{"id":303768,"date":"2015-12-04T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-12-04T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/god-at-work-in-israel\/"},"modified":"2015-12-04T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2015-12-04T17:00:00","slug":"god-at-work-in-israel","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/god-at-work-in-israel\/","title":{"rendered":"God at Work in Israel"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>guest: Barbara Rainey, Joel Rosenberg | Series: God at Work Around the World | New York Times best-selling author Joel Rosenberg talks to Dennis and Barbara Rainey about what he sees taking place among the Jewish people in Israel. 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Thanks for joining us on the Friday edition. It\u2019s Friday, December 4<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019ve had an opportunity this week to get a little bit of a jet tour of\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014where God is at work in various parts of the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We have met some real heroes. If you haven\u2019t listened to all of these broadcasts this week, you need to go back and listen because we interviewed some folks who are going to be great in the Kingdom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And we\u2019re going to get the chance to talk to one of your friends who is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014great in the Kingdom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014in another part of the world before we are done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, I\u2019m just talking about Barbara who joins us. [Laughter]\u00a0 I wasn\u2019t talking\u2014we\u2019re going to talk to Barbara here for a second. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We are going to do that. Then, we\u2019ve got a phone call we are going to make a little later on in today\u2019s program with a friend of yours in Israel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But we wanted you to come in and be a part of these conversations because you really have a heart for what God is doing all around the world\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014especially this year at Christmas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I do because, this year, we have created a new special edition set of Adorenaments<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. Instead of doing names of Jesus\u2014other names that are found in the Bible\u2014we\u2019ve taken the name, Jesus, and we\u2019ve put it on five different ornaments in five different languages. We want families and singles\u2014we want everybody who uses these on their Christmas tree this year\u2014to remember that Jesus came for the whole world. Sometimes, we get very self-focused, and we think about Christmas only in American terms; but Christmas is a holiday that is celebrated by believers all around the globe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And I\u2019m thinking of kids who might see your Adorenaments from this year\u2014and they\u2019ll see the script\u2014they won\u2019t recognize the lettering because it\u2019s a different alphabet\u2014if it\u2019s Russian,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014or if it\u2019s Mandarin, or if it\u2019s Arabic\u2014and they\u2019ll say, \u201cWhat\u2019s that?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a parent, what a great opportunity you have to sit down\u2014not only to talk about, \u201cThis is the name of Jesus,\u201d\u2014but to turn the ornament over and talk about this group of people who speak this language. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes. I think kids will learn to recognize \u201cJesus\u201d in these languages because, when we first started doing this, I would have to flip it over and see, \u201cWhich language is this?\u201d\u00a0 Now, I can look at them and tell you immediately which language it is. And I know kids are much quicker than I am. They\u2019ll begin to recognize the name of Jesus in each of these languages as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And the cool thing is\u2014they are really well-done. I love what a blogger wrote on our website\u2014she said: \u201cI love beautiful things, but I love beautiful things with meaning so much more. I don\u2019t want a house full of beautiful things with no story. I want a home that tells a beautiful story.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you know what?\u00a0 Your Christmas tree can do that. It can help you tell the story of what took place in the manger and beyond\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014all the way to the cross, the empty tomb, and Christ being seated at the right hand of the Father. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I know that these ornaments have been a labor of love for you, over the last four years, as you\u2019ve been creating these. Really, what is behind it is\u2014at one level, it\u2019s a desire to see a home made beautiful, and with a beautiful story behind it. At another level, it\u2019s an opportunity for moms and dads to tell that beautiful story over and over again to their kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>It\u2019s really about proclaiming Christ at Christmas. I think so many of us in America understand and sense that we\u2019ve gotten way off track when it comes to celebrating Christmas, and we don\u2019t know how to get back on track. The real reason for these ornaments is to help families make Christ the focus of their Christmas holiday. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy hanging these ornaments on the tree, you can have all kinds of conversations with your children about what that name means\u2014why Jesus is our Redeemer \/ \u201cWhy do the Arabic people or the Hebrew people need to recognize the name, Jesus, in their language?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s really about proclaiming His name, first, in your home to your family, but then, to any who visit. We all have people coming and going in and out of our homes at Christmas. What a great opportunity to invite people in. They look at your tree, and it looks very different than most trees that you see around because they can read the names and realize that your tree is all about Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The ornaments that you\u2019ve created this year\u2014the names of Jesus in five languages\u2014there\u2019s Mandarin, there\u2019s Russian, there\u2019s Arabic, there\u2019s Spanish, and then, there\u2019s the Hebrew language. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd talking about the nation of Israel, we have a friend of ours, who lives in Israel, and who knows a little bit about what is going on in Israel; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Just a little something. Barbara and I had the privilege of spending a little time with Joel Rosenberg at his Epicenter Conference in Jerusalem back in 2008. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJoel, I can\u2019t believe it was that long ago. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I can\u2019t either. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>I know. It feels like forever ago now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We had a lot of fun with him, along with a few other friends of his\u2014about 2,000 of them were there. [Laughter] He did a great job of taking people\u2014all of us\u2014around to various places in Israel and just celebrating the nation that gave us our Savior. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Some of our listeners will recognize his name. He is the author of more than ten best-selling novels, including <em>New York Times<\/em> best-selling novels. He is a Bible teacher as well as a novelist. As I said, he is now an expat living in Israel. Joel, tell everybody why you decided to relocate and move back to Israel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Yes, well, actually, technically, we\u2019re not even expats. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have become citizens of the state of Israel. I\u2019m Jewish on my father\u2019s side \/ a Gentile on my mom\u2019s side. Obviously, as you just said, we\u2019re followers of the Messiah\u2014the Lord Jesus Christ. And several years ago, my wife Lynn and I\u2014after much prayer\u2014really sensed that the Holy Spirit was telling us it was time to join our people back here in Israel. Now, we\u2019re dual citizens. So, we\u2019re fully U.S. citizens and Israelis. So, we get to vote twice. It\u2019s sort of like living in Chicago. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh!\u00a0 [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Oh!\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>So, that\u2019s exciting\u2014sorry to my Chicago friends. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>But anyway, it\u2019s been challenging. It\u2019s exciting, certainly, to come here and live here in the epicenter\u2014where the Bible was written \/ where it\u2019s all going to come to an end here. It\u2019s also been very challenging for our children. We\u2019ve got four sons. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEach of them has had their challenges\u2014but the younger two in particular. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt all looks simpler in Genesis 12\u2014leave your nation, leave your father\u2019s home, go to the land I will show you. Now, we\u2019re learning how hard that really is. But it\u2019s a great honor to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, Abraham and Sarah didn\u2019t have any children when they moved from Ur to Israel; did they?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>No, they didn\u2019t; and maybe, that was why the Lord had them be barren for a while until He was going to do something miraculous. [Laughter]\u00a0 But they had resources and they had faith\u2014that\u2019s the key. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>And faith is the key. That\u2019s what we are so grateful for\u2014that we <em>know<\/em>, from the many things that God did, that this is exactly what we are supposed to be doing\u2014hardships and all. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Joel, you mentioned you have a Jewish father and a Gentile mother. How did you come to be a follower of Jesus Christ?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Well, the heart of that is really the salvation of my parents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, God did a miraculous work in my heart; but it\u2019s really because I saw them changing so dramatically. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy father was born and raised in an Orthodox Jewish family in Brooklyn. My mom\u2019s family was, actually, born and raised in upstate New York in a little town called Rome. When they met and married in 1965, and had me in 1967, they really were an agnostic Orthodox Jew\u2014I know you don\u2019t really hear that term often\u2014and an agnostic Methodist trying to figure out their way in the \u201860s. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut eventually, they heard the gospel clearly\u2014and my mom, first, and then, six months later, my father became\u2014both of them became followers of the Lord Jesus Christ. And over the next several years, I saw them change <em>so<\/em> <em>much<\/em>. I gave my life to the Lord Jesus at the age of eight. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, that was a big game-changer in our family\u2014especially, I have to say, my father\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014thought he was the first Jew since the Apostle Paul to believe this stuff; right?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 I mean, he\u2019d never heard of a Jewish person who believed in Jesus. He\u2019d certainly never <em>met<\/em> one in 1973, when he made that decision\u2014really, there weren\u2019t that many\u2014but that is changing dramatically. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Joel, you\u2019ve had the opportunity to go through December in the United States, and now, to go live through a December in Israel. How are those experiences different?\u00a0 How is Christmas\u2014is it observed at all?\u00a0 Is it a part of the culture in Israel?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Well, you know, one of my favorite parts of growing up in the United States\u2014and certainly, my wife\u2019s favorite\u2014was Christmas. We just love the season. We love going out to the woods with our boys and chopping down a Christmas tree and getting it all ready and reading the Bible stories. Even in the secularization of America\u2014just being in a hotel and hearing Christmas carols\u2014there is something special about it\u2014I mean, even though we\u2019re saddened by all the commercialization and such. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo come to Israel is quite striking, I have to tell you, because it\u2019s as though this event never happened. I mean, the Jewish people in Israel do not celebrate Christmas. Arab Christians\u2014and there are quite a few here in Israel\u2014the Christians do celebrate Christmas. So, if you go to Nazareth or Bethlehem, there are Christmas trees, and lights, and celebrations; but our main holidays from the Scriptures\u2014or at least, from Jewish tradition\u2014is Hanukkah. That\u2019s called the Feast of Dedication. So, that\u2019s really the December celebration the Jews observe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>But it is a little sad to us that our people don\u2019t know that the Messiah came and was born in the town of Bethlehem, just as the Hebrew prophet, Micah, told us He would be and so forth. Our people don\u2019t know it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s part of why we are here\u2014to share that with anyone and everyone who will listen\u2014and even those who would prefer not to listen but need to know that good news. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Joel, tell our listeners a little bit about what you see happening, spiritually, among the Jewish people. I know there are some websites with stories of Jewish people who have met the Messiah and who are believing on Jesus in increasing numbers. Tell us a little bit about that\u2014about how you do see things changing in a pretty dramatic way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Joel: <\/strong>Yes\u2014well, Barbara, that is one of the most exciting developments of the last 2,000 years. There is no way to <em>overstate<\/em> it actually. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>That\u2019s interesting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>This is the most open the Jewish people have been to the Messiah in 2,000 years. Let me give you an example\u2014first, by context. In 1948, when the state of Israel was dramatically\/supernaturally reborn as a geopolitical nation state\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014just as the Prophet Ezekiel said it would be and the other prophets said it would be\u2014there were only about two dozen Jewish followers of Jesus in the whole land of Israel\u2014two dozen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, in Israel today, there are about 15,000 Jewish believers in Jesus\u2014or Messianic Jews. Then, worldwide\u2014we\u2019ve gone from about 2,000 to about 300,000\u2014worldwide Jewish believers in Jesus. So, again, in a world of 14-and-a-half million Jewish people, 300,000 is not enough; but we\u2019re moving suddenly\/dramatically in the right direction. There is an openness that we\u2019ve just never seen before\u2014curiosity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, for those of us who study the Bible, we know that the Bible prophesies say that, the closer we get to the return of the Messiah, the more hunger there will be among all people\u2014as well as Jewish people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Joel, I\u2019ve been to Israel a couple of times. The first time I went was 1971, which obviously was shortly after Israel really began to flourish as a nation. When I went the first time, I have to tell you\u2014I really expected, as I set foot on that soil\u2014because of reading the Old Testament and the life of Christ\u2014I expected an intensely spiritual group of people in Israel. But their Sabbath\/Saturday was just like a Sabbath we\u2019d have here on the beach. People didn\u2019t go to the Wailing Wall. They didn\u2019t seem to be celebrating the Bible and what God had commanded them to do in terms of worshiping Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tComment on that. I know you\u2019re talking about on the positive side; but just how far they\u2019ve got to go, in terms of truly becoming more of a spiritual country, where the Lord, Our God, is their God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Yes.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, this is one of the great heartaches for my wife and me, and our kids, and our friends\u2014is that the Jewish people, both in Israel and around the world, don\u2019t know the very Messiah that was promised to us and who has come and has transformed so many of our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIsrael is a largely secular nation. Now, there is a strong Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox movement here. That\u2019s probably less than 25 percent of the population. So, we\u2019re still in the phase where most of the country is either secular or just not observant of the Bible; but we\u2019re also in that phase where the Holy Spirit is <em>moving<\/em>. There is an interest and the growing acceptance of Messiah Jesus. So, it\u2019s in fulfillment of prophecy, but it wasn\u2019t being done because people thought they were fulfilling prophecy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd that I think is so interesting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We\u2019re talking with Joel Rosenberg, who is the author of a number of best-selling books, and who lives in Israel. We\u2019re talking about what God is doing in Israel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJoel, in the part of the world where we live, there is not rocket-fire and mortar-fire \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t50 miles away from our home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Amen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There\u2019s not genocide going on 150 miles away from where we live; and yet, that\u2019s what you face on a daily basis\u2014you and your family. You are living in a dangerous part of the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Yes. It\u2019s a conundrum, really, because, on the one hand, Israel is the most targeted country in the world. I mean, there are so many nation-states and terror groups that say: \u201cWe\u2019re going to wipe Israel off the map. We\u2019re going to annihilate the Jewish people.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s being said, and weapon systems and militaries are being developed in order to accomplish that. So, that\u2019s true; and we do face terrorism and attacks, from time to time\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that is all true. Yet, people go about their lives, day to day, and God\u2019s hand of <em>grace<\/em> is on this country\u2014even though not every Israeli, yet, understands the mercy of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I will tell you, Dennis\u2014it\u2019s true that, when we moved to Israel, our flight\u2014we booked our tickets months in advance for this preparation. We arrived in the middle of August of 2014. It just happened to be the month where 4,538 rockets and missiles were being fired at our new country. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Normally, you wouldn\u2019t move to a country or even go to a country that was under missile attack, but God had told us to do it. We felt peace. The boys were supportive\u2014we all did it. And I\u2019ve got to tell you\u2014that opened up so many doors. People said: \u201cYou\u2019re moving <em>here<\/em> from America during a war?\u00a0 Why?\u00a0 Who are you people?\u00a0 We want to move <em>there<\/em>.\u201d\u00a0 And this opened conversations about our love for our Messiah and opened doors in ways we wouldn\u2019t have anticipated. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe didn\u2019t want to move during a war \/ we never even thought of that; but God is doing something special here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLook, for Israelis\u2014there\u2019s nowhere else to go; alright?