.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Isn\u2019t there something in your bio\u2014haven\u2019t you taught a course called \u201cPractical Theology\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Oh, sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; there you go!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, he has taught it to his children, Bethany and Rachel, and dedicated a book to them. It\u2019s called <em>Big Truths for Young Hearts<\/em>; and it\u2019s teaching and learning about the greatness of God. It\u2019s all about a big word called \u201ctheology.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It means passing on the truth about who God is. Bruce, if Barbara was here, this is something she would get on her soapbox about because she really doesn\u2019t think that we, as parents, are equipped to be able to teach our children about the Trinity, in general,\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and specifically about who the Holy Spirit is, and what His purpose is, and why He came,\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and what He\u2019s all about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo the first question I want you to unpack for us is: \u201cWhat does the average listener today need to know about the person of the Holy Spirit?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBefore we get to our kids, let\u2019s just speak to the adults for a moment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Right. You know, when you look at Scripture itself of the teaching of the Spirit, there is one thing that is <em>so<\/em> <em>clear<\/em> all the way through\u2014and that is, He is the\u2014His primary role is empowering the work of the Father and the Son. He always assists in some capacity. He comes to empower a prophet to speak the word of the Lord correctly; but it\u2019s generally not a word about Himself, for the most part. In fact, you can even think of the whole Bible as being inspired by the Spirit\u20142 Peter 1, verses 20 and 21 says, \u201cMen moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.\u201d And yet the Bible is not principally autobiographical\u2014it\u2019s the Spirit\u2019s inspiring men to write about Christ, primarily.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> You realize\u2014boy, when you see the Spirit rightly from the Bible, you realize here is One Who, though He is God\u2014He is equal in His essence \/ in His nature with the Father and the Son\u2014and yet His role all throughout redemptive history is one in which He is an assistant. In fact, some have talked about Him as the forgotten member of the Trinity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> But, in one sense, He wants to be forgotten. You know, when the Spirit indwells a person, the Spirit's presence is made known, not so much in showing for the Spirit, but showing forth Christ. So, really, in everything that the Spirit does, He seeks to bring honor and glory to Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When I was growing up, and even in trying to explain this to my children, the things that kind of came to mind, when I think about the Holy Spirit, were images from the popular culture\u2014 I thought about Tinker Bell from Peter Pan\u2014you know, who is this little fairy, who flies around. I think, in the original Peter Pan, it was kind of a flashlight beam as opposed to an animated figure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDo you remember that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Sure; sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And then I remember Casper, the Friendly Ghost.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That's what I remember.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So I think about the Holy Spirit. We talked, of course, about the Holy Ghost in the old days; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So how do you help a child understand the true nature of what we're talking about when we talk about the person of the Holy Spirit, if they're thinking about Tinker Bell, or Casper, or whatever the modern-day equivalent of those things is?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, we talk about the Father and the Son. We have illustrations of what a Father and a Son looks like; but when it comes to a person being the Holy Spirit, we don't have a visible illustration.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> No; we don't. Of course, this is one of those areas\u2014Bob, you mentioned in a previous program, Deuteronomy 29:29, \"The secret things belong to the Lord our God.\"\u00a0 That's the first half of the verse. Of course, that's true here, where we cannot comprehend what it means to be a person without a body \/ without a brain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow do you have a mind without a brain?\u00a0 And yet God is Spirit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe learn in John 4 the Father Himself is Spirit in nature \/ does not have a body. Christ\u2014or what I should say\u2014is the Eternal Son, apart from becoming incarnate\/\u00a0 taking on human flesh, does not have a physical existence. So God, as a whole, is Spirit. And the Holy Spirit is one of the persons of the Godhead who, like the other persons of the Godhead, has no body and yet is fully personal\u2014has emotions, thoughts, actions, will\u2014and in fact, carries out all that happens in the universe by the exertion of His power and does so, as a person. Yet, we cannot comprehend what that is because it's beyond our understanding, as human beings.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And so here we are, as parents\u2014I mean, I'm listening to you and I have to say, \"I hadn't thought about some of those things before you just rattled off. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYet, as a parent, I am to introduce my children to who God is\u2014and my grandchildren. One of the members of the Trinity that I need to begin to explain, in terms of a secret, is the Holy Spirit, especially when they place their faith in Christ. Because at the point a person places their faith in Christ, they <em>are<\/em> baptized with the Holy Spirit\u2014He comes to indwell them and live within them. The choice, then, becomes ours: \u201cWill we be filled with the Spirit?\u201d or \u201cWill we quench or grieve the Spirit?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact, we often talk about Jesus coming to live in your heart, which is not necessarily a biblical concept. Would we be better off saying that it's the Holy Spirit who comes to live in your heart?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes, I think where we get that from is when Jesus says, in Matthew 28, \"I will be with you always to the end of the age.\" But how is Christ with His people?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe is with them through the Spirit whom He sent\u2014His Spirit. Christ is with us as He has sent His Spirit, who will mediate to us \/ bring to us the very presence of Christ in His work in us and through us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay; let's talk about your two daughters, then, Rachel and Bethany. How did you teach them about the Holy Spirit, and when did you start teaching them? Because this was one of the challenges Barbara and I faced. It's why she would raise this question in the first place\u2014is: \u201cHow do we teach our kids who He is, what He does, and how\u2014He works?\u201d I almost said it; didn't I?\u2014\u201c\u2026how \u2018It\u2019 works?\u201d No; it's not\u2014\u201cIt\u201d\u2014it\u2019s \"He\"\u2014\u201c\u2026how <em>He<\/em> works in their lives?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes. Well, I started when they were pretty young; but I realized\u2014Bethany was about seven years old \/ Rachel was about four when I started teaching through these truths of the Christian faith. Of course, at first, it was very, very simple\u2014simpler than what I have written in this book for example. I couldn't have taught them all of those things, ages four and five\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>\u2014but, honestly, by age of seven and eight, they were actually getting an understanding of many of these truths and much greater grasp of it than I really thought would be possible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnother thing I just want to say\u2014to encourage parents in this\u2014is never to forget that that same Holy Spirit\u2014maybe is the subject of discussion right now with your children\u2014is the Holy Spirit who is at work in opening eyes to see these truths in ways that could never be understood apart from the Holy Spirit's illumination \/ His enlightenment. We need, as parents, to realize we really cannot convey what we would like to. Even the things that we do know, we can't convey those things in ways that our children necessarily will get it right, but it requires the work of the Spirit\u2014so to have this dependence \/ this heart of dependence on what only God can do, by His Spirit, in the lives of our children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I thought where you were going there, Bruce, for a moment, was: \u201cHe is the Spirit of God who convicts a person of their own need for salvation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes. Well, that is absolutely true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cAnd He is the One who creates the new birth that makes an old creature a new creation.\u201d As parents, we can't do that. We want to move our children from the old to the new \/ from being lost to being a child of God, but we can't do that. We are dependent upon Him to do that in front of our very eyes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> That's right, yes; but what the Spirit uses, then, is truth from His Word. I think, sometimes, parents think: \"Well, if my children can't get this, then I'm not going to try to convey these truths from the Bible to my children. It's beyond them.\" But it's not taking into account the way the Spirit can work with that truth. I mean, why did He give that truth to us? He intends to use it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, if you look through the Bible, you see \"Spirit\" and \"Word\" always go together\u2014so the Spirit uses the Word as His means to open their eyes to see the beauty of the truth and, by that, bring them to Christ and then grow them in Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So if your child came to you and said: \"Daddy, I was praying the other day. This thought came into my mind; and I wondered, \u2018Is that from the Holy Spirit?\u2019\"\u00a0 First of all, does the Holy Spirit do stuff like that?\u2014put thoughts in our minds when we're praying\u2014and then, secondly, how do we know if that thought is from the Spirit or from somewhere else?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes. Well, I believe that the Holy Spirit <em>can<\/em> put thoughts in our minds; that is, lead us to think in particular ways. This is part of His work\u2014to convict us of sin\u2014He brings those things to mind as well as positive things and things that would incline us toward what is good. But the only test we have of whether the Spirit has led in a particular way is from the Word itself\u2014the Scriptures. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is the grounding we have of the revelation of God, and we <em>cannot<\/em> trust our own sense of what the Spirit may have indicated. We just have to be careful to realize that His leading can <em>never<\/em> come in a form that would violate the clear teaching of Scripture. I mean, a man says, \u201cOh the Spirit led me to divorce my wife and move in with this other woman.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> \u201cOh, He did not! I\u2019m sorry! This is in violation of Scripture.\u201d So we have to be careful not to fall off either side of this road we\u2019re on; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Allow too permissive understanding of the Spirit\u2019s work or rule it out all together\u2014in terms of the Spirit\u2019s inclining our hearts\u2014giving us strong indications, and motivations, and ideas that are given to me. I'm sure, Dennis, the Lord, over the years, has given to you <em>many<\/em> ideas\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No doubt.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> \u2014by His Spirit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No doubt about it, Bruce.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I wanted to pass on to our children goes back to\u2014I believe it\u2019s Psalm 78, where we\u2019re commanded to pass on the truth of God and the testimony of God\u2014which is, first of all, the standard of truth, which we\u2019ve talked about here, the truth of the Bible\u2014but second of all, the experience of God in our lives. That\u2019s what makes a testimony. I think, sometimes, the Christian community gets so afraid of the experiential side\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014we\u2019re afraid to testify.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We\u2019re afraid to train our children to know how to respond to the Holy Spirit\u2019s prompting. That\u2019s why I would say to my children: \u201cIf you have the thought a couple of times, and it doesn\u2019t betray Scripture, then maybe you need to act on it. Maybe you need to initiate a conversation with that person \/ maybe you need to go engage with them around a matter that they\u2019re facing.\u201d What I just want to train our kids to do is to walk in the truth of God\u2019s Word and the experience of God on a daily basis by faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Bruce, let me ask you what I think a lot of parents really wrestle with\u2014a five-year-old child comes and says, \u201cYou know, I would like to pray to ask Jesus to come into my heart.\u201d Mom and Dad are thrilled when a five-year-old child says that. So maybe they get together; and Mom talks, reads some Scripture, prays with the child, and then, she walks away and goes: \"Okay, what just happened there? Did my child come to faith? How do I know? What do I do?\" \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow would you coach a parent, when a child comes home from Vacation Bible School and says, \"I prayed at Vacation Bible School to become a Christian today.\" Do we celebrate with the angels of heaven?\u2014that there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents?\u2014or do we scratch our head and go, \"I wonder if that really took?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Right; right. Well, again, that's a great question, Bob. I do think this is another area where you walk a fine line, and you can err on either of two sides. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne is by pooh-poohing the whole thing \/ \"Oh, a five-year-old. This couldn't be the case,\" and really depriving\u2014if, in fact, this conversion has taken place\u2014depriving this child, who is now a believer in Christ, of reveling in forgiveness of sin and entering into eternal life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn the other hand, you don't want to <em>presume<\/em> immediately that this, in fact, has happened. So you encourage and say: \"Honey, you know, if this was a genuine expression of your life \/ of your heart and longing, this is wonderful! I rejoice with you. One of the evidences that this is a true belief of your heart is that it will continue. Let's just keep talking.\u201d If it has\u2014my goodness!\u2014 it's just the beginning of this growth process, as this child grows to understand better who God is, and what their own sin is, and what Christ has done, and the glories of the riches of His Word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let me jump ahead now, 12 years later. Your five-year-old is now a seventeen-year-old. You did see, back when they were five, some indication that they had a tender heart for God\u2014they were studying the Word and a lot going on\u2014but now, at seventeen, there is no interest in the things of God. What kind of a conclusion do you draw, as a parent, about what's happened to your child?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Well, you pray. You pray a lot for those children, and you never give up praying. You never give up on the power of God to take hold of that life again. If there is a longstanding rebellion \/ disinterest in the things of God, I do think that you, at some point, begin to wonder whether, as a child, this person really did truly come to Christ \/ truly was converted because we know, from Scripture, that the evidence of the work of the Spirit in the life of the person is what helps us know that this person truly has been saved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, on the other hand, there can be these long periods of time, and then, someone does come back\u2014the Lord brings them back. I think we need to wait for that, pray for that, hope for that. When that happens, I think sometimes it's hard to know for sure if the person was saved originally or if they came to Christ at this point.