{"id":303764,"date":"2015-12-02T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-12-02T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/god-at-work-in-latin-america\/"},"modified":"2015-12-02T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2015-12-02T17:00:00","slug":"god-at-work-in-latin-america","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/god-at-work-in-latin-america\/","title":{"rendered":"God at Work in Latin America"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Family is an international language. Pastor Fernando Lay talks about the problems facing believers in Latin America. 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Thanks for joining us on the Wednesday edition\u2014Wednesday, December 2<sup>nd<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re talking, this week, about Christmas all around the world. And one of my sons had the opportunity, when he was a college student, to spend a semester studying abroad. He studied in Scotland\u2014he loved it\u2014but what he really loved was on spring break that year when he travelled around Europe. He called me; and he said, \u201cI now, have more stamps on my passport than you have on yours.\u201d\u00a0 He was pretty proud of the fact that he had been to more countries than\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That can occur pretty quickly\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, he got there quick. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014in Europe. Well, speaking of more countries,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes?\u00a0 <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014how many countries do you think are Spanish-speaking, Bob?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019m going to say that there are 43 countries. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIs that right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Forty-four. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Forty-four!\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>This is getting boring\u2014this is absolutely getting boring. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Oh, yes, I forgot that one!\u00a0 That\u2019s right\u2014there are 44. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, there you go. You counted them really quickly; didn\u2019t you?\u00a0 Yes, 329 million Spanish speakers in 44 countries. The reason I know that is because Barbara\u2019s joining us today, here on the broadcast. Welcome, sweetheart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Thank you, dear. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I love the woman who is on the broadcast, Bob. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I know you do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m really proud of her. But she\u2019s created some Adorenaments<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> which help families communicate Christ, here at Christmastime. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And in case a listener doesn\u2019t know what an Adorenament is\u2014that is an ornament that you hang on your Christmas tree that is all about Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And there are now 26 of them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I believe that\u2019s the correct math. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There are different names in the Bible\u2014in fact, there are over 300 names of Jesus in the Bible. She\u2019s created these Adorenaments to remind us of who made Christmas famous and to help families truly celebrate the season. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was reminded about this when I got a letter from a <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listener who said: \u201cI listen to you guys every day. You encourage me to be a better husband and spiritual leader in my house. You have given me the tools needed to be the man God wants me to be. Thank you!\u201d\u00a0 What I want our listeners to know is\u2014especially the listeners who participate in this ministry by being a Legacy Partner \/ that\u2019s a monthly donor\u2014or if you make a yearend contribution\u2014you are participating in ministry like that in this man\u2019s life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re going to talk about that today as we talk about some new tools that parents can use with their kids \/ their grandkids to pass on their faith in tangible ways. Ornaments get passed on, Bob; and these, I believe, are going to get passed down to generations if Jesus Christ doesn\u2019t come back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The month of December is a pretty critical month for us, here at FamilyLife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It is. We\u2019re dependent on you, as a listener, to raise your hand and say: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\u201cYou know what?\u00a0 I want to keep you guys and Barbara continuing to create broadcasts and resources like this for me and my family so that we can be successful\u2014as husbands and wives, moms and dads, and grandparents\u2014in passing on our faith to future generations.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got to do this folks. The family is in the crosshairs of the enemy, and he wants to destroy a Christian legacy before it has a chance to germinate. Would you stand with us?\u00a0 Would you make a yearend gift?\u00a0 We\u2019ve got a special match that\u2014well, why don\u2019t you tell them about it, Bob?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Just had some friends of the ministry who came to us and said that they are willing to match every donation we receive, during the month of December; and they are going to do it double. Basically, if you give a $25 donation, they give a $50 donation. If you give $100, they give $200. Whatever you do, they\u2019ll double it. We\u2019re asking our listeners, \u201cWould you make as generous a gift as possible so that we can take full advantage of this matching gift?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe fund goes up to $2 million, and we want to take advantage of that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can do it by going to FamilyLifeToday.com and making a donation, online, right now; or you can call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY,\u201d\u2014make your donation over the phone and be a part of what God is doing through this ministry as we seek to provide help and hope for marriages and families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And let me just say, \u201cThanks,\u201d to those of you who have already given this year. You keep this broadcast on stations all across the country proclaiming Christ at a needy time in our country\u2019s history. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>And I am holding the Adorenament that is in the name of Jesus in the Spanish language. That\u2019s how I knew there were 44 Spanish-speaking countries and 329 million Spanish-speaking speakers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Barbara, you have that printed\u2014in fact, on the back of each of these ornaments, where you\u2019ve put the name of Jesus in a different language, you have given us a little bit of information about each of the countries or each of the people groups that are represented here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes, that\u2019s right because I think, as we\u2019ve said, most of us don\u2019t have a good appreciation for how many people speak these other languages. I think it\u2019s real helpful for us to broaden our understanding of who makes up this planet on which we live. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And a number of our resources are translated into Spanish. I know, Barbara, you wanted to do the Adorenaments in these languages just to remind parents so they could tell their children that Christmas is not just an American holiday. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Christmas is an international holiday. He didn\u2019t just come for a certain people group. He didn\u2019t just come for His people\u2014He came for the whole world. Seeing His name in other languages reminds us, as Americans\u2014when we hang these ornaments on our tree\u2014it reminds us that Jesus did, in fact, come at Christmas for every people in every tribe and in every language of the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, do you have some Spanish-speaking countries stamped on your passport?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I have one which would be Mexico. We have not been to South America \/ I have not been to South America. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Central America\u2014not been to Central America?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And never been to Spain?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>No, and I don\u2019t know why; but we haven\u2019t. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, we don\u2019t have anybody who lives in Spain joining us today; but we do have on the line with us someone who speaks Spanish. He\u2019s actually a listener to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014he listens to <em>Vida en Familia Hoy<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> broadcasts throughout Central and South America. This is the pastor of Iglesia Evang\u00e9lica de I\u00f1aquito. Did I say that right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We have Pastor Fernando Lay on the line with us. Pastor Lay\u2014great to have you joining us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Nice meeting you and nice sharing with you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And Fernando, I am told that you actually listen to <em>Vida en Familia Hoy<\/em> on the radio?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Now, Bob, some of our listeners don\u2019t know what that is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong><em>Vida en Familia Hoy<\/em> is the Spanish-language version of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, which is broadcast throughout Central and South America on shortwave radio and on local radio stations. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSomebody told me you\u2019re listening to our program. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Certainly. <em>Vida en Familia Hoy<\/em> is broadcast by HCJB. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>And our church is across the street from HCJB. [Laughter] They are our closest friends. So, my wife and I listen to the radio program at quarter to five in the morning. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Actually, Bob Lepine\u2019s Spanish version wakes us up. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s a frightening thought. [Laughter]\u00a0 You\u2019ve been listening for how long?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Oh, at least two years\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u2014regularly\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u2014especially since we got in touch with FamilyLife ministry, here through Campus Crusade [for Christ<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>]. Armando Tamayo, who is the Director for Campus Crusade in Ecuador, offered us the materials and everything. So, we really got to know and appreciate everything that FamilyLife is offering. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Wonderful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, tell us about the issues facing families in Latin America. Are they similar\u2014are the issues we are addressing on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> relevant in the culture in which you are ministering?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Yes, very much. I think that the problems that you address are global. We have in Ecuador, for example\u2014in the last ten years, marriages have grown about \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t17 percent; but divorce has grown in 93 percent\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Oh, wow!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh my!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u2014in Ecuador. That\u2019s what the official statistics say. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Fernando, the church, here in America, is attempting to address the breakdown of the family here in our country. I know you must be doing the same in yours. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe created a resource\u2014I\u2019m just wondering if you\u2019ve had a chance to see it and use it because it has been translated into your language\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014the Spanish language. It\u2019s called <em>The Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014a video series that can be shown in an event or in a small group setting with couples. Have you heard about that and used that in your church?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Not yet\u2014we are very much interested. In fact, let me tell you that our church is 60 years old; but the last three years, we have been shifting our priorities. Another vision\u2014start by saying, \u201cWe are here to disciple families.\u201d\u00a0 With that, we started doing a family congress once a year in the month of April. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve also created a network\u2014a coalition. Right now, we have seven specialized ministers on family. And one of them is Campus Crusade and FamilyLife, of course. This network has the goal of mobilizing and motivating the local churches to minister to the family, which is something that we didn\u2019t do in the past. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope to share materials\/videos. We are just encouraging local churches to get into this movement towards the family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Fernando, for a number of years, I have made the statement\u2014actually, for a number of decades\u2014I\u2019ve said, \u201cFamily is an international language.\u201d\u00a0 Families are families regardless of the culture. They have profound spiritual needs that, I think, were designed by God that only He can meet in the person of Jesus Christ and through the gospel of Christ. That\u2019s what we\u2019ve been attempting to do in more than 109 countries around the world\u2014yours included\u2014as well as back here in the States. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I am absolutely thrilled that your church has targeted discipling families because families are the generational connectors of the gospel and taking the reality of the Bible and the truth about God to future generations. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>I really praise the Lord for your ministry. We thank you for what you are doing because we have suffered\u2014what I consider now a <em>wrong<\/em> model for the church and discipleship. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me make very clear\u2014I have a deep gratitude for missionaries who brought the gospel here. I was saved thanks to missionaries from Scotland and United States\u2014that was 50 some years ago. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the church has developed a very individualistic model\u2014separating the family. The model of Christian education that I learned at the Bible seminary was: \u201cMake a department for children, another one for young people, women here, and the men over there.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe separated the family \/ we fragmented the family. I think that was very, very wrong. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s why, three years ago, we rediscovered biblical principles that have guided us to work \/ edify the church through families. We believe that healthy families will be a natural and powerful witness to the entire society. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And I\u2019m just curious about how God is at work in Central and in South America. Here, in the United States, we\u2019re seeing an increase in the number of people who no longer consider themselves affiliated with any religion. They say, \u201cWe\u2019re not interested in religion.\u201d\u00a0 We still see God at work, obviously; but it does feel like the church and its influence here is shrinking. What\u2019s it like where you are?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Of course, in Latin America, we always follow what happens in United States or Europe. So, some leaders on the universities\/government\u2014they think that we are progressing when we follow or imitate what you just mentioned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>And it\u2019s a sad thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>At the same time, you are seeing God at work in the lives of lots of people all around South America and into Latin America; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Yes, the church is growing; but let me make a difference\u2014there are some churches that represent the tendency of prosperity, preaching a very <em>light<\/em> gospel\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u2014of all blessings, all happiness, all material benefits. They don\u2019t preach about the cross. They don\u2019t preach about suffering. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey don\u2019t do much of social ministry for the poor, et cetera. Unfortunately, that model of church is also growing. There are more people in the church, but they do not really understand what it means to be the church of Jesus Christ. Christianity is becoming very superficial. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut we still have a strong movement of the evangelical Bible-based churches. The key of all this is the mobilization of all the believers who understand that their job is not done by pastors, or missionaries, or evangelists. We\u2019re trying to mobilize the believer, and that goes through the family and training disciples. We are especially strong on relational evangelism\u2014more than campaigns or one-man crusade; you know?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think you are going at it the right way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA grassroots spiritual awakening will occur when individuals, and couples, and families begin to proclaim Christ to their next door neighbors,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014to their people at work, to their friends at school. And there is nothing more powerful in your country or in ours than a marriage and a family\u2014even in their imperfections and in the ways that they don\u2019t match up\u2014of following Christ and making Him Lord of their home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>How do families in your part of the world\u2014how do they celebrate Christmas?\u00a0 And the reason we wanted to talk about that with you is that we started creating a set of ornaments to help families communicate the gospel. So, we wanted to find out a little bit about what you do because the ornaments are all about Jesus. They are the names of Jesus that are made into ornament shapes to be able to hang on a Christmas tree. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Well, of course, we have to struggle \/ we have to battle against the influence of commercial Christmas and all the businesses who are two months early\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014already presenting their special offers; you know?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u201cBuy now, pay in March.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, we, as a church\u2014we\u2019re always preaching, especially in November\u2014we start preaching against materialism \/ hedonism\u2014try to strengthen the good values. The spiritual meaning of Christmas\u2014we try to explain. We are not legalists. We\u2019re not preaching <em>against<\/em> certain traditions. We let the people choose how they want to\u2014but we always say: \u201cMake sure that you have the meaning of Christmas made clear. And if you can, leave aside all the secondary trivial things around Christmas.\u201d\u00a0 <br><br>But this year\u2014for example, we usually, as most churches, we had the tremendous effort\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014investing time, people, and money\u2014on making a big celebration for Christmas\u2014you know, using drama, and the concert, and this, and that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>This year, we changed everything. We\u2019re preparing a DVD\u2014a video production of 25 minutes. You see a little bit of music, a little bit of drama, and an evangelistic message. We are hoping to get at least 500 families involved to use this DVD to have home meetings \/ family meetings\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A Christmas party. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u2014a Christmas party\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u2014with relatives, neighbors, for adults \/ for children\u2014and just let them put the DVD on their television set and evangelize. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s great. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>I would say is, \u201cThe best way to honor Jesus at Christmas\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cis to let His purpose of for coming to this world\u2014to bring more people to the Kingdom.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I think if we lived in Quito, we\u2019d probably all come to your church. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>You\u2019re all welcome. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m going to get to your country someday. When I do, I\u2019m going to look you up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m going to knock on your door at 5:15\u2014[Laughter]\u2014at a quarter \u2018til 5\u2014and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and wake you up in person rather than having our broadcast wake you up there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Sure!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I want to say one thing just for a moment, Fernando\u2014back to folks, here in America, who financially give to make <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible here in the States. I want you to know\u2014especially you, Legacy Partners\u2014when you give, you make it possible for us to put our broadcast on in Quito, Ecuador. You are making <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> heard on the internet in dozens of countries around the world. And Bob, I just want to say, \u201cThanks,\u201d to folks for giving and standing with us in this ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, this is a part of how we try to be good stewards of the money that is invested, here at FamilyLife, because we believe that God wants every home to be a godly home. And that\u2019s our goal\u2014is to see families re-centered on God\u2019s Word\u2014first bowing their knee to Him, and then loving and serving one another, and then looking outward to the neighborhood and the culture and saying, \u201cThis is what God made us for and let\u2019s embrace it.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Let me add our gratitude to the donors of FamilyLife because that investment is making possible for you to develop materials, the radio program, and literature\u2014that, now, we are using in Latin America, reaching hundreds and thousands of families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It is leaders, like you on the frontlines, grabbing the tools \/ grabbing the resources that we create, and you\u2019re using them. I just applaud your leadership. Thanks a bunch. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThank you. It\u2019s so nice to get to know you. God bless you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And I hope, too, that we get a chance someday to come down to Ecuador because I\u2019d love, not only to see what\u2019s happening in the church there, but I\u2019d love to be able to tour the radio studio that is feeding <em>Vida en Familia Hoy<\/em> to countries throughout Central and Latin America. <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf the languages that are on the ornaments that you\u2019ve created, Barbara, the one we have the closest kinship to is Spanish. We know more Spanish speakers than any other language, and half of us took Spanish when we were in high school; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes; and we probably all know a few Spanish words, here and there, or we see them in print, or hear them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, like enchilada or burrito. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Taco. [Laughter] And we have more Spanish neighbors than we probably do the other languages as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, we have, undoubtedly\u2014well, I can\u2019t say more Spanish-speaking listeners\u2014but we are heard in more than two dozen countries that are Spanish-speaking. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tListen to these countries\u2014Argentina, Aruba, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico, Spain, Uruguay, and Venezuela. I mean, we\u2019ve got quite a listening audience. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m glad that there is a guy that we pay to do the Spanish-speaking Dennis in these countries. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Rather than you doing your Spanish?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I don\u2019t do Spanish very well. It is as\u00ed-as\u00ed\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014so-so. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s what I\u2019d encourage our listeners to do\u2014join us in the end-of-year match and make a generous donation. Keep us on the air, here in America, and in these Spanish-speaking countries. As you give your gift, also order a set of \u201cHis Name Among the Nations\u201d Adorenaments\u2014Barbara\u2019s creation of some of the most widely-spoken languages in the world\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014Adorenaments that will help your family get a vision for the world and talk freshly about John 3:16: \u201cFor God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but shall have everlasting life.\u201d\u00a0 What a great message, here at Christmastime, Bob. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And certainly, when you see these ornaments on your tree, you can go, \u201cThat\u2019s Arabic,\u201d\u2014gives you a prompt to pray for people who are in the Middle East \/ people who are Arabic speakers\u2014pray that they might come to know Christ at Christmas. When you see the Jesus name in Hebrew, you can pray for the peace of Jerusalem. When you see the Spanish name of Jesus or you see it in Mandarin, you can pray for the people groups that are represented there as a part of how you celebrate the Christmas holidays. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and see the ornaments that Barbara has created. All you have to do is click on the link for Ever Thine Home<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, the website, FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014you can also call to order a set of ornaments. Our toll-free number is 1-800-FL-TODAY\u20141-800-358-6329. Again, it\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 Or order, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then, don\u2019t forget what Dennis talked about earlier. We have a special matching-gift opportunity that\u2019s available for those of you who would like to support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, here at yearend. Your yearend contributions are important for us, as a ministry. In fact, when you make a donation today, that donation is going to be matched and effectively tripled. So, if you are able to make a $25 donation today, these friends of the ministry have said they\u2019ll match that with a $50 donation. Whatever you are able to do, they will triple the amount. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, would you consider going to FamilyLifeToday.com and making an online donation?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014make your donation over the phone. Or you can mail a donation to us at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; the zip code is 72223. And we hope to hear from you. Hope you can help support us, here at yearend. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you can be back with us tomorrow when we\u2019re going to talk about how God is at work in the 10\/40 Window. We\u2019ll look at how people in the Middle East are hearing the gospel, and I hope you can join us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2015 FamilyLife. 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But she\u2019s created some Adorenaments<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> which help families communicate Christ, here at Christmastime. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And in case a listener doesn\u2019t know what an Adorenament is\u2014that is an ornament that you hang on your Christmas tree that is all about Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And there are now 26 of them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I believe that\u2019s the correct math. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There are different names in the Bible\u2014in fact, there are over 300 names of Jesus in the Bible. She\u2019s created these Adorenaments to remind us of who made Christmas famous and to help families truly celebrate the season. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was reminded about this when I got a letter from a <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listener who said: \u201cI listen to you guys every day. You encourage me to be a better husband and spiritual leader in my house. You have given me the tools needed to be the man God wants me to be. Thank you!\u201d\u00a0 What I want our listeners to know is\u2014especially the listeners who participate in this ministry by being a Legacy Partner \/ that\u2019s a monthly donor\u2014or if you make a yearend contribution\u2014you are participating in ministry like that in this man\u2019s life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re going to talk about that today as we talk about some new tools that parents can use with their kids \/ their grandkids to pass on their faith in tangible ways. Ornaments get passed on, Bob; and these, I believe, are going to get passed down to generations if Jesus Christ doesn\u2019t come back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The month of December is a pretty critical month for us, here at FamilyLife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It is. We\u2019re dependent on you, as a listener, to raise your hand and say: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\u201cYou know what?\u00a0 I want to keep you guys and Barbara continuing to create broadcasts and resources like this for me and my family so that we can be successful\u2014as husbands and wives, moms and dads, and grandparents\u2014in passing on our faith to future generations.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got to do this folks. The family is in the crosshairs of the enemy, and he wants to destroy a Christian legacy before it has a chance to germinate. Would you stand with us?\u00a0 Would you make a yearend gift?\u00a0 We\u2019ve got a special match that\u2014well, why don\u2019t you tell them about it, Bob?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Just had some friends of the ministry who came to us and said that they are willing to match every donation we receive, during the month of December; and they are going to do it double. Basically, if you give a $25 donation, they give a $50 donation. If you give $100, they give $200. Whatever you do, they\u2019ll double it. We\u2019re asking our listeners, \u201cWould you make as generous a gift as possible so that we can take full advantage of this matching gift?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe fund goes up to $2 million, and we want to take advantage of that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can do it by going to FamilyLifeToday.com and making a donation, online, right now; or you can call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY,\u201d\u2014make your donation over the phone and be a part of what God is doing through this ministry as we seek to provide help and hope for marriages and families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And let me just say, \u201cThanks,\u201d to those of you who have already given this year. You keep this broadcast on stations all across the country proclaiming Christ at a needy time in our country\u2019s history. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>And I am holding the Adorenament that is in the name of Jesus in the Spanish language. That\u2019s how I knew there were 44 Spanish-speaking countries and 329 million Spanish-speaking speakers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Barbara, you have that printed\u2014in fact, on the back of each of these ornaments, where you\u2019ve put the name of Jesus in a different language, you have given us a little bit of information about each of the countries or each of the people groups that are represented here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes, that\u2019s right because I think, as we\u2019ve said, most of us don\u2019t have a good appreciation for how many people speak these other languages. I think it\u2019s real helpful for us to broaden our understanding of who makes up this planet on which we live. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And a number of our resources are translated into Spanish. I know, Barbara, you wanted to do the Adorenaments in these languages just to remind parents so they could tell their children that Christmas is not just an American holiday. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Christmas is an international holiday. He didn\u2019t just come for a certain people group. He didn\u2019t just come for His people\u2014He came for the whole world. Seeing His name in other languages reminds us, as Americans\u2014when we hang these ornaments on our tree\u2014it reminds us that Jesus did, in fact, come at Christmas for every people in every tribe and in every language of the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, do you have some Spanish-speaking countries stamped on your passport?