\u00a0 And I think part of that is why I feel\u2014I\u2019m grateful that the Lord wanted us to be here\u2014and not just be here as expats, for example, but as citizens who\u2014yes, we have another passport \/ we <em>could<\/em> go\u2014but we believe that God wants us to be here to go through what our people are going through because they are going through it <em>without<\/em> the Holy Spirit, <em>without<\/em> the peace that surpasses understanding \/ the hope that\u2019s an anchor for our souls, without wisdom from above that only comes from Messiah Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, I want to encourage our listeners to pray for Joel\u2014for his family\u2019s safety and continued cultural adaptation to another country. And Joel, I just appreciate you, as a follower of Christ, and the compassion you\u2019ve expressed through the Joshua Fund\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014helping reach out to people in Israel with humanitarian aid as well as the gospel \/ as well as talking with them about Jesus Christ. Just appreciate you, as a fellow follower of Christ, and also as a friend. Appreciate your being on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Well, Dennis, and Barbara, and Bob, thank you so much. It\u2019s an honor to be able to talk about these things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just add one note, which is\u2014please also pray for our Arab brothers and sisters in Christ and the Arab Muslims, here, who don\u2019t yet know Christ. There are so many tensions between Jews and Arabs. My experience is that, <em>only<\/em> in Christ, can we find unity. As much as God is doing work among the Jews in Israel, He is working among the Arabs also. That\u2019s a story that\u2019s not often told, and it should be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Didn\u2019t Isaiah say something about Him being the Prince of Peace?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Amen! [Laughter]\u00a0 And that means that\u2014not only do we have to get reconciled and have peace with God through Christ\u2014we\u2019ve got to have reconciliation with our brothers and sisters\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>\u2014and unity. We don\u2019t have to agree on every issue\u2014on eschatology \/ on the land\u2014but we have to <em>love<\/em> our Arab brothers and sisters and <em>serve<\/em> them. That\u2019s an important part of what the Joshua Fund does. We try to provide food, and clothing, and medical supplies, and build the church \/ strengthen the church, rather, here. We try to work with both sides. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Joel\u2014thanks for the time today. Thanks for sharing with our listeners. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Thank you so much. Bless you guys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>See you later. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Appreciate you. Bye-bye. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Thanks, Joel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Bye. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Thank you. Bye-bye. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And I think, too, every time, during the Christmas season, that I look at the name of Jesus in Hebrew on my Christmas tree, I\u2019ll think about the conversation that we were able to have today. It is exciting to hear about God at work in the land of the patriarchs\u2014in the land of Jesus; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>It really is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I think we need to be reminded that God is at work in Israel. We may be looking at the headlines of the newspaper\u2014and we don\u2019t know what\u2019s taking place in the spiritual realm\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but He is at work. God\u2019s not done with them. He\u2019s got a plan for that nation and for that section of the world, and I\u2019m just glad I know who wins in the end!\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I know who wins, and I\u2019m not talking about Israel\u2014I\u2019m talking about God. He\u2019s coming back, and He\u2019s not coming back to take sides. He\u2019s coming back to take over; and He desires our lives, our sacrifice, our obedience. Bob, that\u2019s what Christmas is all about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, I hope our listeners will take the opportunity to go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and see what Barbara has created this year with Jesus\u2019 name in five different languages on five different ornaments that you can hang on your Christmas tree. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com and look at the Adorenaments, not only this year\u2019s collection, but past years are available as well. You can order from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or if you\u2019d like to order by phone, call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDecorate your Christmas tree with the names of Jesus\u2014have your own Jesus tree this year. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSomething else you wanted to say; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There is. Christmas is about God\u2019s generosity <em>toward<\/em> us. We\u2019re turning toward you, as a listener, and asking you to give to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> to keep us on the air. And the bottom line is\u2014your generosity changes lives, it <em>transforms<\/em> marriages, and it creates a godly legacy for future generations. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re just coming to you, here at the end of the year, because over a third of our donations come in December; and we need your help \/ I need your help. We\u2019re doing something that is countercultural, right now, as never before. We\u2019re talking about God\u2019s design for marriage and family\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and equipping moms and dads \/ husbands and wives with how to do marriage God\u2019s way. And if you\u2019d like to help us do that\u2014I\u2019d like to encourage you to pick up a phone, or go online, or pick up an envelope and write out a check\u2014and be generous because your generosity changes lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and right now, when you make a donation to FamilyLife, your generosity will be multiplied. We\u2019ve had some friends of the ministry who have come to us and they have offered, during the month of December, to effectively triple every donation that comes in during the month. So, when you make a donation of $10, they are going to add $20 of their own; and we wind up receiving $30 for your $10 donated. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we\u2019re trying to take full advantage of this matching gift that they\u2019ve capped at \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t$2 million. For us to take advantage of it, we need to hear from as many listeners as possible. We\u2019d ask you to be as generous as you can possibly be, knowing that every dollar you donate, there are two additional dollars that will come our way as a result of your generosity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 And as Dennis said, you can mail your donation to us at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And Bob, I just want to remind our listeners this is an international ministry\u2014we\u2019ve been talking about it all week. We\u2019re in 109 countries of the world. In the last \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t12 months, we\u2019ve touched around 18 million lives. Now, we didn\u2019t change every one of those lives\u2014God does the changing\u2014but I just want to remind our listeners: \u201cWhen you give, that kind of ministry occurs today, it occurs tomorrow, and it\u2019ll occur next year. Stand with us so we can make a difference for Jesus Christ in marriages and families.