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Afraid of being seen as abnormal in the culture, many of us heed the cultural norms rather than following Christ.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2016-01-06.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When your worldview clashes with the worldview of your friends, or family members, or coworkers, Russell Moore says, \u201cHow we engage at that moment is as important as what we say.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Russell: <\/strong>Sometimes, you are going to find yourself dealing with someone, where you can\u2019t avoid that issue that is going to seem to be the hardest issue at the time. The question is: \u201cWhat is your end goal?\u00a0 Is your end goal to get to that issue, and to be right on that issue, and to separate out the good people from the bad people on that issue?\u00a0 Or is your end goal to see to it that person repents and comes to an understanding of Christ?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, January 6<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. In the midst of a cultural collision of values, it\u2019s important that we keep the main thing the main thing. We\u2019ll talk more about that today. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We are adding a new voice to the conversation we\u2019ve been having this week. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We are. We\u2019ve been talking to Larry Osborne, a pastor in Southern California\u2014a little church of 11, 000 people in Vista, California. Larry, welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry: <\/strong>Great to be with you again. Thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019ve written a book called <em>Thriving in Babylon: Why Hope, Humility, and Wisdom Matter in a Godless Culture<\/em>. And joining Larry is our good friend, Russell Moore. Welcome back, Russell. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>Great to be with you. Thanks for having me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He and his wife Maria have five sons; and Russell gives leadership to the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention. And I\u2019ve introduced you so many times\u2014and it\u2019s such a mouthful. When are you going to change the name of the ERLC?\u00a0 <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>Yes, we\u2019re trying to change it to FamilyLife, but we\u2019re having some legal issues. [Laughter]\u00a0 Just give us time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He\u2019s written a book called <em>Onward<\/em>\u2014subtitled <em>Engaging the Culture without Losing the Gospel<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd Russell, I\u2019m going to begin with you. You start your book with a story of a relationship you had with an atheist\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014who ended up in an interesting spot. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>Well, I was in college, and we\u2019d been having conversations about the existence of God and about the gospel. And one day, we were having coffee, and he said, \u201cCan you recommend a good Southern Baptist church for me to join, but one that\u2019s not too Southern Baptist-y?\u201d\u00a0 And so, my immediate thought was, \u201cWhen did he become a Christian?\u201d\u00a0 So, I\u2019m trying to think through, \u201cI wonder what I said that\u201d\u2014you know how you do\u2014\u201cfinally led him to conviction?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said: \u201cWait! When did you become a Christian?\u201d\u00a0 He said, \u201cOh, I don\u2019t believe any of that stuff.\u201d\u00a0 He said: \u201cBut I want to run for office one day. I\u2019m never going to be elected to anything in the state of Mississippi if I\u2019m not a member of a church, and there are more Southern Baptist churches than anything else around here. So, find me one that\u2019s not going to freak me out, but that I can join.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought about that ever since\u201420 years since\u2014because I think there are a <em>lot<\/em> of people in American life who were in that situation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe, they didn\u2019t think it through the way he did; but in order to get what they wanted in American life, they needed to be, at least, nominally affiliated with the church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Maybe, not in politics\u2014maybe, for business purposes,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>For business, for\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014status in the community\u2014much like a country club. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>Yes, finding a spouse; you know\u2014the whole gamut there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Larry, I think this conversation brings up one of the things that may be helpful about where we are in modern culture. This may be a very clarifying day for beginning to identify who really is a follower of Jesus and who\u2019s just been kind of paddling for a while and they are not really all that interested in following Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry: <\/strong>Absolutely. The downside of cultural Christianity is you get inoculated, and what inoculation is\u2014is they give you just enough of the disease that you never get the real disease. And I have seen that, in our culture, over the years that I have been a pastor\u2014that there are plenty of people who identify with Christianity out of its values\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but when push comes to shove\u2014are not genuine Jesus followers now that it\u2019s acceptable to say, \u201cWell, I\u2019m none,\u201d\u2014N-O-N-E. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, there has been a lot of angst over the fact that there is this growing number in surveys of people who identify as \u201cnothing.\u201d\u00a0 And I remember the first time I saw it\u2014it seems quite a while ago\u2014grabbing my staff and saying: \u201cThis is wonderful because people are now being honest. Instead of saying, \u2018I\u2019m a Christian,\u2019 when it comes to \u2018What box?\u2019 they are saying, \u2018I\u2019m nothing.\u2019 Now, I can talk to you about Jesus because, when you check, \u2018Christian,\u2019 you think: \u2018Well, I am a Christian. I go to church every Christmas, Easter, or most of them; and I really don\u2019t have much to learn.\u2019\u201d\u00a0 So, I think it\u2019s a <em>great<\/em> opportunity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I do too. I became a true follower of Christ\u2014I\u2019m talking about a surrendered Christ-follower on a mission\u2014His Great Commission\u2014when I was a junior in college and had the privilege of rubbing shoulders with Tom Skinner who, at the time, was a chaplain for the Washington Redskins. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe signed a book to me after I spent a week with him, running him all over campus as he spoke and gave messages at the University of Arkansas. He said\u2014he wrote in the front of the book\u2014he said: \u201cTo Dennis: Remember, Jesus Christ didn\u2019t come to take sides. He came to take over.\u201d\u00a0 I\u2019d like both of you guys to comment on that statement. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>Well, I think that\u2019s exactly right. I think that\u2019s one of the things that all of us have the temptation to do. I think what he\u2019s pointing out in that statement is: \u201cWhere am I?\u201d and \u201cLet me find the Jesus who is going to help me to do that better and do it more.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s kind of the ultimate trump card to use in an argument, and that\u2019s not what the Kingdom of God does\u2014the Kingdom of God tears us to bits and recreates us.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what we see going on <em>now<\/em> in the culture\u2014is we\u2019re kind of moving from a Nicodemus type of culture \/ remember how Nicodemus\u2014he went to talk to Jesus, but he was fearful because he didn\u2019t want to lose his place in the community\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that opposed to\u2014that\u2019s John 3 \/ John 4\u2014Jesus encounters the woman at the well who doesn\u2019t even know the questions to ask. Jesus gets right at the issue with her. She was an outcast. She was kind of distant from the people of God, but she was able to see how strange and radical what Jesus is saying really is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I think there are many people who don\u2019t follow Jesus because they are fearful of losing their place in the cultural order around them. They are afraid of being something other than normal. And for a long time, we\u2019ve said, \u201cChristianity can help you be a normal American,\u201d\u2014not anymore because, even the most basic affirmations of Christianity are now contested, which means Christianity has no choice but to be strange. I think that\u2019s good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry: <\/strong>When we put upon our children a list of rules, if you will, or values that we impose on them without bringing them to Jesus, we set them up for the problem that you are talking about because they can\u2019t understand the difference. So, at the end of the day, they become more in love with Christian values, if you will, than Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd there is always this mixture, politically. If you go in some Christian environments, it\u2019ll go to the right \/ if you go to other Christian environments, it\u2019ll shift to the left; but there is this overlap of things that seem to have a Christian basis, but frankly, they are <em>not<\/em> really founded in the Bible. So, when our bias goes toward the basis, the next thing we know is we are more committed to those who articulate those values than those who follow our Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have noted for a long time that it seems to me people are more likely to marry outside of their faith than they are outside of their political persuasion. Wow!\u00a0 What has happened?\u2014where Jesus is no longer the King? Instead: \u201cWell, I lean to the right\u2026\u201d or \u201cI lean to the left. That\u2019s really the organizing principle of my life, and now, I fit Jesus into it.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, my political views are, all of a sudden, the most important thing about my life\u2014more important than what I think about Jesus. If that\u2019s how you are building your marriage \/ if that\u2019s how you\u2019re building your family\u2014that is shifting sand \/ that\u2019s not firm soil. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry: <\/strong>If we\u2019re not careful, that\u2019s what we unintentionally end up teaching our children because we talk about good guys \/ bad guys, right\/left. They pick up a lens of values instead of the lens of Jesus\u2014which is why, so often, it\u2019s not until a young teenager or a young adult goes on a mission trip that their eyes are even opened to the idea of the body of Christ is broader than the world they were brought up in. So, we really need to focus: \u201cIt\u2019s about <em>Jesus<\/em>; and then, everything else flows out of that.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Russell, you are raising five sons. Undoubtedly, there are some interesting conversations at your house\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014because you\u2019ve been interviewed by the <em>Wall Street Journal<\/em> \/ by one of the major networks, <em>Fox News. <\/em>You get a chance to come home and kind of debrief with Maria. If you\u2019re not careful, you could be communicating an \u201cus\u201d and \u201cthem\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>Sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014approach to your sons. You\u2019re training them to know how to handle controversy and how to deal with people who don\u2019t agree with you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>Well, one day, that actually happened in the neighborhood. I came home, and Maria told me that our nine-year-old was out debating same-sex marriage with the kids in the neighborhood. I said, \u201cWell, how in the world does he know how to debate same-sex marriage?\u201d\u00a0 She said, \u201cWell, honey, he watches you on TV.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry: <\/strong>\u201cWho is his daddy?\u201d Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>\u201cThat\u2019s what he\u2019s doing.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 So, I never really had thought about the fact\u2014when I\u2019m talking about issues on television, I\u2019m kind of giving cues to my nine-year-old as to what to say in the neighborhood. But really, that\u2019s what we are doing all the time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe way I\u2019ve tried to handle it is to\u2014when I\u2019m talking to our kids\u2014to tell them why the people who disagree with me disagree with me and to give the most charitable reading of that that\u2019s possible because their natural response: \u201cAnybody who disagrees with my dad\u2026\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>\u2014you know, at this age\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Sure; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell:<\/strong> \u201cAnybody who disagrees with my dad is a bad guy \/ is an evil person.\u201d\u00a0 So, I have to come in and say: \u201cNo, the reason why this person thinks this is because he believes this, and this, and this, and so forth.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cThis is why we don\u2019t believe that; but that doesn\u2019t mean he\u2019s crazy, and that doesn\u2019t mean he\u2019s stupid.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>And the reason that we have to do that is because it\u2019s easy to tell your kids: \u201cThese people are <em>nuts<\/em>. These people are just evil.\u201d\u00a0 Then, when they grow up and they actually meet somebody who holds those views and they don\u2019t meet the caricature that you\u2019ve set up for them, then, they are going to say: \u201cWait a minute!\u00a0 My dad didn\u2019t really know this situation.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut if you are really holding to what the Christian gospel tells us\u2014is that: \u201cThere is a way that seems right to a man, and the end thereof is death, [Proverbs 14:12]\u201d\u2014so, people aren\u2019t super villains, down in a lair, plotting. Every person has got a way in which he or she believes that the path they are going makes them the good guy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Larry, you\u2019re nodding your head as you hear Russell say that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry: <\/strong>Oh, I couldn\u2019t agree more with what Russell is saying because I\u2019ve seen it over and over in families. That statement\u2014\u201cYou don\u2019t understand\u2014these are nice people,\u201d\u2014has been said over, and over, and over, and over again in cases where there was demonizing of people who disagreed with us rather than a disagreement.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd one of the most powerful things a parent can teach a child is biblical tolerance, which is\u2014today, the word, tolerance, now, means: \u201cEverybody is right,\u201d which is garbage\u2014but biblical tolerance means: \u201cEverybody has the right to be wrong. They are not fools \/ they are not demons\u2014they are <em>wrong<\/em>. Let\u2019s love these people.\u201d\u00a0 Then, they are not shocked when they find out: \u201cVery nice people have very wrong viewpoints.