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt's a challenge, indeed; but one I think parents need to, again, not fall off on either side\u2014of either dismissing their children as unbelievers altogether, and concluding that there is no hope for them\u2014or of, my goodness, of assuming that that original statement of faith, as a child, was true and not urging them to come back to the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, there are two things going on here. One is the simple concept of not hindering your children\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to come into a relationship with Christ\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tand of always making that invitation real clear\u2014that God is interested in knowing us \/ walking with us. Frankly, the older I get, the more mysterious the new birth really is. Jesus compared it to the wind\u2014you know, you don't see it\u2014you feel it \/ you see its results; but it's still a bit of a mystery, you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNot only not hindering a child but, secondly, not giving them false hope: \u201cBecause they made a decision when they were young; therefore, they really are a true follower of Christ.\u201d You know, I can't answer that question for every parent; because it's a difficult one to call\u2014the question that Bob was asking you here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat we need, as parents, is\u2014we need a way to impart, number one, who God is. Secondly, who we are, in light of who God is; which means, thirdly, we need a Savior\u2014and we need to know God the Father, God the Son, and as we talked about today, God the Holy Spirit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis book, <em>Big Truths for Little Hearts<\/em>\u2014I just think\u2014I think there's going to be a lot of parents benefit from this \/ aunts and uncles, who may have an objective of teaching their nieces and nephews about who God is because they're the only believer in their family\u2014but in the process of teaching them, you're going to learn a <em>ton<\/em>, as an adult.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s one of the things that I am as excited about as anything else with this book because there are a lot of moms and dads who are going to benefit from hearing a very clear, very understandable explanation about some of the core concepts of the Christian faith. Things that may have been cloudy are going to come into focus for grown-ups as well as for elementary and middle age and high school students. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI hope our listeners will get a copy of your book, which is called <em>Big Truths for Young Hearts<\/em>. We\u2019ve got copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife<\/em> <em>Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to order. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, find the book, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. The title is <em>Big Truths for Young Hearts<\/em> by Dr. Bruce Ware. Or call to order at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family\u201d, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we want to say, \u201cHappy anniversary!\u201d today to some friends of ours\u2014these are, actually, not just friends \/ these are colleagues. These are <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> friends, who live in Beaver, Pennsylvania. They are actually on staff with us, at <em>FamilyLife;<\/em> and it\u2019s not today that\u2019s their anniversary\u2014it\u2019s tomorrow. Tomorrow it\u2019ll be 33 years for Scott and Catherine Mercer, who are part of the FamilyLife team, living in Pennsylvania. \u201cCongratulations!\u201d to the Mercers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is fun to be celebrating anniversaries along with a lot of our friends this year. This is our 40<sup>th<\/sup> year as a ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re spending the year by focusing on how God has used FamilyLife to help more couples celebrate more anniversaries for four decades now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who partner with us to make this ministry possible. We\u2019re a listener-supported ministry; and we\u2019re grateful for those of you who will, from time to time, make a donation in support of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014and for those of you who are Legacy Partners, giving each month to help keep this ministry strong. We appreciate your partnership with us in providing practical biblical help and hope for your marriage and for your family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019d like to make a donation in support of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, you can do that, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can call 1-800-FL-TODAY and donate over the phone; or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife<\/em> <em>Today<\/em>, PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith that, we\u2019ve got to wrap things up for this week. Thanks for being with us. Hope you have a great weekend. In fact, I hope you and your family are able to worship together in church this weekend. And I hope you join us again on Monday when our friend Dr. Meg Meeker is going to be here to talk about the things that contented moms have in common: \u201cWhat is it that causes a mom to know contentment and joy?\u201d We\u2019ll explore that with Dr. Meeker on Monday. 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Ware helps equip parents to teach their children about the Holy Spirit in terms that even boys and girls can understand.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-05-06.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I remember thinking, \u201cWell, then, I want to read the Bible!