{"id":303932,"date":"2016-03-29T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2016-03-29T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/growing-up-wooden\/"},"modified":"2016-03-29T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2016-03-29T15:00:00","slug":"growing-up-wooden","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/growing-up-wooden\/","title":{"rendered":"Growing Up Wooden"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>guest: John Wooden | Series: True Success: A Personal Visit with John Wooden | Obstacles represent a\u00a0stop sign to some people. To others they&#8217;re a stepping-stone to success. In an interview from 2002, Dennis Rainey talks with the late, legendary basketball coach John Wooden about what it was like growing up in the Midwest in the 1920s.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In an interview from 2002, Dennis Rainey talks with the late, legendary basketball coach John Wooden about what it was like growing up in the Midwest in the 1920s.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-03-29.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"22.79M","filesize_raw":"23897675","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2822],"tags":[4096],"podcast_series":[7733],"cwp_profile":[9201],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-303932","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-growing-in-your-faith","tag-mentoring","podcast_series-true-success-a-personal-visit-with-john-wooden","cwp_profile-john-wooden","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/303932\/growing-up-wooden","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/303932\/growing-up-wooden","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"f3hXSGRvbk\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/growing-up-wooden\/\">Growing Up Wooden<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/growing-up-wooden\/embed\/#?secret=f3hXSGRvbk\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Growing Up Wooden&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"f3hXSGRvbk\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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John Wooden was a young boy growing up on a farm\u2014a high school student who loved basketball\u2014who was about to meet the real love of his life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> I noticed this one little gal. I didn't know, but she had noticed me too\u2014but I didn't know that. My freshman year\u2014somehow, on the first day of classes, we happened to be in the same class; and I knew right then. We planned to be married after I graduated and got my first job. We were married on August 8, 1932.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>for Tuesday, March 29<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tToday, we\u2019ll listen back to the first part of a conversation we had, years ago, with a man who grew up to be one of the greatest coaches of all time. We\u2019ll talk with Coach John Wooden about his faith, his family, and basketball. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[And welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition. We have dusted off one of your favorites today. Part of the reason for that is because we\u2019re [at] the [end] of college basketball season, and folks are paying attention to that in their homes and their offices. But we had the opportunity, years ago, to sit down with one of the greatest names in college basketball in all of history.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; Coach John Wooden, coach of UCLA, where he won ten national championships in basketball in twelve years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, he won almost 100 games in a row, which is <em>totally<\/em> unheard of in his profession. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat a privilege, Bob! And I know some of our listeners are going, \u201cOh, I\u2019m going to turn it off.\u201d No, no, no, no, no! You need to know something\u2014his 65-year-old daughter was outside in the control booth, listening to us interview him. After it was over, she said, \u201cI think I like those interviews with Daddy almost as much as any I\u2019ve ever heard because you didn\u2019t just talk about basketball.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She said, \u201cI loved it because you talked about my mom, and how he was raised, and the values that he learned.\u201d It\u2019s a very up-close and personal look at Coach Wooden, at the age of 92, who was quoting poetry and Scripture without a note, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019re right\u2014out of more than 5,000 broadcasts that we\u2019ve done, here on <em>FamilyLife Today, <\/em>this one is one of my top five\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and yours too; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s a great visit with a guy who was at the top of his game, professionally, but who had the right focus about his life, about why he was here, and about what really matters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previously Recorded Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Tell us about life in the Wooden household when you were growing up as a young lad.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> We had a small farm. I learned a lot, I think, of things that helped me later on. You had to work hard. Dad felt there was time for play, but always after the chores and the studies were done. Dad would read to us every night from the Scriptures and a lot of poetry. I think that created a love of poetry, which I've always had. I like to dabble in it a little bit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy dad was a wonderful person. I never heard him speak an ill word of anybody\u2014never blamed anybody for anything. I never heard him use a word of profanity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that his reading to us each night later caused all four sons to get through college. Though he had no financial means to help and there were no athletic scholarships, all four sons graduated from college and all majored or minored in English. All got advanced degrees, and I think Dad had a lot to do with that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Your dad had, as you've already mentioned, a profound impact on your life. In fact, I was so looking forward to this interview with you because I've quoted you about something that you said you carried around in your pocket. It, first of all, was carried around in your father's pocket\u2014is that right?\u2014and then you started carrying it around. It was your dad's creed and then a poem by a pastor by the name of Henry Van Dyke.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> My father gave to me, when I graduated from grade school \/ from the eighth grade, he gave me a $2 bill \/ one of those large $2 bills and said, \"Son, as long as you keep this, you'll never be broke.