{"id":303940,"date":"2016-04-04T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2016-04-04T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/beyond-the-wedding\/"},"modified":"2016-04-04T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2016-04-04T15:00:00","slug":"beyond-the-wedding","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/beyond-the-wedding\/","title":{"rendered":"Beyond the Wedding"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Mutual attraction usually brings a couple together before they get married. 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This file is auto-generated *\/\n!function(d,l){\"use strict\";l.querySelector&&d.addEventListener&&\"undefined\"!=typeof URL&&(d.wp=d.wp||{},d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage||(d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage=function(e){var t=e.data;if((t||t.secret||t.message||t.value)&&!\/[^a-zA-Z0-9]\/.test(t.secret)){for(var s,r,n,a=l.querySelectorAll('iframe[data-secret=\"'+t.secret+'\"]'),o=l.querySelectorAll('blockquote[data-secret=\"'+t.secret+'\"]'),c=new RegExp(\"^https?:$\",\"i\"),i=0;i<o.length;i++)o[i].style.display=\"none\";for(i=0;i<a.length;i++)s=a[i],e.source===s.contentWindow&&(s.removeAttribute(\"style\"),\"height\"===t.message?(1e3<(r=parseInt(t.value,10))?r=1e3:~~r<200&&(r=200),s.height=r):\"link\"===t.message&&(r=new URL(s.getAttribute(\"src\")),n=new URL(t.value),c.test(n.protocol))&&n.host===r.host&&l.activeElement===s&&(d.top.location.href=t.value))}},d.addEventListener(\"message\",d.wp.receiveEmbedMessage,!1),l.addEventListener(\"DOMContentLoaded\",function(){for(var e,t,s=l.querySelectorAll(\"iframe.wp-embedded-content\"),r=0;r<s.length;r++)(t=(e=s[r]).getAttribute(\"data-secret\"))||(t=Math.random().toString(36).substring(2,12),e.src+=\"#?secret=\"+t,e.setAttribute(\"data-secret\",t)),e.contentWindow.postMessage({message:\"ready\",secret:t},\"*\")},!1)))}(window,document);\n\/\/# sourceURL=https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-includes\/js\/wp-embed.min.js\n<\/script>\n"},"spectra_custom_meta":{"_wp_page_template":["default"],"transcript_url":["https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-04-04.pdf"],"audio_file":["https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-04-04.mp3"],"transcript_content":["<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If you and your spouse are followers of Jesus, your marriage, at its foundation, should have a love that is fundamentally different than the kind of love your non-Christian neighbors have. Here\u2019s author and Pastor Tim Savage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Our marriages are meant to be indwelled by Christ. His self-giving love ought to be exhibited between the spouses as they give of themselves to each other. When the world looks in on a marriage in which the love of Christ is being passed back and forth, where two selfless people are at least attempting to reflect Jesus Christ, it\u2019s a <em>gift<\/em> to see a Christ-centered marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, April 4<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll spend some time today talking about the nobler purpose that exists for marriage\u2014nobler than most of us contemplate every day. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I think back to when Mary Ann and I got married. I did not have a particularly exalted\/high view of marriage. I think I had a higher than average view of marriage; but if you were tracing my eyesight down on the horizon, it was maybe ten degrees off the horizon instead of being, you know, 80 degrees off the horizon. I was looking up, but not up high enough at what God\u2019s design for marriage is really all about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Let\u2019s ask our guest where he had his sights set. Tim Savage joins us. Tim, what about you? If you were calibrating it in degrees, what kind of lofty opinion of marriage did you have when you and your bride tied the knot?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, I might be right about where Bob described himself to be\u2014not high enough\u2014because, when God created marriage, He created something <em>extraordinary<\/em>. Too often, we have an ordinary view of marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I agree with you. In fact, I think that\u2019s one of the big problems in our culture. It\u2019s viewed around happiness rather than who God is and showing Him off to other people on the planet.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim Savage is a pastor; he is a conference speaker and author of a number of books. The book we\u2019re going to be talking about today is <em>No Ordinary Marriage. <\/em>He pastors Camelback Bible Church in Paradise Valley, Arizona. [Laughter] You live in Paradise!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Not during the summer. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He and his wife Lesli have been married for 35 years. They have two grown sons. You dedicate this book to Lesli.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> She taught me everything I know except for what the Lord taught me. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There is something about marriage\u2014about living in it for a while and studying the Scriptures together\u2014that does help you lift your sights a little bit more. Along the way, if you\u2019re looking at what the Bible says and looking at your life, your view of marriage does adjust; doesn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It does. And I think, as a pastor, too, it adjusts because we\u2019re dealing with marriage all of the time\u2014people coming to get married \/ wanting us to officiate at the wedding; doing premarital counseling\u2014and also the marriages in the church \/ some of which are doing well and many of which aren\u2019t. As a pastor, we\u2019re constantly running into questions about marriage. It causes me to think about my <em>own<\/em> marriage. Every time I sit with a young couple and talk with them about getting ready for marriage, I can\u2019t help but apply it to myself. I often go home really excited to try out some new ideas in my marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes! You say in your book that, for a lot of couples, the high point of the marriage is the ceremony and the honeymoon\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it\u2019s all downhill from there. Why do you think that happens?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, I think, first of all, their hopes are very high at the wedding. They\u2019re imagining that there will just be future bliss. Inevitably, it isn\u2019t the case. People run into all sorts of pitfalls and selfishness problems. It\u2019s alarming to them, especially for Christians, because they think: \u201cWe\u2019re Christians. We\u2019re going to have a Christ-centered marriage.\u201d All of a sudden, things aren\u2019t going very well, and it\u2019s devastating. They wonder: \u201cAm I a good Christian? Is he?