{"id":303828,"date":"2016-01-13T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2016-01-13T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/becoming-transparent\/"},"modified":"2016-01-13T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2016-01-13T17:00:00","slug":"becoming-transparent","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/becoming-transparent\/","title":{"rendered":"Becoming Transparent"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jennifer Smith talks about her first years of marriage and the difficulty she and her husband, Aaron, had consummating the marriage. 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When they finally shared their struggles with close friends, healing slowly came.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-01-13.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>For more than four years, Aaron and Jennifer Smith were unable to consummate their marriage because of the intense physical pain Jennifer experienced anytime they tried. It caused Jennifer, at least, to stop and wonder whether it was time to call it quits. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>I never had thought that divorce was a route that I\u2019d want to go\u2014especially because I experienced, with my parents\u2019 divorce, how devastating that is to a family. But once you get there, and you are hopeless, and your heart is so broken, that is an option that you start to contemplate. Once you start thinking about it and dwelling on it, it becomes real. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, January 13<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Jennifer Smith joins us today to share about how her faith and perseverance finally paid off in their marriage. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks for joining us on the Wednesday edition. We\u2019re hearing quite a story this week. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just need to pause, here at the beginning of today\u2019s program, and remind our listeners about a special opportunity they have, this week and next week, to join us at one of our upcoming <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways. When you sign up, either this week or next week, to attend one of the upcoming getaways\u2014you pay for yourself and your spouse comes free\u2014it\u2019s a buy one \/ get one free opportunity. This is the <em>best<\/em> offer we make on the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> throughout the year. We do this so that, if you will plan ahead and plan to join us, you can take advantage of the best rate available for the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you need more information, go online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call us at 1-800-FL-TODAY. You can sign up, online, or you can call to register\u2014our number, again: 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014and our website: FamilyLifeToday.com. We\u2019d love to see you at one of these upcoming getaways. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHope you\u2019ll plan to spend a weekend with us this spring\u2014renewing, refreshing, relaxing, and building into your marriage as the two of you get away for a weekend together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I just have to say\u2014I\u2019m feeling bad for you with this cold you\u2019re struggling with this week. I mean, you\u2019ve been\u2014this has been hanging on here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I do sound a little stuffy, but we are pressing on here. We\u2019re having a very interesting conversation around a journey of a young married couple who started out their marriage\u2014well, to put it bluntly\u2014were not able to consummate their marriage for over four years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJennifer Smith joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. How\u2019s that for an introduction, Jennifer?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Interesting\u2014I like that word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>But you\u2019re the one that wrote the book\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014<em>The Unveiled Wife: Embracing Intimacy with God and Your Husband<\/em>\u2014Jennifer, along with her husband, Aaron\u2014who has fully blessed her book and her work and ministry through the Unveiled Wife, which is a ministry you have on the web\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014live in Bend, Oregon, with their two children. You guys have been married, now, over eight years; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Take us three-and-a-half years into your marriage. We\u2019ve told the story of how you start out your honeymoon and you couldn\u2019t complete the process of becoming one, as a couple, because of pain. By three-and-a-half years into your marriage, had the process changed at all when you all attempted to be intimate with one another?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>It was the same\u2014so much pain\/excruciating. We just couldn\u2019t figure out why. It kept me from even wanting to try. By three-and-a-half years, I was really isolated from my husband. I really pulled away from him and didn\u2019t even pursue him in that area. I waited for him to come to me; but by then, he was tired of pursuing me in that area. So, our marriage was falling apart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You were coming up with all kinds of excuses. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Oh, sure: \u201cMy stomach hurts,\u201d\u00a0 \u201cI have a headache,\u201d\u00a0 \u201cI can\u2019t,\u201d\u2014yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>But it was all to avoid what you knew would happen\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Pain; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014pain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>I didn\u2019t want to experience that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>On a ten-point scale?