\" [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen he also gave me a card. On one side was a verse by Reverend Van Dyke that said: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFour things a man must learn to do\u00a0<br>If he would make his record true:\u00a0<br>To think without confusion clearly;\u00a0<br>To love his fellow man sincerely;\u00a0<br>To act from honest motives purely;\u00a0<br>To trust in God and Heaven securely.\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd on the other side was a seven-point creed. The seven-point creed consisted\u2014first of all, I think it was, \"Be true to yourself.\u201d I think we know\u2014if we're true to ourselves, we'll be true to others. And the second was, \"Help others.\" There is no greater joy that a person can have than to do something for someone else, especially when you do it with no thought of something in return. Another one was, \"Make friendship a fine art.\" Work at it\u2014don't take it for granted \/ work at making friends and making friendships flourish. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then was one that, I think, stood out to me a great deal was, \"Make each day your masterpiece.\" I tried to teach from that, as time went by, to my players and my English students\u2014to just try and do the best you can each day\u2014just make each day your masterpiece. It's the only thing over which you have control. You have no control over yesterday \/ that will never change. The only way you can affect tomorrow is today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then another one was to \"Drink deeply from good books, especially the Bible.\u201d And then was, \"Build a shelter against a rainy day.\" He wasn't thinking about a physical shelter \/ he was thinking about a more lasting shelter. When I think about that, I often think of when Socrates was unjustly imprisoned and was facing imminent death. The jailers, who were mean people, couldn't understand his serenity. They said, \"Why aren't you preparing for death?\" And his statement was, \"I've been preparing for death all my life by the life I've led.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I think of building a shelter against a rainy day, I think that's what Dad had in mind. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen the last was\u2014the seventh was, \"Give thanks for your blessings and pray for guidance every day.\u201d I've carried that with me in one form or another since those days; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Those core convictions are so bedrock with you\u2014that's a part of how your mom and dad raised you. I think some people hear those things, in the 21st century, and some people say, \"That sounds kind of old-fashioned \/ kind of corny\"; but that's so ingrained into who you are and who you've been. You would say that's been a part of what has made you successful as a coach; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, I would hope so; but I know, too, as someone said, \"I'm not what I ought to be, and not what I want to be, and not what I'm going to be; but I think those things have made me better than I would have been.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Your dad read the Bible every day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; he did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How did you see him live out his faith in Christ every day, as a father? What are the most indelible memories that you have, as a boy, watching your dad? Because, undoubtedly, for him to have the influence he had on you, as a man, his character has to resonate even today in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Perhaps I wasn't realizing it at the time\u2014but as I look back on my dad, and the fact that he never spoke an ill word of anyone and just was a good person\u2014you don't realize it so much of the time. Many of the things\u2014one of the things he said was: \u201cNever try to be better than someone else. You have no control over that. If you get too involved, and engrossed, and concerned\u201d\u2014 maybe these weren't his exact words but\u2014\u201cover things over which you have no control, it will adversely affect the things over which you have control.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, years later, I remember that. So somewhere in the hidden recesses of the mind, they stuck there; but it was things like that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember him reading to us, during nights, from the Scriptures. [Also,] I can still close my eyes and hear him reading \"Hiawatha.\" I can still hear: \"By the shores of Gitche Gumee, by the shining Big-Sea-Water, stood the wigwam of Nokomis\u2026\" and so on, and things of that sort. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You didn't have any TV \/ any radio. So, in the evening, reading was the primary form of entertainment; wasn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> You're correct\u2014by a coal oil lamp or candles.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. Was your dad\u2014as you think back on his life, you've talked about this tender side of him; and yet, he was still whipping you when you did the wrong thing. Was he a strict disciplinarian?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, I would say, \u201cYes,\u201d but not in a physical point of way. I know I didn't want to get an unkind word from my dad \/ a strong word. I don't know\u2014you just hated to hurt him in any way \/ you just had that feeling about him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As you followed your dad, you undoubtedly watched how he loved your mother. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Tell us about what you observed there and his commitment to her, as a woman and as his wife, over their years together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, I think dad's first concern was always for mother. He was looking out for her the best he could in every way\u2014but in a gentle way \/ in a gentle way. I can picture them together\u2014not in the romantic way that you might think\u2014but there was just something between them that was very, very special. I don't know how to describe it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You said of yourself in your book, <em>They Call Me Coach<\/em>, that, as you moved into your high school years, you were shy \/ you were reserved, especially with the opposite sex.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; I suppose, not being exposed much\u2014no sisters\u2014and I'm on the farm. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI suppose that's the reason\u2014I don't know\u2014but I was a little shy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But here you were\u2014this star basketball player on the high school team. I mean, the girls \/ the cheerleaders had to notice Johnny Wooden; didn't they? Did they call you \u201cJohnny\u201d back then or was it \u201cJohn\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> John Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> John Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> John Bob!