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Did you buy it at that point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I went home and started reading my Bible, and I did not find the exciting parts when I tried to dive right into it. [Laughter] I said, \u201cI don\u2019t see any techno-pen,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014where they were communicating on their pen\u2014like they were in <em>The Man from U.N.C.L.E.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I kind of gave up on it right away, but his intention was good! He was trying to point us in the right direction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Ultimately, he is right; but for a parent or a pastor of a six- or a seven-year-old\u2014who is competing with the high-tech nature of media\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t quit watching <em>The Man from U.N.C.L.E.<\/em>\u2014I\u2019ll tell you that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, there you go. This week, we\u2019ve been talking about how we can teach biblical truth about who God is to our children because it\u2019s a command of Scripture that parents are to begin this relay race. Actually, they\u2019re to continue the relay race. Maybe some of the parents didn\u2019t grow up in a Christian home; but you know what? They can start their own relay race of truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith us is a professor, who has become the Professor of Practical Theology, here of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, equipping parents to be able to do that\u2014Dr. Bruce Ware. Bruce, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Thank you, Dennis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Now, he does that professionally at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He is the professor of Christian Theology. We\u2019ve dubbed you, here, of Practical Theology.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Isn\u2019t there something in your bio\u2014haven\u2019t you taught a course called \u201cPractical Theology\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Oh, sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; there you go!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, he has taught it to his children, Bethany and Rachel, and dedicated a book to them. It\u2019s called <em>Big Truths for Young Hearts<\/em>; and it\u2019s teaching and learning about the greatness of God. It\u2019s all about a big word called \u201ctheology.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It means passing on the truth about who God is. Bruce, if Barbara was here, this is something she would get on her soapbox about because she really doesn\u2019t think that we, as parents, are equipped to be able to teach our children about the Trinity, in general,\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and specifically about who the Holy Spirit is, and what His purpose is, and why He came,\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and what He\u2019s all about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo the first question I want you to unpack for us is: \u201cWhat does the average listener today need to know about the person of the Holy Spirit?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBefore we get to our kids, let\u2019s just speak to the adults for a moment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Right. You know, when you look at Scripture itself of the teaching of the Spirit, there is one thing that is <em>so<\/em> <em>clear<\/em> all the way through\u2014and that is, He is the\u2014His primary role is empowering the work of the Father and the Son. He always assists in some capacity. He comes to empower a prophet to speak the word of the Lord correctly; but it\u2019s generally not a word about Himself, for the most part. In fact, you can even think of the whole Bible as being inspired by the Spirit\u20142 Peter 1, verses 20 and 21 says, \u201cMen moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.\u201d And yet the Bible is not principally autobiographical\u2014it\u2019s the Spirit\u2019s inspiring men to write about Christ, primarily.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> You realize\u2014boy, when you see the Spirit rightly from the Bible, you realize here is One Who, though He is God\u2014He is equal in His essence \/ in His nature with the Father and the Son\u2014and yet His role all throughout redemptive history is one in which He is an assistant. In fact, some have talked about Him as the forgotten member of the Trinity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> But, in one sense, He wants to be forgotten. You know, when the Spirit indwells a person, the Spirit's presence is made known, not so much in showing for the Spirit, but showing forth Christ. So, really, in everything that the Spirit does, He seeks to bring honor and glory to Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When I was growing up, and even in trying to explain this to my children, the things that kind of came to mind, when I think about the Holy Spirit, were images from the popular culture\u2014 I thought about Tinker Bell from Peter Pan\u2014you know, who is this little fairy, who flies around. I think, in the original Peter Pan, it was kind of a flashlight beam as opposed to an animated figure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDo you remember that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Sure; sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And then I remember Casper, the Friendly Ghost.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That's what I remember.