\u201d or \u201cIs she? What happened to our Christian lives? It\u2019s not the way we thought it would be.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We are taken off-guard by the reality of our own sinfulness; but, even more than that, by the sinfulness of the person we married, who, during courtship, didn\u2019t appear as sinful as they do once we marry them; you know? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> And, for the first couple of years, you\u2019re pretty convinced that the sinfulness is on the other side.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> And then, the longer you\u2019re in marriage, you realize, \u201cActually, there might be more on my part than there is on my partner\u2019s.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We see the speck more clearly than we see the log.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; we sure do. I think a part of why there\u2019s a slide that occurs\u2014I think, at the top of the slide, is the emotional high \/ the adrenaline that is surging as two people take each other and embark on this journey. Emotions will take you a long way down the slide; but, at a point, you can\u2019t build a marriage around emotions. You\u2019ve got to have a belief system.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Some kind--and I hate to sound so theological here\u2014but some kind of Bible-based view of marriage and what God is up to. I think a large part of why marriages are in trouble today\u2014and you should comment on this, as a pastor\u2014is because I don\u2019t think we\u2019re holding marriage up with the noble picture God imprinted it with when He called them to be male and female\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and said, \u201cWe\u2019ve created them in Our image.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Dennis, you\u2019re right\u2014that is well-said. You know, as a pastor, the first question I ask a couple, who come in to get married is: \u201cWhy? Why do you want to get married?\u201d I meet with the husband-to-be first, and then I meet with the wife-to-be, and then together. I get to ask both of them that question and neither of them has heard the other answer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tUsually, it\u2019s: \u201cWell, we\u2019re attracted to each other,\u201d \u201cWe share the same interests,\u201d \u201cWe want to have children together.\u201d I listen, and I nod, and I think, \u201cThis is all very nice, but I haven\u2019t heard anything that is substantial enough to bear the weight of marriage.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI say: \u201cWell, how about this? Would you like to get married for the glory of God? Would the glory of God\u2014might that feature in your sights as a goal for this marriage?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn other words, something more than what the two of them bring to the relationship\u2014asking them: \u201cHow about God? What role is He going to play? Would you like to be married for His glory?\u201d They always smile and say, \u201cYes, but we don\u2019t have a clue what that means.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was just going to ask you that! [Laughter] Because every Christian couple is going to say, \u201cWell, sure,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s the right answer\u2014but what being married for the glory of God looks like, day in and day out\u2014that sounds mystical. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It does sound mystical; and yet, there are not many Christians who would disagree with that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Didn\u2019t the Westminster Catechism say, \u201cThe chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever\u201d? We know that! \u201cYes, we want to glorify God. We want to glorify Him in marriage; what does it mean?\u201d I\u2019ve done a lot of thinking about that, and I\u2019ve tried to come up with a biblical answer. I think what it means is this: \u201cWe glorify God when we reproduce an image of His glory.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I think the promise we make, when we make a covenant to go the distance in our marriage, in essence, we are saying, \u201cWe\u2019re going to embark on this journey and commit to love one another \u2018til death do us part because we know this: \u2018God is love.\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> A part of His glory is His love for humanity and what He did in stepping out of eternity in His Son Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So when I made the promise to Barbara, we enrolled in the first grade of love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We didn\u2019t know what we were doing\u2014most of it was fueled by emotions, a lot of hormones, and a lot of fun that we had had and romance. But then we moved on to the second grade and the third grade. We went through junior high, which was pretty tough! When you go through a health crisis, you learn how to love. When you go through challenges with a child, you learn how to love the child; but you also learn how to <em>stick<\/em> to your spouse. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you lose a job or get a short paycheck, you learn how to stick like glue with one another, as a husband and wife, through that trial. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs you talk about glorifying God, I look at our lives and I go: \u201cI don\u2019t know how we\u2019ve done, but what I hope we\u2019ve displayed \/ what I hope we\u2014to use your term\u2014<em>reflected<\/em> is a little fragment of the love that propelled the God of the universe to step out of eternity and send His Son to become a man and dwell among us \/ live out a perfect life, die on a cross, defeat death, and now be seated at the right hand of God the Father so that we could have eternal life\u2014so that we could know this God of love.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Amen! What you\u2019re talking about is Christ-like love. When I think about: \u201cWhat does it mean to image God?\u201d\u2014I love Philippians 2, where Paul says, \u201cBecause Christ existed in the form of God,\u201d\u2014and you could read \u201cimage\u201d there \/ close synonym\u2014\u201cBecause Christ existed in the image of God,\u201d\u2014yes; what does that mean?\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014\u201cHe did not regard His equality with God as an opportunity for self-grasping.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, we hear there\u2014quickly, an image of Adam and Eve in the garden\u2014they grasped after the fruit \/ they wanted to do it their way. There was a selfishness there that wasn\u2019t Christ\u2019s. He refused that way! Instead, He did what? \u201cHe <em>emptied<\/em> Himself,\u201d\u2014how far?