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>It was a ten. It was pretty\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Like childbirth?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Actually, childbirth\u2014I felt like I could get through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>After having two children\u2014I know it\u2019s crazy to think about\u2014but I\u2019ve been able to endure that pain without shedding a tear even. With my husband and me, I cried almost every time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, you had been to a clinic and had talked to a nurse who had given you suggestions. None of that had helped. Had you gone back for a complete OB exam? I mean\u2014a couple years into the marriage, if this is still a problem\u2014you\u2019ve got to get it checked out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Yes, I did. I actually had gone back twice. Both times, the doctors were like: \u201cYou look fine. You look great. You should have no problem being intimate with your husband.\u201d\u00a0 I wept. I got in the car and said, \u201cGod, why?!\u201d\u2014just so angry \/ so frustrated\u2014that I\u2019d rather have bad news. I\u2019d rather you tell me: \u201cThis is never going to work,\u201d and that \u201cYou have some issue that you need to go have surgery for or whatever.\u201d I remember thinking: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI\u2019m healthy?!\u00a0 You\u2019re going to tell me I\u2019m fine, and I have to go home and tell my husband that?!\u2014that there is no reason why we can\u2019t be physically intimate.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You all went on mission trips together. You were seeking to serve God, obey God, and trust God for Him to use you. In the midst of all this, you\u2019re in a church. Did you tell anyone?\u00a0 Did you let anybody within your community \/ your spiritual community into the interior of your lives?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>We didn\u2019t because\u2014well, my husband wanted to, but I told him I wasn\u2019t ready. My heart was wrapped up in frustration, but also, embarrassment and insecurity. I thought everyone else\u2019s lives looked perfect. Everybody else has a happy face and has love. You can see it\u2014husbands and wives are holding hands and are building their families. Here, my husband and I are three-and-a-half years into our marriage, and suffering. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And what would you say to a husband, who has a wife\u2014and it may not be this issue\u2014but it\u2019s another issue that they\u2019ve got in the marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe wants to pursue some transparency with another couple in the church\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014and she\u2019s saying: \u201cNo, no, no, no. Don\u2019t tell anybody.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>I, first, would say pray for your wife and pray that God would change her heart because having those transparent relationships is what changed our marriage. I would also encourage him to keep inviting and keep asking her\u2014pursue that in her. Just provide the times and ask her, \u201cDo you want to go talk to So-and-so?\u201d because it was my husband\u2019s pursuit of that that eventually led me to talk to someone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What I hear you saying to a husband: \u201cDon\u2019t go past your wife. Don\u2019t run past her and just force her to go do something. Instead, be patient; <em>but<\/em> pursue her. Don\u2019t let her off the hook so easily,\u201d because transparency in these situations will <em>release<\/em> a ton of pressure off the relationship. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Yes. And then, to the wife: \u201cAllow your husband to pursue you like that and allow him to lead your family.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You start your book\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and you\u2019ve already shared a little bit with us about this\u2014Sunday morning at church, three-and-a-half years in, where in your mind, \u201cThis just is not going to work out.\u201d\u00a0 You were ready to end it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Yes, I was ready to have that conversation. It was scary, and it was terrifying; but I remember just thinking: \u201cThere is no other way. There\u2019s no hope here,\u201d\u2014like, \u201cThis is not happening.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019ve got to stop you there. Why take that route\u2014the route of divorce\u2014when you hadn\u2019t tried the route of community and transparency with friends who love you?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>I think the enemy is very good at spreading lies, and whispering in your ears, and <em>convincing<\/em> you to believe those lies. I believed isolation. I believed that divorce would have helped both of us because: \u201cThen, we can start our lives over again\u2014maybe, with someone that it would work.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOnce you start believing those lies, it\u2019s like a snowball effect. I never had thought that divorce was a route that I would want to go\u2014especially because I experienced, with my parents\u2019 divorce, how devastating that is to a family. I\u2019d always say: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cDivorce: That is not a route \/ that\u2019s not an option.\u201d\u00a0 But once you get there\u2014and you\u2019re hopeless and your heart is so broken\u2014that is an option that you start to contemplate. Once you start thinking about it and dwelling on it, it becomes real. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Is the only reason you wanted out, at this point, because this issue of intimacy looked like it wasn\u2019t going to go away; and it had put a wedge between the two of you?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>It was the intimacy issue. Then, everything else was amplified because of that. We weren\u2019t communicating to each other. We were frustrated with one another. It came out in our attitudes. The love seemed to dissipate. Now, it was just two roommates operating off of: \u201cWell, this is what we think we\u2019re supposed to do. We need to go to church, and we need to go to our jobs. We need to do this, day in and day out.\u201d\u00a0 And we were just living\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But other than that, you are kind of in isolation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He\u2019s doing his thing \/ you\u2019re doing your thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, she\u2019s\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And a lot of couples get there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes, they do. She admitted it earlier that she had shared how she\u2019d wondered if she had made a mistake and didn\u2019t really share it with her husband for a year-and-a-half. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat type of\u2014well, lack of transparency \/ lack of communication\u2014neither of you knew what was going on in one another\u2019s hearts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, at that point, you\u2019ve got two individual people locked up, totally isolated from each other. It really is\u2014you mentioned it earlier\u2014there is an enemy of a marriage that honors God \/ that seeks to honor God in all that it does. That enemy wants to divide you, and he wants to isolate you. In isolation, he can convince you of anything. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat happened as a result of thinking about divorce in the church that day?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Well, it got stopped. Instead of me having that conversation with my husband about divorce, he ended up crying after the service. I said, \u201cWhat\u2019s wrong?\u201d\u00a0 He goes, \u201cI need to talk to someone.\u201d\u00a0 So, we went to a couple who we knew in the church. He just started talking about his feelings about our relationship. It was the first time I had ever heard him open up as emotionally as he was that day about our relationship\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014the anger, the frustration, the \u201cI can\u2019t handle this.\u201d\u00a0 He went from me seeing him as a patient man, and as someone who is enduring, to \u201cHe\u2019s actually really broken.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs he was sharing with us, he said, \u201cI couldn\u2019t listen to the sermon because I felt like God was just sharing with me the story of Jesus in the Garden, praying right before He was going to be arrested.\u201d\u00a0 In Matthew, it talks about Jesus calling out to God and praying three different times, \u201cLord, let this cup pass from Me; and let Your will be done.\u201d\u00a0 So, even though Jesus knew He was going to the cross\u2014and He knew what He was going to endure was going to be so excruciating\u2014yet, He said, \u201cGod, I\u2019m handing this over to You; and if this is Your will, let it be done.\u201d\u00a0 That was God\u2019s will for Him that He would have to endure that much pain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAaron is crying as he\u2019s talking about this. He looks over at me; and he says: \u201cI committed marriage to you. I said, \u2018Yes.\u2019\u00a0 I said, \u2018I do.\u2019\u00a0 And I\u2019m supposed to love you like Christ. I\u2019m supposed to sacrifice my life for you. So, instead of being angry that we can\u2019t have a fulfilling marriage, I\u2019m going to love you through it, no matter what.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt just melted my heart. It reminded me of the purpose of marriage\u2014that it was a reflection of what Jesus did,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>\u2014and it\u2019s a testimony of what He did. So, it\u2019s okay to be imperfect. It\u2019s okay to go through hardship. It\u2019s okay to go through really frustrating\u2014and sometimes, you don\u2019t understand some of the things you go through in marriage\u2014but that\u2019s okay because, if you remain committed to one another and choose to love each other through it, you are actually reflecting what Christ did on the cross. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He was, at one level, renewing His vow to you in that moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Totally; yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This time, knowing what he was saying\u2014like he didn\u2019t understand it the first time. The first time he\u2019s figuring the honeymoon is just hours away and, \u201cWe\u2019re going to have a great time.\u201d\u00a0 Now, three-and-a-half years in, he\u2019s saying, \u201cI know what this could be,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cand I\u2019m in it.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cand I\u2019m in it.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>And I think that\u2019s important for all couples to hear right now\u2014no matter what you\u2019re going through\u2014if it\u2019s only been six months after the wedding or years, I think it\u2019s important to make that renewal and to make it a daily thing: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cThis is a covenant. This is a commitment that I\u2019ve made. It\u2019s not just based on feelings, or infatuation, or selfishness. There is another person involved, and God cares about your marriage.