{"id":303786,"date":"2015-12-17T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-12-17T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/walking-through-the-valley\/"},"modified":"2015-12-17T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2015-12-17T17:00:00","slug":"walking-through-the-valley","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/walking-through-the-valley\/","title":{"rendered":"Walking Through the Valley"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Pastor Tommy Nelson talks about his battle with depression, recalling the very moment when his depression engulfed him and the anxiety and physical pain that followed. 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Here is what it was like for Pastor Tommy Nelson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>You lose count of the hours of the day\u2014you\u2019re not conscious of the hours of the day. You're not conscious of the days of the week. You are going from moment to moment in stress, and in pain, and in anxiety, and in depression. And your fear is it will never end, and you\u2019re going to die like this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, December 17<sup>th<\/sup>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Today, Tommy Nelson takes us with him on his journey through the \u201cvalley of the shadow.\u201d\u00a0 Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Skip James singing <em>Sick Bed Blues<\/em>]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. It was our engineer, Keith, who found that Skip James\u2019 blues song. Keith loves the blues\u2014he sings the blues every day when he comes to work. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>All kidding aside, there are a lot of folks who, when you come to the holidays, they get blue. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt reminds them of\u2014perhaps, what they don\u2019t have or what they have lost, or maybe, some circumstances they are facing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u00a0Yes. There is a difference between somebody going through a time of sadness \/ a momentary feeling blue for a day and somebody experiencing real depression. In fact, that is what we are going to look at today as we continue listening to a conversation we had\u2014this was several years back\u2014we talked with Tommy and Teresa Nelson \/ he\u2019s a pastor in Denton, Texas\u2014talked about an extended period of depression that they had gone through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut before we continue the conversation with the Nelsons, we wanted to give our listeners an update. I know a lot of listeners have been tuning in this month. They know there is a matching gift that\u2019s been made available to us, here at FamilyLife. We still have about half the month in front of us, and we\u2019re still trying to take advantage of this $2 million matching-gift opportunity. This is a critical time of year for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And we\u2019ve got a good bit of the match we need to make up. So, we need listeners to say: \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 I\u2019d like to be a part of this ministry. I\u2019d like to make a difference in another person\u2019s life.\u201d\u00a0 I don\u2019t think our listeners realize, really, the breadth of what <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is all about\u2014just some of the groups of people we ministry to or we feature, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, and give voice to. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of them is the orphan. We talk a lot about championing the cause of adoption, foster care, the orphan\u2014and encourage parents, in the process, to follow God\u2019s will, obviously\u2014but also to give voice to those who have none. <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> has been doing that for over a dozen years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnother group of people that we champion and we also minister to\u2014it\u2019s kind of been a surprise to us as well\u2014are prisoners. We\u2019ve got a number of prisoners\u2014over 3,000 prisoners\u2014who have been through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA lot of them listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014they get help \/ they get hope. You don\u2019t imagine somebody being in a prison can have an impact on their family, but they can. They have relationships with their kids \/ with their spouses. They need help \/ they need hope that their marriage and family can go the distance. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, there is another group that we minister to\u2014and this is a growing group as well\u2014this is homeless men and women all across the country. Our video series, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, has been used to call homeless men to get a job, to reconcile with families, to lead their families, and to take responsibility to be the man God made them to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd all this month, we are challenging people to give so these ministries are possible. I can just tell you, as a listener, one of my favorite gifts that I\u2019ve ever received, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, was from a homeless woman, who listened to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> every day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhere she found a radio \/ where she found the ability to listen, I have no idea; but she sent in a buck\u2014one dollar\u2014because <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> was helping her, as a single-parent mom with a child, living out in the elements, without a home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want you to know\u2014when you give, as a listener, you\u2019re making this ministry on this radio station and on hundreds of other radio stations, across the country and around the world, possible to impact people in lots of different circumstances. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>I mentioned the matching-gift opportunity. When you give this month, your donation is matched with a double donation from a group of people who have agreed that they will match each donation, given in December, up to a total of $2 million. What I mean by a double donation is\u2014if you give $100, they give $200. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re trying to take full advantage of that between now and the end of the year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe need to hear from you. You can donate online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 Let us know that you want to be a part of what God is doing through the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And if you\u2019re listening, online, I\u2019d just challenge you to help us keep this coming to you through the web. It takes manpower \/ it takes technology\u2014we need your help. So, if you\u2019ve enjoyed this broadcast\u2014you\u2019ve been working out \/ you and your wife listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014maybe, it\u2019s time. Maybe, it\u2019s time for you to step up and become a hero to another listener and make a difference in their lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com to make an online donation; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet\u2019s dive into the conversation that we had, awhile back, with Tommy and Teresa Nelson. As I mentioned, Tommy\u2019s the pastor at Denton Bible Church in Denton, Texas, just north of Dallas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe\u2019s a conference speaker and is pastor at a large thriving church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have already heard this week about how Tommy was preparing to teach through the book of Romans for a video series he was about to produce. It was a week or two before they were set to film the series that he sank into a depression and became, essentially, non-functional. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis, you asked Tommy and Teresa about whether the family members had picked up on the clues about what was coming or what was happening in Tommy\u2019s life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previously Recorded Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Did any of your children pick up on it as\u2014they're adults?\u00a0 I mean, they had to be watching their dad. Did they say anything to you, maybe, secretly, or did they confront their dad at any point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>No, I don\u2019t think so. There were times, I think, though, they\u2019d go: \u201cWow! He sure is gone a lot,\u201d or\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cSure is busy,\u201d\u2014yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cSure is busy,\u201d or \u201cWhy don\u2019t we go do this or that?\u201d\u2014or different things like that. But, no\u2014but it was very shocking to them when this did happen. It was like: \u201cDo something, Mother!\u00a0 What\u2019s wrong with Dad?\u00a0 Do something!\u201d\u00a0 I was like, \u201cI don't know what to do!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>What did John say?\u2014\u201cSomebody <em>help<\/em> him!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>\u201cSomebody help him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u201cSomebody help him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>\u2014our youngest son.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Because I was the iron man, and so\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>But that was after he was already really going down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>When I went down, my sons\u2014it kind of scared them. They had never seen their father\u2014and it wasn\u2019t like I was an emotional basket case. I was a non-emotional basket case. It\u2019s an emotionless waste; and so, I couldn\u2019t\u2014you just can\u2019t relate. I couldn\u2019t sit in a chair for over 40 seconds\/30 seconds. My legs were so firing with adrenaline that I had to get up and walk continually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0This kind of\u2014I don\u2019t want to say it came on you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Yes\u2014it hit me.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014but there was a moment where it hit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I was a big tree, in retrospect, that was beginning to creak and fall. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt one moment, I was on a Sunday evening service, about this time of year. I\u2019m getting ready to do my favorite text in my favorite book, Song of Solomon, Chapter 7\u2014the romance chapter in the Song of Solomon\u2014it\u2019s my favorite text. Sitting in a glider, in the church lobby, getting ready to go up and preach \/ walk on up, after the singing in the evening service\u2014all the young guys are there. All of a sudden, all of the energy went out of my body. My heart rate spiked, and my blood pressure was so great my whole body shook. I went and lay down on a couch, and it passed after about 15 minutes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey thought it might have been\u2014maybe, I\u2019d jogged that day and worked in the garden a little bit\u2014and maybe dehydration. But slowly after that, insomnia set in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019ve got to ask you\u2014you\u2019re the pastor at Denton Bible Church \/ you\u2019ve been exegeting the Word for 35 years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Yes\u2014and I could quote you all the verses on anxiety you want.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes\u2014\u201cBe anxious for nothing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I knew them all. I\u2019d quote the chapters they were in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cprayer and supplication.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>You betcha.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, when you start to feel this anxiety and when you start to feel like, \u201cI\u2019m ready to end it all,\u201d doesn\u2019t your understanding of the Word kick in and counsel your soul?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Well, all you can do: \u201cWhen my anxious thoughts multiply within me, Thy consolations delight my soul.\u201d\u00a0 But that doesn\u2019t help you\u2014that keeps you from doing anything crazy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s not like you\u2019re worried. There is no external reason why this is happening. You have to just stand back and trust in the sovereignty of God in the bare blade and the bare Word of God to take you through this\u2014because your body doesn\u2019t care that you\u2019re quoting Scripture\u2014because you're hurting.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>But that's a different kind of anxiety even\u2014to say, \u201cBe anxious for nothing,\u201d\u2014that means, \u201cDon\u2019t be worrying about something\u201d; but it wasn\u2019t a worry\u2014it was a <em>panic<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>There wasn\u2019t a <em>something<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>\u2014as far as anxiety. It was not a \u201cI\u2019m worried about something,\u201d or something like that\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but it was like, \u201cI think I can\u2019t swallow,\u201d\u2014I mean, that was one of the panic things he had\u2014or \u201cI\u2019ve got to get home now. I need to be home.\u201d\u00a0 So, it was more panic on, \u201cMy body is malfunctioning, and I don\u2019t know what to do about it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>You can\u2019t really even\u2014a doctor\u2014unless a doctor has been through it\u2014I don\u2019t care if it\u2019s Ben Casey [TV show doctor]. Do you think anybody knows who I just said?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I doubt it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Oh, yes, forget it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There\u2019s a few in this\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Dr. Kildare [TV show doctor].\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>That doesn\u2019t help either.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That doesn\u2019t help\u2014no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Unless a doctor has been through it, a doctor, a lot of times, doesn\u2019t understand. Well, I just forget it because we\u2019ll touch on it later. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, speaking of diagnosing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014I mean, the Christian community, when it comes to depression, really falls into two camps it seems\u2014and a lot of things in between\u2014but there is the camp, over here, that believes that depression should be treatable <em>only<\/em> with Scripture and that anybody that would be in the other camp \/\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\/ that would treat depression, as a disease, with medication is not spiritual.