\u2014\u201cHe became a servant\u201d\u2014a <em>slave<\/em> in Greek \/ <em>doulos<\/em>\u2014\u201call the way to dying on a cross,\u201d\u2014the most ignominious way to die in history! His self-giving love was what it meant to image God. It\u2019s astonishing!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat is God? You said it beautifully: \u201cGod is, ultimately, the self-giving One.\u201d He has created us in His image to image just that self-giving love. And not only that, He has put Christ in our heart so that Christ comes out\u2014yes, in marriage: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSelf-giving love\u2014start in the first grade \/ don\u2019t know much about self-giving love. The Lord teaches us to be more, and more, and more like Christ. We are Christ toward each other. It\u2019s beautiful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re talking to Pastor Tim Savage today. He\u2019s written a book called <em>No Ordinary Marriage: Together for God\u2019s Glory. <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember hearing a pastor one time say, \u201cGlorifying God means your life makes Him look good.\u201d I thought, \u201cThat\u2019s a pretty good\u2014I can get my arms around that: \u2018Your marriage makes God look good.\u2019\u201d Not that God looks bad otherwise but that, when people see your marriage, they see in it the goodness of God in how the two of you are relating to one another. When they see that\u2014and they can draw the line between that beautiful picture you\u2019re painting, and how you\u2019re doing it, and the beauty of who God is\u2014now, you\u2019re achieving the purpose that marriage was designed for in the first place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact, Tim, I asked a number of pastors\u2014I said, \u201cIf you were going to give somebody biblical counsel on marriage\u2014and you couldn\u2019t use Ephesians 5, and you couldn\u2019t use 1 Peter 3, and you couldn\u2019t use Colossians 3 \/ you couldn\u2019t use the standard texts on marriage\u2014what verse or passage would you point somebody to?\u201d Two of the pastors said something that stuck with me\u2014one of them said \/ they both referenced the same verse\u2014but one of them said, \u201cThis is how I proposed to my wife\u2014it was with Psalm 34, verse 3: \u2018Oh, magnify the LORD with me, and let us exalt His name together.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Amen! Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I thought, \u201cI was not thinking that when I got married.\u201d I did not propose to Mary Ann, saying, \u201cMagnify the Lord with me and let us exalt His name together!\u201d I was using the Beach Boys, \u201cWouldn\u2019t it be nice if we were older and we could say, \u2018Good night,\u2019 and stay together?\u201d That was my\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u201cI wish they all could be California girls.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Something like that! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut here\u2019s this noble picture: \u201cLet\u2019s, together, magnify the LORD and exalt His name so that, when people see us, they go, \u2018Isn\u2019t God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014\u201c\u2019so good?\u2019\u201d I think that the greatest gift that we can give to this troubled world is our Christian marriages. You say, \u201cWell, the greatest gift is Christ!\u201d Well, our marriages are meant to be indwelled by Christ. His self-giving love ought to be <em>exhibited<\/em> between the spouses as they <em>give<\/em> of themselves to each other. There\u2019s nothing wrong with this world except its relationships\u2014we don\u2019t get along together. Oh, there\u2019s the odd natural disaster, but that doesn\u2019t happen often. Mostly, we are dysfunctional in our relationships. When the world looks in on a marriage\u2014in which the love of Christ is being passed back and forth \/ where two selfless people are, at least, attempting to reflect Jesus Christ\u2014it sees something more beautiful than it ever thought could exist. Bob, you are spot-on! I agree with you completely. It is a <em>gift <\/em>to see a Christ-centered marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019ve continued to mention a phrase that I want to make sure our listeners have heard because there is no way to magnify who God is\u2014there is no way to glorify Him \/ there is no way to reflect Him\u2014to a fallen planet if you don\u2019t die to self.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You have to begin to learn the art, as a man, of self-denial, self-sacrifice \/ death to self on behalf of your spouse. Now, the cold hard reality is\u2014you\u2019re probably not going to do a real good job, especially early on, at that. I sure didn\u2019t! I don\u2019t know how much the world sees, but I do know\u2014when you live out a lifetime and you\u2019ve stayed married for four decades in this culture\u2014that\u2019s not what most people are doing today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They\u2019re trading them in for a newer model. We\u2019ve been given an assignment\u2014a magnificent\/noble assignment. We just need to realize what the assignment is and be faithful to be able to do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow are you equipping couples in the church to do that\u2014to show God off in Paradise Valley? I mean, did they rename the city because your church had so many couples in love with each other and they renamed it Paradise City because God\u2019s glory is being shown off there? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> When you ask the question, it\u2019s sobering to think about because many of the comments you\u2019ve made already, Dennis, have indicated that we don\u2019t get this right away: \u201cWhat does it mean to exhibit self-giving love on the order of the love we see in Christ?\u201d It\u2019s hard to understand that love, let alone reproduce it. So we\u2019re all over the map at Camelback Bible. We have some <em>wonderful<\/em> marriages\u2014I think we have maybe 25 couples who\u2019ve been married over 50 years. We have lots of people who are just getting married. We\u2019re all over the map.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow do we encourage people to be more like Christ in their marriage? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe focus on God\u2019s Word. We remind people that what we\u2019re talking about is something they can\u2019t accomplish apart from <em>supernatural<\/em> assistance by the Holy Spirit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was just thinking about a couple who came in to me, devastated. He was the manager of a hedge fund in town. He said, \u201cDid you see what\u2019s in the headlines of the newspaper this morning?\u201d I said, \u201cNo; I didn\u2019t read the newspaper.