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So I think about the Holy Spirit. We talked, of course, about the Holy Ghost in the old days; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So how do you help a child understand the true nature of what we're talking about when we talk about the person of the Holy Spirit, if they're thinking about Tinker Bell, or Casper, or whatever the modern-day equivalent of those things is?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, we talk about the Father and the Son. We have illustrations of what a Father and a Son looks like; but when it comes to a person being the Holy Spirit, we don't have a visible illustration.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> No; we don't. Of course, this is one of those areas\u2014Bob, you mentioned in a previous program, Deuteronomy 29:29, \"The secret things belong to the Lord our God.\"\u00a0 That's the first half of the verse. Of course, that's true here, where we cannot comprehend what it means to be a person without a body \/ without a brain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow do you have a mind without a brain?\u00a0 And yet God is Spirit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe learn in John 4 the Father Himself is Spirit in nature \/ does not have a body. Christ\u2014or what I should say\u2014is the Eternal Son, apart from becoming incarnate\/\u00a0 taking on human flesh, does not have a physical existence. So God, as a whole, is Spirit. And the Holy Spirit is one of the persons of the Godhead who, like the other persons of the Godhead, has no body and yet is fully personal\u2014has emotions, thoughts, actions, will\u2014and in fact, carries out all that happens in the universe by the exertion of His power and does so, as a person. Yet, we cannot comprehend what that is because it's beyond our understanding, as human beings.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And so here we are, as parents\u2014I mean, I'm listening to you and I have to say, \"I hadn't thought about some of those things before you just rattled off. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYet, as a parent, I am to introduce my children to who God is\u2014and my grandchildren. One of the members of the Trinity that I need to begin to explain, in terms of a secret, is the Holy Spirit, especially when they place their faith in Christ. Because at the point a person places their faith in Christ, they <em>are<\/em> baptized with the Holy Spirit\u2014He comes to indwell them and live within them. The choice, then, becomes ours: \u201cWill we be filled with the Spirit?\u201d or \u201cWill we quench or grieve the Spirit?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact, we often talk about Jesus coming to live in your heart, which is not necessarily a biblical concept. Would we be better off saying that it's the Holy Spirit who comes to live in your heart?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes, I think where we get that from is when Jesus says, in Matthew 28, \"I will be with you always to the end of the age.\" But how is Christ with His people?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe is with them through the Spirit whom He sent\u2014His Spirit. Christ is with us as He has sent His Spirit, who will mediate to us \/ bring to us the very presence of Christ in His work in us and through us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay; let's talk about your two daughters, then, Rachel and Bethany. How did you teach them about the Holy Spirit, and when did you start teaching them? Because this was one of the challenges Barbara and I faced. It's why she would raise this question in the first place\u2014is: \u201cHow do we teach our kids who He is, what He does, and how\u2014He works?\u201d I almost said it; didn't I?\u2014\u201c\u2026how \u2018It\u2019 works?\u201d No; it's not\u2014\u201cIt\u201d\u2014it\u2019s \"He\"\u2014\u201c\u2026how <em>He<\/em> works in their lives?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes. Well, I started when they were pretty young; but I realized\u2014Bethany was about seven years old \/ Rachel was about four when I started teaching through these truths of the Christian faith. Of course, at first, it was very, very simple\u2014simpler than what I have written in this book for example. I couldn't have taught them all of those things, ages four and five\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>\u2014but, honestly, by age of seven and eight, they were actually getting an understanding of many of these truths and much greater grasp of it than I really thought would be possible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnother thing I just want to say\u2014to encourage parents in this\u2014is never to forget that that same Holy Spirit\u2014maybe is the subject of discussion right now with your children\u2014is the Holy Spirit who is at work in opening eyes to see these truths in ways that could never be understood apart from the Holy Spirit's illumination \/ His enlightenment. We need, as parents, to realize we really cannot convey what we would like to. Even the things that we do know, we can't convey those things in ways that our children necessarily will get it right, but it requires the work of the Spirit\u2014so to have this dependence \/ this heart of dependence on what only God can do, by His Spirit, in the lives of our children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I thought where you were going there, Bruce, for a moment, was: \u201cHe is the Spirit of God who convicts a person of their own need for salvation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes. Well, that is absolutely true.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cAnd He is the One who creates the new birth that makes an old creature a new creation.