{"id":303742,"date":"2015-11-17T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-11-17T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/engaging-with-children\/"},"modified":"2015-11-17T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2015-11-17T17:00:00","slug":"engaging-with-children","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/engaging-with-children\/","title":{"rendered":"Engaging With Children"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Kids need to know they&#8217;re loved, but they also need hope. 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When Sally Lloyd-Jones sits down to write a storybook for children, she has a little boy in mind that she\u2019s writing to. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> When I\u2019d be working on a Bible storybook, I\u2019d be thinking: \u201cWell, what would Harry\u2014how would I say it to him? He\u2019s not going to understand sin. I can\u2019t just say, \u2018sin.\u2019 He\u2019s not going to know anything about that.\u201d So, it forced me\u2014and it became a great training. I started to think of a real child\u2014talking\u2014just talking. My writing started to change\u2014where it became not sounding like writing. I love what Elmore Leonard said, \u201cIf it sounds like writing, I rewrite it.\u201d It shouldn\u2019t sound like writing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, November 17<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Sally Lloyd-Jones\u2019 Bible stories have been connecting with hundreds of thousands of kids all around the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll talk to her today about how she tells those stories. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition. I\u2019m just curious to see if our guest can sound anything like Eliza Doolittle. Do you know who that is? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, only because you told me earlier [Laughter] \u2014<em>My Fair Lady<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There you go. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m just\u2014can you do a cockney accent? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, you know, if I try, I\u2019m going to become Indian or something. That\u2019s what happens to me. [Laughter] So, I do. I start off Welsh, and then, I become Indian. Then, it\u2019s all a very politically-incorrect accent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What about Mary Poppins? Can you do a Mary Poppins? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s Julie Andrews. No, I can\u2019t possibly do Julie Andrews. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s the voice of Sally Lloyd-Jones who refuses to leave her nationality to do an imitation. [Laughter] Sally is a writer of inspirational books for children. Bob said it earlier, \u201cGrandparents just need to go ahead and get their\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cget the credit card out.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cget the credit card out.\u201d You\u2019re going to want what Sally has done here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you have not purchased <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em> for your grandkids or your children and the new devotional, <em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>, I\u2019m just guessing\u2014before we\u2019re done here today\u2014there are going to be parents, who are going to say, \u201cThat\u2019s going to be under the Christmas tree, this year, for my kid.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. And the \u201cForward\u201d is\u2014at least, to <em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>\u2014is by Tim Keller. So, that lets you know she\u2019s travelling with some good company. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Tall cotton. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She goes to his church. She lives in New York City. Let\u2019s talk about both of these books. I just want you to give our listeners just a real quick synopsis of what each of these is about. First of all\u2014<em>The Jesus Storybook Bible: Every Story Whispers His Name<\/em>\u2014this is a storybook, along with a DVD. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s really telling the great story underneath all the stories of the Bible because, when I grew up, I thought the Bible was about me and what I\u2019m supposed to be doing so God would love me. I thought it was a book of rules that you had to keep; and then, God would be pleased with you and love you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr else, it was a book of heroes you\u2019re supposed to copy. I thought: \u201cHow can God be pleased with me? He can\u2019t.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, this book came out of that because the Bible isn\u2019t a book of rules or a book of heroes. It is most of all a story. It\u2019s the story of how God loves His children and comes to rescue them. At the center of the story there is a baby; and every single story, in the Bible, whispers His name. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s a good description of <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. This other one\u2014<em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>\u2014share with our listeners what this is about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> This book was inspired by my niece who went from being a very vivacious little girl of about eight, at the time. She would kind of walk through her life, singing the soundtrack for her own life kind of thing. She went\u2014almost overnight\u2014she turned into someone who you could hardly hear speak. We, then, found out she\u2019d been bullied at school. I thought, \u201cI wish she had a book that told her what God says about her instead of what the bullies say.\u201d That\u2019s where this book came from. It\u2019s a book of hope for children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This book was written to really gain access to children\u2019s souls and to put them in touch with God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. I wanted them to know what God says about them and to raise their eyes to see these magnificent things He says. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Because you think kids don\u2019t have a correct view. You didn\u2019t have a correct view. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> No. I think kids look to us for everything, and that\u2019s the right thing; but I wonder: \u201cSometimes, in all the things we\u2019ve given kids, have we forgotten to give them hope?\u201d Well, you know, we have to instruct them \/ we have to teach them; but as adults, we need hope. Every morning, we need hope as we go into our days. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just started to look at that and think: \u201cI don\u2019t think my nieces are getting hope. They are getting a lot of \u2018You do this. You do that,\u2019\u2014a lot of morality,\u201d\u2014which has its place\u2014but unless you know, first of all, that you are loved and that God says these incredible things about you, it\u2019s going to be very hard to get the rules right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s what I was going to ask you is: \u201cWhy are you saying kids need hope?\u201d That wouldn\u2019t be something, if I listed the top needs of kids\u2014I think I\u2019d probably go with character, with wisdom rather than foolishness. You\u2019re starting with hope; why? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think because children are so easily discouraged. I can see it in my nieces and nephews. They can have this sense of that they are not getting it right. I knew I was a child like that\u2014I wasn\u2019t getting it right. So, to have a book that tells you: \u201cLook at what God says about you. He made the heavens, He made cheetahs, He made mountains; but what does He say is His masterpiece?\u2014you!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSee, when a child gets that message, something awakens in them. Then, out of that, comes everything else\u2014I think, heroism, courage, character\u2014but if they are beaten down with shame\u2014and I think there is a lot of shame out there and not that we\u2019re putting it there\u2014but I know, as a child, I thought I wasn\u2019t getting it right because I wasn\u2019t keeping God\u2019s rules and I wasn\u2019t as brave as Daniel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just had the sense that I wasn\u2019t doing it quite right and making God into a slightly, not-very-pleased Father. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Which one of these stories in here\u2014that you\u2019ve written in <em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>\u2014would you call these poems? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> That\u2019s interesting. They did feel a little bit like haiku because you had to make them so lean and short\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014and they have to land. So, in a way, they are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Each one is usually on one or two pages, and there is an illustration that goes with it. Go ahead and read the one that you\u2019ve selected there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Okay. So, this one is called \u201cHope.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we use the word, hope, we say things like, \u201cI hope we win.\u201d It\u2019s like wishing for something we\u2019re not sure will happen; but in the Bible, hope means being absolutely certain something will happen. <br><br>Jonathan Edwards, a preacher, said: \u201cThere are three things we can hope in if we belong to Jesus. One, God will turn even the bad things around for your good, in the end. Two, your good things can\u2019t ever be taken away from you. And three, the best things are yet to come.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt doesn\u2019t mean that everything in our story is happy today but that \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod is making the story end happily for the world and for His children. \u201cThe God of Hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in Him, so that you may overflow with hope.\u201d Romans 15:13 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m glad you\u2019ve anchored each of these stories with a Scripture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s important\u2014isn\u2019t it?\u2014because, otherwise, it\u2019s like, \u201cWell, where did you get that from?\u201d You have to have the authority behind it to say\u2014especially, when you are distilling it down so much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> When you go to visit your nieces and nephews, do they want Aunt Sally to read a story? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, they are a bit old now, you see? That\u2019s the trouble\u2014I\u2019m a bit slow. I get the inspiration\u2019 then, it takes me so long. They\u2019ve grown into other things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When was the point in your professional career\u2014you were working as an editor \/ you were writing these stories kind of on your own\u2014was there a point when you said, \u201cI think maybe mine are as good as or maybe better than what they are publishing here\u201d? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, there was one time when I was working on a verse\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it was for a book that was a flat book. As I said\u2014those kinds of books\u2014you don\u2019t often rely on the content. You rely on the fact that it flaps, or squeaks, or something. I was writing a poem; and I thought: \u201cWait a minute. This could be a poem. It doesn\u2019t need to have a flap or a squeak. It\u2019s good enough as a poem.\u201d I think that was a slight switch for me. It was all very gradual. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the first time I realized I could do it was when I sent a manuscript in\u2014terrified. The publisher, within five minutes, called me back and said, \u201cThis is wonderful.\u201d But he didn\u2019t say, \u201cThe story was wonderful.\u201d He said, \u201cHe loved my voice.\u201d For a writer, that was such a gift. It was like God\u2019s mercy to me and His grace because I was so sure that I wasn\u2019t good. That was the best thing anyone could say because, suddenly, the outside evidence wasn\u2019t matching what was happening in my head. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Have you ever felt like writing for children is kind of\u2014you know, that is what lesser writers do? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019ve come to see that\u2019s not true; but I know that that\u2019s a view that can be out there. I think a lot of times\u2014you know, I\u2019ve had people come up to me\u2014well-meaning\u2014holding one of my picture books, flipping through it backwards\u2014which is really unfortunate for a writer because it means it doesn\u2019t really matter which order the words come in; you know?\u2014flipping through it backwards, cheerfully announcing: \u201cYou know, I think I\u2019m going to do one. I mean, really, how hard can they be?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI tell that story because, first of all, how many of us would ever <em>dream<\/em> of going up to a surgeon and saying, \u201cAngioplasty\u2014I mean, <em>really<\/em>, how hard it can be? I\u2019m going to do one.\u201d [Laughter] But it tells you something\u2014not so much what it says about children\u2019s writers because that\u2019s not the important thing\u2014it tells you what they think about children. What it tells you is that they don\u2019t have a high enough view of children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tObviously, children are much clever than we give them credit for. They don\u2019t miss a single thing. Anyone who knows children should know that. We need to write <em>better<\/em> than we write for adults because the responsibility is much greater because you are dealing with young people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019ve been in America now for 25 years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Tell us what you observe about how Americans value children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think they value them greatly; but I would say also\u2014going back to the hope\u2014in wanting to provide for children, we can sometimes\u2014it seems to me\u2014overwhelm them. We give them so much\u2014like they are so programmed. At least, this is what I\u2019ve noticed with my friends and families that I\u2019m around. The children have rich lives, but I sometimes think maybe it\u2019s too much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe, it would be nice for them just to be able to run outside and play rather than be scheduled to do all these different things\u2014that are all great things\u2014that could be, maybe, too much\u2014and maybe, there isn\u2019t room for play, where imagination\u2014where you just go outside and play rather than be scheduled off to do this and then that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s kind of an interesting conclusion, coming from a young lady who was sent to boarding school at the age of eight. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause I would wonder if, at a boarding school, if there would be time set aside to just scoot you off to go play, much like parents would in the front yard. But at a boarding school, I don\u2019t know\u2014tell me if I\u2019m wrong there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> That\u2019s what we did do\u2014is run around in the grounds. Then, we would be all running and imagination. I think that\u2019s probably\u2014you\u2019re right\u2014that\u2019s where it\u2019s coming from because that, to me, is the richness of my childhood. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, they gave you plenty of time to be able to play and to imagine\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and to grow your gifts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. So, we had schedules; but that\u2019s not the main thing I remember. I remember <em>hours<\/em> of playing with my friends in the garden. That\u2019s the thing I remember. When I see children doing all these different things, I feel sorry for them because I think, as a grown-up, it makes me stressed. I feel anxious with their schedule. It\u2019s worse than mine, and mine is pretty bad. You know what I mean? I know what I\u2019m like. I suppose that\u2019s what I start thinking\u2014is I know what I get like when I have too much going on. It\u2019s crazy, and it feeds on itself. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI sometimes think there is so much pressure on parents to do it perfectly. I feel sad because there is no such thing. We can\u2019t do everything perfectly. Loving your child\u2014it might be simpler\u2014maybe, it\u2019s simpler. But it\u2019s jolly hard, I know, because of all the competition between parents\u2014it seems to me. You are all meaning to do the right thing and help your child; but sometimes, it just seems so overwhelming and burdensome. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What do you think are the most important things? We\u2019ve talked about hope. Are there things like hope that you would say\u2014if you were talking to a parent, \u201cMake sure that your child understands this\u2026\u201d Hope would be one of those things. What would some of the others be? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I always make a disclaimer of I don\u2019t presume to tell parents, or teachers, or anyone what they should be doing; but when I am with children, what I want to\u2014first of all do\u2014is have a sense of fun with them. You know, make them comfortable \/ be on their level and talk to them. They are people. They are just smaller. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd talking to them as someone\u2014like you would talk to a friend\u2014not sort of so that you are teaching them everything all the time\u2014but having a conversation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other thing I\u2019ve found helpful is asking, \u201cI wonder\u201d questions. You know, sometimes I\u2019ll be going around, speaking about <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. I tell this story on myself\u2014that it\u2019s very easy to read a story; then, at the end of the story, go, \u201cWell, what that really means is this\u2026.\u201d and then, you kill the story with some lesson that you\u2019ve made up. Instead of doing that\u2014just say\u2014like with the boy and his lunch\u2014it\u2019s so easy. The easiest thing to do\u2014and I\u2019ve done it\u2014is to say, \u201cNow, what does this story teach us about how we should behave?\u201d But that\u2019s not why this story is there. The story is there because Jesus did something incredible with what the little boy gave Him. <br><br>What I\u2019ve found more helpful is to say\u2014to wonder with a child\u2014so that you are on their level. You\u2019re not the teacher, telling them. There is a place for the teacher; but as a parent, to sit with a child and be: \u201cWell, I wonder what would happen if we gave God what we had? What would happen if you gave Him everything you had? What might He do with you?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJust open it up to the child so that the child\u2014their imagination takes it from there\u2014and God works from there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s one of the key things\u2014is to leave it open. That\u2019s one of the things I wanted to do in <em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>\u2014was to leave it in that wonder so that, then, it\u2019s between the Holy Spirit and the child what happens next. I don\u2019t think we need to know exactly what\u2019s happening. We just help them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> See, here\u2019s\u2014as you were saying that, I was thinking I would say: \u201cI wonder if Jesus had had only three loaves and one fish. Do you think some in the crowd would have gone hungry?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> See, that\u2019s a great question\u2014they\u2019d love that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It would cause them to stop and think: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cWhat if He had a whole can of fish?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cWhat if He had\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Right. And that\u2014engaging children and not putting yourself up as the teacher\u2014because then, the child is just going to think there is a right answer and a wrong answer. They are going to think they are at school. The crucial thing, I think, for time at home, is to get away from that school-thing and just be together, finding out how much God loves us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When you started to tackle <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>\u2014that\u2019s not a small project. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You had written some picture books for children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Again, I don\u2019t want to dismiss that as being something that\u2019s easy or simple to do; <em>but<\/em> now we\u2019re talking about a body of work that is pretty extensive. That had to be a little overwhelming, just to even consider. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, yes. You know, I would sit down, every morning. There would be all these\u2014you know\u2014Anna Mott [spelling uncertain] talks about dysfunctional relatives that pull out your chairs behind you whenever you sit down to write. Well, I had those, plus, the holy ones. I had people saying: \u201cThat\u2019s not funny. Why did you do that?\u201d People are going to think I\u2019m crazy now\u2014aren\u2019t they?\u2014with all the voices; but this is a writer, and writers are a bit crazy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you have all this resistance to when you are sitting down. For me, it would be voices like, \u201cYou can\u2019t say that. That\u2019s not funny,\u201d or \u201cOh, someone else will write this much better than you.\u201d But on top of that, I then had: \u201cWho do you think you are to write a Bible storybook? You didn\u2019t have a very good quiet time,\u201d and \u201cWhat makes you think that you know anything? Shouldn\u2019t someone like Frederick Buechner be doing this?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, all that sort of stuff. So, I\u2019d get so overwhelmed. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne time, I did actually have\u2014I was working on the story of Joseph. I thought, \u201cYou know, Frederick Buechner would write this much better than me.\u201d Then, I thought, \u201cOkay; well, this is rubbish.\u201d I got to the point where I so frustrated myself that I said to God: \u201cYou got me in the mess. So, You have got to do it. Unless You do it, it won\u2019t get done. So, You better do it.\u201d Then, I started writing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, when I get into that place, I\u2019m in the best place I can be because that\u2019s the truth\u2014unless God does it, it won\u2019t get done. He\u2019s given us the gifts, but I can have a headache and not be able to do anything. So, it\u2019s all His grace. I know that you have to work hard at your craft, but it\u2019s\u2014God gives you the idea\u2014but He\u2019s the One who provides the harvest. He\u2019s the author of the success of the book. I\u2019m very grateful that it was overwhelming because it put me in the right place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want you to read the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm that you\u2019ve written here, page 132. What do you call this? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I guess it\u2019s a paraphrase. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I was going to say, \u201cIs it the paraphrase according to Sally?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019ve written a little piece, at the beginning, called \u201cThe Good Shepherd.\u201d It\u2019s about David. You tell that story; and then, you set up the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Shall I read the paraphrase? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod is my Shepherd, and I am His little lamb. He feeds me. He guides me. He looks after me. I have everything I need. Inside, my heart is very quiet\u2014as quiet as lying still on soft, green grass in a meadow by a little stream. Even when I walk through the dark, scary, lonely places, I won\u2019t be afraid because my Shepherd knows where I am. He is here with me. He keeps me safe. He rescues me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe makes me strong and brave. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0He is getting wonderful things ready for me, especially for me\u2014everything I ever dreamed of. He fills my heart so full of happiness I can\u2019t hold it all inside. Wherever I go, I know God\u2019s never-stopping, never-giving-up, unbreaking, always-and-forever love will go too. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As you write, do you read these aloud so you can kind of pick up the cadence and picture yourself with a gathering of little children at your feet or in your lap? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s exactly\u2014I mean, I didn\u2019t used to\u2014I didn\u2019t know that that was what you have to do because you can make anything sound great in your own head; but yes, I do read it out loud. Then, the next stage I have is I get a friend to read it to me because\u2014even me reading it out loud, I can make it work because I know it\u2014but if you get someone who doesn\u2019t know it to read it, you\u2019ll hear where they stumble\u2014you\u2019ll hear where it doesn\u2019t sound quite right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think children\u2019s books, especially, are meant to be read aloud. That\u2019s what is so lovely about them. What\u2019s so lovely about doing a children\u2019s Bible storybook is that you\u2019ve got the Bible\u2014that was an oral tradition\u2014so, all of it should be read aloud. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Just assuming nothing for a moment. When should you read these stories aloud to children? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Whenever you can, but I love the idea of bedtime. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, because they\u2019ll say, \u201cRead another one.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, and that\u2019s what is so awful. I did all kinds of evil cliff hangings. No\u2014not evil, obviously, not evil [Laughter]\u2014but, you know, I felt slightly naughty because I knew\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Only slightly naughty though. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014yes\u2014only slightly naughty because I would think of the poor parents: \u201cThey are not going to be able to make them stop\u201d; but I do things like: \u201cFairytales don\u2019t come true, or do they?\u201d [Laughter] Then, you really want\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cRead another one.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cRead another one.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> So, you\u2014that\u2019s what I hope, and that\u2019s what happens. I keep hearing that. Parents are like, \u201cOh, dear, please go to bed!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you read children\u2019s books yourself? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, I love\u2014I collect them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And who\u2019s your favorite? Are you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, <em>Narnia<\/em>. I can\u2019t\u2014you know, when I was about ten\u2014before I knew I couldn\u2019t do everything\u2014I would choreograph, compose the soundtrack, star in it\u2014I did the whole thing! I was a nightmare. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Where you Susan or Lucy? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I\u2019m sure I was Lucy. [Laughter] It was fun. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And George MacDonald, I would imagine? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I actually didn\u2019t come to him until older\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Really? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014but I love him, yes\u2014<em>Narnia<\/em>, and Edward Lear, and then Bible stories. My dad always used to read Bible stories to us; but I dare not\u2014well, I\u2019m going to admit this. He always used to say, \u201cNow, darling, which story would you like?\u201d And you know, you hope for anything but this story\u2014and I would always ask for\u2014guess which one\u2014Salome and John the Baptist\u2019s head. [Laughter] Isn\u2019t that frightening?! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2014this was because you were in that haunted\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think so. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014girls\u2019 school. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> And of course, it is a great story; but my poor dad. I think he was getting a bit disturbed. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Is your father still alive now? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, he is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I have an assignment for you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014before we\u2019re done with the broadcast here today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I tell you what\u2014before you give her the assignment, let me just let our listeners know how they can get the books that Sally has written\u2014<em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>, which comes in a deluxe gift pack that\u2019s got a DVD and a read-along audio CD with it. You\u2019ll find that at FamilyLifeToday.com. She\u2019s also written a book called <em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>; and we\u2019ve got that in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center as well. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information on these resources by Sally Lloyd-Jones. Or call us, toll free, at 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, we want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d today to those of you who make the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible. We are a listener-supported ministry. We are joined in the mission of FamilyLife by those of you who believe that God\u2019s design for marriage and family is important\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014we need to be talking about it \/ we need to be equipping people to live it out. \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who are Legacy Partners and those of you who contribute, from time to time, to help cover the cost to producing and syndicating this daily radio program. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you can help with a donation right now, we have a book from Barbara Rainey that we\u2019d like to send to you. It\u2019s designed to be read aloud to the family. It includes stories all about gratitude. The book\u2019s called <em>Growing Together in Gratitude<\/em>. We\u2019ll send you a copy of that book, as a thank-you gift, when you support <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with a donation. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link in the upper right-hand corner of the screen that says, \u201cI care,\u201d to make an online donation. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014 make your donation over the phone. Or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlright, Dennis\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s been our treat to have Sally Lloyd-Jones with us. She is a children\u2019s writer; and we\u2019ve delighted in your accent, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Here is your assignment. You\u2019ve spoken so lovingly and descriptively about your daddy. I would like to seat your daddy across the table from you and ask you to give him a verbal tribute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And it needs to be in first-person. It needs to address him\u2014not me, seated here, Bob, or the audience. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Just pretend like we\u2019re gone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Pretend we\u2019re gone and give him a tribute. Can you do that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, I think so\u2014hopefully. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> What would you say? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDad, I owe everything to you. You have been a faithful father to me. You have provided for me. But the thing that I\u2019m most grateful for is that you, as a young man, gave your life to Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, as my dad, invited me to let Jesus become my Savior. Even though I said, \u201cNo,\u201d at first, you shared Jesus with me. That\u2019s been the greatest gift. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I thank you for being so proud and supportive, and for believing in me, and giving me education that was the best I could have had. And also, for letting me come to America because that was where God was calling me; but that was a cost to you. So, I\u2019m very grateful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><em> FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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Sally Lloyd-Jones tells how her book, \"Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing,\" invites children to see what God says about them, His true masterpieces.