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I have one which would be Mexico. We have not been to South America \/ I have not been to South America. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Central America\u2014not been to Central America?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And never been to Spain?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>No, and I don\u2019t know why; but we haven\u2019t. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, we don\u2019t have anybody who lives in Spain joining us today; but we do have on the line with us someone who speaks Spanish. He\u2019s actually a listener to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014he listens to <em>Vida en Familia Hoy<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> broadcasts throughout Central and South America. This is the pastor of Iglesia Evang\u00e9lica de I\u00f1aquito. Did I say that right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We have Pastor Fernando Lay on the line with us. Pastor Lay\u2014great to have you joining us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Nice meeting you and nice sharing with you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And Fernando, I am told that you actually listen to <em>Vida en Familia Hoy<\/em> on the radio?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Now, Bob, some of our listeners don\u2019t know what that is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong><em>Vida en Familia Hoy<\/em> is the Spanish-language version of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, which is broadcast throughout Central and South America on shortwave radio and on local radio stations. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSomebody told me you\u2019re listening to our program. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Certainly. <em>Vida en Familia Hoy<\/em> is broadcast by HCJB. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>And our church is across the street from HCJB. [Laughter] They are our closest friends. So, my wife and I listen to the radio program at quarter to five in the morning. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Actually, Bob Lepine\u2019s Spanish version wakes us up. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s a frightening thought. [Laughter]\u00a0 You\u2019ve been listening for how long?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Oh, at least two years\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u2014regularly\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u2014especially since we got in touch with FamilyLife ministry, here through Campus Crusade [for Christ<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>]. Armando Tamayo, who is the Director for Campus Crusade in Ecuador, offered us the materials and everything. So, we really got to know and appreciate everything that FamilyLife is offering. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Wonderful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, tell us about the issues facing families in Latin America. Are they similar\u2014are the issues we are addressing on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> relevant in the culture in which you are ministering?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Yes, very much. I think that the problems that you address are global. We have in Ecuador, for example\u2014in the last ten years, marriages have grown about \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t17 percent; but divorce has grown in 93 percent\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Oh, wow!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh my!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u2014in Ecuador. That\u2019s what the official statistics say. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Fernando, the church, here in America, is attempting to address the breakdown of the family here in our country. I know you must be doing the same in yours. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe created a resource\u2014I\u2019m just wondering if you\u2019ve had a chance to see it and use it because it has been translated into your language\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014the Spanish language. It\u2019s called <em>The Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014a video series that can be shown in an event or in a small group setting with couples. Have you heard about that and used that in your church?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Not yet\u2014we are very much interested. In fact, let me tell you that our church is 60 years old; but the last three years, we have been shifting our priorities. Another vision\u2014start by saying, \u201cWe are here to disciple families.\u201d\u00a0 With that, we started doing a family congress once a year in the month of April. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve also created a network\u2014a coalition. Right now, we have seven specialized ministers on family. And one of them is Campus Crusade and FamilyLife, of course. This network has the goal of mobilizing and motivating the local churches to minister to the family, which is something that we didn\u2019t do in the past. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope to share materials\/videos. We are just encouraging local churches to get into this movement towards the family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Fernando, for a number of years, I have made the statement\u2014actually, for a number of decades\u2014I\u2019ve said, \u201cFamily is an international language.\u201d\u00a0 Families are families regardless of the culture. They have profound spiritual needs that, I think, were designed by God that only He can meet in the person of Jesus Christ and through the gospel of Christ. That\u2019s what we\u2019ve been attempting to do in more than 109 countries around the world\u2014yours included\u2014as well as back here in the States. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I am absolutely thrilled that your church has targeted discipling families because families are the generational connectors of the gospel and taking the reality of the Bible and the truth about God to future generations. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>I really praise the Lord for your ministry. We thank you for what you are doing because we have suffered\u2014what I consider now a <em>wrong<\/em> model for the church and discipleship. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me make very clear\u2014I have a deep gratitude for missionaries who brought the gospel here. I was saved thanks to missionaries from Scotland and United States\u2014that was 50 some years ago. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the church has developed a very individualistic model\u2014separating the family. The model of Christian education that I learned at the Bible seminary was: \u201cMake a department for children, another one for young people, women here, and the men over there.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe separated the family \/ we fragmented the family. I think that was very, very wrong. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s why, three years ago, we rediscovered biblical principles that have guided us to work \/ edify the church through families. We believe that healthy families will be a natural and powerful witness to the entire society. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And I\u2019m just curious about how God is at work in Central and in South America. Here, in the United States, we\u2019re seeing an increase in the number of people who no longer consider themselves affiliated with any religion. They say, \u201cWe\u2019re not interested in religion.\u201d\u00a0 We still see God at work, obviously; but it does feel like the church and its influence here is shrinking. What\u2019s it like where you are?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Of course, in Latin America, we always follow what happens in United States or Europe. So, some leaders on the universities\/government\u2014they think that we are progressing when we follow or imitate what you just mentioned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>And it\u2019s a sad thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>At the same time, you are seeing God at work in the lives of lots of people all around South America and into Latin America; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Yes, the church is growing; but let me make a difference\u2014there are some churches that represent the tendency of prosperity, preaching a very <em>light<\/em> gospel\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u2014of all blessings, all happiness, all material benefits. They don\u2019t preach about the cross. They don\u2019t preach about suffering. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey don\u2019t do much of social ministry for the poor, et cetera. Unfortunately, that model of church is also growing. There are more people in the church, but they do not really understand what it means to be the church of Jesus Christ. Christianity is becoming very superficial. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut we still have a strong movement of the evangelical Bible-based churches. The key of all this is the mobilization of all the believers who understand that their job is not done by pastors, or missionaries, or evangelists. We\u2019re trying to mobilize the believer, and that goes through the family and training disciples. We are especially strong on relational evangelism\u2014more than campaigns or one-man crusade; you know?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think you are going at it the right way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA grassroots spiritual awakening will occur when individuals, and couples, and families begin to proclaim Christ to their next door neighbors,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014to their people at work, to their friends at school. And there is nothing more powerful in your country or in ours than a marriage and a family\u2014even in their imperfections and in the ways that they don\u2019t match up\u2014of following Christ and making Him Lord of their home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>How do families in your part of the world\u2014how do they celebrate Christmas?\u00a0 And the reason we wanted to talk about that with you is that we started creating a set of ornaments to help families communicate the gospel. So, we wanted to find out a little bit about what you do because the ornaments are all about Jesus. They are the names of Jesus that are made into ornament shapes to be able to hang on a Christmas tree. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Well, of course, we have to struggle \/ we have to battle against the influence of commercial Christmas and all the businesses who are two months early\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014already presenting their special offers; you know?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u201cBuy now, pay in March.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, we, as a church\u2014we\u2019re always preaching, especially in November\u2014we start preaching against materialism \/ hedonism\u2014try to strengthen the good values. The spiritual meaning of Christmas\u2014we try to explain. We are not legalists. We\u2019re not preaching <em>against<\/em> certain traditions. We let the people choose how they want to\u2014but we always say: \u201cMake sure that you have the meaning of Christmas made clear. And if you can, leave aside all the secondary trivial things around Christmas.\u201d\u00a0 <br><br>But this year\u2014for example, we usually, as most churches, we had the tremendous effort\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014investing time, people, and money\u2014on making a big celebration for Christmas\u2014you know, using drama, and the concert, and this, and that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>This year, we changed everything. We\u2019re preparing a DVD\u2014a video production of 25 minutes. You see a little bit of music, a little bit of drama, and an evangelistic message. We are hoping to get at least 500 families involved to use this DVD to have home meetings \/ family meetings\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A Christmas party. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u2014a Christmas party\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u2014with relatives, neighbors, for adults \/ for children\u2014and just let them put the DVD on their television set and evangelize. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s great. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>I would say is, \u201cThe best way to honor Jesus at Christmas\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Fernando: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cis to let His purpose of for coming to this world\u2014to bring more people to the Kingdom.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I think if we lived in Quito, we\u2019d probably all come to your church. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>You\u2019re all welcome. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m going to get to your country someday. When I do, I\u2019m going to look you up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m going to knock on your door at 5:15\u2014[Laughter]\u2014at a quarter \u2018til 5\u2014and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and wake you up in person rather than having our broadcast wake you up there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Sure!