\u201d He slammed it down on my desk. It was, basically, a headline questioning the propriety \/ the fiduciary responsibility of him as the hedge fund manager. It was questioning if he was being honest in the way he was running his hedge fund. You do that in the newspaper; guess what? You lose all of your investors in a minute. He said: \u201cI\u2019m ruined, Tim! It\u2019s over! We\u2019re done!\u201d His wife was weeping, and he was crying. I was looking at them, wondering, \u201cWhat in the world do I say?\u201d I could see that the marriage was going downhill.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> And the Lord gave me a thought\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it was: \u201cBrother and sister, you haven\u2019t lost a thing. You\u2019ve got Jesus. And in Christ, you have <em>infinite<\/em> goodness. You have everything you need to go forward together in a powerful union that will speak volumes to the world\u2014that you can lose everything and still be on track.\u201d I was reading the other day what Corrie ten Boom said, \u201cIt\u2019s not until you lose everything that you realize you have everything.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It\u2019s like you have to be stripped of everything and you say, \u201cI\u2019ve lost everything!\u201d And then you look up and see: \u201cI haven\u2019t lost a thing\u2014I\u2019ve got Jesus.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u201cI\u2019ve got Christ! I\u2019ve got infinite love in my heart.\u201d Paul says: \u201cI pray that you would know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge. I get down on my knees and I\u2019m praying that you would understand this love!\u201d We have a hard time understanding it! It\u2019s often, when everything\u2019s taken away, that\u2014then we see it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI watched this couple. In a matter of moments, smiles came to their faces. They thanked me. I said: \u201cDon\u2019t thank me. Thank Jesus. He\u2019s everything,\u201d\u2014walked out of my office. They did have to move\u2014they left the state \/ they went to Texas. A couple years after that, I got a note from them that said, \u201cDo you remember that meeting in your office?\u201d I think, \u201cYes; absolutely!\u201d He said, \u201cThat changed our lives,\u201d and he included a check for $50,000. Unfortunately, it was made out to Camelback Bible Church. [Laughter] But, you know, they discovered, in their marriage, Christ was all they needed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And so, if I could do a survey of your church\u2014this is a hard question \/ I\u2019m going to warn you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> If I could do a survey of your church and say: \u201cHow do Tim and Lesli magnify God \/ glorify Him? How have you seen them doing that, day in and day out\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014not in terms of religious speak but pragmatically: \u2018We\u2019ve seen them \u201cx,\u201d\u2019?\u201d How do you think your church would answer that question?\u2014the people in your church?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you save your answer\u2014think about it for a second. Let me let our listeners know about the book that you\u2019ve written, which is called <em>No Ordinary Marriage: Together for God\u2019s Glory<\/em>. This is a book that will help lift your sights on what God\u2019s design and purpose for marriage is. I think it\u2019s a needed exercise in our day to have those sights lifted. We\u2019ve got it in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. You can go online at FamilyLifeToday.com to order a copy of <em>No Ordinary Marriage<\/em>. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY,\u201d to order a copy of the book. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me also mention, Dennis\u2014that our team is hoping that many of our listeners will consider hosting an <em>Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> event in your church or in your community this summer <em>or<\/em> inviting couples over to go through <em>The Art of Marriage<\/em> small group series. With a little added incentive this week and next week\u2014when you order the event kit or the small group series kit, we\u2019re going to include a marriage ministry pack of resources\u2014a collection of books designed to help you minister more effectively to couples around subjects related to marriage. You can get more information when you go online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call for more information at 1-800-FL-TODAY. That\u2019s the same way to connect with us if you\u2019re interested in getting a copy of Tim\u2019s book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I hope folks will get a copy of Tim Savage\u2019s book, <em>No Ordinary Marriage<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA few minutes ago, I asked him\u2014I said: \u201cOkay, Tim. If I were to do a survey of your congregation, how would they say you and Lesli, after 35 years of marriage, have modeled who God is in front of them\u2014just practically? How would you think they would answer?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I think anyone who probably is able to look at Lesli and me for a bit of time would think that we adore each other. Your question is: \u201cHow would they know that?\u201dI will talk about Lesli in my sermons some. You know, we don\u2019t disclose all sorts of intimate details; but I often hear from people: \u201cIt\u2019s so good to hear you speak of your wife in an adoring way. You can tell that you really love her.\u201d And I say, \u201cWell, I do.\u201d Here are some silly little things\u2014I mean, touching her \/ kissing her in front of the church \/ in front of the people. I don\u2019t do this for show\u2014it\u2019s natural. But I think, when they see us affectionately with each other, they can see that we\u2019re very much in love and that we do exhibit Christ-like love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think they see that I, as a pastor, give her a lot of space to be who she is. She is beautiful. She serves the church. I mean, she decorates \/ she disciples women. You know, I\u2019m not reeling her in. I\u2019m thrilled to see her loving people. I think they like to see a husband who shares his wife in this way. How am I doing, Dennis?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019re doing great! In fact, you know what I want you to do?<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> What?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m going to ask you to do something for our audience because I\u2019m wondering if some of our audience has ever heard a man, on national radio, <em>extol<\/em> the virtues and his love for his bride in a tribute \/ a verbal tribute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, Lesli, honey, I think you know that I\u2019ve never met a woman like you. When I look at you, I see more of Christ in you than I\u2019ve ever seen in anyone else. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI can\u2019t believe that, by God\u2019s grace, He led you to me. Every day, I praise Him and wonder that you said, \u201cYes,\u201d to be my wife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to be everything that I can be to deserve someone like you. I know that God doesn\u2019t work in terms of what we deserve\u2014He\u2019s all grace! I know that because He gave me Christ and He gave me you. I\u2019m so motivated to pick up your life and make it my life and to live your life as though it were my life\u2014to look at your life as more important than my own. I want to give you everything I have to give because I love you. And I want to love you with the love of Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019d say he did okay; don\u2019t you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think he passed the test. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe we could call Lesli and find out what she thinks. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we are going to have an opportunity tomorrow to let you explain to us how you guys live out different assignments \/ different roles that God has for husbands and wives in a marriage, and how you do that in such a way that you are both esteemed in the process, and God is glorified in that process. You can join us for that; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Thanks, Bob\u2014eager to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We invite you to join us back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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Tim Savage reminds listeners that couples who go the distance are those who marry for the glory of God.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-04-04.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If you and your spouse are followers of Jesus, your marriage, at its foundation, should have a love that is fundamentally different than the kind of love your non-Christian neighbors have. Here\u2019s author and Pastor Tim Savage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Our marriages are meant to be indwelled by Christ. His self-giving love ought to be exhibited between the spouses as they give of themselves to each other. When the world looks in on a marriage in which the love of Christ is being passed back and forth, where two selfless people are at least attempting to reflect Jesus Christ, it\u2019s a <em>gift<\/em> to see a Christ-centered marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, April 4<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll spend some time today talking about the nobler purpose that exists for marriage\u2014nobler than most of us contemplate every day. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I think back to when Mary Ann and I got married. I did not have a particularly exalted\/high view of marriage. I think I had a higher than average view of marriage; but if you were tracing my eyesight down on the horizon, it was maybe ten degrees off the horizon instead of being, you know, 80 degrees off the horizon. I was looking up, but not up high enough at what God\u2019s design for marriage is really all about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Let\u2019s ask our guest where he had his sights set. Tim Savage joins us. Tim, what about you? If you were calibrating it in degrees, what kind of lofty opinion of marriage did you have when you and your bride tied the knot?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, I might be right about where Bob described himself to be\u2014not high enough\u2014because, when God created marriage, He created something <em>extraordinary<\/em>. 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[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There is something about marriage\u2014about living in it for a while and studying the Scriptures together\u2014that does help you lift your sights a little bit more. Along the way, if you\u2019re looking at what the Bible says and looking at your life, your view of marriage does adjust; doesn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It does. And I think, as a pastor, too, it adjusts because we\u2019re dealing with marriage all of the time\u2014people coming to get married \/ wanting us to officiate at the wedding; doing premarital counseling\u2014and also the marriages in the church \/ some of which are doing well and many of which aren\u2019t. As a pastor, we\u2019re constantly running into questions about marriage. It causes me to think about my <em>own<\/em> marriage. Every time I sit with a young couple and talk with them about getting ready for marriage, I can\u2019t help but apply it to myself. I often go home really excited to try out some new ideas in my marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes! You say in your book that, for a lot of couples, the high point of the marriage is the ceremony and the honeymoon\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it\u2019s all downhill from there. Why do you think that happens?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, I think, first of all, their hopes are very high at the wedding. They\u2019re imagining that there will just be future bliss. Inevitably, it isn\u2019t the case. People run into all sorts of pitfalls and selfishness problems. It\u2019s alarming to them, especially for Christians, because they think: \u201cWe\u2019re Christians. We\u2019re going to have a Christ-centered marriage.\u201d All of a sudden, things aren\u2019t going very well, and it\u2019s devastating. They wonder: \u201cAm I a good Christian? Is he?\u201d or \u201cIs she? What happened to our Christian lives? It\u2019s not the way we thought it would be.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We are taken off-guard by the reality of our own sinfulness; but, even more than that, by the sinfulness of the person we married, who, during courtship, didn\u2019t appear as sinful as they do once we marry them; you know? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> And, for the first couple of years, you\u2019re pretty convinced that the sinfulness is on the other side.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> And then, the longer you\u2019re in marriage, you realize, \u201cActually, there might be more on my part than there is on my partner\u2019s.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We see the speck more clearly than we see the log.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; we sure do. I think a part of why there\u2019s a slide that occurs\u2014I think, at the top of the slide, is the emotional high \/ the adrenaline that is surging as two people take each other and embark on this journey. Emotions will take you a long way down the slide; but, at a point, you can\u2019t build a marriage around emotions. You\u2019ve got to have a belief system.