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and we hope you have a great weekend too. We hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend. And I hope you can join us back on Monday because we\u2019re going to have a good friend join us in the studio. Dr. Tony Evans is going to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Get your seatbelt on! [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s going to be a great conversation as we talk about\u2014we\u2019re going to talk more about Jesus because, when you have Tony Evans on, that\u2019s what you\u2019re going to talk about. No matter what the subject is\u2014you\u2019re going to talk about Jesus. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2015 FamilyLife. 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We want families and singles\u2014we want everybody who uses these on their Christmas tree this year\u2014to remember that Jesus came for the whole world. Sometimes, we get very self-focused, and we think about Christmas only in American terms; but Christmas is a holiday that is celebrated by believers all around the globe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And I\u2019m thinking of kids who might see your Adorenaments from this year\u2014and they\u2019ll see the script\u2014they won\u2019t recognize the lettering because it\u2019s a different alphabet\u2014if it\u2019s Russian,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014or if it\u2019s Mandarin, or if it\u2019s Arabic\u2014and they\u2019ll say, \u201cWhat\u2019s that?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a parent, what a great opportunity you have to sit down\u2014not only to talk about, \u201cThis is the name of Jesus,\u201d\u2014but to turn the ornament over and talk about this group of people who speak this language. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes. I think kids will learn to recognize \u201cJesus\u201d in these languages because, when we first started doing this, I would have to flip it over and see, \u201cWhich language is this?\u201d\u00a0 Now, I can look at them and tell you immediately which language it is. And I know kids are much quicker than I am. They\u2019ll begin to recognize the name of Jesus in each of these languages as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And the cool thing is\u2014they are really well-done. I love what a blogger wrote on our website\u2014she said: \u201cI love beautiful things, but I love beautiful things with meaning so much more. I don\u2019t want a house full of beautiful things with no story. I want a home that tells a beautiful story.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you know what?\u00a0 Your Christmas tree can do that. It can help you tell the story of what took place in the manger and beyond\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014all the way to the cross, the empty tomb, and Christ being seated at the right hand of the Father. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I know that these ornaments have been a labor of love for you, over the last four years, as you\u2019ve been creating these. Really, what is behind it is\u2014at one level, it\u2019s a desire to see a home made beautiful, and with a beautiful story behind it. At another level, it\u2019s an opportunity for moms and dads to tell that beautiful story over and over again to their kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>It\u2019s really about proclaiming Christ at Christmas. I think so many of us in America understand and sense that we\u2019ve gotten way off track when it comes to celebrating Christmas, and we don\u2019t know how to get back on track. The real reason for these ornaments is to help families make Christ the focus of their Christmas holiday. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy hanging these ornaments on the tree, you can have all kinds of conversations with your children about what that name means\u2014why Jesus is our Redeemer \/ \u201cWhy do the Arabic people or the Hebrew people need to recognize the name, Jesus, in their language?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s really about proclaiming His name, first, in your home to your family, but then, to any who visit. We all have people coming and going in and out of our homes at Christmas. What a great opportunity to invite people in. They look at your tree, and it looks very different than most trees that you see around because they can read the names and realize that your tree is all about Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The ornaments that you\u2019ve created this year\u2014the names of Jesus in five languages\u2014there\u2019s Mandarin, there\u2019s Russian, there\u2019s Arabic, there\u2019s Spanish, and then, there\u2019s the Hebrew language. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd talking about the nation of Israel, we have a friend of ours, who lives in Israel, and who knows a little bit about what is going on in Israel; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Just a little something. Barbara and I had the privilege of spending a little time with Joel Rosenberg at his Epicenter Conference in Jerusalem back in 2008. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJoel, I can\u2019t believe it was that long ago. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I can\u2019t either. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>I know. It feels like forever ago now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We had a lot of fun with him, along with a few other friends of his\u2014about 2,000 of them were there. [Laughter] He did a great job of taking people\u2014all of us\u2014around to various places in Israel and just celebrating the nation that gave us our Savior. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Some of our listeners will recognize his name. He is the author of more than ten best-selling novels, including <em>New York Times<\/em> best-selling novels. He is a Bible teacher as well as a novelist. As I said, he is now an expat living in Israel. Joel, tell everybody why you decided to relocate and move back to Israel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Yes, well, actually, technically, we\u2019re not even expats. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have become citizens of the state of Israel. I\u2019m Jewish on my father\u2019s side \/ a Gentile on my mom\u2019s side. Obviously, as you just said, we\u2019re followers of the Messiah\u2014the Lord Jesus Christ. And several years ago, my wife Lynn and I\u2014after much prayer\u2014really sensed that the Holy Spirit was telling us it was time to join our people back here in Israel. Now, we\u2019re dual citizens. So, we\u2019re fully U.S. citizens and Israelis. So, we get to vote twice. It\u2019s sort of like living in Chicago. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh!\u00a0 [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Oh!\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>So, that\u2019s exciting\u2014sorry to my Chicago friends. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>But anyway, it\u2019s been challenging. It\u2019s exciting, certainly, to come here and live here in the epicenter\u2014where the Bible was written \/ where it\u2019s all going to come to an end here. It\u2019s also been very challenging for our children. We\u2019ve got four sons. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEach of them has had their challenges\u2014but the younger two in particular. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt all looks simpler in Genesis 12\u2014leave your nation, leave your father\u2019s home, go to the land I will show you. Now, we\u2019re learning how hard that really is. But it\u2019s a great honor to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, Abraham and Sarah didn\u2019t have any children when they moved from Ur to Israel; did they?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>No, they didn\u2019t; and maybe, that was why the Lord had them be barren for a while until He was going to do something miraculous. [Laughter]\u00a0 But they had resources and they had faith\u2014that\u2019s the key. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>And faith is the key. That\u2019s what we are so grateful for\u2014that we <em>know<\/em>, from the many things that God did, that this is exactly what we are supposed to be doing\u2014hardships and all. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Joel, you mentioned you have a Jewish father and a Gentile mother. How did you come to be a follower of Jesus Christ?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Well, the heart of that is really the salvation of my parents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, God did a miraculous work in my heart; but it\u2019s really because I saw them changing so dramatically. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy father was born and raised in an Orthodox Jewish family in Brooklyn. My mom\u2019s family was, actually, born and raised in upstate New York in a little town called Rome. When they met and married in 1965, and had me in 1967, they really were an agnostic Orthodox Jew\u2014I know you don\u2019t really hear that term often\u2014and an agnostic Methodist trying to figure out their way in the \u201860s. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut eventually, they heard the gospel clearly\u2014and my mom, first, and then, six months later, my father became\u2014both of them became followers of the Lord Jesus Christ. And over the next several years, I saw them change <em>so<\/em> <em>much<\/em>. I gave my life to the Lord Jesus at the age of eight. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, that was a big game-changer in our family\u2014especially, I have to say, my father\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014thought he was the first Jew since the Apostle Paul to believe this stuff; right?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 I mean, he\u2019d never heard of a Jewish person who believed in Jesus. He\u2019d certainly never <em>met<\/em> one in 1973, when he made that decision\u2014really, there weren\u2019t that many\u2014but that is changing dramatically. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Joel, you\u2019ve had the opportunity to go through December in the United States, and now, to go live through a December in Israel. How are those experiences different?\u00a0 How is Christmas\u2014is it observed at all?\u00a0 Is it a part of the culture in Israel?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Well, you know, one of my favorite parts of growing up in the United States\u2014and certainly, my wife\u2019s favorite\u2014was Christmas. We just love the season. We love going out to the woods with our boys and chopping down a Christmas tree and getting it all ready and reading the Bible stories. Even in the secularization of America\u2014just being in a hotel and hearing Christmas carols\u2014there is something special about it\u2014I mean, even though we\u2019re saddened by all the commercialization and such. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo come to Israel is quite striking, I have to tell you, because it\u2019s as though this event never happened. I mean, the Jewish people in Israel do not celebrate Christmas. Arab Christians\u2014and there are quite a few here in Israel\u2014the Christians do celebrate Christmas. So, if you go to Nazareth or Bethlehem, there are Christmas trees, and lights, and celebrations; but our main holidays from the Scriptures\u2014or at least, from Jewish tradition\u2014is Hanukkah. That\u2019s called the Feast of Dedication. So, that\u2019s really the December celebration the Jews observe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>But it is a little sad to us that our people don\u2019t know that the Messiah came and was born in the town of Bethlehem, just as the Hebrew prophet, Micah, told us He would be and so forth. Our people don\u2019t know it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s part of why we are here\u2014to share that with anyone and everyone who will listen\u2014and even those who would prefer not to listen but need to know that good news. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Joel, tell our listeners a little bit about what you see happening, spiritually, among the Jewish people. I know there are some websites with stories of Jewish people who have met the Messiah and who are believing on Jesus in increasing numbers. Tell us a little bit about that\u2014about how you do see things changing in a pretty dramatic way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Joel: <\/strong>Yes\u2014well, Barbara, that is one of the most exciting developments of the last 2,000 years. There is no way to <em>overstate<\/em> it actually. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>That\u2019s interesting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>This is the most open the Jewish people have been to the Messiah in 2,000 years. Let me give you an example\u2014first, by context. In 1948, when the state of Israel was dramatically\/supernaturally reborn as a geopolitical nation state\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014just as the Prophet Ezekiel said it would be and the other prophets said it would be\u2014there were only about two dozen Jewish followers of Jesus in the whole land of Israel\u2014two dozen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, in Israel today, there are about 15,000 Jewish believers in Jesus\u2014or Messianic Jews. Then, worldwide\u2014we\u2019ve gone from about 2,000 to about 300,000\u2014worldwide Jewish believers in Jesus. So, again, in a world of 14-and-a-half million Jewish people, 300,000 is not enough; but we\u2019re moving suddenly\/dramatically in the right direction. There is an openness that we\u2019ve just never seen before\u2014curiosity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, for those of us who study the Bible, we know that the Bible prophesies say that, the closer we get to the return of the Messiah, the more hunger there will be among all people\u2014as well as Jewish people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Joel, I\u2019ve been to Israel a couple of times. The first time I went was 1971, which obviously was shortly after Israel really began to flourish as a nation. When I went the first time, I have to tell you\u2014I really expected, as I set foot on that soil\u2014because of reading the Old Testament and the life of Christ\u2014I expected an intensely spiritual group of people in Israel. But their Sabbath\/Saturday was just like a Sabbath we\u2019d have here on the beach. People didn\u2019t go to the Wailing Wall. They didn\u2019t seem to be celebrating the Bible and what God had commanded them to do in terms of worshiping Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tComment on that. I know you\u2019re talking about on the positive side; but just how far they\u2019ve got to go, in terms of truly becoming more of a spiritual country, where the Lord, Our God, is their God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Yes.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, this is one of the great heartaches for my wife and me, and our kids, and our friends\u2014is that the Jewish people, both in Israel and around the world, don\u2019t know the very Messiah that was promised to us and who has come and has transformed so many of our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIsrael is a largely secular nation. Now, there is a strong Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox movement here. That\u2019s probably less than 25 percent of the population. So, we\u2019re still in the phase where most of the country is either secular or just not observant of the Bible; but we\u2019re also in that phase where the Holy Spirit is <em>moving<\/em>. There is an interest and the growing acceptance of Messiah Jesus. So, it\u2019s in fulfillment of prophecy, but it wasn\u2019t being done because people thought they were fulfilling prophecy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd that I think is so interesting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We\u2019re talking with Joel Rosenberg, who is the author of a number of best-selling books, and who lives in Israel. We\u2019re talking about what God is doing in Israel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJoel, in the part of the world where we live, there is not rocket-fire and mortar-fire \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t50 miles away from our home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Amen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There\u2019s not genocide going on 150 miles away from where we live; and yet, that\u2019s what you face on a daily basis\u2014you and your family. You are living in a dangerous part of the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Yes. It\u2019s a conundrum, really, because, on the one hand, Israel is the most targeted country in the world. I mean, there are so many nation-states and terror groups that say: \u201cWe\u2019re going to wipe Israel off the map. We\u2019re going to annihilate the Jewish people.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s being said, and weapon systems and militaries are being developed in order to accomplish that. So, that\u2019s true; and we do face terrorism and attacks, from time to time\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that is all true. Yet, people go about their lives, day to day, and God\u2019s hand of <em>grace<\/em> is on this country\u2014even though not every Israeli, yet, understands the mercy of God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I will tell you, Dennis\u2014it\u2019s true that, when we moved to Israel, our flight\u2014we booked our tickets months in advance for this preparation. We arrived in the middle of August of 2014. It just happened to be the month where 4,538 rockets and missiles were being fired at our new country. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Normally, you wouldn\u2019t move to a country or even go to a country that was under missile attack, but God had told us to do it. We felt peace. The boys were supportive\u2014we all did it. And I\u2019ve got to tell you\u2014that opened up so many doors. People said: \u201cYou\u2019re moving <em>here<\/em> from America during a war?\u00a0 Why?\u00a0 Who are you people?\u00a0 We want to move <em>there<\/em>.\u201d\u00a0 And this opened conversations about our love for our Messiah and opened doors in ways we wouldn\u2019t have anticipated. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe didn\u2019t want to move during a war \/ we never even thought of that; but God is doing something special here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLook, for Israelis\u2014there\u2019s nowhere else to go; alright?\u00a0 And I think part of that is why I feel\u2014I\u2019m grateful that the Lord wanted us to be here\u2014and not just be here as expats, for example, but as citizens who\u2014yes, we have another passport \/ we <em>could<\/em> go\u2014but we believe that God wants us to be here to go through what our people are going through because they are going through it <em>without<\/em> the Holy Spirit, <em>without<\/em> the peace that surpasses understanding \/ the hope that\u2019s an anchor for our souls, without wisdom from above that only comes from Messiah Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, I want to encourage our listeners to pray for Joel\u2014for his family\u2019s safety and continued cultural adaptation to another country. And Joel, I just appreciate you, as a follower of Christ, and the compassion you\u2019ve expressed through the Joshua Fund\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014helping reach out to people in Israel with humanitarian aid as well as the gospel \/ as well as talking with them about Jesus Christ. Just appreciate you, as a fellow follower of Christ, and also as a friend. Appreciate your being on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Well, Dennis, and Barbara, and Bob, thank you so much. It\u2019s an honor to be able to talk about these things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just add one note, which is\u2014please also pray for our Arab brothers and sisters in Christ and the Arab Muslims, here, who don\u2019t yet know Christ. There are so many tensions between Jews and Arabs. My experience is that, <em>only<\/em> in Christ, can we find unity. As much as God is doing work among the Jews in Israel, He is working among the Arabs also. That\u2019s a story that\u2019s not often told, and it should be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Didn\u2019t Isaiah say something about Him being the Prince of Peace?