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Well, since I\u2019ve shared on this, Dennis, I have calls from all over the country, all the time, from\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m sure you do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>\u2014everybody. I\u2019m the lightning rod\u2014saying, \u201cWhat should I do?\u201d\u00a0 What I tell them\u2014and, realize, I\u2019m talking as a guy on the Dallas Seminary Board, an evangelical pastor\u2014I\u2019m a fundies-in-their-undies guy\u2014but I tell them, \u201cYou need to be careful of evangelical Christians,\u201d because\u2014and I <em>am<\/em> <em>one<\/em>\u2014but evangelical Christians will go medieval on you real quick that you have\u2014that this is a spiritual problem\u2014and you cannot take anything \/ any sort of medicine to help you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, these are the same guys on Lipitor<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Flomax<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and Cialis<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014alright?\u2014three times a week. But they\u2019re going to tell you, \u201cYou can\u2019t take anything.\u201d\u00a0 Can we put that on?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, I think so. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I got the thumbs up from your boy in there. He says\u2014no, but these are the same guys that take everything.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat they don\u2019t realize is there are reasons\u2014social, emotional, and sometimes, they are moral reasons\u2014that bring on the stress \/ to get you to that place of stress. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut whenever you talk about depression, you\u2019re dodging the bullet if you don\u2019t talk about medicine because this is where Christians will polarize. I\u2019m telling you\u2014I had to cut back 70 percent of what I was doing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHowever\u2014you\u2019ll enjoy this\u2014now, I went to\u2014I\u2019d never been to a counselor ever in my life. I went and sat down with an elder of one of the Bible churches in Dallas\u2014he had been through it himself. He looked at me; and he said, \u201cThis must be strange\u2014you sitting here?\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cIt is. I\u2019m always on the other side of the table.\u201d He talked to me about him going through it, and it just helped me to know that a sane guy had gone through it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say to him, \u201cIf I get through this\u201d and he would say, \u201c<em>When<\/em>.\u201d\u00a0 And that was like a big light to me. I\u2019d say, \u201cIf I can get through this\u201d; and he\u2019d say, \u201c<em>When<\/em>\u2014 you\u2019re going to get through this\u2014your body is going to repair itself, but you\u2019re going to have to do some things.\u201d\u00a0 And he sent me to a psychiatrist. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll be real honest\u2014I felt like Saul going to the witch of Endor; alright?\u00a0 I knew that, when I walked in the office, that the spirit of Jonathan Edwards was going to rise up through the floor and say, \u201cYou're going to be here with me tomorrow.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He\u2019s going to get you; huh? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>And this was a Christian guy. I shared with him what I had. He said, \u201cSure.\u201d\u00a0 He said: \u201cThis is what you\u2019ve got\u2014is right here. Whenever it gets intense and that anxiety gets intense,\u201d\u2014he said\u2014\u201cyour serotonin is gone. You\u2019re going to need some help.\u201d\u00a0 And he said: \u201cTake this. It\u2019s a replacement for serotonin. It\u2019s not a long-term help; but it will take the edge off of that.\u201d\u00a0 Sure enough, it started giving me back the ability to relate to people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, he said, \u201cYou need a serotonin reuptake inhibitor.\u201d\u00a0 And what I\u2019m saying, Dennis and Bob\u2014it\u2019s\u2014this is <em>me<\/em> and what I went through. The whole deal about a psychiatrist is\u2014a lot of times, they have to take the individual. So, what he told me may not be what they would tell somebody else.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>So, I don\u2019t want somebody emulating what I did because you may have to have somebody who knows more tell you; but he said: \u201cYou need an SRI, a serotonin reuptake inhibitor. Your body is not using its own serotonin. That\u2019s what the stress has done, and what you are experiencing is the side effect that is called anxiety and depression. And this, right here\u201d\u2014and it was about as big as an aspirin \/ a small aspirin\u2014\u201ctake this.\u201d\u00a0 And he said, \u201cIt won't do anything for a month because it\u2019s not doing anything. It\u2019s allowing your body not to cannibalize its own serotonin, and you\u2019re going to start <em>using<\/em> your own natural stuff.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, about three weeks later, I\u2019m just sitting around. All of a sudden, I was looking at Teresa, and I said\u2014I just stopped, and I froze. I didn\u2019t want to tip whatever it was the wrong way\u2014and I said, \u201cI'm me.\u201d\u00a0 She said, \u201cWhat do you mean?\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cI\u2019m telling you\u2014I\u2019m me.\u201d For just a second, it was all gone; and I was happy. It wasn\u2019t like I was sedated\u2014I was me again. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was in about\u2014I started them at August. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, at the end of August, I got to feeling better. September, I got to where I could jog. I couldn\u2019t run\u2014and I run four miles a day\u2014I couldn\u2019t run \/ I couldn\u2019t walk 20 minutes. I got to where I could run again\u2014I started getting my energy back. I got to where I enjoyed reading again. I got to where Teresa and I could\u2014we got to where we could take a little vacation and go up to Colorado again. Then, by October, I could preach again; but I had to cut out 70 percent of what I was doing. When I would preach, I\u2019d have to go home and take a nap. November, I could sleep on my own.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m so glad God did that to me because a lot of my ministry was out of sheer effort; but a lot of the real joy, I don\u2019t think, was there. There was a joy at accomplishment but not just a joy in resting. So, whenever I go through trials now and struggles now over the last six months, to be honest, it\u2019s like they're almost trivial. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me tell you this\u2014if you don\u2019t have a wife or if a wife doesn\u2019t have a husband that is there with you, the counselor I went to said, \u201cSometimes, there will be 25 to 50 percent of the people that go through this lose their marriages,\u201d because the mate can\u2019t understand it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>They just want to say, \u201cWhy don\u2019t you just quit doing this?