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2015-11-17.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Anytime you sit down to write anything\u2014whether it\u2019s an email or the great American novel\u2014you ought to have your audience in mind. When Sally Lloyd-Jones sits down to write a storybook for children, she has a little boy in mind that she\u2019s writing to. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> When I\u2019d be working on a Bible storybook, I\u2019d be thinking: \u201cWell, what would Harry\u2014how would I say it to him? He\u2019s not going to understand sin. I can\u2019t just say, \u2018sin.\u2019 He\u2019s not going to know anything about that.\u201d So, it forced me\u2014and it became a great training. I started to think of a real child\u2014talking\u2014just talking. My writing started to change\u2014where it became not sounding like writing. I love what Elmore Leonard said, \u201cIf it sounds like writing, I rewrite it.\u201d It shouldn\u2019t sound like writing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, November 17<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Sally Lloyd-Jones\u2019 Bible stories have been connecting with hundreds of thousands of kids all around the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll talk to her today about how she tells those stories. Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition. I\u2019m just curious to see if our guest can sound anything like Eliza Doolittle. Do you know who that is? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, only because you told me earlier [Laughter] \u2014<em>My Fair Lady<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There you go. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m just\u2014can you do a cockney accent? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, you know, if I try, I\u2019m going to become Indian or something. That\u2019s what happens to me. [Laughter] So, I do. I start off Welsh, and then, I become Indian. Then, it\u2019s all a very politically-incorrect accent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What about Mary Poppins? Can you do a Mary Poppins? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s Julie Andrews. No, I can\u2019t possibly do Julie Andrews. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s the voice of Sally Lloyd-Jones who refuses to leave her nationality to do an imitation. [Laughter] Sally is a writer of inspirational books for children. Bob said it earlier, \u201cGrandparents just need to go ahead and get their\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cget the credit card out.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cget the credit card out.\u201d You\u2019re going to want what Sally has done here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you have not purchased <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em> for your grandkids or your children and the new devotional, <em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>, I\u2019m just guessing\u2014before we\u2019re done here today\u2014there are going to be parents, who are going to say, \u201cThat\u2019s going to be under the Christmas tree, this year, for my kid.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. And the \u201cForward\u201d is\u2014at least, to <em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>\u2014is by Tim Keller. So, that lets you know she\u2019s travelling with some good company. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Tall cotton. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She goes to his church. She lives in New York City. Let\u2019s talk about both of these books. I just want you to give our listeners just a real quick synopsis of what each of these is about. First of all\u2014<em>The Jesus Storybook Bible: Every Story Whispers His Name<\/em>\u2014this is a storybook, along with a DVD. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s really telling the great story underneath all the stories of the Bible because, when I grew up, I thought the Bible was about me and what I\u2019m supposed to be doing so God would love me. I thought it was a book of rules that you had to keep; and then, God would be pleased with you and love you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr else, it was a book of heroes you\u2019re supposed to copy. I thought: \u201cHow can God be pleased with me? He can\u2019t.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, this book came out of that because the Bible isn\u2019t a book of rules or a book of heroes. It is most of all a story. It\u2019s the story of how God loves His children and comes to rescue them. At the center of the story there is a baby; and every single story, in the Bible, whispers His name. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s a good description of <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. This other one\u2014<em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>\u2014share with our listeners what this is about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> This book was inspired by my niece who went from being a very vivacious little girl of about eight, at the time. She would kind of walk through her life, singing the soundtrack for her own life kind of thing. She went\u2014almost overnight\u2014she turned into someone who you could hardly hear speak. We, then, found out she\u2019d been bullied at school. I thought, \u201cI wish she had a book that told her what God says about her instead of what the bullies say.\u201d That\u2019s where this book came from. It\u2019s a book of hope for children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This book was written to really gain access to children\u2019s souls and to put them in touch with God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. I wanted them to know what God says about them and to raise their eyes to see these magnificent things He says. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Because you think kids don\u2019t have a correct view. You didn\u2019t have a correct view. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> No. I think kids look to us for everything, and that\u2019s the right thing; but I wonder: \u201cSometimes, in all the things we\u2019ve given kids, have we forgotten to give them hope?\u201d Well, you know, we have to instruct them \/ we have to teach them; but as adults, we need hope. Every morning, we need hope as we go into our days. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just started to look at that and think: \u201cI don\u2019t think my nieces are getting hope. They are getting a lot of \u2018You do this. You do that,\u2019\u2014a lot of morality,\u201d\u2014which has its place\u2014but unless you know, first of all, that you are loved and that God says these incredible things about you, it\u2019s going to be very hard to get the rules right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s what I was going to ask you is: \u201cWhy are you saying kids need hope?\u201d That wouldn\u2019t be something, if I listed the top needs of kids\u2014I think I\u2019d probably go with character, with wisdom rather than foolishness. You\u2019re starting with hope; why? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think because children are so easily discouraged. I can see it in my nieces and nephews. They can have this sense of that they are not getting it right. I knew I was a child like that\u2014I wasn\u2019t getting it right. So, to have a book that tells you: \u201cLook at what God says about you. He made the heavens, He made cheetahs, He made mountains; but what does He say is His masterpiece?\u2014you!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSee, when a child gets that message, something awakens in them. Then, out of that, comes everything else\u2014I think, heroism, courage, character\u2014but if they are beaten down with shame\u2014and I think there is a lot of shame out there and not that we\u2019re putting it there\u2014but I know, as a child, I thought I wasn\u2019t getting it right because I wasn\u2019t keeping God\u2019s rules and I wasn\u2019t as brave as Daniel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just had the sense that I wasn\u2019t doing it quite right and making God into a slightly, not-very-pleased Father. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Which one of these stories in here\u2014that you\u2019ve written in <em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>\u2014would you call these poems? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> That\u2019s interesting. They did feel a little bit like haiku because you had to make them so lean and short\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014and they have to land. So, in a way, they are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Each one is usually on one or two pages, and there is an illustration that goes with it. Go ahead and read the one that you\u2019ve selected there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Okay. So, this one is called \u201cHope.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we use the word, hope, we say things like, \u201cI hope we win.\u201d It\u2019s like wishing for something we\u2019re not sure will happen; but in the Bible, hope means being absolutely certain something will happen. <br><br>Jonathan Edwards, a preacher, said: \u201cThere are three things we can hope in if we belong to Jesus. One, God will turn even the bad things around for your good, in the end. Two, your good things can\u2019t ever be taken away from you. And three, the best things are yet to come.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt doesn\u2019t mean that everything in our story is happy today but that \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod is making the story end happily for the world and for His children. \u201cThe God of Hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in Him, so that you may overflow with hope.\u201d Romans 15:13 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m glad you\u2019ve anchored each of these stories with a Scripture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s important\u2014isn\u2019t it?\u2014because, otherwise, it\u2019s like, \u201cWell, where did you get that from?\u201d You have to have the authority behind it to say\u2014especially, when you are distilling it down so much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> When you go to visit your nieces and nephews, do they want Aunt Sally to read a story? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, they are a bit old now, you see? That\u2019s the trouble\u2014I\u2019m a bit slow. I get the inspiration\u2019 then, it takes me so long. They\u2019ve grown into other things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When was the point in your professional career\u2014you were working as an editor \/ you were writing these stories kind of on your own\u2014was there a point when you said, \u201cI think maybe mine are as good as or maybe better than what they are publishing here\u201d? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, there was one time when I was working on a verse\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it was for a book that was a flat book. As I said\u2014those kinds of books\u2014you don\u2019t often rely on the content. You rely on the fact that it flaps, or squeaks, or something. I was writing a poem; and I thought: \u201cWait a minute. This could be a poem. It doesn\u2019t need to have a flap or a squeak. It\u2019s good enough as a poem.\u201d I think that was a slight switch for me. It was all very gradual. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the first time I realized I could do it was when I sent a manuscript in\u2014terrified. The publisher, within five minutes, called me back and said, \u201cThis is wonderful.\u201d But he didn\u2019t say, \u201cThe story was wonderful.\u201d He said, \u201cHe loved my voice.\u201d For a writer, that was such a gift. It was like God\u2019s mercy to me and His grace because I was so sure that I wasn\u2019t good. That was the best thing anyone could say because, suddenly, the outside evidence wasn\u2019t matching what was happening in my head. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Have you ever felt like writing for children is kind of\u2014you know, that is what lesser writers do? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019ve come to see that\u2019s not true; but I know that that\u2019s a view that can be out there. I think a lot of times\u2014you know, I\u2019ve had people come up to me\u2014well-meaning\u2014holding one of my picture books, flipping through it backwards\u2014which is really unfortunate for a writer because it means it doesn\u2019t really matter which order the words come in; you know?\u2014flipping through it backwards, cheerfully announcing: \u201cYou know, I think I\u2019m going to do one. I mean, really, how hard can they be?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI tell that story because, first of all, how many of us would ever <em>dream<\/em> of going up to a surgeon and saying, \u201cAngioplasty\u2014I mean, <em>really<\/em>, how hard it can be? I\u2019m going to do one.\u201d [Laughter] But it tells you something\u2014not so much what it says about children\u2019s writers because that\u2019s not the important thing\u2014it tells you what they think about children. What it tells you is that they don\u2019t have a high enough view of children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tObviously, children are much clever than we give them credit for. They don\u2019t miss a single thing. Anyone who knows children should know that. We need to write <em>better<\/em> than we write for adults because the responsibility is much greater because you are dealing with young people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019ve been in America now for 25 years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Tell us what you observe about how Americans value children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think they value them greatly; but I would say also\u2014going back to the hope\u2014in wanting to provide for children, we can sometimes\u2014it seems to me\u2014overwhelm them. We give them so much\u2014like they are so programmed. At least, this is what I\u2019ve noticed with my friends and families that I\u2019m around. The children have rich lives, but I sometimes think maybe it\u2019s too much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe, it would be nice for them just to be able to run outside and play rather than be scheduled to do all these different things\u2014that are all great things\u2014that could be, maybe, too much\u2014and maybe, there isn\u2019t room for play, where imagination\u2014where you just go outside and play rather than be scheduled off to do this and then that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s kind of an interesting conclusion, coming from a young lady who was sent to boarding school at the age of eight. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause I would wonder if, at a boarding school, if there would be time set aside to just scoot you off to go play, much like parents would in the front yard. But at a boarding school, I don\u2019t know\u2014tell me if I\u2019m wrong there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> That\u2019s what we did do\u2014is run around in the grounds. Then, we would be all running and imagination. I think that\u2019s probably\u2014you\u2019re right\u2014that\u2019s where it\u2019s coming from because that, to me, is the richness of my childhood. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, they gave you plenty of time to be able to play and to imagine\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and to grow your gifts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. So, we had schedules; but that\u2019s not the main thing I remember. I remember <em>hours<\/em> of playing with my friends in the garden. That\u2019s the thing I remember. When I see children doing all these different things, I feel sorry for them because I think, as a grown-up, it makes me stressed. I feel anxious with their schedule. It\u2019s worse than mine, and mine is pretty bad. You know what I mean? I know what I\u2019m like. I suppose that\u2019s what I start thinking\u2014is I know what I get like when I have too much going on. It\u2019s crazy, and it feeds on itself. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI sometimes think there is so much pressure on parents to do it perfectly. I feel sad because there is no such thing. We can\u2019t do everything perfectly. Loving your child\u2014it might be simpler\u2014maybe, it\u2019s simpler. But it\u2019s jolly hard, I know, because of all the competition between parents\u2014it seems to me. You are all meaning to do the right thing and help your child; but sometimes, it just seems so overwhelming and burdensome. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What do you think are the most important things? We\u2019ve talked about hope. Are there things like hope that you would say\u2014if you were talking to a parent, \u201cMake sure that your child understands this\u2026\u201d Hope would be one of those things. What would some of the others be? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I always make a disclaimer of I don\u2019t presume to tell parents, or teachers, or anyone what they should be doing; but when I am with children, what I want to\u2014first of all do\u2014is have a sense of fun with them. You know, make them comfortable \/ be on their level and talk to them. They are people. They are just smaller. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd talking to them as someone\u2014like you would talk to a friend\u2014not sort of so that you are teaching them everything all the time\u2014but having a conversation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other thing I\u2019ve found helpful is asking, \u201cI wonder\u201d questions. You know, sometimes I\u2019ll be going around, speaking about <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. I tell this story on myself\u2014that it\u2019s very easy to read a story; then, at the end of the story, go, \u201cWell, what that really means is this\u2026.\u201d and then, you kill the story with some lesson that you\u2019ve made up. Instead of doing that\u2014just say\u2014like with the boy and his lunch\u2014it\u2019s so easy. The easiest thing to do\u2014and I\u2019ve done it\u2014is to say, \u201cNow, what does this story teach us about how we should behave?\u201d But that\u2019s not why this story is there. The story is there because Jesus did something incredible with what the little boy gave Him. <br><br>What I\u2019ve found more helpful is to say\u2014to wonder with a child\u2014so that you are on their level. You\u2019re not the teacher, telling them. There is a place for the teacher; but as a parent, to sit with a child and be: \u201cWell, I wonder what would happen if we gave God what we had? What would happen if you gave Him everything you had? What might He do with you?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJust open it up to the child so that the child\u2014their imagination takes it from there\u2014and God works from there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s one of the key things\u2014is to leave it open. That\u2019s one of the things I wanted to do in <em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>\u2014was to leave it in that wonder so that, then, it\u2019s between the Holy Spirit and the child what happens next. I don\u2019t think we need to know exactly what\u2019s happening. We just help them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> See, here\u2019s\u2014as you were saying that, I was thinking I would say: \u201cI wonder if Jesus had had only three loaves and one fish. Do you think some in the crowd would have gone hungry?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> See, that\u2019s a great question\u2014they\u2019d love that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It would cause them to stop and think: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cWhat if He had a whole can of fish?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cWhat if He had\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Right. And that\u2014engaging children and not putting yourself up as the teacher\u2014because then, the child is just going to think there is a right answer and a wrong answer. They are going to think they are at school. The crucial thing, I think, for time at home, is to get away from that school-thing and just be together, finding out how much God loves us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When you started to tackle <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>\u2014that\u2019s not a small project. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You had written some picture books for children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Again, I don\u2019t want to dismiss that as being something that\u2019s easy or simple to do; <em>but<\/em> now we\u2019re talking about a body of work that is pretty extensive. That had to be a little overwhelming, just to even consider. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, yes. You know, I would sit down, every morning. There would be all these\u2014you know\u2014Anna Mott [spelling uncertain] talks about dysfunctional relatives that pull out your chairs behind you whenever you sit down to write. Well, I had those, plus, the holy ones. I had people saying: \u201cThat\u2019s not funny. Why did you do that?\u201d People are going to think I\u2019m crazy now\u2014aren\u2019t they?\u2014with all the voices; but this is a writer, and writers are a bit crazy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you have all this resistance to when you are sitting down. For me, it would be voices like, \u201cYou can\u2019t say that. That\u2019s not funny,\u201d or \u201cOh, someone else will write this much better than you.\u201d But on top of that, I then had: \u201cWho do you think you are to write a Bible storybook? You didn\u2019t have a very good quiet time,\u201d and \u201cWhat makes you think that you know anything? Shouldn\u2019t someone like Frederick Buechner be doing this?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, all that sort of stuff. So, I\u2019d get so overwhelmed. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne time, I did actually have\u2014I was working on the story of Joseph. I thought, \u201cYou know, Frederick Buechner would write this much better than me.\u201d Then, I thought, \u201cOkay; well, this is rubbish.\u201d I got to the point where I so frustrated myself that I said to God: \u201cYou got me in the mess. So, You have got to do it. Unless You do it, it won\u2019t get done. So, You better do it.\u201d Then, I started writing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, when I get into that place, I\u2019m in the best place I can be because that\u2019s the truth\u2014unless God does it, it won\u2019t get done. He\u2019s given us the gifts, but I can have a headache and not be able to do anything. So, it\u2019s all His grace. I know that you have to work hard at your craft, but it\u2019s\u2014God gives you the idea\u2014but He\u2019s the One who provides the harvest. He\u2019s the author of the success of the book. I\u2019m very grateful that it was overwhelming because it put me in the right place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want you to read the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm that you\u2019ve written here, page 132. What do you call this? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I guess it\u2019s a paraphrase. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I was going to say, \u201cIs it the paraphrase according to Sally?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019ve written a little piece, at the beginning, called \u201cThe Good Shepherd.\u201d It\u2019s about David. You tell that story; and then, you set up the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Shall I read the paraphrase? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod is my Shepherd, and I am His little lamb. He feeds me. He guides me. He looks after me. I have everything I need. Inside, my heart is very quiet\u2014as quiet as lying still on soft, green grass in a meadow by a little stream. Even when I walk through the dark, scary, lonely places, I won\u2019t be afraid because my Shepherd knows where I am. He is here with me. He keeps me safe. He rescues me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe makes me strong and brave. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0He is getting wonderful things ready for me, especially for me\u2014everything I ever dreamed of. He fills my heart so full of happiness I can\u2019t hold it all inside. Wherever I go, I know God\u2019s never-stopping, never-giving-up, unbreaking, always-and-forever love will go too. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As you write, do you read these aloud so you can kind of pick up the cadence and picture yourself with a gathering of little children at your feet or in your lap? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s exactly\u2014I mean, I didn\u2019t used to\u2014I didn\u2019t know that that was what you have to do because you can make anything sound great in your own head; but yes, I do read it out loud. Then, the next stage I have is I get a friend to read it to me because\u2014even me reading it out loud, I can make it work because I know it\u2014but if you get someone who doesn\u2019t know it to read it, you\u2019ll hear where they stumble\u2014you\u2019ll hear where it doesn\u2019t sound quite right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think children\u2019s books, especially, are meant to be read aloud. That\u2019s what is so lovely about them. What\u2019s so lovely about doing a children\u2019s Bible storybook is that you\u2019ve got the Bible\u2014that was an oral tradition\u2014so, all of it should be read aloud. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Just assuming nothing for a moment. When should you read these stories aloud to children? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Whenever you can, but I love the idea of bedtime. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, because they\u2019ll say, \u201cRead another one.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, and that\u2019s what is so awful. I did all kinds of evil cliff hangings. No\u2014not evil, obviously, not evil [Laughter]\u2014but, you know, I felt slightly naughty because I knew\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Only slightly naughty though. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014yes\u2014only slightly naughty because I would think of the poor parents: \u201cThey are not going to be able to make them stop\u201d; but I do things like: \u201cFairytales don\u2019t come true, or do they?\u201d [Laughter] Then, you really want\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cRead another one.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cRead another one.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> So, you\u2014that\u2019s what I hope, and that\u2019s what happens. I keep hearing that. Parents are like, \u201cOh, dear, please go to bed!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you read children\u2019s books yourself? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, I love\u2014I collect them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And who\u2019s your favorite? Are you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, <em>Narnia<\/em>. I can\u2019t\u2014you know, when I was about ten\u2014before I knew I couldn\u2019t do everything\u2014I would choreograph, compose the soundtrack, star in it\u2014I did the whole thing! I was a nightmare. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Where you Susan or Lucy? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I\u2019m sure I was Lucy. [Laughter] It was fun. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And George MacDonald, I would imagine? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I actually didn\u2019t come to him until older\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Really? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014but I love him, yes\u2014<em>Narnia<\/em>, and Edward Lear, and then Bible stories. My dad always used to read Bible stories to us; but I dare not\u2014well, I\u2019m going to admit this. He always used to say, \u201cNow, darling, which story would you like?\u201d And you know, you hope for anything but this story\u2014and I would always ask for\u2014guess which one\u2014Salome and John the Baptist\u2019s head. [Laughter] Isn\u2019t that frightening?! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2014this was because you were in that haunted\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I think so. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014girls\u2019 school. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> And of course, it is a great story; but my poor dad. I think he was getting a bit disturbed. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Is your father still alive now? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, he is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I have an assignment for you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014before we\u2019re done with the broadcast here today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally: <\/strong>Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I tell you what\u2014before you give her the assignment, let me just let our listeners know how they can get the books that Sally has written\u2014<em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>, which comes in a deluxe gift pack that\u2019s got a DVD and a read-along audio CD with it. You\u2019ll find that at FamilyLifeToday.com. She\u2019s also written a book called <em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>; and we\u2019ve got that in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center as well. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information on these resources by Sally Lloyd-Jones. Or call us, toll free, at 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, we want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d today to those of you who make the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible. We are a listener-supported ministry. We are joined in the mission of FamilyLife by those of you who believe that God\u2019s design for marriage and family is important\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014we need to be talking about it \/ we need to be equipping people to live it out. \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who are Legacy Partners and those of you who contribute, from time to time, to help cover the cost to producing and syndicating this daily radio program. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you can help with a donation right now, we have a book from Barbara Rainey that we\u2019d like to send to you. It\u2019s designed to be read aloud to the family. It includes stories all about gratitude. The book\u2019s called <em>Growing Together in Gratitude<\/em>. We\u2019ll send you a copy of that book, as a thank-you gift, when you support <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with a donation. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link in the upper right-hand corner of the screen that says, \u201cI care,\u201d to make an online donation. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014 make your donation over the phone. Or you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlright, Dennis\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s been our treat to have Sally Lloyd-Jones with us. She is a children\u2019s writer; and we\u2019ve delighted in your accent, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Here is your assignment. You\u2019ve spoken so lovingly and descriptively about your daddy. I would like to seat your daddy across the table from you and ask you to give him a verbal tribute.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And it needs to be in first-person. It needs to address him\u2014not me, seated here, Bob, or the audience. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Just pretend like we\u2019re gone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Pretend we\u2019re gone and give him a tribute. Can you do that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, I think so\u2014hopefully. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> What would you say? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDad, I owe everything to you. You have been a faithful father to me. You have provided for me. But the thing that I\u2019m most grateful for is that you, as a young man, gave your life to Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, as my dad, invited me to let Jesus become my Savior. Even though I said, \u201cNo,\u201d at first, you shared Jesus with me. That\u2019s been the greatest gift. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I thank you for being so proud and supportive, and for believing in me, and giving me education that was the best I could have had. And also, for letting me come to America because that was where God was calling me; but that was a cost to you. So, I\u2019m very grateful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><em> FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. Help for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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