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>It\u2019s also important, I think, to use the best arguments that other people use because they are either going to be introduced to the best arguments by you or they\u2019re going to be introduced to the best arguments by the people making those arguments. You know, it\u2019s easy to come in and say, \u201cOh, well, here is why Darwinism is wrong,\u201d or \u201cHere is why feminism is wrong,\u201d\u2014and you\u2019re just giving sound bites\u2014but to give the best arguments they use and say, \u201cHere\u2019s how we look at that, as a Christian.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s what prepares them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And give those best arguments as if you are on their side of the table. So, you\u2019ve gotten around and said, \u201cOkay,\u201d and you can understand why this might seem reasonable to these folks <em>rather<\/em> than saying: \u201cYou see\u2014they are polluted. They\u2019re this \/ they\u2019re that.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEverybody has seen that bumper sticker that says, \u201cCoexist,\u201d that\u2019s got all the different religious symbols to spell out coexist. Well, I saw one this week\u2014and it had the same religious symbols\u2014but it said, \u201cContradiction.\u201d\u00a0 I thought, \u201cThere\u2019s truth in both of those.\u201d\u00a0 If coexist means everything is equally true, then, that\u2019s wrong. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We should be coexisting with our Muslim friends \/ with our Jewish friends; but we can\u2019t say, \u201cAnd coexistence means we all have equal validity to our religious views,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s the contradiction. That\u2019s what you\u2019re saying about the difference between tolerance and acceptance. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I want to go back to what Larry just said and have you unpack it. You said that truly biblical tolerance says that everyone has the right to be wrong. Now, there are some listeners, who kind of sat up at that point and went, \u201cWell, that means there is something right.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what that statement is based on; isn\u2019t it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Unpack that for the listener. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry: <\/strong>Well, there is absolute truth; and you can\u2019t have two opposing things both being right. But at the end of the day, that truth is presented with grace, and kindness, and respect <em>or<\/em> that truth is presented in a way that: \u201cAnybody who thinks \/ anybody who has any morals will see it my way.\u201d Again, when we do that, we\u2019re teaching intolerance to our children that is different than the world\u2019s definition. It\u2019s an intolerance that closes down our ability to have impact because we just immediately look at somebody, and we write them off. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI wanted my kids to grow up tolerant, in the sense of knowing: \u201cIt\u2019s okay to be wrong. We\u2019re going to love you and try to bring light into darkness.\u201d\u00a0 That definition is too often just left behind. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I want both of you men to speak to something that I see happening within\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014well, frankly, among Christian leaders, among pastors, leaders of organizations\u2014and it\u2019s this: \u201cSomehow, if we don\u2019t take a public stand or if we don\u2019t speak forth the truth of Scripture and what it says about a certain issue, then, it\u2019ll give us a greater opportunity to present the gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYour book, <em>Onward<\/em>, is about engaging the culture without <em>losing<\/em> the gospel\u2014so, we don\u2019t want to <em>lose<\/em> the gospel while taking a stand for something, Russell. Comment on the Christian leader who feels like he\u2019s got to hide his beliefs in order to gain a hearing for the gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>Well, I think that\u2019s counterproductive, and the reason it\u2019s counterproductive is\u2014number one\u2014because if you\u2019re calling people to repentance, you have to define what you are calling them to repentance from. And if you are calling people to mercy\u2014if what you are talking about isn\u2019t involved in sin or rebelling against God\u2014then, there is no need for mercy. Gospel means unpacking and defining those things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe can\u2019t be faithful to that if we don\u2019t speak in those terms. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the other problem is\u2014it loses the respect of the people that we are talking to. So, if people get from us that we are too fearful of them to be honest with them about what we believe, they\u2019re not going to listen to us about what we have to say about how to be resurrected from the dead and be reconciled to God. But we do that in a way that sees the end goal as being reconciliation, not just winning the argument and not just getting people in line with behavior. That means starting with the gospel \/ ending with the gospel and patiently enduring with people all the way through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And not clubbing people with a truth, or something you believe over here, and just pummeling them, trying to get them to agree with you\u2014when the real issue is: \u201cWe are trying to get to the gospel\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cand their response to who Jesus Christ is.