\u201d unless you have an empathetic mate that will sit there with you\u2014like Job\u2019s buddies when they started off\u2014and just sit there with you. Teresa would just sit there with me, and she put her life on hold because, when you go through a depression or something, your mate goes through it. They can\u2019t walk away. She stayed right there with me. So, it gave me a depth of appreciation of Teresa because she got sounded out to the depth of her vow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI used to look at her and say: \u201cHoney, you never signed on for this. This wasn\u2019t part of the deal,\u201d\u2014we, then, think\u2014but she said, \u201cWhen I said, \u2018For better for worse\u2026\u2019 this is one of the worse times, and I\u2019m here with you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. I want to talk more about that commitment that you two had, as you went through this dark time; but I also want to highlight your commitment to the Scripture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t want to minimize the medication issue,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014but a part of what kept you alive was your hope that was kept alive by your knowledge of the Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I don\u2019t think medication would help you near what it could without faith\u2014and turning from whatever it was that got you in that\u2014you wouldn\u2019t have made it. Dennis, you just cling and lay under the shield of faith when you\u2019re too weak to move it; and that\u2019s what I had to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, I might take that just a step further and say: \u201cIf you didn\u2019t know Christ \/ if you didn't know the Scriptures,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Oh, I can\u2019t imagine.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cyou\u2019d still be on heavy doses of a lot of medication\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Can\u2019t imagine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cbecause that\u2019s\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What would be your hope?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What would be your hope?\u00a0 I mean, what would be your hope?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>And Christians are right, in that sense, that you can\u2019t treat depression <em>simply<\/em> as: \u201cTake this medication.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes, that can get you out of it; but unless you can deal with the front end of what moved you there\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014because, a lot of times, it is moral. A lot of times people get themselves in depression because they have got such stress from foolish, stupid, immoral actions; and all the medication in the world isn\u2019t going to help you\u2014I don\u2019t think\u2014when you keep repeating that stuff. Something has got to change at the front end for a medicine to help you on the back side.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a matter of fact, the Book of Job\u2014God burdened me, before all of this started, to read the Book of Job. I don\u2019t know why; but as I started reading, it was almost like a voice that said, \u201cYou better take notes because you\u2019re about to go through this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI wouldn\u2019t trade this last year for anything. I don\u2019t want to repeat it, but I wouldn\u2019t trade it for anything. I was able to list, a few days ago, 15 wonderful things that have come out of this year. I wouldn\u2019t trade it\u2014it\u2019s the worst and the best year of my life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>In Job 10\u2014I just happen to have my Bible open here to Job 10: \u201cI loathe my life. I will give full vent to my complaint. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI will speak in the bitterness of my soul. I will say to God, \u2018Do not condemn me. Let me know why Thou dost contend with me.\u2019\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Michael Card singing <em>Job Suite<\/em>]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, you read a passage like that or you hear it put to music as Michael Card did there, you almost have to go to the end of Job, where Job, after pouring out his lament before God, comes\u2014and it is as if God says, \u201c\u2019Alright, are you finished?\u00a0 Is that it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201c\u2018Now, I have some questions I want to ask you.\u2019\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Michael Card singing <em>Job Suite<\/em>]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you know, I think the point we want to make sure listeners get here is that the Bible speaks to these issues. It talks about our mental, and our physical, and our emotional health. We need to see a doctor when there is stuff like this going on with us. We need to get input from a physician, but we ought not ignore what the Scriptures say about these issues. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRecently, we had the opportunity to sit down with a physician, Dr. Charles Hodges, who has written a book on the subject of depression called <em>Good Mood Bad Mood<\/em>. And he explained that there is a difference between feeling profoundly sad for something that\u2019s happened in your life and clinical depression or bipolar disorder. It was good to have the conversation. In fact, he\u2019s written a book called <em>Good Mood Bad Mood: Help and Hope for Depression and Bipolar Disorder<\/em>. This may be something you want to read or that you may want to pass on to someone you know\u2014someone in your family who may have been diagnosed with depression. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>We\u2019ve got copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife<\/em> <em>Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can go online at FamilyLifeToday.com to request your copy; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the title of the book is <em>Good Mood Bad Mood: Help and Hope for Depression and Bipolar Disorder<\/em>. The toll-free number to call is 1-800-FL-TODAY if you\u2019d like to order by phone; or order online at FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd quickly, let me ask you to pray for us. Between now and the end of the year, we are hoping to hear from as many listeners as possible to take full advantage of the matching-gift challenge that Dennis mentioned earlier in today\u2019s program. When you make a donation in support of this ministry\u2014between now and the end of the year\u2014we have some friends who have agreed to, not just match your donation, but to make a donation of their own that is double the donation you made. So, if you make a $50 donation, they\u2019ll make $100 donation; and FamilyLife will be able to take advantage of $150 of benefit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, they\u2019ve put a cap on that of $2 million. We\u2019re hoping to take full advantage of that matching-gift opportunity. Would you pray for us?\u00a0 Would you consider making a yearend contribution?\u00a0 You can do that online at FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014it\u2019s very easy to do. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014donate over the phone. You can also mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; our zip code is 72223.