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Nellie and I had been married for many years when her sister came out here to California\u2014her sister came one time and she said, \"Don't you think you and John have been married long enough that you should quit calling him John Bob?\" [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But didn't the girls start to notice you as you were draining those jump shots on the basketball teams?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; he kind of skirted your answer there\u2014I was watching him about that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, I'll tell you\u2014my freshman year, I was still living on the farm. We didn't lose the farm until after my freshman year, and we commuted from this little town of Center\u2014we lived about a half a mile out of that\u2014to Martinsville. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI noticed this one little gal, and I didn't know that she had noticed me too\u2014but I didn't know that. That summer, she got the brother of her closest friend, who then became very dear to me, to drive up. The brother had a car, and they drove up. I was working in the field, plowing corn with a team. They parked in the road and motioned for me to come over, and I wouldn't go over. I just kept on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Why wouldn't you go over?! Here's this cute girl on the side of the road\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and you even liked her too!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Oh, yes; but I guess I was dirty. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSomehow, on the first day of classes, we happened to be in the same class. She said, \"Why didn't you come over to see us over there?\" I said, \"Well, I was dirty and perspiring. You would have just made fun of me.\" And Nellie said\u2014I can still see her\u2014she said, \"I would <em>never<\/em> make fun of you\"; and I knew right then.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There was a spark in her eyes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; and this is the only girl I ever really went with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, by your junior year in high school, did you think, \"This is the girl I'll marry\"?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you all started going together?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> We did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So you waited to marry until you got to college?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes, until I graduated. We planned to be married after I graduated and got my first job; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Coach, that's a <em>long<\/em> courtship\u2014from your junior year in high school until you graduated from college and got your first job. That must have been hard!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But, Bob, the rest of the story is\u2014if Nellie hadn't put her foot down\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Oh! He might still be dragging it on today?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, there is a rest of the story here because he really had promised her that he was going to marry her upon graduation; but then the war came along.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; well, I had an appointment to West Point. She said: \u201cThat would be six more years, and I'm not going to wait. I'm going to a convent.\" So I didn't go to West Point. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She said she wouldn't wait on you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; that's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And so what did you do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, I finished at Purdue. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So you were married then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> We were married on August 8, 1932.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You were, in those days, All-American three years in a row. You were named the College Player of the Year your senior year. As I was doing this research, I was thinking \/ I was talking to Bob\u2014I said, \"I don't remember Coach Wooden being that tall to be College Player of the Year. He must have been 6'3\" or 6'4\".\u201d On the sidelines, you looked a little small around those big guys at UCLA. But you were only 5'10\" in those days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> But, you know\u2014the teams weren't as big then, either, as they are now too. Our center at Purdue, Stretch Murphy, was 6'8\"; and he was a <em>giant<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI only had the pleasure of playing with him one year. I had the displeasure of playing against him one year when I was a sophomore in high school for the Indiana State Championship. He was the center on the opposing team, and he was good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you just have what it takes as an athlete? Were you just a naturally-gifted\u2014something about the way God made you that you turned out to be a good basketball player? Or did you work really hard to be a good ball player?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, I hope I did the latter; but He provided the former. [Laughter] I had natural quickness. I couldn't do much about my height, but I could do something about my condition. I always wanted to be in the best possible condition and hoped that would be better than others\u2014hoped others wouldn't work as hard at it as I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Back when you were in high school and in college, the game was different. The center jump was a pivotal part of the game. If you had a good center, that was the key to a successful season; wasn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> At Purdue, we led one team one time 16 to 0; and they hadn\u2019t touched the ball yet. There was no three-second rule or anything of that sort. So the game was different. My senior year at Purdue, I broke the Big Ten scoring record\u2014about 15 points a game. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI played semi-pro basketball with the Kautsky Club in Indianapolis on weekends and during vacation periods sometimes\u2014six years I played with them. My last year \/ my sixth year was the only year I ever played without the center jump. I wasn\u2019t as good a player in my last year because I\u2019d suffered a leg injury. My whole game was quickness and speed. I still wasn\u2019t as good of a player, but I scored twice as much than I\u2019d ever scored before. That is merely an indication of what the abolishment of the center jump did to the game.