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Some kind--and I hate to sound so theological here\u2014but some kind of Bible-based view of marriage and what God is up to. I think a large part of why marriages are in trouble today\u2014and you should comment on this, as a pastor\u2014is because I don\u2019t think we\u2019re holding marriage up with the noble picture God imprinted it with when He called them to be male and female\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and said, \u201cWe\u2019ve created them in Our image.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Dennis, you\u2019re right\u2014that is well-said. You know, as a pastor, the first question I ask a couple, who come in to get married is: \u201cWhy? Why do you want to get married?\u201d I meet with the husband-to-be first, and then I meet with the wife-to-be, and then together. I get to ask both of them that question and neither of them has heard the other answer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tUsually, it\u2019s: \u201cWell, we\u2019re attracted to each other,\u201d \u201cWe share the same interests,\u201d \u201cWe want to have children together.\u201d I listen, and I nod, and I think, \u201cThis is all very nice, but I haven\u2019t heard anything that is substantial enough to bear the weight of marriage.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI say: \u201cWell, how about this? Would you like to get married for the glory of God? Would the glory of God\u2014might that feature in your sights as a goal for this marriage?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn other words, something more than what the two of them bring to the relationship\u2014asking them: \u201cHow about God? What role is He going to play? Would you like to be married for His glory?\u201d They always smile and say, \u201cYes, but we don\u2019t have a clue what that means.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was just going to ask you that! [Laughter] Because every Christian couple is going to say, \u201cWell, sure,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s the right answer\u2014but what being married for the glory of God looks like, day in and day out\u2014that sounds mystical. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It does sound mystical; and yet, there are not many Christians who would disagree with that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Didn\u2019t the Westminster Catechism say, \u201cThe chief end of man is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever\u201d? We know that! \u201cYes, we want to glorify God. We want to glorify Him in marriage; what does it mean?\u201d I\u2019ve done a lot of thinking about that, and I\u2019ve tried to come up with a biblical answer. I think what it means is this: \u201cWe glorify God when we reproduce an image of His glory.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I think the promise we make, when we make a covenant to go the distance in our marriage, in essence, we are saying, \u201cWe\u2019re going to embark on this journey and commit to love one another \u2018til death do us part because we know this: \u2018God is love.\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> A part of His glory is His love for humanity and what He did in stepping out of eternity in His Son Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So when I made the promise to Barbara, we enrolled in the first grade of love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We didn\u2019t know what we were doing\u2014most of it was fueled by emotions, a lot of hormones, and a lot of fun that we had had and romance. But then we moved on to the second grade and the third grade. We went through junior high, which was pretty tough! When you go through a health crisis, you learn how to love. When you go through challenges with a child, you learn how to love the child; but you also learn how to <em>stick<\/em> to your spouse. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you lose a job or get a short paycheck, you learn how to stick like glue with one another, as a husband and wife, through that trial. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs you talk about glorifying God, I look at our lives and I go: \u201cI don\u2019t know how we\u2019ve done, but what I hope we\u2019ve displayed \/ what I hope we\u2014to use your term\u2014<em>reflected<\/em> is a little fragment of the love that propelled the God of the universe to step out of eternity and send His Son to become a man and dwell among us \/ live out a perfect life, die on a cross, defeat death, and now be seated at the right hand of God the Father so that we could have eternal life\u2014so that we could know this God of love.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Amen! What you\u2019re talking about is Christ-like love. When I think about: \u201cWhat does it mean to image God?\u201d\u2014I love Philippians 2, where Paul says, \u201cBecause Christ existed in the form of God,\u201d\u2014and you could read \u201cimage\u201d there \/ close synonym\u2014\u201cBecause Christ existed in the image of God,\u201d\u2014yes; what does that mean?\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014\u201cHe did not regard His equality with God as an opportunity for self-grasping.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, we hear there\u2014quickly, an image of Adam and Eve in the garden\u2014they grasped after the fruit \/ they wanted to do it their way. There was a selfishness there that wasn\u2019t Christ\u2019s. He refused that way! Instead, He did what? \u201cHe <em>emptied<\/em> Himself,\u201d\u2014how far?\u2014\u201cHe became a servant\u201d\u2014a <em>slave<\/em> in Greek \/ <em>doulos<\/em>\u2014\u201call the way to dying on a cross,\u201d\u2014the most ignominious way to die in history! His self-giving love was what it meant to image God. It\u2019s astonishing!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat is God? You said it beautifully: \u201cGod is, ultimately, the self-giving One.\u201d He has created us in His image to image just that self-giving love. And not only that, He has put Christ in our heart so that Christ comes out\u2014yes, in marriage: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSelf-giving love\u2014start in the first grade \/ don\u2019t know much about self-giving love. The Lord teaches us to be more, and more, and more like Christ. We are Christ toward each other. It\u2019s beautiful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re talking to Pastor Tim Savage today. He\u2019s written a book called <em>No Ordinary Marriage: Together for God\u2019s Glory. <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember hearing a pastor one time say, \u201cGlorifying God means your life makes Him look good.\u201d I thought, \u201cThat\u2019s a pretty good\u2014I can get my arms around that: \u2018Your marriage makes God look good.