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And that kind of love creates safety; doesn\u2019t it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Oh, totally. I felt more secure than ever in that moment to open up and share what we were going through with others. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And so, did you, right there?\u00a0 Did you tell this other couple what was going on in your marriage?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Yes. Actually, in that moment, we talked a little bit more about some of the things that we were experiencing\u2014some of the things Aaron brought up\u2014and we prayed together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, over the course of\u2014I think it was two years\u2014God just transformed our relationship. It was because of that transparency that came from feeling secure enough to open up and talk about it\u2014that was huge for my heart. I felt like I was able to let <em>so<\/em> <em>much<\/em> go\u2014and just release every emotion that I\u2019ve had, every thought that I\u2019ve had, and every insecurity that I\u2019ve had. Just being able to talk about it gave clarity to my heart and to what marriage actually is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and somewhere along the line, here, somebody pointed you guys to a <em>Weekend to Remember <\/em>marriage getaway; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Yes. Actually, we\u2019ve had the opportunity to go to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> just right in the midst of God working in our lives and working in our hearts to reconcile our marriage. That was an incredible experience because we got to talk about things that weren\u2019t brought up yet. At the very end, they had a vow renewal. I remember just holding his hands, looking up at him, and said, \u201cThis is just what we needed.\u201d\u00a0 It was really affirming to the love and the way that we were going. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I don\u2019t want to sound like a typical male here, Jennifer\u2014because it\u2019d be really easy, right now, to ask you, \u201cSo, Jennifer, how long did it take for you to fix it?\u201d\u00a0 But I am curious because I do think a lot of couples, from the outside, peer into a relationship like yours\u2014a journey that has gone through some hard times\u2014and they think: \u201cIt\u2019s going to be a snap of the fingers, and it\u2019s done. It\u2019s finished \/ it\u2019s over. The problem is gone.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat was the process that God took you through to ultimately bring some healing and where you could have intercourse together without pain?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>So, after that moment at the church\u2014where Aaron shared his heart with me and I got to share a little bit of my heart with him\u2014it was about three weeks later that the Lord gave Aaron a revelation about how the environment might be affecting my body. He took my face wash, and he looked through all the ingredients. One of them was parabens. Parabens are known as an endocrine disruptor\u2014they mimic estrogen. I think that, maybe, my body was really sensitive to it; but we took those out. Within a week, we had pain-free intimacy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Within a week?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Within a week. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Zero pain?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Zero pain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, I just have to ask you, \u201cWhat was that like?\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Incredible!\u00a0 I was like, \u201cThis is our honeymoon!\u201d This was\u2014it was just prolonged a little bit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s not like your intimacy was the whole issue in your marriage; but when that got worked out, it paved the way for lots of other things to get worked out; didn\u2019t it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Absolutely. I think, looking back on it, God had a reason why it was physical intimacy that was our struggle. God used it to refine us and to draw out sins that we were struggling with and to make us more like Him\u2014to transform us. Then, once He brought us through that, He gave us the blessing of being healed in my body so that we could be physically intimate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd for people listening\u2014I just want to encourage them to \u201cHand your heart over to God and to trust Him, even if you are in the midst of a hardship, because He can use it to transform you. He can use it to bring out those things that He needs to touch and that He needs to refine in you.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019ve been married over eight years now. Any times you begin to engage in intimacy with your husband where you are <em>afraid<\/em> once again?\u00a0 I mean, four years is a <em>long<\/em> time. That\u2019s over half the length of time you\u2019ve been married. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Yes. Even though that first time\u2014a week after getting rid of the parabens\u2014worked, I had a struggle through a lot of mental obstacles to be able to be physically intimate with my husband because those anticipations and apprehensions had built up over those four years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere were a lot of just mental hurdles that I had to get through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, for physical intimacy for women, the mind plays a huge role in your body relaxing and being able to do that. I still struggled with the fear of pain, and that did keep me from pursuing my husband quite often; but it was also something that God was working out in me. There are times that I do have those fears; but the more that we are intimate, the more those fears lessen. So, it\u2019s like, \u201cAre you feeding the \/ am I going to feed the fear, or am I going to feed the good thing that we want to take place in?