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Today, when a young man graduates as the College Player of the Year, he\u2019s going to be drafted #1 or #2 in the NBA draft. He\u2019s going to get a signing bonus that is millions of dollars. He\u2019s going to get a contract that is worth millions of dollars a year. He\u2019s going to be an instant media celebrity. When you graduated, as the College Player of the Year, was there anything like that that accompanied your graduation?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, of course not; but there were a lot of things that were better. I had Nellie immediately after my graduation as soon as I got a job. [Laughter] I had a job\u2014I only got $115 a month, but it was a job. I made as much, on the side almost, playing the semi-pro basketball as I did on my job; but there are a lot of advantages \/ there are a lot of disadvantages.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Coach, you mentioned that your father was a tremendous influence on your life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou also mentioned your college basketball coach, who had an interesting nickname\u2014Piggy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; Coach Ward \u201cPiggy\u201d Lambert was his nickname. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How did he influence your life?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> I think that Mr. Lambert had as high morals as any coach that I\u2019ve ever known\u2014many, many things\u2014I\u2019ll give you an example. After my sophomore year, we were generally considered national champions. There was no tournament at that time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMr. Lambert called me in that spring before school was out and said, \u201cDo you know a Dr. So-and-so?\u201d And I said, \u201cYes, he\u2019s one of our good friends.\u201d He said, \u201cHe really likes you.\u201d I thought that was nice. He said, \u201cHe wants to do something for you.\u201d I said, \u201cWell, what does he want to do for me?\u201d He said, \u201cHe wants you to quit working in the fraternity house and to not have to work at other jobs to make money.\u201d I said, \u201cWell, that sounds pretty good!\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said, \u201cWell, then, how are you going to repay him?\u201d I said, \u201cWell, I thought he just wanted to do this.\u201d He said: \u201cHe does, but I thought you were the type of person who would want to repay him. I want you to think this over. Come in, in a little while, and let me know.\u201d\u00a0 Well, I went in a few days later; and he said, \u201cWhat did you decide?\u201d I said, \u201cWell, I\u2019ll go along.\u201d And he said: \u201cOh, I thought you would! That\u2019s exactly what I thought you\u2019d do.\u201d And he said: \u201cYou\u2019re not going to owe anybody anything! You\u2019ve earned your way and deserved it, and I thought you\u2019d do that.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cBut,\u201d\u2014he said\u2014\u201cyou need some clothes. I know, when we played Wisconsin and Minnesota last year, you didn\u2019t have a topcoat and your shoes weren\u2019t very good. You go over Hennes [spelling uncertain] Department Store\u2014it\u2019s all set up over there for you to get some clothes.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I had the best suit and best pair of shoes I had ever had. I think I got a pair of Florsheim shoes; I think they were $5 then. That was nice! [Laughter] Mine before, I think, had been a dollar or two. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said, \u201cBut this is not a gift.\u201d He said, \u201cYou know, you\u2019ll get tickets. Next year\u2014your second year as a starter\u2014you\u2019ll get three tickets and, being captain, you\u2019ll get a fourth ticket. Dr. Rosnick [spelling uncertain] gets your tickets \/ you\u2019ll get no tickets.\u201d But he said: \u201cIf your parents or Nellie comes up or anything, we\u2019ll get them in. Don\u2019t worry about that.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we have been listening to a couple of much younger guys interviewing Coach John Wooden. [Laughter] We sound a little different there; don\u2019t we? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We did! You know, Coach Wooden lived to be 99 years old before he died in 2010. You just kept hearing stories about him all the way to the end\u2014of the impact he had on other coaches, former players, and young men. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe was stretched out all the way to the finish line.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And we\u2019re not done hearing stories from Coach Wooden this week. Tomorrow, we\u2019ll continue our conversation we had with him back in 2003. But I wanted to let our listeners know we\u2019ve got a book that we\u2019ve got in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center that\u2019s called <em>The Wisdom of Wooden: My Century On and Off the Court. <\/em>It is more than just a basketball memoir\u2014it has his philosophy of life. His seven-point creed is included: \u201cMake each day a masterpiece,\u201d \u201cHelp others,\u201d \u201cBe true to yourself,\u201d\u2014the guiding principles that he used to mold young men to be more than just basketball players.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFind out more about the book, <em>The Wisdom of Wooden: My Century On and Off the Court, <\/em>when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com. If you know somebody who\u2019s a young man playing basketball in junior high or high school, this would be a great book to get for that young person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRead it with them, or give it to them as a gift. Again, you\u2019ll find the book, <em>The Wisdom of Wooden, <\/em>when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Or you can call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY,\u201d and ask to have the book sent to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we\u2019ve got some friends, who live in Meridian, Idaho, celebrating their second wedding anniversary today\u2014Paul and Sasha Shulga\u2014they are Legacy Partners. I think they hosted an <em>Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video event, and I think Paul has taken guys through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series. We just wanted to say, \u201cCongratulations!