{"id":303784,"date":"2015-12-16T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-12-16T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/falling-into-darkness\/"},"modified":"2015-12-16T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2015-12-16T17:00:00","slug":"falling-into-darkness","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/falling-into-darkness\/","title":{"rendered":"Falling Into Darkness"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tommy Nelson, the pastor of Denton Bible Church in Denton, Texas, along with his wife, Teresa, talk about his recent bout with clinical depression that left him feeling numb and confused.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2015-12-16.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"22.76M","filesize_raw":"23860817","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2822,2873],"tags":[4009,5907,2877,5906,5908],"podcast_series":[7536],"cwp_profile":[9083],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-303784","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-growing-in-your-faith","category-mental-and-emotional-issues","tag-depression","tag-despair","tag-marriage","tag-physical-pain","tag-spouse-of-depressed-person","podcast_series-the-dark-hole-of-depression","cwp_profile-tommy-and-teresa-nelson","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/303784\/falling-into-darkness","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/303784\/falling-into-darkness","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"KOkVYOkv3m\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/falling-into-darkness\/\">Falling Into Darkness<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/falling-into-darkness\/embed\/#?secret=KOkVYOkv3m\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Falling Into Darkness&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"KOkVYOkv3m\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine.\u00a0 Tommy and Teresa Nelson join us today to talk about what happened the day the big draft horse went down. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Wednesday edition. We\u2019re going to talk about what happens when a\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014draft horse goes down. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. It can be\u2014this can be a tough season of the year for families, going through the Christmas season\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014there can be challenges that families face. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And the question is\u2014for a family: \u201cWho do you go to? What\u2019s your trusted source for counsel, advice, encouragement around the issues you face in your marriage and family?\u201d And I\u2019ve got to tell you, Bob, with our six kids\u2014and five of them with a bunch of growing families\u2014and they are in the midst of raising them in what is the most challenging day, I think, that has ever existed in our country. I just started listing down\u2014and these are why we do what we do: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to help men understand how to better love and lead their wives and family spiritually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to help dads interview their daughter\u2019s date\u2014[Laughter] \u2014that gets the guys nodding\u2014and how you can train your sons to know what to do when girls are aggressive, sexually. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to help women be all that God created them to be and know what it means to be a woman. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, when it comes to training your kids, I just jotted down some of the broadcasts we\u2019ve done recently, Bob: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tScreens and Teens\u2014no doubt about it \/ helping your child navigate social media and the traps that are on this little bitty screen\u2014they can be life altering. There are the sexual identity issues of manhood\/womanhood, homosexuality, same-sex marriage, transgender. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, there are all these issues coming at us. What we\u2019ve designed <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> to be and what we\u2019ve designed it to do\u2014is to give you the biblical perspective to anchor opinions and convictions, out of the Bible, to help you know how to just, not merely survive, but how to <em>thrive<\/em> and how to build your family to make a difference in this culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut to do that, we need a special group of people who are heroes. These are heroes that want to make a difference in other people\u2019s marriages and families\u2014they want to bring help and hope to other people\u2019s homes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s why, this month, we\u2019ve got a special invitation and a special challenge for people to give as they\u2019ve never given before. If there has ever been a time for you to give, as never before, it\u2019s today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and the month of December is a critical month for ministries like ours. In our case, more than a third of the revenue we need to operate the ministry comes in during the month of December\u2014or it doesn\u2019t come in\u2014and we have to recalibrate our year based on what happens in December. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve had some friends of the ministry, who have come along and said, \u201cWe want your December to be really strong this year.\u201d\u00a0 So, they have agreed that, if a radio listener will make a donation, they will match that donation two-to-one. You make a donation of $100 \/ they\u2019ll kick in $200; and we\u2019ll wind up with a total of $300 given to the ministry at that point. They\u2019ll do that up to $2 million. We\u2019re trying to take full advantage of this matching-gift opportunity. You can go online at FamilyLifeToday.com and make a donation; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEither way, your donation is going to qualify for this matching-gift opportunity; and you\u2019re going to help us take full advantage of the match. We do hope to hear from you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And here is what I want you to know, as a listener\u2014when you give, your generosity changes lives, it touches marriages, it corrects families. It, ultimately, has an impact for generations to come. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWill you stand with us as we stand alongside you and your marriage and family?\u00a0 Will you come help us change the world? I was challenged to do that, Bob, back in 1970, when I joined the staff of Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>: \u201cCome help change the world.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Do you know what?\u00a0 We\u2019re still trying to do it, and we want to invite you to become a hero and change the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, again, you can give online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a yearend contribution in support of this ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we want to dive into what we are going to hear today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had a conversation, a while back, with a pastor and his wife\u2014Tommy and Teresa Nelson. Tommy is the pastor at Denton Bible Church, just north of Dallas. He has served there faithfully for decades. He\u2019s a <em>great<\/em> Bible teacher. Yet, a number of years ago, he hit a bump in his ministry. He and Teresa came up and talked with us about what was, really, an emotional breakdown for Tommy. He was diagnosed, eventually, with clinical depression. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previously Recorded Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>If you had asked me what depression was\u2014I could not have told you. I have been 35 years, almost, in the ministry and have been through rough times \/ tough times; but if you'd asked me about depression, I would have said, \u201cWell, you need to go take a nap, memorize Scripture, and quit being depressed.\u201d And that's probably what 90-plus percent of all evangelical pastors in the\u2014what\u2014I\u2019m on the Dallas Seminary Board\u2014I know my stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve been through Dallas Seminary, but I didn\u2019t really know what people went through when they got hit with\u2014physically, going through a depression.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Teresa, you\u2019d watched Tommy in ministry for more than three decades; and you\u2019d been through a lot of things in your marriage and family. He shared some of those things, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Would you have ever described your husband as being someone who ever struggled with depression until this hit?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>No. I don\u2019t think he did struggle with depression until this hit; but I think, maybe, he had been kind of\u2014if you want to say\u2014revving up to it for a few years, just from stress; but it didn\u2019t show itself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>There was no reason for it\u2014overtly\u2014I mean, it wasn\u2019t like a sin, it wasn\u2019t like worry, and it wasn\u2019t like this or that. It was\u2014basically, Dennis, it was overwork. Depression comes from stress, and it can be stress at an event. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes, there are <em>huge<\/em> things that can happen to you; and then, other times, there\u2019s just stress that comes in the ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGuys in the ministry are the worst about it because we deal with struggles. Sometimes, if you deal with them over and over\u2014long, long, long, years and years\u2014and you never really take time off \/ but you just keep doing more, and more, and more\u2014at some point, your body is going to stop you and say: \u201cThat\u2019s all. We\u2019re not going to do that anymore.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think you\u2019ll take this in the right way\u2014but because you\u2019ve been on the broadcast a number of times\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and our ministry has partnered with you on a number of occasions, we\u2019ve followed\u2014both Bob and I\u2014have followed your ministry with great delight. We\u2019ve known of some of the things you\u2019ve done. The Bible study\u2014what\u2019s it called\u2014<em>Metro<\/em>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Yes, we did that for seven years\u20142,000 people in Bible study.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, just this massive Bible study, and then your discipleship group\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>The Young Guns\u2014yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You take the Young Guns and meet with them at six in the morning.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>\u2014four mornings a week \/ 500 hours of Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And leading a church\u2014how big is your church?\u00a0 How many people attending?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>There are about 3,500 people who show up on Sunday.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I have to tell you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Now, wait\u2014Song of Solomon conferences all around the country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Ten Song of Solomon conferences a year to about 2,000 people a pop.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>A little writing on the side.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>A little writing on the side.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>A little family on the side.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Yes, two grown sons \/ two grandkids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, there you go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I struggled with <em>elation<\/em> more than depression. I just <em>loved<\/em> what I was doing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, but I peered back in from a distance; and I go, \u201cSome guys are bionic, and they can just do it.\u201d\u00a0 And we were not judging you\u2014I\u2019ve got more in my own life that I can judge than to have time to go judge you\u2014but I just wondered, \u201cHow could you do it all?!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0How did you keep the pace up?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>How did you keep the pace up?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I did it because I <em>loved<\/em> it. I would run four miles a day \/ lift weights every day\u2014plus everything else I did just out of <em>pure<\/em> love\u2014I <em>loved<\/em> what I was doing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>How many hours a night did you sleep?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I would go\u2014I\u2019d go to bed\u2014I\u2019d <em>crash<\/em> at about 10\/10:30.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, I was always up at 5\u2014never would I sleep past 5. Usually, I\u2019d get up about 4 because I was excited about that day\u2014because at 6, I got to handle the Word with 40 top guys. And so, at 6, I would take off and teach until 7. Then, I would usually go and answer emails. Then, I would go work out; and then, I\u2019d come back and usually take a nap in the afternoon. Then, you know, get ready for a weekend conference and head off on a Friday\u2014do three times Friday night \/ three times Saturday morning. Come back\u2014four times on Sunday on preaching\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Whew!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>\u2014get up and go\u20146 a.m. I <em>loved<\/em> it just because\u2014just the idea of the gospel\u2014being expended for the gospel was wonderful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>And I was doing stuff at that Romans conference. I was in the middle of getting ready to video Romans; and I was just living for that when it hit me, sitting in a chair\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Are you going to stop me now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I want to stop you before you talk about the chair because I want to turn to Teresa. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara, in my life, has what I call \u201canchors.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd when I\u2019ve outrun my coverage\u2014pushed it past the margins\u2014she has this unmistakable way of throwing out anchors. They usually hit me in the head because it\u2019s got to get my attention. While this was all going on, did Teresa throw out anchors?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>Yes\u2014and looking back at it, I think that\u2019s why\u2014somebody said, \u201cWell, didn\u2019t you see it coming?