\u201d As parents, we can't do that. We want to move our children from the old to the new \/ from being lost to being a child of God, but we can't do that. We are dependent upon Him to do that in front of our very eyes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> That's right, yes; but what the Spirit uses, then, is truth from His Word. I think, sometimes, parents think: \"Well, if my children can't get this, then I'm not going to try to convey these truths from the Bible to my children. It's beyond them.\" But it's not taking into account the way the Spirit can work with that truth. I mean, why did He give that truth to us? He intends to use it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, if you look through the Bible, you see \"Spirit\" and \"Word\" always go together\u2014so the Spirit uses the Word as His means to open their eyes to see the beauty of the truth and, by that, bring them to Christ and then grow them in Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So if your child came to you and said: \"Daddy, I was praying the other day. This thought came into my mind; and I wondered, \u2018Is that from the Holy Spirit?\u2019\"\u00a0 First of all, does the Holy Spirit do stuff like that?\u2014put thoughts in our minds when we're praying\u2014and then, secondly, how do we know if that thought is from the Spirit or from somewhere else?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Yes. Well, I believe that the Holy Spirit <em>can<\/em> put thoughts in our minds; that is, lead us to think in particular ways. This is part of His work\u2014to convict us of sin\u2014He brings those things to mind as well as positive things and things that would incline us toward what is good. But the only test we have of whether the Spirit has led in a particular way is from the Word itself\u2014the Scriptures. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is the grounding we have of the revelation of God, and we <em>cannot<\/em> trust our own sense of what the Spirit may have indicated. We just have to be careful to realize that His leading can <em>never<\/em> come in a form that would violate the clear teaching of Scripture. I mean, a man says, \u201cOh the Spirit led me to divorce my wife and move in with this other woman.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> \u201cOh, He did not! I\u2019m sorry! This is in violation of Scripture.\u201d So we have to be careful not to fall off either side of this road we\u2019re on; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Allow too permissive understanding of the Spirit\u2019s work or rule it out all together\u2014in terms of the Spirit\u2019s inclining our hearts\u2014giving us strong indications, and motivations, and ideas that are given to me. I'm sure, Dennis, the Lord, over the years, has given to you <em>many<\/em> ideas\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No doubt.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> \u2014by His Spirit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No doubt about it, Bruce.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I wanted to pass on to our children goes back to\u2014I believe it\u2019s Psalm 78, where we\u2019re commanded to pass on the truth of God and the testimony of God\u2014which is, first of all, the standard of truth, which we\u2019ve talked about here, the truth of the Bible\u2014but second of all, the experience of God in our lives. That\u2019s what makes a testimony. I think, sometimes, the Christian community gets so afraid of the experiential side\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014we\u2019re afraid to testify.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We\u2019re afraid to train our children to know how to respond to the Holy Spirit\u2019s prompting. That\u2019s why I would say to my children: \u201cIf you have the thought a couple of times, and it doesn\u2019t betray Scripture, then maybe you need to act on it. Maybe you need to initiate a conversation with that person \/ maybe you need to go engage with them around a matter that they\u2019re facing.\u201d What I just want to train our kids to do is to walk in the truth of God\u2019s Word and the experience of God on a daily basis by faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Bruce, let me ask you what I think a lot of parents really wrestle with\u2014a five-year-old child comes and says, \u201cYou know, I would like to pray to ask Jesus to come into my heart.\u201d Mom and Dad are thrilled when a five-year-old child says that. So maybe they get together; and Mom talks, reads some Scripture, prays with the child, and then, she walks away and goes: \"Okay, what just happened there? Did my child come to faith? How do I know? What do I do?\" \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow would you coach a parent, when a child comes home from Vacation Bible School and says, \"I prayed at Vacation Bible School to become a Christian today.\" Do we celebrate with the angels of heaven?\u2014that there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents?\u2014or do we scratch our head and go, \"I wonder if that really took?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Right; right. Well, again, that's a great question, Bob. I do think this is another area where you walk a fine line, and you can err on either of two sides. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne is by pooh-poohing the whole thing \/ \"Oh, a five-year-old. This couldn't be the case,\" and really depriving\u2014if, in fact, this conversion has taken place\u2014depriving this child, who is now a believer in Christ, of reveling in forgiveness of sin and entering into eternal life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn the other hand, you don't want to <em>presume<\/em> immediately that this, in fact, has happened. So you encourage and say: \"Honey, you know, if this was a genuine expression of your life \/ of your heart and longing, this is wonderful! I rejoice with you. One of the evidences that this is a true belief of your heart is that it will continue. Let's just keep talking.