\u201d to you guys on year number two in your marriage. We\u2019re glad that you listen to <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>We appreciate your support of this ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re all about anniversaries, here at FamilyLife. This is our 40<sup>th<\/sup> anniversary, but it\u2019s not our anniversary that we want to focus on this year. We want to focus on all of the anniversaries that have happened because of how God has used FamilyLife over the last 40 years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere have been a lot of them\u2014like the Shulgas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks to those of you who help make this ministry happen. We appreciate your financial support. We are listener-supported. All that we do is made possible by folks, like you\u2014who will either give occasionally or who will join us, as Legacy Partners, and give each month to support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re able to make a donation today, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending you a copy of Michelle Anthony\u2019s book, <em>Becoming a Spiritually Healthy Family. <\/em>It\u2019s our thank-you gift when you support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>You can do that online at FamilyLifeToday.com; you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY; or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, we\u2019d love to help <em>you<\/em> celebrate your anniversary in a special way this year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got some anniversary ideas that we will send to you about a month before your anniversary comes around. All we have to do is know when your anniversary is and whether you\u2019d rather get text messages or emails. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com and sign up to make this a very special anniversary in 2016.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to hear more of our conversation, recorded back in 2003, with Coach John Wooden\u2014a classic visit with one of the greatest coaches of all time. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, with special help from Mark Ramey. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. 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John Wooden was a young boy growing up on a farm\u2014a high school student who loved basketball\u2014who was about to meet the real love of his life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> I noticed this one little gal. I didn't know, but she had noticed me too\u2014but I didn't know that. My freshman year\u2014somehow, on the first day of classes, we happened to be in the same class; and I knew right then. We planned to be married after I graduated and got my first job. We were married on August 8, 1932.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>for Tuesday, March 29<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tToday, we\u2019ll listen back to the first part of a conversation we had, years ago, with a man who grew up to be one of the greatest coaches of all time. We\u2019ll talk with Coach John Wooden about his faith, his family, and basketball. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[And welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition. We have dusted off one of your favorites today. Part of the reason for that is because we\u2019re [at] the [end] of college basketball season, and folks are paying attention to that in their homes and their offices. But we had the opportunity, years ago, to sit down with one of the greatest names in college basketball in all of history.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; Coach John Wooden, coach of UCLA, where he won ten national championships in basketball in twelve years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, he won almost 100 games in a row, which is <em>totally<\/em> unheard of in his profession. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat a privilege, Bob! And I know some of our listeners are going, \u201cOh, I\u2019m going to turn it off.\u201d No, no, no, no, no! You need to know something\u2014his 65-year-old daughter was outside in the control booth, listening to us interview him. After it was over, she said, \u201cI think I like those interviews with Daddy almost as much as any I\u2019ve ever heard because you didn\u2019t just talk about basketball.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She said, \u201cI loved it because you talked about my mom, and how he was raised, and the values that he learned.\u201d It\u2019s a very up-close and personal look at Coach Wooden, at the age of 92, who was quoting poetry and Scripture without a note, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019re right\u2014out of more than 5,000 broadcasts that we\u2019ve done, here on <em>FamilyLife Today, <\/em>this one is one of my top five\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and yours too; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; it\u2019s a great visit with a guy who was at the top of his game, professionally, but who had the right focus about his life, about why he was here, and about what really matters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previously Recorded Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Tell us about life in the Wooden household when you were growing up as a young lad.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> We had a small farm. I learned a lot, I think, of things that helped me later on. You had to work hard. Dad felt there was time for play, but always after the chores and the studies were done. Dad would read to us every night from the Scriptures and a lot of poetry. I think that created a love of poetry, which I've always had. I like to dabble in it a little bit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy dad was a wonderful person. I never heard him speak an ill word of anybody\u2014never blamed anybody for anything. I never heard him use a word of profanity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that his reading to us each night later caused all four sons to get through college. Though he had no financial means to help and there were no athletic scholarships, all four sons graduated from college and all majored or minored in English. 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On one side was a verse by Reverend Van Dyke that said: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFour things a man must learn to do\u00a0<br>If he would make his record true:\u00a0<br>To think without confusion clearly;\u00a0<br>To love his fellow man sincerely;\u00a0<br>To act from honest motives purely;\u00a0<br>To trust in God and Heaven securely.\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd on the other side was a seven-point creed. The seven-point creed consisted\u2014first of all, I think it was, \"Be true to yourself.\u201d I think we know\u2014if we're true to ourselves, we'll be true to others. And the second was, \"Help others.\" There is no greater joy that a person can have than to do something for someone else, especially when you do it with no thought of something in return. Another one was, \"Make friendship a fine art.\" Work at it\u2014don't take it for granted \/ work at making friends and making friendships flourish. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then was one that, I think, stood out to me a great deal was, \"Make each day your masterpiece.\" I tried to teach from that, as time went by, to my players and my English students\u2014to just try and do the best you can each day\u2014just make each day your masterpiece. It's the only thing over which you have control. You have no control over yesterday \/ that will never change. The only way you can affect tomorrow is today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then another one was to \"Drink deeply from good books, especially the Bible.