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You know, most of us read a book like this and we think, \u201cThere is\u2014that is just a very small fraction of the population that would have any kind of experience like that.\u201d\u00a0 Yet, as you\u2019ve already admitted, you weren\u2019t being open and honest about it. So, you have to wonder, \u201cHow many people are suffering silently?\u201d\u00a0 As you\u2019ve shared your story, what are you hearing from people?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>The biggest thing that I hear through sharing my story, online, is: \u201cI feel like I\u2019m not alone. You\u2019re saying exactly what\u2019s in my heart.\u201d\u00a0 And I love that response because it reinstates the purpose God\u2019s given me in sharing my story because, just like you said, I was suffering in silence. I think there are a lot of women out there that are suffering and not willing to talk about the hard issues. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And have you talked to other women, who were experiencing pain\u2014and for them, it was something other than parabens \/ it was some other phenomena\u2014but there was a turning point for them. Are you finding out other things that can cause this for women?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>There are several things that can cause it like vaginismus and things like that; but when I get an email of a woman saying: \u201cHey, I read your book. I went ahead and got rid of parabens because we were struggling the same way that you were, and I\u2019m healed.\u201d\u00a0 I get incredibly <em>excited<\/em> because I know that God\u2019s doing something. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, three-and-a-half years into your marriage\u2014if I\u2019d come up to you, and we were just casual friends, and I said: \u201cSo, how\u2019s your marriage\u2014scale of 1to10?\u00a0 How are you guys doing?\u201d\u00a0 What number would you have given me?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>\u201cWe\u2019re a10!\u00a0 We\u2019re doing awesome. We\u2019re doing amazing.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You would have said it was a wonderful marriage?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Yes!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If I\u2019d really pried and you decided to get honest, what number would you have given it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>I would have said, \u201cZero.\u201d\u00a0 I would have wept. I would have asked you for help. I would have\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No, you wouldn\u2019t have asked for help because you hadn\u2019t come to that point. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You know, I hate to correct you here on the radio. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>You\u2019re right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You were locked up in isolation, which kept you from admitting where you were in your marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, here\u2019s the question I\u2019ve got for you, right now: \u201cEight years into your marriage, how you doing? Scale of 1 to 10, what\u2019s your\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Now, come on. Now, let\u2019s be honest. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>You want me to be honest?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>I would say we are at about a 7.5 \/ 8. I think with having children, it brings up a lot of other moments for refining. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>We\u2019re working on it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No! Children don\u2019t impact the intimacy \/ don\u2019t impact a marriage relationship. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Don\u2019t you want to turn around and ask Dennis how he is on a scale of 1to 10?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>I would love to ask Dennis that question. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And let me tell you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>I think the listeners want to know. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s empty-nest, and it\u2019s a 9.5 in the empty-nest. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI wouldn\u2019t want to go back and learn all the lessons we had to learn all over again. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Well, I just want to encourage you, as an empty-nester, there\u2019s a lot of people that have focused on the children so much that, when they become empty-nesters, they\u2019ve forgotten how to focus on each other. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes; that\u2019s exactly right. And what I want to challenge our listeners to do is: \u201cRestate your vows.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Yes\u2014daily. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>This is a great reminder: \u201cI would marry you all over again. I still do. I love you. I\u2019m committed to you. I thank God for you.\u201d\u00a0 Grab your spouse\u2019s hand and pray. I don\u2019t care if you are the wife or the husband\u2014just grab it, and pray, and say, \u201cGod, I thank You for my husband,\u201d \/ \u201cI thank You for my wife,\u201d because the only way we are going to address a culture of divorce is for those of us, who know Jesus Christ, to fulfill the most precious promise and pledge we ever make to another human being. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and I remember Dr. Jerry Kirk on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> saying, \u201cEvery time a couple come together and experience marital intimacy, they are restating their vows\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cto one another.