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Amen! [Laughter]\u00a0 And that means that\u2014not only do we have to get reconciled and have peace with God through Christ\u2014we\u2019ve got to have reconciliation with our brothers and sisters\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>\u2014and unity. We don\u2019t have to agree on every issue\u2014on eschatology \/ on the land\u2014but we have to <em>love<\/em> our Arab brothers and sisters and <em>serve<\/em> them. That\u2019s an important part of what the Joshua Fund does. We try to provide food, and clothing, and medical supplies, and build the church \/ strengthen the church, rather, here. We try to work with both sides. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Joel\u2014thanks for the time today. Thanks for sharing with our listeners. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Thank you so much. Bless you guys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>See you later. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Appreciate you. Bye-bye. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Thanks, Joel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Bye. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Joel: <\/strong>Thank you. Bye-bye. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And I think, too, every time, during the Christmas season, that I look at the name of Jesus in Hebrew on my Christmas tree, I\u2019ll think about the conversation that we were able to have today. It is exciting to hear about God at work in the land of the patriarchs\u2014in the land of Jesus; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>It really is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I think we need to be reminded that God is at work in Israel. We may be looking at the headlines of the newspaper\u2014and we don\u2019t know what\u2019s taking place in the spiritual realm\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but He is at work. God\u2019s not done with them. He\u2019s got a plan for that nation and for that section of the world, and I\u2019m just glad I know who wins in the end!\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I know who wins, and I\u2019m not talking about Israel\u2014I\u2019m talking about God. He\u2019s coming back, and He\u2019s not coming back to take sides. He\u2019s coming back to take over; and He desires our lives, our sacrifice, our obedience. Bob, that\u2019s what Christmas is all about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, I hope our listeners will take the opportunity to go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and see what Barbara has created this year with Jesus\u2019 name in five different languages on five different ornaments that you can hang on your Christmas tree. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com and look at the Adorenaments, not only this year\u2019s collection, but past years are available as well. You can order from us, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or if you\u2019d like to order by phone, call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDecorate your Christmas tree with the names of Jesus\u2014have your own Jesus tree this year. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSomething else you wanted to say; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There is. Christmas is about God\u2019s generosity <em>toward<\/em> us. We\u2019re turning toward you, as a listener, and asking you to give to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> to keep us on the air. And the bottom line is\u2014your generosity changes lives, it <em>transforms<\/em> marriages, and it creates a godly legacy for future generations. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re just coming to you, here at the end of the year, because over a third of our donations come in December; and we need your help \/ I need your help. We\u2019re doing something that is countercultural, right now, as never before. We\u2019re talking about God\u2019s design for marriage and family\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and equipping moms and dads \/ husbands and wives with how to do marriage God\u2019s way. And if you\u2019d like to help us do that\u2014I\u2019d like to encourage you to pick up a phone, or go online, or pick up an envelope and write out a check\u2014and be generous because your generosity changes lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and right now, when you make a donation to FamilyLife, your generosity will be multiplied. We\u2019ve had some friends of the ministry who have come to us and they have offered, during the month of December, to effectively triple every donation that comes in during the month. So, when you make a donation of $10, they are going to add $20 of their own; and we wind up receiving $30 for your $10 donated. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we\u2019re trying to take full advantage of this matching gift that they\u2019ve capped at \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t$2 million. For us to take advantage of it, we need to hear from as many listeners as possible. We\u2019d ask you to be as generous as you can possibly be, knowing that every dollar you donate, there are two additional dollars that will come our way as a result of your generosity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can donate, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or you can call 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 And as Dennis said, you can mail your donation to us at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And Bob, I just want to remind our listeners this is an international ministry\u2014we\u2019ve been talking about it all week. We\u2019re in 109 countries of the world. In the last \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t12 months, we\u2019ve touched around 18 million lives. Now, we didn\u2019t change every one of those lives\u2014God does the changing\u2014but I just want to remind our listeners: \u201cWhen you give, that kind of ministry occurs today, it occurs tomorrow, and it\u2019ll occur next year. Stand with us so we can make a difference for Jesus Christ in marriages and families.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and we hope you have a great weekend too. We hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend. And I hope you can join us back on Monday because we\u2019re going to have a good friend join us in the studio. Dr. Tony Evans is going to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Get your seatbelt on! [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s going to be a great conversation as we talk about\u2014we\u2019re going to talk more about Jesus because, when you have Tony Evans on, that\u2019s what you\u2019re going to talk about. No matter what the subject is\u2014you\u2019re going to talk about Jesus. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2015 FamilyLife. 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