\u201d And then was, \"Build a shelter against a rainy day.\" He wasn't thinking about a physical shelter \/ he was thinking about a more lasting shelter. When I think about that, I often think of when Socrates was unjustly imprisoned and was facing imminent death. The jailers, who were mean people, couldn't understand his serenity. They said, \"Why aren't you preparing for death?\" And his statement was, \"I've been preparing for death all my life by the life I've led.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I think of building a shelter against a rainy day, I think that's what Dad had in mind. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen the last was\u2014the seventh was, \"Give thanks for your blessings and pray for guidance every day.\u201d I've carried that with me in one form or another since those days; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Those core convictions are so bedrock with you\u2014that's a part of how your mom and dad raised you. I think some people hear those things, in the 21st century, and some people say, \"That sounds kind of old-fashioned \/ kind of corny\"; but that's so ingrained into who you are and who you've been. You would say that's been a part of what has made you successful as a coach; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, I would hope so; but I know, too, as someone said, \"I'm not what I ought to be, and not what I want to be, and not what I'm going to be; but I think those things have made me better than I would have been.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Your dad read the Bible every day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; he did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How did you see him live out his faith in Christ every day, as a father? What are the most indelible memories that you have, as a boy, watching your dad? Because, undoubtedly, for him to have the influence he had on you, as a man, his character has to resonate even today in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Perhaps I wasn't realizing it at the time\u2014but as I look back on my dad, and the fact that he never spoke an ill word of anyone and just was a good person\u2014you don't realize it so much of the time. Many of the things\u2014one of the things he said was: \u201cNever try to be better than someone else. You have no control over that. If you get too involved, and engrossed, and concerned\u201d\u2014 maybe these weren't his exact words but\u2014\u201cover things over which you have no control, it will adversely affect the things over which you have control.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, years later, I remember that. So somewhere in the hidden recesses of the mind, they stuck there; but it was things like that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember him reading to us, during nights, from the Scriptures. [Also,] I can still close my eyes and hear him reading \"Hiawatha.\" I can still hear: \"By the shores of Gitche Gumee, by the shining Big-Sea-Water, stood the wigwam of Nokomis\u2026\" and so on, and things of that sort. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You didn't have any TV \/ any radio. So, in the evening, reading was the primary form of entertainment; wasn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> You're correct\u2014by a coal oil lamp or candles.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. Was your dad\u2014as you think back on his life, you've talked about this tender side of him; and yet, he was still whipping you when you did the wrong thing. Was he a strict disciplinarian?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, I would say, \u201cYes,\u201d but not in a physical point of way. I know I didn't want to get an unkind word from my dad \/ a strong word. I don't know\u2014you just hated to hurt him in any way \/ you just had that feeling about him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As you followed your dad, you undoubtedly watched how he loved your mother. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Tell us about what you observed there and his commitment to her, as a woman and as his wife, over their years together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, I think dad's first concern was always for mother. He was looking out for her the best he could in every way\u2014but in a gentle way \/ in a gentle way. I can picture them together\u2014not in the romantic way that you might think\u2014but there was just something between them that was very, very special. I don't know how to describe it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You said of yourself in your book, <em>They Call Me Coach<\/em>, that, as you moved into your high school years, you were shy \/ you were reserved, especially with the opposite sex.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; I suppose, not being exposed much\u2014no sisters\u2014and I'm on the farm. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI suppose that's the reason\u2014I don't know\u2014but I was a little shy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But here you were\u2014this star basketball player on the high school team. I mean, the girls \/ the cheerleaders had to notice Johnny Wooden; didn't they? Did they call you \u201cJohnny\u201d back then or was it \u201cJohn\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> John Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> John Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> John Bob!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Nellie and I had been married for many years when her sister came out here to California\u2014her sister came one time and she said, \"Don't you think you and John have been married long enough that you should quit calling him John Bob?\" [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But didn't the girls start to notice you as you were draining those jump shots on the basketball teams?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; he kind of skirted your answer there\u2014I was watching him about that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, I'll tell you\u2014my freshman year, I was still living on the farm. We didn't lose the farm until after my freshman year, and we commuted from this little town of Center\u2014we lived about a half a mile out of that\u2014to Martinsville. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI noticed this one little gal, and I didn't know that she had noticed me too\u2014but I didn't know that. That summer, she got the brother of her closest friend, who then became very dear to me, to drive up. The brother had a car, and they drove up. I was working in the field, plowing corn with a team. They parked in the road and motioned for me to come over, and I wouldn't go over. I just kept on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Why wouldn't you go over?! Here's this cute girl on the side of the road\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and you even liked her too!