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd thanks, in advance, for whatever you are able to do\u2014and again, please pray for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I hope you can join us back tomorrow. We\u2019re going to talk with Tommy and Teresa Nelson about what happened when the fog began to lift and when the season of depression began to change. We\u2019ll hear about that tomorrow. Hope you can be here for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<sup>\u00a9<\/sup>Song:\u00a0 <em>Sick Bed Blues<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tArtist:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Skip James\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlbum: <em>Hard Time Killing Floor Blues<\/em>, (p) 2008 Shout! Factory\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<sup>\u00a9<\/sup>Song:\u00a0 <em>Job Suite<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tArtist:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Michael Card\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlbum: <em>The Way of Wisdom<\/em>, (p)1990 Sparrow Records\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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And your fear is it will never end, and you\u2019re going to die like this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, December 17<sup>th<\/sup>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Today, Tommy Nelson takes us with him on his journey through the \u201cvalley of the shadow.\u201d\u00a0 Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Skip James singing <em>Sick Bed Blues<\/em>]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. It was our engineer, Keith, who found that Skip James\u2019 blues song. Keith loves the blues\u2014he sings the blues every day when he comes to work. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>All kidding aside, there are a lot of folks who, when you come to the holidays, they get blue. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt reminds them of\u2014perhaps, what they don\u2019t have or what they have lost, or maybe, some circumstances they are facing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u00a0Yes. There is a difference between somebody going through a time of sadness \/ a momentary feeling blue for a day and somebody experiencing real depression. In fact, that is what we are going to look at today as we continue listening to a conversation we had\u2014this was several years back\u2014we talked with Tommy and Teresa Nelson \/ he\u2019s a pastor in Denton, Texas\u2014talked about an extended period of depression that they had gone through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut before we continue the conversation with the Nelsons, we wanted to give our listeners an update. I know a lot of listeners have been tuning in this month. They know there is a matching gift that\u2019s been made available to us, here at FamilyLife. We still have about half the month in front of us, and we\u2019re still trying to take advantage of this $2 million matching-gift opportunity. This is a critical time of year for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And we\u2019ve got a good bit of the match we need to make up. So, we need listeners to say: \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 I\u2019d like to be a part of this ministry. I\u2019d like to make a difference in another person\u2019s life.\u201d\u00a0 I don\u2019t think our listeners realize, really, the breadth of what <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is all about\u2014just some of the groups of people we ministry to or we feature, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, and give voice to. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of them is the orphan. We talk a lot about championing the cause of adoption, foster care, the orphan\u2014and encourage parents, in the process, to follow God\u2019s will, obviously\u2014but also to give voice to those who have none. <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> has been doing that for over a dozen years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnother group of people that we champion and we also minister to\u2014it\u2019s kind of been a surprise to us as well\u2014are prisoners. We\u2019ve got a number of prisoners\u2014over 3,000 prisoners\u2014who have been through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA lot of them listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014they get help \/ they get hope. You don\u2019t imagine somebody being in a prison can have an impact on their family, but they can. They have relationships with their kids \/ with their spouses. They need help \/ they need hope that their marriage and family can go the distance. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, there is another group that we minister to\u2014and this is a growing group as well\u2014this is homeless men and women all across the country. Our video series, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, has been used to call homeless men to get a job, to reconcile with families, to lead their families, and to take responsibility to be the man God made them to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd all this month, we are challenging people to give so these ministries are possible. I can just tell you, as a listener, one of my favorite gifts that I\u2019ve ever received, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, was from a homeless woman, who listened to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> every day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhere she found a radio \/ where she found the ability to listen, I have no idea; but she sent in a buck\u2014one dollar\u2014because <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> was helping her, as a single-parent mom with a child, living out in the elements, without a home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want you to know\u2014when you give, as a listener, you\u2019re making this ministry on this radio station and on hundreds of other radio stations, across the country and around the world, possible to impact people in lots of different circumstances. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>I mentioned the matching-gift opportunity. When you give this month, your donation is matched with a double donation from a group of people who have agreed that they will match each donation, given in December, up to a total of $2 million. What I mean by a double donation is\u2014if you give $100, they give $200. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re trying to take full advantage of that between now and the end of the year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe need to hear from you. You can donate online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 Let us know that you want to be a part of what God is doing through the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And if you\u2019re listening, online, I\u2019d just challenge you to help us keep this coming to you through the web. It takes manpower \/ it takes technology\u2014we need your help. So, if you\u2019ve enjoyed this broadcast\u2014you\u2019ve been working out \/ you and your wife listening to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014maybe, it\u2019s time. Maybe, it\u2019s time for you to step up and become a hero to another listener and make a difference in their lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com to make an online donation; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet\u2019s dive into the conversation that we had, awhile back, with Tommy and Teresa Nelson. As I mentioned, Tommy\u2019s the pastor at Denton Bible Church in Denton, Texas, just north of Dallas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe\u2019s a conference speaker and is pastor at a large thriving church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have already heard this week about how Tommy was preparing to teach through the book of Romans for a video series he was about to produce. It was a week or two before they were set to film the series that he sank into a depression and became, essentially, non-functional. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis, you asked Tommy and Teresa about whether the family members had picked up on the clues about what was coming or what was happening in Tommy\u2019s life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previously Recorded Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Did any of your children pick up on it as\u2014they're adults?\u00a0 I mean, they had to be watching their dad. Did they say anything to you, maybe, secretly, or did they confront their dad at any point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>No, I don\u2019t think so. There were times, I think, though, they\u2019d go: \u201cWow! He sure is gone a lot,\u201d or\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cSure is busy,\u201d\u2014yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cSure is busy,\u201d or \u201cWhy don\u2019t we go do this or that?\u201d\u2014or different things like that. But, no\u2014but it was very shocking to them when this did happen. It was like: \u201cDo something, Mother!\u00a0 What\u2019s wrong with Dad?\u00a0 Do something!\u201d\u00a0 I was like, \u201cI don't know what to do!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>What did John say?\u2014\u201cSomebody <em>help<\/em> him!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>\u201cSomebody help him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u201cSomebody help him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>\u2014our youngest son.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Because I was the iron man, and so\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>But that was after he was already really going down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>When I went down, my sons\u2014it kind of scared them. They had never seen their father\u2014and it wasn\u2019t like I was an emotional basket case. I was a non-emotional basket case. It\u2019s an emotionless waste; and so, I couldn\u2019t\u2014you just can\u2019t relate. I couldn\u2019t sit in a chair for over 40 seconds\/30 seconds. My legs were so firing with adrenaline that I had to get up and walk continually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0This kind of\u2014I don\u2019t want to say it came on you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Yes\u2014it hit me.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014but there was a moment where it hit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I was a big tree, in retrospect, that was beginning to creak and fall. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt one moment, I was on a Sunday evening service, about this time of year. I\u2019m getting ready to do my favorite text in my favorite book, Song of Solomon, Chapter 7\u2014the romance chapter in the Song of Solomon\u2014it\u2019s my favorite text. Sitting in a glider, in the church lobby, getting ready to go up and preach \/ walk on up, after the singing in the evening service\u2014all the young guys are there. All of a sudden, all of the energy went out of my body. My heart rate spiked, and my blood pressure was so great my whole body shook. I went and lay down on a couch, and it passed after about 15 minutes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey thought it might have been\u2014maybe, I\u2019d jogged that day and worked in the garden a little bit\u2014and maybe dehydration. But slowly after that, insomnia set in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019ve got to ask you\u2014you\u2019re the pastor at Denton Bible Church \/ you\u2019ve been exegeting the Word for 35 years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Yes\u2014and I could quote you all the verses on anxiety you want.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes\u2014\u201cBe anxious for nothing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I knew them all. I\u2019d quote the chapters they were in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cprayer and supplication.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>You betcha.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, when you start to feel this anxiety and when you start to feel like, \u201cI\u2019m ready to end it all,\u201d doesn\u2019t your understanding of the Word kick in and counsel your soul?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Well, all you can do: \u201cWhen my anxious thoughts multiply within me, Thy consolations delight my soul.\u201d\u00a0 But that doesn\u2019t help you\u2014that keeps you from doing anything crazy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s not like you\u2019re worried. There is no external reason why this is happening. You have to just stand back and trust in the sovereignty of God in the bare blade and the bare Word of God to take you through this\u2014because your body doesn\u2019t care that you\u2019re quoting Scripture\u2014because you're hurting.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>But that's a different kind of anxiety even\u2014to say, \u201cBe anxious for nothing,\u201d\u2014that means, \u201cDon\u2019t be worrying about something\u201d; but it wasn\u2019t a worry\u2014it was a <em>panic<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>There wasn\u2019t a <em>something<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>\u2014as far as anxiety. It was not a \u201cI\u2019m worried about something,\u201d or something like that\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but it was like, \u201cI think I can\u2019t swallow,\u201d\u2014I mean, that was one of the panic things he had\u2014or \u201cI\u2019ve got to get home now. I need to be home.\u201d\u00a0 So, it was more panic on, \u201cMy body is malfunctioning, and I don\u2019t know what to do about it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>You can\u2019t really even\u2014a doctor\u2014unless a doctor has been through it\u2014I don\u2019t care if it\u2019s Ben Casey [TV show doctor]. Do you think anybody knows who I just said?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I doubt it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Oh, yes, forget it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There\u2019s a few in this\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Dr. Kildare [TV show doctor].\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>That doesn\u2019t help either.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That doesn\u2019t help\u2014no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Unless a doctor has been through it, a doctor, a lot of times, doesn\u2019t understand. Well, I just forget it because we\u2019ll touch on it later. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, speaking of diagnosing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014I mean, the Christian community, when it comes to depression, really falls into two camps it seems\u2014and a lot of things in between\u2014but there is the camp, over here, that believes that depression should be treatable <em>only<\/em> with Scripture and that anybody that would be in the other camp \/\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\/ that would treat depression, as a disease, with medication is not spiritual.