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>They are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>I love that\u2014that\u2019s beautiful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And that\u2019s a great picture of how you can\u2014you could do that even today\u2014restate your vows that way, if you wanted to. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s a good idea!\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And let me\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>And if you are struggling in that area, go get help. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There you go!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And there is another opportunity for restating your vows that happens at the end of every <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway. It\u2019s a very meaningful time for a lot of couples because, again, Dennis\u2014for a lot of these couples who are re-pledging themselves to one another, they know the hard things that they\u2019ve been through\u2014and to say, \u201cI\u2019d do it all over again,\u201d in the midst of that is powerful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> gives you an island of clarity to get some tools and equipping to help you know how to turn your marriage license into a true marriage that can be a 7.5, an 8, a 9, a 9.5. Jennifer\u2019s book, <em>The Unveiled Wife<\/em>\u2014I want to encourage you to get a copy of that, too, because I think it will help a lot of wives and husbands better understand where they are, what they are going through, and how they can get out of the ditch.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd Jennifer\u2014I want to say: \u201cThanks for writing this, for your blog ministry, and for all you\u2019re doing for marriages and families. Tell Aaron he was a good sport to be on the broadcast with us earlier.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jennifer: <\/strong>Thank you so much for having me, and thank you for letting him join in on that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, thank you again for your transparency here; and thank you for the transparency in your book, <em>The Unveiled Wife<\/em>. We\u2019ve got copies of the book at FamilyLifeToday.com. I want to encourage listeners\u2014get a copy of this book. Go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and order online; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY and order by phone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd, of course, the FamilyLife <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway that we were just talking about\u2014this week, when you sign up to attend an upcoming getaway, you pay for yourself, and your spouse comes free. Not only is it a great getaway, but this is the best opportunity you\u2019ll have to sign up all year long. And the offer is good this week and next week only. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com and register for an upcoming <em>Weekend to Remember <\/em>marriage getaway; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014register over the phone. We\u2019d love to see you join us at a getaway in February, or March, or April, May, June. Come be a part of a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>. Get away, as a couple, for some refreshment, some relaxation, and for a better understanding of God\u2019s design for your marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, throughout 2016, you\u2019re going to hear us talking a lot about anniversaries. The reason is because, this year, we celebrate 40 years as a ministry. That\u2019s a milestone for us. Honestly, there are a lot of anniversaries we care more about than our own; and those are the anniversaries that <em>you<\/em> are celebrating this year\u2014<em>your<\/em> anniversary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, a shout-out today to Michael and Jami Goransky, who are <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners, who live in Trenton, South Carolina, and listen on WAFJ radio. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Goranskys, today, celebrate four years together as husband and wife. They\u2019ve already attended two <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> getaways. Way to go, guys!\u00a0 Congratulations on your anniversary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is anniversaries, like <em>yours<\/em>, that are what matter, here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Our goal is to provide practical biblical help and hope for your marriage and your family. We want to see every home \/ every marriage be a godly marriage and a godly home. And we\u2019re grateful for those of you who make all of this possible through your support of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, we\u2019d love to acknowledge <em>your<\/em> anniversary this year. Go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com. Let us know your anniversary date. Maybe, we can give you a shout-out. I know we\u2019ve got some creative ideas for how this anniversary celebration this year could be the best one ever. Sign up when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com and give us your anniversary date. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, you can also make a donation, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call to make a donation at 1-800-FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you can mail your donation to us at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to hear from Dr. Gary Chapman, who has some thoughts on how husbands and wives, who are very different, can find joy in their differences rather than just being irritated with one another. We\u2019ll hear from Dr. Chapman tomorrow. Hope you can be here for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2016 FamilyLife. 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