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Oh, yes; but I guess I was dirty. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSomehow, on the first day of classes, we happened to be in the same class. She said, \"Why didn't you come over to see us over there?\" I said, \"Well, I was dirty and perspiring. You would have just made fun of me.\" And Nellie said\u2014I can still see her\u2014she said, \"I would <em>never<\/em> make fun of you\"; and I knew right then.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There was a spark in her eyes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; and this is the only girl I ever really went with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, by your junior year in high school, did you think, \"This is the girl I'll marry\"?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you all started going together?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> We did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So you waited to marry until you got to college?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes, until I graduated. We planned to be married after I graduated and got my first job; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Coach, that's a <em>long<\/em> courtship\u2014from your junior year in high school until you graduated from college and got your first job. That must have been hard!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But, Bob, the rest of the story is\u2014if Nellie hadn't put her foot down\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Oh! He might still be dragging it on today?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, there is a rest of the story here because he really had promised her that he was going to marry her upon graduation; but then the war came along.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; well, I had an appointment to West Point. She said: \u201cThat would be six more years, and I'm not going to wait. I'm going to a convent.\" So I didn't go to West Point. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She said she wouldn't wait on you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; that's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And so what did you do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, I finished at Purdue. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So you were married then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> We were married on August 8, 1932.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You were, in those days, All-American three years in a row. You were named the College Player of the Year your senior year. As I was doing this research, I was thinking \/ I was talking to Bob\u2014I said, \"I don't remember Coach Wooden being that tall to be College Player of the Year. He must have been 6'3\" or 6'4\".\u201d On the sidelines, you looked a little small around those big guys at UCLA. But you were only 5'10\" in those days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> But, you know\u2014the teams weren't as big then, either, as they are now too. Our center at Purdue, Stretch Murphy, was 6'8\"; and he was a <em>giant<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI only had the pleasure of playing with him one year. I had the displeasure of playing against him one year when I was a sophomore in high school for the Indiana State Championship. He was the center on the opposing team, and he was good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you just have what it takes as an athlete? Were you just a naturally-gifted\u2014something about the way God made you that you turned out to be a good basketball player? Or did you work really hard to be a good ball player?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, I hope I did the latter; but He provided the former. [Laughter] I had natural quickness. I couldn't do much about my height, but I could do something about my condition. I always wanted to be in the best possible condition and hoped that would be better than others\u2014hoped others wouldn't work as hard at it as I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Back when you were in high school and in college, the game was different. The center jump was a pivotal part of the game. If you had a good center, that was the key to a successful season; wasn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> At Purdue, we led one team one time 16 to 0; and they hadn\u2019t touched the ball yet. There was no three-second rule or anything of that sort. So the game was different. My senior year at Purdue, I broke the Big Ten scoring record\u2014about 15 points a game. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI played semi-pro basketball with the Kautsky Club in Indianapolis on weekends and during vacation periods sometimes\u2014six years I played with them. My last year \/ my sixth year was the only year I ever played without the center jump. I wasn\u2019t as good a player in my last year because I\u2019d suffered a leg injury. My whole game was quickness and speed. I still wasn\u2019t as good of a player, but I scored twice as much than I\u2019d ever scored before. That is merely an indication of what the abolishment of the center jump did to the game.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Today, when a young man graduates as the College Player of the Year, he\u2019s going to be drafted #1 or #2 in the NBA draft. He\u2019s going to get a signing bonus that is millions of dollars. He\u2019s going to get a contract that is worth millions of dollars a year. He\u2019s going to be an instant media celebrity. When you graduated, as the College Player of the Year, was there anything like that that accompanied your graduation?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, of course not; but there were a lot of things that were better. I had Nellie immediately after my graduation as soon as I got a job. [Laughter] I had a job\u2014I only got $115 a month, but it was a job. I made as much, on the side almost, playing the semi-pro basketball as I did on my job; but there are a lot of advantages \/ there are a lot of disadvantages.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Coach, you mentioned that your father was a tremendous influence on your life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou also mentioned your college basketball coach, who had an interesting nickname\u2014Piggy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes; Coach Ward \u201cPiggy\u201d Lambert was his nickname. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How did he influence your life?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> I think that Mr. Lambert had as high morals as any coach that I\u2019ve ever known\u2014many, many things\u2014I\u2019ll give you an example. After my sophomore year, we were generally considered national champions. There was no tournament at that time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMr. Lambert called me in that spring before school was out and said, \u201cDo you know a Dr. So-and-so?