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>And we understand how people change. People don\u2019t change because they are overwhelmed with arguments, and people don\u2019t change because they\u2019re encountered with somebody who has more power than they have. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey change when they encounter Jesus of Nazareth speaking their name and shining the light into the darkness. That happens through the open proclamation of the truth \/ that takes courage\u2014it, also, happens through the kindness of God\u2014so, we put both of those two things together all the time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, let me make a real life illustration here, pastor. You are at the bank, and the loan officer is taking down your information. He says, \u201cWhat\u2019s your occupation?\u201d\u00a0 You say: \u201cI\u2019m a pastor. I\u2019m a pastor at North Coast Church.\u201d\u00a0 He says: \u201cHuh?\u00a0 So, I guess you\u2019re anti-gay rights and anti-abortion; right?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry: <\/strong>Yes\u2014I would just say: \u201cI don\u2019t identify myself as being anti-anything. I define myself as being pro-Jesus. I would love to sit down sometime and actually walk you through the Bible so you can see what it says. People have all kinds of misconceptions.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause there is wisdom, I\u2019m not saying everything. We know, \u201cThe fool loves to air his opinions,\u201d\u2014Solomon says in the Book of Proverbs\u2014and there is a time to listen. There is a time to hold back information, which is very different than not preaching the full gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, there are situations, where I go: \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 This isn\u2019t the time to present it.\u201d But if there is ever anything I sublimate and hold back and say, \u201cOh, I don\u2019t want anybody to know that,\u201d then, I\u2019ve completely left the gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI like to go back to\u2014our call is to speak the truth with love. If I speak truth without love, that\u2019s brutality; and no one is persuaded. If I have love without truth, there\u2019s a sentimentality there that never can lead to change. You have to have both sides of the coin\u2014a loving, kind, gracious truth\u2014but it doesn\u2019t mean I have to lead with the hardest truth; you know?\u00a0 Jesus didn\u2019t seem to walk up into situations and say, \u201cLet\u2019s find the hardest thing I can say.\u201d\u00a0 But my goodness, did he say a lot of hard things?!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, let me jump you ahead three months. That loan officer is now in the new members\u2019 class, and he\u2019s learning all about North Coast. He says: \u201cWell\u2014wait a sec. So, you guys wouldn\u2019t do a same-sex marriage here?!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s the point where you\u2019d say, \u201cNo, we don\u2019t do that.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Larry: <\/strong>Absolutely. Or I\u2019d do it, actually, in a text. As a pastor, what happens is\u2014I don\u2019t teach on some of these issues as much as someone wants because they\u2019re getting their text out of the newspaper and saying, \u201cGive me a Bible verse.\u201d\u00a0 But when you teach through the Bible, you\u2019re going to hit all those things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd here is what I\u2019ve found\u2014we reach lots of people who have absolutely <em>zero<\/em> Christian background because of post-Christian Southern California. They are interested in what the Bible has to say when it\u2019s in a biblical context. They\u2019re <em>defensive<\/em> when I say, \u201cLet\u2019s go after\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u2026\u201d\u2014and then fill in the blank with the latest group that we\u2019re attacking. I\u2019ve never had a negative response teaching through the Bible. I\u2019ve had a negative response when it\u2019s topically presented\u2014as if: \u201cThis is the subject and the group we are going after today.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Russell: <\/strong>I think a lot of that depends on who you\u2019re talking to and what their issue is. I think Jesus often does lead with the hardest truth when He\u2019s identifying the fact that there is something that someone is wanting to protect from the gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe comes into the synagogue in Nazareth\u2014goes right at the issue of outsiders. He\u2019s dealing with the woman at the well\u2014goes right at her sexual immorality. He\u2019s dealing with the rich young ruler\u2014He goes right at his idolatry of possessions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, sometimes, you\u2019re going to find yourself dealing with someone, where you can\u2019t avoid that issue that is going to seem to be the hardest issue at the time. The question is: \u201cWhat is your end goal?\u00a0 Is your end goal to get to that issue and to be right on that issue and to separate out the good people from the bad people on that issue; or is your end goal to see to it that person repents and comes to an understanding of Christ?