\u201d\u00a0 And I\u2019d go: \u201cNot like it hit him but in his unwillingness to listen to what I was saying.\u201d That was different because Tommy always valued my opinion, or my counsel, or whatever; but he had\u2014I mean, it was like he had closed ears. I was saying: \u201cYou\u2019re doing too much. Don\u2019t take that. Why do you want to do it?\u201d\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYes, he would say, \u201cI <em>love<\/em> to do it\u201d; but I\u2019d say, \u201cIt\u2019s too much,\u201d\u2014and he wasn\u2019t listening. That\u2019s why I think he was already ramping up to what really happened to him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Do you remember these conversations she\u2019s talking about?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Oh, yes, I did. I walked\u2014I very rarely ever\u2014Teresa has <em>enormous<\/em> wisdom\u2014and I walked past a couple of things that she said. She was nice to me because she\u2019s a motivated\u2014I mean, Teresa burns on all cylinders \/ so we run the race together\u2014but in retrospect, she would never try to hold me back; but she was cautioning me. I just went ahead on. If I had listened to her, it probably wouldn't have hit me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Leading up to that moment in the chair, when Tommy realized he was in trouble, did you see signs that said: \u201cWhoa!\u00a0 Something is going on here\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Not just that he was busy\u2014but did you see things starting to come through?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>Yes, like anger\u2014I mean, not just all the time \/ but the little things making him angry. Maybe, irritated would be better\u2014that there was just irritation like\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and things that would come in to alter maybe his schedule or whatever\u2014those were kind of irritating. So, I did\u2014I began to see little things\u2014but until we were in the hospital and he started saying, \u201cI\u2019ve got\u201d\u2014well, we weren\u2019t in the hospital, but at the doctor's office, where he said, \u201cI have got to go to the hospital.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s when I knew something was not right with Tommy because it wasn\u2019t, \u201cI need to go to the hospital to\u2026\u201d\u2014you know, whatever. It was, \u201cI\u2019ve got to go there to sleep because I\u2019m not sleeping.\u201d\u00a0 And in my eyes, Tommy was sleeping. So, it was just like it was unreal to me that he was so\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014just wanted to go to the hospital to get well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>It\u2019s like your accelerator is hung.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>And it was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>And my accelerator was hung with the emergency brake on\u2014that\u2019s what the experience is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, you\u2019re looking at the tachometer\u2014you see the RPMs are way over there\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014but the wheels are slipping.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>You can\u2019t stop. You just\u2014you are intent\u2014it\u2019s like your body\u2014it\u2019s not like you\u2019ve got a mental problem\u2014with giving way to stuff. I mean, your body gets hung with an adrenaline mode and you just shutdown.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>We thought he had allergies, or sinus infections, or something\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Because I\u2019d get flu-like\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>\u2014because there was something flu-like going on with him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>\u2014my body would hurt. What it was\u2014was adrenaline.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>I saw panic in him or panic to get a medication that the doctor\u2014I mean, you know, to where it was causing conflict between us because I didn\u2019t recognize\u2014and there was no reason to recognize because I didn\u2019t know what it was \/ what was really going on with him\u2014but it was like a panic to get medication.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>And my body wouldn\u2019t behave. I was pushing it to do this stuff,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>Yes, he couldn\u2019t control\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>\u2014and my body was shutting down. Like a big tree, it was creaking and falling; and it wouldn\u2019t cooperate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>I saw he was totally out of control\u2014and not isolated\u2014but where he was so preoccupied.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Withdrawn.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>Yes\u2014and like\u2014because he was already thinking: \u201cWhat\u2019s wrong with me?\u00a0 What\u2019s wrong with me?\u201d\u2014like he couldn\u2019t hear \/ he couldn\u2019t relate. As it progressed, it got worse and worse to where he couldn\u2019t enjoy the kids, the grandkids, anybody.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>The thing was\u2014you don\u2019t really\u2014when something like that hits you\u2014in my case anyway\u2014there was really acute clinical\u2014where your body shuts down, and you don\u2019t know what it is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey tested me for diabetes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>\u2014tumors.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>They thought tumors. They thought stroke. They thought diabetes\u2014trying to find out what it is. All my blood comes back perfect. All the urinalysis\u2014it\u2019s perfect. All the MRIs \/ all the x-rays\u2014I\u2019m perfect. But I <em>know<\/em> something has happened to me, but you don't know what it is that it\u2019s produced. All I can say is\u2014and every guy that\u2019s been through this knows what I\u2019m talking about\u2014when I say, \u201cYour accelerator is hung.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe guy explained it to me\u2014because I had sat down with some specialists in it. They said\u2014and here is the layman\u2019s translation\u2014is that, when you go through intense stress, your body produces adrenaline. Just like when the jack slips and the car falls on somebody, you pick it up\u2014alright\u2014now, your adrenaline hits. You produce, they said, what is called cortisol from stress. That\u2019s okay here and there, here and there, here and there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A little shot of that\u2014right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>But the fellow said: \u201cWhen you do that continually \/ when you\u2019re always in that stress adrenaline mode, what happens is\u2014that cortisol shuts down the leading neurotransmitter in your body that\u2019s called serotonin that\u201d\u2014he said\u2014\u201cwas kind of like\u201d\u2014 and the specialist told me \/ he said, \u201c\u2014it\u2019s like oil to a car.\u201d Your central nervous system works on this. When it\u2019s depleted, what you experience is the phenomenon of depression and of anxiety\u2014they\u2019re the same coin \/ different sides\u2014and they come and go. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s when your body is stuck; and then, it shuts down into depression. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe scary thing is you don\u2019t know what it is. All you can do is start pulling back on the stuff, but your body won\u2019t respond immediately. It\u2019s not like you can stop on Friday and feel better Monday. You have to shut down, sometimes, for a year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSpurgeon had it, Luther had it, Alfred Lord Tennyson had it, Sir Isaac Newton had it, and Charlotte Bronte had it. It\u2019s just amazing the people that have had it. In the old days, they called it, melancholy; but there is something\u2014it\u2019s not discouragement \/ there is something wrong with you. What\u2019s scary is you don't know what it is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You know, I recently had a physical. I went to my doctor, and we just had a lengthy conversation about a lot of matters related to life. After we\u2019d pretty much finished my physical, he began to talk about what he was observing in other people. He was talking about how stress today\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014that most\u2014it was like 90 percent of the illnesses he saw, as a physician\u20149-0 were related to stress. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I think, as a culture, we do get addicted to adrenaline\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and to the next event, and the next thing, and the next thing. Even in the ministry, I mean\u2014Bob knows\u2014there is a tremendous honor, privilege, sanctified moment, where God uses a broken pot to minister to other broken pots and helps them. There is that elation that you spoke of.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Kind of a spiritual rush.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. And you can get addicted to that over a period of time. If you\u2019re not careful, as you just described, there is a payback.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, and that\u2019s what I\u2019m trying\u2014am I hearing you right?\u00a0 Because I\u2019m hearing you say, \u201cThis came on me,\u201d but I\u2019m also hearing you say,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Ramping up after a while.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0\u2014\u201cI brought this on me.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Yes. I can look, in retrospect, and see three years before\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it was a continual putting myself in unrelenting pushing, without any rest\u2014is what did it. I could see it happening over about three years; but it did hit me, literally, in a moment. My body said, \u201cThat's all.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0In that process of kind of going for the stress\u2014going after this stuff\u2014did you let any of your spiritual disciplines slide?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>No. Reading the Bible was my love\/my joy. And so\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0\u2014beyond just the vocational side of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Yes. And vocationally, I did everything that I should have done. I was reading my Bible, and <em>loving<\/em> what I was doing; but\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0But it doesn\u2019t sound like there were a lot of Sabbaths in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Oh, no. There were no Sabbaths. I was\u2014I am an <em>effort<\/em> guy. I love being stretched. The old Vince Lombardi deal of life being \u201clying, exhausted, in victory on a field of battle\u201d\u2014I love it!\u00a0 I love being pushed like that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlso, I\u2019m a quarterback\u2014I was a quarterback in high school\/college. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you\u2019ve got 30 seconds in the huddle\u2014nobody talks but me; alright?\u00a0 I love being in control. [Laughter] You walk up to the line. Nobody moves until you all bow. I want everybody to bow. Then, I wipe my hands on your rear end, and nobody moves in the stadium until I say. So, being a pastor and being a quarterback are great complements. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd Teresa, to be honest, is the same kind of person. Her father was the same kind of person. Teresa is driven. If I had died, she\u2019d have grieved two or three hours;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>Not true. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>\u2014and then she\u2019d have been on her way\u2014maybe a day and she\u2019d be on her way. She is an old-school Texan. So, we both <em>love<\/em> producing. I didn\u2019t like stopping for stuff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Are you living differently today than you were?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Oh, gracious!\u00a0 I had to get rid of about 70 percent of what I was doing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0So, you\u2019ve made some adjustments?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I\u2019m a typical preacher now\u2014it\u2019s disgusting.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We\u2019re going to come back and talk more about that. Tommy, forgive me because I do not want to\u2014in wrapping today\u2019s broadcast up here\u2014I don\u2019t want to simplify or quickly spiritualize\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but there is a message that you just sent a lot of people. There is a reason for Sabbath rest.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And we do need to embrace that aspect of God\u2019s Word. Quite honestly, I may not be a draft horse, like you; but I\u2019m married to a wife\u2014she communicates to me, Teresa, over and over and over again about Sabbath rest\u2014setting a day apart, getting an island in the midst of the activity, in the midst of the pace of life. We didn\u2019t do it perfectly. You know what?\u00a0 She would jerk my chain when I\u2019d go too far. There has been occasion\u2014because, like Teresa, Barbara is pretty goal-oriented herself\u2014and I\u2019d need to pull her back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut there is a great lesson for all of us\u2014whether or not you struggle with depression or regardless of your lifestyle\u2014you need to honor what God told us to honor in the Ten Commandments\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014setting apart a day and honoring Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. We had an opportunity\u2014this was not that long ago\u2014we sat down with a medical doctor, Dr. Charles Hodges, and talked about the difference between just being sad about something and real clinical depression. He\u2019s written a book called <em>Good Mood Bad Mood: Help and Hope for Depression and Bipolar Disorder. <\/em>We\u2019ve got copies of Dr. Hodges\u2019 book in our <em>FamilyLife<\/em> <em>Today<\/em> Resource Center. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, if you\u2019d like to listen to the interview we did with Dr. Hodges, we\u2019ve got a link available to that interview as well. Go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, if you\u2019d like to listen to more about this subject or if you\u2019d like to order a copy of the book, <em>Good Mood Bad Mood<\/em>, from Dr. Charles Hodges. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call us, toll-free, at 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet us know that you\u2019d like a copy of the book, <em>Good Mood Bad Mood<\/em>; and we\u2019ll make arrangements to get a copy sent to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just remind folks of something that you said at the beginning of today\u2019s program, Dennis. We\u2019re about two weeks from a brand-new year. That means we\u2019ve got two weeks left for us to take advantage of the $2 million matching-gift fund that has been established, here at FamilyLife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you make a donation today, whatever your donation is\u2014these friends of the ministry have agreed that they are going to make a donation that is double the donation you made. So, if you make a donation of $100, they\u2019ll add $200 to that; and FamilyLife gets to take advantage of $300 in financial support for our ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd this is vital for us because more than a third of the revenue we need to operate the ministry comes in during the month of December. Would you consider, today, going to FamilyLifeToday.com?\u00a0 Make an online donation in support of our ministry. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014you can donate over the phone. Or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to talk about what life is like when you\u2019re in the middle of an extended season of clinical depression. We\u2019ll hear more from Tommy and Teresa Nelson tomorrow. Hope you can join us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine.\u00a0 Tommy and Teresa Nelson join us today to talk about what happened the day the big draft horse went down. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Wednesday edition. We\u2019re going to talk about what happens when a\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014draft horse goes down. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. It can be\u2014this can be a tough season of the year for families, going through the Christmas season\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014there can be challenges that families face. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And the question is\u2014for a family: \u201cWho do you go to? 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I just started listing down\u2014and these are why we do what we do: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to help men understand how to better love and lead their wives and family spiritually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to help dads interview their daughter\u2019s date\u2014[Laughter] \u2014that gets the guys nodding\u2014and how you can train your sons to know what to do when girls are aggressive, sexually. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe want to help women be all that God created them to be and know what it means to be a woman. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, when it comes to training your kids, I just jotted down some of the broadcasts we\u2019ve done recently, Bob: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tScreens and Teens\u2014no doubt about it \/ helping your child navigate social media and the traps that are on this little bitty screen\u2014they can be life altering. There are the sexual identity issues of manhood\/womanhood, homosexuality, same-sex marriage, transgender. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, there are all these issues coming at us. What we\u2019ve designed <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> to be and what we\u2019ve designed it to do\u2014is to give you the biblical perspective to anchor opinions and convictions, out of the Bible, to help you know how to just, not merely survive, but how to <em>thrive<\/em> and how to build your family to make a difference in this culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut to do that, we need a special group of people who are heroes. These are heroes that want to make a difference in other people\u2019s marriages and families\u2014they want to bring help and hope to other people\u2019s homes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s why, this month, we\u2019ve got a special invitation and a special challenge for people to give as they\u2019ve never given before. If there has ever been a time for you to give, as never before, it\u2019s today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and the month of December is a critical month for ministries like ours. In our case, more than a third of the revenue we need to operate the ministry comes in during the month of December\u2014or it doesn\u2019t come in\u2014and we have to recalibrate our year based on what happens in December. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve had some friends of the ministry, who have come along and said, \u201cWe want your December to be really strong this year.\u201d\u00a0 So, they have agreed that, if a radio listener will make a donation, they will match that donation two-to-one. You make a donation of $100 \/ they\u2019ll kick in $200; and we\u2019ll wind up with a total of $300 given to the ministry at that point. They\u2019ll do that up to $2 million. We\u2019re trying to take full advantage of this matching-gift opportunity. You can go online at FamilyLifeToday.com and make a donation; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to donate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEither way, your donation is going to qualify for this matching-gift opportunity; and you\u2019re going to help us take full advantage of the match. We do hope to hear from you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And here is what I want you to know, as a listener\u2014when you give, your generosity changes lives, it touches marriages, it corrects families. It, ultimately, has an impact for generations to come. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWill you stand with us as we stand alongside you and your marriage and family?\u00a0 Will you come help us change the world? I was challenged to do that, Bob, back in 1970, when I joined the staff of Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>: \u201cCome help change the world.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Do you know what?\u00a0 We\u2019re still trying to do it, and we want to invite you to become a hero and change the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, again, you can give online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a yearend contribution in support of this ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we want to dive into what we are going to hear today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had a conversation, a while back, with a pastor and his wife\u2014Tommy and Teresa Nelson. Tommy is the pastor at Denton Bible Church, just north of Dallas. He has served there faithfully for decades. He\u2019s a <em>great<\/em> Bible teacher. Yet, a number of years ago, he hit a bump in his ministry. He and Teresa came up and talked with us about what was, really, an emotional breakdown for Tommy. He was diagnosed, eventually, with clinical depression. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previously Recorded Interview]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>If you had asked me what depression was\u2014I could not have told you. I have been 35 years, almost, in the ministry and have been through rough times \/ tough times; but if you'd asked me about depression, I would have said, \u201cWell, you need to go take a nap, memorize Scripture, and quit being depressed.