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Well, since I\u2019ve shared on this, Dennis, I have calls from all over the country, all the time, from\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m sure you do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>\u2014everybody. I\u2019m the lightning rod\u2014saying, \u201cWhat should I do?\u201d\u00a0 What I tell them\u2014and, realize, I\u2019m talking as a guy on the Dallas Seminary Board, an evangelical pastor\u2014I\u2019m a fundies-in-their-undies guy\u2014but I tell them, \u201cYou need to be careful of evangelical Christians,\u201d because\u2014and I <em>am<\/em> <em>one<\/em>\u2014but evangelical Christians will go medieval on you real quick that you have\u2014that this is a spiritual problem\u2014and you cannot take anything \/ any sort of medicine to help you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, these are the same guys on Lipitor<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Flomax<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and Cialis<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014alright?\u2014three times a week. But they\u2019re going to tell you, \u201cYou can\u2019t take anything.\u201d\u00a0 Can we put that on?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, I think so. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I got the thumbs up from your boy in there. He says\u2014no, but these are the same guys that take everything.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat they don\u2019t realize is there are reasons\u2014social, emotional, and sometimes, they are moral reasons\u2014that bring on the stress \/ to get you to that place of stress. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut whenever you talk about depression, you\u2019re dodging the bullet if you don\u2019t talk about medicine because this is where Christians will polarize. I\u2019m telling you\u2014I had to cut back 70 percent of what I was doing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHowever\u2014you\u2019ll enjoy this\u2014now, I went to\u2014I\u2019d never been to a counselor ever in my life. I went and sat down with an elder of one of the Bible churches in Dallas\u2014he had been through it himself. He looked at me; and he said, \u201cThis must be strange\u2014you sitting here?\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cIt is. I\u2019m always on the other side of the table.\u201d He talked to me about him going through it, and it just helped me to know that a sane guy had gone through it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say to him, \u201cIf I get through this\u201d and he would say, \u201c<em>When<\/em>.\u201d\u00a0 And that was like a big light to me. I\u2019d say, \u201cIf I can get through this\u201d; and he\u2019d say, \u201c<em>When<\/em>\u2014 you\u2019re going to get through this\u2014your body is going to repair itself, but you\u2019re going to have to do some things.\u201d\u00a0 And he sent me to a psychiatrist. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll be real honest\u2014I felt like Saul going to the witch of Endor; alright?\u00a0 I knew that, when I walked in the office, that the spirit of Jonathan Edwards was going to rise up through the floor and say, \u201cYou're going to be here with me tomorrow.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He\u2019s going to get you; huh? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>And this was a Christian guy. I shared with him what I had. He said, \u201cSure.\u201d\u00a0 He said: \u201cThis is what you\u2019ve got\u2014is right here. Whenever it gets intense and that anxiety gets intense,\u201d\u2014he said\u2014\u201cyour serotonin is gone. You\u2019re going to need some help.\u201d\u00a0 And he said: \u201cTake this. It\u2019s a replacement for serotonin. It\u2019s not a long-term help; but it will take the edge off of that.\u201d\u00a0 Sure enough, it started giving me back the ability to relate to people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, he said, \u201cYou need a serotonin reuptake inhibitor.\u201d\u00a0 And what I\u2019m saying, Dennis and Bob\u2014it\u2019s\u2014this is <em>me<\/em> and what I went through. The whole deal about a psychiatrist is\u2014a lot of times, they have to take the individual. So, what he told me may not be what they would tell somebody else.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>So, I don\u2019t want somebody emulating what I did because you may have to have somebody who knows more tell you; but he said: \u201cYou need an SRI, a serotonin reuptake inhibitor. Your body is not using its own serotonin. That\u2019s what the stress has done, and what you are experiencing is the side effect that is called anxiety and depression. And this, right here\u201d\u2014and it was about as big as an aspirin \/ a small aspirin\u2014\u201ctake this.\u201d\u00a0 And he said, \u201cIt won't do anything for a month because it\u2019s not doing anything. It\u2019s allowing your body not to cannibalize its own serotonin, and you\u2019re going to start <em>using<\/em> your own natural stuff.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, about three weeks later, I\u2019m just sitting around. All of a sudden, I was looking at Teresa, and I said\u2014I just stopped, and I froze. I didn\u2019t want to tip whatever it was the wrong way\u2014and I said, \u201cI'm me.\u201d\u00a0 She said, \u201cWhat do you mean?\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cI\u2019m telling you\u2014I\u2019m me.\u201d For just a second, it was all gone; and I was happy. It wasn\u2019t like I was sedated\u2014I was me again. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat was in about\u2014I started them at August. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, at the end of August, I got to feeling better. September, I got to where I could jog. I couldn\u2019t run\u2014and I run four miles a day\u2014I couldn\u2019t run \/ I couldn\u2019t walk 20 minutes. I got to where I could run again\u2014I started getting my energy back. I got to where I enjoyed reading again. I got to where Teresa and I could\u2014we got to where we could take a little vacation and go up to Colorado again. Then, by October, I could preach again; but I had to cut out 70 percent of what I was doing. When I would preach, I\u2019d have to go home and take a nap. November, I could sleep on my own.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m so glad God did that to me because a lot of my ministry was out of sheer effort; but a lot of the real joy, I don\u2019t think, was there. There was a joy at accomplishment but not just a joy in resting. So, whenever I go through trials now and struggles now over the last six months, to be honest, it\u2019s like they're almost trivial. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me tell you this\u2014if you don\u2019t have a wife or if a wife doesn\u2019t have a husband that is there with you, the counselor I went to said, \u201cSometimes, there will be 25 to 50 percent of the people that go through this lose their marriages,\u201d because the mate can\u2019t understand it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>They just want to say, \u201cWhy don\u2019t you just quit doing this?