\u2019\u201d Not that God looks bad otherwise but that, when people see your marriage, they see in it the goodness of God in how the two of you are relating to one another. When they see that\u2014and they can draw the line between that beautiful picture you\u2019re painting, and how you\u2019re doing it, and the beauty of who God is\u2014now, you\u2019re achieving the purpose that marriage was designed for in the first place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact, Tim, I asked a number of pastors\u2014I said, \u201cIf you were going to give somebody biblical counsel on marriage\u2014and you couldn\u2019t use Ephesians 5, and you couldn\u2019t use 1 Peter 3, and you couldn\u2019t use Colossians 3 \/ you couldn\u2019t use the standard texts on marriage\u2014what verse or passage would you point somebody to?\u201d Two of the pastors said something that stuck with me\u2014one of them said \/ they both referenced the same verse\u2014but one of them said, \u201cThis is how I proposed to my wife\u2014it was with Psalm 34, verse 3: \u2018Oh, magnify the LORD with me, and let us exalt His name together.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Amen! Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I thought, \u201cI was not thinking that when I got married.\u201d I did not propose to Mary Ann, saying, \u201cMagnify the Lord with me and let us exalt His name together!\u201d I was using the Beach Boys, \u201cWouldn\u2019t it be nice if we were older and we could say, \u2018Good night,\u2019 and stay together?\u201d That was my\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u201cI wish they all could be California girls.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Something like that! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut here\u2019s this noble picture: \u201cLet\u2019s, together, magnify the LORD and exalt His name so that, when people see us, they go, \u2018Isn\u2019t God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014\u201c\u2019so good?\u2019\u201d I think that the greatest gift that we can give to this troubled world is our Christian marriages. You say, \u201cWell, the greatest gift is Christ!\u201d Well, our marriages are meant to be indwelled by Christ. His self-giving love ought to be <em>exhibited<\/em> between the spouses as they <em>give<\/em> of themselves to each other. There\u2019s nothing wrong with this world except its relationships\u2014we don\u2019t get along together. Oh, there\u2019s the odd natural disaster, but that doesn\u2019t happen often. Mostly, we are dysfunctional in our relationships. When the world looks in on a marriage\u2014in which the love of Christ is being passed back and forth \/ where two selfless people are, at least, attempting to reflect Jesus Christ\u2014it sees something more beautiful than it ever thought could exist. Bob, you are spot-on! I agree with you completely. It is a <em>gift <\/em>to see a Christ-centered marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019ve continued to mention a phrase that I want to make sure our listeners have heard because there is no way to magnify who God is\u2014there is no way to glorify Him \/ there is no way to reflect Him\u2014to a fallen planet if you don\u2019t die to self.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You have to begin to learn the art, as a man, of self-denial, self-sacrifice \/ death to self on behalf of your spouse. Now, the cold hard reality is\u2014you\u2019re probably not going to do a real good job, especially early on, at that. I sure didn\u2019t! I don\u2019t know how much the world sees, but I do know\u2014when you live out a lifetime and you\u2019ve stayed married for four decades in this culture\u2014that\u2019s not what most people are doing today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They\u2019re trading them in for a newer model. We\u2019ve been given an assignment\u2014a magnificent\/noble assignment. We just need to realize what the assignment is and be faithful to be able to do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow are you equipping couples in the church to do that\u2014to show God off in Paradise Valley? I mean, did they rename the city because your church had so many couples in love with each other and they renamed it Paradise City because God\u2019s glory is being shown off there? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> When you ask the question, it\u2019s sobering to think about because many of the comments you\u2019ve made already, Dennis, have indicated that we don\u2019t get this right away: \u201cWhat does it mean to exhibit self-giving love on the order of the love we see in Christ?\u201d It\u2019s hard to understand that love, let alone reproduce it. So we\u2019re all over the map at Camelback Bible. We have some <em>wonderful<\/em> marriages\u2014I think we have maybe 25 couples who\u2019ve been married over 50 years. We have lots of people who are just getting married. We\u2019re all over the map.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow do we encourage people to be more like Christ in their marriage? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe focus on God\u2019s Word. We remind people that what we\u2019re talking about is something they can\u2019t accomplish apart from <em>supernatural<\/em> assistance by the Holy Spirit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was just thinking about a couple who came in to me, devastated. He was the manager of a hedge fund in town. He said, \u201cDid you see what\u2019s in the headlines of the newspaper this morning?\u201d I said, \u201cNo; I didn\u2019t read the newspaper.\u201d He slammed it down on my desk. It was, basically, a headline questioning the propriety \/ the fiduciary responsibility of him as the hedge fund manager. It was questioning if he was being honest in the way he was running his hedge fund. You do that in the newspaper; guess what? You lose all of your investors in a minute. He said: \u201cI\u2019m ruined, Tim! It\u2019s over! We\u2019re done!\u201d His wife was weeping, and he was crying. I was looking at them, wondering, \u201cWhat in the world do I say?\u201d I could see that the marriage was going downhill.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> And the Lord gave me a thought\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it was: \u201cBrother and sister, you haven\u2019t lost a thing. You\u2019ve got Jesus. And in Christ, you have <em>infinite<\/em> goodness. You have everything you need to go forward together in a powerful union that will speak volumes to the world\u2014that you can lose everything and still be on track.\u201d I was reading the other day what Corrie ten Boom said, \u201cIt\u2019s not until you lose everything that you realize you have everything.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It\u2019s like you have to be stripped of everything and you say, \u201cI\u2019ve lost everything!\u201d And then you look up and see: \u201cI haven\u2019t lost a thing\u2014I\u2019ve got Jesus.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u201cI\u2019ve got Christ! I\u2019ve got infinite love in my heart.\u201d Paul says: \u201cI pray that you would know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge. I get down on my knees and I\u2019m praying that you would understand this love!