\u201d If it has\u2014my goodness!\u2014 it's just the beginning of this growth process, as this child grows to understand better who God is, and what their own sin is, and what Christ has done, and the glories of the riches of His Word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let me jump ahead now, 12 years later. Your five-year-old is now a seventeen-year-old. You did see, back when they were five, some indication that they had a tender heart for God\u2014they were studying the Word and a lot going on\u2014but now, at seventeen, there is no interest in the things of God. What kind of a conclusion do you draw, as a parent, about what's happened to your child?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Well, you pray. You pray a lot for those children, and you never give up praying. You never give up on the power of God to take hold of that life again. If there is a longstanding rebellion \/ disinterest in the things of God, I do think that you, at some point, begin to wonder whether, as a child, this person really did truly come to Christ \/ truly was converted because we know, from Scripture, that the evidence of the work of the Spirit in the life of the person is what helps us know that this person truly has been saved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, on the other hand, there can be these long periods of time, and then, someone does come back\u2014the Lord brings them back. I think we need to wait for that, pray for that, hope for that. When that happens, I think sometimes it's hard to know for sure if the person was saved originally or if they came to Christ at this point.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt's a challenge, indeed; but one I think parents need to, again, not fall off on either side\u2014of either dismissing their children as unbelievers altogether, and concluding that there is no hope for them\u2014or of, my goodness, of assuming that that original statement of faith, as a child, was true and not urging them to come back to the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, there are two things going on here. One is the simple concept of not hindering your children\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong> Good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to come into a relationship with Christ\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tand of always making that invitation real clear\u2014that God is interested in knowing us \/ walking with us. Frankly, the older I get, the more mysterious the new birth really is. Jesus compared it to the wind\u2014you know, you don't see it\u2014you feel it \/ you see its results; but it's still a bit of a mystery, you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNot only not hindering a child but, secondly, not giving them false hope: \u201cBecause they made a decision when they were young; therefore, they really are a true follower of Christ.\u201d You know, I can't answer that question for every parent; because it's a difficult one to call\u2014the question that Bob was asking you here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat we need, as parents, is\u2014we need a way to impart, number one, who God is. Secondly, who we are, in light of who God is; which means, thirdly, we need a Savior\u2014and we need to know God the Father, God the Son, and as we talked about today, God the Holy Spirit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis book, <em>Big Truths for Little Hearts<\/em>\u2014I just think\u2014I think there's going to be a lot of parents benefit from this \/ aunts and uncles, who may have an objective of teaching their nieces and nephews about who God is because they're the only believer in their family\u2014but in the process of teaching them, you're going to learn a <em>ton<\/em>, as an adult.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s one of the things that I am as excited about as anything else with this book because there are a lot of moms and dads who are going to benefit from hearing a very clear, very understandable explanation about some of the core concepts of the Christian faith. Things that may have been cloudy are going to come into focus for grown-ups as well as for elementary and middle age and high school students. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI hope our listeners will get a copy of your book, which is called <em>Big Truths for Young Hearts<\/em>. We\u2019ve got copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife<\/em> <em>Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to order. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, find the book, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. The title is <em>Big Truths for Young Hearts<\/em> by Dr. Bruce Ware. 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This is our 40<sup>th<\/sup> year as a ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re spending the year by focusing on how God has used FamilyLife to help more couples celebrate more anniversaries for four decades now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who partner with us to make this ministry possible. We\u2019re a listener-supported ministry; and we\u2019re grateful for those of you who will, from time to time, make a donation in support of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014and for those of you who are Legacy Partners, giving each month to help keep this ministry strong. 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