{"id":303938,"date":"2016-04-01T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2016-04-01T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/teamwork\/"},"modified":"2016-04-01T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2016-04-01T15:00:00","slug":"teamwork","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/teamwork\/","title":{"rendered":"Teamwork"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>guest: Steve and Lorri Zeller | Series: Raising Boys the Zeller Way | What is the key to successful parenting? Steve and Lorri Zeller, whose sons all played in the NBA, talk about their parenting challenges and successes. The Zellers tell how they emphasized academics and character first, and encouraged their sons when they started showing some skill for basketball. 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Faith, they say, had everything to do with their parenting as they prayed to be good role models for their boys.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-04-01.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you raise three sons and all three of those boys win the honor of being Mr. Basketball in the state of Indiana during their senior year in high school, you\u2019re going to hear from some college recruiters; and it can get <em>intense<\/em>. Here is the father of Luke, Tyler, and Cody Zeller\u2014Steve Zeller. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>Even when the boys were being recruited and going to a Division 1 school, that was a <em>tough<\/em> thing because you\u2019d go in there\u2014and every college said they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. But when they came home\u2014we called it our safe place\u2014we did not talk about recruiting unless they brought it up. We talked about movies; we talked about anything other than that just because they wanted a family life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, April 1<sup>st<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. If you have a son or a daughter who is excelling in sports, you\u2019ll want to hear today from Steve and Lorri Zeller about how to keep your focus on the most important things as you raise your children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll talk about it today. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. No, I should do it more like this [using a sports announcer\u2019s voice]: \u201cAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>!\u00a0 I\u2019m Bob Lepine. I\u2019m here with the record-scoring guard\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cforward.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cforward\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014\u201csmall. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cthe small forward\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014\u201ctiny \/ tiny forward in basketball.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cfrom Ozark High School, who still has the high-point total for the Ozark team, Dennis Rainey. Dennis, welcome to today\u2019s program!\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s good to be back, and I\u2019m no longer a freshman. <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m turning on the sports announcer voice because we\u2019re talking about\u2014we\u2019re talking about parenting and sports today; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And we have parents here, who are the proud parents of three\u2014count them\u2014three NBA basketball players. Steve and Lorri Zeller join us. Steve\/Lorri, any other families ever been able to boast that they had <em>three<\/em> boys playing in the NBA at the same time?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>We\u2019re not aware of any. We\u2019re sure there are\u2014we\u2019re not aware of any. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, the Zeller boys made quite an impact\u2014and are still making an impact. Steve and Lorri have written their story of <em>Raising Boys the Zeller Way<\/em>. I guess I\u2019ve got to ask you: \u201cWhat is the Zeller way?\u201d\u2014Lorri?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lorri: <\/strong>Yes, I think the Zeller way is\u2014we talked a little bit before about putting academics first and character. Our book is kind of an owner\u2019s manual for parents to read\u2014and understand that we\u2019re not perfect parents\u2014but we learned a lot along the way. I think, as parents, we\u2019re all on the same team, where we all want to raise great kids\u2014and that\u2019s the goal for a lot of us. We wrote this book because we have had some success with who our boys are today. But yes, they are great basketball players on the court; but they are also strong believers. They are men of high character, and we\u2019re really proud of that\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014for who they are off the court. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Your son Tyler is currently playing for the Boston Celtics and Cody is currently playing for the Charlotte Hornets. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lorri: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And Luke was the pioneer\u2014he\u2019s the oldest. Steve, he had to fight his way into the NBA\u2014came out of college \/ played for Notre Dame\u2014was not drafted \/ wound up playing overseas\u2014Japan\/Lithuania. His dream to play in the NBA\u2014I\u2019m sure there were a lot of days he looked and thought: \u201cWhat am I doing in Lithuania?\u00a0 Maybe, I just need to go home and work for Oscar Mayer like my dad did.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>[Laughter] He definitely persevered. He persevered in everything he did and how hard he worked at it. As he always says, \u201cIf you give up, you never know what was over the next step of the horizon.\u201d\u00a0 He always had two dreams, and one was to play in the NBA. The other one was to start a basketball camp where he was able to help \/ be able to give back to kids. And he was able to achieve both of those. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Steve, I\u2019m thinking about moms and dads who are raising kids today who are showing some skill in basketball \/ in football\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014whatever the sport they are playing is. The reality is most of those parents are raising kids who are not going to wind up in professional sports. No matter how good the kid looks in high school, the odds are still not with them that he\u2019s going to be a pro-player; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. A small percentage actually makes it to the pros. When we were raising our boys, we never even\u2014it really never even crossed our minds that they would be professional players. We were more worried about the academics and what they were learning from the sport that they were playing because sports teach so much character. They teach teamwork. They teach how to listen to an authority figure \/ how the fans are going to respond\u2014and all the criticism that you get and all the praise that you get\u2014and how to handle all that. That\u2019s what we used sports for\u2014is we used it to be able to help us be able to build the character. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m remembering a story of Tyler. He went to North Carolina\u2014was recruited by North Carolina. He plays the first year as a freshman at North Carolina. His second game\u2014his first game he scores 18 points. Second game, he goes down and breaks his wrist. When a reporter tried to catch him to say something negative\u2014and he [reporter] said: \u201cTyler, it\u2019s been reported that this could be a career-ending wrist injury. What will you do?\u201d\u2014he [Tyler] said, \u201cWell, I\u2019ll obviously be successful at something other than basketball.\u201d\u00a0 It was a proud moment, from a dad\u2019s standpoint, knowing that we had taught him that basketball wasn\u2019t his life \/ that\u2019s not his identity. There are other things that identify him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, talk to me about how this character is shaped by faith\u2014faith in God and what the Bible teaches. How did you guys transmit that to your sons?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lorri: <\/strong>I think our faith had everything to do with our parenting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it\u2019s the basis for what we used as we raised the boys\u2014and just being devout, and being a person of God, and doing those things that are the right choices. A lot of it was by example; but obviously, we make mistakes along the way too. I think you just try to be role models, and be there for them, and guide them along the way as they shape their own belief. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Steve, you talked about the positive character things that sports can teach; but sports can also be an atmosphere where young men aren\u2019t acting with character\u2014where, in fact, the lure is to live the fast life \/ to live the high life because you\u2019ve earned it \/ because you\u2019re a sports star. How did you keep the boys grounded and not off partying when their friends are saying, \u201cCome on!\u00a0 You\u2019re the star!\u201d?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>I really believe that what we did is\u2014we taught them that there are bigger things in life than just sports. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd with that, if you look at God and the things that He does for you\u2014and that\u2019s really my prayer for the boys\u2014is that God has given them a platform \/ and what platform He\u2019s given Lorri and me\u2014that platform as well\u2014I just pray, every day, that He gives us the wisdom to be able to use that platform to where He wants us to use it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And the nature of sports, especially when you achieve the kind of level of success all three of your sons\u2014which is so remarkable\u2014it takes a lot of self-focus and discipline on your own athleticism \/ training\u2014focused upon how you\u2019re performing. How do you train a young man, in the midst of that, not to think the whole world revolves around him?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>It\u2019s a challenge in a lot of ways, but the big thing that comes out of that is to talk to them. I think Lorri and I did a lot of that as far as keeping the communication open. I think it\u2019s so important for parents to be able to communicate with their kids and don\u2019t get caught up in it yourself. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe didn\u2019t talk about just sports. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a matter of fact, even when the boys were being recruited and going to a Division 1 school, that was a <em>tough<\/em> thing because you\u2019d go in there\u2014and every college said they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. But when they came home\u2014we called it our safe place\u2014we did not talk about recruiting unless they brought it up. We talked about movies. We talked about anything other than that just because they wanted a family life. They didn\u2019t\u2014they wanted to be able to get away from it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>One went to the University of North Carolina; another to Notre Dame; and then, the last one went to Indiana?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I understand, Lorri, making that handoff and launching that arrow to college\u2014which is what the Bible compares children to \/ \u201cLike arrows in the hands of a warrior.\u201d\u00a0 The arrow can\u2019t stay in the quiver. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lorri: <\/strong>No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>The arrow\u2019s got to be launched into battle. [Laughter] That was not an easy handoff for you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lorri: <\/strong>No, I think it\u2019s really hard, especially for moms; you know?\u00a0 They\u2019re your babies; and handing them off to college, whether they are playing a sport at college or not, it\u2019s a <em>big<\/em> leap. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I knew for our first one\u2014Luke going to Notre Dame\u2014I knew it was going to be a big jump, but we just knew he was in great hands. We felt good about him going there. And five hours away\u2014it was drivable. We were going to see some games. So, felt okay about that. We also still had two boys at home. Then, it was Tyler\u2019s turn to go. He went to North Carolina. The first time we put him on a plane and sent him away, I\u2019m like: \u201cI\u2019m not okay with this!\u00a0 This is not what I wanted.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019ve said many times that it was easier for me to handoff my daughters in marriage than it was to drop them off at college\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lorri: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014because college was the defining change in the relationship\u2014we\u2019d been together every day for 18 years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lorri: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Now, you\u2019re not together every day; and you [don\u2019t know] what\u2019s going on or who they are talking to. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith that in mind, I\u2019m thinking about\u2014especially for those kids who do have some athletic ability\u2014when they are starting to think about a college program or they are being recruited for a college program\u2014as parents\u2014to know a little bit about: \u201cWho is this coach really? What is his program all about really?\u201d\u00a0 How do you scout that out, or did you scout that out for your boys?\u00a0 And was that influential in the decisions they made about where they went to college?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>We did a better job with the third one than we did with the first one. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>God has blessed us with having the ability to be able to have three kids get recruited. We did not do well with the first one. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, now, wait a second. I\u2019ve got to interrupt! [Laughter] Because, earlier, you shared a story\u2014when your sixth grader went to play AAU basketball, you scouted the coaches \/ you scouted the team. So, it was important to you in finding a great coach for your sons to play for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>And we did do the research for that. I\u2019m glad you interrupted me on that. What I found was that I was still in awe because I\u2019m talking to Notre Dame, I\u2019m talking to Kansas, I\u2019m talking to all of the big schools\u2014the IU\u2019s. I got excited because I\u2019m being a fan. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Steve: <\/strong>And with the second one and the third one, I became a dad. I started researching and started understanding. I, point blank, asked the coach these certain questions. I would go and visit them and watch them during a practice. All I did [earlier with Luke] was\u2014I let the coach\u2014because I was kind of in awe\u2014kind of dictate instead of, as I always say: \u201cWhen you\u2019re being recruited, you should run the process. Don\u2019t let the process run you.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You didn\u2019t stop being a dad on the last one. And you\u2019re saying you kind of stood in awe of, maybe, some stardom of those programs when you should have stayed fully-engaged, as a father.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>Exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We\u2019re talking to Steve and Lorri Zeller, whose sons, Luke and Tyler and Cody, have all played or are playing in the NBA today. They\u2019ve written a book called <em>Raising Boys the Zeller Way<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I think the point you\u2019re making\u2014if a young man or a young woman is going to be involved in athletics at the college level \/ even at the high school level today\u2014their coach and the program they\u2019re going to be in may be the most influential person in their life\u2014or the most influential aspect of their life\u2014during the time that they are competing; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. Luke, actually, helped\u2014once again, being the pioneer. He taught the other two\u2014he said: \u201cThere are three things you need to look for. The first thing is get to know your teammates because you\u2019re going to spend a ton of time with your teammates. The second thing is get to know your coach because you\u2019re going to spend a lot of time with the coach. Then, the third thing is make sure that the college has your major or the academic.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I\u2019m not saying academics was third on the list, but it was third on the list once you got in there and picked out\u2014because they knew they were going to play basketball. So, they knew they were going to be in academics. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and the reality is\u2014most kids, who play at the collegiate level\u2014that\u2019s it for them. If they don\u2019t have a degree\u2014something that they liked studying and that they are interested in\u2014they\u2019re not going to be able to make a living out playing basketball. They\u2019re going to have to figure out what the next job is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was no guarantee for your boys, even though they\u2019re seven-foot tall, that the NBA was just going to throw open the doors for them. In fact, as you said, for Luke, it took a while for him to crack through the NBA. So, having a life planned for yourself that doesn\u2019t involve the NBA\u2014back to Tyler\u2019s answer when he broke his wrist\u2014\u201cIf this is the end of my basketball career, I\u2019ll be successful in something else.\u201d\u00a0 <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>People ask us: \u201cWhat\u2019s your most memorable moment?\u00a0 I mean, your boys were McDonald\u2019s All-American; they won state championships in Indiana\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Mr. Basketball. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cMr. Basketball, played in Division 1.\u201d\u00a0 Lorri and I will tell you our most memorable moment was Tyler\u2019s senior year at North Carolina. He was named Academic All-American for basketball for the whole country. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lorri: <\/strong>So, they selected five for the nation. Tyler had called me\u2014he said, \u201cHey,\u201d\u2014we talked for about ten minutes\u2014and Tyler said: \u201cHey, the media is going to come out today. I just wanted you to know first that I\u2019m going to be an Academic All-American.\u201d\u00a0 I\u2019m like: \u201cOh, Tyler, that\u2019s really neat. Didn\u2019t you get that last year?\u201d\u00a0 He said, \u201cYes, as a junior, they pick five for the country.\u201d\u00a0 He was like: \u201cYes, I was on that team; but this year is a little different\u2014I <em>am<\/em> number one. I am <em>the<\/em> Academic All-American for the nation.\u201d\u00a0 We were like, \u201cWow!\u201d\u00a0 That was really great, and Steve was going to tell his quote. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>One of the things he did was\u2014he started his quote. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt the beginning of the quote, he talks about how he did this, and he\u2019s the first one at North Carolina and such a prestigious college. I\u2019m beginning to think, \u201cMan, he\u2019s gone back to\u2014it\u2019s \u2018I\u2026\u2019 \u2018I\u2026\u2019 \u2018I\u2026\u2019 \u2018I...\u2019\u201d But just when I had that thought cross my mind, he says: \u201cBut as important as this is to me, it\u2019s probably more important to my mom and dad. And I just want to thank them for taking the time\u2014all those times that they spent with my brothers and me\u2014spending those times going over all the academics, and teaching us that the basketball would stop dribbling someday; but academics would take us through the rest of our lives.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>This story we\u2019ve heard actually sounds so ideal\u2014you wonder where your struggles came. And Steve, I know for you, based upon the father you had\u2014you were one of 12 children growing up in a pretty poor family in Iowa.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYour dad didn\u2019t demonstrate a lot of love for you; and when it came time for you to demonstrate love and to say, \u201cI love you,\u201d to your boys, that didn\u2019t come natural for you either. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>No, it didn\u2019t. And Lorri will tell you, as far as the\u2014it was a big struggle because Luke\u2014and I think one of the things that I emphasized with this story is that you can learn just as much from your kids as you can teach them. One of the things that I learned from them\u2014and Luke would\u2014I remember nights, going to bed \/ putting Luke down for bed. He would say, \u201cI love you, Dad,\u201d and I\u2019d go, \u201cYes\u201d; and that would be it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLorri would coach me through it and say\u2014and I\u2019d say, \u201cHey, I <em>know<\/em> he knows I love him because my dad didn\u2019t have to say it; and he knew it as well.\u201d\u00a0 Well, to this day, now, I say, \u201cI love you,\u201d every chance I get to be able to say it to those boys. I give Luke and Lorri\u2014but Luke especially\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014a lot of credit for that\u2014being able to teach me that you need to hear it. You need to hear it, and it needs to be said. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You may not be aware of the fact that Dennis has written a book called <em>Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em> that\u2019s all about young men embracing character, and courage, and being adult men\u2014growing up and being godly men. That\u2019s been turned into a video series\u2014it\u2019s a ten-part video series. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd Dennis, I\u2019m just sitting here thinking about those parents, who are raising young men who are student athletes: \u201cIf you\u2019re not cultivating the character side of your son or your daughter as they grow as athletes, you\u2019re headed for real danger with that young man.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Or you\u2019re raising them in academics\u2014it doesn\u2019t really matter. The same issues of character face <em>all<\/em> of us. And character is doing the right thing when nobody is watching; and it\u2019s walking with God and obeying Him and having Him as you witness and as your\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014as the One you love \/ you love the most. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd it\u2019s interesting you mention my book, <em>Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em>.\u00a0 I had one last question I wanted to ask you both. It\u2019s one of my favorite questions to ask, but I want Bob to tell listeners how they can get a copy of the Zeller\u2019s book. Then, I\u2019m going to come back. I\u2019m going to give you some time to think about it because I want you both to think about what the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done in all your life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd just to give you a little help here, as well as to stall a little bit\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014on your behalf. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014on your behalf\u2014courage is not necessarily found on a battlefield, although it\u2019s found there; but it\u2019s doing your duty in the face of fear. So, I\u2019m going to come back and ask both of you: \u201cWhat\u2019s the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done?\u201d Maybe, your sons will listen to these broadcasts; and they\u2019ll hear something they may have never heard before. [Laughter]<br><br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>I was going to ask them to share the shots from the highlight reel for each boy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just wanted to know, \u201cWhat\u2019s your favorite play that you\u2019ve ever watched your son\u2026\u201d\u2014but maybe, we\u2019ll get a YouTube of that or something up there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, there was one in the book\u2014wasn\u2019t it virtually half-court to win the state championship?