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, also understand, we are living in a time when people, when they are looking at Christianity\u2014we have a culture that is obsessed with sex. They think the church is obsessed with sex. The culture is obsessed with sex; and many of them are wanting to know: \u201cWait a minute!\u00a0 Before I hear about Jesus, is Jesus going to interfere with my sexual attitudes or activities?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt that point, I think we have to say, \u201cYes, <em>but<\/em> what you need to know is He\u2019s going to interfere with even more than <em>that<\/em>.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201ceverything else.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No doubt. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No doubt about it. We have a conference called the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em>. We\u2019ve had close to three million people go through it and our other live conferences. We had to choose where we started the conference. I think, today, it\u2019s an interesting era in which we are alive\u2014where those between the ages of 18 and 35\u201474 percent of them believe same-sex marriage is okay. Well, our conference begins in Genesis. It begins where God created them male and female. We don\u2019t really talk about same-sex marriage \/ we don\u2019t talk about homosexuality. At the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>, we just talk about what the Bible says about how God made them to reflect His image. It was the first institution on the planet He created. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, as a result, we\u2019ve had some people, I think, who weren\u2019t sure what they believed come. In the process of hearing the Bible taught and walking through a biblical approach to marriage and family, end up coming to faith in the Savior. That\u2019s why there are a couple thousand people, each year, who come to saving faith in Jesus Christ <em>at<\/em> the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, here is the point, I think, all of you are making: \u201cWe\u2019ve got to be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves as we approach the culture we are living in. We\u2019ve got to be shrewd. We\u2019ve got to be intentional. We\u2019ve got to have a strategy in place. Yet, at the same time, we\u2019ve got to be characterized by gentleness, by love, by peace.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBoth of you have spoken on how we do this in books that you\u2019ve written. Larry Osborne has written a book called <em>Thriving in Babylon<\/em>; and Russell Moore\u2014you\u2019ve written a book called <em>Onward: Engaging the Culture without Losing the Gospel<\/em>. We\u2019ve got both of these books in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I\u2019ve been mentioning this week\u2014I think either of these books or both of them together would be great for small groups at church to go through \/ or if you get together with other guys or other ladies to go through a book\u2014a book club kind of situation\u2014these are important topics to be talking about. Go online at FamilyLifeToday.com to order your copy of <em>Thriving in Babylon<\/em> by Larry Osborne or <em>Onward<\/em> by Russell Moore. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call if you\u2019d like to order either or both books. 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number\u20141-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, one of the things that is encouraging about starting a new year is when you can start with some fresh wind in your sails. We had that happen recently, here at the end of 2015. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had a number of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners who got in touch with us and said: \u201cWe really do believe in what you guys are doing and what you\u2019re talking about. Your program is helping us, and we believe it\u2019s important that these kinds of conversations are being had each day.\u201d You showed your support by making a yearend contribution to FamilyLife. We are still tallying things up and determining whether we were actually able to meet our matching gift or not; but I just want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who contributed toward that in 2015 and let you know how encouraged we were to hear from so many of you at the end of the year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, the need continues, month in and month out. So, \u201cThanks,\u201d to our Legacy Partners for your ongoing monthly support. Anytime, you\u2019d like to make a donation, it\u2019s easy to do\u2014go to FamilyLifeToday.com and make your donation online; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate over the phone. And of course, you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, Russell Moore is going to be back with us. I know Larry Osborne is not able to be here with us again tomorrow. Larry\u2014thank you for being a part of the conversation this week. We\u2019ll continue to talk about how we engage the culture and hang on to the gospel on tomorrow\u2019s program. Hope you can be here for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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