\u201d unless you have an empathetic mate that will sit there with you\u2014like Job\u2019s buddies when they started off\u2014and just sit there with you. Teresa would just sit there with me, and she put her life on hold because, when you go through a depression or something, your mate goes through it. They can\u2019t walk away. She stayed right there with me. So, it gave me a depth of appreciation of Teresa because she got sounded out to the depth of her vow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI used to look at her and say: \u201cHoney, you never signed on for this. This wasn\u2019t part of the deal,\u201d\u2014we, then, think\u2014but she said, \u201cWhen I said, \u2018For better for worse\u2026\u2019 this is one of the worse times, and I\u2019m here with you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. I want to talk more about that commitment that you two had, as you went through this dark time; but I also want to highlight your commitment to the Scripture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t want to minimize the medication issue,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014but a part of what kept you alive was your hope that was kept alive by your knowledge of the Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I don\u2019t think medication would help you near what it could without faith\u2014and turning from whatever it was that got you in that\u2014you wouldn\u2019t have made it. Dennis, you just cling and lay under the shield of faith when you\u2019re too weak to move it; and that\u2019s what I had to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, I might take that just a step further and say: \u201cIf you didn\u2019t know Christ \/ if you didn't know the Scriptures,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Oh, I can\u2019t imagine.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cyou\u2019d still be on heavy doses of a lot of medication\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Can\u2019t imagine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cbecause that\u2019s\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What would be your hope?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What would be your hope?\u00a0 I mean, what would be your hope?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>And Christians are right, in that sense, that you can\u2019t treat depression <em>simply<\/em> as: \u201cTake this medication.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes, that can get you out of it; but unless you can deal with the front end of what moved you there\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014because, a lot of times, it is moral. A lot of times people get themselves in depression because they have got such stress from foolish, stupid, immoral actions; and all the medication in the world isn\u2019t going to help you\u2014I don\u2019t think\u2014when you keep repeating that stuff. Something has got to change at the front end for a medicine to help you on the back side.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a matter of fact, the Book of Job\u2014God burdened me, before all of this started, to read the Book of Job. I don\u2019t know why; but as I started reading, it was almost like a voice that said, \u201cYou better take notes because you\u2019re about to go through this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI wouldn\u2019t trade this last year for anything. I don\u2019t want to repeat it, but I wouldn\u2019t trade it for anything. I was able to list, a few days ago, 15 wonderful things that have come out of this year. I wouldn\u2019t trade it\u2014it\u2019s the worst and the best year of my life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>In Job 10\u2014I just happen to have my Bible open here to Job 10: \u201cI loathe my life. I will give full vent to my complaint. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI will speak in the bitterness of my soul. I will say to God, \u2018Do not condemn me. Let me know why Thou dost contend with me.\u2019\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Michael Card singing <em>Job Suite<\/em>]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, you read a passage like that or you hear it put to music as Michael Card did there, you almost have to go to the end of Job, where Job, after pouring out his lament before God, comes\u2014and it is as if God says, \u201c\u2019Alright, are you finished?\u00a0 Is that it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201c\u2018Now, I have some questions I want to ask you.\u2019\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Michael Card singing <em>Job Suite<\/em>]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you know, I think the point we want to make sure listeners get here is that the Bible speaks to these issues. It talks about our mental, and our physical, and our emotional health. We need to see a doctor when there is stuff like this going on with us. We need to get input from a physician, but we ought not ignore what the Scriptures say about these issues. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRecently, we had the opportunity to sit down with a physician, Dr. Charles Hodges, who has written a book on the subject of depression called <em>Good Mood Bad Mood<\/em>. And he explained that there is a difference between feeling profoundly sad for something that\u2019s happened in your life and clinical depression or bipolar disorder. It was good to have the conversation. In fact, he\u2019s written a book called <em>Good Mood Bad Mood: Help and Hope for Depression and Bipolar Disorder<\/em>. This may be something you want to read or that you may want to pass on to someone you know\u2014someone in your family who may have been diagnosed with depression. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>We\u2019ve got copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife<\/em> <em>Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can go online at FamilyLifeToday.com to request your copy; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the title of the book is <em>Good Mood Bad Mood: Help and Hope for Depression and Bipolar Disorder<\/em>. The toll-free number to call is 1-800-FL-TODAY if you\u2019d like to order by phone; or order online at FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd quickly, let me ask you to pray for us. Between now and the end of the year, we are hoping to hear from as many listeners as possible to take full advantage of the matching-gift challenge that Dennis mentioned earlier in today\u2019s program. When you make a donation in support of this ministry\u2014between now and the end of the year\u2014we have some friends who have agreed to, not just match your donation, but to make a donation of their own that is double the donation you made. So, if you make a $50 donation, they\u2019ll make $100 donation; and FamilyLife will be able to take advantage of $150 of benefit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, they\u2019ve put a cap on that of $2 million. We\u2019re hoping to take full advantage of that matching-gift opportunity. Would you pray for us?\u00a0 Would you consider making a yearend contribution?\u00a0 You can do that online at FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014it\u2019s very easy to do. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014donate over the phone. You can also mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; our zip code is 72223.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd thanks, in advance, for whatever you are able to do\u2014and again, please pray for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I hope you can join us back tomorrow. We\u2019re going to talk with Tommy and Teresa Nelson about what happened when the fog began to lift and when the season of depression began to change. We\u2019ll hear about that tomorrow. Hope you can be here for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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