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>Luke did it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lorri: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>\u2014with 1.8 seconds left\u2014down by one shot \/ a half-court shot\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That gives me chill bumps!\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>\u2014in overtime!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lorri: <\/strong>Just look it up on YouTube. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>\u2014in overtime. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014<em>in<\/em> overtime. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019ll tell you what\u2014we\u2019ve actually found it, and we\u2019ve got it posted on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. So, listeners can go there\u2014they can see the video from YouTube\u2014it\u2019s called \u201cTheShot.\u201d\u00a0 It\u2019s about a minute long, and you can see Luke make that clutch shot to win the Indiana High School Basketball Championship. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can also order\u2014while you\u2019re on the website\u2014order a copy of the Zeller\u2019s book, <em>Raising Boys the Zeller Way<\/em>\u2014order online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call to order at 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOrder the book from us online, or give us a call. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, \u201cHappy anniversary!\u201d today to our friends, Ed and Janet Walter, who live in Smyrna, Tennessee\u201416 years together today. 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Today, if you can help with a donation, we\u2019ll send you a copy of the book, <em>Becoming a Spiritually Healthy Family: Avoiding the 6 Dysfunctional Parenting Styles<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s our thank-you gift when you go online at FamilyLifeToday.com to make an online contribution; or when you call 1-800-FL-TODAY and make your donation over the phone; or when you mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; our zip code is 72223. And thanks for letting me get all of that out of the way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, it has been fun to talk to the parents of young men who are like trees\u20147\u20190\u201d tall\u2014playing in the NBA. Love it!\u00a0 Love the story of how your family has made a tremendous contribution to our nation. And I just\u2014I gave you a few moments here to think back over your lives and answer a question: \u201cWhat\u2019s the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done?\u201d\u00a0 Lorri, I\u2019ll let you go first. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lorri: <\/strong>It was a very difficult time in our relationship\u2014with Steve and me. I got a phone call one day at the athletic office. Steve had been having some health issues; and he said, \u201cAre you sitting down?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said, \u201cYes.\u201d\u00a0 He said, \u201cWell, I have a valve in my heart that is going to have be replaced, and I\u2019m going to have to have open-heart surgery.\u201d\u00a0 And I said, \u201cOh, okay; when is this going to happen?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe didn\u2019t know it then\u2014but within two weeks, he was in the hospital, replacing a valve that\u2014didn\u2019t know he had it\u2014it was something he was born with but had just gotten worse as he got older. You were probably\u2014what?\u201445, I think, when we went through that. And it was tremendously difficult. Of course, we surrounded ourselves with prayer and with family, and the Lord blessed us again. And he\u2019s fine now; but it was tough. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Thinking of the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lorri: <\/strong>Yes; yes, absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u201cThough I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Lorri: <\/strong>Exactly, and I think what speaks to me the <em>most<\/em> about that Scripture is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it talks about walking <em>through<\/em>. I think the operative word there is <em>through<\/em> the valley of the shadow of death. It doesn\u2019t mean that you\u2019re going to stay there \/ that you\u2019re going to stay in that valley\u2014but that you\u2019re going to walk through it. We all go through times that are tough and that you have to be courageous. So, I think that really speaks to me\u2014that there are times that you\u2019re going to be afraid. I was afraid I was going to lose my husband, and I did have to be courageous. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Steve?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Steve: <\/strong>Mine is also with a health issue. My dad, which I\u2019ve talked a lot about\u2014in 1972\u2014which I would have been about 11 years old\u2014he was told he had an aneurysm. We had lost two of my uncles and my grandmother with an aneurysm that year, and he went in and had it checked. It was in his head, and it was ballooned to the point where it was ready to break. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd they took him to Rochester, and I\u2019ll never forget\u2014I was in the upstairs, in a bunk bed. I remember getting out of the bunk bed. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI went to the middle of the floor \/ got down on my knees\u2014and it was the night before my dad\u2019s surgery\u2014and I prayed. It was really the first time I remember praying in a prayer that wasn\u2019t just a recital of things I had been taught. Dad, obviously, came through the surgery. It\u2019s just a moment in my life that I felt like it took a lot of courage; but I also realized, \u201cJust turn it over to God and let Him deal with it.\u201d\u00a0 I just had a lot on my shoulders, as an 11 year old; and I was able to give it to Him. That\u2019s kind of what\u2019s helped me through the rest of my life\u2014you know: \u201cJust give it over to Him.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong><em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2016 FamilyLife. 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