\u201d And that's probably what 90-plus percent of all evangelical pastors in the\u2014what\u2014I\u2019m on the Dallas Seminary Board\u2014I know my stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve been through Dallas Seminary, but I didn\u2019t really know what people went through when they got hit with\u2014physically, going through a depression.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Teresa, you\u2019d watched Tommy in ministry for more than three decades; and you\u2019d been through a lot of things in your marriage and family. He shared some of those things, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Would you have ever described your husband as being someone who ever struggled with depression until this hit?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>No. I don\u2019t think he did struggle with depression until this hit; but I think, maybe, he had been kind of\u2014if you want to say\u2014revving up to it for a few years, just from stress; but it didn\u2019t show itself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>There was no reason for it\u2014overtly\u2014I mean, it wasn\u2019t like a sin, it wasn\u2019t like worry, and it wasn\u2019t like this or that. It was\u2014basically, Dennis, it was overwork. Depression comes from stress, and it can be stress at an event. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSometimes, there are <em>huge<\/em> things that can happen to you; and then, other times, there\u2019s just stress that comes in the ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGuys in the ministry are the worst about it because we deal with struggles. Sometimes, if you deal with them over and over\u2014long, long, long, years and years\u2014and you never really take time off \/ but you just keep doing more, and more, and more\u2014at some point, your body is going to stop you and say: \u201cThat\u2019s all. We\u2019re not going to do that anymore.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think you\u2019ll take this in the right way\u2014but because you\u2019ve been on the broadcast a number of times\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and our ministry has partnered with you on a number of occasions, we\u2019ve followed\u2014both Bob and I\u2014have followed your ministry with great delight. We\u2019ve known of some of the things you\u2019ve done. The Bible study\u2014what\u2019s it called\u2014<em>Metro<\/em>?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Yes, we did that for seven years\u20142,000 people in Bible study.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, just this massive Bible study, and then your discipleship group\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>The Young Guns\u2014yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You take the Young Guns and meet with them at six in the morning.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>\u2014four mornings a week \/ 500 hours of Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And leading a church\u2014how big is your church?\u00a0 How many people attending?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>There are about 3,500 people who show up on Sunday.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I have to tell you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Now, wait\u2014Song of Solomon conferences all around the country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Ten Song of Solomon conferences a year to about 2,000 people a pop.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>A little writing on the side.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>A little writing on the side.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>A little family on the side.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Yes, two grown sons \/ two grandkids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, there you go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I struggled with <em>elation<\/em> more than depression. I just <em>loved<\/em> what I was doing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, but I peered back in from a distance; and I go, \u201cSome guys are bionic, and they can just do it.\u201d\u00a0 And we were not judging you\u2014I\u2019ve got more in my own life that I can judge than to have time to go judge you\u2014but I just wondered, \u201cHow could you do it all?!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0How did you keep the pace up?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>How did you keep the pace up?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I did it because I <em>loved<\/em> it. I would run four miles a day \/ lift weights every day\u2014plus everything else I did just out of <em>pure<\/em> love\u2014I <em>loved<\/em> what I was doing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>How many hours a night did you sleep?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I would go\u2014I\u2019d go to bed\u2014I\u2019d <em>crash<\/em> at about 10\/10:30.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, I was always up at 5\u2014never would I sleep past 5. Usually, I\u2019d get up about 4 because I was excited about that day\u2014because at 6, I got to handle the Word with 40 top guys. And so, at 6, I would take off and teach until 7. Then, I would usually go and answer emails. Then, I would go work out; and then, I\u2019d come back and usually take a nap in the afternoon. Then, you know, get ready for a weekend conference and head off on a Friday\u2014do three times Friday night \/ three times Saturday morning. Come back\u2014four times on Sunday on preaching\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Whew!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>\u2014get up and go\u20146 a.m. I <em>loved<\/em> it just because\u2014just the idea of the gospel\u2014being expended for the gospel was wonderful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>And I was doing stuff at that Romans conference. I was in the middle of getting ready to video Romans; and I was just living for that when it hit me, sitting in a chair\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Are you going to stop me now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I want to stop you before you talk about the chair because I want to turn to Teresa. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBarbara, in my life, has what I call \u201canchors.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd when I\u2019ve outrun my coverage\u2014pushed it past the margins\u2014she has this unmistakable way of throwing out anchors. They usually hit me in the head because it\u2019s got to get my attention. While this was all going on, did Teresa throw out anchors?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>Yes\u2014and looking back at it, I think that\u2019s why\u2014somebody said, \u201cWell, didn\u2019t you see it coming?\u201d\u00a0 And I\u2019d go: \u201cNot like it hit him but in his unwillingness to listen to what I was saying.\u201d That was different because Tommy always valued my opinion, or my counsel, or whatever; but he had\u2014I mean, it was like he had closed ears. I was saying: \u201cYou\u2019re doing too much. Don\u2019t take that. Why do you want to do it?\u201d\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYes, he would say, \u201cI <em>love<\/em> to do it\u201d; but I\u2019d say, \u201cIt\u2019s too much,\u201d\u2014and he wasn\u2019t listening. That\u2019s why I think he was already ramping up to what really happened to him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Do you remember these conversations she\u2019s talking about?