\u201d We have a hard time understanding it! It\u2019s often, when everything\u2019s taken away, that\u2014then we see it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI watched this couple. In a matter of moments, smiles came to their faces. They thanked me. I said: \u201cDon\u2019t thank me. Thank Jesus. He\u2019s everything,\u201d\u2014walked out of my office. They did have to move\u2014they left the state \/ they went to Texas. A couple years after that, I got a note from them that said, \u201cDo you remember that meeting in your office?\u201d I think, \u201cYes; absolutely!\u201d He said, \u201cThat changed our lives,\u201d and he included a check for $50,000. Unfortunately, it was made out to Camelback Bible Church. [Laughter] But, you know, they discovered, in their marriage, Christ was all they needed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And so, if I could do a survey of your church\u2014this is a hard question \/ I\u2019m going to warn you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> If I could do a survey of your church and say: \u201cHow do Tim and Lesli magnify God \/ glorify Him? How have you seen them doing that, day in and day out\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014not in terms of religious speak but pragmatically: \u2018We\u2019ve seen them \u201cx,\u201d\u2019?\u201d How do you think your church would answer that question?\u2014the people in your church?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you save your answer\u2014think about it for a second. Let me let our listeners know about the book that you\u2019ve written, which is called <em>No Ordinary Marriage: Together for God\u2019s Glory<\/em>. This is a book that will help lift your sights on what God\u2019s design and purpose for marriage is. I think it\u2019s a needed exercise in our day to have those sights lifted. We\u2019ve got it in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. You can go online at FamilyLifeToday.com to order a copy of <em>No Ordinary Marriage<\/em>. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY,\u201d to order a copy of the book. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me also mention, Dennis\u2014that our team is hoping that many of our listeners will consider hosting an <em>Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> event in your church or in your community this summer <em>or<\/em> inviting couples over to go through <em>The Art of Marriage<\/em> small group series. With a little added incentive this week and next week\u2014when you order the event kit or the small group series kit, we\u2019re going to include a marriage ministry pack of resources\u2014a collection of books designed to help you minister more effectively to couples around subjects related to marriage. You can get more information when you go online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call for more information at 1-800-FL-TODAY. That\u2019s the same way to connect with us if you\u2019re interested in getting a copy of Tim\u2019s book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I hope folks will get a copy of Tim Savage\u2019s book, <em>No Ordinary Marriage<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA few minutes ago, I asked him\u2014I said: \u201cOkay, Tim. If I were to do a survey of your congregation, how would they say you and Lesli, after 35 years of marriage, have modeled who God is in front of them\u2014just practically? How would you think they would answer?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I think anyone who probably is able to look at Lesli and me for a bit of time would think that we adore each other. Your question is: \u201cHow would they know that?\u201dI will talk about Lesli in my sermons some. You know, we don\u2019t disclose all sorts of intimate details; but I often hear from people: \u201cIt\u2019s so good to hear you speak of your wife in an adoring way. You can tell that you really love her.\u201d And I say, \u201cWell, I do.\u201d Here are some silly little things\u2014I mean, touching her \/ kissing her in front of the church \/ in front of the people. I don\u2019t do this for show\u2014it\u2019s natural. But I think, when they see us affectionately with each other, they can see that we\u2019re very much in love and that we do exhibit Christ-like love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think they see that I, as a pastor, give her a lot of space to be who she is. She is beautiful. She serves the church. I mean, she decorates \/ she disciples women. You know, I\u2019m not reeling her in. I\u2019m thrilled to see her loving people. I think they like to see a husband who shares his wife in this way. How am I doing, Dennis?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019re doing great! In fact, you know what I want you to do?<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> What?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m going to ask you to do something for our audience because I\u2019m wondering if some of our audience has ever heard a man, on national radio, <em>extol<\/em> the virtues and his love for his bride in a tribute \/ a verbal tribute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, Lesli, honey, I think you know that I\u2019ve never met a woman like you. When I look at you, I see more of Christ in you than I\u2019ve ever seen in anyone else. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI can\u2019t believe that, by God\u2019s grace, He led you to me. Every day, I praise Him and wonder that you said, \u201cYes,\u201d to be my wife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to be everything that I can be to deserve someone like you. I know that God doesn\u2019t work in terms of what we deserve\u2014He\u2019s all grace! I know that because He gave me Christ and He gave me you. I\u2019m so motivated to pick up your life and make it my life and to live your life as though it were my life\u2014to look at your life as more important than my own. I want to give you everything I have to give because I love you. And I want to love you with the love of Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019d say he did okay; don\u2019t you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think he passed the test. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe we could call Lesli and find out what she thinks. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we are going to have an opportunity tomorrow to let you explain to us how you guys live out different assignments \/ different roles that God has for husbands and wives in a marriage, and how you do that in such a way that you are both esteemed in the process, and God is glorified in that process. You can join us for that; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Thanks, Bob\u2014eager to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We invite you to join us back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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