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I want to say one thing just for a moment, Fernando\u2014back to folks, here in America, who financially give to make <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible here in the States. I want you to know\u2014especially you, Legacy Partners\u2014when you give, you make it possible for us to put our broadcast on in Quito, Ecuador. You are making <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> heard on the internet in dozens of countries around the world. And Bob, I just want to say, \u201cThanks,\u201d to folks for giving and standing with us in this ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, this is a part of how we try to be good stewards of the money that is invested, here at FamilyLife, because we believe that God wants every home to be a godly home. And that\u2019s our goal\u2014is to see families re-centered on God\u2019s Word\u2014first bowing their knee to Him, and then loving and serving one another, and then looking outward to the neighborhood and the culture and saying, \u201cThis is what God made us for and let\u2019s embrace it.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Let me add our gratitude to the donors of FamilyLife because that investment is making possible for you to develop materials, the radio program, and literature\u2014that, now, we are using in Latin America, reaching hundreds and thousands of families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It is leaders, like you on the frontlines, grabbing the tools \/ grabbing the resources that we create, and you\u2019re using them. I just applaud your leadership. Thanks a bunch. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Fernando: <\/strong>Thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThank you. It\u2019s so nice to get to know you. God bless you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And I hope, too, that we get a chance someday to come down to Ecuador because I\u2019d love, not only to see what\u2019s happening in the church there, but I\u2019d love to be able to tour the radio studio that is feeding <em>Vida en Familia Hoy<\/em> to countries throughout Central and Latin America. <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf the languages that are on the ornaments that you\u2019ve created, Barbara, the one we have the closest kinship to is Spanish. We know more Spanish speakers than any other language, and half of us took Spanish when we were in high school; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes; and we probably all know a few Spanish words, here and there, or we see them in print, or hear them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, like enchilada or burrito. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Taco. [Laughter] And we have more Spanish neighbors than we probably do the other languages as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, we have, undoubtedly\u2014well, I can\u2019t say more Spanish-speaking listeners\u2014but we are heard in more than two dozen countries that are Spanish-speaking. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tListen to these countries\u2014Argentina, Aruba, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico, Spain, Uruguay, and Venezuela. I mean, we\u2019ve got quite a listening audience. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m glad that there is a guy that we pay to do the Spanish-speaking Dennis in these countries. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Rather than you doing your Spanish?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I don\u2019t do Spanish very well. It is as\u00ed-as\u00ed\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014so-so. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s what I\u2019d encourage our listeners to do\u2014join us in the end-of-year match and make a generous donation. Keep us on the air, here in America, and in these Spanish-speaking countries. As you give your gift, also order a set of \u201cHis Name Among the Nations\u201d Adorenaments\u2014Barbara\u2019s creation of some of the most widely-spoken languages in the world\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014Adorenaments that will help your family get a vision for the world and talk freshly about John 3:16: \u201cFor God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but shall have everlasting life.\u201d\u00a0 What a great message, here at Christmastime, Bob. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And certainly, when you see these ornaments on your tree, you can go, \u201cThat\u2019s Arabic,\u201d\u2014gives you a prompt to pray for people who are in the Middle East \/ people who are Arabic speakers\u2014pray that they might come to know Christ at Christmas. When you see the Jesus name in Hebrew, you can pray for the peace of Jerusalem. When you see the Spanish name of Jesus or you see it in Mandarin, you can pray for the people groups that are represented there as a part of how you celebrate the Christmas holidays. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and see the ornaments that Barbara has created. All you have to do is click on the link for Ever Thine Home<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, the website, FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014you can also call to order a set of ornaments. Our toll-free number is 1-800-FL-TODAY\u20141-800-358-6329. Again, it\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 Or order, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then, don\u2019t forget what Dennis talked about earlier. We have a special matching-gift opportunity that\u2019s available for those of you who would like to support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, here at yearend. Your yearend contributions are important for us, as a ministry. In fact, when you make a donation today, that donation is going to be matched and effectively tripled. So, if you are able to make a $25 donation today, these friends of the ministry have said they\u2019ll match that with a $50 donation. Whatever you are able to do, they will triple the amount. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, would you consider going to FamilyLifeToday.com and making an online donation?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014make your donation over the phone. Or you can mail a donation to us at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; the zip code is 72223. And we hope to hear from you. Hope you can help support us, here at yearend. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you can be back with us tomorrow when we\u2019re going to talk about how God is at work in the 10\/40 Window. We\u2019ll look at how people in the Middle East are hearing the gospel, and I hope you can join us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. 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