\u201d And I said, \u201cYes, he\u2019s one of our good friends.\u201d He said, \u201cHe really likes you.\u201d I thought that was nice. He said, \u201cHe wants to do something for you.\u201d I said, \u201cWell, what does he want to do for me?\u201d He said, \u201cHe wants you to quit working in the fraternity house and to not have to work at other jobs to make money.\u201d I said, \u201cWell, that sounds pretty good!\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said, \u201cWell, then, how are you going to repay him?\u201d I said, \u201cWell, I thought he just wanted to do this.\u201d He said: \u201cHe does, but I thought you were the type of person who would want to repay him. I want you to think this over. Come in, in a little while, and let me know.\u201d\u00a0 Well, I went in a few days later; and he said, \u201cWhat did you decide?\u201d I said, \u201cWell, I\u2019ll go along.\u201d And he said: \u201cOh, I thought you would! That\u2019s exactly what I thought you\u2019d do.\u201d And he said: \u201cYou\u2019re not going to owe anybody anything! You\u2019ve earned your way and deserved it, and I thought you\u2019d do that.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cBut,\u201d\u2014he said\u2014\u201cyou need some clothes. I know, when we played Wisconsin and Minnesota last year, you didn\u2019t have a topcoat and your shoes weren\u2019t very good. You go over Hennes [spelling uncertain] Department Store\u2014it\u2019s all set up over there for you to get some clothes.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I had the best suit and best pair of shoes I had ever had. I think I got a pair of Florsheim shoes; I think they were $5 then. That was nice! [Laughter] Mine before, I think, had been a dollar or two. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said, \u201cBut this is not a gift.\u201d He said, \u201cYou know, you\u2019ll get tickets. Next year\u2014your second year as a starter\u2014you\u2019ll get three tickets and, being captain, you\u2019ll get a fourth ticket. Dr. Rosnick [spelling uncertain] gets your tickets \/ you\u2019ll get no tickets.\u201d But he said: \u201cIf your parents or Nellie comes up or anything, we\u2019ll get them in. Don\u2019t worry about that.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we have been listening to a couple of much younger guys interviewing Coach John Wooden. [Laughter] We sound a little different there; don\u2019t we? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We did! You know, Coach Wooden lived to be 99 years old before he died in 2010. You just kept hearing stories about him all the way to the end\u2014of the impact he had on other coaches, former players, and young men. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe was stretched out all the way to the finish line.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And we\u2019re not done hearing stories from Coach Wooden this week. Tomorrow, we\u2019ll continue our conversation we had with him back in 2003. But I wanted to let our listeners know we\u2019ve got a book that we\u2019ve got in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center that\u2019s called <em>The Wisdom of Wooden: My Century On and Off the Court. <\/em>It is more than just a basketball memoir\u2014it has his philosophy of life. His seven-point creed is included: \u201cMake each day a masterpiece,\u201d \u201cHelp others,\u201d \u201cBe true to yourself,\u201d\u2014the guiding principles that he used to mold young men to be more than just basketball players.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFind out more about the book, <em>The Wisdom of Wooden: My Century On and Off the Court, <\/em>when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com. If you know somebody who\u2019s a young man playing basketball in junior high or high school, this would be a great book to get for that young person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRead it with them, or give it to them as a gift. Again, you\u2019ll find the book, <em>The Wisdom of Wooden, <\/em>when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Or you can call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY,\u201d and ask to have the book sent to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we\u2019ve got some friends, who live in Meridian, Idaho, celebrating their second wedding anniversary today\u2014Paul and Sasha Shulga\u2014they are Legacy Partners. I think they hosted an <em>Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video event, and I think Paul has taken guys through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series. We just wanted to say, \u201cCongratulations!\u201d to you guys on year number two in your marriage. We\u2019re glad that you listen to <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>We appreciate your support of this ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re all about anniversaries, here at FamilyLife. This is our 40<sup>th<\/sup> anniversary, but it\u2019s not our anniversary that we want to focus on this year. We want to focus on all of the anniversaries that have happened because of how God has used FamilyLife over the last 40 years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere have been a lot of them\u2014like the Shulgas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks to those of you who help make this ministry happen. We appreciate your financial support. We are listener-supported. All that we do is made possible by folks, like you\u2014who will either give occasionally or who will join us, as Legacy Partners, and give each month to support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re able to make a donation today, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending you a copy of Michelle Anthony\u2019s book, <em>Becoming a Spiritually Healthy Family. <\/em>It\u2019s our thank-you gift when you support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>You can do that online at FamilyLifeToday.com; you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY; or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, we\u2019d love to help <em>you<\/em> celebrate your anniversary in a special way this year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got some anniversary ideas that we will send to you about a month before your anniversary comes around. All we have to do is know when your anniversary is and whether you\u2019d rather get text messages or emails. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com and sign up to make this a very special anniversary in 2016.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to hear more of our conversation, recorded back in 2003, with Coach John Wooden\u2014a classic visit with one of the greatest coaches of all time. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, with special help from Mark Ramey. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\tHelp for today. 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