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Oh, yes, I did. I walked\u2014I very rarely ever\u2014Teresa has <em>enormous<\/em> wisdom\u2014and I walked past a couple of things that she said. She was nice to me because she\u2019s a motivated\u2014I mean, Teresa burns on all cylinders \/ so we run the race together\u2014but in retrospect, she would never try to hold me back; but she was cautioning me. I just went ahead on. If I had listened to her, it probably wouldn't have hit me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Leading up to that moment in the chair, when Tommy realized he was in trouble, did you see signs that said: \u201cWhoa!\u00a0 Something is going on here\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Not just that he was busy\u2014but did you see things starting to come through?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>Yes, like anger\u2014I mean, not just all the time \/ but the little things making him angry. Maybe, irritated would be better\u2014that there was just irritation like\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and things that would come in to alter maybe his schedule or whatever\u2014those were kind of irritating. So, I did\u2014I began to see little things\u2014but until we were in the hospital and he started saying, \u201cI\u2019ve got\u201d\u2014well, we weren\u2019t in the hospital, but at the doctor's office, where he said, \u201cI have got to go to the hospital.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s when I knew something was not right with Tommy because it wasn\u2019t, \u201cI need to go to the hospital to\u2026\u201d\u2014you know, whatever. It was, \u201cI\u2019ve got to go there to sleep because I\u2019m not sleeping.\u201d\u00a0 And in my eyes, Tommy was sleeping. So, it was just like it was unreal to me that he was so\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014just wanted to go to the hospital to get well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>It\u2019s like your accelerator is hung.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>And it was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>And my accelerator was hung with the emergency brake on\u2014that\u2019s what the experience is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, you\u2019re looking at the tachometer\u2014you see the RPMs are way over there\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014but the wheels are slipping.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>You can\u2019t stop. You just\u2014you are intent\u2014it\u2019s like your body\u2014it\u2019s not like you\u2019ve got a mental problem\u2014with giving way to stuff. I mean, your body gets hung with an adrenaline mode and you just shutdown.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>We thought he had allergies, or sinus infections, or something\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Because I\u2019d get flu-like\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>\u2014because there was something flu-like going on with him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>\u2014my body would hurt. What it was\u2014was adrenaline.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>I saw panic in him or panic to get a medication that the doctor\u2014I mean, you know, to where it was causing conflict between us because I didn\u2019t recognize\u2014and there was no reason to recognize because I didn\u2019t know what it was \/ what was really going on with him\u2014but it was like a panic to get medication.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>And my body wouldn\u2019t behave. I was pushing it to do this stuff,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>Yes, he couldn\u2019t control\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>\u2014and my body was shutting down. Like a big tree, it was creaking and falling; and it wouldn\u2019t cooperate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>I saw he was totally out of control\u2014and not isolated\u2014but where he was so preoccupied.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Withdrawn.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>Yes\u2014and like\u2014because he was already thinking: \u201cWhat\u2019s wrong with me?\u00a0 What\u2019s wrong with me?\u201d\u2014like he couldn\u2019t hear \/ he couldn\u2019t relate. As it progressed, it got worse and worse to where he couldn\u2019t enjoy the kids, the grandkids, anybody.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>The thing was\u2014you don\u2019t really\u2014when something like that hits you\u2014in my case anyway\u2014there was really acute clinical\u2014where your body shuts down, and you don\u2019t know what it is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey tested me for diabetes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>\u2014tumors.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>They thought tumors. They thought stroke. They thought diabetes\u2014trying to find out what it is. All my blood comes back perfect. All the urinalysis\u2014it\u2019s perfect. All the MRIs \/ all the x-rays\u2014I\u2019m perfect. But I <em>know<\/em> something has happened to me, but you don't know what it is that it\u2019s produced. All I can say is\u2014and every guy that\u2019s been through this knows what I\u2019m talking about\u2014when I say, \u201cYour accelerator is hung.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe guy explained it to me\u2014because I had sat down with some specialists in it. They said\u2014and here is the layman\u2019s translation\u2014is that, when you go through intense stress, your body produces adrenaline. Just like when the jack slips and the car falls on somebody, you pick it up\u2014alright\u2014now, your adrenaline hits. You produce, they said, what is called cortisol from stress. That\u2019s okay here and there, here and there, here and there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A little shot of that\u2014right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>But the fellow said: \u201cWhen you do that continually \/ when you\u2019re always in that stress adrenaline mode, what happens is\u2014that cortisol shuts down the leading neurotransmitter in your body that\u2019s called serotonin that\u201d\u2014he said\u2014\u201cwas kind of like\u201d\u2014 and the specialist told me \/ he said, \u201c\u2014it\u2019s like oil to a car.\u201d Your central nervous system works on this. When it\u2019s depleted, what you experience is the phenomenon of depression and of anxiety\u2014they\u2019re the same coin \/ different sides\u2014and they come and go. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s when your body is stuck; and then, it shuts down into depression. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe scary thing is you don\u2019t know what it is. All you can do is start pulling back on the stuff, but your body won\u2019t respond immediately. It\u2019s not like you can stop on Friday and feel better Monday. You have to shut down, sometimes, for a year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSpurgeon had it, Luther had it, Alfred Lord Tennyson had it, Sir Isaac Newton had it, and Charlotte Bronte had it. It\u2019s just amazing the people that have had it. In the old days, they called it, melancholy; but there is something\u2014it\u2019s not discouragement \/ there is something wrong with you. What\u2019s scary is you don't know what it is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You know, I recently had a physical. I went to my doctor, and we just had a lengthy conversation about a lot of matters related to life. After we\u2019d pretty much finished my physical, he began to talk about what he was observing in other people. He was talking about how stress today\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014that most\u2014it was like 90 percent of the illnesses he saw, as a physician\u20149-0 were related to stress. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I think, as a culture, we do get addicted to adrenaline\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and to the next event, and the next thing, and the next thing. Even in the ministry, I mean\u2014Bob knows\u2014there is a tremendous honor, privilege, sanctified moment, where God uses a broken pot to minister to other broken pots and helps them. There is that elation that you spoke of.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Kind of a spiritual rush.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. And you can get addicted to that over a period of time. If you\u2019re not careful, as you just described, there is a payback.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, and that\u2019s what I\u2019m trying\u2014am I hearing you right?\u00a0 Because I\u2019m hearing you say, \u201cThis came on me,\u201d but I\u2019m also hearing you say,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Ramping up after a while.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0\u2014\u201cI brought this on me.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Yes. I can look, in retrospect, and see three years before\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it was a continual putting myself in unrelenting pushing, without any rest\u2014is what did it. I could see it happening over about three years; but it did hit me, literally, in a moment. My body said, \u201cThat's all.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0In that process of kind of going for the stress\u2014going after this stuff\u2014did you let any of your spiritual disciplines slide?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>No. Reading the Bible was my love\/my joy. And so\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0\u2014beyond just the vocational side of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Yes. And vocationally, I did everything that I should have done. I was reading my Bible, and <em>loving<\/em> what I was doing; but\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0But it doesn\u2019t sound like there were a lot of Sabbaths in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Oh, no. There were no Sabbaths. I was\u2014I am an <em>effort<\/em> guy. I love being stretched. The old Vince Lombardi deal of life being \u201clying, exhausted, in victory on a field of battle\u201d\u2014I love it!\u00a0 I love being pushed like that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlso, I\u2019m a quarterback\u2014I was a quarterback in high school\/college. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you\u2019ve got 30 seconds in the huddle\u2014nobody talks but me; alright?\u00a0 I love being in control. [Laughter] You walk up to the line. Nobody moves until you all bow. I want everybody to bow. Then, I wipe my hands on your rear end, and nobody moves in the stadium until I say. So, being a pastor and being a quarterback are great complements. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd Teresa, to be honest, is the same kind of person. Her father was the same kind of person. Teresa is driven. If I had died, she\u2019d have grieved two or three hours;\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Teresa: <\/strong>Not true. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>\u2014and then she\u2019d have been on her way\u2014maybe a day and she\u2019d be on her way. She is an old-school Texan. So, we both <em>love<\/em> producing. I didn\u2019t like stopping for stuff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Are you living differently today than you were?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Oh, gracious!\u00a0 I had to get rid of about 70 percent of what I was doing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0So, you\u2019ve made some adjustments?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>I\u2019m a typical preacher now\u2014it\u2019s disgusting.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We\u2019re going to come back and talk more about that. Tommy, forgive me because I do not want to\u2014in wrapping today\u2019s broadcast up here\u2014I don\u2019t want to simplify or quickly spiritualize\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but there is a message that you just sent a lot of people. There is a reason for Sabbath rest.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And we do need to embrace that aspect of God\u2019s Word. Quite honestly, I may not be a draft horse, like you; but I\u2019m married to a wife\u2014she communicates to me, Teresa, over and over and over again about Sabbath rest\u2014setting a day apart, getting an island in the midst of the activity, in the midst of the pace of life. We didn\u2019t do it perfectly. You know what?\u00a0 She would jerk my chain when I\u2019d go too far. There has been occasion\u2014because, like Teresa, Barbara is pretty goal-oriented herself\u2014and I\u2019d need to pull her back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut there is a great lesson for all of us\u2014whether or not you struggle with depression or regardless of your lifestyle\u2014you need to honor what God told us to honor in the Ten Commandments\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014setting apart a day and honoring Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tommy: <\/strong>Sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. We had an opportunity\u2014this was not that long ago\u2014we sat down with a medical doctor, Dr. Charles Hodges, and talked about the difference between just being sad about something and real clinical depression. He\u2019s written a book called <em>Good Mood Bad Mood: Help and Hope for Depression and Bipolar Disorder. <\/em>We\u2019ve got copies of Dr. Hodges\u2019 book in our <em>FamilyLife<\/em> <em>Today<\/em> Resource Center. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, if you\u2019d like to listen to the interview we did with Dr. Hodges, we\u2019ve got a link available to that interview as well. Go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, if you\u2019d like to listen to more about this subject or if you\u2019d like to order a copy of the book, <em>Good Mood Bad Mood<\/em>, from Dr. Charles Hodges. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call us, toll-free, at 1-800-358-6329. 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So, if you make a donation of $100, they\u2019ll add $200 to that; and FamilyLife gets to take advantage of $300 in financial support for our ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd this is vital for us because more than a third of the revenue we need to operate the ministry comes in during the month of December. Would you consider, today, going to FamilyLifeToday.com?\u00a0 Make an online donation in support of our ministry. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014you can donate over the phone. Or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to talk about what life is like when you\u2019re in the middle of an extended season of clinical depression. 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